ET v DM State # 644-19 & 20 | Feb 7 2006 Transcript Vol 1

8/20/2019 ET v DM State # 644-19 & 20 | Feb 7 2006 Transcript Vol 1

http://slidepdf.com/reader/full/et-v-dm-state-644-19-20-feb-7-2006-transcript-vol-1 1/287

OM ERY v. ETREPPID, DEPT 0F DEFENSEONTG

Case No. CV-N-06-056

SEALED TILANSCRIPT OF HEARJNG OX

IM INARY INJtJNCTION DATED 2-7-2006REL

I1) IN 2ND J'UDICJM DISTRICT COURTVOLUME l OF

,

OF NEVADA, COUNTY OF W ASHOE,

CASE NO. CV06-001 14, DEPT. 9 '

- -

... ..

. .... ..

.... .....

...... -... -

.

Case 3:06-cv-00056-PMP-VPC Document 644-19 Filed 05/28/08 Page 1 of 222



V *-*11 .--- - ---

- -- - .- - - -

.

Y

.- ..- -

1 ' =

2

a - c o sp -j ? . , o: jy jy ;@ 6 ; f'.' (; r. ,

3 -

.

'

.

.

i '

. ..

'

.

' t . . .

.

:1 J5j -:-.'k

- ,

c? z 4 u

. .

.

.

.

rs . .. .

.

. . 2lïl:

, , . , s, jjs sv p,,y y, o y, uuvsops : r. 5 S E C () N D J U D T C l A à , D S P R I C % C O U R 1 ( ) E t

t

I %

== J 4 2 6 t N P

XN () F () R 'l' H E C 0 U H 'l.Y O F W A S i4 O El c' U

,2

.

R 7 I3EE-OREL l'i4F2 HoNtlrtal3t

,

ë- ROBEIRT lt . PIqRRY , UTSTRILC

.

T kluucE 5ra.

> r i s

-

7 =

. (j r) (j g

-

o (.) 0 - :1 1

y.t* a

.

N

.

- ?; œ z

.

J 9 E T R E P P I D T E C H N O Iu C) G T h

S . L - L . C . . (1

N e v a d a L i m i t e d L i a ia i 1

i t y C o m p a n 't' ,

10

Plaintiff ,

11 No

. CV 06-O0114

.

V S .

12 Eept

.

No . 9

'

D E N N I S MO 1$1 T G O M E 1) Y , a n i

n d i v i

d u a 1 ;

.

l 3 T H E MO N T G O M 1 R Y 113 AM ( L Y 14 il (J S T ;

D ENN 1 E; MON T (5 OM El ILY ï4 n d BR El N DA

14 MONTGOME RY , a s 1

r u 25 t e e s f o r 'F P. FS

MONTGOM ERY FAM 1

l

Y 'r R 7 S T , a n d

1 5 DO E S l t h r o u g h

.

'

,

? 0 ,

16 I

.) e f i? n .J a n t s .

/

17

18 S E A L E D

19 VOLUME I of 11

TRANSCR IPT CF PROCZEDINGS

20 HEAR ING - PRRLIMINARY INJUNCTION

21 Tuesday

,

February 7, 2006

22 RENO

,

NEVA LIA

23

.

'

'

.

.

.

21 Reported By : LIZA CHAPEN

, RMR, NV CCR #93

California CSR #2065

L I Z A C HA P E' N , C C R

,

RM R ( 7 7 5 ) 3 2 3 - 5 4 9 2




'

..,.e'

y x-... ;?

l S g) P I 1 A R A )1 C El S

l 2

3 l'' t-) r t) h (a 157 1 a i n t i

f f :

4 H A L R , L A lç E ; P F E K , L) F, N li 1 s O N & H O WA R D

B Y : é J '1' E P H E N J . P Z Fu K , R S Q U 1 R E

5 - - a n d - -

J E R R Y M . S N Y D E R , E S Q U 1 R E

6 5 4 4 'L K L e t z k e i , a n e , ET e C: o n d En l o o r

1 e n o . N ta v a d a 8 9 5 1 1

7 .

8 P I L l

,

S 13 ( J R Y W 1è NT H RO P 3$ HAW P 1 T TMAH

13 Y : D A k; i 13 A . J A KO P 1 H , F S Q U 1 R E

9 ;? 4 7 5 i a n o v e r J t 17 e e t

P a lo th 1 1E ch , C a l i. f o r n i a 9 4 3 0 4 - 1 1 1 4

10

11 F'o r t h e D e f e n (1 a n t s :

1 2 L A W O F' 1? I (- E' S C) F L O G A R & P (J L V E R

r

A P C

B Y : ik O MAL D J . LOGA R , El SQ U 1 R E

l 3 - - a n d - -

E R f C A . P U L V E R , E S Q U I R E

14 2 2 5 S; . lb r' 1 i

n (g t o n A v e n u e , E; u i t e A

IL e n o , N e v a d a 8 9 5 0 l

1 5

FL Y N N & S rg 1) L LMAN

16 R Y : M 1 C i1A E L J

F L Y N N , E S Q U I R E

- -

a rtd - -

17 P /1 I L 'g P H

.

S T J L L MAN y E S Q U I R E

2 2 4 B i qîlrt i ngham D r i ve , S u i t e 1A4

l 8 C a r d i f f , C a l i f o r n

i. a 9 2 0 0 7

19

20

21

22

23

24

LIZA CHAPFN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




-.e xv 3

1 V

-

IJ D .j' X

t 2 Ij

J-T.F R 6; S hl S FO R T H K P lu Jï L hê 14 1 E' à' P YG Z

3 S L OA N V E N A B L E S

D i r e c t E) x a rft i n a t i o ri L) y Ja k o p i n 2 1

4 C r o s s - f: x a m i n a t i o IR b b' F 1 y n n 5 3

Re d i r e c t R x am i n a 12 i o n ia y Ja ko p i

;4 1 3 7

5 R e c r o s s - E x a In î

n a t. i () n i7.y F ). y n n 1 5 4

6

Z E HAN G S U N '

'

7 D i r e c t E x am i n a t â o rl L) y J a ko p i n 17 4

C ro s s - R x a m i n a t i o (R b j' 1? 1 y n n 1 9 2

8

9

10 KEN DALL ROMAN

D .i. r e c t E x a m i n a t i :7 rl k) y J a k o p i n 2 0 3

11 V o 1

r D i r e Ex am i n a t) i c) n t) y F ly n n 2 1 2

C2 o n t i n u e d L) i r e c t F, x :4 m

L 11 a t i o :1 L) y J a k o p i n 2 1 1

l 2 C r o s s - E x am i n a t i o rR b y F 1 y n n 2 1 8

-

Re d i r e c t E x am i n a t: i. o ri b y Ja ko p j

n 2 2 2

13 Rec ross Fxamination hy Flynn 223

14 WARREN TREPP

Direct Examinat ion by Jakop in 22 6

15

16

17

18

19

20

21

22

23

24

LIZA CHAPEN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




.... ''... .

4

1 ?-

-ïu- ..i- l-- M.. -à -T -J-

( 2 MCSIGNATION MFRFRO ADMITTED

3 Exhibit 1 70 --

4 Exh ibit 2 230 235

5 Exh ibit 3 2 38 240

6 Exhibit 4 245 217

7 Exhibit 5 247 248

8 Exhib it 6 253 254

9 Exhibit 7 2 54 256

10

11

12

13

14

15

16

17

18

19

20

21

22

23

( 24

LIZA CHAPEN, CCR: RMR (775) 323-5492




...e. .-...

@$

1 R E N O , N K VA DA , i13 u e F. C1a y , è' e b r t2 a r y 7 : 2 0 0 6 , 9 : 0 1 A . M .

2 - oOo -'

3

4 1' H E C () U R '1' : G o o d nlo r n i n g .

5 Plea s (? i)e seated . nO:01

6 A l 1. r .L (J h t . W e ' r e .L n s e s s i o n f o r

7 C V 0 6 - 0 0 1 1 4 . W e ' 17 e he r e f o r cp h e a r i n g o n a

8 P r e l i m i. n a r y I n j u IR c 1. i o n .

9 Wo u 1c1 c o u n s e l s t a t e yo u r a pp e a r a n c e s f o r

l 0 t h e c o u r t re p o r t: (7 r . 0: :04

11 M R . P lr E' K : G o o d m (3 r n i. n g r y o u r H o n o r .

12 S t e p h e n E' e e k o n L) e h a l f o f t h e P l a i n t i f f ,

'

13 e'P r e pp i d T ec hno lo g i.E, s .

14 A 1 s o w i 1r. l't m e t h i s mo r n i n g , a n d y o u s i g ne d

15 t he o rde r on t h e p r t) h a c v i c e , i s Da v i d Ja kop i n , 00 :o

16 c o - c o u n s e 1 ; D o u g E' r 5, e , lna n a g e r o f e T r e p p i d ; a n d

17 Wa r re n T r epp , a 1.s o rrta n age r a n d ch i e f exe cu h i ve

18 o f f 1 ce r o f e'P re pp i d .

1 9 T H E C O U R T : A 1 1 r i g h t . T h a n k y o u .

20 MR . LOGAR : Yo u r Hon or r i f i t p l ea s e t he o0 : 04

21 C o u r t , I ' m Ro n a ld L o g a r r ep r e s e nt i ng t h e De f e nda n t .

2 2 a lo n g w i t h M r . E r 5 c P u 1 v e r i n m y o f f i c e .

2 3 1 w o u l d l i. k e t o i n t r o d u c e t o y o u a M i c h a e 1

24 J . Flynn .





.. .

6

-#

1 ' M R . F lu Y H N : G o o d In o r n i n (g y y (7 u r il o n o r .

2 MR . LOGA R : M r . F'Lynn is a m embe r o f the

3 M assachuse tt s Ba r. The appl Lcation for adm iasion to

4 pro hac vice has been made .

5 The Massachusetts Bar has sen t a 00:05

6 Certificate of Gocd Standing to the State Bar of

7 Hevada . The State Bar of Nevada has issued its

8 app roval .

9 lt was over-nighted yesterda y to my

10 office. It sho uld be received by Federal Exp ress ao:os

11 about 10 :00 or 10:30 this morning: havinq complied

12 with the Supreme Court rule as to admission , and we

13 a s k t h a t M r . F' A y n 11 be p e rmi 1. t e d t o a p (7 e a r i n t h i s

14 m a t t e r o n b e h a 2 f ( ) f t h e D e f e n d Es n t .

1 5 M R . P E L' K : Y o u r I 1 o n 0 r , 1 w o u l d h a v e n o Q o : 0

l 6 ob j e c t i o n b a s e cl o 11 t 14 a t r eJ) r e s e n t a t i o n t h a t i t i s

17 being over-nig hted and shou ld be h ere today . I

18 accept Mr . Logar 's representation as an officer of

19 this court .

20 So 1 certainly -- although I 've not seen oo:o

21 the pro hac vice application, l expect the Bar to do

22 their job.

23 THE COIJRT: Al1 right. On that basis,

21 that will be fine. We'1l allow that.

L 1 ZA CiIA PFIN , CCR , RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3 - 5 4 9 2




.

.,.. ...., 7

1. M R

L (') CJ h R : A n (-1 t h e IA 1 ' d 1

i k e t o i n t r o d u c e

( 2 Mr. PlRilir) Stillman . Mr. St ktlman is a member in

3 good stancikng o f P()th Lhe Massachusûtts and the State

4 Bar o f Ca lîfornia

.

5 He has mcde application to the State Bar 00

:06

6 of Hevada for admission and approva l p ro hac vice

.

7 His Certificate of Good Standing was sent to the

8 State Bar 's office in Las Vegas yesterday by the

9 State of California

.

10 It 's expected that the State Rar of 00

:06

11 Massachusetts wi

.

l send the Certificate of Good

12 Stand ing to the Las Veqas office today

, and then the

13 Las Vegas office will issue its approval and we

14 expect that withsn the next two days

.

15 The de lay on Mr

.

St illman is due to the 00:06

16 fact that M r

.

Stlllman provided with his application

17 to the State Ba r recent admis sion befo re a Federal

18 Court in the State of California ; however

,

since it

19 was beyond 30 days' tâme of issuance from the date of

20 application, the Stahe Bar said they needed something

:c:qn

21 more current, so that is the --

22 MR

. PFEK : Your Honor, absent the approval

23 by the State Har

,

E would object to his admission

24 until the State Bar has at least had its opportunity





%..e . -s 8

1 t. o v e t a n d r e c e i v E ' , .i. t y o u kl i 1 1. r a n d t h e n a p p r o v e .

f 2 E w o u 1ct () L) j e c t u n L i l t h a L p r o c e s s h a s b e e n

3 a p p r o v e d .

4 M R . S ' J L J=MAN ; Y o u r il o n o r , ma y 1 ?

5 'f il F, C 't.I R'? : N o . M : . L o CJ a E . co :G

6 M R . 1,'3(;A 11 : W e 1 1 , y o u k n ow , yo u i n d i c a t e d

7 t o u s , y o u r H o n o r , w h e n w e h a d o u r me e t i n (g 1 a s t w e e k

8 t h a t y o u h a v e 13 a :i s (lme d i. f f i c u ). t y w i t h t h e

9 r ep r e s e n t a t i o r4 s :) 1 (7c) un s e 1 j. n t h e p a s t .

10 1è do n ' t know how t o re s po nd to t h a t o t he r oo: 07

11 than the fact that Lf there was any indication by way

12 of either Mr . Elynn or Mr. Stillman that there was a

13 problem , the app lécation would not have even been

14 filed , nor would : have considered the association

.

15 1 make the representation to the Court in oo:c

16 good faith and ask that Mr. Stillman be allowed to

17 participate subjact to approval and an order signed

18 b y thks C ourt thts week .

19 MR. PEEK : Your Honor, if this were a

20 situation where there weren tt already able counsel -- 00:0

21 I count four at counsel table right now -- to

22 represent Mr. Montgomery and the Montgomery Trust

,

I

23 probably would not have that objection, and I also

24 knowr respectfulky to Mr. Logar, whose





..., .....- 9

1 rep resentations E accept, buL he does not speak for

2 t h e S t a t e B a r .

3 29 o u n 1n i L t h e FJ t a t e B a r h a s s p o k e n , I 1: h î n k

4 L h a t frt y o b j e c t i o n 1a rï d e r S C-' R R t.h 1 e 1 2 i s w e 1 1 t a k e n a n d

5 shou lcl be hono r e (1 . DD :û8

6 T H E C (3 U R T : W e 1

l , t h e r u 1 e , i f I r e c a 1 1

7 i t , S C R 4 2 , s a ys t 14 ft t unt i 1 app rova 1 and t he o rde r i

s

8 s i g ne d , t. h a t L h e o t4 t: - o f - s t a t e c o u n s e 1 s h a l l n o t b e

9 a 1 l o w e d t o a c t i v (a 1 y p a r t i c i p a L e .

10 1 t h i IR k w i t h t h i s o b j e c t i o n , 1 ' m L) o u n d b y 00 :09

11 t h e r u le s o l c a 14 n () t. - - 1 w j 1

l a 1 1. o w t h e f i r s t

12 g e n t l ema n t o p a r t i (J é

p a t e , b u t 1 c a n n o t. - -

13 M R . L () G A R : I u n d e r s t a n d , y o u r H o n o r

14 T H E O () U R 1' : T f i t w e r e n ' t f o r t he r u le

,

I

l 5 w o u 1 d . 00 : o 9

16 M R . L ()G 1$ R : 1 14 n d e r s t a n d

17 T H E C()U R7' : Bu t o n e o f t h e t h i nq s I 1 m

18 f i n d i n g o u t t h e k o n (; e r 1 ' :(t u p h e r e i s t h e r e a r e a 1 o t

19 o f thing s t h a t j lzdge s t h i n k t he y can do t ha t. , i f you

2 0 r e a d t h e r u le , t h e y c a n ' t , a nd t h i s i s o n e o f t h em

oo :o9

2 1 1 t h i 11 k t h e r u 1 e s a y s '' s h a 1 l n o t

'' a n d

2 2 s o - -

2 3 M R . LOGAR : We 1 l

,

t h a t i s '' p a r t i c i p a t e z ''

24 but I believe that bt 's permissible

,

Mr. Stillman can





.u

.

.. ' --.r 1 ()

> - .. . .. - .-

l confer w ùth us .

2 rl 'H K ''- () U P. '1' : O h , s u r e . 1 d o n ' t. s e e a

3 problem w ith thitl. don't see a problem with being

4 able to ta lk to him .

5 1 th ink that the rule ta lks about 09:99

6 pa rticipate in settlement con fe rence s and various

7 other things, but. 1 cion 't see -- I d onît see that

8 the re w ould be any reason why you couldn 't confer

9 with h im .

10 MR. PEEK: And 1 have no objection to him 00:09

11 s itting before the Bar either, your Honor.

12 TH E C()URT: Righ t.

13 MR. PEEK: It's just a matter of

14 partictpating .

15 THE t''CIUFT : Well, I'm hop eful that welre norlo

16 not go ing to have , you know, every time there 's a

17 argumen t, that eve ry lawyer on each s ide is going to

18 speak, anyway; f'd like to try Lo keep it a little

19 bit more o rganized than that .

20 So I thin k thak we bre going to have som e 0o:1a

21 conferencing on :,0th sides .

22 MR. PEEK : Your Honor

,

with that in mind,

23 1 1m mindful of that rule and generally what I have

, p21 seen is that if 1 m presenting a witness

r

I m the one





.,.... - ,.

k

) 1

1 ma k i- n g t h e 0 b j e c 1) i û) n ; i f M r . Ja ko p i n i s p r e s e n L i- n c.l

2 the witness, he's the one maktng the objection.

3 1 assum e that that wîll be th e procedural

4 order of this Court. today , that whoever is presenting

5 that witness or cross-examin ing will be the one 00:::

6 making the objections.

7 'l'HE COURT: A 11 light . Yes, 1fd li ke to

8 try to do that just for the purpose of order and

9 organ ization.

10 A gain , you know , i'm in terested m ostly in oû:lo

11 find ing out what the truth bs here and so that 5s the

12 first qoal; procedu ral propr ietary is the second one.

13 So, you know , if something comes up that

14 somebody needs to say somethinq and it 's not

15 something that we fre doing a l1 day long, that fs fine . 00:11

16 So w izh that in m ind r M r . Peek, are you

17 read y to p roceed ?

18 MR. PEEK: We are ready to proceedr your

19 Honor .

20 THE COURT : A ll right. eu:1

21 MR . FLYNN : Good morning, your Honor.

22 Thank you for granting my adm ission .

23 Before we proceed, 1 need to add ress the

. 24 Court about an u rgent and immediate procedural

LIZA CHAPEN: CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




-.

., -d . -...-y rk ;4

.

1 p r o b 1 e Ia w î

t h r e Cg a r d t) () h 0 w w (? p r o (7 e e d .

2 T H R C. () U R 1' : Tb 1 1

r i. q h t) .

3 M R . F iu Y H t4 : A ;1 d 1 ' ::t g o i n (; t o b e 1 .i. m i t e d a s

4 to how much 1 can flesh out t)o the C ou rt b eca use of

5 the na ture o f whitt 1 'm gotng to desc rib e to the 00:11

6 C ou rt .

7 Let me preface my remarks by saying that

8 what we lre involved in here is of the highest, most

9 secretive , mo st urgent, m ost imm edia te cla ssifîed

10 security information that I think, after the Court 00:12

11 gets an idea what. it is, will agree w ith m e, that can

12 be possibly imagined by this Oourt

.

13 So a t the outset , we 're deal tng w ùth the

14 fact that who has a security clea rance in the

15 courtroom and who does n ots because everything 1'm 00:12

16 go ing to describe persphe raliy involves this secret

17 inform ation which goes to the heart

,

the core issues

18 of what this Court has to decide, including the core

19 issue of what proprietary information is involved and

20 who owns it . oo:w

21 The dichotomy existent within eTreppid

22 Technolog ies: between the original deal that was made

23 under the Contribution Agreement

, which I understand

24 the Court has seen

,

for data compression technology

LIZA CHAPZN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




.. ...., 1 ;

l has been m erqed into b y the Plaintiff.

t 2 MR. PCFK: Your Honor, I --

3 M R . F LYI1II: The itssues --

4 MR. PZFK: 1 appreciate counsel's

5 eloquence, bu t thjs is not a filibuster. lf there 's 00:13

6 a motion to be Inacle, Inake a lnotion.

7 You asked if I was ready to p roceed; I'm

8 ready to p roceed on m y motion .

9 lf thele 's a motion to be made, as opposed

10 to the superlativi.s and the filibuster, 1'd like to 00:13

11 hear the motion so that we can address if hhere is a

12 motion of urgency to be made, but otherwise I 'd like

13 to proceed with my case .

14 The Cou rt told us we only have today to do

15 this. We have already had over tw o weeks o f dela y on:1

16 from Mr . Montgomery and 1 don 't want one more delay.

17 So I wcuatcl app reckate, you r Honor , this is

18 my case, I 'd like to proceed with my case .

19 THE CDURT : A1l right . I believe he 's

20 prefacing what he's saying as a preface to some kind 00:1

21 of a request or motion .

22 MR . FLYNN: That 's correct, your Honor.

23 If the Court will indulge me --

' r 4 T H E C O I ) R 2 : 1 w i 1 1

.

LIZA CHAPEH, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




q... .x :1.. . (k. zî

l r

l M R . F L b' N N : - - f () r f i v e m i.n u t e s .

t 2 '? H E C C)11 R'r : 1 w i 1 1 . G o a h e ad .

3 M R . F L h'' )1 H : T h e d j. c h o t o m y t h a t e x i s t s i n

4 e T r e pp i cl #3 e t. w e e n 12 #1 e t e c h n o L o g y t h a t wa s t h e s u b 1 e c t

5 o f t h e C o n t2 r i b l.l t i f) n t'.L q r e em e n t a nd t. h e mo s t c la s s i f ï e d oo : 1

6 i n f o rm a t i. o n r e 1. a t i n (q t o t h e t e cr h n o l o g y t h a t ' s a t t h e

7 c o r e o f t h i s c a s e i. s t h e p ro b l 6) m .

8 We cro u L d p r oce ed , (E be 1 i. eve , up t o

9 D e c e m b e r 1 9 t h , J? () 13 2 , J. n () p e n c o u r t , a s 1 o n g a s t 1n e

10 court is sealed and perhaps no one else other than 00:1

11 the deputy sherj ff, the clerk, and the court

12 repo rte r. 1 thînk we 're safe there as long as the

13 courtroom is sealed even during that p hase .

14 Once we reach 2002, 1 th ink the C ou rt is

15 going ho have to cond uct some Lype of a procedure , 00:

16 and I've been thinking all night what you could do ,

17 and the only thinq I can come up with, because of the

18 natu re of this inform ation , is for you alone to take

19 Mr. Trepp and Mr . Montgomery into chamb ers with a

20 sworn confidentiality oath by your Honor, under oath, 00:

21 and have them basically explain what is involved .

22 I think the Court will then see that it is

23 absolutely impossibke, given the national security

t 24 interests involved, right now, this minutey today,





'..

.-..Y '- . % I ) ,

1 for the C ourt to even issue any type o f an o rde r or

î 2 findings, given thc nature of the issues Vnvolved,

3 because 1 would sublrit to the Court that the national

4 security interests preempt Judicial intervention in

5 this Court , and that 's a strong statem ent . O0:1b

6 1 bel Eeve that the entire proceed ings have

7 to ultimate ly go over to the Fede ral Court, be sealed

8 in the Federal Court, and even then how they are

9 going to be able to proceed is frankly a mystery to

10 me , your Honor . 00:15

11 So here 's what 1 - - he re is w hat the

12 defense recomm ends : Let the Pla intiff go forward to

13 December '02 . I 've got a ch ronology that 1 can qive

14 to the Court which w ill basical ly outline the

15 impending p rob lems . 00:16

16 Once we reach December '02 we 're going

17 into th e h eart o g cla ssified ma te rial . At th at

18 point: I don lt know how we can proceed except for the

19 Court to take M r. Trepp and M r. Montgomery into

20 chamb ers and inquire into the nature of the material . oo:t6

21 THE COURT: Well, let's see how it goes .

22 My thought , and again, I 1m probably the

23 least educated individual in the court room as far as

. 24 what this involves, but my thought is that welre not

LIZA CHAPEN, CCRZ RMR (775) 323-5492




.,

.

.1. . . 1 6

.

) I

1 h e r e n e c e s s a r i 1 v t c) t a 1 k a b () 1.1 t t h e c o n t e n t o f

4 2 whatev er ''itu is, but the ownership and the right to

3 possession of ''2t ,'' and so 2

t would seem to m e, and I

4 don't know Lhis yet, but it would seem to me that we

5 can ta lk ahout a11 o f those issues and perhap s ma ke a oa:

6 determination on those issues without even talking

7 about whah the contents of ''it'' are, and if I 'm

8 wrong, then you can explain that to me, and if I

9 agree with you, then 1 agree with you .

10 So Y 'd like to go ahead and give it a 00:

11 shot .

12 Secondly, I w ould like to have some

13 reference to some case law

,

a statutory law, some

14 other author itg that says that -- that

,

o n e ,

15 ident ifies this as classified ; two

,

tells us what 00:

16 level of class ification tha t it has ; Lhree

,

by whom ;

17 and then some kind of statutory case Yaw or other

18 documentation that would tell us that it was not

19 proper for me to proceed, for us to proceed in this

20 court, and if 1'm persuaded that that 's right

,

then ont

21 certainly 1111 foklow the ru les

.

22 I'm surprised I haven't heard from the

23 federal government y if they have such a concern

,

but

24 maybe you can add

ress that .

LIZA CHAPFN, CCR: RMR (775) 323-5492




....- A ' .- . IJ

) i.-

l MR . FLYNH : Thts information is so

t 2 secretive, and so compartmentalîzed w ithin the

3 federak gove rnmtanl, that there are very few

4 individuals with in the federal government that have

5 access to it . n0:1

6 I w ill tell the Court in open court what

7 is involved , invoqved daily br iefings to President

8 Bush ove r the last two yearst daily briefkng s

.

9 A nd with regard to your Honor 's other

10 p oint covering the ''ih'' without getting in to the o0:l

11 content, the ''i t'' is the conte nt

.

12 THE COUFT : We '11 see

.

13 MR . LOGAR: Your Honor

r

we would like to

14 invoke the rulo as; 1:0 exclusion of witn esses for

15 sealing and everything we can do to protect the 00:1

16 integrity o f these proceedinqs

.

17 THE CO URT : A l1 riqh t

.

I don 't know the

18 gentleman seated in the front row back there

.

19 M R. PEEK: He's a witness of ours

,

your

20 Honor . He w ill shep out

.

eo:1

21 THE COURT : A1l right

.

22 MR . PEEK: 1 don 't know who the other --

23 THE COURT : And the other gentleman is my

24 1aw clerk. He will observe the order that I will

L 1q ZA CHA PEN , CCR, RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 3 2 3 - 5 4 9 2




.,.,. . ..., l 8

1 m a k e h e r e w i- t lQ ' e q ci r cl t o c o n f i (1e rA t i a l i t y .

2 MR . PEEK; Your ilonor, we will have an

3 expe rt who will com e in, and 1 would like him , of

4 course , to sit in .

5 i think it's approp riate to have an expert oa:1

6 Lo at least sit in on rebuttal, if necessary .

7 MR . E'LYHN: Your Honor, 1 thin k Mr . Frye,

8 unless he 's the firsl. w itness, should be removed from

9 the courtroom .

10 MR . PEEK: Your Honor, he 's a client . 00:1

11 He 's a private cl ient . He 's a m ember m anager of the

12 compan y.

13 THE COUHT : He can stay.

14 MR. PEF.K: Your Hono r, respectfully to

15 what coun sel had said earlier I ta ke th at also to be cQ:1

16 that they would at keast offer a stkpu kation that the

17 p roceedin gs conclucted here toda ys the a ffidavits that

18 have been previously subm itted under seal, and the

19 transcript of these proceed ing s m ay remain

20 confidential , and may be sealed by this Court only to 00:1

21 be op ened upo n motion --

22 THE CODRT : Well --

23 MR. PEEK: -- and that nothing other than

24 that which is stated here today can go any farther,





.....

) w

.

/.- 1 9

1

a n d I s a y h h a t '- - a IA d 1 ' Irt c u r i o u s t o h e a r c o u n s e 1

' s

2 arqumen t, when we certainly , last Wednesd ay, heard

3 much ab outo '11 neecj ho be ab le to talk ab out my

4 tech no logy to be cahle to sell my technolog yy'' and

5 if -- we bad , as ycu recall, mu ch ado about w hat the 00:2

6 ability was to discuss w ith others, so 1 111 take that

7 as a stipulat i6n and 1'd ask the Court to enter that

8 kind of an order.

9 T dR COURT : Wekk, T'm happy to do that on

10 the record right now and I will enter that order and 00:2

11 it is entered Lrt ttàe record

.

12 Does that contain, ror the moment

v al1 of

13 the issues that you wanted to address with regard to

14 confidentiatity?

15 A nd I would ask that

,

in addition, that 00:2

16 you prep are some Uype of a stipu Lation that meets the

17 conce rns you a rticulated a m inute ago

,

first p resent

18 it to the other sider present it to me

, and then 1'11

19 review it, and particularly, if you have reference to

20 any statutory authority or anything else

,

put that in 00:2

21 the stipulation and order

,

and 1 :11 take a look at it

22 and sign it, more likely than not

,

particularly if

23 a11 sides -- if both side s approve

.

ï 24 MR. F'LYNN: We 're happy to do it

, your





u..#. q :' w .j 2 0

-

.

f

.- .- . - - . - -

z'

- -

1 Honor .

i 2 We w il l prepare the stipulation . The

3 problem will beconzeo as your Honor will hope fully be

4 able to lea rn during these proceedings, that even the

5 attorneys cannot be given access to this inform ation . u0:

6 THE C.OURT : Do you ha ve acces s to it?

' 7 MR . FLYNN : 1 hav e lim ited accessz enough

8 to conduct the proceedings .

9 THR C-G URT : Do you have --

10 MR . FLYNN : Do I have com plete access? oa:

11 Absolutely not .

12 THE OOURT: Do you have a se cur ity

13 clearance o f anv kînd?

14 MR . FLYNN : Ho, and neither does -- do the

15 gentlemen on the other side of the aisle

.

:0:

16 MR . PE HK: And, your Honor , T don't have

17 access to the material and I have not h ad access to

18 the material because the source code has been deleted

19 from our file and taken from our premise s

.

20 THE COURT : A11 righh . Well, you know z I 0Q:

21 don 't have enough information right yet to know -- to

22 make an intelligent --

23 MR . PEEK : 1 will review the stipulation

,

( 24 your Honor --





....,

j ' ...v) 2 1

1 T i4 E (-- O

l 1? T : A l 1 1: L g h t .

2 MR . PEKH ; -- and make su re that it bsn 't

3 too overly broaci, Lqecause what f'm hearing here

4 today, 1 think, maybe too overly broad .

5 THE COUPT : Well, we 'll see. 09:2

6 MR . PEF'K : Wjth that in mind, your Honor,

7 Mr. Jakopin wilq be presenting the first witness .

8 THE COUHT: A1l rtght . Let 's go.

9 (The witness was sworn.)

10 THE COURT : Plea se take the witness stand . 00:2

11 A s a preliminary matter, for the reco rdr

12 not only are the parties and counsel but court staffz

13 as we llz and 1 inczude m yself in this, are instructed

14 that anythâng that 's sajd or done here in this

15 courtroom tod ay, pending the submission and approval 00:2

16 of an order r is confidential and will not be

17 discussed with third parties outside of the

18 courtroom y ex cept to the extent that it needs to be

19 discussed with w itnesses and experts with regard

20 specifically to the pursuit of the proceedinqs in 00:2

21 this particular case .

22 Go ahead .

23 MR. JAKOPIN : Did you swear the witness?

( 24 (Discussion off the record.)

L I ZA C HA PF'N , C C R , RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 3 2 3 - 5 4 9 2




'....+. ) . w '

.

,.

l

.-

2 2

1 S L O A N V El N A F$ la E E; ;

2 c a 1

l e d a s a w j- t n e s :5 , h a v i 11 q t) e e n f .i. r s t d u l y s w o r n ,

3 t. e s t i

f i ed a s f'o 1 lows :

4

5 D I R KC T KXAM I N AT 1 ON

6 B Y M R . JA KO P 1 N :

7 Q . Y o u r n a me , p 1 e a s e .

8 A . S 1 o a It %' e IR a b le s .

9 Q . Wh e r e do yo u r e s i de ?

10 A . 1 n t 91 e V i r g i n i a (2 i t y H i q h 1 a n d s . nn :2

11 T H El R E PG RT El R : W o 14 1 d y o u s p e l 1 yo u r n ame

12 f o r m e , p 1 e a s e .

1 3 T H EI èl I '1. N E S S : F i r s t n a m e r S - 1 - o - a - n ; 1 a s L

14 n a m e - -

15 MR . IaOGA R : You r Ho no r , 1 ' m s o r r y

1 ' m 00:2

16 havi ng di f f i c u 1 t) y h e a r i nq t lïe w i t ne s s

.

C ou ld he us e

17 t he m i c rophon e , p le a s e .

18 T H E C O U RT : H o p e f u 1 1 y i t w o r k s .

19 W h y ct o n ' t; yo u t r y t o s p e a k up a n d t r y t o

2 0 u s e the m i croph one . no:

2 1 W e h a d s o m e d i f f i c u lt y w i t h

.

i. t 1 a s t w e e k ;

22 i s i t wo r k i n g n o w ?

2 3 T H E E$ A I L 1( F F : (E s t h e b u t t

o n b e 1 o w yo u o n

24 the left-hand sâde, on the ground

,

is it on? Is it

LI ZA CIIAPEI.I , CCR , RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3- 54 92




,.v

) ' ...' 2 3r

,'

.- --- .- -.

1 1it up ?

( 2 T H El (- O tl lk 'l' : Y e s .

3 T H E BA 1 J-. 1 F F : T h e IA r i t s h o u ld b e w o r k i n g .

4 T H E: C O tl Fk T : O k a y .

5 T H E W 1 T N E) S S : C a IA y :) u h e a r frte ? 00 :2

6 T H E i3A 1. f-. f P' F : lç o w , t r y i- t .

7 T H F C O LJ R T : T h e r e w e (7 o . '

8 T H E 1h1 1 73 N E S S : H o àq a b o u t n o w ?

9 Lasl name r V-e-n-a-b-l-e-s .

1 0 T H E C- O t) R 77 : A l l r L g h t . M r . V e n a b 1 e s , j u s t o () :2

1 1 t. r y t o s p e a k u p a ) i t. t l e b i t , t o o .

12 T H E W I 13 N El S S : A 1 1 r i g h t .

13 THE I3AILIiMF: You have a v olume control,

14 your Honor, right up by your own spe aker .

15 THE COURT : A 11 righh. H ow is that? 00:

16 THE W ITNFSS: How about now?

17 THE COURT : Ye ah , I think that ls batter .

18 MR . LOGAR : T hat 's better .

19 MR . PEEK : Thank you, you r Honor .

20 THE COURT : Okay. 00:

21 BY MR . JAKOPIN :

22 Q. Can you describe your educational

23 background since high school?

f 24 A. Since high school, I went to UC Berkeley

LIZA CHAPEN, CCR, RMR (775 ) 323-5492




A.-#' N-

j . - j c .-),- ' -/. s'- V-x- jz-osc w

(L-owcl- A7p

' tr t/olo -() c' , / &/

( - kaxws

u

-

)

)

x.

.

4.. % zu

a y . o

..

*

.

. ....

.

y t d.p-mx-'vc-c

,

yj -, (3 ,vx s -i zAq 'm 9-'-

--T-xx.-s Llc.- f- o (

,

) / 7 .2. o

(b //

(/' '> .7 %

h

,

/ () rA

'*

fl C Z GY / ''

.

1-rA y, j . oos.j.-

: , 4..44. t pu. ,S() '

-? c

/ i

yg ()y d. -- (

.z- :y y y , , / g

jj /, v' (;' ; b G- '...-2 ..-zw' . '') ù. /'k /ft

.

-

.

.z-

1

;'(- -.-a . . -,-

, z

,

C %

U




24

1 briefly, or for three years; then

r f went to graphic

'

'

2 design school, learned 3D modeling and c

omputer

3 programm inq ; artd s ince then

, I've been self-taught in

4 computer programming

.

5 M R

.

JAKOPIN : You r Honor

,

our exp ert is :::

6 outside and the bailiff is not pe

rmitting him to come

7 in .

8 Can we have permissi

on to have him come

9 into the courtroom and attend th

e proceedings?

10 THE COURT: A11 ri

ght. If11 allow him

r oo:

11 and any expert for the other sid

e , to o, if youfve got

12 one .

; 13 MR

.

FLYNN : We have no expert at the

14 present time

w your Honor.

15 We object

.

Under the documents that n

0:2

16 Mr. Trepp and Mr

.

Montgomery sLgned with the

17 department of th

e U .S . Gov ernment

18 involved in this case

,

they would be p recLuded from

19 confiding anythâng to any exp

ert .

