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Finish Sand & Buff (De-nib) Negotiation Tool
Version 2.0 – August 2015 Copyright © 2015 Collision Advice LLC
All Rights Reserved.
AudaExplore – Color Sand & Buff, Nib Sanding / De-nib
CCC/Motor – Wet / Dry Sand Rub Out & Buff and De-nib & Polish
Mitchell – Finish Sand & Buff, De-nib & Finesse
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Table of Contents
Introduction ....................................................................................................................... 2
Definitions ......................................................................................................................... 4
AudaExplore Definition ................................................................................................ 4
CCC/Motor Definition ................................................................................................... 7
Mitchell Definition ........................................................................................................ 10
Four Negotiation Questions
1. Is “Finish Sand & Buff” required to put the vehicle back to
pre-accident condition? ......................................................................................... 14
Akzo Nobel ...................................................................................................... 15
Axalta Coating Systems ................................................................................... 17
BASF ............................................................................................................... 18
PPG ................................................................................................................. 19
Sherwin Williams.............................................................................................. 20
Toyota / Lexus / Scion...................................................................................... 21
2. Is “Finish Sand & Buff” included in any other labor operations? ............................. 24
AudaExplore .................................................................................................... 25
CCC/Motor ....................................................................................................... 27
Mitchell ............................................................................................................ 32
SCRS ............................................................................................................... 35
ASA ................................................................................................................. 36
3. If not, are there pre-determined times for “Finish Sand & Buff”? ............................ 39
AudaExplore .................................................................................................... 40
CCC/Motor ....................................................................................................... 42
Mitchell ............................................................................................................ 45
4. What is it worth? ..................................................................................................... 49
3M ................................................................................................................... 51
Additional Thoughts........................................................................................................... 54
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Introduction
In response to numerous requests from valued Collision Advice customers across the US,
we have created this tool to help explain, justify and substantiate time with factual
documentation. The collected information and documentation are intended to help clarify
whether or not specific repair processes are considered to be required repair operations and
if they are included or not-included within any other labor operation. Our objective is to help
our customers build a complete repair plan and to get paid for the work they do.
To do so,we utilize four negotiation questions and supporting documentation as described
below:
1. Is it required to put the vehicle back to pre-accident condition?
‒ OEM Position Statements
‒ ALLDATA®, TechAdvisor and Other Similar Systems
‒ Paint Manufacture Bulletins
‒ Material Manufacturer Bulletins (ex. 3M, Wurth, Kent)
‒ Equipment Manufacturers
‒ Internet (www.YouTube.com)
‒ Estimating Systems
‒ Scan Tools (Ex. ASTech)
‒ The Vehicle
2. Is it included in any other labor operations?
‒ Estimating Systems
‒ ASA Not-Included Charts
‒ www.Degweb.org
‒ www.Estimatescrubber.com
‒ SCRS Guide to Estimating
3. Is there a pre-determined time in the database?
‒ Estimating Systems
‒ www.Degweb.org
4. What is it worth?
‒ Do a Time Study
‒ Print an Invoice
‒ OEM Warranty Times
‒ Equipment Manufacture Times
‒ ALLDATA®, TechAdvisor and Other Similar Systems
‒ Internet
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Definitions
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Finish Sand & Buff - Definitions
AudaExplore Definition
Color Sand and Buff
This process, which may or may not be required, is defined as wet sanding the entire panel
by compound buffing and mechanical or hand polishing. Color sand and buff is further
defined as all of the above steps performed to the finished surface for any reason, plus
cleanup.
Color Sand and buff can be estimated at:
30% of AudaExplore single-stage refinish labor (not including final wash).
Source: ©2014 AudaExplore North America, Inc., V: DBRM0114 Page 1501
Nib Sanding / De-nib
Nib sanding (or de-nib) is defined as the removal of isolated dirt and dust particles, and
polishing the affected area(s).
AudaExplore’s formula for Color Sand and Buff does not apply to this operation. Additional steps or processes that may be required should be considered during estimate preparation.
Source: ©2014 AudaExplore North America, Inc., V: DBRM0114 Page 151
1 Any printed copy of this document may not contain the most current information. For the latest version,
please refer to the Database Reference Manual accessed through the Help Menu in the current release of AudaExplore Estimating, Pen Pro or Shoplink. The current version of the Database Reference Manual may also be found at www.training.AudaExplore.us.
