Evgeny Fedorov - Interview Transcript May, 2014

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my major interest has always been psychological warfare,

and this is adoozy

Posted on June 1, 2014by niqnaq

This comes from New Insight, the same people who gave us that very lengthy lecture by thehistorian Fertsev, about six weeks ago I think, and who also carry lectures by my bte noire

Alexander Dugin. This new person being presented here has a very interesting background,

which suggests that in reality, he is the people he is warning us against. Russian psyops are a lot

less subtle than Usaian ones, so I think theyre fairly easy to untangle. Theres a sort of

melodramatic buzz to them, a degree of overstatement, which is a dead giveaway. Israelis are

melodramatic, too, which maybe is an index of their own Russification since the great influx of

Russian Jews post-1992. Usaian psyops, whether neocon or neolib, are a lot subtler and

generally understate everything, so you have to dig and dig and dig to find the substance

underneath. But returning to these Russians, lets see who this character actually is: Yevgeny

Alexeyevich Fyodorov. This is from his wiki:

In 1996 he was appointed deputy head of the Insurance Supervision Department of the Ministry

of Finance of the Russian Federation in 1997 for the post of Deputy Head of the Security

Council of Russia. In the 1990s, he initiated the creation of a number of social movements,

including the all-Russian political public movement in support of the development of nuclear

energy, industry and science, Russian public movement of depositors of Sberbank,

policyholders Rosgosstrakh and the owners of the securities.

Its interesting to note that he is on the board of the state-owned nanotech companyRusnano,

which has a wholly-owned subsidiary in Israel. My own thought here is that his ultimate purpose

is to recuperate the dangerous idea that there is a fifth column of traitors running the country, by

positioning Putin as champion of the forces who must resist this fifth column. So Putin gets a new

lease of life from the fear of the fifth column, instead of being snagged by suspicion that he is

part of it. The Israeli connections of Fedorov become doubly interesting in this respect, if in

reality the fifth column not only includes Putin, but is also Jewish (ie the Lubavitchers and

whoever stands behind them). Im not saying you have to believe in my current program of

casting suspicion on Putin, all of which ultimately derives from theEduard Hodos article of ten

years ago. Im just saying you have to think in three dimensions, you have to include the depth

dimension, which is that everything may be the exact inverse of what youre being told it is.

Actually, what really arouses my suspicion is precisely the massive, emotionally supercharged

effort to paint Putin as the saviour of not only Russia but the human species in its entirety, the

world saviour in fact. This is obviously being mounted as a reaction against something, namely a

tendency to regard Putin with some suspicion, as maybe not what he pretends to be. If theyre

working so hard and being so aggressive to discredit and eliminate anyone who questions him,then there is something they are frightened of, a finger of suspicion pointing at him that they are

trying to paint over. All that having been said, I fell in love with this girl Maria, when she said:

Brave cabbages? Dont make it sound like a movie! RB

Usaia to attack Russia in 2015: Evgeny Fedorov

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A coup dtat under the guise of an Orange Revolution is being prepared in Russia. The bigpicture and the details are given by Evgeny Fedorov, a deputy in the Russian parliament, andcoordinator of the Peoples Liberation Movement. The coup facilitator is the fifth column, whichdominates the mass-media and public servants all the way up to government ministers, a pointbarely known within Russia, never mind outside. However, the peoples insurrection in Ukrainecould wake up enough people in Russia to restore national sovereignty. In the next few years itwill come to a head, with only two possible outcomes : the destruction of Russian civilization orthe collapse of the Usaian empire.

Major segments:

0:19:51 Washingtons mechanisms of control via the fifth column in Ukraine (coup launched)and Russia (coup in preparation).0:47:03 Novorossia could mobilize an army big enough to liberate all Ukraine.0:55:34 The armed coup was launched even though Yanokovych was capitulating, in order to

establish conditions for terror and massacres.1:03:46 Novorossia has eliminated the fifth column. This will be emulated in neighboringterritories.1:08:57 The foreign mercenaries are likely equipment operators.1:25:31 Fifth column agitators will try to get Putin overthrown for his inaction over Ukraine.1:39:19 The global crusade of the Anglo-Saxons: banditry & exploitation, obscured by style,finesse and copious marketing.1:45:18 Parallels between the German and Usaian invasions of USSR/Russia (then and now).

EU-Ukraine Association Agreement: Article 43 defines Ukraine as a Developing country.

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Q:Evgeny Alexeevitch, since we met two weeks ago or so, a whole lot has happened. Areferendum was announced and held in Donetsk and Lugansk Republics. But to be honest I dontreally see the point of it. The usual Usaians and Germans, claiming to speak for the internationalcommunity, will declare it illegal. At the same time there are constant armed clashes. It really is awar. Its hard to make sense of the situation: a war, a referendum, and everything else thatsgoing on.

A:Its the same as it ever was. Lets get back to the basics for a moment. Not for a single second
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has humanity ever lived without battles between rivals. Its clear that there has been a battlebetween states for their spheres of influence, partly for markets in the economic domain, butessentially a battle for power. In other words, which state will rule in the neighborhood or in thiscase, rule over the earth. Such battles have always been going on. However, there used to beseveral more or less equal empires battling against each other. 100 or so years ago there were

seven empires: the British, French, German, Russian and so on. Now there is one, Usaia. Theygained this status by winning wars and placing their forces on the defeated territories. Rememberthat Europe is called an ally of Usaia. But what kind of ally is that? Generally, Usaian forceshave been placed in Europe as the occupying power. The label was changed at some point, butthe essence has remained the same. Were talking about a standard global order, indeed there hasnever been any other, in which there is a constant battle for the lead. Not only to lead, but also tofeel ones own importance. The current victor in this battle is Usaia. It is therefore completelylogical that in the course of this battle, they will finish off anyone who could present any kind ofcontest, anyone who could break out from under their control, as Russia is trying to do. Ofcourse, they are exercising their right as the victor to live at the expense of the defeated, as wasalways the case throughout human history. All this talk of democracy and double standards ispropaganda nonsense. The Usaians have no double standards. Their standard is the ber-nation,Usaia, versus the other nations, the vassals and slaves. The vassal nations they call civilizedpeoples, while the slave nations they call developing nations, which is what it actually says intheir document on Ukraine. They used to just call them the natives. Such has always been theworld order. Everything else, you need to realize, is just the usual hot air.

Whats really happening in the territory of Ukraine is an armed foreign invasion, before which,evidently, Ukraine wasnt sovereign anyway. But now it has become an armed foreign invasion.The purpose of the invasion is to cleanse Ukraine, and Russia, of the competing nations who livehere, which means their states and peoples. This is what has always happened before. Its anabsolutely standard situation. Also in Ukraine, if were talking about Donetsk and Lugansk, thereis an insurrection by the people, something which has happened probably a thousand times

before. In terms of the last 100 years in Ukraine this is the third insurrection by the peopleagainst foreign invaders. Same as it ever was. Some of our viewers think that the world hadalways been a certain way, and in only the last two weeks it has changed. Nothing has changed.Its all the same. What is happening now has happened before. Of course, people arebrainwashed by propaganda. Propaganda has always been effective. It serves the interests of theempire. However, the Usaians do change the terminology as necessary, to support their goals ofcontrolling the process, being the rulers and feeling their own importance. Same as a soldier usescamouflage: white in winter, foliaged in summer, sandy in the desert. Same thing here:democracy, anti-terror operations, fighting separatists. This is just playing around with words toconceal the essence: control by Usaia, defense of their colonial world, defense of the dollar as apart of that world, and the suppression of resisters. So what has become the war in Ukraine is

actually a war against Russia via Ukraine. At the same time we see in Ukraine the standardprocesses of insurrection against an invader, whose job is to eliminate the people who live there.The Usaians are not even hiding the fact. Its a typical scenario which is unfolding.

Whats more important for us is how we evaluate these events, how we act, what Russia shoulddo in the context of this battle between rivals. This applies to not only Russia, but also Ukraineand residents of other nations, as everyone stands before this same challenge. Since were callingthis war an invasion of Ukraine by foreign soldiers. Look, you said there are mercenaries there.