20 THE COURT: Welk

, I've got to see the 00

:2

21 documents

.

I've got to see some authority

.

Unless I

22 do, I'm going to permit him t

o be here .

23 MR

.

FLYNN : No r has he been disclosed t

o

24 us, your Honor

.

LIZA CHAPEN: CCR

,

RMR (775) 323-5492




or

) :- ) 2 b

,

.- - - - - - - - -

.

-

1 T 11 F: (- C) ( 1 R T : 1 ' l'rt l:J t i 1 1 g o i n g t o p e r m i t h i

m r

d 2 a b s e n t b e t n g p t: 0 v i- cl e d w i t /1 t h o s e d o c u m e n t s a n d

3 m a t e r i a 1 .

4 M R - F 1.Y N N : Y o u r' 5 o n o r w i 1 1 n o t e m y

5 o b j e c t. 1 o n . nO :

6 T Fl E t O IJ R T : A l k r i g h t . 1 L ' s n o t. e d .

7 G o a IR e ét ct . '

8 MR . .7Jh K() P 1 N : T h a n k y o u , yo u r H o n o r .

9 13 Y M R . JA K O P I N :

10 Q . C a n y o u d e s c r i b e y o u r e m p 1 o yme n t f r o m t h e 00 :

11 time you finished schooling up unti) eTreppid,

12 briefly.

13 A. l w orkecl most recently before eT repp id for

11 abouh ten years in the video game industry making

15 computer qames from the PC platform . lnitially , I 00:

16 was a 3-D modeler and then later on as a programmer

.

17 My most recent job before coming to

18 eTrepp idr 1 wa s a lead p rogrammer on the last couple

19 of v ideo game s made for electronic cards .

20 Q. And you began working at eTreppid when? no:

21 A . In Decemb er of '99

.

22 Q . And were you one of the first employees?

23 A . That 's correct

.

t

24 Q . Who was working there at the time you





)...,,..) : .h...-r 2 6

l s 12 a r t e d ?

2 A . D e rl :1 i s 2.1 o n t CJ o (rt e r y ; iè i F; s o n r B r i. a n

3 M o n t g o m e r y ; a rè ' i t h e y h a d t h r e e c o n t 1' a c t o r i n d i

a n

4 n a t i o n a 1. s U h a tz zt r e n o 1 o n (J e r t il e r e .

5 T h e y' w e r e j u s t b r i. e f 1. y t. h e r e t h e f i r s t. u: : 2

6 y e a r t h a t I w o i:' )2 e cl t) h e r e .

7 Q . A n d w h e n y o u L) e (g a n , w h a t p o s i t i o n d i d y o u

8 h av e w i t h t h e .:r omp a n y ?

9 A . 1 w a :; j n i t. i a 1 l y h i. r e d t o b e a d i r e c t o r o f

10 g ame de ve lopme n t) . 1) b r o u g h t m'g v i de o g a me t e c h n o lo g )fr 00 :2

11 that I developE?tl on my own with me and sub licensed it

12 to eTreppid an:y continued further development on it

13 for a gam e thal: we wouid someday release from th e

14 company .

15 Q . So when you worked at eTreppid, then what 00:2

16 did you do?

17 A . Gradually too k on mo re taskss began doing

18 a11 the IT work for the company, a11 the e-mail, the

19 WEBSERVER , al1 the ne twork infrastructure , g radually

20 took on al1 the hardware p urchasing v a1l the hardware :::2

21 development.

22 Most: recently, in the past two years, I've

23 taken on the role of our facility security officer.

24 I maintain al1 of the security ctearances and the

L I ZA C1.IA Pi''N , CCR r RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3- 5 4 9 2




. .v 2 7.'- )

l f a c i 1. i t y s e c u r i t. y c ) e a r a n c e s a n d p r o c e d u r e s .

( 2 Q. You wolk with a 1ot o f different kind of

3 electronic information, correct?

4 A . That:'s riqht.

5 Q. Coukd you describe some of the differenh 0:.2

6 types of inforlnatîon that is stored ah the company

7 premises?

8 A . We have, first o f atl, the sou rce code

,

9 which is a -- basically, source cord is a 1ot of text

10 files that is compâled into an actual runable oa:z

11 program; a1l og the tools that we use to develop the

12 source code, wh icb is usually th krd-party software

,

13 Microsoft deve Loped programs; also a11 the other

14 third-party software that we use

,

the operating

15 system s, other tocls for developing

. 00:2

16 So a l1 that stuff is stored

,

as well as

17 sample files that we use to run our code on; images

,

18 movies , bit maps , all kinds o f files

.

19 Q. Are there certain files that are

20 classified files, and there's ohher files that are 00:2

21 not?

22 A . That's correct

,

based on where the con tent

23 came from and who we received it from

.

24 Usually, a source code isn't classified

.

L 1 ZA CHAPEN t CCR , RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3- 5 4 9 2




.-.

) f->.-y 2 8

) .

1 So far we haven't had any classified

( 2 s o u r c e c o d e s b tl t t ln (? b i t ma rn i. ma g e s o r f r a me s o f

3 p .. c t u r e s il a v e b () e n c 1 a s s i f i. e d .

4 Q . T h a t w o u ld n o t b e a 1 1 i ma g e s , b u t j u s t

5 c e r t a i n o n e s ? oo :2

6 A . T h a t ' s c o r r e c t .

'

7 Q . Wh e n y c) u s a y t h e e T r e p p i d s o u r c e c o d e ,

8 w h a t a r e y o u r e f e z' r .t :1 g t o ?

9 A . T h e El c t u a 1 C + + f i le s t h a t a r e u s e d t o b e

10 comp i. 1ed 5. nt o t #1e s o f t. wa r e we deve 1 op . oa:2

11 Q . And wh c) w r î t e s t #1a t s our ce c o de ?

12 A . V a r i o u s; (3 r o g r a frkm e r s i n t h e b u i 1 d i n (g .

13 Q . H a v e yc) u w r 1. t t e n s ome o f t h a t s o u r c e c ode '?

14 A . N o t 13 o 1' a w h i 1 e .

15 The last stuff I worked on was about 2002

.

:0:

16 1 worked on a player that we developed for a project

17 w ith Inte l .

18 I 've also worked on the game engine over

19 the years that we developed .

20 O ther than that, I haven 't . Qo:

21 Q. Are you responsible for backing up any

22 information at the company?

23 A . I back up al1 of our servers that run a1l

24 of our infrastructure, our e-mail, our web sites, but





j....- y) ('..p 2 9

l 1 d o n ' t d o a n y C) f t h e s o u r c c) c 0 d e b a c k u p ; t h a t w a s

2 a 1 1 M r . M o n t (g om (? r j: ' 54 j o b .

3 Q . A n d h o bn' l o n () h a v e y (3 u b e e n d o i n g t 14 a t ?

4 A . P r e L t

y rn u (:h f r (?m t h e 17 e g i n n i n g ; t h e p a s t

5 s i )( y e a r s . 0 0

:3

6 Q. And why do you back up that info rmation?

7 A . Hardware always faiis

.

You 've goL to have

8 a backup so you can recover from it

.

9 I haven 'h iost a file since we 've been in

10 existence . Hardware always tends to fail from 00

:3

11 overheating or what have you

,

n'echanical failure so

12 bf you don 't have backups

, you won't be able to

13 recove r from it

.

14 Q. Now, is it your understanding hhat the

15 company backed up its source co de for the same

oo:3

16 reason?

17 A. Right

.

18 Q. Up untjl recently

,

had the company ever

19 lost any of the source code?

20 A . Not to my knowledge

. 0o:a

21 Q. Is there anyone other hhan Mr

.

Montçomery

22 that was responsible for backinq up the source code?

23 A . No.

24 Q. For how long had he been responsible for





r. ..,., . ' '.- 3 0 $

.

- - .- -

-

z-

1 backing up the source codo ?

2 A . F r oln t h e b e (7 î

n n i n g .

3 Q . W a s àl e a 1 s o r e s p o n s L b 1 e f o r ma i n t a i n i n cl

4 t h e s o u r c e c o d e ?

5 A . A s f a r a s 1è k n o w , t IR a t

w a s i4 i s j o b . 90 : 3

6 Q . H ow hra s i

t ma i. n t a i n e d '?

7 A . W e h a v .2 a s t r u c t u re . a f i l e s y s t em

8 s t r u c t u r e o n o I

1 r. s e r v e r w h e r e w e k e p t i t a n d i t

9 stored varîou s m ethods underneath Lhe -- our folder

10 stru ctu re . aoi3

11 We have our cucrent pcojects. Each

12 project had a subfozder. We also have a subsystem

13 of -- a11 the proq rammers in the buildinq have

14 locations where only they can access and store theîr

15 projects. oû:;

16 So al1 this file structure is a11 stored

17 on one of our servers that Mr

. Montgom ery backed up

18 to another set of machines in ou r separate location

.

19 Q. Was there a name for that server that you

20 were just talking about? ao:3

21 A . We call it the source server

,

abbreviated

22 SRC , S-E-R-V-E-R

.

23 Q. Who had access to the source code that was

'

21 on that SRCSERVER'?





T f ) -

.

.- .- -- -

'

.

. ..

1 A . W e ln a V e d i f f e r e A t l e ve 1 s o f a c c e s s

2 The physicat access

,

it 's in a room that's

3 been kocked that'

on ky have -- i believe , five or skx

4 people had the key to

.

5 Log-on access

,

only Mr . Montgomery and L 00:

6 had the password to it

.

7 Netwo rk access

, various programmers in the

8 bu ilding had ciifferent file -share level permissions

9 to the folders, but none of them had a full access --

10 full permissicns to the file levels under network 0a:

11 sharing ; they had modified

,

which means they can add

12 but they can 't de Lete

.

13 Full access leve l was only for

14 Mr . M ontgome ry and me

,

15 Q. And hcw was that put into place? 00

:

16 A. We had an Eff

, what we call our eTreppid

17 admknist rator account

,

wh ieh onvy M r. Montgom ery and

18 I had the passw ord for

.

19 Only with that user account that you could

20 get on and log on and change these pe rm issions; cc

1

21 otherwise , you have to go through the networking and

22 you're subject to all the permissions that we've set

23 up .

i 24 Q. Was there a server other than the





.,..., r 3 2 f '-1

1 E; RC S E RV E IR t h a t yo u w e r e r e f e r r i n g t o ?

p 2 A. We had another server, a couple -- wellf

3 w e h a v e s e v e r a 1 s e r ve r s i n t h e b u i l d i n g ; n o t a 1 l o f

4 t h e m u s e o u r s o tz r c: e cr o d e . F, - m dh i L s e r v e r s s fa r v e r s

5 t h a t r u n t h e i IR f r a s t. r u c t u r e o f o u c n e t w o r k . aa :3

6 We have another server for storing a1l the

7 third-party tools that we do, and another server that

8 1 had recently set up, in the past four months, tha t

9 was used for a backup to tho SRCSFRVFR.

10 Q. Did all of these servers get accessed with :0:3

11 the eTreppid administrator password?

12 A. A1l the servers are only logged on with

13 the eTreppid administrator account , that 's right .

14 Q. And jt was only the two of you that had

15 acc e s s to a 11 o 17 t ho s e ? oo:a

16 A . That 's right . Not even Mr . Trepp knew the

17 passwo rd to the adm inistrator account .

18 Q. About how large were the total eTreppid

19 source cod e files?

20 A . W ell, from my recollec tion of do ing a on:

21 backup som e time back, and also l did another backup

22 in the middle of December, it was about 200 gigab ytes

23 on the SRC SERVER that was copied over to my other

24 backup server which I call an ISASERVER .





X '=' 3 ?

- - - - - ..- .

'

.

2- .

l Q. And how large is the memory capacity of

2 the ISASFRVER ?

3 A . We llr tho actu al memory i.s separate from

4 the hard drive space . There 's -- a1 1 o f our servers

5 have about one Lo two gigab ytes o f memory, but that 's oa:

6 just random access memory.

7 The hard drive space on the SRCSERVER is

8 about -- just shy of three terabytes. My ISASERVER

9 is just over fouz terabytes, but we weren't ussng

10 anywhe re near the capacity on e ith er one o f those . aoL

11 Q . You had mentioned some other work stations

12 that had been used for backtng up the eTreppid source

13 code?

14 A . 1 bu Llt two work station s that we kept out

15 in our wa reho use axea that had , ea ch of them, 0::

16 attached storag e box , what we call RA ID sto rage box

.

17 Each o f those stored about 1 .7 , 1

.

8 terabyt es .

18 Those are used to back up what was on

19 SRCSERVER .

20 Those backups were made by Mr

.

M ontgom ery oo:

21 on a regular basis.

22 Q . As ofr say, around December 21st, 2005 --

23 A. Uh-huh .

$ 24 Q. -- what was your understanding of where

L I ZA C HA P E N r C C R , RM R ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3 - 5 4 9 2




w. ( x.x 34

1 c omp l e t e c o p i e s o 1' t h e s o u r c e c o (:1 e e x i

s 1u e d a t

2 eT repp id?

3 A . A s Fcar as I know , there was the comp lete

4 original copy on the SRCSERVER , as well as copies on

5 each o f these two work stations tn ou r w arehouse

.

on:3

6 The work stations in the warehouse also

7 had copies of a ll the hard drkves o f alY the

8 programmers in the building .

9 Thoset were cop Les made by M r

. Montgomery

10 on a fairly regular basis. 1 had seen him doing it o0:3

11 pretty often , mu ltip le tkme s a week over the past

12 several years .

13 Q. You had Aentioned an IGASERVER; was tt

14 also sto red there ?

15 A . Up unt àl December 21st

,

that was just ùn eQ:a

16 testing .

17 On Dectam ber 21st

, I made a copy of

18 everything on SRCSERVER

. I was going on a trip on

19 December 22nd for the holidays

,

I went ou t of the

20 countryz and I started copies

,

part of them completed 00:3

21 before I left on the 21st

.

22 I was there until about 11:00 o 'clock on

23 the night of the 21st finish ing up the copies

, and

t 24 when I left some of them were still going

.





x ( m ' 35

1 But ny 1oq files, when I got back, showed

$ 2 that they had completed , so ( had backed up

3 everythinq frorn SRCSF,RVKR over to this TSASKRVZR.

4 Q . And did your 1og tell, say, when that

5 fin ished ? 00:3

6 A. Some of them finfshed the night of the

7 21st; some finishod the next day, the 22nd .

8 A1l Lhe 1()g fjle55 aren 't there anymore;

9 there 's only a couple left . Some of them were

10 deleted . 00:

11 Q. Do you have any reason to think that if it

12 d idnlt occur the way you had programm ed it to, that

13 it wouldn 't have been comp letely backed up ?

14 MR. FLYNN: Objection, your Honor.

15 THR COURT: What's Lhe objection? 00:

16 M R. EPLYNN: None of this testim ony -- the

17 entire course of the testimony so far has been

18 utterly lacking in foundation .

19 T HE COURT: W ell, 1 think there --

20 MR . FLYNN : I'd move to strike a l1 o f the 00:

21 testimony, but l'm trying to cut through it

,

so I

22 don't want to keep objecting because I believe I've

23 got a way to cut through and across --

l 24 THE COURT: A11 right

.

Well --

Tu (E Z A C i1A P H N , C (7 R r RM R ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3 - 5 4 9 2




'

-- ' ' 3 6) tl

.

1 M R . 1'' L Y H H : - - b 11 t n (3 n e (7 f t h i s h a s a n y

l 2 f ound.a t i o n .

3 T H R (2 O tl H T : A 1 1 r i (g h t . U n L i l I 1 e a r n a

4 l i. t t l 'a b i t Irto r e a b o u t t h e b a c k g r o u nd , i t ' s h a r d f o r

5 me t o e va lu a t e t h :1 t . oo :3

6 M R . IrL Y N 19 : 1 u n d e r s t a n d t h a t'. .

7 T H E C- O Ll R T : T h e r e ' s n o t. a j u r y lq e r e r s o

8 I ' m (gd3 i ng t.o a t 1 ow t he t e s t imon y .

9 G o a 11 e a d r s i- r .

10 T H E W 18A N E S S : W h a t w a s t h e qu e s t i o n ? oo :

11 MR . kJAKO P YN : i t h i n k you f i. n i s h ed .

12 I t h i n k i t w a s j u s t a n o b j e c t i o n a f h e r t h e

13 c o n c 1 .2 s i o n .

l 4 T i l E (2 O :1 R T : A 1 1 r i g h t . F o r t h e r e c o r d ,

l 5 t h e o '.o j e c t. i o n i s c) v e r r u 1 e d . 1 t h i n k t. h i s i s on :

16 f ou n d'a t i o n t o wh a h u 1 t j. m a t e l y w e f r e g o i n (g t o g e t t o .

l 7 S e e m s t o b e a t a n y r a t e , a s 1 e a s t. a s o f

18 now.

19 Go ahead.

20 BY MR. JAKO PIN : :o:

21 Q . Could you describe how the programmers

22 have their wo rk stations configured and how they

23 relate to the SRCSERVER ?

t 24 A

. The programmers have a hard drive on their





.% ( ''.T' 37

- -.- - - .- ..- .- .

l m a c 14 i n e o u t s i d e c. f t h e i r r e q u 1 a r o p e r a t i n g s y s L e m

2 hard drjve tha t's kept on there

.

Their folder called

3 Current Source was tor the projects Lhey're currently

4 work on

.

5 That Current Source folder contains their 00

:3

6 working in progress and the projects that they're

7 currently proq ramm ing on

.

Those folders a'e copied

8 by Dennis over t:o the two work stations we keep in

9 our wa rehouse for backing those up

.

10 Q . And c1o the programmers have personal work oo

ra

11 stations?

12 A

.

Eve ry programmer has at least one

.

13 Some of them have two for testing

14 purposes

.

15 Q. Whac 's the operating system on the work 00

:3

16 sta tions that they have?

17 A

.

Windows XP, on the majority.

18 There 's a few that have Windows 2000 for

19 testing , and then they were programming with some

20 older code that wouldn 't compile on windows XP

.

oo:a

21 Q. Directing your attention to the last day

22 that you were at the office before you went on you

r

23 vacation

.

( 24 A. Uh-huh

.





*...t) ( '-.?f' 44 8)

k

1 Q . C a 11 y o u d e s c r i b e w h a t h a p p e n e d t h a t d a y ?

k 2 A . è( c am e i n t h a t d a y .

3 A t t l t e L7 e (g t n n i n (J o f t. h e d a y , 1 c a 1. 1 e d a s L

4 w a s c o m j. n g i n f :) r s om e r e a s o n , 1 f o r g e t w h a t i. t wa s .

5 1 c a 1

l e d D e n n i s a n (2i h e a s k e d m e i f I ' d 00 : 3

6 g o t t e n a 1 l m y (7 r e y' a r a t i o n r e a d 'g f o r m y t r i p a n d 1

7 sa id no, and he said ''We11 stay home and do your' r

8 packing or w hatever,'' and I to ld h im I was almo st to

9 the office anyway , so I w as com ing in . I wanted to

10 get the IGASERVER finished sett ing -- setting up and cq:3

11 do ing the backups .

12 W e had talked abouh setting the 15A up for

13 doing the backups of SRCSERVER and also our

14 DEVSERVER .

15 So I came in and 1 got my stuff arranged oo:a

16 in m y office ancl 1 went out to Lhe wa rehouse

,

and

17 that 's when I noticed that the work -- one o f the

18 wo rk stations that had the RAID box attached to it

19 was gone y and I asked Denn is where it was

.

20 T his was one o f the one s that he u sed for 00:4

21 backing up the SRCSERVER.

22 And he said he 'd taken it home

,

and he

23 didn 't tell me why.

f 24 And so then the rest of the day I spent

LI ZA C HAPEN , CCR , RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3- 5 4 9 2




hY l 'Y 9 9

1 s e t t i n g u p t h e 1 S .A S F RV E R a n d r lJ n IR i n (; t IA e b a c k u p s .

( 2 And the next mo rn ing , I le ft on m y trip to

3 Budapest .

4 Q. You were gone untîl when?

5 A . I qot. bac k the late nLght. of the 2nd , cn:4

6 January 2nd.

7 Q. And ctiï you at some point go back to the

8 office?

9 MR. LOGA R: Could you speak up, please .

10 I'm sorry . 00:4

11 HY MR. JAKOPIN:

12 Q. At some point did you go back to the

13 office?

14 A . The morn ing o f the 3rd , I came to work.

15 Q. What did you discover then? n0:

16 A . When 1 got into the office, I no ticed

17 that -- m y o ffLce is situated right next to our

18 server room with the door so 1 can see through to my

19 servers, and I noticed that somebody had been doing

20 som eth ing on our SRCSERVER . 00:

21 And so I went over and looked at it and

22 there was a command prompt window up do ing something

23 which I didn 't know what it was, and Dennis came in

t 24 at that p oint and 1 asked him what he was doing and

L 1 ZA C HA PE 1.1 , CC R r RM R ( 7 7 5 ) 3 2 3- 5 4 9 2




. (=--e 4 o

-

).

1 h e s a i d h e w a s d ( ) i

1 CJ s om e c 1. e a n - u p w f) r k , g e t t i n g r i d

I 2 o f o ld s t u f f w e (1 â (j rR ' t nt? e (1 a n ymo r e

3 S; o t h q, 11 I b e 1 i e v e o n e o f o u r e mp lo ye e s ,

4 Jim Baude r , came L ) a t t ha t po î nt and s t a rted talki ng

5 t. o m e 1 i k e h e u s u a 1 1 y d o e s e a c h mo r n 1

n g , a n d D e n n i s 00 :

6 1 e f t .

7 So then I started going over the SRCSERVER

8 and noticed that m ost of our subfolders on that -- on

9 our source RATD box had been all deleted out

.

10 Q. What d kci you do then? no:

11 A . T w ent to qo took on m y b ac kup server

,

12 ISASERVER . They're al1 attached to the same monitor

13 and keyboard, so ë just do a command to switch over

14 to the next computer, and that machine was totally

15 lo c ke d up . 1) c o u ) drt ' t L o q o rt t o i t

T. t. w a sn ' t cc :

16 responding at a Ll

.

17 So then I went bac k to my des k and tried

18 to look at that machine through the network and I

19 could see the ISA box was respond ing

,

that ISA 'S RAID

20 was responding through the network and it also had oo

:

21 been completely deleted out

.

22 Q. Did you ask Mr

. Montgomery about this?

23 A . Right away -- 1 think 1 talked to some

6 24 other people

r

asked what happened while I was gone

,





. . .., jr (z '-..y- zâ gg

,

/ '

. ,

z

1 and hhey said strange stuff had been going on . Stuff

2 h a d b e e n g r a d u .it 1 1 k' ë) e t n g d e l e t e d .

3 T h e n l we n t o u t t o t h e w a r e h o u s e t o a s k

4 him about it a nd ( asked h int whe re the b ackup was and

5 h e said he was bringjng that -- the b ackup work 00:1

6 station wjth the RAID box from our warehouse, that he

7 w as bringing it back, he was done w ith it or

8 something like that .

9 But he never told me what happened on the

10 G RCSERVEB . He saîd he d idn't: do an ything or 00:4

11 something to that effect.

12 Q. What happened the rest of that week?

13 A . l was; going over the m achines, assessing

14 w hat the damages weue while 1 was gone. I was tryinq

15 to get 1SA back up, realized that one -- som ething o0:4

16 had happened to it .

17 rt had been workj

ng in m y o ffice fo r a

18 good three months before 1 put it into its permanent

19 location , so I figured something was -- something had

20 happened to it whlile i was gone, either malfunction 00:

21 or sabotage.

22 Also, 1 sharted asking a11 the people in

23 the building what had been going on, and they told me

24 that Dennis had deleted a11 the code off their

L T ZA CIIA PEIN r CCR , RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 3 2 3- 5 4 9 2




., ( '%g, 4 2

l machines while g was gone, and that he was

2 gradually -- just qiving them libtle bits and pieces

3 to work on .

4 MR. FLYNN: Objectiony your Honor; move to

5 strike . Hea rsay : speculation lacks foundation

.

00:d

6 He's just guessing.

7 THE COURT: 1 think as to hearsay

,

it 's --

8 it is hearsay; 1 wjll sustain tt

.

9 MR. JAKOPIN: It's just foundational, your

10 Hono r. It 's not -- 00

:1

11 THR COURT : It 's not offered for the truth

12 of the m atter? 1 th jnk it is

.

Cîm going to sustain

13 it .

14 T HE W FfNESS : That was a short wee k

, so

15 that wa s abo ut a11 that happened that week

,

I on:4

16 believe

.

17 We we re also p reparing -- we had a

.

fo r

18 our facilities secu rlty clearance

, we had our

19 inspect ion schedu led for -- 1 believe the 9th

.

20 We had our representative for the Defense 00

:4

21 Security Service coming on the 9th

,

so 1 was

22 preparing our facility security documents for that

23 visit.

f 24 BY MR . JAKOPIN :





.... w 4 a ( )

1. Q . W h a t: h . t r) p e n e d t h () w e e k , 1 g u e s s , b e g i. n n i n g

1 2 January 9th ?

3 A . Wel L, on the 8th , which is a Sundayz

4 Mr . Trepp called me at home and a sked me if anything

5 unusua l had been happeninq, and I told him that when 00:4

6 1 got bac k from my trip Lhat all the code on our

7 SRCSERV ER had been deleted off.

8 So he asked me to come in ea rly the next

9 day to talk about it, and asked M r. Montgom ery whah

10 was going on . 00:

11 When 1 got in that day, Mr . Montgom ery was

12 on ly there fo r 'ti/:e an hour or two and he left and

13 never came back for the rest of Lhe day .

14 So that day we started loo kinq around the

15 building to see what else was missing, and we had on:

16 basically everyone in the building going through

17 stu ff .

18 He said he was coming back but he never

19 came -- Mr . Montgomery never cam e back .

20 So we spent most of the night -- 1 was oo:

21 also gett ing ready for my visits on the 10th

.

I had

22 Jay Dixon from the Defense Security Service there

23 first thing in the morning .

( 24 And also when I got there that morning --





mg (' .rp 4 4 -- - -

1 I c a 1 1 e d b e f o r (? 1 c a n1e t o t 91 () 0 f f i. c e , a n d De n n i s s a .i. d

( 2 h e w a s g o j. n g t o b 6. 1: h e r e wh (? n t g o t t h e r e .

3 (E a s 4: e d i f h e w a s g o i n g t o b e t n t h a t. d a y .

4 He s a i d , '' 1 ï l 1 L)e t he r e whe rl y o u qe t. t he re . ''

5 W he n I (J ot t he re , he was out i n the ou:4

6 warehouse with Mr. Trepp and a friend of Mr . Trepp 's,

7 yelling at him , obscenities , going th rough the

8 warehouse out the back door, and he got in his Lruck

9 and drove away .

10 W e spent the re st of that day meeting with oo:

11 Jay Dixon, explaininq to hâm that we had major chaos

12 going on and personnel probkems, and he basically

:

13 told us that we 've got to go through a bunch of

14 procedu res for -- we also -- procedures for

15 determ ining what happened . 00:

16 We also determ ined that possible -- it was

17 p ossible tha t Dennis Montgomery had taken o r shown

18 some of our classified material to foreign nationals,

19 so I started that ânvestigation on what happened with

20 that situation . 0::

21 MR. FLYNN: Your Honor, objection; move to

22 strike, speculation .

23 And can we have the identity of the people

î 24 present? He keeps saying ''we.''

L I ZA CIIA PFulhl , CCR r RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3- 54 9 2




( 'K-'î ( r' 4 5

-

%

u J - - . - - N A

1 T h e r eh ' s b e e n n o 1 o u IA d a t i o n a s t o w ln o W a s

( 2 presenh on -- in any of these conve rsations o r

3 circum stances , and the last pa rt o f the te stim ony was

4 just rank hearsay and speculation and lacks -- lacked

5 foundation. 03:4

6 THE COURT: W ell, 1 think he 's simply

# rec iting events that took place to show what his

8 conduct and state of mind were at the t ime . I 'm

9 going to overrule the objection.

10 lt would be appropriate , how ever , to 00:

11 identify who the ''we'' is .

12 THE WITNESS : The ''we''? Do you want me to

13 say it?

14 THE COURT: Yeah .

15 THE WITNESS : A1 L the emp loyees in the 00:

16 building, as a group .

17 W e w ere -- l 'd say Jessie Anderson , Jim

18 Bauder.

19 I can list a11 the people that worked for

20 the company. lt was -- the whole company was going 00:

21 through the hard d riv es in our wa rehouse , going over

22 video -- ou r -- we went to check our surveillance,

23 Mr. Trepp and myself did that, check ou r surveillance

(' 24

video cameras, which had al1 been deleted.





( -.-) 1 - 4 6

1 W e n c) t i

c e d t h a t o n t.h e 1. 0 t h , a s w e 1 1 .

l 2 I can 't rem ember al) the -- Patty G ray

3 wasn 't the re that day , o r maybe -- no , she wasn 't

.

4 Len G lcgauer.

5 Everybody in the bu ild ing b esides Patty 00:4

6 G ray and Dennis Mcntgomery were there , a l1 the

7 emp loyees , which I'm sure they can give you a list

8 of. They we re a11 p resent.

9 THE COURT : A l1 right

. Are those names

10 you 've given us the ones you recall right now? 00:4

11 THE W ITNF,SS : Uh-huh

.

12 THE COURT : A 11 right

.

Go ahead .

13 BY MR . JAKOPLN :

14 Q. Did you have any discussions with

15 Mr . Montgom ery on Monday the 9th ? n0:4

16 A . O ther than he asked me -- I didn 't call

17 h im over the weekend to go trap shooting like we

18 usually do. I said 1 just wanted to relax after the

19 trip . That was about it

.

20 Q. Anything else that day? 00:4

21 A . The 9th , no

.

22 The 10th, we did

.

23 Q. What happened on the 10th, in terms of

( 24 conversations?

L I ZA CHAPFN , CCR r RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3- 5 4 9 2




( Nigr ( 4 g

.

. .- <

l A . T h e 10 tr h w a s t h e mo 1' n i n g w IR e n L h e c h a o s i n

2 t h e w a r e h o u s e t3 e t w e e n h i m a n d M r . T r e p p w a s g o i n (J o n .

3 L a t (n r f ) n , L c a l l e ct -' - M r . 'P r e pp a s k e d me

4 t o c a l 1 14 i In t o c oIn e h a c k t o t h C? o f f i c e t o t a 1 k t o u s .

5 a n d De n n 1 s c a lzr (.t b ,u c k a n d h e we n t .i. n t c) D e n n i s ' - - 00 : 4

6 Wa r re n ' s o 2' f i cfa a ràd t he y t a 1 ked p r i va t e ly .

7 A n d t h e n D e n n i s c ame o v e r t: o ray o f f i c e a n d

8 I a s k e d h i m w h ta t. ba a s g o .i. n g o n y a nd h e s a i d t h a t

9 Warren was trying to screw him out of money for

10 years , he hadn 't been paying h im prope rly fo r h is 00:4

11 sou rce co de , ancl he said --

12 1 said, ''What about this latest project we

13 have, our'' -- ''tlhis classified project that was of

14 extreme impo rtance?''

15 And he said that if the com pany wanted it , 00:4

16 they had to give him bjg money .

17 A nd then he le ft and he never came back to

18 the building since.

19 Q. You had mentioned before that the company

20 had a security system with cameras . 00:

21 Coultl you describe that?

22 A. We dve got about 16 cameras in our

23 building, and last summer we installed -- we

4 24 originally had maybe 12 . We installed different





>ge p 4 yy

x

. .

/ .

--.-..- .--

k

.

.

.

.

1- .

1 cameras o n the roof and we ran a11 the feed s for

2 these cameras out to our warehouse a rea , the area

3 where Dennis usua Lly works, antj we set up 16 work

4 stations, one work station for each came ray and they

5 digitally recorded all the footage comtng off of O0:s

6 these cameras .

7 Dennbs maintained it; I didn ft. I had --

ê m y only involvem ent was o riginal fy setting up the

9 hardware. After thaty he ma intained a1l the actual

10 recording and maintenance of these machines . He and oa:

11 his son.

12 I don 't know, Jessie might have had some

13 involvement . I don 't know .

11 Q. And you had menttoned that you and

1$ Mr . Trepp had gone and looked at what w as stored on 00:

16 that video system?

17 A . About noon on the 10th , w e went and loo ked

18 on the -- a11 of those hard drives for those

19 recording machines had been cieaned off. The last

20 modifiecl date on the folders for recordinq was the -- 0O

21 between 8:00 and 9:00 in the morning on the 9th, so

22 for that -- for those modified dates, it means that

23 tho se folders -- the last time something was on those

l 24 folders was between 8:00 and 9 :00 a .m . in the morning

L I Z C H A E' E N , C C R r RM R ( 7 7 5 ) 3 2 3 - 5 4 9 2




'

Ax <y. '

j-wqyr z) j) r)

l of January 9th .

4, 2 A ftiar that , it had heen deleted off .

3 Q. Does e7'reppid have an alarm system?

4 A. Yes , wçt doy maintained by ATD .

5 Q. Cou Ld you describe that? oO:s

6 A . We rve only got -- I believe there was five

7 codes fo r the aiarm prior to Lhe -- prior to this

8 incident .

9 Dennis had one, Warren had one, I had one:

10 Patty haï one, and 1 believe Jessie Anderson and Jim ooi

11 Bauder shared one; and only those people could tu rn

12 off the alarm to come in the building at any time

13 they wan ted Lo .

14 Barjinder Ba1 probably had one; 1fm not

15 sure . aot

16 1 hacl an o1d list of who had what alarm

17 codes from 2002, so I don't know what the -- when we

18 moved inlo the building, f don 't know what had

19 been -- changes made since then .

20 Q. Can you tell by those codes who turned the oo:

21 alarm on and off?

22 A . Each user, from my file, which is the

23 November of 2002, that I got from Dennis, it had user

24 numbers Eor each code

.

LIZA CHAPRN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




).... ' j, () ' 7

1 Go , gor examp ze , I thin k I wa s User

2 N o . 12 , De n n i s w a 55 U s e r N o . l 3 , a n d t h e AT D A la r m

3 l o (g s wh i c h we r fa c i) i ve d s h ow s wh a L u s e r n umb e r c a fne i n

4 and what hours which one set the a larm , which one

5 turned the ala rm off. oo:

6 Q. Could you tell -- is a report generated of

7 those code s?

8 A . Right . AT D keeps tho se and we geL them by

9 request.

10 Q. Did ycu request a rep ort for who was in 00:

11 and out of the bu ilding on the w eekend of J anuary 7th

12 and 8th ?

13 A . Yes , w e did . I requested it when 1

14 checked -- we reset the alarm codes on the building

15 on the 10th. We had AT D come out and reset the codes o0:

16 and we added new codes for just a smaller group of

17 peop le , a nd we also got the log and 5% showed the 7th

18 and the 8th weekend, User No . 13, which is Dennis, is

19 the only one that came in the building .

20 Q. Let me ask you a few questions. oo

21 You had talked about e-mails. Were there

22 any e-mails that were deleted at the company?

23 A. Well, I don't know about everybodyr but I

(' 24 k

now in pa rticu Lar 1 ran recovery software on a





.( wy'e ( g' jj 1

1 1 o t. - - wda ra n r e c (n ve r y s o f t ki a r e s t a r t i n c

i o n t h e 1 0 t h

2 to try to recover deleted files on everybody's

3 machines .

4 And a1 1 the programmers f w ork stations had

5 a wipe a ad delete prog ram , which is a program used to ao:5

6 wipe off space on the hard clrive . T he m ilitary uses

7 them to Xeclassify' hard d rives. It w ipes zeroes

8 every space on the hard drives.

9 So ./11 of the p roqramm ers ' mach ine s had

10 run -- h ad this wipe and delete program run on al1 of oo:b

11 them, so nothing was able to be recovered from any of

12 those .

13 But q ran it on Dennis ' personal work

14 station and they had wipe and delete run on there but

15 it hadn 't wiped and deleted a11 the area s. on:

16 The recycle bin are a hadn 't been wiped .

17 It had b een em ptied but not wiped , and I recove red

18 nine e-mail files from that that had been deleted on

19 or b efore December 11th and 12th .

20 Q . Did any of the other employees complain oo:

21 about their e-m ail files that had be en deleted?

22 A. I had one programm er, Krishna Tangira la,

23 comp lain that when I was gone, Dennis took his hard

1

24 drive away and gave it back to him with just a clean





( ty j 'gr j5 y)

.

k

.

.

..- - .-.- - -

X

-

1 s la t e h a r ti d r .i. v û, , j u s t: t h e o p e r a t i- n g s y s t em .

4 2 And ) asked Dennis about that. Th is is

3 the wee k o f the 3zd to the 6th . I asked Dennis and

4 he said that Krishna's mach ine had crashed and died.

5 And 1' casked Krj.shna and he said that :Q:b

6 wasn': true. The computer was working fine; he just

7 too k his hard drive.

8 MR. FLYNN: Objection; hearsay. .

9 THE COURT : Sustained.

10 MR. FLYNN: Objection, hearsay. o0:

11 THE COUHT : It 's sustasned .

12 Ask another questio n .

13 MR . JAKO PIN: Fine , your Hono r.

14 BY M R. JAKOPIN :

15 Q. Othec than Krishna, did any other oo:

16 employees comp lain about e-m ails hav ing been deleted ?