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AudaExplore Definition
Source: ©2014 AudaExplore North America, Inc., V: DBRM0114 Page 150
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AudaExplore Definition
Source: ©2014 AudaExplore North America, Inc., V: DBRM0114 Page 151
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CCC/Motor Definition
De-nib & Polish
SPECIAL NOTATION:
Refinished panels may or may not require a varying amount of de-nibbing, a process
used to remove small particles in final finish surface. The clear coat contains
ultraviolet screeners and reducing the clear coat thickness (mils) may result in early
paint failure. Follow vehicle manufacturer’s recommendations when performing this
type of repair. Calculations should be based upon the base refinish time outer
surface only and should not include additions for clear coat, underside, inside or
edges. In the event that this type of operation will be performed, MOTOR suggests
the following formula be considered:
Each panel requiring de-nibbing (refinish or blend)
HOOD, ROOF, TRUNK LID, SPOILER
First panel add up to 20% of full base refinish time,
each additional panel add up to 10%
FENDER, DOOR, QUARTER PANEL, BUMPER COVER
First panel add up to 10% of full base refinish time,
each additional panel add up to 5%
INCLUDED: DOES NOT INCLUDE:
Panel outer surface only
Pain nib removal as required (spot only)
Spot polish only
Acid rain damage
Full panel polish
Overspray removal
Removal of residual material from recessed edges and jambs if required
Scratch damage
Wash, clean, wax or detail entire vehicle prior to delivery if required
Wet sand full panel
Source: CCC/Motor Guide to Estimating, Rev. 9-14, Page G39
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CCC/Motor Definition
Wet / Dry Sand, Rub-out & Buff
SPECIAL NOTATION:
Refinished panels may or may not require a varying amount of wet sanding,
compound rub-out or buffing operations in order to match original finish texture. The
clear coat contains ultraviolet screeners and reducing the clear coat thickness (mils)
may result in early paint failure. Follow vehicle manufacturer’s recommendations
when performing this type of repair. Calculations should be based upon the outer
surface only and should not include additions for clearcoat, underside, inside or
edges. Base refinish time does not include deduction for refinish overlap. In the
event that this type of operation will be performed, MOTOR suggests the following
formula be considered:
Refinished panels may or may not require a varying amount of wet sanding, compound rub-
out or buffing operations. In the event this type of operation will be performed, MOTOR
suggests the following formula be considered.
Each panel requiring wet sand, rub-out and/or buff (refinish or blend)
- Add 30% of full base refinish time
INCLUDED: DOES NOT INCLUDE:
Panel outer surface only
Wet sand full panel as required
Compound, buff and/or polish as required
Acid rain damage
Overspray removal
Removal of residual material from recessed edges and jambs if required
Wash, clean, wax or detail entire vehicle prior to delivery if required
Source: CCC/Motor Guide to Estimating, Rev. 9-14, Page G39
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CCC/Motor Definition
Source: CCC/Motor Guide to Estimating, Rev. 9-14, Page G39
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Mitchell Definition
Finish Sand & Buff
A labor time formula is provided should it be necessary to perform this operation. This
procedure includes the removal of orange peel and any blemishes that affect paint
texture in order to produce a smooth finish to the entire panel surface. This process is not
limited to “nib sanding” or “finessing” which is the removal of isolated dirt/dust particles only.
The performance of this operation is NOT INCLUDED in the Mitchell refinish labor time.
The finish sand and buff formula is intended to be calculated as a percentage of the base
refinish hours excluding overlap and clear coat. It DOES NOT APPLY to edges, jambs and
undersides. For blended panels, the formulas should be applied to the full panel refinish
time. No deduction for refinish overlap should be taken.
Finish sand and buff outside surface area(s): Allow .3 per refinish hour (30%) to finish
sand and buff each surface area(s).
Source: Portions Copyright 2012, Mitchell International, Inc. – Mitchell P-Pages, Rev. 10-09. Page 18
De-nib & Finesse
A labor time formula is provided should it be necessary to perform this operation. This
procedure includes the removal of small isolated dust particles (nibs) and the application of
a finishing glaze.
The performance of this operation is NOT INCLUDED in the Mitchell refinish labor time.