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Why do you call them mercenaries? They are ordinary armed forces of the invader state. ImagineHitler had come out and said: Right guys, now that you have invaded Ukraine, you are nolonger Army Group Center, you are Army Group Mercenaries. What would that have changed?He used such slang too. The propaganda machine currently needs to call these soldiers somethingdifferent. Specially for us and the viewers they decided to call them mercenaries. But they

didnt cease to be Usaian invading soldiers for that. Moreover, specialists of counter-insurgency.In fact, they dont need to put their own army there: plenty of locals have been recruited in 20years of propaganda. They only need specialists of management and counter-insurgency. Aresident of Ukraine isnt going to slaughter another resident of Ukraine just like that. This issomething which requires training, a very specific way of life. It requires training: killing ten orso people, in order to become a professional. As was demonstrated in the Unions House inOdessa. Each of those killers got through 20-30 people an hour. How could a normal person,without 10 years of specialist training, undertake such massive slaughter? Of course they cant.This is like a Schwarzenegger movie. Only trained people can do this. They had already beentrained by Usaians in Libya, Syria, where they slaughtered masses of people. Now theyve comeover here to slaughter, having received the relevant training. They were concealed within a wholesystem of matrioshkas, then sent into that building to perform their skills. Having performedtheir skills, they received their bonus payment from Usaia, then went off to Kiev or Syria orsomewhere else to continue their work. All of this is standard practice. There is nothing out ofthe ordinary. And it will continue. How do we know that it will continue? Because it has alwaysbeen going on. Its clear that the current strategic objectives of the Usaians is the elimination ofRussia. Eliminating Ukraine is a step toward that. Accordingly, they will continue the slaughterin Ukraine and everywhere else. Notice, they are understating the numbers. In the Unions Housethey said it was 48.

Q:Killed?

A:Yes, killed. But there is information from other sources, which they dont talk about, saying

300. Other sources are no less reliable than those who say 48. So, either it was 48 or it was 300.Considering that the Usaians from the beginning have been constantly understating the numbers,in Slaviansk, in Donetsk, and everywhere else, I think most likely 300 is closer to the truth. Plusthose who were abducted, or covertly strangled, not in the Unions House. Information has comeout that people are being abducted at night, taken away somewhere and killed. It began in Kiev,when several people were burned alive by Molotov cocktails in a basement. This is a system inoperation. The way to respond to such a system is the same as it has always been, historically. Ifyou want to survive as a nation, in this case as the Ukrainian people, or as individualsconstituting this people, then you can respond. Dont expose yourself to the counter-insurgencyprocess. Either go underground, if you dont have the capability to take up arms, or else go intothe epicenter of resistance, Donetsk, Lugansk, against the external armed invasion which has

taken place. They have armed units of people from Odessa. Remember that Warsaw wasliberated by Polish soldiers who had been fighting as part of the Red Army. All of these historicalsolutions have been done before. Whats forming in Donetsk and Lugansk is the standardmechanism of resistance against armed foreign invaders. And the mechanism is spreading. Thenumber of people there is growing. Referendums took place, which decided in favor of thestates independence in these territories. The people have absolutely adopted the right line, inorder to defend themselves against foreign invaders, as did their grandfathers and great-


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grandfathers before them. You just need to call things by their right name.

Normally I talk about the situation in Russia, because most of the viewers are citizens of Russia.Why do we say that the fifth column in Russia is powerful? Because information is constantlybeing distorted. Well, some channels have begun reporting the truth about the terror in Ukraine.But they dont tell the full truth: that this terror didnt simply appear out of nowhere. Watchingthe channels here youll see some fascists who were lying in wait in some basements, then cameout of their basements and started slaughtering people. But they were brought out by theinvaders, as was the case the previous time. The channels here dont report that. Why do we talkabout the fifth column within the media, although they have begun telling part of the truth?Because its only part of the truth. There is more to it. And they never tell the truth just like that,but only with the agreement of the Usaians. Because the truth is partially reported not for thepurpose of solving the problem, but to enrage people, to create civil opposition, to stir up troublein Russia. What they dont say is that it was a foreign invasion. You understand the difference?They say mercenaries. They dont say that the Usaian military killed twenty people inSlaviansk. No, thats not what they say. They say mercenaries. Although its a good start to sayat least that. These foreign military personnel, organizers of counter-insurgency operations, they

organized the slaughter in Ukraine, here, here and here. And they will continue the slaughter.Many, many thousands of people will die in this slaughter. This slaughter will only increase. Youknow why? Because when people dont have the truth, they cant solve the issue. If the issue issome fascists who popped out of the basements like mushrooms, then the solution is toperiodically stuff them back into their basements. But if its a foreign invasion, then the solutionis a completely different approach. These people in Donetsk, Lugansk, are not just fighting thefascists. They are also fighters of the Patriotic War, fighting against foreign invaders, as did theirgrandfathers and great-grandfathers. Thats a different status.

The military personnel who are participating in or assisting the counter-insurgency operations areservice personnel of the armed junta. Which means they are the military personnel of the

putschists: illegal armed groups, from the point of view of international law. It all depends onTV, which is simply distorting information, not telling the full truth. Next, these soldiers willface a choice: Either join forces with the foreign occupier, the Usaian military, to eliminate theirown fathers and mothers, the people of their own nation, or else go over to the resistance againstthe foreign invaders, which means joining the partisan forces of Donetsk, Lugansk, to engage inthe battle for the liberation of their country. It all depends on the truth, including TV. If you tellthe truth, then you get the answers. Its a completely different scenario. Out of 100 servicepersons, I am sure that 95, irrespective of money, would rush to join those who have risen up.That is, if they are given a realistic historical break-down of the situation. That depends, amongother things, on the mass-media in Russia. So this is the issue. Furthermore, if this is a foreigninvasion, then what needs to be done in Russia? If the TV channels here say that fascism has

flared up in Ukraine, then its not really Russias business. But if its a foreign invasion,moreover directed against Russia, then what? It means some decisions have to be made inRussia: Either preparation for war against the foreign invader, who is certain to attack on theterritory of Russia. Or else support the centers of resistance against the foreign invasion on theterritory of Ukraine. Either option necessitates resolution of the main issue: The powerful fifthcolumn and external administration. A colony cannot assist another colony. Only free states canassist that colony. So the issue about the fifth column will be key. As soon as Channel 1 and


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VGTRK start talking about the foreign

And all the facts are there: mercenaries sent in, administration from Washington, counter-insurgency operations. Its all there, all the elements of the invader. So tell the truth, its aninvasion. But if they say that, then theyll have rectify their own management according to someor other law, even if not military law. Because their managers are the fifth column. Channel 1,NTV and all the others. Most of the government will have to be cleaned out too. Thats only thefirst stage. After that the whole system needs to be changed. Once you start saying the wordinvaders, then you have to start looking at the institutions of administration here. That will startthe historical processes. Because this fifth column is currently preparing Russia for the very sameinvasion as it did in Ukraine. And the result of this invasion will similarly be massive losses andslaughter on the streets of Moscow. Thats what its about. So the words they use are all carefullychosen. Its a standard component to accompany an armed foreign invasion on the basis of apowerful fifth column of the modern type.

Q:What was the point of organizing that massacre in Odessa, if it damages the presidentialelection?

A:They couldnt care less about the presidential election.

Q:Theyre holding an election to say, look, we elected a president, Yatsenyuk or whosoever.

A:Thats nonsense. The Usaians are not worried about the election. They said the election willtake place. Even if that means only in two districts of Kiev, theyll still say: This was ademocratic election. Its not double standards. Its just the way they appoint the colonialadministration. Who is going to tell them the election was illegitimate? Russia? They couldntcare less what Russia says. Germany? They will keep their head down and their mouth shut.Theyre not going anywhere. Berlin is surrounded by armed Usaian forces. So its is all fake,

skulduggery.

Q:So what was the massacre for? To intimidate people?

A:Of course, same as any massacre. Like Hitler used to do. As did the Romanians in the verysame Odessa. Same story, as it always has been. Considering all the previous massacres, why doyou think the purpose of this identical massacre would be any different?

Q:The thing is, such a mass murder will open many peoples eyes.

A:So what?

Q:But people wont see it. No-one in Ukraine knows that so many people were killed.

A:Firstly, there is a powerful propaganda machine there, which wont report it. Likewise inUsaia and Euia, Germany, for example, no-one is reporting about it. Secondly, they dont fearthat anyone will say something. Whats important is that they used it to put down the popularresistance in the occupied territory, which is trying to rebel. They put it down by intimidating thepeople. Like all the others did before. Its an element of the machinery of the armed occupier.The armed coup gave them the authority to do this. Heres the key: to any specialist it became


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apparent that as soon as the Usaians gave Yatsenyuk and Turchynov the order to seize power byarmed means, there would be massacres in Odessa and everywhere else. Not by peaceful means,as Yanukovych had offered, but by armed means. They even signed a document for the transferof power, yet still seized it by force. Why? To signal the use of armed methods in the occupiedterritory, i.e. massacres. Any specialist could see that as soon as this decision was made, that

Yatsenyuk & Co were seizing power by force, it was going to claim the lives of thousands ofpeople. And were only at the beginning of this process. And how many people are being killedcovertly in Kiev, Lvov? Journalists have no access to this part of the machinery. People there are

just being butchered on the quiet. What happened to those tens of thousands who got arrested?They just disappeared. Half of them we have no information about at all. I reckon some of themwerent even taken anywhere. By means of the state machinery which is in their hands, all of thecrematoria, they are just eliminating people. As has always happened in the past. You thinkPinochet didnt do that in Chile? He did. Whats happening is all a standard historical processonce again. However the mass media here are lying with regard to this process.