17 MR. FLYNN : Objection; hearsay.

18 THE COURT : 1'm not sure 1'm going to

19 sustain that . I thin k this goes more to their state

20 of m ind and what they did afterwards than it does the oo:

21 truth of the matte r.

22 1 111 consider it only for the former as

23 opposed to th e latter .

(' 24 Go ahead

.

LIZA CHAPJSN, CCR: RMR (775) 323-5492




z ., ,. s 5 a r

- -

t z-

1 BY M R . JAKO PIN :

2 Q. Answer the question .

3 A . They d àcln 't delete - I don 't believe they

4 com plained about f'-nlails being deleted ; they

5 complained about sou rce code on their mach ines beinq 00:5

6 deleted .

7 Q. Did you do any recovery for e-mails of

8 anyone othe r than Mr . Montgome ry 's e-mails?

9 A . E-mails, no .

10 1 only -- we t ried recovery of a11 files oo:

11 deleted, not just e-mails. We tried to recover

12 anything deleted .

' i in on3 So we weren t just narrow ng

14 e-ma ils; we were tryjng to figure out what was

15 deleted . 00:

16 We didn 't know what was de leted overall:

17 so we were try ing to recover to dete rm ine w hat was

18 deleted .

19 MR . JAKOPIN : That ls al1 1 have .

20 THE COURT: Cro ss? O0:

21

22 CROSS EXAM INATION

23 BY MR . FLYNN :

( 24 Q. You testified about a conversation that





) f 7- 5 4

1 y o u h a d w i t h M lT . 1',1 o n t g om e r y a b o u t b i g m o n e y ?

2 A. Right .

3 Q. And è l3elieve you said that Mr. Montqomery

4 said that unless tèhe government qave him big money --

5 something ; is tlla t correct? eo:5

6 A . No.

7 Q. No?

8 A . He d idn ït mention the government .

9 Q. Was it unless Mr. Trepp gave him big

10 money ? 00:5

11 A . M r. Trepp was the words he used .

12 Q. And that conversation took place on

13 January 10th?

14 A . That 's riqht . In my offiee .

15 Q. Now, let 's go back to the beginninq of 00:

16 your employm ent.

17 I 've no ticed in your Dec laration and your

18 testimony here, you keep using the singular eTreppid

19 sou rce code .

20 Are you aware o f that? 00:

21 A. 1 ca Ll it the collective . It 's multiple

22 projects, multiple source code files, so eTreppid

23 source cod e is probably more than a hundred different

@ 24 projects, thousands of files.





-..e

j j g' s :

1 Q. Okay . Now, so you agree with me# though,

1 2 t h a t j. n y o u r De c) 1. a r a t i o n y o u u s e d t. h e E; i n (J L1 ia r

3 eTreppid sourcïa ccde .

4 In youc testimony here, you fve been using

5 t h e e T r e p p i d s (3 u r c e c o d e i n t h e s i n (g u 1 a r . oo : 5

6 You agree w ith that ?

7 A . R ight .

8 Q. But whnt you really meant was

9 collectively ?

10 A . Right . oc:s

11 MR. JAKOPIN: Objection; argumentative.

12 BY M R . FLYNN :

13 Q . ts that correct?

14 rrHR COURT : Ho , T th in k it 's a question

.

15 lt 's not a statem ent . n0:s

16 G o ahead, answer it

.

17 TH E W ITNESS : Th at 's co rr ect

.

18 BY MR . FLYNH :

19 Q. Now, let 's talk about what collectively

20 means . n0:

21 When you first started working at

22 eTreppid, describe actually what you were doing

.

23 A. 1 was programm ing the game engine that I

( 24 had developed previous to worktng for eTreppid

,

LI ZA CHAPEN r CCR, RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3-54 92




f'M ( '&

.

b 6

/

-

'

.

1 c o n L .i n u i n cg d e v e 1. o p j. n g o :1 j- t .

1 2 Dennis and W arren wanted me to possibly

3 make it into a Henny Rogers video gamez The G ambker.

4 We expLored that route .

5 We explored many different routes, but Qo:

6 programming it .

7 Q. How long did you work on that?

8 A . Coup Le of years .

9 Q. How many files would you estimate you

10 created ? C ompute r files? 0O:

11 A . Coup Le thousand .

12 Q. How lnany computer lâbraries would you

13 e stimate you --

14 A. 11/1 tncluding the libraries.

15 When you compile source eode it generates 0o:'

16 libraries as ântc rmediate files . You can also use

17 those as final fjles, but l 'm including those files ,

18 as well.

19 Q. So cart you characterize any of these files

20 collectively as libraries? Or no? 0o

21 A. Libraries are part of a source code.

22 Theyfre pre- -- theyfre intermediate compiled file .

23 Q. How many source codes were there for this

j' 24 video qame techno logy ?

L I Z A C HA P EFI : C C R r RM R ( 7 7 5 ) 3 2 3 - 5 4 9 2




,. . .. (' qs -2

.

) . ''r .

1 A . The actual C++ fizes is what you 're

2 referring Lo ?

3 Q. Kxplain to the Courl- what a C++ file is.

4 A . T hat 's the actua) - - wh en you 're

5 p rogramm ing, you can prog ram in va rious languages. f 0::5

6 prog rammed in C.4+.

7 They 're basically text files . You can

8 read them with just a regular notepad, even, and

9 these comp ile to generate librar ies as intermediate,

10 and fknally as an executab le . 00:

11 So I -- you create the text -- these

12 various text -- Cd+ text fi Les, and I w ould say there

13 we re several hundred; maybe 800 in the game engine .

14 Q. Eight hundred source codes just for the

15 video technology hhat you worked for two years on? :0:

16 A . Correct .

17 Q. And that takes us up to 2001?

18 A. Into 2002.

19 Q. And the --

20 A. I m ean, I still work on -- I'm shi ll 00

21 working on it regularly with one of ou r programmers:

22 Michael Svatek .

23 Q. Were there any other projects you worked

( 24 on between the inception of your emp loyment and





('-w.' . . : j ( 7

1 throughout the tioe you were workinq on the v ideo

f ? game project?

3 A . T he plqhyer that we used for the lntel Home

4 Theater System .

5 Q. And Low many source codes did you create n :n

6 for that?

7 A . 1 can't recall w ith that .

8 T here was not as many as the game engine ,

9 but a couple hundred.

10 Q . How many lines of code were involved -- nn

11 are involved in the video game technology?

12 A. Thousands .

13 Q. Tens 01. thousands?

14 A. Ten s of thousands .

15 Q. But you 're not calling those source codes? u1:

16 Because that 's not C++ coding?

17 A . That is C++ coding .

18 Q. So there were tens of thousands of source

19 codes just for the video game technology?

20 A . You wouldn 't call that sourc e code. on

21 Sou rce code refers to the ac tual code to

22 m ake up a program .

23 Q. Okay. And on this second project you were

'

,

24 working on, how many lines of code did you create





e.. ( '--j 5 9 v

1 du r i n q t h a t t w (n - y t? a r p e r i

o d t h c) t w e ' r e t a 1 k i n g a b o u t ?

2 A . I don 't recall .

3 1 wtlskeci on it wjth a coup le of other

4 programm ers .

5 Q. Dur ing this period of time, did you work 01:0

6 on any other addîlional projects other than those

7 two ?

8 A. Program-wise no .

9 Q. So durlng this two-year period,

10 collectively , hcw many source codes did you create 01:0

11 for eTrepp id Technology?

12 A. Just add up the ones we just talked about.

13 Q. So L,ow many? Roughky?

14 A . Lines of code or files or what are you

15 as king? 01:0

16 Q. WelL, let's deal with lines of code

.

17 A . A code isn 't like some little simp le card

18 or something. it's not just one little bit of

19 numb er. You wouldn't call that a cod e . You would

20 call -- source code is what makes up a program

. 01:0

21 Go to m ake up y like

,

sayr for example r

22 Windows Media Player, they have thousands -- 1O

,

20,

23 40,0007 who knows how many. You would call that

i

24 collectively the source code that makes Windows Media





,

M -. jj(; h

$

.

7

1 Player .

2 Q . B u t t h e r e a r e , i n f ,A c t . t e n s o f t h ou s a nd s

3 o f c o d e s ? L j n .E) s :? f (r o d e ?

4 A . Linils; of code is mo re accurate.

5 Q. And collectivelyz to access those tens of O1:a

6 thousands of lines of code , how m uch source coding

7 would you need?

8 A . Your que stion doesn 't ma ke much sense .

9 Q. Does it a1l end up in an executable file?

10 A . lt al1 ends up in one file . 01:

11 Or possibly auxiliary DLL files , which are

12 helper files, if you want to be simp le about it.

13 DLLS are like -- you would say W indows

14 Media Playe r has one executable and maybe 10, 20

15 add itional files to make it run . 01:

16 Q. Al1 right . How many lines of code are

17 involved in tho se two types of files? The he lpe r

18 file or the executable?

19 A. Tens of thousand s; 50,000 , maybe a hundred

20 thousand . 01:

21 For like the Windows Operating System ,

22 it's millions of lines of code .

23 Q. So if we were dealing with something you

f 24 want to call source code to access that --





) ... - .. (; ). t

--77

l A . U h - tï l l h .

f 2 Q. -- how many actual kines of code would we

3 be dealing with in that source code?

4 A . For krhat, like the player 1 made for

5 lntel? 01:

6 Q. Yeah.

7 A. That one had thou sand s of lines .

8 The game engine thah'sr you know -- lines

9 in there, 1 bel.aeve there's 50,000, probably, in al1

10 the various parts . 01:

11 Q. And whatt would you call those? Source

12 codes?

13 A . There ts no codes, plu ral ; it 's code,

14 singular.

15 Q. But Lt involves tens of thousands of lines :1:

16 o f code?

17 A . Lines o 1: code is th e actu al term .

18 Q. Okay. Now, where is that technology

19 toda y?

20 A . Which technology? 01

21 Q . This technology for the video game?

22 A. We have that . That hasn't been deleted .

23 It 's kept on my machine; my programmer ,

t'

1

,

24 Michael Svatek rs, machine ; and also we have that





.

-. ..u 6 z' h (

- -

' '

l s t i. 1 1 o n o u r S 11 C S F, J? V E R .

,

2 T hat wasn 't de le ted .

3 Q. So when you were givinq your testimony on

1 direct , when you said a11 these source code s --

5 e'rrepp id source code was de leted -- 01:

6 A . Uh-huh.

7 Q. -- you weren't referring to two years of

8 work and tens of thousands o f lines o f code , pe rhap s

9 millions?

10 A . Dennis ha s never had any involvement in 01:

11 do ing the game eng ine .

12 Q. Please, please, Mr. Venables.

' 13 You were not referring, even though you

11 used the s ingu lar you we re not referring to those

15 ten s of thousands of line s of code on the video game ol:

16 technology, w ere you?

17 A . No .

18 Q . And that is eTreppid source code, isn't

19 it ?

20 A . That's som e of the eTreppid sou rce code . 01

21 Q. But you didn't make that distinction, did

22 you ?

23 A . We 've got r I would say --

f 24 Q. Please. Again, you didn't make that

LIZA CHAPRN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




r' w'.''j ( %..g 6 3.

1 distinct ion ?

2 A . -- one pe lcent o i the eTreppid source code

3 is the game engin e .

4 Q. Thank you.

5 So Lf7 there are ten s of thousand s and that n1:

6 represents one percent , then the eTrepp id source code

7 involves millions and millions of lines of code , does

8 it not?

9 A . We don 't have that much . The game enqine

10 is m ore complex than a 1ot of the other eT repp id 01:

11 stu ff . l

12 1 would say in the hundreds of thousands.

13 Q. Are you able to draw on the blackboard an

14 outline of the networ k struchure, the infrastructure

15 at eTreppid Technologies? 01:

16 A . Yes.

IV . Q . How the computer ne twork was set up?

18 A. Yes.

19 MR . FLYNN : With the Court 's pe rmission,

20 could we move the blackboard perhap s over here so the n1:

21 Court could see it?

22 THE COU RT : Yes .

23 MR . FLYNN : And have the witness --

)' 24 BY MR

.

FLYNN :

LIZA CHAPRN, CCR: RMR (775) 323-5492




(r...j ( 6 4

1 Q . B e f o ,7 e w e do t ha t: , d i

d yo 12 h a v e , i n yo u r

2 home, a personal connection to aL1 of the servers at

3 eTteppid Techno logy?

4 A . I hacl a d jal-up VPN at my house

,

v irtual

5 p rivate network. 0l

:o

6 T hat lets me connect to the office through

7 an encrypted hunnel so the passwords or anything else

8 cou ldn 't be sp ied on over the (nte rnet

, and 1 had seL

9 up that VPN in September of thks past year so I can

10 monitor our magLl server on our WEBSERVER

.

01:0

11 Q . Why did you set that up?

12 A

.

So E can monitor our mail servers and our

13 WEBSERVER and our network status

.

14 Occasionally

, our networks would go down

15 and I w anted ho m ake sure that -- Dennis wanted to o

z:o

16 ma ke sure -- I wanted to make sure that they weren 't

17 going -- they weren 't dying on u s

g

and I can w atch

18 them from my house

.

19 That could only be connected to from my

20 house .

on o

21 Q. Did anyone else have that capability?

22 A

.

No .

23 Patty Gray wanted it set up for her house

24 in Phoenix, but wzj hadn't set that up yet

.





) -- j ( '.y (; s

1 Q. And so you -- what would you call it

,

a

t 2 virhuat privata network?

3 A . Tha t 's right

.

4 Q. Can you tell the Court whether you did

5 this because arter a ce rta in date and tim e there a1:o

6 seemed -- there began a period where there were tens

7 of hhousands o f efforts to intrude into the eTreppid

8 software?

9 A . A ftez , I believe

,

our first military

10 contract was made public by some sort of press 0nn

11 release by somebody in the military

r ou r network was

12 constantly under attack

.

13 So we beefed up our router system

.

I got

14 a much stronger C tsco router

, and l ran -- started

15 running intrusion detection software to see who was 01

:0

16 trying to get into our networ k from the outside

.

17 Q. Nowy many hits after the first -- can we

18 call it a military contract?

19 A. Rkght .

20 Q. After the first military contract was made 01

:0

21 public, as you put it, how many hits began to appear

22 per day?

23 A. We were getting thousand s a day

g

probably

; 24 fo

ur or five thousand .





; =...; ( ...; (:; (;

.

x ,?

1 1 t ' .l; t a p i? r e d o f f s i n c ia , bu t

i n i t i a 1 1- y

t 2 the re w ere a lo t; 4- to 5,000 range

.

3 I kfaep a loç . 1 have a 1og o f a11 the

1 inputs. It's been recordjng sànce that period

.

5 Q. And prior to that, how many hits per day 01:0

6 were you gett ing? Plior to the military contract?

i din A . W e host various web s tes

,

so inclu q

8 those, probably a couple hundred , maybe 500 a day

.

9 Q. So it went from 500 a day to 4- to

10 5,000 -- ol:a

11 A , Thousand

.

12 Q. -- or more per day?

13 A. Right .

14 Q. Now, the first military contract

: just in

15 as few words as possible to give a description of it n1

:o

16 for the Court, how would you characterize it

,

just in

17 te rms of som e type of a descr ipt ion ?

18 A . I don 't have al1 the details about our

19 contract . Warren and Dennis --

20 Q. In fact, you never had access to any of 01:0

21 the source codes o r any of the government contracts

,

22 did you?

23 A. I don 't actually -- 1 know what programs

t 24 we delivered to them

.





1 Q . A l l 1- j. (g h t. .

f 2 A . 1 was involved in --

3 Q. You never had access to any of them?

4 (Discussion off the record.)

5 THE COURT : One at a Lim e . nl:0

6 MR . l3EF,K : Will he he allowed to finish

7 his answer before --

8 TH E CCURT : Yes, yes, yes .

9 BY MR. FLYHN :

10 Q . What's the answer to my question? 01:

11 THE CG URT : Let h im finish the last

12 answe r.

13 THE WITNESS : Which part?

11 THE COURT : Do you remember the question?

15 BY MR . FLYNN : 01:

16 Q. Did you ever have access to any of the

17 lines o f code done b y M r . Montgomery on the secret

18 government projects?

19 A . 1 know what executables we delivered . I

20 was involved with the delivery . 01:

21 The actual code to generate those

22 executables , I haven 't seen any of that .

23 Q. You were never given access to them, were

f' 24 you?





(h '- ' ' (j jj

,

h r

'

-

- -.- - - .- - - =

.

.

X-.

1 A . R i.g h t -

' 2 Q. Now , can we use the term, for the first

3 military contract , facial recognihion?

4 A. I don't even know if that was it .

5 1 betieve the first contract was more with on

6 the Predator. Thatts the public -- public --

7 pub licly known th Lrlg.

8 Q. So you don't even know which one actually

9 came first ?

10 A . Huh-uh . I have a -- 01:

11 Q. Is lt fair --

12 Go ahead .

13 A . I have an actual -- for part of our

14 facility, m iljtary fac ility, l've got copies of

15 the -- what 's caqled DD Form 254 which is the cn

16 military cont ract gorm .

17 I have the eopies c)f the original one of

18 that, and the first one came from the Air Force.

19 Q . So you were given -- because of the actual

20 form in the contract, you were given some knowledge 01

21 by someone at eTreppid about what the end result was

22 of what Mr. Montgomery was doing ; is that a fair

23 characterization?

f 24 A Just overall

,

general , what it was about.





a., . (; ,

.

y I

1 D . B u t

y o u w o u l d n e v e r - .- n o 0 n e e v e r t o 1 (El

2 you s p e c i f L c a 1 1. y 'a h a t h e w a s do i (A g ?

3 A . No .

4 Q. A11 riqht. If we could have you create an

5 outline of the ne tworking infrastructure at 01:1

6 eTreppid --

7 THE C'OURT: Ts there something for him to

8 write with ?

9 THE CLERK : I belieaze there 's chalk up

10 there . 01:1

11 THE COURT : Okay

. A11 right .

12 THE CLERK: Would they like to use the

13 paper or the chalkboard?

14 THE COURT : t prefer the paper

,

if we 've

15 got some . 01

:1

16 MR

.

FLYNN : The paper may be better for

17 your Honor, if you couYd just makntain custody of it.

18 THE COURT: Idm going to maintain custody

19 of it after it ïs filled out

.

20 And we 'll mark it -- an z

21 MR

.

FLYNN : Thank you , yoûr Honor

.

22 THE COURT ; -- as Exhibit 1

.

23 Did you hear that

,

Greg?

(

2 4 T H E C L E R K : Y e s

.

LIZA CHAPEN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492 '=




I ) ( '7 7 :

'

- - - . -

/

- .-

1 (Exhibit 1 was marked for îdentification.)

f 2 THE WITNESS: What exactly do you want me

3 to dkaqram?

4 Hetwo rk structure is pretty open ; we don 'h

5 have a 1ot o f d tvjsions . 01:1

6 (Discussion off the record .)

7 THE WITNESS : Our netwo rk struc ture is

8 fairly open . We clon't have any subdivisions or

9 sub-networ ks on our network .

10 We have our main Internet , sa y, com ing -- 0::

11 say this is the Tnternet com ing into our ma in router,

22 which is C isco router. In that route r, I have a list

' 13 of fire wall instructions w hich prevents w hat can

14 come into the netwo zk.

15 I basically 1et eve rything go out; hhere's n1:

16 no restriction on that.

17 A fter that , I have a serie s of sw itches

18 set up in a rack that al1 of the computers in the

19 buildings are set up to. I actua lly go thtough

20 another intermediate router before this, which does 01:

21 our NAT, wh ich is Network Address Translation .

22 So everybody on the Intel network is on a

23 private IP seqment, so these machines can 't even be

t 24 seen from the Internet except through one IP

.





( ..- tq...yj .y y

1 This one IP is set up -- 1 don 't even need

f 2 to tell you what it is, but ùt 's one private IP

3 everybody 's in the bu ildingr looks like

,

out on the

4 netwo rk , on the Internet

.

So if you 're busy in a web

5 sitez everybody in the buildkng looks like just one 01:1

6 IP.

7 T hen, every -- a11 the machines in the

8 building are plugged into this

. That includes our

9 server s and a11 the work stations thah a11 the

10 programm ers use. onl

11 I had one other segment of network set up

12 out in the warehouse. These are the machines that

2 13 Denn is used regularly for doing some of his

14 classified projects.

15 Th ose were going th rou gh anothe r m achine

.

01:1

16 That machine was the gateway to this network

. There

17 weren 't any restrkction controls; thks t raffic w as

18 two-way .

19 We were going to put another router here

20 in place of this computer because this computer was 01

:1

21 not very reliable .

22 That îs the basic structure

.

23 BY MR. FLYNN :

I 24 Q. What would we call this?





f Ah t -7 7 2

.

.

7

a

z

1 Y o u s a .L cl i t ' s i n t h i? kl a r e h o u s e ? T h i s s e t

2 o f ma c h i n e s t h (:, t 'po u s a i d D e n n 1 s w a s 'a o r k i n g w i t h ?

3 A . De n rl i s c a 1 1 e d t h e ra 12 h 63 c l u s t e r . T h e y w e r e

4 a (J r o up o f W i nc1 o w :5 )( P w o r k s t a 1: i c) n s s e t u p i n - - a t

5 va r .. o u s t i me s w e l-l a d d i f f' e r e n t a mo u n t s . :1 : 1

6 There 's about five of these work stations

7 in each rack . Each one of these would be a rack

8 cabinet .

9 Q. And where was Dennis actua lly working in

10 connection with the cluster? 01:1

11 A. This was up in our -- our building is kind

12 of divided in two parts . The fronh section is

13 offices . This back section here is warehouse .

14 Dennjs had set up a ser ies of tables out

15 he re that he worked on . He was regularly out here . û1:1

16 Q. Okay . And where did you work,

17 M r . Ven ab les?

18 A. Our server room was up in this area and my

19 office is right next to it.

20 So our servers were here and I was here. o1:z

21 Q. Okay. Could you just put the initials DM

22 down there.

23 And who worked in these work stations over

' 24 here in the warehou se

, near Dennis?

LIZA CFIAPEN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5192




r'- ) 7 3

1 A . Ju s t. Eèe J1 n i. s .

'

' 2 W a 1' r e rl () c CJ a s i o n a 1 1 y w a s o tt t t h e r e w o r k i n g

3 w i t h h i m .

4 Q . A n d n o () n e e 1 s e '?

5 A . R i g h t . O l :

6 Q . D i ci y o u e v e r (; o o u t t h e r e a n d w o r k o n a n y

7 of tho se work s tations?

8 A. Troubleshooting, helping him clone them to

9 m ake more of them .

10 Q. But actually creating lines of code -- ol:

11 A . No .

12 Q. -- did you ever do that?

13 A. Neve r .

14 Q. The answer was neverr correct?

15 A. Right . 01:

16 MR . FLYNN: Thank you, sir.

17 You can re sume the stand , please .

18 THE COURT: Are there going to be any

19 additions to this drawing?

20 MR . FLYNN: I believe so . Mr. Montgomery o1

21 w ill be --

22 THE COURT: All right. We fll leave it up

23 therey then, untjl we --

f 24 BY MR

. FLYNN :





(

-

) f-''7 /4

1 Q. Where were the programmers achually

p working?

3 I believe -- are these the work station

4 that the p rogrammers --

5 A . Rig ht . 01:1

6 Q. -- were actually working?

7 A . That section there Lhat 1 have that Lop

8 diagram on is actually a two-story area . The

9 warehouse is a k1 sïngle-story.

10 So some of them were on the seeond floor 0n

11 some were on th e Jrirst floor .

12 Q. So , for example, on the vîdeo game, was

f 13 that data compressson-type technology?

14 A. No, just 3-D rendering.

15 Q. So e'rreppid Technologies was doing 01:

16 software technology other than just data compression,

17 co rrect ?

18 A. Correct.

19 MR . PEEK : Counsel, I can 't see the

20 witness. 01

21 Than k you .

22 BY MR. FLYNN:

23 Q. And who was in charge of these programmers

( 2 4 wo r king over he ue ?





/z'7 (''-S y : .

.

'

.

Z

1 A. Gentqra Lly Denn is wats in charge of a11 the

2 programm ers in the building .

3 Q. And who were -- can you give the identity

4 of those programm ers for the Court?

5 A . Upslïa irs area or the downstairs area? 91:1

6 Q. Upstairs first .

7 A. Upslrairs, we had Aarjinder Bal.

8 I oI4ly remembe r hjs first name, Karthik.

9 Th is is current; we dve had peop le come and

10 go ove r the yeazs. 01:1

11 Venkat a Ka lluri .

12 Lali.th Tenneti.

13 Q. lf t could just stop you there.

14 Mr . Bals and Mr. Kalluri are the same

15 people that have submitted Declarations in this case? 01:

16 A. Correct.

17 Q. But they never worked with Dennis down in

18 this other area you 've got down below , either, did

19 they?

20 A . Th ey were occasionally down there. I 01:

21 do nrt know for what .

22 The upper area had glass windows so we

23 could see who went down to that area, and I observed

24 just about everybody in the building down there with





) .- . y (y

1 Dennis at one tim e or anothe r

.

t 2 Q . B u t t h 6) y 14 e v e r d i d a n y s o u r c e c o d e

3 c r e a t i o n -?

4 A . Fo r /1 h a t p r o j e c t '?

5 Q - T o y 0 u 17 k n o w l e d g e ? ol :

6 A . I have no idea what they d id for him

.

7 Q. Okay . :nd would you continue with the

8 identity of the programmers, please

.

9 A. Just programmers, Michael Svatek ; you got

10 that one . 01:

11 Jessie Anderson

.

12 I believe that 's a1l hhe programmers

13 upsta krs. The re's other people

,

but those are the

14 p rogramm ers .

15 Q. All right . Now , so you tve done -- during 01:

16 those first two years, did you do any work that we

17 wou ld call d ata cem pre ssion-type wor k?

18 A. No .

19 Q. Do you know of anyone who did?

20 A . Ven kata did . nl:l

21 Q. Anyone etse?

22 A . I 'm sure others

.

23 I know him for sure ; Irve seen the

( 24 programs he 's worked on

.

.

U





?-) r'-h .1-1

1 Q. Durinç those first two years, what

j 2 p e r c e n t a rg e o f L h e c; om p a n y w o r k

,

i f yo u k n o w , wa s da t a

3 c o mp r e s s i () n - t y p e w o r k ?

4 A . 1 n i t i a 1

J. y , I L) e 1 i e v e t h a t w a s t h e rtàa j o r i t y

5 o f w ha t. w e we r e cl o î ng . :& :

6 Q. Have you ever seen any of the books or

7 records of the com pany ?

8 A . No

.

9 Q. Have you ever seen any of the agreements

10 between Mr . -- of

:

11 A . No

.

12 Welt, a s far as records

,

1 h ave the

13 majority stockholder list as part of our facility

14 security. I have that info rmation

.

15 Q. In your office? n1:

16 A . Yes

.

17 Q . Describe those records, please

.

18 A. They show who the majority shareholders

19 are .

20 For ge thing your facility security n1

:

21 clearance, you need to know if the company has any

22 foreign interest in the company so that we could

23 have -- foreign interest or influence

,

so the records

( 24 show -- 1 believe it's Friendly Capital Partners

,





V --' N f ) 7 8

1 and --

2 Q . That's Mr. Trepp, also, correct?

3 A . M r . T repp represent:T Dennis and Brenda

4 Mon tgomery , and 1 believe one other share -- there 's

5 three shareholders on this as the majority 01:1

6 shareholders .

7 Q . Is Wayne Primm one of those?

8 A . He 's not on the list .

9 Q. Is Randy Halloway on that list?

10 A . The list has M r. Trepp personally , ol:l

11 Mr . Trepp representing Friend ly Capital, and Dennis

12 and Brenda Monlrgomery.

13 Those are the three main entities on the

14 majority shareholders list.

15 Q. Is Michael Milken in any of the records as ol:t

16 being shown as a shareho lder o f eT reppid

17 Technolog ies --

18 A. Not that I know of.

19 Q. -- that you have possession of?

20 A. Not that 1 have, no . o1:l

21 Q. Are you aware that Mr. Trepp has stated

22 that he is a sha reholder of eTreppid Technology?

23 A. Yes .

f 24 That Mr

. Trepp is?





.

7.-6

.

) 47 7 9

1. Q . 'i' h a t M r . M i- l k e n i s .

: 2 A . O h , i d o n ' t k n o w a b (3 u t: t h a t: .

3 Q . A r e y' o u a w a r e o f w h (n M r - M i 1 k e n i s ?

4 A . Y e s .

5 Q . I n f a c t , h e ' s - - ha v e yo u e v e r O1t 2

6 parhicipated in any discussions with Mr. Trepp about

7 Michael Mi tken 's knvolvement of eTreppid Technology

8 and being a convicted felon?

9 MR. JAKOPIN: Objection, your Honor.

10 MR . FLYNN : If 1 can finishz your Honor. 01:2

11 THE COIJRT : Yeah , 1et him finish the

12 question. I don't know if it's objectionable or not

13 until 1 hear it .

14 BY MR . FLYNN :

15 Q. In being a convicted felon, and that fact o1:z

16 intertering witb the government milihary contracts?

17 THE GOIJRT: Wait. Hold on just a second.

18 Sit down, Counsel, just for a minute.

19 A11 right.

20 THE WITNESS : He 's never ta lked to m e 01:2

21 about M r. Milken .

22 MR . PEEK: Mr. Venabkes , please .

23 THE COIJRT: Now, go ahead and ask the

r 24 question so I can --

L I ZA CIIAPFN , CCR : RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3- 5 4 9 2




,

>-.. ;zw ,

) ap

l BY MR . FLYNN :

: 2 Q. Have you ever had any discussion with

3 Mr . T repp aboui Mr. Milken being a shareholder o f

4 eTrepp id 'rechno logy, and that ract, because he is a

5 conv icted felon at the Drexel -- d uring the Drexe l o1:2

6 days --

7 M R. PEKK: Your Hono r, this is outrageous

8 conduct . There 's no question --

9 HY MR . FLYNN :

10 Q. -- o1' interfering with a government -- 01:2

11 THE COURT : Wait, wait. Waih a minute.

12 MR . PE KK : Your Hono r, the re 's only --

13 THE COURT : Your co-counsel is handling

14 this witness --

15 M R. PEEK: O kay. 01:2

16 THE COURT: -- so allow him to deal with

17 th is is sue .

18 MR. JAKOPIN: Objection, your Honor. He

19 answered the question no .

20 THE W ITNESS: He 's never talked to me ona

21 about Mr. Milken ; never.

22 THE COURT: Well, I -- this is

23 cross-examinat ion . I don lt know whethe r there 's any

t 24 relevance at a11 to this issue about the felony

LTZA CHAPEN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




,--A r'l a 1

1 c onv i ct i o n .

( 2 I 'm p ersonally very wel l aware who

3 Mr . Mâlken is, i know what his bac kqround is y and if

4 we had a jury here, 1'd be a little more worried

5 about it, but we don't have a jury. 01:2

6 i 'm going to try to sort out what I think

7 has something to do with this case , what doesn 't so

8 I'm going to go ahead and 1et you go with that just a

9 little b it , but I do want you Lo tie it in on a -- on

10 relevance ground s. 0i:2

11 Maybe it has to do with security

12 clearances.

13 MR . FLYNN : lt does, your Honor, and when

14 Mr . Montgome ry testifie s, we 'll go into it .

15 BY MR . FLYNN : 91:

16 Q. In the books and records that you have, as

17 I unde rstand your testimony , you only show three

18 shareholders?

19 A. Three majority; that's a11 we require for

20 our facility clearance . 01:

21 The government doesn 't care about any

22 minority shareholders , any lower than -- I forget the

23 number ; I think it 's four percent .

'

.

( 24 Anything lower than that, they don't care





y' -.X j''y gy g

-

'

'

1 about .

2 Q. Did you ever have any conversations with

3 anyone from the government about the identity of any

4 of Lhe shareho Lde rs of eTreppid Technology?

5 A. Thev just wanted to know who the majority 01:2

6 ones w ere .

7 Q. And you gave them --

8 A. Basiad on that, hhey granted us ou r

9 facilsty clearance .

10 Q. Okay. Explain to the Court what a 01:2

11 facility clearance is .

12 A. FaczLlity clearance is what we get as a

13 collective after the key people in our company got

14 their personal clea rances .

15 The key people that we've submitted were 01:2

16 Denn is Montgomery , Warren Trepp v and myself as our

17 facility security officer .

18 After us three got our clearances, they

19 reviewed who the sha reholders were, and after that,

20 what contract we had with the gove rnment -- you 01:2

21 have -- to get a clearance : you have to have a

22 contract that specifies compliance , and after that

23 they granted us ou r facility clearance, meaning we

t' 24 can handle classified material after a further

L I ZA CHA PEN y CCR , RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 3 2 3- 5 4 9 2




1- -. y' .$ 8 3

1 inspechion to see what storage capabilities we had.

2 Q. Did that clearance (pive eTreppkd the rîght

3 to store any c lassified material ?

4 A . We weren 't given that fina l pe rmission

5 yet . It said that w e could but we needed furhher 01;2

6 inspection to knspect our storage containers, our

7 safes .

8 Q. So as of today's date, eTreppid has never

9 been giv en a final security clearance to store

10 classified m aterial ; is that correct? :t:2

11 A . C orrect .

12 Q. And your explanation of the reason why is

13 what again, Mr . Venables?

14 A . The rules state that DSS , Defense Security

15 Service, is in charge of granting that final storage 01:

16 clearance . Th ey come and inspect what our entry and

17 exit p rocedures to r the b uikding , our ala rm code

18 stuff, and also what storaqe containers we fre using

19 and how we maintain the procedures for entering and

20 takinq out classified material, which was part of 01:

21 that review on December 10th , that Jay Dixon came to

22 start -- initiate.

23 Q. A1l right. Let's go back to -- let's go

24 back to the various technologies that you were





r ->' ''-h a 4

1 inv olved in , and 'L gu ess We 're up to some tim e in

2 2001, and we've got: the video game technology,

3 correct?

4 A . Correct.

5 Q . And the other technology -- what did we cl:2

6 call that, Mr . Venables?

7 A . T forget the name of iL . it was a med ia

8 player for the lntel Home Theater Gystem .

9 Q . And what time in 2001 does that take us

10 to? 0t:

11 A . That was up untâl 2002 before we moved to

12 our current bu iYding .

13 We movecl to our current building in August

14 of 2002 .

15 Q. Okay. And whah did you work on after 01:

16 these other technologies that you mentioned for

17 eTreppid Technology?

18 A . The building we moved into had no network

19 infrastructure whatsoever . 1 wo rked on setting a11

20 that up, working with contractors to wire our o1

21 bullding , setting up al1 the network stuff.

22 We had nothing in that building, so I

23 worked on that .

6k

'

24 Q. For how long?

L T Z A C Ll A P E N , C C R z RM R ( 7 7 5 ) 3 2 3 - 5 4 9 2 .




) ..,h pb

1 A . It took about a year to get it to whe re it

2 is now.

3 Q . So dur Lng that year, clid you have anything

4 to do w ith creating source codkng for any codes for

5 eTreppid Technology? o1:2

6 A . On a regular basis, 1 dealt wihh Michael

7 a nd wh a t h e w a s d(7 i ng , b u t o t h e r t h a n t h a t , no .

8 Q . M i c #1 a e 1 'a h o ?

9 A . M i cëla e 1 Sva t e k . wo r k ing o n t he game

10 ertg ine . :l:2

11 Q. So other than thatr for another whole

12 year -- we lre now up to when in 2002, would you say?

13 A . We rre into 2003 by the time we finalize

14 our full network setup .

15 Beginning in 2003, I was involved with û1:2

16 doing a11 the purchasing and designing of the

17 h ardware that Le 's got out the re on that rack --

18 system of racks .

19 Q. So, again, no involvement with regard to

20 creating source coding for eTreppid Technolog ies? 91:2

21 A. No.

22 Q. Is there any time up to the present, since

23 your involvement in the video games, where you've

(' 24 been involved in creating source

code for eTrepp id





7 -7 a6

1 Technology?

2 A . N o t s i n c 6) t h e n n o -

3 Q. Do you have any knowledge as to what

4 percentage of the eTrepp âd business involved data

5 comp ress ion techn olog y up untit December of 2002? c1:2

6 A . I have no idea where the b reakdown of

7 money cam e from .

8 Q. So you have no knowledge of even what was

9 paid for any of the projects eTreppid was working on?

10 A . No . 01:2

11 Q . Do you have any knowledge of how many

12 projects eTreppid was doinq?

13 A . Total. number, no .

14 I think Patty Gray, Dennis and W arren were

15 probably one the only ones -- the only three that 01:

16 know al1 that.

17 Q. Let 's call one technology data

18 compression .

19 You apparently never worked on any source

20 coding for data compression? :1:

21 A. That 's correct .

22 Q. We 'l1 call the other one video compression

23 technology .

j' 24 Is that basically the game? The video

LIZA CHAPEN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492 .




h 7 8 -1

1 game ?