The de-nib and finesse formula is intended to be calculated as a percentage of the base
refinish hours excluding overlap and clear coat. It DOES NOT APPLY to edges, jambs and
undersides. For blended panels, the formulas should be applied to the full panel refinish
time. No deduction for refinish overlap should be taken.
De-nib and finesse outside surface area(s): Allow .2 per refinish hour (20%) to de-nib and
finesse each surface area(s).
Source: Portions Copyright 2012, Mitchell International, Inc. – Mitchell P-Pages, Rev. 10-09. Page 18
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Mitchell Definition
Source: Portions Copyright 2012, Mitchell International, Inc. – Mitchell P-Pages, Rev. 10-09. Page 18
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Justifying Each Line on the Repair Plan
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Question 1. Is it required?
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Four Negotiation Questions
1. Is “Finish Sand & Buff” required to return the vehicle back to pre-accident
condition?
Answer: Yes, Finish Sand & Buff is required to return the vehicle to pre-accident
condition.
Answer Documentation:
The previous definitions from the leading Information Providers state that Finish Sand & Buff
may or may not be required. Therefore, we must look at other documentation sources.
Based on information received from the paint manufacturers, they all either state,
recommend and/or agree that:
“It is not likely that a repair can be made that is completely free of surface defects.”
“Defects happen at the OEM level and will likely occur in a Collision Repair facility as well.”
“Some detail work (de-nib and polish / wet sand and buff) can be expected.”
“Polishing, sanding and or de-nibbing to remove dirt inclusions from refinished automotive panels” is necessary in order to match the texture appearance and overall durability of existing OEM paintwork.
“Polishing a paint finish to remove defects is a normal and necessary operation for both OEM manufacturers and collision repair shops.”
“Even with extreme care in cleanliness and preparation procedures, dirt and particulates can land in the clear coat film during the application and drying process.”
“Color Sand & Buff involves a thorough sanding and polishing of the entire surface to remove surface texture to better match the OEM finish and texture. This is a necessary practice that is widely used to meet customer quality expectations as well as to return the vehicle to pre-accident condition.”
The original source documents from the Paint Manufactures follows.
Toyota / Lexus / Scion states that:
“Customers have high expectations for automotive paint finish appearance and expect repairs to match factory color, gloss, and texture. Flawed refinish appearance is a cause of concern and will likely have a negative affect on customer satisfaction and retention.”
The original source document – Refinish Bulletin #173 from Toyota, Lexus
and Scion follows.
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Akzo Nobel
Source: Craighead, Alan. "Car Refinishes." Letter to Scott Simpson. 06 Feb. 2009. MS. United
States, n.p.
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Akzo Nobel
Source: Craighead, Alan. "De-Nib and Polish." Letter to Whom It May Concern. 06 June 2009. MS.
United States, n.p.
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Axalta Coating Systems
Source: Axalta Coating Systems, “Polishing of Refinish Topcoats” January 2015.
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BASF
Source: Skurka, Joseph. "Sand, De-nib, Polishing Guidelines." Letter to Aaron Schulenburg. 01 July
2009. MS. United States, n.p.
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PPG
Source: Basic Assumptions Refinishing. N.p.: PPG Training, June 2013. ASPX.
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Sherwin-Williams
Source: Draga, Bryan. "Best Demonstrated Practices for Color Sand & Buff, Tinting vs. Blending, and
Clearcoat Blending." Letter to ASA Estimating Committee. 13 Sept. 2013. MS. United States, n.p.
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Toyota
Source: Mushegian, Arcady R. T-CRIB-173-W. N.p.: Toyota Collision Repair Bulletins, Apr. 2009.
PDF.
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Negotiation Question # 1 – Summary
It has been established and proved thru the source documentation it is required to finish
sand and buff in order to return the vehicle to pre-accident condition.
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Question 2. Is it included?
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2. Is “Finish Sand & Buff” and “denib” included in any other labor operations?
Answer: Finish Sand & Buff and/or Denibbing are not included with any other labor
operation.
Answer Documentation:
According to the major Information Providers Finish Sand & Buff and Denibbing are
not included with any other labor operation.
