1

Experience from policy makers/data users on

the impact of changes in labour indicators on

policy formulation and monitoring

Nguyễn Thị Việt Nga

General Statistics Office

Vietnam

Content

1. Introduction

2. Some findings

3. Conclusion & moving forward

I. INTRODUCTIONS

2. 19th International Conference of Labour

Statisticians (19th ICLS )

19th ICLS -October 2013

• Agreed new standards to replace existing

standards regarding employment and

unemployment which have been used since

1982

• New standards developed after wide

international consultation between 2008 and

2013

2.19th ICLS

– New definition of employment (19th ICLS) –focus on work for pay or profit

• Previous definition (13th ICLS) included some unpaid forms of work but was applied inconsistently across countries

• In theory expect to see lower employment estimates but impact can be limited in many countries

– Unemployment definition unchanged

• Actually, once employment estimate is lower –unemployment estimate might be higher

1. Background

ILO pilot study project: Vietnam was one to be selected in 10 pilot countries

The 1st pilot in 2 provinces in Labor Force Survey in 2015-2016

The GSO continued to conduct a pilot survey on the application of ICLS 19 in the national level by 2017

The purpose of the pilot survey is to compare and estimate differences in data on indicators when applying the 19 ICLS standard against the ICLS 13; This will serve as a basis for analyzing, evaluating and recommending users of information when ICLS 19 is widely applied globally.

II. SOME KEY FINDINGS

1. Labour force distribution

51.9 52.1

51.7 51.2

52.0 52.6

48.147.9

48.3 48.8

48.0 47.4

ICLS 13 ILCL 19 ICLS 13 ILCL 19 ICLS 13 ILCL 19

Toàn quốc Thành thị Nông thôn

54 823.4

51 998.6

17 647.3

17 405.1

37 176.5

34 593.5

Labor force distribution by sex for ICLS 13 and ICLS

19

Whole country Urban Rural

Labor force by age groups

15-19 20-24 25-29 30-34 35-39 40-44 45-49 50-54 55-59 60-64 65+

ICLS 13 4.3 9.5 11.3 12.4 12.2 12.2 11.4 10.4 7.6 4.6 4.0

ICLS 19 4.1 8.9 11.7 12.6 12.2 11.9 11.7 10.6 8.1 4.6 3.5

ICLS 13 ICLS 19

Rate of trained labor in urban / rural areas,

ICLS 13 and ICLS 19

21.4

37.8

13.9

22.9

38.2

15.2

0.0

5.0

10.0

15.0

20.0

25.0

30.0

35.0

40.0

Toàn quốc Thành thị Nông thôn

ICLS 13

ICLS 19

Whole country Urban Rural

The structure of employed labors according to job status

Whole nation

Urban

Rural

Male

Female

Skill labors

Unskill labors

Labor structure by working time and average

working hours in reference week

22.8

20.8

23.7

20.5

25.2

41.1

45.7

38.8

40.3

42

36.1

33.5

37.5

39.2

32.8

0 20 40 60 80 100 120

Whole nation

Urban

Rural

Male

Female

under 35 hours 35-48 hours more than 48 hours

Average income of wage workers by urban-rural, sex,

skill or un skill workers

6277

4898

5740

5101

6842

4646

0

1000

2000

3000

4000

5000

6000

7000

8000

Urban Rural Make Female Skill labors Unskill labor

By urban- Rural By sex By skill or unskill labors

The percentage of people aged 15 and over is

engaged in producing products for themselves and

their families uses

25.3

8.8

34.5

22.6

27.926.6

8.9

35.5

23

30.5

39.2

14.1

52.5

36.9

41.3

21

8.2

30

19.921.6

0

10

20

30

40

50

60

Total Urban Rural Male Female Total Urban Rural Male Female Total Urban Rural Male Female Total Urban Rural Male Female

Total Employment Unemployment No economic activity

The percentage of people aged 15 and over is engaged in

producing products for their own uses in households (%)