2 A . No . V ideo comp ressëon is for playing baek

3 video, such as a IIVD or just a video file itself,

4 like, for exampiey compressânq a DVD m ovie to fit

5 onto a CD. 01:2

6 Q. So you have no knowledge as to how much

7 source coding was done by eTreppid for video

8 compre ssion tec bnology; ks that correct?

9 A. I 've seen the variou s programmers and what

10 projects they're working on and -- 01:2

11 Q. Do you --

12 A . -- l've dealt with that video compression

13 for the Intel Media Player .

14 Q. Do you know what percentage of the company

15 business that Lnvolved? 01:2

16 A . No iclea .

17 Q. Do you know what percentage of the company

18 revenues that involved?

19 A . 1 have no idea .

20 Q. But again you never created any source 01:

21 coding yourself for that?

22 A . N o.

23 Q. Did you ever have any access directly

' 24 where

you looked at the souree coding for video





) '-5 8 i'

1 comp ress ion techno logy?

2 A . I h ,it ci w o r k e d w i. t h o n e o f t he p r og r amme r s

3 on the stream ing of our video com pressed videor

4 Lalith Tennetir so T've seen some of Lhe projects he

5 Worked on . 01:2

6 And a lso with one of the prior employees,

7 Amit .

8 1 forget Am it's last name .

9 l've seen some of the stuffy helping them

10 hroubleshoot , comp iling stuff. :1:2

11 Q. Do you know how many Lines of source

12 coding there are at eTreppid for the video

13 compression technoloqy?

14 A . 1 have no idea.

15 Q. Do you know how many lines of source 01:2

16 coding the re are at eTrepp id for the data compression

17 techno iogy ?

18 A. No .

19 Q. When you gave a11 this direct testimony

20 and you were doing this search with a11 of the other 01:

21 employees, as you put it, did you go back and look

22 for source coding for data compression or video

23 compression technology?

24 A

. we looked for all deleted files .





) -) 89

1 Q. Did you look for any source coding for

2 da t a c o mp r e s s .i. o n t e (7 #1 n o 1 o (g y ?

3 A . Y ou c a rt ' 11 d o a s e a r c h f o r (1 e 1 e t e d f i le s b y

4 w h a t k i. n d o f t e c h f k o .L o g y i t i s .

5 Q . 1 s the )' e an y da t a comp re s s i o n t e chn o l ogy 01:2

6 s o u r c e c o d i n g 84 t e T .r e p p i d t. o d a y # i f y (3 u k n o w ?

7 A . T don 't know what fjles we 've recovered .

8 We 're still in the p roeess of recovering

9 deleted files ; we have n't gone through them all.

10 Q. So you could -- as you s1t here Loday, :z:2

11 there could be tens of thousands of source eodes --

12 MR. JAKOPIN: Objection.

13 BY MR . FLYNN :

14 Q. -- for data compression technoloqy in the

15 computers at e'rreppid that you haven 't even checked 01:2

16 yet ; is that correct?

17 MR . JAKOPIN : Objectâon; using ''aource

18 codes'l is improper, foundation.

19 THE COURT: 1 'm not sure I understand the

20 objection. 01:2

21 THE WITNESS: He keeps using the term

22 wrong .

23 THE COURT : A11 right. Rephrase your

t ' 24 question and then we'll go from there.

LIZA CHAPENr CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




'*-') -7 90

- - . -

X

l BY MR . FLYNN :

i 2 Q . In the computers, as you sit here todayz

3 at eTreppid Techno loqy, is there source coding fo r

4 data compression technology?

5 A . I have no idea what we 've recove red . 01:z

6 Q . You don 'b know?

7 A . It cou kcl be .

8 We haven 't gone thro ugh it all. We 've

9 actua lly -- working w ihh 1aw enforcement o fficials,

10 they don 't want u s to tamper w ith any more of the 01:

11 evidence o f trying to recover this.

12 Q. So as you sit here today, since you

13 haven 't gone through it all, there could be tens of

14 thousands of source codes for data compression

15 techno logy alone on the eTreppid computers; is that 01:

16 correct ?

17 A . That doesn 't really m ake sense .

18 MR. JAKOPIN: Objection; confusing.

19 THE WITNESS: That doesnbt really make

20 sense -- on

21 THE CCURT: Well, 1 fm not sure --

22 THE WITNFSS : -- what you fre saying , but

23 maybe you can clarify it .

.

k 24 THE COURT: Hold on . Stop . Stop .





..... w$ 91

1 I ' m 11 O L S L1 r O t h a t i h él V e t h e u IR d C) C S 12 il IR d i n V

2 yet to make a determination as to whether or not it's

3 confusing. l'm not sure that that's an objection

4 that 1 would sustain, anyway .

5 So i''m qoinq to allow th is testimony for e1:3

6 whatever it 's wo rth so it he lp s m e get educated about

7 what the âssues irz this case are.

8 1 Im beginning to see tha t there 's an issue

9 between sou rce code, singular, source code, p lural,

10 and whether we tre talking about line s of source code ona

11 and lines of data codes as opposed to separate

12 codes, but I want to learn a little bit more about

13 this, and so allowing me to listen to th is helps me

14 to do that .

15 So if you 'd indulge me a little bit, 01:

16 please, 1 'd like to hear a little more about this.

17 BY M R . FLYNN :

18 Q. Mr. Venables, we bve established that there

19 are, I think as you put it, hund reds of source codes

20 for the video game technology that you worked on that n1:

21 are still at eTrepp id; is that correct?

22 A. We 've recovered hundreds of files that

23 were deleted . What the contents of those files or

; jI4 what -- if there :5 actually any codes

,

we know that





&$ 9 2

l some file s have zero contents because they were wiped

2 clean .

3 So the re 's a file name but zero code is

4 within that fike .

5 Q. Welre just talking about the video qame 01:3

6 now .

7 A . The video game?

8 Q. Yeah, just the video game.

9 A . W e haven 't --

10 Q. Are there hundreds of source codes just on 01:3

11 the video game, as you testified before, that are

12 still on the eTrepp id --

13 A . That ss like saying there 's hundreds of

14 tomatoes in the video game .

15 What you 're saying doesn 't make any sense 01:3

16 in any way .

17 THE COURT: Well, hold on just a second.

18 THE WITNESS : We have a11 --

19 THE COURT: Stop .

20 THE WITNESS : -- the video -- 01:

21 THE COURT: Stop .

22 THE WITNESS: -- game files.

23 THE COURT : When 1 say hold on, I mean

:4 stop

.

- L ' '





9 3

1 Yo u gsp t aiuli ? . . -. --.-.-- - --- ..- . .. .-- - -----

2 T H E W 1 ' t' N K S S : O k a y .

3 T H El C O IJ 3) T : A 1 1 r i (g è) t . W h a t. I w o u 1 d 1 i- k e

4 b0th of you to do is to try to allow the other one to

5 finish . This is not like normal conversat ion . Q::3

6 W e've Jot a court reporter here that 's goL

7 to get down w hatls being saâd , and I know tha t ih 's

8 not an easy thtng to do if you lre not used to it .

9 So, p lease , if he 's asking a question , let

10 him finish it. If he 's ma king an answer , let him 01:3

11 finish it .

12 A nd :'m sorry for the interruption r but 1

13 just want to try to deal with this issue right now.

14 So gc) ahead , please .

15 MR . FLYNN: Thank you, you r Honor. 01:3

16 BY MR. FLYNN :

17 Q. Mr. Venables, let's try it this way.

18 You say you have found deleted files of

19 source code; is that correct?

20 A . Correct . o1;a

21 Q. Have you found deleted files of source

22 code on your video game technology?

23 A . 1 said in the beginning, those files were

24 neve r deleted.





,.- .

: 4

1 Q . Tha rl k yo u .

2 Have you found deleted files of source

3 code on data comp ression technology ?

4 A . I have found de leted folders for a program

5 called ET Adaptive , wh ich 1 be l.ieve is the data 01:3

6 compression program .

7 Q. What makes you believe that?

8 A . Because I asked the programmer, Venka, who

9 was working on it what it 's used for and he said data

10 compression . 01:

11 Q. And when you say you found deleted filesz

12 you found files -- you saw something that showed you

' p3 that the files were once there and now they re not

14 there? Or did you recover them?

15 A . Some zocations, we didn 't recover them . 01:

16 Like the programmersl ma chines, they

17 re covered file nam es but zero content s in the fiYes .

18 On the server, I've recovered the folders

/9 and aome of the files but not all of the files.

20 Q. Okay . On video compression technology 01

21 software, have you found any files at eTreppid -- on

22 eTreppid computers that were never deleted?

23 A. No.

f 24 Q nave you looked?





-- ; ' w 95

.

'

'

. .

- -

1 A . W e''ze looked a11 over . We loo ked on every

2 mach ine in the butlding

.

3 Q . For video compression?

4 A . Ry lideo comp ression, 1 assume that you're

5 talking about the video Codec that we use . :1:3

6 There 's various names for it . ETVC is one

7 o f them . ERVP is another one. t don 't remember a1l

8 o f them , but we haven 't found any of those on

9 anybody 's work stations or the serve r .

' 10 Q . Have you made any effort to recover those 01:3

11 files?

12 A . Ye s, I have .

f 13 Q

.

What did you do?

14 A . From the SRCSERVKR, we 're running the

15 program made by Execut ive Software called Emergency H :

16 Undelete . It 's made for recovering deleted files.

17 Q . And have you recovered any o f them?

18 A . l've got some folders with the names of

19 the video Codec s.

20 We haven't gone throuqh a11 of them yet. 01:

21 It 's still run ning . It takes weeks and weeks to

22 piece th ese pieces together.

23 Q. That 's how I understand it.

f files have you recovered to date4 How many





. . .

'

.w.. 9 6

l and how long -- how many fi les have you recovered to

( 2 date on the video compression technology?

3 A. t have no idea. 1 just have a total

4 number of gigab ytes that l 've recovered

.

5 Q. What is that? 01:3

6 A . About 40 to 50 giqabytes have been

7 recovered .

8 Q. How long has that recove ry program been

9 running?

10 A . Since January 12th. 01:a

11 Q. And how long will it -- it will take weeks

12 longer to continue ho run it to recover files; is

1 3 t h a t c o r r e c t ?

14 A . By Lhe current rate

,

probably.

15 Q. Okay . And is that technology, the 01:a

16 recovery technoiogy going to enable you to recover

17 al1 of the source codes on the video comp ression

18 technology ?

19 A. I have no idea .

20 Q. You don 't know? ozta

21 A . No .

22 Q. How many source codes, what you describe

23 as source codes have you recovered to date on the

24 video compression technology?

LIZA CfG PEN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




.1 .,.. ' %q,..r () -/

é

.---- ---------- --

1 A . I have no idea .

( 2 I just have the recovered folders and

3 Cilesr and nobody has access to ît right now . It 's

4 not even p lugged into our networ k.

5 Q. Why not? 01:3

6 A . We don 't w ant to corrupt anything . W e

7 want to preserve the state that it was in at the

8 point of delet ion .

9 Q. Just yes or no.

10 Did you ev er have a conv ersation with :1:

11 Mr. Trepp instructing you to go into Mr . Montgomeryfs

12 work station and try to recover classified .

( 13 information or classified source codes?

14 A . He a sked me to recover what files I could

15 find , in particular the e-mail files which I did 01:

16 recove r .

17 Q . What did you do to try to recover?

18 A . I ran the same program I already talked

19 about, Fme rgency Undelete .

20 Q. And just yes or no. 0z:

21 Did you ever have a conve rsation with

22 Mr. Montgomery about a certain governmental agency

23 requiring intrusion devices on a11 of the equipment

24 Mr. Montgomery was working on?





. ., ., -..-., j) (y

1 A . N e v e r .

2 Q. Do you know what an intrusion device is?

3 A . Yes. l 've got orte on ou r C ksco route r .

4 Q. What is an intrusion device?

5 A . lt de tects if someb ody is try ing to get 01:3

6 into the th ing, and it w ill usua Lly 1og it ; try to

7 block it and log it .

8 Q . Does -- so as I understand it you have no

9 knowledge o f whatever governmental interact ion

10 M r. M ontgome ry had to establish tntrusion devices 01:3

11 that would self-destru ct any information on

12 Mr. Montgomery fs equipment?

13 A . I have no knowledge of any of hks

14 interactions.

15 I know what 's on a1l the machines in the on a

16 building .

17 Q . Do you know whether or not there is an

18 intrusion devùce on Mr . Montgomery's workplace --

19 A . No, there 's no such --

20 Q. -- computers, that if anyone tries to n1:3

21 access without certain codes, self-destructs al1 the

22 material in the computers?

23 A. There 's no such thing

.

24 Q. To your knowledge?

LI ZA CHAPEN , CCR, RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3- 54 92




.-- x-- 9 9

1 A . 'l' o m y' k rl o w 1 e d q e a n d o 11 h e r s i n t h e b u i l d i n g

2 that l've consulted : Jessie Anderson, Lalith

3 Tenneti .

4 Q. Let's Lalk about audio compression

5 technology . 01:3

6 Did eT repp id do aud io compression

7 technolog y?

8 A . Yes .

9 Q . Do you have any knowledge of what

10 percentage o f the busine ss was audio compression nli

11 techno logy ?

12 A . 1 have no idea .

13 Q . And 1 Lake it you donlt know what kind of

14 revenue the audio comp ression technology generated?

15 A . No. 01:

16 Q. Did you ever do work on audio compression

17 technolog y?

18 A . No.

19 Q. In the last several weeks, have you made

20 an effort to examine the computers of eTreppid to ol:

21 determine whether any audio compression technology

'

22 software files are presen t or not present?

23 A . We 've loo ked for what we call ETAC,

24 eTreppid Audio Codec or compression

,

and none of our





..-

.

.....

10 ()

y

I

1 prog ramm ers ' work stations, none of the machines out

2 in the warehouse have it.

3 1 believe I've recovered a folder or two

4 from SRCSERVER, but 1 don ît know what the contents

5 are . 01:3

6 Q. Are you running any recovery technology

7 for any aud io compression software ?

8 A. We 're zecovering any and a11 files that we

9 can find on SRCSERV RR that have been deleted .

10 It doesn't look for any particular kind of 01:4

11 file; it just looks for any deleted files.

12 Q . So has any -- have any source code files

13 been recoveredr if you knowr in audio compression

14 technology software?

15 A . The re ls a couple of folders that are fo r 01:

16 ETAC .

17 Q. Okay . And that's currently on the

18 company's premises?

19 A . Yes.

20 Q. Now, Irm just going to use three different ol:

21 descriptive terms and 1111 just ask you some

22 yes-or-no questions. Okay?

23 A . Okay .

t 2 4 u

o b j e c t t r a c k .. n q .





-.. .

'%...

1 0 1-

.- - - - - .-

1 DO you know, ye s or no , whether eT reppid

2 Technologies has ang government contracts with regard

3 to object tracking?

4 A . Yes .

5 Q. Have you ever done any computer 01:4

6 programmîng on object tracking?

7 A. No .

8 Q. Have you ever had access to any of the

9 source codes for object tracking'?

10 A . No. 01:4

11 Q. Who at eTreppid has had access to the

12 source codes for object tracking?

13 A. A person l mentioned beforey Krishna.

14 Zehang Sun is working on it w ith a team o f

15 peop le downstakrs, in our downstaîrs area which 1 01:4

16 haven 't m ent ioned yet. We have anothe r ten peop le

17 down there . A l1 of them -- not aYl of them , but a

18 majority of them are working on that stuff.

19 Q. Under Mr . Montgomery 's supervision?

20 A . Yes . n1:

21 Q. And is it true to say that each of these

22 individuals has on ly had bits and pieces, and only

23 Mr. Montgomery has the full picture of what 's being

24 worked on?





' -. ...- 1 O 2

,

1 A . I hav e no idea how he de legated .

2 Q. That's a11 classified; is Lhat correct?

3 A . How he delegates isn dt classified; only

4 the classified m ate rial .

5 Q. The work heing done i:; a11 classified? 01:4

6 A . They can work on a1 L kinds of program, but

7 the classified material which we receive ftom the

8 qovernment agency is classified .

9 So they can program on wh atever they want,

10 but they can 't h andle -- they can 't see classified 01:4

11 mater ial because none o f them have clearances

.

12 Q. Only M r. Montgomery?

13 A. Correct.

14 Wel l, we have -- six people have

15 clearances in the bu ilding

.

01:4

16 Q. So to your knowledge, were they doing line

17 coding?

18 A. Yes, they were

.

19 Q. Bits and pieces?

20 A . They were working on whatever; I have no 0z:4

21 idea what they were doing exactly.

22 Q. On average, how many codes can a

23 programmer do a day?

24 How many line codes could a programmer do





-.- ...- 1 () a

-

1 per day?

2 A. 1 have no idea what the -- a 1ot of it is

3 edihing pre-ex àsting lines not generating new lines.

4 So ( wauld say the ma jority of the days

5 are spent on tweaking and modifying existing lines. 91:4

6 Q. 1 fm qoing to use another descriptive term ,

7 and 1'11 just ask for yes or no.

8 To you r knowledge, did eTrepp id Technology

9 have any cla ss ified governm ent contracts w ith regard

10 to pattern re cognit ion technology? 01:4

11 A . We only have one classified con tract, to

12 my knowledge, and that 's -- that 's in our file on

13 record.

14 Q. so you don't even - - do you know what

15 pattern recogn ttion technology is? Yes or no? onx

16 A . Ye s.

17 Q. And to your knowledge, you don't even --

18 you have no awareness, as you sit here today, of what

19 eTreppid was doing on pattern recognition?

20 A. I have bits and pieces of what I lve seen 01:4

21 going on in the building, but I don 't have the full

22 picture.

23 Q. Do you have any idea how many source codes

24 have ever exiyted on pattern recognition technology?





.. ... j ...- 10 1

/

m - - - .- -

=

1 A. No , I làave no idea .

2 Q. Do you have any idea where any of those

3 source codes cou ld ever be found anywhere?

4 A. We1G àf we go by what Dennis told me, a11

5 the source code is on SRCSERVER . 1 know what the 01:4

6 contents of the SRCSERVER were by file, number of

7 files, and total file size .

8 Q. So this is just based on what

9 Mr . Montgome ry toLd you?

10 A . R ight . 01:4

11 If he sa id it 's not there, if he's saying

12 it 's not the re, then I would have no idea .

13 Q. Have you ever seen any of the contracts

14 Mr. Trepp and Mr. Montgomery signed with a certain

15 governmental aqency with regard to either object 01:4

16 tracking or pattern recognition technology?

17 A . If you 're talking about sp ecial access

18 program stuff, no, I don 't have any knowledge of it .

19 Q. So you have no knowledge of the terms of

20 any of those contracts? 01:

21 A. No.

22 Q. And with regard to Mr. Montgomery 's

23 supervision techniques of the people working under

( 24 himy the programmers

,

you have no knowledge of what

.





. .,., ï xxr. 1 () 5

y

1 he was allowed to share and what he was not al lowed

' 2 to share in order to get the work done; is that

3 correct?


5 Q. 1'm going to use another term, and just ond

6 answer y es o r noz please.

7 Fac Lal recognition technolègy. Have you

8 ever heard that term at eTrilppid Technologies?

9 A . Yes. T 've seen the work in progress being

10 done by the people downstairs . 01:4

11 Q. Have you ever seen the source codes for

12 facial rec ogn ition technoloqy?

13 A. No, I haven 't.

14 Q. Who was the individual at eTreppid that

15 was doing the wor k on facial recognition technology? :1:4

16 A . Zehang Sun 's team . He has a team of

17 people wor king unde rneath him .

18 Q. Under the supervision of Mr. Montgomery?

19 A . Right.

20 Q . And have you, in any recovery program 01:

21 you 've been implementing, made an effort to recover

22 any source codes for facial recognition technology?

23 A . As 1 said, we 're not looking for any -- we

' 24 cantt look by any particular technology, just by





ww . '..- 10 6) :

1 file, deleted filia.

2 Q. So you just went on a11 of

3 M r. Montgomery 's computers, some of which are, in

4 factz a certa in governmental agency's comp uters ; is

5 that correct? 91:4

6 MR . PEEK: Counsel, 1 can 't see the

7 Witness .

8 THE WITNESS ; None of those m achines out

9 the re have been certified for (rlassified material

,

if

10 tha tîs what you 're asking. 01:4

11 BY MR. FLYNN :

12 Q. As you sit here today, are you aware that

13 a certain qovernme ntal agency brought kn computers?

14 A . Yes.

15 Q. Have you attempted to access those 01:4

16 computers?

17 A . They to ok those comp uters bac k away

.

18 Q. When did they do that?

19 A. Last year sometime, 1 believe

.

Last

20 spring . :::4

21 Q. And they took the source codes with them?

22 A . I don 't believe so

.

They just took

23 hardware.

'

24 Q. Were the source codes on the hardware?





..s,. w .. 1. () y

1 A . Mr . Morttgom ery had me make a p rogram that

( 2 would delete a1L the hard drives in al1 the computers

3 we gave b ack to th em .

4 Q. So it's your testimony today that all

5 those source codes at eT repp id were taken b y the 01:

6 gove rnment?

7 A . No . We ran Active Kill, I believe Lhat

8 one was called. It's a DOD certified program for

9 wiping a11 those hard drives.

10 Those were a11 given back clean slate . 01:

11 Q. So what was left?

12 THE COURT: Is this a good time to take a

( 13 llttle break?

14 M R . FLYNN : Sure .

15 THE: COURT : Wefve been going not quite two 01:

16 hours.

17 MR . FLYNN : Just on e question z your Honor?

18 THE COURT: Sure. Go ahead .

19 BY MR . FLYNN :

20 Q . So to your knowledge, what is left at n1

21 eTreppid with regard to the source codes for that

22 technology that was wiped out?

23 A. I have no idea what source code was used

( 24 for that project.

LIZA CHAPENZ CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




ee .

) .... 10 ()

1 M R . FLYNN : Thank you , your Hono r .

' 2 THE COURT: A11 right. Let's be in recess

3 until -- le t's m ake it five a fter 11 :00 .

4 (Recess taken.)

5 THE COUBT : Please be seated . 92:0

6 M R. FLYNN : Thank you, your Honor.

7 THE COUPT: Oh, by thé way, before you

8 sharty I do have an order permittinq you to practice .

9 1'11 file that in with the clerk.

10 And then when you conform Lhe eop ies , give 02:0

11 them the copies, tloo, please .

12 MR. FLYNN: Thank, your Honor. It 's nice

13 to b e lega l for a change .

14 THE COURT : Doesn lt hurt .

15 Go ahead . 02:

16 BY MR . FLYNN :

17 Q . Mr . Venab les how m any hard drives are

18 there at eTreppid Technology?

19 A . I don 't know . 1 -- since I purchased them

20 all, I should know an accurate number, but we lve :2:

21 bought many, many hundreds.

22 I would say , total , we probably have about

23 a thousand, but no more than 2000.

2 4 fa

Ha z.d dr lve s ?

L I ZA CHAPEIN r CCR , RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3- 54 92




s... ... 1 o 9

1 A . Y e a h . C o r r e c t .

' 2 Q. How many files are on those hard drives?

3 A . W e fve got --

4 Q. Your best estimate?

5 A . We bve got p lenty that only have a couple 02:0

6 of files in them in our file cabinets in the

7 warehouse .

8 Q. Collectively/ how many would you estimate?

9 Or can you ?

10 A . 1 can 't estimate . 02:0

11 Q. How many computers do you have at eTreppid

12 Technology?

13 A. On my network, 1 have less than a hundredz

14 but we pve go t pzenty of other ones that are not in

15 use or -- 02:0

16 Sayy total, 200 or less computers.

17 Q. If 1 suqgested to you there were over

18 150 million files on eTreppid Technology computers,

19 would you disagree?

20 A. No . n2:

2 1 Q . B u t y o u do n ' t kn o w ?

22 A . I would say --

23 Q. You can 't give us your best estimate?

24 A

. Since T've seen a 1ot of the files we 've





h ag-' w ' 1 J. (j

1 been going ove r the l.ast couple of weeks on most of

( 2 these hard drives in the warehouse and what have you,

3 a lo t of them have ind ivi.dua l frames of video , so a

4 s ing le frame for every second, or less than 30 frames

5 a se cond they were recorded at, so you r number of a oz:

6 million or more would be accurate becau se it contains

7 a 1ot of these vjdeo frames .

8 Q. Wellr L50 million?

9 A . Right. That's --

10 Q. How many of the 150 million have you 02:

11 ch ecked to date?

12 A. In the past two wee ks, sin ce the 10th,

(' 13 I've looked at just about every hard drive in the

14 building .

15 Q. How many files have you checked to date, 02:

16 o f the 150 million?

17 A . 1 haven 't opened ev ery single file . I #d

18 say I'd open a folder and it has like a thousand

19 frames of somethingr Ifl1 just look at the first one

20 and then go to som ething else . 02:

21 Q. So of the 150 million filesw can you tell

22 the Court today how many are still on the eTreppid

23 computers that have never been de leted?

( '4 A

. I d say about 80 percent are not source





y.,. x 'x- 1 1 l ;

1 code and those aren't de leted.

2 Q . Now, perhaps it was an oversiqht of mine,

3 but as T understand it, there is a fa irly significant

4 little structure zâgh t there on eTrepp id premises : is

5 there not? o2:n

6 A . In Lhe downstairs -- center of the

7 downsta irs area, our little private room?

8 Q. Yes.

9 Could you -- would gou indulge me and put

10 it where you think it should go, the private room? 02:1

11 A. Tt's underneath -- say this is the rest of

12 the bu ilding here; it 's about located center

13 downstairs .

14 Q. Have you ever been in the private room ?

15 A . Yes . 02:

16 Q . How many times?

17 A . In the past two weeks, I 've spent a lo t o f

18 time there .

19 Q. Before the past two weeks, how many times

20 were you in the private room? 02:

21 A . Very little .

22 Q . Who had access to the private room at

23 eTreppid?

24 A

. Warren and Dennis and Patty and some

LIZA CHAPIEN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




..,. x ..v 1 1. 2

1 o u t s i d e g c) v e r n me n t. p (a o p 1. e .

2 Q. Just ii you can give me a number, how many

3 of those outside government peop Le that had access Lo

4 the private room have you ever dea lh with?

5 A . 1 dealt with two o f them a 1ot recently

,

:2:

6 and I've dealt with them in the past .

7 Other than that, wM had some with the

8 special access program

. 1 dealh with a1l of them

9 reqularly.

10 I hacl to know who they were com ing and 02:1

11 going out of the buildâng. They can 't just get to

12 that room without coming through our -- one of our

13 outside doors.

14 Q. These government people you 've dealt with

15 in the last two weeks, who contacted them? 02:1

16 Did you?

17 A . No

.

18 Q. Who at eTreppid do you know contacted

19 them ?

20 A. Jay Dixon actually is the guy with DSL

. I n2:1

21 brought him in there

.

22 But outside that, there are government

23 people that Wa rren contacted

.

24 Q. Who --

LTZA CHAPEN, CCR: RMR (775) 323-5492




,.. '. w 113 ) .

1 Strike that.

( 2 Y o u (3 e )' s o n a 1 1 y c o n t a c t e d J a y D i x o n ?

3 A. Wezl, it was -- we're on a regular contact

4 basis since he 's our representative with our facility

5 clearance . n2:l

6 Q . What is in the private room?

7 A . A couple of tables, a couple of computers,

8 and a coup le o f secure containers; safes .

9 Q. And have you made an effort in the last

10 several wee ks to access those computers ? 02:

11 A . The -- one of them wasn 't even plugged in .

12 The other one was running and I saw what

( 13 was on it.

14 Q. What was on it? Just in terms of a

15 genera l description? 02:

16 A. Basically just operating system and

17 M icro so ft O ffice and access to the Internet ; no thing

18 else .

19 Q. Okay . Did you make any effort to access

20 any of the files on either of these two computers? 02:

21 A. No. I just saw what was on them.

22 I connected one o f them to the Internet .

23 Q. Did you bring Mr. Dixon into that room?

24 A. He requested to go there to see where our





......

-

; ..... y 1 1 4

1 containers were .

2 Q. Now, I believe you had previously

3 testified that these computtqrs down here belong to

4 eTrepp id?

5 A . I 'm awa re hh at some of them w ere paid fo r 02:1

6 by various government agencies; I don 't know which

7 ones belong to us / whi.ch ohes don't .

8 Q . Just -- did you testify before the break

9 that these belong to eTreppid?

10 A . 1 don lt believe 1 said that. 02:

11 Q. Okay. How many computers are there in

12 th is bank here next to Mr . Montgomery's work station?

13 A. Currently, there's like 30 or less.

14 Q. And do you have any knowledge of who owns

15 those 30 or less compute rs? 02:

16 A . There 's two banks, actually .

17 MR . PEEK : Counse l, I can ît see the

18 witness .

19 THE W ITNESS : There 's two banks .

20 The one ban k I'm describing there is the n2:

21 one that Dennis worked on regularly. The re 's another

22 bank that's just along the same wall that had a11 our

23 security cameras hooked -- connected to it .

24 They 're the same kind of

- -

sam e exact





y eve' -g j. 1 jj -

1 computer, same exact cab inets .

' 2 BY M R

.

FLYNN :

3 Q. The question agajn ts, who owns hhose

4 compuhers?

5 A. 1 have no idea. :2:1

6 I know 1 purchased alL of them and

7 eTreppid paid for a11 of them . I don 't know if they

8 Were paid for through outside contraets . I don 't

9 know .

10 Q. Do you know whether there are any source 02:

11 code s in those coraputers?

12 A . The surveillance compute rs don 't have

f 13 anything

,

and -- don 't have anything except for video

14 recording softwaze, which is outside third-party .

15 This bank of computers has nothing on them 02:

16 anymore. Warren and I went and looked on each one

17 and there 's nothing on any of them .

18 Q . Who --

19 A. Just operat ing system .

20 Q. Who else was in the room when you tried to 02

21 look on those computers?

22 A. Just Warren and me .

23 Q . Ancl you found nothing?

3

(. , 4 A

. Tha t :5 c o r r e c t .





.. . .w

.

& 1 (;' ) ?

1 Q . What did you do to try to access any of

( 2 the source codes jn those computers?

3 A. We just logqed on and looked ho see what

4 was on the drives and there was nothing; just

5 operating system . 02:1

6 Q. And every sinqle file on a1l 30 computers

7 had nothing?

8 A . We do a regular partition o f drive space

r

9 so the sp ace where data ùs kept

,

the ''E'' partit kon

10 had nothing on it; zero files

.

02:1

11 Q. Now, this 80 percent of the files

,

the

12 150 million files hhat are stiLl at errreppid.

t 13 A . U h - huh .

14 Q. How many of those have source codes?

15 A. None of them . They /re al1 sample test 02:1

16 files .

17 Q. I beLieve you testified that the game

18 engines for your video program, there were about a

19 hundred source code files still at eTreppid

,

correct ?

20 A. On Michael's machine

.

oz:z

21 These aren 't any of the other drives I 've

22 looked throughout the building

.

23 Q. Now, I understand that, but overall in the

( 24 computers, there's about a hundred source codes just

LIZA CIIAPEN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




.-. .- 117 ;

1 for the video games that are stikl there?

( 2 A . T w o h a r' cl d r i v e s : M 'g ln a c h i. n e a n d M i c h a e 1 ' s

3 machine .

4 Q. And --

5 A. I bel.ieve there migh h be a couple in the n2:1

6 SRCSERVER shill .

7 Q . A copy on the SRCSERVER?

8 A . Co rrect .

9 Q. Let me show you you r Declaration signed

10 under the penalties of perjury. It was filed in this o2:z

11 case.

12 MR . FLYNN : On the copy I have, your

J 13 Honor, there 's no date on it, it 's blank, but therels

14 a signature, but itfs among th e documents that were

15 filed to support the TRO . 02:

16 THE COURT : A 11 right

. Go ahead . I 've

17 got it .

18 MR . FLYNN: You 've got it, your Honor?

19 BY MR . FLYNN :

20 Q . Did you prepare this Declaration? 02:

21 A . Yes.

22 Q. Did you, yourself, personally type it up?

23 A . No .

( 24 Q. Did you prepare it in conjunction with

LIZA CfG PEIN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




).....x; wux.... 1 1 i)

. . - ..

t-

1 counsel for eTrepp îd ?

2 A . Ye s .

3 Q. Now, you say in paraqraph 11, page three,

4 bottom of the page .

5 '' F r tlm t h i.s c h e c k '' - - 02 : 1

6 Th i s wa s a f t e r yo u re t: u rned f rom va cat ion .

7 Y o u c a n r e a d a 1

o n g w i t h me . '

8 A . O k a y .

9 Q . '' F'rtlm t h i s che c k , I det e rmi

ne d t ha t a l 1 o f

10 the eT r epp i

d s () u r c e c ode s t o r e d o n e a ch o f t h e s e 02 : 1

11 s e rve r s h a d b e () n d e le t ed . ''

12 A . Ri gt1 t .

13 Q. Is that truthful?

14 A . It ds a little bit of an overstatem ent

15 since the game engine, khere 's a copy of the game n2:1

16 engine probably still there.

17 Q. And how much -- how many of the files have

18 you not even checked yet?

19 A . The rest of the folders were completely

20 deleted . 02:1

21 If I cou ld explain the way the structure

22 of the hard drive is.

23 Q . Sure .

24 A. We have four main folders on that





'

) ) 1'9

1 SRCSERVER. The one called KT Latest was where all of

' 2 the source code, except for the game engine, was

3 stored .

4 The game engine, Michae l and 1 kept as a

5 separate bac kup . We dâdnft -- slkn ce it only involved oz:t

6 he and 1, it was only he and I hhat kep t backups of

7 itr and Dennis wa s aqrèeable w tth this.

8 A11 the rest of the source code was kept

9 under this ET Latest folder and ET Development

10 folder . o2:l

11 Those fclders were de Leted, completely

12 delehed out ; nothing existed underneath tho se .

13 Q. But since you were never given prior

14 access, as for the source codes for object tracking,

15 pattern recognition, and face recognition, you 02:

16 wouldn 't even know what source codes to look for,

17 wo uld yo u?

18 A . I don't know if they were ever there . I

19 wouldn 't know . I don 't know what the actual programs

20 were called . o2:

21 There's a couple hundred different

22 projects underneath that, that were underneath that

23 ET Latest folder .

24 Q. So, again, you don't know whether they





I

) ; 120

1 were ever there, correct?

f 2 A . Correct .

3 Q. You clon't know whether the government took

4 them, correct ?

5 A. Correct . 02:

6 Q. And if they were ever hhere, you have no

7 knowledge of how they everz ah some point, were not

8 there?

9 A . Well: Jf they were never the re z 1 have no

10 idea i f they disappeared , co rrect . o2:

11 Q. Right.

12 If the assumption is at some point they

l

l 13 were there

,

without. using the word deleted, you have

14 no knowledge of how, at some point, they were there

15 and then not there? 02

16 A. I could only tell you what was there based

17 on what l .m recovering .

18 Q. And you were never given access --

19 Strike that .

20 You never had a conversation with 02

21 Mr. Mon tgomery about the methodology of the intru sion

22 detection devices that the government wanted to put

23 on these computers and these comp uters, did you?

44. 24 A

. N o .





'w .4 s > n...y' 12l

.

)

1 MR. FLYNN : A nd for Lhe record , when 1

( 2 said these computers, I was referring to the 30 or so

3 compute rs next to M r . Montgome ry's work station and

4 t he two comp uters in the so-called private area

.

5 THE COUHT: Tn Exhibit 1? 02:2

6 MR. FLYNN : On Exhibit 1.

7 Than k you , your Honor.

8 BY MR . FLYNN :

9 Q. Who were the programmers downstairs that

10 you re ferred to ? oa:2

11 A . You want the list by name?

12 Q. Yes.

t 13 A. Krishna Tangirala that 1 mentioned before.

14 '' C h :J '' - -

l 5 Q . A r e h i s f i 1 e s m i

s s i n g ? ()2 : 2

16 A. Yes. His hard drive had a completely new

17 hard d rive when I came bac k from my trip

.

18 Q. And the next one?

19 A . Chucai Huang.

20 Q. Are his files missing? 02:2

21 A . He îs working on someth ing that I don 't

22 even know what it is, so I couldn 't tell you

.

23 Some other people checked his machine; I

'

24 didn't.





N

) (' l 2 2 )

-

1 Q. But you don 't know whether this

t' 2 individual's ftles are missing or not?

3 A. No, I can 't say for sure .

4 Q. Who is the next programmer?

5 A . Such ita Samant . 02:

6 Q. Are his files missinq?

7 A. Tha tfs a lady .

8 She has reported to somebody else besides

9 me , as well.

10 Q . So you don 't know? 02:

11 A . I donlt know .

12 Then --

t 13 Q. When you say ''al1'' in youz Declaration,

14 were you referring to the ir file s, too?

15 A . I was talking about the two servers I had 02:

16 under my contro L.

17 Q. And of cou rse you never had under your

f

18 control the 30 or so computers next to

19 Mr . Montgomery 's work station on Exhibit 1 and the

20 private area; is that correct? 02

21 A . Correct .

22 Q. And who is the next individual?

23 A . Zehang Sun.

24 Q

. Were his files missing?