AudaExplore – “Not Included - Color sand and buff (see page 149)
CCC/MOTOR – “Refinish times do not include time which may be required to match
color tints or defective finish textures on interior or exterior surfaces. Nor do they include time which may be required to correct finish imperfections caused by improper weather conditions, application, or environmental contamination such as dust, dirt, grease, etc. MOTOR advises all parties consider these factors beforehand to determine mutually acceptable provisions in the event such conditions exist or occur.”
CCC/MOTOR – “Refinish Time Premise – SPECIAL NOTATION: The items or
operations below were not considered during the development of any published basic refinish operation times. These operations may or may not be required depending upon the vehicle or process used. If any of these items or operations are required, they should be considered by the estimator and added to the estimate if necessary. REFINISH, WET/DRY SAND, DE-NIB and/or RUB-OUT TIME”
CCC/MOTOR – “Basic Color Coat Application DOES NOT INCLUDE - wet sanding”
CCC/MOTOR – “Color Blend (Adjacent Panels) DOES NOT INCLUDE
- wet sand and/or buff for polishing”
Mitchell – Not included operations, finish sand and buff
The original source documents from the leading Information Providers follow.
SCRS, ASA and other resources list the following as not included required labor
operations necessary to restore a damaged panel to new undamaged condition.
The original source documents from SCRS and ASA follow.
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AudaExplore
“Not Included - Color sand and buff
Source: © 2014 AudaExplore Database Reference Manual, V: DBRM0114 Page 168
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AudaExplore
Source: ©2014 AudaExplore North America, Inc., V: DBRM0114 Page 168
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CCC/Motor
“Refinish times do not include time which may be required to match color tints or defective
finish textures on interior or exterior surfaces. Nor do they include time which may be
required to correct finish imperfections caused by improper weather conditions, application,
or environmental contamination such as dust, dirt, grease, etc. MOTOR advises all parties
consider these factors beforehand to determine mutually acceptable provisions in the event
such conditions exist or occur.”
Source: CCC/Motor Guide to Estimating, Rev. 9-14, Page G34
“Refinish Time Premise – SPECIAL NOTATION: The items or operations below were not
considered during the development of any published basic refinish operation times. These
operations may or may not be required depending upon the vehicle or process used. If any
of these items or operations are required, they should be considered by the estimator and
added to the estimate if necessary. REFINISH, WET/DRY SAND, DE-NIB and/or RUB-OUT
TIME”
Source: CCC/Motor Guide to Estimating, Rev. 9-14, Page G35
“Basic Color Coat Application DOES NOT INCLUDE - wet sanding”
Source: CCC/Motor Guide to Estimating, Rev. 9-14, Page G36
“Color Blend (Adjacent Panels) DOES NOT INCLUDE - wet sand and/or buff for polishing”
Source: CCC/Motor Guide to Estimating, Rev. 9-14, Page G37
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CCC/MOTOR
Source: CCC/Motor Guide to Estimating, Rev. 9-14, Page G34
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CCC/MOTOR
Source: CCC/Motor Guide to Estimating, Rev. 9-14, Page G35
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CCC/MOTOR
Source: CCC/Motor Guide to Estimating, Rev. 9-14, Page G36
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CCC/MOTOR
Source: CCC/Motor Guide to Estimating, Rev. 9-14, Page G37
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Mitchell
Not included operations, finish sand and buff
Source: Portions Copyright 2012, Mitchell International, Inc. – Mitchell P-Pages, Rev. 10-09. Page 16
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Mitchell
Source: Portions Copyright 2012, Mitchell International, Inc. – Mitchell P-Pages, Rev. 10-09. Page 16
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Mitchell
Source: Portions Copyright 2012, Mitchell International, Inc. – Mitchell P-Pages, Rev. 10-09. Page 18
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SCRS
Source: SCRS Guide to Complete Repair Planning - Operations Reference Handbook, updated 04-
2011, page 15
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ASA
Source: ASA Reference Chart of “Not-Included” Operations When Installing New Replacement Parts,
Copyright 2015.
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Negotiation Question # 2 – Summary
It has been established and proved thru the source documentation that additional labor
operations is not included to finish sand and buff.
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Question 3. Is there a pre-determined time?
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3. Are there pre-determined times for “Finish Sand & Buff?”
Answer: Yes, there are pre-determined times for “Finish Sand & Buff.”