Q:Well, theres a question. Why are they telling at least part of the truth?

A:Ill tell you why. Usaia has given them the command to report part of the truth, to create apowerful system of instability on the territory of the FSU. That is, creating a powerful force ofnegativity. And do you think this disturbs Tyaghnibok, Yatsenyuk? No. They couldnt care less.Just as the Usaians hired them, they can replace them. What they need is to have the wholeoccupied territory of the FSU plunged into a system of armed self-destruction. For which theychose the moment to attack. It wasnt Russia or Yanukovych who chose the moment. It wasUsaia. For 20 years they were preparing this moment. They put huge sums of money in it, asthey said themselves. They chose the moment and issued the order to attack. Why did they issuethe order? Because they realize that the opponent, i.e. us, is at its weakest. Because of our weakposition, they decided by launching this attack to complete the process of destruction which theystarted in 1991.

Q:Why are we weak now?

A:In their view. It means their fifth column is stronger than ever. They see the greatest weaknessin the current situation. In their view Russia is now unable to withstand the armed phase of theinvasion. Look, you dont have access to all the information that the US Sec State has. You dontknow who in Russia is working for them.

Q:I dont know, but I can guess. Many people here in the State Duma are working for them. Andover there in the Kremlin too.

A:Youre guessing, but they know, because they get detailed reports from their embassy. And

from their grant recipients. There are 20,000 of them in Moscow. The detailed reports say: Thisgeneral will do such and such. That minister will do this. This business executive will dothat. They have established contact with these people. Theyve already been intimidated by theMagnitsky Act or by the sanctions, or they have connections by mechanism of family, children,business interests abroad and all the rest of it. These mechanisms are being rolled out across thewhole system of decision-making in Russia. The current means of invasion have been in placefor some time. But now it is becoming more extensive. Its not based on nuclear weapons orinvasion by mechanized armies, as happened in WW1 and WW2. Its based on working with the


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fifth column. Which it was then too. But now the fifth column is being supplemented bymechanized armies. First they prepare the fifth column, then the army. The current phase is basedon working with the fifth column. They know what will be the reactions of those in the fifthcolumn. For example, the reaction in Ukraine to a foreign invasion, where the civil servants, atleast the most important of them in this context, supported the armed foreign occupation. Who

was that? Primarily it was the officials in uniform: the Ministry of Defence and the borderguards. We already discussed this. Some people have made comments: What do you mean anarmed putsch and invasion? There is no army involved. There is an army. When the borderguards are telling the president that they will remove him if he doesnt immediately surrender tothe foreign invading forces (Armed mercenaries are on the ground, thats a foreign army) thenthey are obviously party to the conspiracy, the putsch. The border guards are an army division.When the Ministry of Defence declares neutrality during a foreign invasion (Im talking aboutearlier, when Yanukovych was in the cabinet) same story. This is all elements of an armed coup dtat, organized by foreign invaders via the fifth column.

Q:So youre saying the fact that the Ministry of Defence on two occasions declared that It hasnothing to do with us. Its for you to resolve in Kiev. We will not get involved, that is the

workings of the fifth column. And the fact that the courts dragged their heels, then released theMaidanites, instigators and pogrom-makers, is all part of the same?

A:Yes. The whole system was prepared and organized in advance. ut I repeat, the situation inRussia is the same. When the Usaians began their invasion of Ukraine, they primarily assessedthe situation in Russia. In Ukraine they were probably ready the last time, with Yuschenko,remember? Everything that they are doing now they could have done back then. But theyreckoned they werent ready for Russia at that time, that the fifth column in Russia was too weakand wouldnt play by their rules. Now they have evidently decided that the fifth column inRussia is considerably stronger than it was then. In effect, they removed Putin by not allowinghim a third term. Technologically, they pulled that off.

Q:OK, but many people consider that, on the contrary, Russia is stronger now, viewed from anexternal perspective; that the army has been strengthened.

A:What Im talking about is the assessment of the situation by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the StateDept, the CIA and other agencies, from the point of view of the battle against rivals, which theyare conducting across the whole world, including in Russia and the post-USSR territory. Thatstheirassessment. I agree that the army has been strengthened, and that many processes have beenimproved. But from theirpoint of view, those improvements still dont compensate for thesystemic degradation which they have achieved in the 4-5 years since they removed Putin. Thatstheirperspective, based on the feedback they receive. Theyve spent all this money on Ukraine,

$5b they said, and in Russia, of course, multiple-fold more, for which they have obtainedfeedback channels. Thats how they can assess the situation. And considering that this is their20th invasion by the same methods in recent years, its clear theyve gotten the hang of it and thesystem is working. The same people are doing this for the 20th time. So of course theyunderstand the technology and the reactions from the jurisdiction in question. Moreover, these 20times have mostly ended in victory. When it didnt, such as in Syria, it was due to theinvolvement of third forces. Russia didnt allow them to simply destroy Syria. So now they areaddressing the main issue, which is Russia. If they cant resolve the issue of Russia, as we


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discussed earlier, then theyll fail to preserve the Usaian empire. To resolve the issue of Russia,they have to resolve some tactical matters for the moment, namely Ukraine, which they havebegun an armed attack on. Ukraine really is a matter of national security for Usaia, as theirauthorities indeed have stated publicly. So whether they kill a hundred people in a counter-insurgency operation in Slaviansk, or a thousand, or in Odessa or anywhere else, its a matter of

national security for Usaia, which they have even stated publicly.

Q:Who said that?

A:Jackass Kerry announced that this whole crisis puts at stake the national security of Usaia andthe entire model of global leadership.

Q:That was honest of him.

A:Yes, he spoke honestly and openly. And that was said maybe a month or so ago. Even Nulandstated explicitly that the events in Ukraine are a matter of national security for Usaia. That meansthe result of their counter-insurgency operation: will they succeed in intimidating Russia and

Ukraine, or not? Thats why theyre doing this now. Just as it has been done before. And let mesay: Yes, they have managed to intimidate. 12million people in Odessa have gone quiet.Theyve been intimidated. A different matter is how things will turn out after 2-3 months, whatthe situation will be then. For the moment they have achieved their goal: the counter-insurgencyoperations. Otherwise they wouldnt have conducted them. And no-one else would have either.Hitler wouldnt otherwise have conducted his counter-insurgency operations either. Why didHitler hang people on the streets of the very same Ukrainian cities? For what? He wasnt anidiot, when he was doing that. He was intimidating the people of the occupied territory. Just asthe Usaians are now intimidating the very same people in the occupied territories, in order thatthose people will quietly leave this land and not get in the way of the Usaians building their newworld order. Same as it ever was. But the main thing for us today is what lesson to take from the

events in Ukraine. This is what I am always talking about. If we characterize these events as aninvasion, then, logically, the primary lesson to take away is to purge the fifth column in Moscow.Thats the main issue. Putin cant address this issue just like that, its not a simple issue. What isthe fifth column in Moscow? Above all, its the mass media. So that means physically replacingthe management of the major media organizations in the Russian Federation.

Q:Thats impossible to do.

A:How so? You want to live, no?

Q:I mean Putin. He cant make such a political decision.

A:Of course not. He doesnt have that authority.Russiahas to do this. Its the only way. Afterthat is the question of by what mechanisms. Our starting point is a political mechanism to solvethe problem: a referendum. As was done in Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk. It was the people whocame up with the idea for a referendum. No-one forced it upon them. The people realized that ifthey want to live, then they have to conduct a referendum. Only Russia hasnt understood thisyet. But the technology exists in peoples heads. You think people in Lugansk are smarter thanthose in Ryazan?


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Q:No. The same.

A:The same. But these people, excuse the expression, have finally got it. While those in Ryazanhavent. So whats the problem?

Q:The massacres havent reached Ryazan yet.

A:Look, then its a question of whos first. If they hold a referendum, then there will be nomassacre in Ryazan. If they dont hold a referendum, then there willbe a massacre in Ryazan.Maybe it would be an idea for people in Ryazan to consider whats happening in Lugansk andDonetsk? And make their own decision, whether they want to live or be slaughtered? Maybe itsbetter to hold the referendum beforethe massacre, not after?