( ) / 1 123

1 A. He had his hard drive taken away from him .

( 2 Q. By who?

3 A . He sa id by Dennis .

4 Q. So right now, thts individual has no hard

5 drive ? 02:2

6 A. He had his wo rk-in-progress hard drive

7 removed -- the removable drive taken out . His

8 operating system drive is in there .

9 Q. Were there any files on that?

10 A . No. 02:

11 Q. Who is the next individual?

12 A . Not that 1 know of . Noh that I know of .

13 The next one in the room is -- I only

14 remember his first name, Yong Mian .

15 Q. Were any of his files missing? 02:

16 A . I don 't kn ow .

17 I didn 't -- half of the peop le downstairs,

18 I only talked to maybe three of them . The rest of

19 them were spoken to my Jessie and Patty .

20 Q. How many people are there downstairs? 02:

21 A. There are three more, in addition to the

22 ones I've mentioned .

23 Q . so since yourve never spoke to them, you

24 don't know whether any of their files are missing,

LI ZA CHAPEN , CCR , RMR ( 7 7 5) 32 3-54 92




( ) ' ) 12 4

. - - - -

a

1 e ither?

1 know what I was told by the others

2 A . I on y

3 who checked their computers .

4 Q. You don't personallg know?

5 A. Right . 02:2

6 Q. You mentioned something about a 1aw

7 enforcement person cominq to eTreppid?

8 A. No, I said aw enforcement told me not to

9 run the machines anymore, some of the machines that 1

10 was running recove ry on . p2;2

11 Th ey never came to the bu ilding.

12 Q . So you had a telephone conversation with

13 this person ?

14 A . T went to go meet h im outs ide the

15 building . 92:

16 Q. Who is this 1aw enforcement person?

17 THE WITNESS : Am I supposed to say?

18 MR . PEEK : Your Honor, the law enforcement

19 individuals have asked us not to identify that there

20 is ongoing investigation, so he 's a little reluctant 02:

21 to say that .

22 THE COURT: Well, you know --

23 MR . PEEK: So 1 know this is sealed, so --

'

.

,

24 bu t t he y a re co n c:e r ne d .





'

1 Y25

1 THE COURT : Wel l, 1 think that -- I mean ,

( 2 one of the things that 1 was going to address here

3 before we took our noon recess is this whole issue o f

4 classified informahion, what level of classification

5 we 're talking about, and fran kky, M r. Flynn, 1 n2:2

6 thought I hea rd you say, and 1 made a note o f it,

7 that there 's goihg to be a certain point at which we

8 need to have this private meeting, after wh ich this

9 whole matter is going to or may go to Federal Court.

10 M R. FLYNN : Yes, your Hono r. :2:2

11 THE COURT : Am I mistaken about that?

12 MR. PEEK : Well , that's what he sa id ; I

f , ,

13 don t think it s going to go to Federal Court .

14 THE COURT: I know e but 1et me hear --

15 MR. FLYNN: No, you r Ho no r, you rre not 02:

16 mistaken and, yes, your Honory we are going to reach

17 that point .

18 l've now learned from this witness that he

19 doesn't even know five percent enough of what we 're

20 talking about to testify about it, and the only one, 02:

21 probably, is Mr . Montgomery .

22 Mr . Trepp apparently doesn 't know, either .

23 So at some point, Mr. Trepp is going to

24 h

ave to be -- Mr. Montgomery is going to have to be





$-p '

,

v k ) 1 2 6

- - - .

1 on the witness stand and he's go ing ho have to go at

f 2 least to December '02 -- and 1'11 give you a copy of

3 this chronology -. and we're going to reach that

4 point at that time because l was wondering if,

5 franklyz if this ind ividual knew enough -- 92:

6 THE COURT : Well, I guess --

7 MR . ULYNN : -- and he doesn 't .

8 THR COUPT : Well, 1 guess there 's --

9 Let me finish this conversation here .

10 What I 1m looking at is a coup le o f things . 02:

11 Oner I've certainly enjoyed your company,

12 gentlemen, very much, and 1 enjoy the issues; it's

( 13 kind of an interesting case, but if this case is

14 going to go somewhere else, then I don 't want to sit

15 here and go through a half a day or a day of n2:

16 testim ony about things that , you know , I'm not going

17 to be ab le to u lt îm ate ly de cide .

18 Secondly, if there are things that are

19 classified or potent ially classified , 1 don 't have

20 enough understanding about those to make any kind of o2:

21 ruling whatsoever on it .

22 Thirdly, I would assume, and I don 't know

23 this, but I would assume that if the federal

( 24 government had a concern, the federal government





t ) 127

1 would be here, or the U.S . Attorney 's office would be

2 here or we would have a court order from some

3 federal gove rnment or agency d irecting me with rega rd

4 to how far this pzoce ss could qo .

5 Until 1 get that , then any que st ion that 's 02:2

6 as ked is go ing t.o be answered, so --

7 MR. PEEK: Your Honor, this was just

8 re lated to 1aw enforcement issues ; this wasn 't

9 related to the Department of Defense.

10 THE COURT: Well, I -- whatever it is, o2:z

11 until som ebody cites me to a statute or until

12 somebody gives me a court order thah says this stuff

13 can 't be discussed , then when a questkon is asked ,

14 T lm going to order it to be answered.

15 MR . PEEK : We're happy to 1e t him answer, 02:

16 you r Honor .

17 THE COURT : So --

18 MR. PEEK: I just was --

19 THE COURT : But back to my -- my question

20 is, is there someone at the Department of Defense or :2:

21 the other federal agency with whom I should have a

22 discussion about what should go forward in this case?

23 And if so, I would ask you to have that

'

.

24 individual contact me or to do something, because T'm

L 1ZA CIIA PEN , CCR , RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 3 2 3- 5 4 9 2




--. .w. 1:y

.

n..... --- ---<x .m-

1 not going to have secret meetings and continue the

f 2 case and do a1l this other stuff unless I have a

3 basis to do that .

4 lf 1 do , be happy to do it, but I don rt.

5 M R . PEEK : You r Honor, may 1 be heard on o2:2

6 this because --

7 T HE CO URT : Yeah , yeah .

8 MR . PFEK : -- I think what 's happening is

9 that you 're be inq given half of the sto ry.

10 The source code is a code that was being 02:

11 asked by the government under contrach of eTreppid to

12 develop that woulcl do certain thinqs, patte rn

( 13 recognitionz anomaày detection, those kinds of -- it

14 would perform those function s in an executable

15 format . 02:

16 The Department of Defense provided to

17 eTrepp id certain classified material -- and I

18 mentioned this to you the other day -- in the form of

19 video , and you might can imagine what that is -- to

20 try to see if the source -- if the code could :2:

21 actually operate and make pattern recognition and

22 anomaly detection and facial recognition and object

23 detection.

24 But the source code itself is not





) t

1 c lassified . It is not a classified piece of --

2 WelL, it's not classified tn any way.

3 It's just the knfarmation qjven to eTreppid that was

4 classified on wh ich the source code would ope rate .

5 Now, some of those videos, there 's a :2:2

6 concern about w here they a re . So the OSI, as part o f

7 the Department of Defenser has been investigating

8 eTrepp id to find out what has happ ened to them , but

9 you 're being sort of given this impression that there

10 is something out here that in the national security 02:2

11 interest tha t we shouldn 't be talking about : and

12 that 's not t he case .

13 If jt were the case, you would have heard

14 from the federal governmentr you would have heard

15 from the United States District Court, you would have n2

16 even seen a motion to stay this proceeding . We would

17 address that in an abstention issue as to whether

18 they were or were not.

19 So I only raised the point about Sloanïs

20 testimony, Mr . Venable's testimony, because the 1aw 02:

21 enforcement had asked not to disclose that there was

22 the subject of an onqoing criminal investigation.

23 That 's the only reason I brought it up .

24 THE COURT: A1l right

. We ll, th is record

LIZA CHAPENP CCR: RMR (775) 323-5492




)) ---- t-..----

1 is sealed.

l 2 Here is my position. I feel li ke I'm --

3 you know , 1 'm no t reatly out in the ligh t in terms of

4 what -- you know , what exactly it is you lre saying.

5 1 fee l like I 'm in the dark on that, and until 1 have 02:2

6 some solid statuto ry authorîty or som ething from the

7 government or contact from the federa l government,

8 then I'm just going to go ahead and proceed because I

9 don 't have a basis not to proceed .

10 MR . FLYNN : I understand you r Honory and 02:

11 with a11 due respect to Mr . Pee k, if 1 only qave you

12 half the story, wh sch adm ittedly I've even given you

f 13 less

,

because there isy as I said, a dichotomy

14 between the d ata com pression technology that these

15 folks made a dea l c)n and a11 this government stuff . 02:

16 That fs the bottom line to the proceeding

17 before yo u .

18 Now, in a11 this government materiak, the

19 way, as T understand it, on this level, the

20 government works, the individuals involved, who have 02:

21 been at eTreppid Technologies, would never contact

22 any U .S. Attorney and go into any cou rt to disclose

23 anything or seek any order .

( ,

'

24 THE COURT : Well, they re out of luck,

LIZA CHAPEN, CCR, RMR (7V5) 323-5492




$ I

1 hhen , 1 guess , if they -- 1 mean, if there 's som e

f 2 statutory authority that we're not supposed Lo

3 proceed with this thing, then f need to see it .

4 If they don't want m e to p roceed with

5 this, Lhen they need to telï me that . lf it 's so 02:

6 secreh that they can't tell me that, then wefre just

7 going to go ahead .

8 MR . PEKK : We want you to proceed , your

9 Honor. We 'll tell you what the source code is --

10 THE COURT : Well -- :2:

11 MR . PEEK : -- as we go through the

12 process.

/

î 13 We have just started our case, we are only

14 one witness into it, it is akmost noon --

15 THE CO UPT : Right . 02:

16 MR . PEEK : -- and I wou ld as k that we

17 proceed expeditiously becau se you told us w e only had

18 today. This is not a mini-trial or trial on the

19 merits .

20 THE COURT : T understand . 02:

21 I mean, here is my problem and I hope you

22 can understand and apprec iate that .

23 It 's like a lawyer stands up and says, ''I

( 24 object

.

''





)

. - . - -

.

1 An d s o , '' Wha t ' s yo u r 13 a s i. s ? '' '

' 2 ''We11, 1'm not going to tell you what the

3 basis is, but E oklject to thâs evidence.''

4 M R. FLYNN : That is the pa radox .

5 THE COURT : Can you -- 02:3

6 MR. FLYNN : That is the pa radox the Court

7 is confronted w ith , and 1 w jll say this is where we

8 end up -- here 's where we end up .

9 There is no source code except in

10 Mr . Montgomery 's head . It has always been that way 02:

11 by contract. You will hear his test imony . lt always

12 had to be that way.

13 THE COURT: I've read that. I've read

14 that .

15 MR . FLYNN : There is no source code that 02:

16 could be made to deliver to anyone, practically,

17 p ragm atica lly , legal ly o r otherw ise .

18 The bottom line for the Court is whether

19 the source cod e that 's in Mr . Montgomery ls head,

20 which is what we 're fighting about, because of the 02:

21 conversations that Mr. Montgomery and Mr. Trepp had

22 financially in the fall of 2005 , involving hundreds

23 of millions of dollars, is the reason for -- that 's

24 the reason we're i

n court today .





.. .. .>j' ) r '33

1 That code r if you want to call iL, that's

( 2 in Mr. Montqomery's head, has nothing to do with the

3 deal that: was m ade between these people for data

4 compre ssio n technoiogy, which is al1 over the

5 contracts . 02:

6 THF COURT : 1 read that, too .

7 MR . FLYNN : So where we 're go ing to end up

8 when M r. M ontqome ry teshifies, and 1911 giv e the

9 judge -- your Honor a heads up -- is there are

10 thousands of lines of code involving this classified 92:

11 technology, notw âthstanding what Mr. Peek says, that

12 extrem ely few individuals in the gov ernment even know

( 13 abou t.

h.

.

14 Mr . Montgomery and Mr. Trepp have signed

15 documents that they would never disclose it to 02:

16 anyone .

17 That 's whe re we 're qoing to end up , you r

18 Bono r.

19 The only way the Court can understand the

20 ramifications of this technology is for 02

21 Mr. Montgomery to tell your much of which Mr. Trepp

22 doesn't even know, how it was used, what the results

23 of that were over the last several years.

( 2 4 T H E' C O U R T : A n d y o u ' r e s a y i n g h e c a n n o t





M xp>

.

N' ) r 134.- - -<

1 tell me that?

2 MR FLYNN : Abso Lutely cannot tell you

3 that .

4 THE COUPT : Why -

5 MR . ànLYNN : And 1 believe the only thing 02:

6 that I can com e up with is tha t he and Mr . Trepp

7 could go into chambers , and Mr. Trepp could verify

8 what Mr . Montqom ery will tell you . I have no other

9 way of --

10 M R. Peek : Your Honor, we 're going to do 02:

11 this in open court .

12 THE COUHT : You have a --

' 1 3 M R

P E E H : W e ' r e g o i n g t o - -

14 T HE COUHT: Well, we 're going to do it

15 where 1 say -- :2:

16 MR. PEEK: 1 unde rstand that, your Honor:

17 b ut I would like to have it done in open court , as

18 opposed to just send two individuals into your

19 chambers to discuss --

20 THE COURT: Well, we 're not going to even o2:

21 do that if I don tt have some statutory basis for his

22 saying he can 't or won't disclose it

.

23 Give me that, and 1'11 say fine.

24 MR. PEEK: Andr your Honor, what I find





'

' *x- j 1 g $ ) -..-.-- .-

1 interesting to this filibuster is that we know that

( 2 there were 200 gigabytes deleted off of the

3 SRCSEPVER , o ff the IGASERVER , and out o f the RATD

4 box , and he's saying , #'Wel1, thaL doesn 't'' -- ''That 's

5 meaningless. Tlaat fs not a source code .'' :2:

6 But you never hear him say or explain what

7 it was thah he did delete . We have this sort of

8 inference, if you will, he 's trying to put ouL

9 there -- imp lication, if you will -- that there was

10 someth ing put on a program that automatically :2:

11 deleted , and we 'll hear from that later, but --

12 THE OOURT : I'm getting that part. 1'm

g' 13 just -- 1 just have a concern about this sçcurity

14 issue , that we dre going to get to a point where

15 there 's going to be evidence or information that 's o2:

16 critica l to either side , and one side or the other is

17 going to say, ''IIm so rry, I can ït te ll you ab out

18 that.''

19 MR . PEEK : Well --

20 THE COURT : Al1 I'm saying is when that -- 02:

21 MR . PEEK: -- then they fail on their

22 burden .

23 THE COURT : Al1 I'm saying --

('

k 24 Welly who has the burden?





( R 136

<

- -

V.

..

.

1 A 1l i'm saying is that if we get to th at

f 2 point, and I'm trying to give both sides a heads up,

3 what I 'm saying to you, Mr. Flynn, is if we get to

4 thah point and you or your client tell me that you

5 cannot disclose hhat, without some citation to some 02:3

6 authority fo r Lhat purpose, 1'm going to order it to

7 be disc losed .

8 If it 's not discïosed, I1m going to

9 order -- Iîm going to issue a show cause order with

10 regard to contempt . o2:

11 A nd 1 111 do the same on the other side .

12 I don 't want to do that. 1 want to do the

(' 3 i ht thing

.

But you need to tell me what the right r g

14 thing is and give me citation to some authority.

15 That 's a1l I 'm saying . 02:

16 MR . FLYNN : 1 understand, your Honor, and

17 T 'm con vin ced at this point tha t the Court wants to

18 do the right thing and --

19 THE COURT: That 's what I get paid for .

20 Huge sa lary that 1 -- 02:

21 MR . FLYNN: And I don 't know whether they

22 intend to call Mr. Montgomery.

23 I think a 1ot will become clear when we

( 24 call him

,

and you'll see when we reach a certain end





% -e. r jj g g -----. ---x

(

l point , it will become obvious.

( 2 THE COURT: A11 right. Well, let's go

3 forw ard with it and then we'll see where we go with

4 it .

5 I do have a Judges' meeting at noon so 1 n2:

6 need to recess just a couple minutes early and 1'11

7 be back at 1:30 so just for planning purposes.

8 Go ahead , Mr . Flynn .

9 BY MR. FLYNN :

10 Q. For two years, according to your 02:

11 testim ony, you worked on about one percent of

12 eTrepp id source code ?

13 A . Co r r e c t. .

14 Q. And then after that, you were basically

15 do in g adm inist rative, orqanizing dut ies ? o2:

16 A . Purchasing, preparing stu ff there, right .

17 Q. So in a11 the years --

18 Youdve been there six years, is it?

19 A. Correct .

20 Q. You worked on one percent of the source 02:

21 code?

22 A. I can 't tell you what percentage of a11

23 the stuff .

24 I just told you the two projects I've

= '





( ) (

1 wo rked on .

2 Q. And whatever the Denn ks Montgomery source

3 code is on these government con tracts , you don't know

4 anything about ât '?

5 MR . PE EK : Counse l, could you please. 02:3

6 Thank you .

7 THE W ITNPSS : 1 don 't know about the code ;

8 1 just know about the hardware that was used for the

9 projects.

10 M R. FLYNN : Thank you, sir . 02:

11 THE COURT : Are you finished?

12 MR. FLYNN : Yes, sir . Th an k you .

13 THE COUBT: Al1 right. Do you have any

14 redirect?

15 MR . JAKO PIN : Yes, a little b it , your 02:

16 Honor .

17

18 REDIRECT EXAMINATION


20 Q. We've heard a 1ot about the source code, 02:

21 and so that we can make -- get some clarity to that,

22 Windows is an application -- or Word is an

23 application , it's a typing application, correct?

24 A. correct.





x . 1 a r) )

>

. -

w.-

,

B*-

1 Q. How would you explain the source code that

2 relates to that ?

3 A . Microso ft hired probably severa l hundred

r

4 mayb e thousands to develop the ir Office applications,

5 and they write al1 the actual text files that are oz:a

6 eventually compiled to make this one executable

7 called Word .EXE, and that runs and it 's got who know s

8 how m any lines of code in it

.

9 I heard that it's seve ral hundred

10 thousand, maybe a million just for Word because itls 02:

11 a very, very -- what we call fat app lication

,

very

12 feature-rich.

13 Q. And are al1 those lines of code together

14 referred to as the source code

,

then, for this Word

15 application? :2:

16 A . Correct

.

17 Q. So you'll have source code that is for an

18 application that will have a whole 1ot of lines of

19 code that a11 together form the source code for that

20 application? oz:

21 A . Correct, that are compiled and that

22 creates the application.

23 Q. Okay. For each of the different

24 applications that exist at eTreppid

,

there 's then





.

j..,.,..; f ,...; 1 4 ()

1 sou rce code that corresponds to that, correc t?

( 2 A

.

That 's riqht .

3 Q. Now, are there different applicahions that

4 share source codes among them?

5 A. Severa L of those app lication s used video 02:

6 compression Codecs .

1 For exampley they hard-coded the video

8 comp ression Codec into the player so thah we cou ld

9 ship this player to some of our clients that would

10 just be a stand-atone and it only played our type of oz:

11 media file, our type of video .

12 So, in that case, that Codec, that video

f'

t 13 compressor and the player had the same code in each

14 of those two deals.

15 Q. So you can combine together different 02:

16 lines of source code, or the same lines of source

17 code for d ifferent applications?

18 A. Thatts right.

19 Q. Now , we 've also heard about classified

20 information. 02

21 Do you have an understanding of what 's

22 different between classified information an d source

23 code --

p''

k 2 4 A . Y e s .





) .- --:7

l Q. -- as Lt was used at eTreppid?

2 And what was that?

3 A . A s ER facility secur àty officer, 1 'm

4 required to take courses from the government that

5 trains me on what's classified , how the classified n2:3

6 materia l is handled , who can handle the classified

7 material, how ho destroy 5t, a11 the things that are

8 invo lved with classified material , how it 's defined,

9 everything, and I've taken these courses and gotten

10 cert ificates for th em . o2:a

11 Q. Are you aware of any of the eTreppid

12 source codes be ing classified?

13 A

. N o .

14 Q. Okay. Are you aware of the different

15 applications that are being worked on at eTreppid? 92:3

16 A. I know a lot of the different ones. I

17 pro bab ly do n 't know a1 l of th em .

18 Q. What are the ones that you 're aware of?

19 A. I mentioned the one beforey the Adaptive

20 Program which we lve had pretty much from the start . 02:4

21 The data compressory the video Codec

22 program s, the audio Codec programs.

23 Codec is a word for a comp ressor

,

( 24 decompressor

.

L''ZA CHAPEN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




( ....,.j ; 1 4 (2

.

- - . - - -

k 7-

1 O ur stream ing programs , ou r v oice-over IP

'

2 r o g r a m s . p

3 We ' ve go t h u n d r e d s o f d i f f e r e n t

4 app l i ca t i ()n s .

5 Q . A c e y o u a w a r e o f p a t t e r n r e c o g n i t i o n :2 :

6 p r o g r a m s ?

7 A . I do rl 1 t. kn o w w h i c h p r o g r a m s do t ha t .

8 Q . A l 1 r .i. g h t .

9 A . 1 c o u 1dn ' t g i v e y o u a n ame o f a p r o g r am

10 t ha t d i d 1) h a t . o2 :

11 Q . Are yo u - - do yoïl have an unde r s t a ndi ng o f

12 where the source code f or a l 1 of the di f f e rent source

13 code programs was stored?

14 MR. FLYNN: Strike -- objection, your

15 Honor, to the word ''all''; lacks foundation. 02:

16 THE COURT : Define them a little bit

17 more -- better than just ''all ''

18 BY MR . JAi(O P IN :

19 Q. Let me ask it a different way .

20 Do you have an understanding of where the 02:

21 source code that different programm ers wrote got

22 stored?

23 A . A11 -- they stored a11 of the ir stuff on

24 the SRCSERVER

. They had local copies on the ir work

LTZA CHAPEN: CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




- a. 14 (3

1 stat ions and they had -- when they had something that

2 was a worl:ing order on a version-by-version basis, it

3 m i g h t b e rï o t e v 6) r y d a y , b u t e v e r y c o u p 1 e o f d a y s o r

4 every weelo they would p ut that good build up on

5 SRC SE RVER. 92:4

6 Q. And so a11 of the source code that each of

7 the d ifferent programmers worked on ultimately got

8 sto red on the SRCSERVER?

9 A . Right .

10 A nd each one of the programmers could give 02:

11 better details of which programs they worked on and

12 which folders Lhey p ut them on SRCSERVER .

13 1 wasn't aware of what every particular

14 one p erson w as doing .

15 Q. Are you aware of eTreppid having backup 02:

16 C Ds of sou rce code?

17 A . I 've been to ld ov er the years that Dennis

18 had, on a regular basis, made DVDS and hard drives --

19 maybe there was CDs in the beginning -- but gave them

20 to Warren to put in a safe somewhere outside the 02:

21 building .

22 MR . FLYNN: Move to strike; lacks

23 foundation . ''I was aware.'' From what?

24 MR

. JAKOPIN : Your Honor --





rj :

1 THE COURT: Hold on just a minute.

2 1 'm not sure w hat the question was . I

3 thin k you asked him did he know, and his answ er w as

4 that he was awa re .

5 I think you need to determ ine exactly how 02:4

6 he was aware ancl then i '11 decide whether to strike

7 it or not.

8 BY MR . JAIIOPIN :

9 Q. How were you aware that there were those

10 CDs? 02:

11 A. Dennùs told me that he was making them .

12 THE COURT: Motion is denied .

13 MR . JA KO PIN : Th ank you .

14 BY MR . JA XO PIN :

15 Q. Did you ever have an opportunity to look 02:

16 at those CDs?

17 A . Up unt il recentlys no, and then --

18 Do you want me to continue?

19 Q. Yes.

20 A. I forget what -- T believe Lhe 10th or the 02

21 11th of January, Warren brought me everything he said

22 he had in the safe and had me look at it to see what

23 it contained, and it was four hard drives and a stack

24 of Dvos and cos m fxed .





,

'-

(z.'v j 14 5

.

.

) .- --.

l Q. Did you check those?

t 2 A. I went over them .

3 Three o f the hard drives were supposed to

4 be a RAID group , created with a Windows Dynamic

5 Driver RA rD ; one of the drives was blan k ; and the :2:

6 other two were part of a Dynamic RAIB group but it

7 was missing the third drive .

8 The -- one of the DVDS had code fo r the

9 A dapt ive Prog ram from 2001.

10 Another CD had files on it that were n2:

11 password protectecl and the password wasn 't what

12 Dennis had given Warren .

(' 13 None of it had currenh stuff

. The most

14 recent fi Les on the -- all of the collective CDs and

15 the hard drives, 1 couldn't even read, but the CDs 02:

16 was 2001, 1 believe; maybe January 2002.

17 Q. Yo u had mentioned an Adaptkve Program?

18 A . ET Adaptiver the data com pressor program.

19 Q. Uh-huh . Was there --

20 A . It had -- 02:

21 Wh at 's tha t?

22 Q. Go ahead.

23 A . lt had the code for that but not the

24 compzete code

.





...e ( w ) 14 6

1 It had imbedded anobher program inside

f 2 that was compiked within tt so it didn't have the

3 complete code

.

We don ît know what the code was for

4 thks litt.'e embedded program instde of it was

.

5 Q. Was there any source code on the CDs and 02

:4

6 othe r med ia that you were given

, other than this

7 Adaptive Program?

8 A

.

There were only the binarkes

,

these

9 executable's for v kdeo compression and a media play

e r .

10 But other than that

,

that wa s the onky c2:4

11 code on any of those drives was for the Ada

ptives .

12 Q. You mentioned binaries

.

Could you explain

' 13 ho the Court what a binary is?

14 A. Binary is what source code

-- we generally

15 just call a11 executables binaries

.

02:4

16 They can be an executable or a DLL fil

e .

17 They lre the final product after compilinq

.

You

18 create your binary file

.

19 Q. Ts the binary fjle created from the source

20 code?

02:4

21 A

.

Correct .

22 Q. How is that done?

23 A

. Through a compiler such as -- there 's

24 command line one s

. The one we use in the building is





- j-e 147

l the Visua q Studâo Product that M àcrosoft ma kes

.

2 Q. And how does it operate?

3 A . lt goes and runs through and compiles each

4 C++ file , creates intermed iate libraries

.

5 From those

,

it comptles them toqether and oz:l

6 creates the final executable or DLL and converts it

7 a11 to what we ca Ll the binary

.

8 Itps basically just ones and zeroes

.

9 Q . Okay. So within a source code file

,

there

10 will be many lines of code

,

correct? o2:4

l 1 A . C o r r e c 1)

12 Q . And t h e r e w i l l b e p () t e n t i a l 1 y ma n y

l 3 d i f f e re n t s o u r c e c o d e f i le s t h a t

a r e d i r e c t e d t o a

14 single appzication?

15 A

.

Co rzect . 02

:4

16 Q. Does the compiler act upon a11 of those

17 source code fizes

, each o f w hich have line s in it, in

18 a sequence to then create a single executable file?

19 A

.

Exactly . It goes through each of the

20 files in the project. 02

:4

21 You create a project in our developer

22 environm enL. It goes through each of those

y creates

23 an intermediate 1ib file

,

library file , and then

24 combines al1 those together into your final





.a,... ( 14 8

1 executable, and it does it in a sequenttal fash ion

.

' 2 Q. So that you end up with a single program

3 thah can be executed by the com puter ?

4 A . Correct

.

5 N ow , you might need intermediate steps

.

02:

6 L ike, for example

,

our video compressor , it can 't do

7 anything by it sell

. It's a DLL library

.

Tha t 's --

8 something else wo uld need to

,

like a media player

9 would need thak file to be able to play back our

10 video . 0

2:4

11 Q. You referred to a DLL library

.

What 's

12 that?

'

13 A Dynam ic Link Library

.

-

14 That 's what Windows use s to modulize

15 different parts of the operating system and software :2

:4

16 that 's run on the operaking system

,

so that to play

17 back, for example

r

MP3 audio, you wou ld have a DLL

18 that handles MP3 audio files

, and we created DLL

19 files for video and for audio

.

20 Q. You 'll have a DLL that will lknk to get

:2:4

21 different kinds of files to the program?

22 A. For example

,

you try to play back eTreppid

23 Audio, there would be a -- that

,

for example, isn 't

I4 exactly the DLL

,

but it s similar and it would allow

=

LIZA CHAPEN: CCR: RMR (775) 323-5492




.

x*-zmj 'N 14 j)

. - - -- -

(t.

1 y o u t o p 1 (, y b a (7 k t. h e a u d i o .

2 Q - O ka y .

3 A. We wouldn 'h create an executable for ET

4 Audio; we did hav e our own players .

5 Q. Getting back to source code could you 02:

6 describ e #lhe mannec ân which various programmers

7 would storce source code onto the SRCSERV ER?

8 A. ET Latest is where they were supp osed to

9 put their latest b uilds .

10 We also had a folder in there called ET 02:

11 Programmers , underneath which had a subfolder for

12 each prog.rammer that we assigned .

13 Denn is and I assigned permissions that

14 they each -- that folder, for example, for Venkata ,

15 only Venkata can get into that folder. None of the 02:

16 other users on the network could .

17 Ve n kata ha d wh at we ca ll m od ified

18 permissions. He could add files, change files, but

19 he can never delete. Only the adm inistrator could

20 delete . 02:

21 And there was a subfolder for each of the

22 programmers with those permissions assigned, and they

23 would put their work in progress under those and do

'

. 24 their own daily or weekly backups under there.





-....; ; r 1 qj ()

- -

.

.

7

1 Q. Okay. And were a11 of those files deleted

( 2 from the SRCSERVER?

3 A . A1l of the proqrammers excep t for Michael,

4 Jessie and Jim , whâch is not a programme r; al1 the

5 rest were deleted . 02:

6 Jessie, Michael and Jim 's folders were

7 still the re.

8 Q. What was in Michael 's folder?

9 A . The game eng ine code .

10 Q. What was; in Jim 's folder? :2:

11 A. A11 the 3-D models he made for the game

12 engine.

t 13 And Jessie 's had all the web site stuff he

14 developed; no C+4 code, just Java and HTML stuff.

15 Q. Java and HTML are different programming 02:

16 languagesr corre ct?

17 A . Th ey dre web site p rogramm in g lang ua ges .

18 Q. And that 's different from the C++

19 programming language?

20 A . They don 't make executables or programs 02

21 that are run; they just generate code to display web

22 pages.

23 MR . JAKOPIN : I don 't have anything else .

$ 24 Did your Honor have any questions of the





...

x

) ( '-j 15 1

. ,

1 witness as it relates to just having your

( 2 understanding be clear as it relates to sou rce code

3 or files?

4 THE COtJRT : Yeah

,

1 do have a pretty

5 basic -- pretty basic que stîon that really hasn 't

:2:4

6 been, at lea st, laid out well enough for me to realky

7 understand it

.

8 I 'm not exactly sure -- when you sa

y a

9 source code, I 'm not sure what you mean by that

: so

10 if you could explain it to me in laym an 's terms so

oz:s

11 that --

12 THE WITNESS: Okay

.

13 THE COURT : Is it li ke a key th

a t a llows

14 you access to ânformation --

15 THE WITNESS : No

. 02:s

16 THE COURT : -- or is it the informati

o n

17 itself?

18 THE WITNESS : It 's something you co

uld

19 readl You could open one -- say

,

for examp le, for

20 the video Codec

,

it would be arranged -- the project 02:5

21 would be a rranged

,

so this would make a DLL file to

22 1et you play this video

.

There would be a bunch of

23 header files and then there would be a bun

ch of ''C''

24 files.

LIöA CHAPEN, CCRZ RMR (775) 323-5492




... ..c 'amm.pfj gk (j ;4

1 The header files just have definitions and

f 2 text that you coulcl read . There would be like

3 function -- p lay function , for examp le

,

and it would

4 say wha t the variab les for that function is

.

5 Then, there would be a corresponding C++ nz:

6 file that would actua lly have the bu1 k of that

7 function. Tt woulcl say ''play function

y

'' and then it

8 wou ld have some stuff ins ide , fo r example

,

a ''for''

9 loop, it would be -- say, ''For this number of things

,

10 this number of iterations, do this calculation and go o2;

11 around .''

12 And you can actually -- an ybody could read

' 13 this stuff

. They might not know wh at it's doing, but

14 it ls in plain Engzish language

.

15 THE COURT : Buh what I1m a sking

,

Vs the c2c

16 source code the device that you use to get access to

17 what you just described?

18 THE WITNESS: Uh-huh

.

19 THE COURT: It is?

20 THE WITNESS: You could -- no

. The sou rce 02:

21 code -- we co llectively call a11 of this language

22 that 1'm describing the source code

.

23 THE COURT : It 's the content ?

24 THE WITNESS: You can look at it with a

LIEZA CHAPEN , CCR, RMR ( 7 7 5) 32 3- 54 92




( ..,; ( '.- 15 3

1 Word docurAent or Notepad.

( 2 T H E (> () tl R T : A 1 1 r i.g h t .

3 THE WITNESS: We use a special editor to

4 look at them --

5 THE COUFT : Al1 riqht . 02:

6 THE WITNESS : -- and compile them

.

7 THE COUFT : A11 riqh t

.

Now, out o f

8 cu riosity, do you bave a security ctearance?

9 THE WITNESS : Yes, 1 have top secret

.

10 THE COUPT : Top secret

.

02:

11 Do you know what clearance Mr

. Montqomery

12 has?

13 THE WI1'HESG: He has top secret with a

14 special compartmentr SCI special compartment

.

I

15 forget what it stands for

. That rs the highest level. 02:

16 THE COUHT : With regard to the

17 conversation that you indicated that you had on

18 January loth -- actually, 1 first thought it Was on

19 January 11th, but it appears that it was clarified to

20 have been on January 10th -- with Mr. Montgomery n2:

21 where he said to you that Mr . Trepp was going to have

22 to pay big money or big bucks for ''it .''

23 What was the ''it'e? Dkd Mr

.

- -

ket me ask

24 it this waky: Dâd Mr

.

Montgome ry in that conve rsation

L'.E ZA CHAPEN , CCR, RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3- 54 92




..v x

) .. 1 5 4

.

-

.

- - -

(

1 describ e 'lhe ''it'' or was his statement simp ly he has

i

2 t o p a y b i. fJ b u c k s f o r - -

3 T H E W IT N E S S : N o , h e de s c r i be d wh a t '' i t ''

4 w a s .

5 T H E C O (J R T : W h a t w a s b ' i t '' ? 0 2 :

6 THE WITNESS : This w as th e top -- our mo st

7 recent contrac t, potential contract . It 's anomaly

8 detect ion and sate zlite images, other imaqes for the

9 governmen t.

10 THE CO URT : A 11 right. W ell , what I 'm 02:

11 talking about -- w e're talking about source code for

12 tha t ?

l 13 THE WITNRSS: lt 's for the methods they

14 use to d etect it.

15 THE COIJRT : A1l right. And are those -- :2

16 is that a tangible thing or is that information

17 that 's co nta ined in hi s head?

18 Or do you know .

19 THE WITNESS : Well, 1 don dt know exactly

20 how he did it . 1 know various people that wo rked on o2

21 it w ith him .

22 THE' COURT : A11 right. Welly I may have

23 some further questions, but I don 't --

24 Just give me a second; T thought I had one





w. w' 1 yj 5 ) 1 b

..- - --- z-

1 more .

t 2 N o

,

l cl ta n ' t h a v e a n y t h i n g f u r t h e r r i g h t

3 n o w .

4 M r . F 1 ; n IA ?

5 MR . FLYN N : I-lope f u l ly i t w i 1 1 be 02 :

6 r e 1 a t i v e 1 5( s h o r 1: , k' o u r H o n o r .

'

.7

8 R E: C R O S S E X AM I N AT 1 O N

9 BY MR . FL'f NN :

10 Q . Mr . Ve na b le s , t he s t a c k o f C Ds wh i ch you :2 :

11 s a i d w a s w i t h f ou )7 h a rd d r i ve s : a n d t h a t w a s , qu o t e ,

12 '' Eve r yth i lRg i n t he s a f e '' ?

è 13 A . Correct .

14 Q. ls thatr in fact, accurate, that the four

15 hard drive s in the stack o f C Ds w as everything in the 02:

16 safe?

17 A . I don 't know . l didn 't take them from --

18 they weren't in a safe on your premises; they were

19 brought from a post office box or a bank vault

20 somewhere . 1 have no idea. 02

21 Q. Where did you get the terminology,

22 ''Everythiqg in the safe''?

23 A. From Warren. From Mr. Trepp .

'

24 Q

. Was it the downstairs safe or the upstairs





-..

( v) 1 5 6 - .

m

1 safe?

( 2 A. No safe in our building; it was at the

3 bank vau kt or somepkace outskde the bu kkdin

g .

4 Q. How many safes

,

to your knowledge , did

5 M r. T repp have?

n2:s

6 A. I have no idea what he has outside th

e

7 building. I know what we have in our building

.