Answer Documentation:
The leading Information Providers include times for Finish Sand & Buff and Denibbing as
follows:
AudaExplore
Color Sand and Buff
This process, which may or may not be required, is defined as wet sanding the entire panel
by compound buffing and mechanical or hand polishing. Color sand and buff is further
defined as all of the above steps performed to the finished surface for any reason, plus
cleanup.
Color Sand and buff can be estimated at:
30% of AudaExplore single-stage refinish labor (not including final wash).
Source: ©2014 AudaExplore North America, Inc., V: DBRM0114 Page 1502
Nib Sanding / De-nib
Nib sanding (or de-nib) is defined as the removal of isolated dirt and dust particles, and
polishing the affected area(s).
AudaExplore’s formula for Color Sand and Buff does not apply to this operation. Additional steps or processes that may be required should be considered during estimate preparation.
Source: ©2014 AudaExplore North America, Inc., V: DBRM0114 Page 151
2 Any printed copy of this document may not contain the most current information. For the latest version,
please refer to the Database Reference Manual accessed through the Help Menu in the current release of AudaExplore Estimating, Pen Pro or Shoplink. The current version of the Database Reference Manual may also be found at www.training.AudaExplore.us.
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AudaExplore
Source: ©2014 AudaExplore North America, Inc., V: DBRM0114 Page 150
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CCC/Motor
De-nib & Polish
SPECIAL NOTATION:
Refinished panels may or may not require a varying amount of de-nibbing, a process
used to remove small particles in final finish surface. The clear coat contains
ultraviolet screeners and reducing the clear coat thickness (mils) may result in early
paint failure. Follow vehicle manufacturer’s recommendations when performing this
type of repair. Calculations should be based upon the base refinish time outer
surface only and should not include additions for clear coat, underside, inside or
edges. In the event that this type of operation will be performed, MOTOR suggests
the following formula be considered:
Each panel requiring de-nibbing (refinish or blend)
HOOD, ROOF, TRUNK LID, SPOILER
First panel add up to 20% of full base refinish time,
each additional panel add up to 10%
FENDER, DOOR, QUARTER PANEL, BUMPER COVER
First panel add up to 10% of full base refinish time,
each additional panel add up to 5%
INCLUDED: DOES NOT INCLUDE:
Panel outer surface only
Pain nib removal as required (spot only)
Spot polish only
Acid rain damage
Full panel polish
Overspray removal
Removal of residual material from recessed edges and jambs if required
Scratch damage
Wash, clean, wax or detail entire vehicle prior to delivery if required
Wet sand full panel
Source: CCC/Motor Guide to Estimating, Rev. 9-14, Page G39
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CCC/Motor
Wet / Dry Sand, Rub-out & Buff
SPECIAL NOTATION:
Refinished panels may or may not require a varying amount of wet sanding,
compound rub-out or buffing operations in order to match original finish texture. The
clear coat contains ultraviolet screeners and reducing the clear coat thickness (mils)
may result in early paint failure. Follow vehicle manufacturer’s recommendations
when performing this type of repair. Calculations should be based upon the outer
surface only and should not include additions for clearcoat, underside, inside or
edges. Base refinish time does not include deduction for refinish overlap. In the
event that this type of operation will be performed, MOTOR suggests the following
formula be considered:
Refinished panels may or may not require a varying amount of wet sanding, compound rub-
out or buffing operations. In the event this type of operation will be performed, MOTOR
suggests the following formula be considered.
Each panel requiring wet sand, rub-out and/or buff (refinish or blend)
- Add 30% of full base refinish time
INCLUDED: DOES NOT INCLUDE:
Panel outer surface only
Wet sand full panel as required
Compound, buff and/or polish as required
Acid rain damage
Overspray removal
Removal of residual material from recessed edges and jambs if required
Wash, clean, wax or detail entire vehicle prior to delivery if required
Source: CCC/Motor Guide to Estimating, Rev. 9-14, Page G39
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CCC/MOTOR
Source: CCC/Motor Guide to Estimating, Rev. 9-14, Page G39
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Mitchell
Finish Sand & Buff
A labor time formula is provided should it be necessary to perform this operation. This
procedure includes the removal of orange peel and any blemishes that affect paint
texture in order to produce a smooth finish to the entire panel surface. This process is not
limited to “nib sanding” or “finessing” which is the removal of isolated dirt/dust particles only.