Q:Thats not an option. Thats in the class of fantasy.

A:Now Maria understands. She used to have doubts.

Q:No, I used to have hope.

A:What, hope that there wouldnt be massacres?

Q:No. That people would come to their senses, before the massacres begin.

A:Look whats happening. Its getting ever closer: Libya, then Syria, which is closer, now viathe Black Sea and into Ukraine already.

Q:People still dont get it. Only when they see people on the street with arms, with knives,killing everyone, only then will they get it.

A:Thats a bit too late. Moreover, behind Ukraine is Russia, but behind Russia is no-one. This isa factor in the case of Ukraine. They have somewhere to flee to, if the worst comes to the worst.That doesnt apply in Russia. When the massacres start in Moscow, where will people go?Theres nowhere to run to. You cant run to China. Of course, China will be opposed to themassacres, but you cant flee to there. So here the logic is different, because theres nowhere toretreat to. From Kiev retreat is still possible. From here, no. So being ahead of events, ifanything, should be even more important here than in Ukraine.

Q:OK. But thats not how people think, at least not here. Or basically anywhere else for thatmatter. In reality, people just live their own lives. For all we curse them, most people simplydont care. They just live their ordinary lives: Work, family, children. Maybe drinking or parties.They just live their own lives.

A:Understood. But that is how people lived in 1941 too. Then they started living differently.

Q:Exactly. Only when people came and pointed a machine gun at them did they change the waythey live.

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anything in Moscow?

Q:Theyll say: Look at those nasty people. Putins government has allowed them to take overBelgorod.

A:Thats armed invaders. But they will be described as residents of Belgorod.

Q:It will be the same as in Ukraine, like you said. Some locals cause a fuss, and the media herewill say that the locals are fed up with their government. Theyll say that the Mayor or theGovernor appointed by Putin is a thief, and so on.

A:He failed to investigate something. The logic of mobilizing the nation due to a foreigninvasion, as we are now observing in our Ukrainian territories (I say our meaning the commonRussian lands, because this is an attack on the territory of the FSU, which was artificiallypartitioned by the occupier), you think that logic wont work. I think it will work. If eventscontinue for a certain period in Ukraine, that will awaken people in Russia.

Q:To some degree. Evgeny, I beg to differ. The longer the terror continues in Ukraine, thegreater will grow the anger toward Putin.

A:Because Channel 1, VGTRK, NTV will spin it. Let me repeat: they spin part of the truth, butnot all of it. The whole truth is that these people are foreign invaders.

Q:Thats what were talking about. We know that Ukraine will be a long story, as you explained.But it wont make people realize that they have start defending themselves. The reaction will bethe opposite: people will come out against Putin. Most of them, anyway. Next, as we know,people cant believe that Russia is a colony, that there is a fifth column, etc. They think Putincould have prevented what is happening in Ukraine, the massacre in Odessa, the daily killings inSlaviansk.

A:Like he can fire a bolt of lightning from the clouds.

Q:Thats what people think, sadly. The longer this terror and slaughter continues, and the worseit becomes, the more will be the dissatisfaction with the policies of Putin.

A:Thats the purpose of the spin.

Q:Yes, in the mass media.

A:Remember, the media is partly reporting the truth. But they only report the truth withpermission from the US. Because the truth, when reportedpartially, can favor the invader. Iagree, the job of the media is to unfold this story. Or rather to steer it toward the overthrow oftheir own national Russian government, meaning Putin personally, and bring about in Russia acomplete dictatorship and the slaughter of the population, as in Ukraine, i.e. to cleanse Russia. Iagree with your analysis. That, I think, is why they report the truth. At the same time, I take myhat off to those journalists who are risking their lives to get the truth: in Lugansk, Donetsk,Odessa, etc. But their bosses here, Channel 1, VGTRK, NTV and others, they are working forthe invaders. These are heroic journalists with the fifth column for bosses. Its a neat system.


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Likewise, the heroes in Ukraine, well, they had different journalists too. But straight after thecoup dtat, the whole system, with hundreds of thousands of people working in it, fell into thehands of the invaders. Now there are no others. Those who were, they got quickly expelled. Thesame will happen in Russia. Dont you think theyll replace the top people in Russia? Youremember we examined the issue of personnel appointments in the media? For example, we said

that Dmitry Kiselyev was a patriot. But we also said there was another candidate. Accordingly, acompromise candidate was selected. During an armed foreign invasion a compromise favors theenemy, although it may look nice. Initially it will look fair. But at a critical moment, as happenedwith the channel ITR in Ukraine, they switch sides. People need to understand that. Im tellingpeople this in advance, so they will understand how events will unfold. Why is this being shownon TV and not that? The job of the fifth column is to create hardship, lower the standard ofliving, and roll out the whole machinery against the citizens of Russia, to create slaughter inRussia.

Q:Its progressing well.

A:According to the logic of the Usaians, we are to be eliminated. In their view, we have no

chance of surviving. Hitler took the same view, when he entered the territory of the SovietUnion. Likewise Napoleon, and all the rest. In their assessment, they are winning. Thats theirassessment, not ours. So they gave the signal to invade. They understand that if they lose this waragainst Russia, this invasion of Russia, Ukraine, etc, they will lose the Usaian empire. If Russiacan repulse the Usaian, German and other forces who are invading with the help of the fifthcolumn, then Russia will be forced to change, and to purge the fifth column, which is here inMoscow. The wave of consequences from their retreat will automatically return all the way backto Washington. Because China will change its policies, even Japan will change its policies.Especially as there are Usaian occupying armed forces stationed in Japan, the dynamics willchange very quickly. Even though in their schools, they say that the Soviet Union nuked Japan.People can learn the truth in one week, if they have the opportunity, if they can break through the

info blockade.

Q:Evgeny, returning to the technologies. Any mercenaries who are shooting people on thestreets of Moscow, theyll be dressed like Russian citizens. They wont be wearing fascisthelmets, so to speak, or NATO uniforms. So people will misidentify them. So were back to theissue of the media again, i.e. how these events will be presented in the media.

A:Mass media, Maria, that is the typical fifth column.

Q:Exactly. So the question is how to change that? We know that firstly the fifth column has to beremoved from the media. But how?

A:You cant remove the fifth column from the media without removing the fifth column fromthe government.

Q:But in order to remove the fifth column from the government, you have to remove the fifthcolumn from the media. Its a catch-22.

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Q:So how to do that?

A:Two options. The constitutional option: a referendum. The unconstitutional option: an armedpurge. Thats it: two options.

Q:The constitutional option, thats unlikely to happen.

A:An armed purge will only happen once conditions for it have been established. The Usaiansreckon that wont happen, that there wont be the kind of dynamic of events that would lead to anarmed purge. Let me make this clear: from their perspective, they have won already. In theirview of the world, everything is already in place for that. If the logic of the Russian population,the Russian citizens, doesnt change, i.e. their perception of events, which could change just likethat, then they will indeed have won.

Q:Evgeny, when Hitler was attacking, there wasnt this total informational deception.

A:There was, although not in the USSR. Because the USSR had sovereignty, which,

incidentally, came about on the back of earlier events. It didnt come about by itself. After the1917 defeat, there was no sovereignty. It arose later, as a result of processes within the country.

Q:Still, these are different situations ahead of the attack. Sadly, the situation in Russia nowseems much worse.

A:Yes. The situation is really bad. But let me say again: There needs to be a turning point inpeoples consciousness.

Q:For that to happen, people have to be told the truth.

A:People need to seek the truth.

Q:Come on, Evgeny. No-one is going to seek the truth.

A:OK. Then theres another option. Stockpile a quantity of pasta, it keeps a long time, andtinned stew, which keeps for up to 25 years. Sneak off to a distant rural cottage. Along the way:change the name on your papers, ideally to something non-Russian. Thats the technology. Youchoose.

Q:Even that not everyone will do.

A:You choose. However, you are making a static assessment of the situation. Im looking atchanges in peoples consciousness in the course of military action. In Ukraine the events are only

beginning, sadly.

Q:Theyve been underway for half a year, longer even.

A:Yes, but such are the processes. How long did the Great Patriotic War go on for? How longwas WW2? How long was WW2 going on before the Great Patriotic War began?


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Q:Officially from 1939. Actually earlier, Japan started things.