8 Q. Have you ever seen the contents of any

9 safe be longing to Mr

.

Trepp?

10 A

.

The one that we have in our secret room

: n2:s

11 he opened for me and Jay Dixon

.

12 Q. The secret room being what we de

scribed on

13 Exhibit 1 as the privacy room that's

- -

14 A

.

Right.

15 Q. -- right there

, right? 02;s

16 And what did you see?

17 A

. Spare cop ies o f keys and va rious m ini DV

18 tapes that we 'd received from the milita

ry.

19 That was it

.

20 Q. How many drawers did you look in?

oz:s

21 A. The two -- there 's two saf

e containers in

22 that room. Each has two drawers

.

Warren had the

23 only -- as far as I know

:

the only combination to

24 one. Re opened it

, showed b0th myself and Jay Dixon

.

LIZA CHAPEN, CCR

,

RMR (775) 323-5492




.-... '

1 s y

- - .-

y

1 A nd the o ther sa fe, Patty opened for us

.

( 2 Q. So have you described, in total, what was

3 in b0th safe s?

4 A. No. 1 just described the one he opened .

5 Q. ''He'' being? o2:s

6 A . Wa rren .

7 Q. And what was in that safe again, just

8 so --

9 A. That was just mini DV tapes, no hard

10 drives, and the spare keys to the bu ilding

.

o2:

11 Q. And what was in the other safe?

12 A. The other safe had -- 1 forget the number;

13 we have a 1og fkle of it -- of hard drives that Patty

14 had placecl in there that some of were classified

,

15 some are not, and also a bunch of mkni DV tapes; cz

ts

16 probably 20 .

17 Q. Had you ever seen the contents of either

18 of these safes prtor to this time whe re you saw them

19 in --

20 A. No . oa

:s

21 Q. And, again, it was in January of 2006 that

22 you saw these?

23 A. In the last two weeks when Jay Dixon from

24 DSS had me check L)0th of them.

.. -.- ..-. -.....

- .- -

.- - - -- -- -- .-- - .- - -

'

. .

.

.-

- - - . . . ..- - - - - - - ...- - - -- - - . - - . - - . -..- - - -

-- . - - -. - . .- - -.-. - .-





1 - ( vj' 1 g g -)

1 Q . Did you see an inventory?

( 2 A . Yes . Patty had made an inventory.

3 Q . ln which safe did you see the inventory?

4 A . In the sa fe th at Patty op ened

.

5 Q. Where is the inventory now? 92:

6 A . There 's a copy in th e safe and 1 have a

7 copy in mv of fice .

8 Q. Do you have it with you?

9 A . No .

10 Q . What was on the inventory? 02:

11 A . A l1 the m ini DV tapes and hard d rive s that

12 Patty saicl were in the hard drive at one time or

13 another.

14 The re 's some of them listed as missing

15 right now. czt

16 Q . Was there an inventory of the other safe?

17 A . No .

18 Q. Who created the inventory, if you know?

19 A . Patty told me she did

.

20 Q. When did she create the inventory? 02:

21 A. I have no idea

.

22 Q . A11 right.

23 A . If -- she had updated it recently; thatfs

24 a1l I know.





: .,..j ( 1 ; 9

1 Q. That was going to be my next --

/ --

f 2 How many different editions of an

3 inventory in the - call it the Patty Gray safe are

4 you aware of a s you test ify today ?

5 A. There's just one copy in there. 02:

6 1 h ad to provide that to DSS.

7 Q. And how many editions had it gone through

8 you have ao knowleclge of; is thah correct?

9 A. What's that again?

10 Q. How many editions of -- how many times o2:

11 that inventory that you saw had been changed in the

12 past --

13 A I don't know

.

14 Q. -- you have no knowledge of?

15 A. No . o2:

16 Q. Patty Gray may have some knowledge; is

17 that correct?

18 A . I saW the current one and I added stuff

19 that was in Warren 's safe to it, so I 'm -- the copy

20 that 's in there has only been edited by me since I o2:

21 first opened it .

22 Q . And you could have your office, over the

23 break, fax that inventory to you?

.

24 MR. JAKCIPIN: Objection, your Honor.





v'j w)' 160

1 T HE W ITNKSS : They don 't have access .

( 2 MR. JAKOPIN: The inventory is beyond the

3 scope of redirect . l've given some lat itude, but --

4 MR . FLYNH : It 's go t to do w ith the sa fe .

5 THE COUHT : 1 'm interested in the truth , o2;

6 not necessarily the scope of redire ct .

7 Go ahe ad .

8 BY M R. FLYNN :

9 Q. You 're the only one that has got the

10 combination? o2t

11 A. DSS has instructed me to change the

12 combination and not to give it to anybody.

t 13 Q

. zncluding Mr . Trepp ?

14 A . Includ ing M r. Trepp .

15 Q. Tncluding Mr. Gray? 02

16 A . Patty.

17 Q. I mean Miss Gray?

18 A . Correct.

19 Q. Correct?

20 A . That 's right. 02

21 Q. Was the inventory created on her computer?

22 A. I have no idea .

23 Probab ly .

'

24 Q. So the various editions of the inventory





...'j ( v' 1 6 1 - )

1 may still be present on her hard drive?

f 2 A . Co r r C? c t .

3 Q. Now, wâtln regard to the CDs, the stack,

4 what 's your best: estimate of how many we re in the

5 stac k? o2:

6 A . Less than ten

.

7 Q. And do you know what safe they came from,

8 personally?

9 A. No. T don't know where they came from

.

10 Q. Mr. Trepp handed them to you and said

y 02:

11 ''This is everything in the safe

.

''

12 Is tha t your testimong?

( 13 A. That's rkght.

14 Q. But you don't know what safe?

15 A. He said that they w ere in a bank vault or 02:

16 a P.O . Box somewhere ; I forget wh ich

.

17 Q. And where are those CDs today?

18 A. In my office

.

19 Q. So you could bring those to court also?

20 A. Correct . o2:

21 MR . PEEK ; Your Honor

,

11m going to

22 object.

23 We 're not going to engage in discovery

t 24 right now

. we made this request a long time ago of





? (r-7 1 6 2

1 counsel and they didn lt want -- they didn't w ant to

( 2 engage in any exchange of discovery last week when we

3 talked abouh it, and we're here now in a Preliminary

4 Injunction and 1 think to be asking to produce

5 documents over the lunch hou r is unreasonable at this o2:s

6 time .

7 I understand this is a search for the

8 truth, and I understand the search, but, you know,

9 I'm not inclined to turn over anything to

10 Mr. Montgomery right now without having the oalo

11 opportun ity to certainly copy it before we do thatr

12 make an inventory of it, and 1 think to ask to do

( 13 that in the noon hour and try to do that and have

14 some idea of what's on it between now and the close

15 of business today when we close this testimony is o3:n

16 unreasonable Lo ask.

17 M R . FLY NN : Tb e quest Lon was only whet her

18 he could do it, your Honor. That's where we are

19 right now .

20 MR . PEEK : Well, I know where hels going

.

03:0

21 THE COURT : That 's what I --

22 MR. FLYNN : I haven 't asked --

23 THE COURT: That's what I thought the

24 question was and --

L.EZA CHAPFN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




.-

r,.'v y 6 a

.- - -

- -

% .-

1 M R . PERK : Then , I don 't know what the

2 relevance of that is.

3 THF COURT : We llr 1 do

.

4 Go aheud and ask the question and we 'll

5 see where we go w ith it . o3:0

6 BY MR . FLXNN :

7 Q. Mr . Venables, one of the CDs --

8 1 want to remind you we just have a few

9 m inutes .

10 One o f the ODs you sa id had data oa:o

11 comp ressic n technology on it?

12 A . Correct

.

' 13 Q When you spoke to Mr

.

- -

.

14 Strike that

.

15 Did you see any of them -- 03:0

16 Str i

ke that .

17 Was the CD itself, the actual d isk

,

in side

18 a little container?

19 A . Plastic sleevey yeah

.

20 Q. Did it have any markings on tt? :3::

21 A . I believe it had the date

, whichever that

22 was; I can 't remember

.

23 Q. What was the date?

24 A. I canït remember what it was

.





(*'*') 1%Y 1 64

1 Q. Did you see any marking on the data

i' ''cD No 1''? compression CD of the type

, .

3 A . 1 can lt recall .

4 Q. As you sit here today, have you ever seen

5 the Contr tbut ion A greement between Mr . T repp and 03:

6 Mr . Montgomery?

7 A . No .

8 Q. As you sit here today, are you aware if

9 that Cont ribution Agreement excluded -- only gives

10 data comp ression technology on CD No . 1? 03:

11 A. 1 don't know what their agreement is.

12 Q. Do you have any knowledge, having looked

13 at whatever this CD is that you looked at that had

14 data c omp ression technology, whether that corre lates

15 in any wa g to the CD that's described in the 03:

16 Contribut ion Agreement?

17 A . The on ly thing I know is what I found on

18 the CD.

19 Q. Did Mr . Trepp ever tell you that, ''OhT

20 yeah, tha t's the data compression technology CD that 03

21 is the basis for forming the company''?

22 A . No . He didn't say that .

23 Q. You, yourself, never worked on data

24 comp ressian technology at eTreppid, did you?





v. .. (.'y.. 16 ï.s

.

7

1 A. No .

2 Q . S o b'l h e rk yo u 1. o o k e d a t t h a t C i3 - -

3 S t r .i.k e t h a t .

4 H ow ma là y f i. le s we r e o n t h a t C D ?

5 A . A c o u p 1. e o f h u n d r e d . 03 : 0

6 Q . An d yo tz don ' t r e c a l 1 t h e d a t e ?

'

-/ A . N o . I 12 w a s e i t h e r 1 a t e 2 0 0 1 o r e a r l y

8 2 0 0 2 ; I c a n ' t r emembe r .

9 Q . And a s 1 unde r s t a nd you r t e s t imon y r s ome

10 o f t he con t e n t. s o f t he C D , i n pa rt , we r e pa s s wtnrd 03 ::

11 prot ec t. ed s o you co u 1dn ' t acce s s t hem ?

12 A . Thal: ' s r i gh t .

( 13 Q . B u t o t 14 e r compo n e n t s o f t h a t C D , t hfa C D o n

14 data compression , were not passwo rd protected?

15 A. The re were separate CDs . oa:n

16 One CD only had password protected biles

17 with a text file that said , ''Warren know s the

18 password .''

19 The other CD had th is A daptive Program --

20 source code for the Adaptive Program which wasn 't 03:

21 complete; it wa s missing stuff .

22 Q. A11 right . The one where Warren knows the

23 password, did you ask him if he knew the pa ssword?

( 24 A

. He said he did, and we tried it and it

LEZA CHAPEN, CCR: RMR (775) 323-5492




. y r-.g y (; (; = >

1 d idn 't work .

( 2 Q. What was the password that he gave you?

3 A . I don 't remember

.

4 Q. Was there anything in hhe safe that would

5 indicate what the password was? Any document? 03::

6 A . Wa rren 's safes didn 't have any pap er

7 documents in it, only mini DV tape s

.

8 Pattly es safe had copies of our contract

9 from the rilitary and the material log

.

10 Q. Now , over the -- a1l the years tha t 03:0

11 eTreppid had been in business since 1998

,

do you know

12 how many Mr. -- how many passwords for files

( 13 Mr . T r e pp h a (:i â. n h i. s h e a d?

14 A. I have no idea what passwords he had

.

15 Q. Do you know whether he makntained a 03:0

16 separate inventory of passwords for the million s of

17 files that we re in eTrep pid computers?

18 A . I 've seen him access his locked drawer in

19 his office that had a paper with the passwords on it

.

20 Q. Thank you . 03:0

21 A . I've never seen it

.

22 Q. Did you ever look at Mr

.

Trepp 's computer

23 to see whether he maintained passwords on his

24 computer?





j w-.x) (.'.n y (;.-/

1 A . No .

( 2 Q. So how -- tn the docum ent that you saw

,

3 how many cliffe Eetnt p asswords we re on it?

4 A. I dtcln't see the document .

5 Q. What did you -- 03:0

6 A. I just saw him checking for passwords or

7 something one time.

8 Q. So as you sit here Lodayy you have no

9 knowledge whetlner he, giving him the benefit of the

10 doubt, made a mistake in giving you the password for 03:0

11 this data comp ression technology CD?

12 A. I belbave that password for that one was

13 the name of his mother. 1 think that's what he told

14 me. Som ething like that . Something he would know

.

15 Q. How about the name of his wkfe

,

Jale ? 03:0


17 He had ple nty, 1 'm su re

.

18 THE COURT : It 's time

.

19 MR . FLYNN ; Thank you, your Honor

.

20 THE COURT : Werll -- oa:o

21 MR . PEEK : Your Honor

, may this witness be

22 excused?

23 THE COURT : I don 't know

.

24 Are you ïinkshed with this witness?

LZZA CHAPEN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




y ..q: (.-s.r 1 6 a

I

%

) JI

1 M R . F Iu Y N N : N o r 1 ' m n o t , Y o u r H o n c) r .

2 THE COURT : A 1l riqht . Then , not .

3 MR . PRRK : Your llonor, are we go ing to

4 have more t ime than today ?

5 THE COURT : No, 1 don 't have planned -- 1 03:0

6 hadn 't planned any more time than tod ay .

7 1'm interested in a coup le of important

8 pieces of information to me .

9 I'm interested in what ''it'' is, whether

10 ''it'' is a tangible thing. o3:o

11 I'm intecested in know ing whether or not

12 ''it'' was developecl while he was working for eTreppid.

13 And I'm knterested j.n knowing whether or

14 not the aqreement that was entered would have

15 excluded that technology o r the b asis for that 03:0

16 technology .

17 I 've see n the argum ent s in the b rief s, bu t

18 I haven ît heard mu ch elaboration on that and, to me ,

19 those are the kinds of simp le thin gs that I may need

20 to decide in making a decision about whether or not 03:0

21 you get yeur injunction or you don't get your

22 injunction.

23 MR . PEEK: And we lre trying to do that,

24 your Honoz.





.

- r.s y(;,

..

7 . - ,

1 What Mr. Venables was just talking about

f 2 here today primariiy was -- it was on a SRCSKRVER, it

3 w a s d e l e t e d o f (' o f t h e S RC S F, RV E R t h e r e a r e o t h e r s

4 who will connect up what went on to that SRCSERVER,

5 but we spent just three hours with Mr. Venables on 93:0

6 what was zea lly a very discrete a rea o f inqu iry abou t

7 the fact that it was there and it was deleted

.

8 THE COURT : A11 right. But --

9 MR. PEEK: Mr. Trepp will be testifying .

10 THE COIJRT : Here ls whah f -- 03:0

11 MR. PEKK: Mr . Frye will be testifyinq .

12 THE COURT: -- need to understandz and it

i 13 probably w'ill refLect my ignorance with regard to

14 this subject, but what is the ''it'' that you want

15 back? o3:o

16 In other words, if I were to write an

17 order tod ay and said ''o kay M r . M on tgom ery has to

18 give 'it ' back '' what is ''it'' and what would ''it''

19 look like if ''it'' was sitting in front of me?

20 MR. PEEK: It would look just exactly the 03:0

21 way Sloan testified it was, your Honor

,

which is

22 lines of code .

23 THE COURT: On a piece of paper?

( 24 MR. PEEK: No, no.





I -'-) (*-) 17 0

1 THE COURT : On a disk?

( 2 MR. PEEK: On disk.

3 Actually, it's an electronic file, so it

4 would be e ithec on a d isk --

5 THE COURT : O kay . 03:0

6 MR . PEKK: lt could be on a hard drive, it

7 èould be on a CD RAM, could be on a number of ways to

8 store the info rmation.

9 THE COURT: Al1 right.

10 M R. PERK: But it would be -- as he sa id , 03:

11 it 's sou rce code w ith in which are wr itten many

, many

12 lines of code which hell that code how to operate ,

( 13 how to perform its functionality

.

14 Now , we 'll get into a little bit --

15 THE COURT : Wou ld that inc lude all the 03:0

16 cod es?

17 MR . PEEK : Yes r it 's a Ll the codes

.

18 THE COURT: For the video, the audio

,

19 the --

20 MR. PEEK: Yesy because a11 of those Were 03:

21 the propezty of e'Preppid, and a11 of that was

,

as he

22 said, deleted off the files.

23 THE COURT: Well, we 'll --

21 MR

.

PEEK : And 1 know that he 's talked





-. tz% 1 y 1

1 about --

( 2 THE COURT: 1'm sorry for interrupting

3 you .

4 MR . PEE.K : It was deleted off of the

5 servers . oxt

6 THE COURT : A11 rtght

. Well, we lll see

7 Where we go with this .

8 I just have got that meeting. if wefve

9 got to run a little lahe tonight

,

i '11 talk to my

10 staff about what their schedule is

,

if we can nato

11 accommodate --

12 MR. PEEK : I want to get to the merits

,

( 13 you r Hono r .

14 THE COURT : We ll

,

that 's --

15 MR . PEEK : Just exac tLy what you rre G3

:G

16 talking about .

17 THE COURT : -- kind o f w hat m y co ncern

18 Was.

19 We '11 be in recess until about 1:30

.

20 (Noon recess.)

21 --00 0--

22

23

'

24 .





( .... (.- -..r y -j z .

1 RENO, NEVADA ; Tuesday, February 7, 2006; 1:30 P.M .

2 --000--

3

4 T H E C O U R' : A 1 l r .i. g 11 t . M r . F 1 y n n , y o u

5 said you had some more quest ions? 04:3

6 MR . FLYNN: Your Honor, in the interest of

7 time, we'd like to reserve on Mr. Venables subject to

8 recall.

9 THE COURT: A11 right. Call your next

10 witness. 04:a

11 You can step down, sir.

12 MR . PEEK: Your Honor, may he be excused,

/ 13 subject to recall? May he be allowed to leave?

14 THE COURT: Yes.

15 MR . PEEK: Because ; know that he 04:3

16 doesn 't -- obvious ly because he wants to recall him,

17 he wants him out (af the courtroom .

18 So may he be allowed to leave?

19 THE COURT : Yes .

20 MR . PEEK: Thank yo u . 04:3

21 (Witness excused.)

22 (Discussion off the recorda

23 MR . PEEK: Actually, Mr. Steiner went to

( 'l1 walk in with Mr. Steiner, so -- I4 get him so he





)

-- ) ('''n 17 3

l hope .

( 2 THE BACLIFF: There's nobody out there

3 now .

4 MR . PEEK : He was right there

.

5 Sorry, your Honor

.

04:3

6 THE COURT : That's a11 right

.

7 MR . PRKK : I thought he was righ t there

.

8 THE COURT : lt rs okay

.

9 MR . FLYNN : Your Honor

r while theyïre

10 looking, we tried to get you some cases on the 04:3

11 gove rnm ental p riv Llege secrecy

, m ilitary secrecy

12 privizege, and 1 think they were given to your

13 secretary as you were walking outo so Mr

.

Pulver is

11 going to grab then and get them up to you

.

15 THE COURT: A11 right

.

04:3

16 (The witness was sworn

.

)

17 THE COURT : A 11 righ t

.

Pleas e ta ke the

18 witness stand over there

.

19 The re 's some wate r the re --

20 THE WITNESS: Thank you

.

04:a

21 THE COURT : -- if you want to have a

22 little bit.

23 Make sure wh en youlre testifying that you

24 speak up so that everybody can hear you

.





.

.

--.w

,,-

' ) ' ) 17 4

1 T H E W 1 'J N E, S E; : O k a y

t 2 THE COURT : And try not to speak at the

3 same time as the taw yer .

4 T HR WITNESS : Okay

.

5 MR . PEEK: Your Honor , may I move this ? 04:a

6 THE COURT : Oh , certainly

.

7 MR PEEK : Thank you

.

8 MR. FLYNN : May 1 approach the bench?

9 THE COURT : Yes

.

10 Thank you

.

n4:3

11 MR . FLYNN : You 're we lcom e

.

12

13 Z EHAN G S UN

,

11 called as a w itness

,

having been first duly sworn,

15 testified as follows:

16

17 DIRECT EXA MINATION

18 BY MR. JAKOPIN :

19 Q. Would you tell the Court your name?

20 A . Oh, my name is Zehang Sun

.

04:a

21 Q. And where do you currently work?

22 A. eTreppid Technology

.

23 Q. And what's your position?

24 A

. 1'm the vkce president of engineering

.





1

.

.

-)

- -

.

..

? l7b

1 Q. Once you graduated lrom high school, what

( 2 was the first school that you went to?

3 A . Actually, before the year 2004 , most of

4 the tim e 2 was in schoo t.

5 From yea r 1990 to 1994, I was 04:3

6 undergraduate in un iversity in China called --


8 THE COURT : Can you spe ll hhat ?

9 THE W ITNESS: Northern , N-o-r-t-h-e-r-n .

10 THE REPORTER : Ho rthern . :4:3

11 THE W ITNESS : Northern Giaogong,

12 G-l-a-o-g-o-n-g, Un sversity.

l 13 And then my major was telecommunications

14 and information theory.

15 Afte r that , 1 went to hhe graduate school 04:3

16 of the same university and my ma jor was digital

17 signal p rocessing , and that was -- 1 graduate -- got

18 my first Master of Engineering from that university

19 in year 1997 .

20 After that, I received a fellowship from o4:a

21 University' in Singapore . The name of university is,

22 sorry, Naryang Technology Core University .

23 Nanyang, N-a-n-y-a-n-g, Technology Core

24 U

niversity.

L. ZA CHAPEN , CCR r RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3- 54 92




P-''A r'M t 1

.7 6)

'

v

l

'

w..

m - ' -

1 And J spend there about two years and got

2 my second Master's Degree that was three-dimensional

3 i ma g e p ro c: e s s i (R g a nd c om p u t e r v i

.

s i- on .

4 I n y e a r 2 0 0 0

,

I r e c e i ve a n o t h e r f u 1 l

5 a s s i s t a nc e' s h i p f rom U n i ve r s i t y o f N e vad a - Re n o h e r e

, 04 ; 3

6 and that 's why I went to the graduate school here;

7 spent another four years

.

8 I got my Ph

.

D. degree . My degree was in

9 compute r science and enqineering

.


:4:3

11 Q. Did you write a dissertation for your

12 Ph .D.?

13 A. Yes. My dissertation was about feature

14 subset selection for vehicle detection

.

That was a

15 grant -- that was a project supported by Ford Motor :4::

16 Company 's Scientific Research Lab

.

17 Tn ye ar 2001

,

I qot an internsh ip from

18 Ford Motor Company and I spent three month there

.

19 A fter three m onth

, my boss in Ford think

20 my work had great potential and that 's why he give my

04:36

21 advisor, Professor George Bebbis (phonetic)

,

UNR , a

22 grant to farther support my work

.

23 My work was vehicle -- for the vehicle

24 detection and ckassification

.





i ) 6 ) 177

1 Q . You talked about vehicle detection, and

2 you used the wo rd feature

.

3 Can yo u tell the Court wha t you mean by

4 the word feature ?

5 A. Fe ature is a rather abstract -- it 's a :4:3

6 concept. How we direct the object is a terminology

7 in the wozk of pattern recogn ition and image

8 processing .

9 For example -- I thtnk we can maybe have

10 an example here -- if we try to dishinguish between n4:a

11 human and, let 's say, an animal, the feature could be

12 the face, the leg, the head; that could be a feature

.

13 Q. And so you were, in your dissertation

,

14 talking akout features of the vehicles?

15 A . Ye s

.

:4:3

16 Q. Correct?

17 A . Ye s

.

18 And that --

19 Q. Go ahead.

20 A. And my dissertation wa s about automatic 04

:3

21 feature subset selection

, and basically my work on

22 that produ ct for three year

.

23 After that

, my wo rk wa s invited into

' 21 fourth generation Sm

art Car . There was auto show in





-,- .

,

7v, y.y a

.

) - . ..-)

1 2002 in Chicago and my work was there

.

J 2 Q. And what did that work do?

3 A . That work ks detect vehkcles and the -- in

4 front of the -- in front of vehicle was my software

5 running. 04

:3

6 Q. And what was that -- you say software

7 running; could you explain to the Court how thah

8 software ran ?

9 A. That sofkware is a -- the software --

10 software is just a sequence of instructions and 04:3

11 that -- and the interface between hum an and the

12 machine, :nd we can do some coding

,

use a software:

13 and after the coding is done

,

the machine convert

14 that into machfne language

,

which first step going to

15 be the assembly language

.

o4:3

16 After they get so many languages

,

further

17 they can convert that to m achine code becau se there 's

18 no way human can read machine code

,

but machine can

19 read machine code

.

20 That 's basically -- machine -- how the 04

:3

21 machine running is based on that machine code

.

22 The code is just bunch of numbers, like

23 83, 100, those kind of things

.

24 Q

. The cocle that you referred to that is the





) '-) 179

1 human readab le code?

f 2 A . Yes.

3 Q. Is that called source code?

4 A . Yes .

5 Q. And could you explain what that is? 04:3

6 A. Source code is just a, once again,

7 interface between hum an and m ach ine .

8 Source code is a bunch of sm aller

9 functionaiities, you know , make sure -- each smaller

10 funct ion doesn 't m ake any sense, but the source code 04:3

11 is l ike com bination of those kind of sm aller

12 functions.

u : qyons going 13 The comb ination of h ose unc

14 to serve a purpose . Thatïs basica lly why people

15 write the source code . o4:4

16 Q. And so would each of the combination of

17 functions have a number of different lines of source

18 code --

19 A . Ye s.

20 Q. -- that are associated with it? :4:4

21 A . Yes .

22 Q. And then those different functions

23 together provide the overall function of the program?

24 A ves that 's correct

.

L FZA CiIAPEN: CCR: RMR ( 7 7 5) 32 3-54 92




. .-. ;%.-:

( ) ( 'i 180

l Q. Now , you 've worked at eTreppid since when?

( 2 A . 1 o f t' i c i

a 2 ly j o i- n e d t h e c omp a n y ls t

3 January 2004 .

4 Be foze that l work on Lhe consultant for

5 abou t maykhe th re e wee ks ? 04 :4

6 Y e ah , t h r e e we e ks

.

7 Q. And what was your position?

8 A. Vice president of engineering

.

9 Q. And have you held that position

10 continuously while youtve been at eTreppid? 04:4

11 A . Yes.

12 Q. And what have your responsibilities been?

13 A

.

1 thânk my job falls into two different

14 categor ies.

15 The first category is like a -- my boss 04:4

16 gave me some work to do

.

17 And the second ca tegory

y

l thin ky the

18 eTreppid might want this kind of work, and these two

19 kind of works. I handle tha t differently

,

and for

20 the work, my boss 1et me to do first time is evaluate 04:4

21 feasibility, whether or not we can handle that

.

22 Sometime the requirement from the

23 government -- from the customer is not very realistic

24 and

,

for example, you know, they -- sometimes they





( ' 18 1 )è .. -- -

-.

.

.

1 say, ''Oka 'g, can you detect a person ?'' Rut the

person

(' 2 in thah im age may be only five-by -

five pixels big.

3 If this things happen

,

I would say, ''Okay,

4 we cannot do this; this is the reason

.

''

5 And I also give some suggestions

,

and th is 04:1

6 going to be the first step

.

7 If we thin k the product is feasible

r w e îre

8 going to the second step

.

The second step is going

9 ho analyze the p roduch further

.

10 Most time

,

I'm going 1:o come up with a 04:4

11 tree structure

.

12 For example

, if the object -- if the goal

' 13 is ''A '' then I need to figure out

,

you know, how to,

14 do ''A .'' What we need to do

,

maybe , we need to get

15 '' B '' a nd '' C '' do w n f i rs t

. 04 : 4

16 THE COURT : Excuse me

.

Can you slow down

17 a little b it? I th in k the cou rt reporter i

s ha ving

18 trouble keeping up with you

.

19 If you'd slow down just a little bit

.

20 THE WITNESS : Okay

. So it 's like the 04:42

21 tricks are -- the first time is the goal wo

uld be

22 ''A '' but taere 's no way we can jump to ''A

. I$ We need

23 to get ''B '' and '' (: '' down f i rs t

.

2 4 I f we n e 6, d t o ge t '' B '' and '' C '' d

o w n , w e

LIZA CHAPEN, CCR

,

RMR (775) 323-5492




.p... '..--

1 f) g

1 m i

g h t n e e d '' D e' ER n d '' EI

r

'' t h o s e t h i n g s b a s i c a 1 l y

,

a nd

( 2 analyze these whole thùngs

,

1'm gokng to get a tree

3 structure .

4 After ) get this

,

I need to further

5 analyze, vou know -- for examp le

, each note on the 04:4

6 t r e e '' B '' '' C '' '' E1 '' '' E '' t h e y a r e a s u b t a s k

:

i. s a

7 sub -algorjthm

.

8 We need to eva luate whether or

not we have

9 good algorithm to finish that task

.

If we do , hhen

10 basically we 're done with this step

. We can -- 04:4

11 confident we can do this

.

12 Next: step

,

most tkme, is 1'm going to

13 write a code usinq a tool

, a lanquage called MATLAB

,

14 and the Math -- with the MATLAH coding p

eriod --

15 maybe, you know

, afber we need -- I need to do each

, c4:4

16 every subfunctîon

,

test each, every subfunction

,

then

17 combine a11 those things toqether

,

see whether or not

18 the whole thing meet our goal

.

19 If they do

,

then I 'm done .

20 If they don 't

, I need to go back andr you :4:1

21 know , figure out why

.

22 We do this back and forth

couple times,

23 and after this

,

1'm going to, you know

, present the

;

24 result to my boss

,

and if my boss think that s okay

,

=

..- - . . - -





) ' )

1 then next step ts

,

we try to convert thah into a ''C''

f 2 coder C++ code.

3 And until that step

,

basicalky t'm going

4 to alter my hand -- alter my hand

,

1 only responsible

5 for, you knowy the people -- depends on algorithm so 04

:4

6 the engineer can converh hhat to ''C'' code

,

and then

7 maybe , you know , tbe customer requ ires

,

you know,

8 interface, and tfal not responsibke for that

.

9 RY MR . JAKOPIN :

10 Q . Al1 right

.

You said a 1ot there

.

04:4

11 Why don 't we try to break it up a little

12 bit beca use --

13 THE COURT: I mean, I don't want to

14 curtail pour exam tnation

r

but what does a11 this have

15 to do with the issues that we're trying to decid

e 04:4

16 here?

17 MR

.

JAKOPIN : Well, your Honor , this has

18 to do with the writing of software

,

of source code of

19 eTreppid that specifkcakly relates to pattern

20 recognition, to anomaly detection

, and this is a 04:4

21 witness who has written code that is used for that

,

22 and so --

23 THE COURT: Well

,

I think it 's only fair

24 for me to tell you

, I really didn 't unde rstand about

LIZA CHAPEN, CCRy RMR (775) 323-5492




. .w. 'v

( ) h 184

1 90 percent. o f what he sa kd, and paEt of tt ts my kac k

( 2 of training and education in the area that he 's

3 talking about, and two, part of it is lanquage and

4 that 's not anybody 's fault, but --

5 MR . JAKOPIN : 1'11 try to break it up 04:4

6 into --

7 THE COURT: -- I'm just trying to tell you

8 what I would want to know if I were in your shoes

.

9 MR . JAKO PIN : Uh-huh .

10 Well, thank you

,

your Honor. 04:4

11 T HE COURT : And so

,

againy the technical

12 parts of it, if you think 1 need to know about them

,

13 it's your time: but I'm just simply saying that 1

14 would appreciate it if you can avoid thaty to the

15 extent that you can , and still expla in to me what I 04:4

16 need to know about whose property this is

,

how it

17 b ecame their property , wh en Yt was developed

,

what

18 about this patent or this copyright from 1985: those

19 are the kânds of things I 'm going to have to decide

.

20 What he said here today

,

1, fran kly: I o4:4

21 teli you very honestly do not understand

.

22 So , you know --

23 MR. JAKOPIN : Thank you

r

your Honor .

'

24 By MR

. Jl yo pzx :





-... . ..... 1() s '

1 Q. You just described steps that you used to

2 ma ke software at oTrepp id, correct?

3 A . Yes .

4 Q . And is that source code that is qenerahed

5 at eTreppid? 04:46

6 A . Ye s.

7 Q . You generate one kind of source code idto

8 what you callecl MATLA B?

9 A . Yes, I used MATLAB for to test my ideas .

10 Q. Okay. And then another kind of source 04:4

11 code that that is converted to is; called C++?

12 A. Yes.

13 Q

Co rre ct ?

14 A. Yes .

15 Q. Now, is there software that you have 04:4

16 w ritten at eTrepp Ld that then uses that process to

17 move p attern recogn ition ?

18 A . I think most of my -- almost al1 my work

19 wa s related to pattern recognition.

20 Q . Would you describe some of the different 04:4

21 kinds of software that you wrote at eTreppid that

22 relates to pattern recognition?

23 A . For exam pley face detection is trying to,

24 you know

,

detect the face in 1ab video, and also





186

1 motion detection.

So i

f someone walk into a, you know , a

3 restrict zone , and also image registration

,

if, you

4 know : the video was taken from a mov ùng platform

.

5 A 11 those codey actually

,

I was 04:1

6 responsible .

7 Q. And so registration was one kind of sdurce

8 code relating to pahte rn recognition tha t you wrote?

9 A . Yes .

10 Q. And sofhware that would detect the face of c4:4

11 a person was another kind of source code that you

12 wrote?

13 A

.

Yes.

14 Q . And then another kind of source code that

15 you wrote relating to pattern recognition was for 04:4

16 motion dete ction?

17 A . Yes .

18 Q. Did you write any source code at eTreppid

19 relating to tracking of a vehic le?

20 A . Yes, 1 did

.

04:4

21 Q. Okay . So those different kinds of source

22 codes, you would write in what was called MATLAB?

23 A. Yeah, the first step -- the first step is

24 in MATLAB.

=





% w;o * '

187

1 Q. And the second step for a1l of those could

2 be converted to C+4?

3 A

. Yes.

4 Q. Okay . ls there a kind of application that

5 you eve done at eTreppid called anomaly detect ion? 04

:4

6 A . Yes

.

There was something T had done in

7 June two thousand -- I think June last year

.

8 Q. And what was that?

9 A . It 's try to detect something and -

-

which

10 not supposed to be a certain -- not supposed to o4

:4

11 present in a certain image

.

12 Q. So tt's something that you don't expect to

13 see in the picture?

14 A . Right

.

15 Q. And that's called anomaly detection? o4

:4

16 A

.

Right.

17 Q. And so you wrote source code for that at

18 eTreppid?

19 A . Yes

, I did .

20 Q. Okay. And is that anomaly detection a 04

:4

21 form of pattern recognition?

22 A

.

Yeah. Anomaly detection can consider only

23 one kind of pattern recognition

, pattern

24 classification.

LIZA CHAPEN, CCH, RMR (775) 323-5492




188

1 Q . Okay. Now, was alL the work Lhat you have

2 done while at efpreppid your orfginal work?

3 A . Yes.

4 Q. Did you use any source code that

5 Mr . Montgom ery provided you in do ing that work? o4:4

6 A . A s (ar as I'm aware , no .

7 Q. Okay. Does eTreppid own the source codè

8 that you wrote ?

9 A . Ye s, T thin k so .

10 Q. Who reports to you on your team at n1:4

11 eTrepp id?

12 A. A1l the engineer report to me

.

13 And do you want the name?

14 Q . Yes, please.

15 A . O kay . Navin , Saurabh, Krishna

,

M ichael, 04:4

16 ''Yumi'' Suchita; all those engineers report to me

.

17 Q. Do certain of those engineers work on

18 projects that relate to source code of pattern

19 recognition?

20 A. Yes

. Navin and Saurabh and Krishna, Yong 04:4

21 Mian .

22 Q. Okay. Do those engineers have work

23 stations that they use to save their source code on?

24 A. ves.





-. '.''- 1 () 9

1 Q . Do they, then, save source code that

2 they've worked typicalty on their machines on a

3 server?

4 A . Yeah , I think so . Yes .

5 Q . And do you know the name of that server at n4:b

6 eTreppid?

7 A. I think called SRCSERVER o r --

8 Q. Okay.

9 A . Yeah , called SRCSERVER.

10 Q. Are you aware of whether the engineers are 04:5

11 now being able to work on the sou rce code that is

12 stored on the SRCSERVER?

13 A. That was couple weeks agoz and Krishna

14 told m e hbs cod e was gone.

15 Q. Okay. Any other engineers -- o4:b

16 MR. FLYNN: Objection, your Honor;

17 hear sa y .

18 BY MR . JAFOPIN :

19 Q . -- telt you their code was gone?

20 MR . FLYNN : Hearsay. 04:5

21 THE COURT : It is hearsay .

22 Sustained .


. 24 Q. Have you been able to access source code

LEEZA CHAPEN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




,.e. '- 1 () ()

'

1 f r om t h e 65 RC S E k V El 14 ? '

2 A

.

Thalr, ( cannot -- what I can access is

3 only there 's a di rectory for me . 1 can only access

4 that directory, but other people 's work, 1 cannot

.

5 Q. Okay . Is that directory for you something o4:5

6 that you can access today on the SRCSERVER?