The performance of this operation is NOT INCLUDED in the Mitchell refinish labor time.
The finish sand and buff formula is intended to be calculated as a percentage of the base
refinish hours excluding overlap and clear coat. It DOES NOT APPLY to edges, jambs and
undersides. For blended panels, the formulas should be applied to the full panel refinish
time. No deduction for refinish overlap should be taken.
Finish sand and buff outside surface area(s): Allow .3 per refinish hour (30%) to finish
sand and buff each surface area(s).
Source: Portions Copyright 2012, Mitchell International, Inc. – Mitchell P-Pages, Rev. 10-09. Page 18
De-nib & Finesse
A labor time formula is provided should it be necessary to perform this operation. This
procedure includes the removal of small isolated dust particles (nibs) and the application of
a finishing glaze.
The performance of this operation is NOT INCLUDED in the Mitchell refinish labor time.
The de-nib and finesse formula is intended to be calculated as a percentage of the base
refinish hours excluding overlap and clear coat. It DOES NOT APPLY to edges, jambs and
undersides. For blended panels, the formulas should be applied to the full panel refinish
time. No deduction for refinish overlap should be taken.
De-nib and finesse outside surface area(s): Allow .2 per refinish hour (20%) to de-nib and
finesse each surface area(s).
Source: Portions Copyright 2012, Mitchell International, Inc. – Mitchell P-Pages, Rev. 10-09. Page 18
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Source: Portions Copyright 2012, Mitchell International, Inc. – Mitchell P-Pages, Rev. 10-09. Page 18
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Negotiation Question # 3 – Summary
Pre-determined times for finish sand and buff has been clearly identified by the Information
Providers.
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Question 4. What is it worth?
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4. What is it worth?
Answer: The Information Providers all provide formulas to calculate what it is worth.
Answer Documentation:
AudaExplore CCC/MOTOR Mitchell
Finish, Sand and Buff
Color Sand & buff Wet/dry Sand, Rub out & Buff
Finish Sand & Buff
Formula 30% of AudaExplore single-stage refinish labor (not including final wash)
For each panel, add 30% of full base refinish time
Allows.3 per refinish hour (30%) to finish sand and buff each surface area
Included Panel outer surface only
Wet sand full panel as required
Compound, buff and/or polish as required
Not Included Acid rain damage
Overspray removal
Removal of residual material from recessed edges and jambs if required
Wash, clean, wax or detail entire vehicle prior to delivery if required
Does not apply to edges, jambs and undersides.
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AudaExplore CCC/MOTOR Mitchell
Denib Nib Sanding / Denib
Denib & Polish Denib & Finesse
Formula No formula HOOD, ROOF, TRUNK LID, SPOILER
First panel add up to 20% of full base refinish time, each additional panel add up to 10%
FENDER, DOOR, QUARTER PANEL, BUMPER COVER
First panel add up to 10% of full base refinish time, each additional panel add up to 5%
Denib and finesse outside surface area(s): Allow .2 per refinish hour (20%) to de-nib and finesse each surface area
Included Panel outer surface only
Pain nib removal as required (spot only)
Spot polish only
Not Included Acid rain damage
Full panel polish
Overspray removal
Removal of residual material from recessed edges and jambs if required
Scratch damage
Wash, clean, wax or detail entire vehicle prior to delivery if required
Wet sand full panel
Does not apply to edges, jambs and undersides.
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3M Paint Finish Small Area Process – Paint Department Procedures
Source: AAD_2014_SOP_Paint_Finish_Small_Area_Process.pdf. St Paul: 3M Automotive
Aftermarket Division, 2014. PDF.
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3M Paint Finish Denibbing Process
Source: AAD_2014_SOP_Paint_Finish_Denibbing_Process.pdf. St Paul: 3M Automotive Aftermarket
Division, 2014. PDF.
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Additional Thoughts
Version 2.0 – August 2015 Copyright © 2015 Collision Advice LLC
All Rights Reserved.
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Additional Thoughts
Sanding and polishing may be required for a variety of reasons to include, but not limited to:
‒ Intrusion removal (i.e. dirt nibs)
‒ Sand and polish due to clear coat puddles or build-up in chips
‒ Swelling caused by acid rain or industrial fallout
‒ Match OE texture (i.e. too orange peel)
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