A:Of course, it was much earlier. In principle, the processes have always taken this length oftime. Unfortunately, we are only at the beginning of events. And, sadly, these events will bebloody. The bloody trend, so to speak, is taking shape in Ukraine. Whether this will come to beknown as WW3, I dont know. But considering its magnitude, it will. The fall of the Usaianempire Such resounding terms are used according to the outcome. Not during the process, butbased on the outcome. When WW2 began, no-one was thinking, its WW2. Later it wascharacterized as such, moreover the Great Patriotic War. That assessment is in the future. But Ithink in the future this will be judged to be WW3. Because the Usaian empire will havecollapsed, thats our version of events. If it doesnt collapse, then the Russian one will, and theRussian Federation will be gone. The population will be wiped out. The number of people livingin Russia will be According to the figures stated by the US chiefs 15 years ago, and no-one hascanceled those plans, around 30-40 million people will live here. The rest will be massacred,cleared out, chased out, relocated, sent to Africa, and so on.

Q:Evgeny, about the impending bloody events in Ukraine: A few weeks ago the IMF allocated a

certain amount of money for Kiev.

A:To pay their mercenaries.

Q:But they stipulated a condition that Kiev must maintain control of the south-east. That wasone of the main conditions. Now those conditions have to be fulfilled.

A:Look, this money is allocated specifically to pay the invading Usaian army, to be exact, themercenaries, as they call them. This money will not reach the residents of Ukraine. They arepaying their own people, using this system as a conduit.

Q:Now that they are demanding fulfillment of these conditions, what will we see happening?

A:Whos demanding? These are the subordinates. Theyve been given an order and theyll carryit out. You dont carry it out, well shoot you. The ICC is a nice place for you. Probably thatshow it will end.

Q:Were talking in the official terms, as used in the media.

A:Invaders, yep.

Q:Should we expect from Kiev massive armed attacks on Novorossia, on the Lugansk andDonetsk republics? Or will they strike the regions which have not yet held referendums? Where

will be the utter terror: in Novorossia or in the regions which have not yet separated?

A:Lets examine the situation in Lugansk and Donetsk. You know where well start? A lot ofpeople are asking, Where are the Russian forces? A colleague of mine has a neighbor fromUkraine, working in Moscow on some construction site. He happens to be from Slavyansk. Hesays angrily: When are the Russian troops going to be there? Our colleague asked, Why? Hesaid: My children are there, in Slaviansk, my wife and parents. So he asked: What are youdoing here then, on a construction site? Earning money. You want guys from Ryazan to go and


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die there, while youre earning money here? He was offended by that question.

Q:He has to pay his bills somehow.

A:I know. He was offended. Now theyre not talking.

Q:Why such a reaction? Weve had similar conversations with many people. They dont want tofight a war for their lives, for their families. They want someone else to do it for them.

A:Because for 20 years theyve been making vegetables out of people.

Q:Toward the end of the USSR they were doing the same thing: making people into vegetables.

A:Of course. They were establishing the conditions for that. Usaians have a 300-year history ofstatehood. In Ukraine, in the Russian lands, its 1500 years. But in the opinion of the Usaians,this is stated in their document, people in Ukraine are developing. And what, they are likedeveloped? This is ongoing propaganda to put people in their place. Meaning, sink them to the

level of vegetable, to the level of the natives, above all beating out of them normal conceptslikehuman, family (hence the Juvenile Justice program here) and nation. This is the threepillars that they are knocking out of people, which, of course, lowers their desire to even defendthemselves. You could say they are making suicidal subjects of people. Thats the logic of thepropaganda in occupied territories and colonies: to convince the natives that they are natives andhave no nation. Wherever they will pay you, thats the Fatherland.

Q:Its not just that they want someone else, i.e. citizens of Russia, to fight for them. Moreoverthey say: We dont want to join Russia, or We want to be independent. We just need you toliberate us.

A:Look, this is not about Russia.

Q:Why do they take such a position?

A:Its not even clear whether were talking about the Rus or the Russian world or theRussian Federation.

Q:Im talking about the citizens of Russia.

A:Doesnt matter. Everywhere is occupied. Its just that in the UkrainianReichsgauthey haveswitched to the armed mode of occupation. In Russia they havent yet. They will switch probablynext year (2015), according to the Usaian plans. The processes which are unfolding in Donetskand Lugansk are organic: the people have risen up, the invader has been kicked out, who, by theway, wasnt the strongest: the Usaian mechanized divisions havent invaded Ukraine yet; theymight invade later, if they see that things on the ground are not working out. A referendum hastaken place and a state structure has been established. You were asking, why the referendum?Firstly, it demonstrates to the international community that it is incorrect to call 90% of thepopulation separatists. This disrupts the template of the Usaian propaganda machine.


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Q:The referendum was falsified.

A:That doesnt matter. It is still effective. They say falsified. But the photographs remain,showing lines of people wanting to vote. Their names on the voting register remain too. This canall be verified.

Q:Who will? No-one is going to verify it.

A:Thats a different issue. But its still an argument in the infowar equation.

Q:A minor one.

A:Yes, but still. If and when the situation changes, it will become more significant. This a long-term, not short-term, argument. But the main thing is that they have a new mechanism of self-defense, namely statehood. That is, Lugansk and Donetsk have become states, possessingmechanisms of self-defense at state level. They are weak, because its the first day (May 132014), but they will grow. Now they can establish an army. What kind of army could Donetsk,

Lugansk have? In general, according the laws of wartime, it could be 20% of the population,depending on the mobilization. Now that the referendum has taken place, Donetsk and Luganskcould assemble an army,consisting of up to 600,000 people. Thats a very large army.

Q:Who sets the marker, 10%, 20%? The state does, itself. They can call up more if they want.

A:Thats approximately the contingent which could be called up. Thats what they teach in themilitary academies, about planning and assessment of the states potential. This concerns anystate in the world, not only Ukraine.

Q:So thats how many can be called up to the army?

A:Yes, roughly speaking. If could be with or without pressure, there are different approaches.During an all-out war you could mobilize up to 30% of the population. A typical average figure is10%. In peace-time its 2%. These are typical army numbers. Remember, 10%, thats 600,000people. Thats a huge army, not only capable of defending Donetsk and Lugansk against invasionand counter-insurgency, but capable of liberating the whole of Ukraine. Whats happening now isa conceptual battle. The same in Russia, but there is a powerful fifth column with variousmechanisms of suppression. I wont go into the details, but its a conceptual battle.One concept isthat this is a part of Ukraine, in some form or other. The second concept is that this is a processof liberation across the whole territory of the FSU. This has to do with the lies in the media, whodont call it an invasion. These are ideologically related matters. Once its called an invasion, it

means that in Lugansk, Slaviansk, etc, people are fighting for the liberation of the whole territoryof the FSU. Whether they understand that or not doesnt matter. Accordingly, this army that isbeing formed, of up to 600,000 people, is the Liberation Army of all Ukraine, or perhaps in someshape or form of the whole territory of the FSU. 600,000 people is a very big army.

Where is the battle? Its a battle of thoughts. We, the Peoples Liberation Movement (PLM) inRussia and Ukraine, promote the concept of Rus, which is applicable not only to Ukraine, butto the whole territory of the FSU, or at least the bulk of it, and certainly to Russia, because we


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have Belaya Rus, Muscovite Rus and all the rest. So there is a concept of Rus, a concept ofSouth-East, and so on. This is the conceptual battle. Why this conceptual battle is important isthat it captures the logic of the future unfolding events. And why are we participating in thisbattle? Why do we keep talking about Rus? Because we are viewing the events in the scope ofa systematic foreign invasion, across the whole territory of the FSU. Thats the historical context.

If you only look at the South East concept, then youre stopping at some border (lets say, theDnieper). So you defeated the fascism and terrorism there, then stopped. But you didnt defeatthe invaders, because they werent identified as the enemy. Just defeated fascism and terrorism,then stopped. You stuffed the fascists back into their basements, or chased them across theDnieper, and thats all. Ideologically you could call it the second redoubt for defense of the US asthe invaders on the territory of Ukraine. Because with Crimea Putin partially snatched theinitiative from them. Only tactically, not strategically. Strategically they are still pushing hard.What do we mean by strategic initiative? It means that they are the ones making events. And thereaction is on our side, i.e. Putins, to those events. We are not making events, pushing a strategicadvance. We are reacting to events.

Q:They strike first, and we are defending.

A:Right. But since they have massive resources, they can strike 20 times in a day. In variousways: sanctions, terrorism in Ukraine, military advances, diplomatic attacks. And we are alwaysreacting to these events. In principle, thats our tradition. Russia has always risen up on the basisof defensive-liberation processes. Thats important to understand. The game is brought to us, andwe react, indeed, successfully. The processes which could arise in Ukraine, well, I wont describethe negative dynamic. We already discussed, the negative dynamic leads to massacres inMoscow. The positive dynamic is this: Donetsk, Lugansk have established a state. Of course,there will be battles within that state. They have their domestic oligarchs: Rinat Akhmetov, andthe like. So there will be an internal process too. But never mind that. They have established astate.