25.3

8.8

34.5

22.6

27.9

26.6

8.9

35.5

23

30.5

39.2

14.1

52.5

36.9

41.3

21

8.2

30

19.9

21.6

0 10 20 30 40 50 60

Total

Urban

Rural

Male

Female

Total

Urban

Rural

Male

Female

Total

Urban

Rural

Male

Female

Total

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Male

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Average hours worked per week to produce

household used products (hours)

17.1

12.9

17.7 17.5 16.8

13.6

9.6

14.213.6 13.6

28.3

19.3

29.330.8

26.2

25.1

19.8

26.1

27.9

23.3

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5.0

10.0

15.0

20.0

25.0

30.0

35.0

Chung Thành

thịNông

thôn

Nam Nữ Chung Thành

thịNông

thôn

Nam Nữ Chung Thành

thịNông

thôn

Nam Nữ Chung Thành

thịNông

thôn

Nam Nữ

Chung Có việc làm Thất nghiệp Không hoạt động kinh tế

The percentage of people aged 15 and over is involved in the

management, maintenance and care of the family

80.6

56.7

71.2

72.0

71.6

95.9

72.5

83.5

87.0

84.7

95.6

62.8

78.7

78.1

78.5

90.7

61.7

76.8

76.5

76.7

- 10.0 20.0 30.0 40.0 50.0 60.0 70.0 80.0 90.0 100.0

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Nam

Nông thôn

Thành thị

Chung

Nữ

Nam

Nông thôn

Thành thị

Chung

Nữ

Nam

Nông thôn

Thành thị

Chung

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Average hours for housework per week

19.8 20.8

18.9

13.1

23.9

18.6 19.1 18.2

13.1

22.5

25.4 26.9

24.6

14.2

33.6

22.1

24.0

20.2

13.1

26.0

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5.0

10.0

15.0

20.0

25.0

30.0

35.0

40.0

Chung

Thàn

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Nông

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Nam Nữ

Chung

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Nông

thôn

Nam Nữ

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Nông

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thôn

Nam Nữ

Chung Có việc làm Thất nghiệp Không hoạt động kinh tế

III. CONCLUSION & MOVING FORWARD

Conclusion & moving forward

In summary, the conceptual framework for employment statistics of the 19 ICLS attempts to clarify what the definition of employment is. It is a job done for the purpose of getting paid, earned wage/salary.

Labor activities that create self-consumed products are non-profitable or unpaid activities, salaries will not be considered as employment because it is not linked to market factors. Employees who work for the purpose of making products for themselves and their families will not be considered employed.

Vietnam is still an agricultural country with a lot of self-employed people living to support the whole family. The fact that these people are unemployed is still controversial not only in Viet Nam but also in some developing countries in the world

Although home-made/ self consumed products are still significant for the livelihoods of a large part of the population, especially in remote and isolated areas. However, the contribution of this product to the GDP growth of the country is declining

Conclusion & moving forward

(cont.) As recommended by the ILO, the transition from

the old conceptual framework to the new conceptual framework requires a roadmap.

The Vietnam General Statistics Office has followed the recommended roadmaps by implementing three pilot surveys, applying new recommendations at different scales and at national wide, across the country.

Viet Nam already has sufficient conditions to apply the ICLS 19. The GSO is going to apply this new conceptual framework in the LFS 2019.

Conclusion & moving forward (cont.) It is necessary to have Consultation with experts and data users

on the strengths and limitations of the ICLS 19 framework based on the results of the ICLS 19 pilot survey., and apply international standards with Vietnam contexts.

Carry out a campaign of public dissemination, dissemination, interpretation, and recommendation to the general public and data users on the change in scope, concept of ICLS 19 before and after the official adoption of this conceptual framework.

Although the producers of self-producedproducts are not employed, ILO experts also assist countries in developing a module to collect information on production activities. Self-produced products of the laborers. GSO should carefully study these contents in order to develop a questionnaire that is suitable for Vietnam and meet the need to measure labor standards in accordance with international standards while ensuring that "no one behind “.