7 A . 1 thin k so, but I didn 't try that .

8 Q . Wert: you involved kn looking for source

9 code that had been deleted at the company?

10 A . Sorry , I didn 't understand this question

.

n4:s

11 Q. Were you involved in looking for any

12 sou rce cod e that had been deleted at the company?

' 13 A

. Oh, no .

14 Q. Okay. Did Mr. Montqomery ever provide you

15 any source code written in MATLAB? 04:5

16 A . No .

17 Q . O kay . Were you aware of Mr

.

Montgomery

18 ever providing you a program that was kn C++ that had

19 been converted from MATLAB? '

20 A. No . :4:5

21 Q. Okay . Could you explain to the Court the

22 type of instructions that Mr

.

Montgomery would give

23 to you for projects?

24 A

. Most time is he give me a -- show me, not

LIZA CHAPFN: CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




, ... w 1 (

) y

- -

1 give me -- show m e a bunch o f image sequence

,

video

f' 2 sequence, and so

,

okay, we can see there's a vehicle

3 t he r e , we ca n s e e t #1 e r e ' s w a 1 k t n $) p e o p le o ve r t h e r e

.

4 C a n w e d e t e c t t h a t ? C a n w e t r a c k t h a t

.

5 T h a t i s - - no rma l 1 y t h i s i s 1 i ke t h a t

04 : 5

6 Q . D i d in e g i v e y o u a n y d i r e c t i o n o n h o w t o

7 det e c.t t h a' t ?

8 A . A s f a r a s I r e m e m L) e r

r

n o .

9 Q . Wa s t ha t s ome t h i n q t ha t yo u w e r e t h e n

10 re s pon s i b l e f o r , i

n f a c t , de h e rmi n i n g h ow t o d o i t ? 04 : 5

11 A . Y e s , ye s

.

12 Q . And yolz wou ld t he n do t hat

,

and f rom t ha t r

' 13 ou wou ld t he n w r i t e you r MATLAR s c r i

pt ? Y

14 A . Y e s .

15 Q . And t he n f rom tha t , t he eng inee rs wou ld 04

: s

16 t a ke t hat MATLAB s c r ipt and put i t i nto C++ ?

17 A . Tha t ' s cto r rect

18 Q . And f rom that , then

,

the sof tware f or that

19 part icular appl i cat ion would be deve loped? '

2 0 A . Y e s . 04

: s

2 1 Q . O k a y . An d t h e r e w e r e m a n y d i f f e r e n t

2 2 p a t t e r n r e c o g n i t i o n a pp 1 i ca t i o n s t h a t w e r e d e ve lo p e d

2 3 i n t h a t w a y ?

24 A. Yes. And almost every one -- I think





-. '- 1 g) .,2

1 every piece of applLcation, every piece of code is

2 done in that way.

3 Q. And that would include the one that was

4 detecting the face of the person?

5 A. Yes . n4:s

6 Q. And the one that was doing the motion

7 detection?

8 A. Yes.

9 Q. And the one that was doing the tracking of

10 a vehicle ? 04:5a

11 A . Yes .

12 Q. As well as the registration process?

13 A. Yes.

14 MR. JAFOPIN : Okay

. I have nothing more .

15 THE COURT : Mr

. Flynn. 04:b

16

17 CR OSS EXAM INA TION

18 BY MR . FLYNN :

19 Q. Is it Mr. Sun?

20 A. Yes . Doctor

.

o4:5

21 Q. Dr. Sun. Thank you .

22 You have no type of security clearance

23 from the U .S . Government?

2 4 A . N o 1 cl on ' t . '

r





193

1 Q. You have -- you 're not a U .S. citizen?

t' 2 A

. N o .

3 Q . Now, let me see if I understand your

4 hestimony .

5 1 had 8t little hard time followint; it, 04:

6 too , but 1et me see if 1 can unde rstand .

1 A ' O kay .

8 Q. You were workinq on creating lines of

9 codes w ith sou rce codes based on some type of an

10 algorihhm technology for facial recognition? 94:

11 A . Ye s, that's one of m y tasks.

12 Q. You were working on creating lines of code

13 with source codes based on algorithms for object

14 trac king ?

15 A . Yes. 04:

16 Q. On your own work station?

17 A . No , I would not say that , because as I

18 explained before, that actually is a teamw ork.

19 I do part of that work and my group do

20 part of t hat work . 04:

21 Q . And you never worked with Mr. Montgomery?

22 A . What do you mean by that? He was my boss.

23 Q. But he never -- from what I just heard --

24 Maybe I misunderstood something

.





... -.... yg gj t)

l A - U h - h u h .

2 Q. He never gave you anything for you to do

3 the work vou just described?

4 A . I 'm con fused . I don 't think 1 understand

5 your question . 04:5

6 The things -- part of my work is like he

7 gave to me , 1et me do that .

8 Q. What did he give you?

9 A . It 's like, most time there 's a radio

10 sequence -- 04:

11 Q . Well --

12 A . -- and 1et me do it.

13 O kay, you know , there 's a video sequence,

14 and can you do this?

15 Things like that . 04:

16 Q. I thought you said that he didn 't give you

17 anyth ing bhat you needed to do you r work .

18 Maybe I misunderstood that .

19 A. Oh, what I mean is, in the level algorithm

20 because it's like any people can ask me, let 's say, 04:

21 okay, we have, you know, video sequence, can we track

22 this person? Can we, you know, detect this person?

23 This most of the time, this is Dennis 1et

24 me do

.





...y ..... 1 : (5

1 Q. So you created your own source codes.

2 That 's where 1 th ink 1 want ho get

.

3 A l1 -- you did it by yourself?

4 A. Parll o f that: yes, I did by myself.

5 Q. So you got your own source codes? 04:s

6 A. Oh, yes, l think that's true.

7 Q. Right now, you lve got your own source

8 codes for al1 the work youpve done?

9 A. That was talking about maybe a couple

10 weeks ago, but now I think part of my code also 04:5

11 missing .

12 Q. What part is missing?

13 A

.

For example, the anomaly detection , 1

14 think 1 donlt see that any more in my computer

.

15 Q. Is that something that 's not -- the 04:5

16 anomaly detectgion software that's no longer in your

17 computer, is it something you created?

18 A . Yes, I did .

19 Q. In the last few weeks, have you recreated

20 it? 04:5

21 A. No , not

yet .

22 Q. You can recreate it?

23 A . Yes, I can

.

24 Q

. How long will it take you?





..x. v 1: 6

1 A . 1 rea lly -- 1 really don 't know , because

( 2 that depends on -- thks is only part of the things.

3 My work is, in the algorithm level, is

4 like , 1 do some ptotecting and get the algorithm

5 down . The actual source code is d iffe rent from the 04:5

6 algor ithm .

7 Algorithm is like a high level thing and

8 if I1m confident we can do this, which means 1'm

9 confident we can find algorithm to do that.

10 The actual coding actually for some other O4:b

11 engineers, 1 mean, C ++, not in the MATLAB . MATLAB is

12 a very high level source code. It 's like a --

f 13 it's --

14 Can I use an example here?

15 Q. Sure . o4:s

16 A . Okay.

17 Q. I'm just trying to get edified, and I

18 believe the judge is trying to get educated, too.

19 Go ahead .

20 A . Okay . MATLAB is like, for example, is 04::

21 just a tool and let's say if I want to build a house,

22 the MATLA B maybe have some, you know , bu ilding

23 b locks, lsuke windows, foundation .

24 If 1 want test my design

,

just in -- pull





x.x .- y9:

1 that p artkcula r window , pull that particular

(' 2 foundation, pull them together, see whether or not

3 hhat is good , and the thingsr you know, if in com e

4 the ''C'' code , people have to actually bu ild that

5 window. 04::

6 That itself miqht take, you know, I don 't

7 know , some tim e . Tha t 's why, you know, I can get the

8 MATLAR code done, maybe , you knowr in couple weeks,

9 but I rea Lly don 't know how soon they can do the ''CH

10 code . 04:

11 Q. How many lines of code make up -- how many

12 lines of code make up an algorithm ?

( 13 A. That algorithm?

14 Yo u 're talking about the MAT LAR or are you

15 talking about ''C'' code? 04:

16 Q. What you were working on.

17 A . MA TLAB .

18 That is not very big; maybe, you know,

19 couple hundred .

20 Q. Okay. Do you have those lines of code? c4:

21 A. At this moment?

22 Q. Yes.

23 A. T think I might have . I really dontt --

;'

1

.

24 Iïm not sare about that.

LIZA CHAPEN, CCRZ RMR (V75) 323-5492




,.e .., 1 : g

1 Q . W e l 1. . 14 a v e y o u (D h e (7 ke d ?

(' 2 A . W h a t ?

3 Q. Have you checked to see whether you have

4 these lines of code that make up the algorithms that

5 you worked on? 04:5

6 A . In my machine -- what I mean

,

in my

7 machine I donnl think I have

,

but I think laàt year

8 my m ach ine got c loned couple times

.

9 I real Ly don 't know whethe r or not they

10 still have that code in those clone disk

. o4:5

11 Q . So fn the last -- have you been looking

12 for these lines of code on this algo rithm for the

I 13 last few weeks?

'

14 A . N o , b e (

n a u s e I w a s o :1 v a c a t i

o n .

15 Q. So you don 't know whether anything is 04:5

16 missing or not?

17 A . I --

18 Q. It could still be at eTreppid

.

19 A. ln last several days

, my eng ineer told me

20 the ir code wa s gon e

. o4:s

21 My code --

22 MR

.

FLYNN: I object and move to strikez

23 your Honor.

2 4 T H E c OU RT : T h a t 1 s a 11 r i g h t

-





...., 'v 19 g)

. ......- .

l MR

.

FLYHN : His eng ineer told him .

( 2 THE COMRT: That's a11 right

. I 'm not

3 goinq to consider it for the truth of j

t, but go

4 ahead .

5 BY MR . FLYNN : n4

:5

6 Q. Mr. Sun, what we're trying to find out --

7 A. Uh-huh.

8 Q. -- is anything that you created

, one, you

9 can recreate r correct?

10 A . Oh

,

yes. 04:5

11 Q. And two, anything that you created

,

as of

12 the momentz we don 'h know whether it ls the re

r o r we

13 don't know based on your personal knowledge?

14 A. 1 thinh

,

ba sed on my personal knowledge

,

I

15 think it 's not there

. os:no

16 Q. Now, dc) you know how many types --

17 Do you know anything about the qovernment

18 contracts at all?

19 A

.

No : I don 't because I'm no t supposed to

,

20 you know, ask anything there

.

It's like, I just do os:oo

21 the things my boss 1et me to do

.

22 Q. So in terms of

, say, object tracking --

23 A. Uh-huh

.

24 Q. -- do you know how many components of





.- %r. 2 () o

1 object tracking e'lreppid was involved in, some having

f 2 to do with government contracts, some having nothing

3 to do with governm ent contracts?

4 A . A s L said before, no, 1 don 't know about

5 that . Qs::

6 Q. Did you back up your work station?

7 A. Actually, my -- first, my cömputer is not

8 a work station and 1 didn 't back up; the company back

9 up .

10 1 don 't have anywhere to back up

. 05:0

11 Q. Okay. The company backed it up?

12 A. Yeah.

4 13 Q. Where fs the -- have you checked the

14 backup that the company did on your work product?

15 A. That out of my hand . I'm not allowed to :s:o

16 do that, because basically what was -- what I

17 responsible is the algorithm in those level

,

and

18 whether or not they -- how they back up the software

,

19 which I don 't know .

20 Q. Was Patty Gray ever on your computer? ns:o

21 A. What do you mean by ''on my computer''?

22 Use my computer or --

23 Q. Yes, without your permission?

t 24 A

. As rar as z ,m aware, no .

L'EZA CHAPEN, CCR, RMR ( 7 7 5) 32 3-54 92




. ,.. . 2 () k

1 S i n c e yo u kno w , I (io h a v e a s h a r e d

t 2 d irectory , that 's for sure .

3 Q. Since 'ae don't know if there 's anything

4 missing r ight now --

5 A . I th in k we know something m issânq, because 05:0

6 at that ti me, I was in hospital, couple people work

7 unde r me call me . They say --

8 MR. FLYNN: Well, I object and move to

9 stri ke, your Honor.

10 THE WITNESS : Okay . 0s:o

11 MR. FLYNN : Buh Jet them bring them in if

12 they --

( 13 THE COURT: I'm going to hear the

14 evidence. There's not a jury here. 1'11 give it the

15 weight I think ât 's entitled to. 05:0

16 M R. FLYNN : Okay .

17 BY M R . FLYNN :

18 Q. Let me ask you this, sir.

19 If you think there 's something missing

20 that you need, in the last two weeks: have you made 05:0

21 any effort to go get it?

22 A . As I said before, I was on vacation last

23 couple weeks. My daughter was born 9th of January.

( 24 I was on vacatLon.

LEZA CHAPEN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




. ..... ' 'r zg:

1 Q . O k a y . C o n g r a t u 1

a t .i

o n s o n y o u r d a u (J h t e r .

( 2 A . T h a ;à k 'go u .

3 Q. Rut in the next few weeks

,

do you know of

4 any rea sor. why you ca nnot go find it?

5 A . I think I might want to try

,

but I rea lly ns:0

6 don 't knou whether or not f can find that

.

7 Q . So as of todayts date

,

för purpo ses of

8 this hearing, you don't know ?

9 A . No .

10 MR . FLYNN : Thank you

.

05:0

11 THE COURT : Red irect?

12 MR . JA KOPIN : No

,

your Honor.

13 THE COURT: May this witness be excused?

14 MR . JAKQPIN : Yes

.

15 MR . FLYNN : Yes

z your Honor . 0st03

16 THE COURT; You may step down

.

17 You tre excused

.

Thank you for coming .

18 THE WITNESS : Okay

.


20 THE COURT : Call your next witness

.

0s:o

21 Step forward, sir, and be sworn first .

22 THE WITNESS: Okay

.

23 (The wâtness was sworn.)

24 THE COURT: Thank you

.





...y .v 203

1 11 F1 H DA L L A . ROM AN ,

( 2 c a 1 1 e d a s a w i t n e :5 s , h a v i n g b e e n f i r s t d u l y s w o r n ,

3 1 e /5 t i f i e d a s f o 1 1ow s :

4

5 D ( RRCT EXAMINAT 1ON oblû

6 BY MR . JAIIOPIN :

7 Q . Wo u .L d yo u s t a t e a n d s p e 11 yo u r n ame r

8 p le a s e .

9 A . K e n d a 1 l A . R o ma n .

10 MR . FI,YNN : Your Hono r , ma ybe i t Would be 05:

l 1 qu i c ke r f o r me t o p u t my ob j e c t i o n i n n ow .

l 2 I b e l j e v e t h i s i s t h e e xp e r t . 1 t h i n k , a t

? 13 this point in proceeding, let's -- it's such a waste

14 of time to do an expert.

15 I would aubmit, if we just put Mr. Trepp ns:

16 and Mr. Montgomery on the witness stand, for judicial

17 efficiency , cut through all of th is stuff and qet to

18 the bottom of this.

19 We have not been disclosed who he is, any

20 information about him . We 've been given nothing. To os

21 put an expert on , on the eurrent state, foundational

22 state of the record, is purposeless.

23 THR COURT : Wellr I don lt know what he 's

( 24 going to say and so, I mean, it's just like the --

'LIZA CHAPEN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




.

. ...r v 2 0 4

1 y o u kn ow , '' I o b j e (: t.. ''

' 2 '' W h ct t ' :; yo u r g r o u nd s ? ''

3 '' I 1 nl no t g o i.n g t o t e l 1 y o u . ''

4 I cl ( ) n ' 1 . k n o w w h e t h e r h e h a s s o m e t h i n g t o

5 say that will be heLpfu â to the Court or not . He may 05:0b

6 or may not, and so I can't just arbitrarily restrict

7 either side from putting somebody on the witness

8 stand because of their statu s as a 1ay witness,

9 expert witness , whatever .

10 Let 's go a lâttle bit and we 'll see 05:05

11 what --

12 Wel l: let 's put it this way .

13 Counsek can you telt me what he's going

F

14 to -- what's the subject matter going to be?

15 MR. JAKOPIN: Yes, the subject matter is 0s:n5

16 background to explatn to the Court about source code

.

17 It 's tc) show he 's had conversations with

18 various employees at the company, and in his own

19 language to explain what it is that has occurred at

20 the company, and to then be able to provide to the 05:0

21 Court his opinion on the damage that has occurred as

22 a result of what has been deleted

.

23 THE COURT : A11 right

. Wellr let 's take

24 it a step at a time.

L3ZA CHAPEN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




. ze 205-J

1 Let 's Hee where we qo with it .

2 BY MR. JAKOPIN:

3 Q. Can you give me your educational

4 backg round since high schoo) , please .

5 A. Yes. I have a Rachelo r's Degree in 05:0

6 com puter science grom Rrigham Young University, 1982,

7 and that deg ree included b0th hardware and software

8 databases and inter-computer communications , which is

9 called networking .

10 Q. Do you have any experience with various 05:0

11 different languages thak are usecl for source code

12 programming ?

t' 13 A. Yes

. l've studied and programmed in

14 numerous zanguages, including the one s at issue in

15 this casey C++ . os:c

16 Q. Are you familiar with different computer

17 hardw are platfo rms?

18 A. Yes, I am .

19 Q. And how about different computer software

20 p latfo rms? os:0

21 A. Yes.

22 Q. Is there an area of your expertise that

23 relates tc computer forensics?

/

'

2 4 A . Y e s . F o r t h e 1 a s t s i x y e a r s : I ' v e b e e n





*M v 206

1 doing expe rt w itness consulting , as well as regular

2 business consutting, and a 1ot of that work has been

3 as a computer fo rensic expert.

4 I've worked on eases for the government

5 where I 've done data recovery: in particularr video. 05::

6 I was hired by the State of California to

7 recover video from security cameras at one of their

8 correction al facizities, and l've testified regarding

9 that forensic recovery process and also the analysis

10 I've done of the recovered data. os:o

11 I've also worked on cases for the

12 Departmen t of Defense, particularly the Depa rtment of

4 13 the Navyr as a defense expert.

14 Q. Have you worked on technologies relating

15 to what we 've heard today as software compression? nst

''

j

16 A . Yes. i 've been working with, in

17 p articu larr audio and video comp ression for over a

18 decade .

19 I have a number of pend ing patents in the

20 area of video compression, video transmission, and I 0s:

21 bave an FDA app roved medical device that T was the

22 primary inventor and developer of.

23 Q. And how about with respect to pattern

t 24 recognition? Do you have background with pattern





z .

.

z 2 () -Jv '>*

1 recogniticn?

2 A. Welk, pattern recognition has kind of a

3 broad -- a broad scope .

4 A11 data compression, at som e .level, is

5 loo king fcr patterns o f materia l that can be stored os:n

6 in a m ore effityient way.

7 A very simple way of doing comp ression is

8 to look fcr a series of zeroes in a row and replace

9 that series of zeroes with a number that represents

10 that run length of zeroes. os:o

11 There fs pattern recoqnition bu ilt into

12 a lmo st any comp ression algorithm .

' 13 Theru therels this more specific pattern

14 recognition where we 're looking for a face or an iris

15 or th inqs like that, and that kind o f patte rn 05:0

16 recogniticn has just come to the forefront in the

17 last few years.

18 MR . JAKOPIN : 1'd like to tender him, your

19 Honorr as an expert.

20 THE COURT : Ifm satisfied. ns:o

21 Go ahead .

22 MR . JAKOPIN: A11 right . Thank you .

23 BY MR . JAKO PIN:

' 24 Q

.

Gettinf) back to source code, could you





,

'

2 () g '.>n' ' v

'

- .- --

.- -

1 explain to the Gogrt how source code is used by the

( 2 computer?

3 A . Yes. Computers run programs , basically

4 that 's what they 're designed to do 4 and the computer

5 program is simply a series of instructkons for the Qs:1

6 computer to execu te .

7 In order for the human programmer to tell

8 the computer what to do, we could write the

9 instruct ions at a very 1ow levely which is called

10 machine languaqe; zeroes and ones that you 've heard 05:1

11 abou t .

12 But that 's very tedious

,

and so what we 've

' 13 done is we 've written these hiqher level languages

14 like C++ that actually use Eng lish words , and you can

15 put comments and various other ways of making it more 05:1

16 understandable for the human being

.

17 So as .4 programmer

,

we, in the text file,

18 just like writtnq a letter, we write in the speciak

19 language -- it might be MATLAB or it might be C++ or

20 Java or one of these other languages -- and it's just n5:z

21 an electronic document that has a series of

22 instructions written in the high level language

,

and

23 as a -- as Sloan testified , there 's a comp iling that

( 24 takes these source code files and compiles them into

L -E ZA CHAPFN , CCR y RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3- 54 9 2




.

' 209

l object code and ltbraries, which then a11 get

2 compiled together to form the executable program .

3 And so when we talk about so ftw are , we

4 usually tdlk about the source cocle for the proqram ,

5 as well as the intermed iate files and the n5:1

6 executables .

7 Q. A11 right. Do you have an understanding,

8 based upon you r conversations with different people

9 at eTreppjd, as to what source code files were to be

10 deleted at the company? os:1

11 MR. FLYNN: 1 object, your Honor.

12 THE COURT : I 'm sorry?

( 13 MR. FLYNN: I object, your Honor.

14 THE COURT : Hearsay?

15 MR . FLYNN : Yes . os:l

16 MR . JAKOPIN : He 's an expert, your Honor .

17 He can reqy on things that are not --

18 THE COURT : Well, I think you --

19 MR . LOGAR : Only as foundational .

20 THE COURT: If you 're going to be Os:1

21 technical , I think you have to 1ay the foundation

22 that these are the types of things upon which he

23 would ordânarily rely in the practice o f his

( 24 profession outside of the courtroom .

L'( ZA CHAPEN , CCR: RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3- 54 92




.

.,. , . .,.. .

2 1f)

1 MR . JA HQPIN: That's fine .

( 2 BY MR. JAFOPIN:

3 Q. ln order to make a determ ination that

4 file s have been dttleted at a facility, what would you

5 norma lly do? 05:1

6 A . Well, Lt 's an industry best practice to

7 have some type o f source code control system or a way

8 o f b acking up you r software .

9 Computers are machines and hhey break

10 down , and the storage medium such as magnetic disks 05:1

11 can actually decay over time, and so every software

12 company l've been involved in has some type of

j.'

13 repository wh ere they store their software, and the

14 software js usualty organized by projects and there's

15 limited access and there 's some type of tracking . 05:

16 A nd so when I wa s b rought into this case,

17 I specifically asked the d irector o f R&D and Dr . Sun

18 what software methodology Was being used in this

19 case .

20 In my first startup company, I actually os:

21 was the manager of processing controls and tools and

22 I put such processes in place, and then throughout my

23 career, I've been the CTO, chief technology officer,

L 24 and in that posltion, I was the one responsible for





.- ) w ;

2 11

1 making su re ou r software wa s secure .

t 2 S o o IR e o f t 14e f i r s t qu e s t i o n s I a s ke d t h e

3 employees was , ''Dict you have such an industry

4 standard Boftwace contro l proced ure?''

5 lnîttaLly, they did, but under 05:

6 Mr. Montgomery 's direction, they set up this other

7 system that 's not an industry standard methodology,

8 and that system was the SRC SERVER .

9 And on the SRCGERVER we re numerous

10 directorkes for the subprojects in the ET Latest, so 05

11 that wa s the eTreppid Latest sou rce code.

12 Q. A1J right.

/

13 A . And then also they had a work in proqress,

14 which was the ET programmers.

15 THE COURT : Let me interrupt you for a Ob

16 second .

17 What I'm concerned about is, if you were

18 hired simply to go to eTreppid and look at their

19 comp uters; to determ ine whether or not something had

20 been deleted, outside of the context of litigation, os

21 would your in that process, speak to pe ople wh o

22 worked there and rely upon what they told you in

23 order to practice your profession?

C 24 THE WITNESS: Yes, I would.





7 i- # Y ; 1 2 i*1

1 THE COURT : I im going to allow it.

2 MR. FLYNN: Your Honor, may T ask one voir

3 dire?

4 THK COURT : Yes, sir.

5 95:1

6 V()1.R DIRE EXAM INAT ION

7 BY MR . FLYNN :

8 Q . In the practice of your profession, would

9 you first go to the chief tech nical officer of the

10 company irt o rder to fulfill Lh at function? 0b:1

11 A . In pract ice, you don bt always -- depends

12 on the siz:e of the organization.

( 13 In practice, you donnl always go to the

14 chief technology officer first, but in a small

15 company l i ke th is , I would have go ne to the director o5:

16 of deve lopment or CTO.

17 Q. And that , of course, Ys Mr. Montqom ery?

18 A . Well, the director of R&D is who I talked

19 to, and that was, I believe, Sloan .

20 Q. But the chief technical officer of the os:

21 company, particularly with regard to this different

22 security cletection system , was Mr. Montgome ry ; isn 't

23 that correct?

t 24 A. My understanding is that he had left the

L I ZA C i1A PEN ? CCR , RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3- 5 4 9 2




.

.

, '

.. ,) 2 1 3- )

l company aqd was not -- not on site .

(' 2 Q

. So you never talked to him ?

3 A. That's correct.

4 M R. FLYNN : Your Honor, I -- if you 're

5 going to hear from Mr. Montqomery, without him having nb:

6 spo ken to M r. M ontgomery about what happen ed here r

7 which I b elieve is going to become perfectly clear to

8 the Court in five minutesr this is a11 useless

9 testimony .

10 THF COURT : Well , you see, I can 't -- I o5:

11 can 't mak e that determination .

12 It seems to me that the foundation has

(' 13 been laid for this testimony

.

Let me hear the

14 testimony, then we làl move on and the n If11 make that

15 evaluatioa. 0s:

16 I just -- you know, as I'm sure you know,

17 I 'm sure gou 're very experienced and you know that

18 as -- I mean, I knew as a lawyer when I came in that

19 the judge and the jury really didn't get it when they

20 first walked in, and I'm telling you, I1m in the 05:

21 process o g getting it, but I don 't quite get it yet

.

22 So Ifm going to 1et these people develop

23 their case and 1'11 let you do the same thing.

24 If we have to go a little late to do that

,





. .'.

) ''.-? 2 14

l we ' 1 1 do i

t .

2 G o ER ln e ad .

3

4 CONT f t1 t; E D D 1 RECT HXAM I N AT 1ON

5 B Y M R . JA 3:0 P IN t 0b : 1

6 Q . D o y o u h a v e a n u n d e r s t a n ci i n g o f w h a t

7 s o u r c e c o cLe h a (1 b e e n de 1 e t e d a t: t h e c omp a n y ?

8 A . As I m(' n t i oned be f o z' e

,

the re ' s t h i s ET

9 L a t e s t , w h i c h k s 1) h e l a t e s t w o r k 5 n g v e r s i o n o f t h e

10 s o u r ce c o (j e , wh i c h wo u l d b e t h e C + + c ode

,

a nd t h e ob : 1

' 11 l ib rari e s

,

and t he n t he re wa s a 1so t h e wo r k i n

12 prog re s s c ode y wh i c h wa s i n th e ET p rog ramm e rs or ET

13 development directory.

14 My understanding is that the majority of

1$ those directories -- the directories were still 05:1

16 there, but the -- or at least some of the directories

17 are still the re, but the files themselves

,

the source

18 code files and the executable files had a11 been

19 deleted .

20 MR. FLYNN: Objection to everything after, 05:1

21 ''My understanding.''

22 Hearsay, lacks foundation

.

23 THE COURT: I previously indicated Ilm

24 going to allow that testimony on the grounds that





.

r >.... j ;? ). ë5-. j

1 it's somethinq upon which he could reasonab ly rely as

( 2 an expert. I'kk gâve it the weight I think it's

3 entitled to.

4 Go ahead

.

5 THE WITNESS: The other quant ifiable nb

:

6 measure L 3 the number of giqabytes

.

7 A thousand bytes is a kilobyte

,

a million

8 bytes is CA m egabyte

,

a billion bytes is a g igabyte

,

9 and then a trillion bytes is terabyte

.

10 And so on the various servers

,

there were 05:

11 terabytes of data and -- wh ich ks extremely large for

12 a sma ll software company to have

, and on those

( 13 terabyte servers: there were

,

I think, around 120

14 gigabytes of data, which is a karge amount of source

15 code. 05

:

16 MR

.

FLYNN : I beg your pardon

,

whicb is --

17 THE WITN ESS : A large amount of source

18 code .

19 MR

. FLYNN : Thank you .

20 BY M R. JA KOPIN :

Os:

21 Q. Now, do you have an opinion as to -- do

22 you have an understanding that the source code has

23 not been available for the engineers to be working

( 24 with at the present tlme?





< .,e 1..- :

1

2 2 6

1 A . Yes. :45, understandinq is that through the

( 2 process of events that happened between December 21st

3 and Janua ry 10th , the ind iv idua l programmers' work

4 statkons nad h ad their h ard dr ives w iped out and

5 zeroed , w nich makes; it very d ifficult to recove r, if 05:

6 not impossible.

7 The SRCS;KRVER had been era sed , and they 're

8 attempting to recover some o f that da ta, but they're

9 only reco zering bits and pieces and that process

10 hasn 't bee n completed . 05:

11 And then there also was th is RAID server

12 that was zaken out, physically taken out of the

t 13 building, and my understandinq is that has not been

14 returned .

15 MR. FLYNN: Same objection. 05:

16 I know you fve alread y ruled y your Honor,

17 but just rzo preserve the record.

18 THE COURT : The record Will reflect your

19 continuinq objection --

20 MR . FLYNN : Thank you, your Honor

.

05:

21 THE COURT: -- if you want to do it that

22 way.


$ 24 Q

.

Are you aware that there 's a recovery





... x

j xw -j 2 I-/

1 process go tng on Lrying to recover this source code?

( 2 A . Y e s .

3 Q. While that recovery process is onqoing, dc)

4 the engineers have the ability to work with that

5 source code that has been recovered ? ns:

6 A . The short answer is now they don 't have

7 access to those machines because they dve been taken

8 off the network.

9 Q . And evelu then, ultimately if only a

10 certain percentage of source code is recovered, is -- 05:

11 let 's say 30 percent of the source code is

12 recovered -- would that imply that 30 percent of the

( 13 effort is recovered, as well?

14 A. I've worked on projects wherey let's say,

15 there 's a hundred files, and because of a hard disk os

16 failure, some of those files could not be recove red.

17 Fizling in the missing pie ces can be v ery

18 time-consuming . It has taken me months to get back

19 to a starting point when I've lost files in the past,

20 even for a very small case . us

21 It literally took many months of being

22 able to figure out what was -- first of all, what 's

23 miss ing; second of all, trying to recreate that, and

( 24 especially difficult if the employees who wrote that





: r 218 *zW

.

i *'Q

1 sofhware Ln the first place eithe r forgot

,

because

( 2 they dkd kt a year ago, or worse case, theyfve left

3 the company and so the people who did the original

4 work are not available to recreate it

.

5 So in thts case

, whe re the re 's been a 05:2

6 large amount of source code deleted and just

7 fragments of it being recovered

,

it could easily take

8 man yeaEs of effort to get back to a point whe re the

9 company could be as productive as they we re on

10 December ;h1st

. 05:2

11 Q. Given that the company has been creatkng

12 source code for seven years with numerous employees

,

j 13 would it L)e your opinion that that 's a substantial

14 amount of source code to have to recreate?

15 A

. Yes . ps

:2

16 MR

.

JAKOPIN : I have nothing further for

17 this witness at this tkme

,

you r Hono r .

18 THE COURT : Do you have any questions?

19 MR

. FLYNN: Just a couple .

20 :

::2

21 CROSS EXAMINATION

22 BY MR . FLYNN :

23 Q. Do you have a security clearance

,

Mr . --

.2 4 A . I do nc) t





. ,w . 2 1 9.-.,

.

)

1 Q. And did you actually go check persona lly

( 2 a11 the hitrd drives?

3 A. I ïve not been retained long enough to be

4 ab le to do thaty amount of work

.

5 Q. How long have you been retained? os:2

6 A . I was first tnontacted Thursday o r Friday

.

7 Q. How much have you been paid so far?

8 A . N othlng

.

9 Q. How much are you going to get paid for

10 your testimony here? 0s

:2

11 A. The --

12 Q. What's the deal?

j 13 A. Oh, I'm being paid by the hour.

14 Q. How much?

15 A. Three-ninety an hour is the rate we charge 95

:2

16 the client .

17 Q . How many hours have you put in so far?

18 A . I would say less than 40

.

19 Q. So you haven 't checked any of the hard

20 drives. ns

:2

21 Do you know how many hard drives there

22 are?

23 A . I know that there ls a -- I know that there

24 are 14 programmers

,

each of those programme rs have





.. ) 2 2 0 -., j .

1 two to hhree machirres, and some of those machines

( 2 have multtple drives, so they have operahing system

3 drives and then renlovable --

4 Q. Were you in the courtroom --

5 A . -- p rogram drives . :b:

6 Q. Were you in the courtroom when

7 Mr. Venab tes said that 80 percent of the software is

8 still on the com ptlters?

9 A . I don'h think 1 was in here at that

10 particula r moment, but I know like the operating 05:

11 system is still there.

12 It 's the source code that's been de leted

.

t 13 Q

. Source code of ''itz'' buh you do n ït know

14 what the 'it'' is yet either, do you?

15 A. Well, the source code of each programmer 's 05:

16 work, and each of the programmers is working on

17 different components .

18 Q . Basically, all you dve done today is parrot

19 what the employees have already told you?

20 A. Well, I also bring the light that I have 05:

21 of understanding the technology and --

22 Q. Understanding --

23 A. -- what goes into the software development

('

24 process, and also what is industry standard procedure

L I Z A C iIA P E N , C C R : RM R ( 7 7 5 ) 3 2 3 - 5 4 9 2




,w 221.' )

.. - -.

.

l for preserving source code

,

and then a tso the

( 2 forensic data recovery aspects of the case.

3 Q . Are you able

,

as an expert , to determ ine ,

4 assuming riles are gone or deleted -- it kind of has

5 that intentkonality context that someone snuck in and :5

:

6 files are no longex there

:

for whatever reason

.

7 Are you ab le to differentiate the reasons

8 if some internal clevice in the computer

,

intrusion

9 detection device destroyed the files

: as opposed to

10 someone going ùn and somehow de leting them? û

s:2

11 A. I've done a 1ot of work

r specifically

12 forensic-related wo rk to -- recovering deleted files

,

f 13 and there are -- every byte of data potentially can

14 be a trace of information

r and so when w e're talking

15 about billions and trillions of bytes of data

y

there os:z

16 are a larçre number of traces

.

17 So when l go in Lo do forensic analysis

,

18 I'm loo king for information that 's stored in the

19 computer, or T'm atso looking at how the inform ation

20 has been altered, when it 's be en altered

, and I am os:2

21 able to reconstruct what happened in numerous

22 situations

.

23 So if there was a program that deleted the

t 24 file

, on there wizl be a trace .





2 2 2 ... rw )

1 lf tt was deleted by a particular

2 individuat, tbere may be a log entry that shows that

3 îndividua t logg ing in

.

4 There aze -- I've worked on cases where

5 there actually have been history of the commands that ob:

6 were entered, and so in some of the cases w here I 've

7 gone in to do this forensic work

,

I actua lly was able

8 to identify who logged in

,

which machine they logqed

9 in from , and the actual command s they used to delete

10 the files. os

:

11 Q. But here you haven't been around long

12 enough to do that yet?

f 13 A. Thatds correct.

14 M R

. FLYNN : Thank you.

15 THE COURT : Any further with this witness? 05

:2

16

17 REDIRECT EXAM INA TION


19 Q. Counsel had mentioned an intrusion

20 detection device . 0:

:

21 Are you aware of so ftware compan ies whofve

22 deve loped source code putting devices on that source

23 code to then destroy it?

( 24 A

.

It 's a very common practice to develop a

LFZA CHAPEN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




-. 223 ia. , )

1 fire wall , b0th ha rdware and so ftwa re

, that detects

( 2 intrusion onto a network and we've heard some

3 testim ony about that

z

that there 's this Cisco router

4 that has Limits of what comes in

,

and when it detects

5 an intrus ton, ih achually loqs i: and blocks it

. 0s:2

6 That is alm ost un iversal in comp anies that

7 are connected to the Internet

.

8 This concept of using an intrusion device

9 to des hroy the company fs assets is a very unusual

10 thing, and usually the CTO or the people in charge 05

:2

11 woutd be responsible for maintaining the comp any's

12 source cocle assets

.

( 13 And so something that would delete the

14 only copy that the company had would be reckless and

15 very costly to the company

.

0s:a

16 MR

.

JAKOPJN : Thank y()u.

17 MR

. FLYNN : One m ore th ing s then

.

18

19 RECROSS EXAMINATION

20 BY MR . JAKOPIN:

:s:2

21 Q. Have you ever worked for a company where

22 the government ordered that type of a system?

23 A

.

No , I have not . It seem s very unusual

.

f' 24 MR FLYNN : Th

ank you .

LIRA CHAPEN, CCR, RMR (77b) 323-5492




.

. ,

2 2 ( ..t. j

l THE COU FT : A 11 right

.