Q:The next stage is that the state establishes its armed forces, numbering up to 600,000 people.They havent done that yet.

A:Well, when they get attacked Foresee the situation in half a year, dont be fixated on thesituation today. In the half-year ahead the Usaians will continue their counter-insurgencyoperations. Now it is a state that they are attacking. Before the referendum they were attackingtowns and villages. Now theyre attacking a state. There will be a front line, a border between thestates of Ukraine and Donetsk-Lugansk. Never mind the names.

Q:That was my question. They will be attacking a state?

A:They will say, were only targeting the junta.

Q:The militants, separatists.

A:They will say whatever. But in reality they will be attacking a state. State is not just a word.A state means specific territorial pillars: armed forces, ministries, central bank or state bank, andall the rest of it. Thats a state. De facto they will be attacking the state structure. De facto thatsactually what theyve been doing since the day after the referendum, since when it has been a de


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facto state, which doesnt yet have all the institutions of state, but they will come, incrementally.One option is that the Usaians will bomb the state to pieces. But the fact that they havent donethis already means they are unable to, right? So if they cant bomb the place, then they have nomeans to fight a war against this state. And such a decision wouldnt be made by Turchynov orYatsenyuk. The Usaians just decide to send people into battle, period. If necessary they can

replace these generals with others from the local population. Thats what you can expect to see.So a front-line will appear. The state will acquire troops. And these troops will conduct adefensive war against what is already foreign invaders sent by Kiev to attack on the orders ofUsaia. Nominally, I think, this will continue for half a year. The presidential election, with all itsfalsification, will change nothing. Its clear there will not be any reaction to it.

Q:So it makes no difference whatsoever who becomes the supposed president?

A:Of course not. The Usaians can appoint this Poroshenko via an order from the US State Dept.Hitler did likewise: in the occupied territories he appointed hisBrgermeistersof the councilsand local chiefs. He appointed them by issuing an order via the Commandant or Gauleiter. Whatwe have here is in principle the same. Theyll falsify it, then tell Poroshenko, OK, our guys will

take care of things. Moreover, during wartime, try not following orders: theyll take you off to aditch, douse you in gasoline and light you up. That seems to be the done thing with these people.Interesting method, this execution of theirs. Theyre always setting fire to people who dontfollow orders.

Q:Thats more terrifying than being shot.

A:Historically, its characteristic. Its no coincidence that historically the methods used werewheel torture and quartering. The psychology of people is unchanged. However, the coup dtathas opened the door to using these methods overtly. If there had been a peaceful transfer ofpower, as Yanukovych had signed up to, then it wouldnt have been possible to use such

methods. Same result, but without this method. You couldnt utilize intimidation as a method bymeans of mass burning of people. Chasing them into the basement, into the shed, or into theUnions House, and then setting fire to them, that wouldnt be possible. So whats the difference,whether Yatsenyuk seized power from Yanukovych by armed means or by peaceful means? Well,if you took power by force, it means youre intending to use terrorist methods to suppressresistance.

Q:So you can disregard the law.

A:And solve problems by armed means. Imagine if Yatsenyuk had seized power peacefully.Sure, he would still have the police and prosecutors working for him. But they wouldnt be ableto carry out such methods en masse. Covertly, yes. But en masse, shooting people, using the

army, they couldnt do that. Thats the difference. So thatis the reason the Usaians gave the orderto seize power by armed means. So by giving this command, they in fact declared their intentionto clear the territory of Ukraine of Ukrainians, Russians and everyone else who lives there, as didpreviously all the other European integrators, occupiers, or whatever theyre called intodays terminology. By the way, let me remind the viewers: In accordance with the officialagreement, which the putschists signed immediately, Ukraine is now governed by theAssociation Council and the Association Committee, who are now the bosses of the Ukrainianpresident. So this agreement, previously drawn up and signed, is applicable to Poroshenko, once


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elected, right from the start, as he was elected on this basis, and it has precedence on the territoryof Ukraine. The president, whoever is elected, has to comply with this agreement. The presidentof Ukraine will just be a lackey of Mr Van Rompuy.

Q:President of the EU Council.

A:Never mind that hes President of the EU Council. Hes now head of the Association Counciland the Association Committee on Ukraine. In Hitlers day this was called Gauleiter. Now theinvaders have decided to call it Association Council and Association Committee. So now thisGauleiterisnt called Gauleiter, hes called head of the Council. Thats the difference. Underhimself he now commands: the President of Ukraine, whoever that may be, so Poroshenko wontbe going anywhere; the Supreme Rada; the whole system of government; the whole system ofstate authorities in the territory of Ukraine. So the Usaians have now officialized the verticalhierarchy of authority below them. In this case via their German allies, who are a vassal, ergobelow themselves. Its all quite simple.

Q:Van Rompuy, thats Netherlands.

A:Doesnt matter.

Q:Three countries always rotate: Britain, Netherlands, Switzerland. Its always people fromthese countries.

A:Artm, theres no rotation of countries. The state of one country rotates everything, indifferent contexts: Usaia. Its true that the English give a lot of advice in this system ofadministration.

Q:Well, its all the same elite who controls them.

A:Anyway, youre right that the Russian nuclear fuels complex will come under This is aninteresting system. Its a 100% Russian corporation. But it owns two European companies, oneof which owns the other. And the Russian nuclear fuels complex belongs to them. There aremany such things.

Q:Companies of which country?

A:Holland, or Netherlands.

Q:Netherlands, Holland is a region. Well, thats what Im saying. Always the same folks:Netherlands, Switzerland, England.

A:Yes. They control the Russian complex of arms materials.

Q:Not only that.

A:For example. There you are. The management is in place. No matter which president getsappointed, or elected as they so cutely called it, under force of arms, it doesnt matter. Becausea priori, there is a chief in place, controlling that president. And its a foreign citizen whom ifnecessary the Usaians or Germans will replace with someone else, if he doesnt make a good job


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of his terrorist duties. The money allocated to them is for suppressing the uprising of the peopleagainst the foreign invaders. Ill say it again: this money will not reach the Ukrainian people.

Q:Alright. Their new so-called Minister of Economics came out recently and said thateverything has to be cut back, social welfare is to be cut, industry is on a downturn, we cant giveit any money. He said it all.

A:This is called increasing the tribute. Ukraine now has the task of financially supporting Euia,Usai, Germany, by increasing its tributary payments. What do you expect from a developingcountry, as they are called in Article 43 (EU-Ukraine Association Agreement).

Q:So Ukraine will grind to a halt.

A:Excellent.

Q:Then its not just a tributary.

A:Artm, Ill say it again. They need Ukraine for two reasons. Firstly, tributary payments,including by the people. The place grinding to a halt will simply increase the number ofUkrainians on the slave market, to put it bluntly. For some reason its called the labor marketin modern terminology. Yes, that will increase. But the main thing is to strike Russia. Liberationof the people there will allow them to be recruited into the invading army for the war againstRussia. Its the right logic.

Q:Evgeny, in half a year they will have established an army.

A:No. Approximately half a year is needed to develop the full state potential of Donetsk andLugansk.

Q:But theyll have to do that while exposed to attacks. Paratroopers could be dropped into themiddle of Donetsk. Against a no-fly zone?

A:What paratroopers? Thats not going to happen, because having formed a state structure, allthe decisions will be made by people with rifles, not by propagandists with megaphones, but bypeople with rifles.

Q:Hang on, the Usaian army is the most powerful in the world. They insert a couple of planeswith paratroopers and thats it.

A:No. The Usaian army is an army of managers. Its the only army that needs protectionagainst Wherever they insert Usaian soldiers, they always need to have a protection unitaround them, consisting of local forces. This is not an army. Its an over-army. But yes, theycould have Romanian units or something. So in theory, yes. But its not going to happen. InRussia there is a particular complication: the fifth column is strong. What has happened inDonetsk, Lugansk because of the military situation is a natural clean-out of the fifth column. Bymilitary means the fifth column has been purged. Its no coincidence that Akhmetov and othersare trying to re-penetrate. They figured it out and Akhmetov hurriedly announced: I need armedforces from my steel company. For what? To create an alternative to this army of Lugansk,


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Donetsk. And with a military foothold, penetrate the system of administration. Becausefollowing the revolutionary process, the peoples uprising, the invaders have been ejected. Nowthe fifth column in Russia has the task in inserting various chiefs into there. But thats anotherstory.

Q:As always: take control and lead astray.

