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External Opportunities & Getting the Jobs Most MBAs Miss Donald Asher Asher Associates (415) 543-7130 [email protected]

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External Opportunities & Getting the Jobs Most MBAs Miss

Donald Asher

Asher Associates(415) 543-7130

[email protected]

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The Only Three Things You Need to Know

You get jobs by talking to peopleYou need 100 leads at all timesLook for work in channels

Watch for the pink bathrobe story

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The Three Pillars of ‘B’ School

AcademicsConnectionsJob Search

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Why to Network While a Student

You’re supposed to; it’s part of the educational process! It’s part of why you are in school!

Everybody loves a student The economy could get worse, especially this

year and next Career exploration now creates job leads later

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This Is Easier than You Think…

You can call or email anybody and ask, “May I know the name of your MBA recruiter?” Undergrads would ask, “May I know the name of the person who hires new college graduates?”

Then, you email that person and ask,“How can I best get consideration by

your company? What are you most looking for?”

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Respect Hiring Cycles!

1. How can I submit my resume, and when will you review them?

2. When do you expect to begin interviewing?

3. When do you expect initial offers might go out?

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Stages of Job Search

1. Identify job targets (industry, function, title)

2. Identify raw leads (companies, people, ideas)

3. Identify names of specific people

4. Turn a name into an appointment

5. Sell in the interview

6. Stay alive through the selection process

7. Close the deal

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The Four Dynamic Tensions…

JobSalaryLocationEffortIf one is really important, you have to be flexible on the others…

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Where’s Your Next Job?

On campus interview cycle Self-directed search Your old employer

Don’t blink, because

There is NO other source

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Everybody Needs a Back Channel

Top-half complacency It’s practice for the future Maximize benefit of your contacts The best students gain benefits from multiple

offers Nobody wants to come out without an offer

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International?Directory of Foreign Firms

Operating in the United StatesDirectory of American Firms

Operating in Foreign Countries (3 vol. set)

www.goinglobal.com

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Who Hires Internationals?

Anyone who wants one bad enough, especially for OPT, also

www.foreignmba.com H1Base.com bilingual-jobs.com H1visajobs.comAnd the U.S. DOL: http://ows.doleta.gov/foreign/about.asp http://www.flcdatacenter.com/casesearch.asp

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The Guru

Mark B. Rhoads

Attorney at Law

Immigration Practice Group

McCandlish Holton

1111 East Main Street, Suite 1500

Post Office Box 796

Richmond, Virginia 23218-0796

804-775-3824

[email protected]

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Internationals – How to Get Started

Same as everyone else: Alumni, Family, Friends, Faculty (more on this soon)

Call all your old countrymen and women who have ever lived in U.S.

Go to all the receptions and info sessions, even undergrad

Register on social networking spaces Find alumni from your home country

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Why Multiple Channels

At most MBA programs, about half do not find internship through on-campus interviewing

Don’t fail to work multiple channels:– On campus– Self-developed external opportunities– Career fairs– Etc.

Top salary offer (by design) – bottom offer (by default)

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Identifying a job target

Interest alone may not be enough, but… Friends can open doors that skills and

experience cannot Remember:

Recruiters are not paid to be creative

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The Diamond of Success(But You Don’t Need to Go Obvious Until March)

C om p etito rs

C u s tom ers &C lien ts

Y ou r R ecen t E m p loyer& A ll A ffilia tes

V en tu re P artn ers &C on su ltan ts

S u p p lie rs & V en d ors

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Want something new?

On campus interview cycle– Recruiters may accept raw skills and genuine interest– One of the only ways to get easy access to recruiters– Good practice anyway

Aggressive informational interviewing and self-directed search

– You find the right people and you get them to talk to you

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Three to Five Goals

“Something to do with green business or exporting”

vs. “Broker for industrial-level recycling of post-

consumer electronics, as in container loads or larger, and global trade in such materials”

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Undecided?

You cannot afford to leave this room without a direction…

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Building Target Statements

IndustryFunctionTitle

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Building Target Statements

Industry– Insurance– Commercial real estate– Electronic components manufacturing– Global commodities trading– Plastics extrusion

Industry is hardest to change, so do it first.

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Building Target Statements

Function– Operations management – Logistics– Finance – IT & systems– E-Commerce leadership– Sales, marketing, business development

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Building Target Statements

Title– CFO– CIO– VP Business Development– Pick a next job, rather than ultimate goal

Titles reveal you as an industry insider– Assistant Editor vs. Editorial Assistant

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Building Target Statements

Industry Function Title Values Location Commute Dress Hours

Travel Autonomy Tele-work & flex-time Supervise New / Old / Large / Small Compensation Risk Opportunity / career path

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Alignment Your goal must match your plan, your skillset,

your experiences, your personality, and the real world

The movie industry is in L.A. Broadway is in New York There are no part-time jobs for beginning

investment bankers And you can’t become a ballet dancer now…

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Your Targets for This Year

for first years --Dream InternshipBackup Plan

you need 100+ iterations, which means you will be doing research

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Where jobs come from

See the very sophisticated MBA diagramThe Stacey Factor2/3 are contingent (temporary, part-time,

or contract)You have to get ahead of the cycle

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A Profound Difference

The Overt Job Market– Posted openings anywhere– Job seeker is not “first mover”

The Hidden Job Market– Jobs that are not yet posted anywhere– Job seeker is “first mover”

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How Big Is The Hidden Job Market?