A:Thats a separate discussion. But whats the essence here? The fifth column has been purged.Currently, Lugansk and Donetsk have a system of crystal-clear authority, with no fifth column.How long it can hold out against infiltration by the fifth column coming from Russia, and fromUsaia via Ukraine, thats another issue and a separate discussion. But today, the most importantthing they have is national authority. Which is a lot already. The invaders cannot solve theDonetsk-Lugansk problem while there is a national authority in place there.

Q:Then theyll resolve it via the fifth column.

A:But not right now. There is no fifth column. It still has to come in.

Q:It will.

A:Not that quickly. In Russia and Ukraine it took them twenty years to construct the fifthcolumn.

Q:They were constructing it earlier than that. Who surrendered the Soviet Union? The sameelite remains in place.

A:I know. But the vertical hierarchy of authority is constructed differently here. Remember, thefifth column is not people who from birth are enemies of their own nation. Its people who haveentered a certain system of procedures and filters. The filtering takes time. Anyone from the fifth

column turning up in Donetsk, Lugansk today is marked and visible. Anyone who is let in will beovertly put under pressure. If its someone working in the Donetsk government, it will be writtenon their back: Sent by the fifth column.

Q:But still, hes in.

A:Maybe as a compromise. Like we have compromises with the mass media, as we discussed.With Kiselyev, for example. But its a different kind of compromise. In wartime its moredifficult to get a compromise through. So in reality they have lost control. Why exactly are wefocusing on the fact that a more or less nationally-orientated authority is taking shape inLugansk-Donetsk? It is weak, but nationally orientated. Because if this trend continues, then the

nationally orientated authority will create a contrast vis-a-vis the Russian authorities, amongstothers. Having defended themselves and set up, for example, national institutions and economicmechanisms, I am confident that they will live better than maybe even Russia. Because theywont be paying tributes, even if they maintain a huge army. But now were talking about thestrategic view for many years ahead. In the half-year ahead Donetsk-Lugansk will build ahopefully joint state structure. Furthermore, within half a year, as a result of foreign armedinvasions into the territory of these states, conditions will form listen carefully for the verysame processes in Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Odessa, Mykolayev and other regions, what is


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called the South-East. It will trigger the cloning of the mechanism of fighting against the foreigninvader. Nominally, the Odessa regiment, which is now being formed in Donetsk-Lugansk,obviously for the moment it is fighting

Look, the Polish Army, which joined forces with the Red Army on the front line within theterritory of the USSR, they went on to liberate Warsaw. Its the same here, they will liberateOdessa. Thats why I was talking about the second scenario in the conceptual battle. Currently,there is a huge battle on the level of ideological conceptions. Will there be an Odessa regiment ornot within the Donetsk-Lugansk Army? If yes, then it will be the determinative process of theliberation of Odessa. If it gets dissolved, it means they decided not to go down that road. Its assimple as that. Next. National mass media will be formed, which will tell the truth. Thats notdifficult to set up. If successful, it will become a template for Russia. There will be manytemplates. Will there be a State Bank or a Central Bank? Again a template for Russia. Manythings will be cloned. Look at Crimea, for example, a territory which has been liberated.Question: Why was it written into the Constitution of Crimea, that Crimea is under an externalsystem of administration. (i.e. foreign)

Q:I havent read it. Is that what it says?

A:No-one has read it. But someone has written it.

Q:Its those articles about precedence in law. However, if Crimea is part of the RussianFederation, then it subject to the Russian Constitution. Yes, automatically.

A:The important issue now is strengthening the statehood of Donetsk and Lugansk, setting upthe army of these states, equipping the armies, especially as they will need heavy armaments. Ican tell you that Strelkov, for example, he got the system working: Usaian, Ukrainian equipment,including that of the mercenaries. Remember we discussed the fact that mercenaries were

operating the equipment. Well, now TV here has picked it up. We knew about this ages ago.Certain television networks I think theyll quickly wipe this information, because the Usaianswill trace it and give the command to their people in Russia not to publish it. Mercenariesoperate the equipment, because it doesnt require knowledge of Ukrainian or Russian language.They can operate an APC, or a tank, or a plane, or a chopper. By the way, there is informationthat 20 mercenaries have disappeared. I repeat: this is a Usaian counter-insurgency unit, Usaianmilitary personnel, who have been doing the very same role in Syria, Libya and other nations.The fact that Strelkov obtained the means to fight against tanks automatically halted the counter-insurgency operation. None of the people there want to fight a war, including the Usaian soldiers.

Q:Indeed, why would they of all people want to die there, not even knowing what for?

A:I said the size of the army could be 600,000. Even with an army of 50-60,000, which is apeacetime complement, Donetsk and Lugansk are fully capable of defending their territory, and,even with that number, could liberate all Ukraine. Unless NATO comes in. We are discussing,will Putin declare a no-fly zone, and so on, in the absence of NATO. If NATO forces appear, thenin my view such zones are not needed. By being a state they will be able to resolve this problemthemselves. Why wouldnt Donetsk and Lugansk have their own aviation, for example? Thatsnot difficult these days.


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Q:Would Russia be able to provide weapons to this state?

A:Only if they are recognized as a state.

Q:And will they be recognized?

A:I dont think it will be quick. But I think they will be recognized eventually. Why notquickly? Because of the Usaians.

Q:Not quickly means what?

A:Not until the conditions are right. Once Russia is able to purge the fifth column in Moscow

Q:That will be a long time.

A:Hang on, youre living in another dimension. Youre living in the dimension of peacetime.But war has begun.

Q:Not me. Im talking about the majority of people, who, Im afraid, are still living in thedimension of peacetime.

A:Here I dont mean the people. Im talking about the processes, from a historical perspective.Likewise, Im displeased with those who instead of defending their nation, go and releaseballoons on May 1. Although they are defending with words. But Im not talking about that. Imtalking about the dynamics of the processes, which we can make projections about, taking intoaccount peoples upbringing, and their reorientation toward the truth. This is my view fromoutside: The historical process says that wartime is a catalyst. People in Lugansk were notthinking about a referendum even one month ago. They were bringing up their children, going towork. And continue to work in those mines, even for free. These are hard-working people living

in this territory. Then a process started, in which they quickly became informed. During a warsituation the process of people getting informed can happen quickly and everywhere. So youreasking, is Russia ready for this? Well, are Donetsk and Lugansk ready for it? They are givingRussia a head start on the process of forming national statehood. The liberation process inUkraine will inevitably help Putin to purge the fifth column in Russia. Which, by the way,doesnt need all that many people to do. You said the fifth column is large. But we have a lot ofpeople too. The Peoples Liberation Movement (PLM) has 120,000. Supposing that in one yearPLM has 1.2 million people?

Q:It doesnt require many people to effect a purge. One firing squad is enough.

A:No. Firing squad is not an acceptable method.

Q:Why not? Uncle Yosef carried out a purge three times. You know, Putin made a goodcomment about repression some time ago. He talked about those who are zealous for repression,i.e. repressing corrupt officials, shooting them, and so on. During a war, he said, like we are innow, the wrong people get repressed. The corrupt will immediately seize control of themachinery of repression. Those who come out against the fifth column are the ones who will getshot.


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A:Execution becomes a business, with big bucks involved. So it wont be the corrupt officialswho get shot. People with money will get shot in order to pay for the protection of those corruptofficials.

Q:Thats what Putin was saying.

A:One could be corrupt and get shot or not get shot. But thats how it will work. For themoment, Donetsk and Lughansk, whether we want it or not, are setting an example for Russia onpurging the fifth column. Even if it is not characterized in those terms. This aspect is not beingexamined in our media, or generally. But the example is contagious in and of itself. Lets say thePLM has 120,000 members in Russia. Now on the territory of the FSU a further 6 million PLMfolks have popped up. That is what has happened in Ukraine. Because of the processes unfoldingin Ukraine there has been an instant surge in the number of PLM folks, in terms of theirworldview.

Q:So were back to the question, what to do with this surge. I mean, it could be completelyhijacked and led astray.

A:Thats another story. There will be a battle. Look, this is a war. A war is a form of battle wherethere are victims, unlike a battle with no victims, which is not called a war. Im afraid we haveentered a period of Patriotic War, not only on the territory of Ukraine, but on the territory of theRussian Federation too, even if the people here havent realized that. This process, which is stilla cold war in Russia, but a hot war in Ukraine, will lead to one of two outcomes. Either we gounder. Or, if we dont go under, it will lead to purging of the fifth column in Russia, and theresurrection of the national sovereignty of the Russian Federation. Clear and simple.

Q:According to the Usaian assessments, we will lose. They are professionals too.

A:If they are victorious, as they have reckoned, then we are dead. I repeat, tens of millions ofpeople in Russia will be wiped out. Higher than the number in Ukraine. Even though the processof annihilation has begun there already. Its objective is to resolve the historical issue of rivalryagainst Russians. The Anglo-Saxons have been in contention against the Russians for 600 years.Theyre doing this to solve a long-standing problem. Just as Hitler was resolving the historicalproblem of the rivals of the German nation. Thats why he attacked the Soviet Union and France.Here, however, unlike in France, he wanted to solve the problem fundamentally. He said sohimself. The Usaians are doing the very same. Just as they resolved the fundamental problem ofrivalry from the indigenous Usaian population. There were 10 million of them, versus a fewhundred thousand Anglo-Saxons, when they invaded. Now the ratio is reversed. Hundreds ofmillions of them, and a few hundred thousand indigenous. They solved their problem by meansof the law on compulsory sterilization of boys, which was officially in force under Roosevelt,

and by specific state policies. In fact, all of their policies came down to the physical eliminationof people. Although not on camera. It was done professionally, as they call it.

They solved that problem. Similarly they will solve their problem with Russia. Victory by themwill mean our elimination. Im not considering that scenario, because it doesnt interest me froman analytical perspective. Im considering the second scenario: a change in peoplesconsciousness in Russia, as happened before, such that the assessment of the invader turns out tobe incorrect. They had reckoned they were dealing with people of a certain mentality, who enjoy


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releasing balloons and celebrating, while their execution is imminent. In other words, vegetables.They reckoned that the people who live here are vegetables. But after living as vegetables, thesevegetables suddenly transform into a conscious being, and thus begin to act differently than doesa vegetable. Consequently, the projections by the Usaians, based on the number of vegetables,are found to be incorrect.

Q:Its just a question of self-preservation. When someone realizes that theyre about to getkilled

A:Thats what motivates a vegetable to become an intelligent being. But Im talking from theUsaians view, whose information says 140 million cabbages. Suddenly 140 million cabbagesbecome conscious intelligent people, moreover with weapons, and capable of using them, and, atthat, people who love their nation. That was unexpected.

Q:Brave cabbages? Dont make it sound like a movie! Im really not sure about 140 million.That wont happen.

A:Do you have confidence in the 6 million people of Lugansk and Donetsk?

Q:But Evgeny, to get people out onto the streets Thats the most difficult part. I mean, no-oneis Until soldiers in NATO uniforms come up to them, knock on the door and start shootingThats what I see.

A:Understood. So actually, youre saying that there has to be victims before people will wakeup. History doesnt care about people or victims. If history needs victims, then victims there willbe. The task of PLM is to avoid having victims, to wake people up before the shooting does so.

Q:Some will be awakened, but most will

A:Do what needs to be done. What will be will be.

Q:Thats a good way to put it. Thats the right approach. Whether that will lead to the desiredgoal, thats a different issue.

A:Look, there is only one road. On this road, you either go forward or backward. We have takenup a forward position. PLM is the strategic reconnaissance of the nation, roughly speaking. Weare ahead on this road. We know that the road back leads to elimination. Now that WW3 hasbegun, which for us is a Patriotic War, it is now obvious. The nation cannot stand still, as it did acouple of years ago, before they started attacking us. So either the nation goes down the road,pushed by the Usaians, to liquidation, which we agreed we are not going to consider. Thats only

for consideration in a different light: finding yourself a good spot in the graveyard, and so on. Orelse the nation simply has to move forward into the embrace of PLM. Which is what hashappened in Donetsk and Lugansk. So we are waiting for the nation to get itself together anddecide that it wants to live. What happened in Crimea, Lugansk, Donetsk will now happen acrossUkraine, which is part of Greater Russia, as we know. In my view, Lugansk and Donetsk are nodifferent than Tambov and Belgorod.


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Q:Essentially not.

A:Not in any way. The fact that these territories were cut up into occupied zones 20 years agochanges nothing from the perspective of common sense and inner logic. What Im saying is thatif three regions of what we are now calling Greater Russia have awakened, Crimea, Donetsk,Lugansk, then a number of other regions will also awaken. Along with the growth of PLM inRussia there is a process of outright territorial transformation taking place on the principle of anational liberation battle. Sooner or later, consequently, the process will reach Moscow.

Q:What we fear is that even if people wake up, they will be led astray.

A:Hang on, people are being led astray all the time. The fact that the mass media are lying andmisleading people, that is what is happening currently. Waking up means to start going in theright direction. An awakened person is more difficult to mislead. Its not a plank of wood, itssomeone who has started to think. Someone who has begun thinking starts to embody their ownpersonal and historical family wisdom. Thats the meaning of the national liberation battle. Oncethat orientation has formed in peoples heads, it will be put into effect: either on the streets, or in

mechanisms such a referendum for a sovereign Constitution, or in professional manifestations,such as the Russian Sovereignty association of deputies in the Duma, and so on.

Q:In the photos from Odessa we saw girls preparing Molotov cocktails, pouring kerosene intobottles and stopping in a rag. Are these awakened people?

A:This is people zombified by the propaganda of the occupier. In Russia they are all zombies.Dont you see? People here are no different than those girls.

Q:Even people who are prepared to rise up and take up arms will use those arms against thewrong targets. Theyll make Molotov cocktails and throw them at our police. And at Putin, and atnationally orientated people.

A:If they are throwing them at Putin and at nationally orientated people, then that is a Velvet orOrange Revolution, orchestrated by Usaia. That is a foreign invasion into the territory of theRussian Federation. These people will be simply working for the occupier, at the disposal of theoccupier. Those people are not awake, they are asleep. They are not acting consciously. They areacting reflexively under the influence of psyops, which is the job of the mass media, including inRussia.

Q:Thats how it is.

A:Its a different configuration of the forces. Let me put this in military terms. You are saying:

We dont have 100 tanks. We have two. 95 are not ours. Which means they are not ourscurrently.

Q:And those two move and shoot poorly.

A:Remember, option one is death.

Q:Moreover, one of our two tanks could switch sides under that influence.


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A:That scenario means death, which we agreed not to discuss. Today were discussing thesecond scenario: national liberation movement, liberation of the nation from foreign invaders andoccupiers. And youre saying it wont happen.

Q:No. I think it will. But only when the house is burning, so to speak.

A:Its burning already.

Q:Its not burning. Its just warming up.

A:Not true. Its on fire. When people in the Russian world are being killed and roasted, thatmeans our house is on fire. You said that no-one cares about whats happening in Donetsk orTambov. I disagree. I think the processes of conceptual restoration in Russia have begun.

Q:Yes, there has been some movement.

A:The war in Ukraine is the catalyst of this process.

Q:Which brings us back to the question: who will capture these processes?

A:You cant capture what is already under control. The processes are under control via the fifthcolumn in Russia. As the processes evolve, they come out of their control.

Q:You mean that regarding the current dissatisfaction with Putins inaction, people willsomehow figure out by themselves why hes not acting?

A:Who told you hes not acting? The propaganda here is telling you that.

Q:For example, troops have not been sent in. The propaganda is calling that inaction. Theres

no point in sending in troops. People dont understand that.

A:While there are residents of Slavyansk living in Moscow calling for Russian troops to be sent,there is no point in sending them.

Q:I know. But people influenced by the propaganda dont understand. Thats the essence of theissue.

A:Thats their problem. Youre trying to convince me that people want to die. Well, so be it. Youwant to die, go ahead. So to summarize your persistent desire to ascertain the position of peoplein Russia. In my view: the current increase of tension is due to compassionate, patriotic people,and that is what the fifth column wants. I agree: the increased tension, the masses of angry

people, could be exploited in the invaders interests to destroy the peoples own state, andconsequently them. That means unleashing an Orange Revolution in Moscow, as we discussed.Were talking about an invasion of Russia by Usaia beginning next year (2015), like we haveseen in the Ukraine, in Kiev, i.e. an invasion of a terroristic nature. This is what were talkingabout all the time. The methods of invasion will consist of exploiting the fifth column andindignant people in Moscow. The degree of indignation among the people is rising. When we seethat the Russian TV channels have begun to spin the killing of people in Ukraine by the invaderson its territory, but they dont say that it is being done by invaders, in other words, they are


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deceiving people about who ordered this process, that means they are working to prepare anOrange Revolution in Russia. I agree. These TV channels in Russia are preparing an OrangeRevolution: Channel 1, NTV, VGTRK, and so on. Your conclusion is that the invaders willsucceed in realizing the plan to eliminate Russia. According to the PLMs theories, they arepreparing an invasion. You say that this invasion will be successful.

Q:Thats what I fear.

A:I understand. But consider this: Obviously, whenever someone starts a war, they are planningfor success. Otherwise they wouldnt do it. I agree, the Usaians reckon that they will besuccessful with their war, their elimination of Russia, and their murder of the people her

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