About half the people who are hired did not respond to a posted opening

So, about half the job market is the hidden job market

And only about 1/3 of jobs are posted online!

See “Sources of Hire”

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Sources of External HireRank Source %

1 Employee Referrals* 25.6

2 Company Web Site? 20.7

3 Job Boards 12.3

4 Agency / HH / Temp-to-Hire* 7.1

5 Print / Media 6.9

6 Direct Sourcing (Internal Recruiting)* 6.4

7 Re-hires* 5.2

8 College Recruiting 3.8

9 Career Fairs? 2.7

10 Search Engine Ads 2.0

11 Walk Ins* 0.5

12 Other / Don’t Know 7.0

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Why Is the HJM Preferred?

Biggest reason:

Less competition

The Stacey Factor

Where Jobs Come From

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6 Sources of Job Leads

Networking Research Job Fairs Internet

Active Passive

Headhunters Newspapers

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Networking

It’s about information, not power Types

– Hiring authorities– Direct referral sources– Centers of influence– Uncle Bob and Aunt Claudene

Don’t forget receptions and job fairs, one of the only places on the planet to meet a lot of recruiters easily

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Research

Business library experts Industry directories & association lists Hoovers or zapdata or D&B (10+ million)

Chamber of Commerce State Department of Commerce Drive by Int’l students: see int’l student rep

You don’t have to do this on your own. Get some help!

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Internet

Active works the same as research– Find companies in your area of interest– Research companies before any interview

Passive works in limited cases (more below)

– Post and hopeUse the career center lists!

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The Problem w/ Job BB

Intensive competition, 250-to-1 is typical You have to be perfect Monster, CareerJournal.com and others like it Always running behind the cycle Secret: Trade press and specialty publications

still a great source

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Headhunters

Find people for jobs, not jobs for people 1000+ is generally considered minimum effort Go to kennedyinfo.com or look at the Directory

of Executive Recruiters, aka “The Red Book” How to field and/or deflect a HH call Do NOT expect a recruiter to babysit you, give

you friendly advice, or help you find any job except one she has an open requisition for

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Leave no stone unturned!

I.D. 50+ companies that are “right on,” and 100-200 “2nd Tier” companies, minimum!

On-campus interviews and search training Receptions and job fairs (Travel! It’s worth it!)

Alumni networking Post on all MBA web sites Plan holiday interviewing junkets Remember Uncle Bob & Aunt Claudene

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Overheads on Breaking Down the Door

See your handouts…

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Interview Rules

You will call and confirm the day before You will research the company before the

meeting You will arrive exactly 4 minutes early You will know the plan for the day You will look your best

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Questions they’ll ask you

The Classics– Tell me about yourself…– Strengths, weaknesses, preferences– What would your former boss say about you?

Behavioral Interviewing Questions– Tell me about a time when….– What would you do if…?

Case Questions

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Classic interviewing questions

Tell me about yourself….

Tell a short business story that leads to the inevitable conclusion that you are just now perfectly prepared to contribute to this company

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Behavioral interviewing questions

Answer the question! Provide a specific example Tell a short business story, hopefully one

where you are the hero Go from the specific to the general, that is,

show that you understand the big picture after you answer specifically

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Case Interview Questions

Mental gymnastics: How many golf balls in a 747

Case questions: people, product, financials, may be verbal or written– How would you improve net revenues?– How would you design a succession plan for the

founder?

See career center for practice and samples

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Follow up questions

Does that answer your question? Is that what you had in mind?How do you do it at your company?What approach does your company

favor?What are your plans relative to this?

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Questions to ask them

What are your hiring criteria? Which skills and abilities are critical for success?

How many interviews do you plan? When will you be able to extend an offer?

What would you like to see accomplished in the first few months on the job?

What resources will be available to me to accomplish my objectives?

How will success be measured?

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Salary Negotiations

Interns are not to negotiate hard for salary Deflect the issue if it comes up

– “Salary is not my first concern. I’m really more interested in the opportunity, especially for the internship.”

– “As long as the summer comp is fair and competitive, I’ll be happy.”

Questions? See the career center

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Staying alive

Send a prompt thank you letter by mail! Hit their radar screen every week or two What to do if you’re seventh choice…

7th Choice?

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Who Needs Aggressive Techniques

Entrants– New graduates– Dropouts– ADA-empowered entrants

Re-Entrants– MBA interns and graduates– returning parents and caretakers– returning prisoners (who knew you had so much in common?)– the idle rich

Career changers– especially career changers

In a downturn: Everybody

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It’s YOUR Responsibility

This is part of your MBA education, but it’s all your responsibility to follow through

If you don’t have timely success, you must follow through with the career center; they’re there to help you

You get jobs by talking to people You need 100+ leads at all times Look for work in channels