Witness may be

/ 2 excused

.

(


4 M R . PEEF : Your Hon or

,

I'm going to

5 proffer an affidavit from the United States Air Force 05:2

6 in which - I think it addresses this issue raised by

7 Mr . Flynn , where Mr. Hennessy, who gives the

8 affidavit . savs that, ''I understand that

9 Mr . Montgom ery has stated that certain governmental

10 officials require that eTreppid put into place a 05:2

11 security protocol that would cause eTreppid source

12 codes to be'' -- ''source code to be autom atically

t 13 deleted if anyone attempted to access it improperly

.

14 To the best of my knowledge

y

no Air Force official

15 requires such a security protocot

.

''

os:2

16 I understand that M r

.

Hennessy may be

17 available by telephone ff there's an objection at al1

18 to this affidavit .

19 MR. FLYNN: The only objection we have,

20 we -- I think ât should be sealed

.

ns:

21 MR . PEEK: Well

y

we filed it sealed, your

22 Honor.

23 MR . FLYNN: We would be stuck with a

1%

l

..

2 4 wa i ve r i s s; u e .

LIZA CHAPEN, CCR? RMR (775) 323-5492




.

.

w .

225 *e*' ) (

1 W e don 't doubt that the A ir Force has no

f 2 knowledge We don't doubt that the Air Force has no

3 knowledge The Ajr Force is not the agency we 're

4 dealing with in this particular tnstance , so --

5 MR . PERK : Well, that may be the ir them e , 05:

6 your Honor .

7 THE COURT: Well, there's no objection to

8 the affidavity then --

9 MR . LOGA R : Well, it ïs hea rsay.

10 THE COURT: Plus in the context of this os:

11 pa rticular hea ring , 50th sides have filed

12 affidavits --

t la MR

.

p:EK: veah . The --

14 THE COURT: -- without objection, so --

15 MR . PEEK: Chapter 31, your Honor, permits ns:

16 hearing on affidavit, so does Rule 65, and I just

17 said that the gentleman is ava ilable by telephone if

18 the Court wants to talk to the witness by telephone .

19 MR. FLYNN : And I submit, your Honor, if

20 it becomes important enough as we go on, I'm going to 05

21 reserve ; we may have to have Mr . Hennessy on the

22 telephone .

23 THE COURT : I'm sorry?

('

' 24 MR . FLYNN : If --





2 2 6

...

.

. -

.

( ......k

1 THE COU1?T: Have who ?

ï 2 MR. PEE'K: Mr. Hennessy.

3 THE COURT : O h, M r

.

Hennessy r I'm sorry .

4 MR . FLYNN : M r

.

Hennessy.

5 MR . PEF=K: John Mr

.

Hennessy . 05:2

6 THE COURT: Yeah

.

lf w e need to , we need

7 to: but right now I can't judge that.

8 MR. FLYNN: E'1l reserve my objection --

9 THE COURT: A1l right

.

10 MR . FLYNN : -- untiL such time as we 05:2

11 determine whether --

12 MR . PEEK : Your Honor

,

then, we have

l 13 Mr . Trepp, I think

,

who is going to testify next

.

14 THE COHRT: Al1 right

.

Step over here

15 first to be sworn, please

,

sir . ns:a

16

17 WARREN TREPP

,

18 called a.s a w itness

,

having been first duly sworn,

19 testified as follows:

20

21 DIRECT EXAMINATION


23 Q. Can I have your name, please

.

( 2 4 A

wa r r e n T ce pp .

LCZA CHAPEN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




227

p-, I +

l Q. Wbat 's your current occupatkon?

( 2 A. 1'm the CEO of e'Creppid Technologies.

3 Q. For how long have you been that?

4 A . Abo ut seven yearsr sir

.

5 Q . Prior to eTreppid, what did you do? cs:%

6 A . 1 worked on -- 1 was actually semiretired

7 for a wh ile making personal investments

/

and prior to

8 that: I w orked on W all Street for about 20 years

.

9 Q. What's your educational background?

10 A. I graduated high school and took some ns:3

11 classes in coltege, but got no deg ree

.

12 Q. Do you have any techn ical training?

l 13 A. Re lative to?

14 Q . Relative to software?

15 A. Nothing that 1 haven 't been able to learn

,

:5:3

16 with the exception of the time 1 spent with the

17 company .

18 Q. Okay . Explain how you came to be involved

19 with eTreppid?

20 A. I was introduced to Dennis by a third 0s

:3

21 party who said that Dennis had what could be a great

22 opportunity for an investment in the high tech world

.

23 Q . Did there come a time when you met

24 Mr

.

Montgomery?

LTZA CHAPEN: CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




,

....) ,' v . 2 2 8

z- -

1 A . Ye s .

''

2 Q wh e n w a s; t ha t ? -

3 A . 1 b eljeve T met him the fârst t im e in '96,

4 and then T met h5m again in 1997.

5 Q. Tn your initial discussions, did you come os:

6 to some idea as to what a company was going to do?

7 A . Well, Dennis be lieved that he had a

8 p otential to create a better com pressio n pattern

9 recognition technology that could be developed ove r

10 tim e with the appropriate em ployees and capital to o5:

11 bring to fru ition something that wou ld be

12 revolutionary to the industry as is .

1

13 Q. Did there come a time that you ended up

14 form ing eTreppid? '

15 A . Yes . At the end of 1998 . 05:

16 Q. And as part of that formation, was there a

17 series of agreements that were entered into?

18 A . Yes .

19 Q . Was one of those a Contribution Ag reement

20 that was signed where certain technology of os

21 M r. Montgome ry was sold to the company?

22 A . That is correct.

23 Q . And was there, then, also an Operating

(' 24 Agreement that was formed at that same time?





2 2 9., ( >.

.

)

1 A . Yes .

2 Q. Dtd Lhe Operating Aqreement dkctate how

3 the company wou Ld c'perate?

4 A . Certain ly

.

5 MR. JAKOPIN : l hand you a copy

.

05:

6 MR. PERH: Get it marked firsh

, The court

7 clerk --

8 MR . JAKOPIN: We will mark it as

9 Exhibit 2

,. because I believe the cha rh was Exhibit 1

.

10 THE WITNESS : Your Honor

,

I left my 05:

11 glasses over there

.

12 THE COURT: t know the feeling

,

' 13 MR. LOGA R : Your Honor

, are we marking the

14 exhibits consecut Lvely?

15 THE COURT : Yes

.

05:3

16 MR . JAKOPIN : The chart was m arked as

17 Exhibit 1.

18 THE COURT : Yeah

.

19 MR. JAKOPIN : This is Exhibit 2

.

20 THE COURT : Yes

. 05:3

21 MR. PEEK : That 's fine with me, your

22 Honor, instead of A

,

B , C .

23 THE COURT: It just makes it easier to

f

24 deal with.





-..-.) ,,--'y 2 30

1 MR

. PREK : I agree .

( 2 (Exhibit 2 was marked for identification

.

)

3 BY M R. JAKOPIN :

4 Q. ls Lhis a copy of the initial Operating

5 Agreement that we were referring ho in hhe previous os

:3

6 question?

7 A . Yes

.

8 Q. And at the time was the company known as

9 Intrepid Techno logies

,

LLC?

10 A. It was

. 05:3

11 Q. Referrkng to what ia page six at

12 paragraph 2.7, do you see the paragraph that 's

l 3 ent i t le d F' u rp o s e ER n d B u s i n e s s o f LLC ?

14 A

. Ye s .

l 5 Q . I s i t sl o u r u n d e r s t a n d i n g t h a t w o u ld b e

, os : 3

16 ''To develop, p atent

,

distribute, license and exploit

17 in any manner and on a worldwide basis tha t certain

18 software compression technology contributed by the

19 Montgomery Trust and now owned by the LLC pursuant to

20 the terms and conditions of the Montgome ry Trust 05

:3

21 Contribution Agreement and to finance any and a11 of

22 the foregoing actâvities''?

23 That wa s collectively the business?

24 A Th

at 's correct

.





' .

. , 2 31--' k

l THE COUR'f: Now

,

excuse me for

( 2 interrupttng, but it helps me if you can tell me

3 where th is is .

4 Ts this the Amended Ope rating Agreement or

5 is th is anothe r orte? 05

:3

6 M R . JAKOPIN: This is at page six

, your

7 Honor, of the Operating Agreement of Intrepid

8 Technolog ies --

9 THE COUHT: And was that --

10 MR . JAKOPIN ; -- dated Sep hember 28th

, os:

11 1998 .

12 MR . PEEK: ltîs the original one

,

your

13 Honor.

14 MR

.

JAHOPIN: It 's the original one

.

15 THE COURT: And where is that in the 05

:3

16 exhibits?

17 Because I've got an amended one dated two

18 thousand -- November the lst

r

2001, and either -- if

19 there 's one in here I can look at

,

that's fine.

20 Otherwise

,

I wouldn 't mind, if nobody else 05:3

21 does, looking over Mr

.

Trepp 's shoulder, because I

22 want to see what we 're talking about

.

23 MR

.

JAKOPIN : I believe it wa s attached as

24 an exhibit to Lhe Reply

, your Honor .





,

2 3 2

...-.h .

...... )

. .

'

1 MR . PEEK: Well --

( 2 MR. JAKOPIN: But 1 can hand you a copyz

3 if that w auzd be more efficient .

4 THE COURT : O kay

.

t got the am ended and

5 restated , and I'vo got an assignment of patent

,

and os:

6 that's -- I don't see the other one

.

7 MR . JAKOPIN : Here is a copy for your

8 Honor .

9 THE COUHT : A11 right.

10 MR . LOGAR : Your Honorr may I ask what os:

11 you fve been qiven by counsel?

12 THE COURT : l fve been given -- why don ft

( 13 you come up here and look at it.

14 M R. LOGAR ; Just give me the tit le

.

15 THE COURT: It's Operating Agreement of 05:

16 Intrepid rechnologies, LLC.

17 MR . LOGAR: 'Vhe one thatrs been marked as

18 Exh ibit 2 :'

19 THE COURT : I can only tell you that's

20 what they represent to m e

. 05:

21 MR . LOGAR: Okay

.

Thank you .

22 THE COURT : Okay

.

We rre on page sixw

23 right? Paragraph 2.7, if I remember right?

24 MR

.

JAKOPIN : Right. And that was --

L'E ZA CHAPEN r CCR t RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3- 54 92




2 .3 3-8 Y ? ''*R'

.

- - -

l

1 T i F. C O IJ RT : O k a y .

i 2 MR . kTAK() P i N : - - th e bus i ne s s o f t he

.

3 company .

1 T H ë' C O U 1 T : A 1 l r i (g h t

5 M R . P F' F= K : W e ' r e 1 o (a k i n g a t i

t . 0 s :

6 Je 1' r y

.L :; l o o k i n g a t i t .

7 Y o u r 14 (3 n o r j u s t - - ma y w e h a ve a mome n t ,'

8 please.

9 THE CO URT: Yes

.

Yeah .

10 MR. PEEK: Than k you

.

05:

11 Your Honor, it is actually attached to the

12 Reply, bu t the pzoblem is

,

ih 's the last d ocument of

(' 13 Exhibit A.

14 A whole series of Operating Agreements are

15 attached as Exhibit A, so I apologize we didn ït break 05:

16 them down r but it 's actually in there

.

17 THE COURT : That îs al1 right

. This is a

18 document E just got --

19 MR. PEKK: Yeah

.

20 THE COURT : So I haven ft had a chance to ûs

:

21 read it --

22 MR. PEEK : Okay .

23 THE COURT: -- with a whole 1ot of care

.

( 24 A1l right.





( .w. 2 3 4ezh

1 MR. JAKO PIN : 1 was reading from paraqraph

( 2 2 .7 your Honor.

3 THE COLIPT : Yeahz I 'm with you

.

4 MR . JAKOPIN : The Purpose and Business of

5 the LLC . 05:

6 MR . JuOGJ R : Excuse me

,

your Honor .

7 Has the document been kdentified and

8 offered into ev idence?

9 THE OOUFT ; 1 understand that it 's

10 Exhibit 2 1 -- ns:

11 MR. LOGAR: Has it been offered into

12 evidence?

' 13 THE COURT: It has not been offered into

14 evidence .

15 MR. LOGAR: Thenr 1'11 object to any o5:

16 reference to the body of the document until it is

.

17 BY M R . JA ICO PIN :

18 Q. Mr. Trepp, is what has been identified as

19 Exhibit 2, which is the Operating Agreement of

20 Intrepid Technologies, the agreement that was entered os:

21 into between Friendly Capital Partners

,

Fremont

22 Trust, and Montgomery Trust?

23 A . Yes .

24 MR. JAHOPIN: Iïd like to offer Exhibit 2

L ( ZA CJIA PEN z CCR , RMR

.

( 7 7 5 ) 32 3- 54 9 2




... . /... ) 2 3 s

. -.-- -

1 into evidence .

( 2 MR. LOGAR: Your Honor, 1 still object.

3 There fs an inadequate founclation based

4 upon the individua ts that have executed the documenh

5 on behalf af the proposed partses . o5:a8

6 THE COURT : Are you familiar with this

7 document, Mr . Trepp?

8 THE W ITNESS: Well, 1 know this is the

9 document that we put together when we started the

10 busines s ia 1998. ns:as

11 Other than that, I frankly don 't -- 1 --

12 T HE COURT : That's what 1 mean.

f 13 Are you familiar with hhe document? Is it

14 a docum ent you 've seen before?

15 THE WITNESS: Well, I signed it . os:a

16 MR . PEEK : He sâgned it, your Honor.

17 THE COU1kT : And does it appear to be a

18 true and correct copy of that document?

19 THE WITNESS: To the be st of my knowledge,

20 your Honor. ns:3

21 THE COURT: Itrs admitted .

22 (Exhibit 2 was admitted into evidence a

23 BY MR . JAKOP IN :

('

' 24 Q . The Purpose and Business of the LLC





'

6- ) 236

.'.

)

1 referred to certain software com pression technology .

( 2 Do you see that?

3 A. Yes .

4 Q. What was your understanding of thah

5 certaîn softwaze compression techno logy ? 05:3

6 MR. LOGAR: Objection, your Honor.

7 MR. FLYHN: Object.

8 MR . LOGAR: Paro l evidence rule .

9 The language speaks for itself. Unless it

10 can be shown that there's any confusion by any of the :5:3

11 term s used , the document speaks for itself and his

12 opinion is irreleva nt and immaterial .

t' . ,

z

13 THE COU RT: lt s overruled.

14 Go ahead.

15 BY M R. JA FO PIN : 05:3

16 Q. Can you answer the question?

17 T HE COURT : Yes .

18 THE WITHESS : Clearly; my understanding of

19 what -- and if this is the proper question -- excuse

20 me, I think I1m answering what the question isr but 05:

21 I 'm not czystal c tear on it , but what I believed what

22 Dennis and I had agreed to do is basically start a

23 business, use what he had to develop , with basically

'r

.

24 my capital, giving him the ability to hire the

L t ZA CHAPEN g CCR: RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3-54 92




,.w

2 37

1*e l

1 approp riate employuu's to develop , on an on-qoing

( 2 basis, the exploitation of technologies relating to

3 what he had done denzonstrations for m e over the prior

4 years .

5 Those demonstrations included video ns:4o

6 comp ression, audio compression, pattern recognition ,

7 and various and sunclry other things thah m y

8 expectation certaân ly was, w ith the rsght cap ital,

9 right people, we would be ab le to deve lop over time .

10 THE COURT : A11 right . ns:4o

11 BY MR. JAKOPIN ;

12 Q. Turning t,o paragraph 6.5.

13 A . Yes .

14 Q. Was the -- there's a reference there to

15 the Time Devoted to Management by the manager

. 0s:41

16 Was the original manag er Mr. Montgomery?

17 A . 1 be lieve that was the case.

18 Q. Okay. So is it your understanding,

19 according 'no this agreement , that he should devote

20 substantia Lly a1 l of his time and attention and 0s:u

21 efforts to the Business, capital ''Br'' and affairs,

22 small ''A,'' of the LLC during reasonable business

23 hours?

24 A. Yes

. And not only tha t, 1 would certainly





2 3 f. ) ja--e

N

.

.. ..

z

l expect that if we were ma kjng a comm itment together

f' 2 to be partners in this

,

I expect that he would

3 certainly be willjng to contribute his time, efforts,

4 and energies into this solely and exc lusively, by

5 virtue of the jact that he was go ing to own half of os:4

6 the business .

7 Q. And at the time that the business was

8 formed, did he own half of the busine ss?

9 A . Absolutely .

10 Q. How much money did you put into the ob:4

11 company, initially , Mr. Trepp ?

12 A. I think it was a million three hundred

4 13 thousand dollars .

14 Q. Did Mr. Montgomery put in any money

15 initially? 05:4

16 A . He made 2: contribution of his techno logy,

17 eve rything to date what he had created for his

18 50 p ercent.

19 So, in theory, he got a m illion three in

20 stock value, but he put no money in it . os:4

21 MR. JAKOPIN : Thank you .

22 THE CLERK: Exhib it 3.

23 (Exhibit 3 was marked for identification .)

t 24 MR

. LOGAR: Counselr would you identify it





239

v.

( vw

1 for the record: please.

( 2 MR. JAHOPIN: T've had marked as Exhibit 3

3 the Contribution A greement by and between Intrepid

4 Technolog tes, LLC , and Dennis Montgomery and grenda

5 Montgom ery as the co-trustees o f the Montgomery 05:42

6 Family T rust, and the contributor in Dennis

7 Mon tgomeryr dated and executed September 28thz 1998.

8 BY M R. JAK3PIN :

9 Q . Do you recognize this, Mr. Trepp?

10 A. Yes. 0s:4a

11 Q. What is it?

12 A. This is the deal that I referred to before

13 as to what was -- Ilennis was contributing into the

14 pot for his 50 percent interest in going forw ard with

15 the compang. :5:4

16 Q. Is this a true and correct copy of this

17 agreeme nt?

18 A . To the b est of m y know ledge .

19 Q. And is that your signature --

20 A. Yes, ùt is. os:4

21 Q. -- on page l2?

22 A . Yes.

23 MR . JAKO PIN: 1'11 offer Exhibit 3 into

2 4 ev i de nc e

, vo ur H on o r .





( .- 2 4 0

1 THE COURT: Any objection?

i 2 MR. LOGAR: No objection.

3 THE COURT : Adm itted .

4 (Exhibit 3 was admitted into evidence.)

5 BY MR . JA K3PIN : 05:44

6 Q. Does hëlt:; aqreement define what it was

7 that Mr. Montgomery had contributed to Intrepid

8 Technologies , LLC?

9 A. To Lhe best ef my know ledge .

10 Q. Okay . Do you recall if paragraph 1.2 .1 is 05:4

11 referred to as CD No . 17

12 A. I don 't remember specifically ever

13 physically getting a CD , but clearly the

14 understanding of -- if there wa s a C Dz what we were

15 being given was contributed to hhe company . Gs:4

16 Q . Was there, early on in the time that the

17 company started , any discussion between you and

18 Mr. Montgomery that there was certain software

19 relating to compression technology that he was

20 contribut ing , b ut there was othe r software relating :5:4

21 to patent (sic) recognition technologies that he was

22 not contributing?

23 A . Ab solute ly .

24 MR. FLYNN: Objection; leading.

L -.'. ZA C i1A PEN , CCR z RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3 - 5 4 9 2




...

j f'...j 2 4 1

1 MR. LOGAR: And parol evidence.

( 2 MR. FLYNLI: And particularly, the whole

3 thing is fraugh t w ùth parol evidence which you can --

4 THE COURT: Well, 1 think that the pa rol

5 evidence rule, one, our Gourt has mod ified the p arol :s:4s

6 evidence rule p retty considerably in the last four or

7 ftve years, and I hhink even be fore that, to allow

8 people to make exp Lanations about their understanding

9 of the contracts and the negotiations that they were

10 involved in to a1d the Court in understanding and :5:4

11 interpreting the agreement .

12 1 think that the old, hard-and-fast parol

t 13 evidence rule is dead in Nevada.

14 I 'm solry, you were going to say

15 something? 95:4

16 MR . FLYNN: Your Honor, I think your

17 Honor fs rationale is probab ly correct . I donlt know

18 whether it's dead or not, but my objection is really

19 the following .

20 THE COURrr: Go ahead . :5:4

21 MR. FLYNN : I think the -- given the

22 nature of the fact that this is -- this clause has --

23 this contract has an integration clause, the

' 24 ex

amination should be extremely direct with no

LFZA CHAPEN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




212 -* / v

1 leading .

( 2 1 think Mr. Trepp should have the

3 respons ibi lity, withou t M r. Jakop in 's he lp, to

4 explain thase th kntjs; otherwise, 1 thânk it would

5 indicate why the underlying rationale of the parol os:46

6 ev idence rule was traditionally a good rule .

7 THE COURT: A 11 right . W ell, I understand

8 that and I agree w ith the lead ing part of it .

9 I mean, 1 usuallyr even in a trialy permit

10 a 1ot o f leading questions, because nine times out of 05:46

11 ten times they 're about issues that are important,

12 but if we 're talkâng about a central issue, 1 would

13 ask that you not ask leading questions about this

14 particular clause or interpretation.

15 lf you want to ask him what he thin ks 05:4

16 about it or what he did or what his thoughts were or

17 how he understands it, that 's fine , but 1et him tell

18 you what the answer is .

19 MR. JAKOPIN : Fine . We :ll do that, your

20 Honor . 05:4

21 THE COURT : A1l right.


23 Q . With respect to the -- what 's referred to

24 as certain compression technology in this agreement

,





w

2 4 3

... ) r j

1 what was your unde rstanding of what was the

2 technology that was being contributed?

3 A . Rasically, everyth înq that Dennis had

4 worked on tn the past, he had told me he was putting

5 togethe r i a a packitge , and it was something that we as:47

6 cou ld sbara on a go jng-fo rward base .

7 It certainly had -- it certainly was not

8 just compression technology, by any stretch of the

9 imagination.

10 He had given me demonstrations, as an 05:1

11 example, to where he too k the movie Gunga Din and

12 basically, in front of me, showed me how he could

13 colorize it by identifying a jacket on a person

14 running up the valley; the floor , the sky.

15 And then he showed me -- this was to 05:4

16 interest me in making an inve stment in the company

17 with him to 1et it grow over time .

18 So , by showing me these demonstrations, it

19 was clearly showing me he had the ability to take

20 frame ''A '' make frame two out of it, and basically do n5:4

21 his colorization process, and the way he explained

22 it, it was impossible to do it unless he was able to

23 identify specific patterns in frame uA'' that were

24 identtcal in two

.

LEZA C/G PEN, CCRS RMR (775) 323-5492




2 4 4

....

) f ...;-

1 He could then assLgn from , you know -- I

' k bow he did it to be perfectly frank, but 2 don t now ,

3 basically he was able to, over a series of frames,

4 over a time frame, be able to identify patterns in

5 each one of the fram es and then eolo rize what was a os:48

6 black and white film into what then waa co lor .

7 That woutd have been a good e xample of one

8 of the things that I saw, certainly, that I was

9 interested in then ma king an investment in

10 conjunction with him on a going-forward basis. o5:4

11 Q . Were there any other prototypes that he

12 showed to you before you made an investment?

13 A There were a number of different things,

14 but they were al1 thângs that were work in progress,

15 and I clearly understood, and we discussed that I was ob:4

16 going to have to put a million , t<o million , three

17 million, :. substantial amount of capital in this and

18 it was gosng to take us a minimum of two to three

19 years to develop this .

20 I mean, this was a research and Qs:

21 development project, and I knew it was going to take

22 a long period of time and, frankly , I had said, ''Tt's

23 not only going to take a 1ot of money; it 's going to

t 24 take more manpower than you could do it on your own





.

j J 24b

C- z . - - * ?

1 and you better go fLnd some people to he lp you .''

( 2 Q. When you then initially formed the

3 company , what was M r. Montgomery 's role?

4 A . He was the -- we tl, 1 to tal ly relied on

5 him fo r d ay-to-day operations . 05:4

6 He had made a11 the h îring decisionsr the

7 firing decision . 1 have no technical knowledge. I

8 was, 1 would say, more so as an investor, certainly,

9 but I certa inly had tremendously mo re bu siness

10 experience and knowledge than Dennis did in running a 0::4

11 business, and I would try to help him on an overview

12 basïs, but I had no wav of helping him on a daily

13 basis witb the employees

,

the programmers , or

14 anything of that klk.

15 MR . JAKO PIN : Okay. Thank you . o5:5

16 THE COURT : Just for plann ing purposes , at

17 three o lclock we are going to sw itch reporters , so

18 we 'll take a recess at that time .

19 MR . JAKO PIN : Okay, you r Bono r.

20 THE COUET : Did you mark something else? ns:

21 MR . JAKOPIN: I can, your Honor .

22 (Exhibit 4 was marked for identification.)

23 MR . JAKCPIN : I marked as Exhibit 4 an

'

'

24 Am ended and Restated Operating Agreement, dated





246-.) f ..<

1 January 1, 1999.

f 2 BY MR

. JA KO PIN :

3 Q. Do you recoqnize that, Mr. Trepp?

4 A . Yes .

5 Q. ls Lhis a true and original copy of this ns:b

6 Amended and Restated Operating Ag reement ?

7 A. Yes. E clearly signed it ,

8 To the best of my knowledge, that 's

9 correct .

10 (Discussion off the record .) 05:s

11 BY M R. JA FOPIN:

12 Q. Referring to page 23, which is paragraph

( 13 6.5 -- actually, where it says Time Devoted to

14 M anagem ent .

15 A . Yes. osis

16 Q. Do you see the same clause that had been

17 in the previous ag reement where now Mr

.

Montgomery is

18 the chief technology officer? He 's no longer the

19 manage r; he 's been given the title chief technology

20 officer, where he shall devote substantially a11 of n5:s

21 his fu ll time and attention and efforts to th e

22 Business, capital ''B '' again , and affairs

,

small ''A ''

23 of the LLC du ring reasonab le business hours?

2 4 A . Y e s .





. . .v-

'

) t .. . . 2 4 7

l Q. During the pe rformance of this agreement,

2 was it your understanding that that is what he was

3 doing?

4 A . Ab solutely.

5 Q . Was Mr. Montgomery paid to do those :5:52

6 activities during that period?

7 A . Oh w of course .

8 THE CLERK: Your Honoz, that Exhibit 4 was

9 not formally admitted yet .

10 MR . LOGAR: It wasn 't even offered . 05:5

11 THE COURT : Tt wasn 't offered .

12 MR . JAKOPIN: I apolog ize .

( 13 Can I have Exhibit 4 offered into

11 evidence, your Honor?

15 THE COURT: They did offer it . n51

16 Any objection?

17 M R . FLYNN: No, your Honor .

18 THE COURT: It's admitted .

19 (Exhibit 4 was admitted into evidence.)

20 (Exhibit 5 was marked for identificatfon.) 0:

21 MR . JAKOPIN : Marked as Exhibit 5, an

22 Amended and Restated Operating Agreement , dated

23 November 1st, 2001.

k' 24 BY MR . JAKOPT N :





2 4 8

.. .-,

) .--y'm.- j-

1 Q. Do you recognize this, Mr . Trepp?

2 A. Yes.

3 Q . 13 thùs a true and original copy of this

4 exhibit?

5 A. Yes, to the best of my knowledge . os:53

6 MR . JAKOl?IN : I'd like to offer Exhibit 5

7 into evidence.

8 MR. FLYMN: No objectlon.

9 THE COtJR'r: lt 's adm itted .

10 (Exhlbit 5 was admitted into evidenee.) Ds:5

11 BY MR . JAKOPIN:

12 Q. Referrtng again to what is in paragraph

13 6 5 Mr Trepp. - r .

14 A. What page is that?

15 Q. This is paqe 25. nb:

16 A. Okay.

17 Q. The paragraph is referred to as Time

18 Devoted to Management .

19 Do you see that ?

20 A . Yes . ns

21 Q. Do you see the same clause that says that

22 Mr. Montgomery shall devote substantially al1 of his

23 full time and attention and efforts to the Business'

t

,

24 capital ''BJ' and affairs, small ''A,'' of the LLC

L I Z A ('* HA P E N r C C R , RM R ( 7 7 5 ) 3 2 3 - 5 4 9 2




.

z 4 :

.

...e q

1 d u r i. n g r e a s o n ab l.e 13 u s i ne s s h o u r s ?

2 A . Y e s , I d tn .

3 Q. And dicl he do that during the term of this

4 agreement ?

5 A . Yes , he did. o5:s

6 Q . And was he paid for that?

7 A . Ab solute ly .

8 Q. And were these payments for the various

9 different Operat ing Agreements, those were in

10 addition to the percentage ownership that he had in 0s:s

11 the com pan y?

12 A . That is correct .

(' 13 MR . JAKOPIN: Nothing further with this

14 exhibit rzght now .

15 MR . FLYNN : Your Honor: again, I'd eauhion 05:

16 on al1 the leading .

17 THE COURT : Try not to ask so many leading

18 questions when we get down to the questions that are

19 important and central to the case.

20 MR . JAKOPIN; I will do thatz your Honor. 05:

21 BY MR . JA KOPIN :

22 Q. Do you see in these agreements that

23 Mr. Montgomery wa s what waa referred to as CTO?

(

.

2 4 A . Y e s .

I , 1 ZA C HA P FN , CCR , RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3 - 5 4 9 2




-

j j .- 2 5 0

C

1 Q. What were his responsibility as CTO?

2 A. He was rc,sponsible for running the

3 day-to-day busjness as far as the development of a11

4 of our technology , from the start through a couple o f

5 weeks ago e overseeing the empkoye es, programmers that os:ss

6 wo rked in the company .

7 Q . He was also on the management committee #

8 correct ?

9 A. That is correct.

10 Q . What were his responsibilities as part of c5:5

11 the management comm ittee?

12 A . There were three people on the management

f

:

13 comm ittee , and that group was supposed to be -- I

14 woutd eal l it like an executive committee Lo

15 basically determine what the overview or corporate 05:

16 plans for what the company would do on a

17 going-forward bas ks.

18 Q. Were you paid a salary --

19 Was he paid a salary as a CTO?

20 A . He was paid a salary from day one. ns

21 Q. Do you remember what his most recent

22 salary was?

23 A. $300,000.

(

24 MR . FLYNN: Can we have a time frame, your





,

.v

2 51

(* K* r

z Honor?

2 THE wlqayzss: He was paid $300,000 the

3 last three years he was employed there ; eac h year.

4 HY MR . JAFOPIN :

5 Q . Did you have an understanding of alk of 05:s

6 the va rious eng ineers who had been hired at eTrepptd

7 and what they dsd? Up until recently?

8 A. I had Dennis almost -- I had Dennis -- we

9 had lunch every day for almost seven years . We

10 discussed everythjng. 05:

11 When 1 say eve rything, I would ask an

12 awful 1oL of questlons about the technical sides of

t 13 the business to determine what else there was 1 could

14 do to help in the process .

15 If he needed either more capital or more o5

16 employees or more equipment or whatever that would

17 be, that would be the general gist of the

18 conversation .

19 He told me when he hired people . He told

20 me when he fired people . I frankly never got into 05

21 in-depth conversations as to who he would hire and

22 why; it would generally be, f'We're hiring this person

23 for hardware development,'' or, ''We need more programs

t 24 to do software developmentr'' or something.





.. .

A ,. v -

2 5 2

1 Genera Lly speakùng, that would be the

(' 2 conversat ion . '

3 But we had lunch eve ry day . 1 m ean , we

4 knew exact ly - - 1 -- we sha red inform ation every da y .

5 Q. On the busîness side, what did you 0b:s

6 contr ibute?

7 A. Well, clearly the capital to, A, start the

8 bu siness; B, contributed capital when the time frame

9 and the amount of money that Dennis explained to me

10 he though l we needed to develop the business . ns:

11 We made a decksion that we would go back

12 to the original investors and ask for a capital call

( 13 to generate more money to operate the business.

14 At some point , 1 got so concerned that

15 Dennis was goâng to get diluted down because he gs

16 couldn 't afford to put more money in the business, I

17 then chose , through one of my own pe rsonal entities,

18 to start lending millions of dollars into th e

19 business to keep the business go ing until we could

20 make money . o5

21 The company lost money from '99 to 2003,

22 millions and millions of dollars.

23 2004 was the first year we made a little

( 24 money .

LIZA CHAPEN, CCR, RMR (7V5) 323-5492




) v 2 5 '5

/ *:'' 1

1 And 2005, we made a little more money .

2 THF COURT: For the record, just so we

3 have it ot record, 1 marked the affidavih that was

4 submitted as Exhilait 6; it's not admitted but it 's

5 marked ancl so the next exhibit will be Exhibit 7. 05:5

6 (Exhibit 6 was marked for identification.)

7 MR . PEEK: In fact, actually, your Honor,

8 I would offer Kxhibit 6.

9 Or did you go ahead and admit it as per

10 our earlier discussion? n5:

11 THE COURT : To me, you know , we 've got a1l

12 kinds of material that 's bee n submitted here in aid

( 13 in opposition to this injunction and to this process

14 that 's hearsay, that's not been through the --

15 MR . PEEK: We don 't have any affidavits. 05

16 THE COURT : -- process, and so T'm going

17 to admit Exhibit 6.

18 MR . FLYHN: Your Honor, is Exhibit 6 --

19 that fs Exhibit A ?

20 MR . JAKOPIN : No r it's not . ob

21 THE COURT : No, Exhibit 6 is the affidavit

22 of the --

23 MR. FLYNN : Oh, yeah .

( 24 THE COURT: -- fellow from the Air Force.

LIZA CBAPEN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




.

..

> 5 4

,- .

- .

k

1 MR. FLYHN: So that 's been adm îtted .

2 And since you lre now admitting it, your .

3 Honor, 1 would have to object. 1 was reserving it

4 be fore because it was never actually offered but now

5 a t t h i s j u n c t i o n r f ' 1 1 o b j e c t. . 0 6 : 0

6 THE COURT: A11 right . Well, it 's

7 admitted .

8 (Exhibjt 6 was admitted into evidence.)

9 THE COU RT: And Exh ibât 7 is Exhibit A to

10 the Amended Agreement; is that right? n6:o

11 MR. JAKOPIN: Yes, it is.

12 (Exltibit 7 was marked for identification.)

( 13 MR. FLYNN: And I -- we object without

14 foundat ion , your Hono r.

15 THE COURT : To Exhibit 72 06:0

16 MR. FLYNN: Yeah, until we get some

17 foundation .

18 THE COURT: Al1 right .

19 BY MR . JAROPTN:

20 Q. Mr . Trepp, do you recognize Exhibit A? 06:0

21 A. Yes .

22 Q. What is it?

23 A. It's the people that own the eTreppid

t

24 Technologâes, cLc .





e

) ' w' J 2 5 5

1 Q. ls this a true and correct copy of the

2 Exhibit A Lo the Amended and Restated Operating

3 Agreem ent as updaled as of March 1st, 2003?

4 A . Ye s .

5 MR . JAKOPIN : 1'd like to o ffer Zxhibit A 06:00

6 into evidence .

7 THE CLLRK : T hat 's Exhibit 7.

8 MR. JAKOPIN: I'm sorry, Exhibit 7 .

9 MR . FLYNN: Your Honor, m ay 1 h ave a

10 moment? n6:o

11 THE COURT : Yes.

12 (Discussion off the record.)

t 13 MR. FLYNN: We're goinq to object, your

14 Hono r.

15 MR . PEEK : I 'm sorry? n6:0

16 MR. FLYNN: Webre going to object, your

17 Hono r .

18 THE COURT: On the grounds?

19 MR . FLYNN: Mr . Montgom ery was a partner;

20 fifty-fifty to start with. 06:

21 Over his request, he was never given

22 aecess to any books and records, if there are any

23 books and records. There were never any corporate

t

& 24 meetings , there were never corporate protocols





A w

2 5 6

y-, ..j (.

..

/

1 complied with .

y us zsoppjs2 A11 of the records were n .

3 back pocket. Mr . Montgomery was qiven and shown

4 virtually noth jng among thû corporate record .

5 So to substantiate what is: in effect, a n6:o

6 compilation , we would need ho look at the underlying

7 docum ents .

8 So it may become icrelevant, but at this

9 juncture, I bave to objech beeause we believe it's

10 basically a compilation from underlying documents 06:0

11 which we believe are not going to be kept ln

12 accordance with normal and standard accounting

f 13 practices.

14 M R. JAKOPIN : Your Honor --

15 THE COURT: Well, 1 think that's an 06:

16 objection that we nïight have to deal with down the

17 road but for the purpose of this hearing , I 'm going

18 to admit Kxhib it 7 .

19 MR . JAKOPIH: Thank you .

20 (Exhibit 7 was admitted into evidence.) 06

21 BY MR. JAKOPIN ;

22 Q. As of March 3rd -- as of March 1st, 2003, '

23 is this a true and correct list of a11 the various

t

24 investor s in Intrepid Technologies, LLC?

LIZA CHAPELI r CCR, RMR ( 77 5 ) 32 3- 54 92




2 5 7

...,' ) . v k

.

.

..-

.

z

1 A. Yes, it. is.

2 Q. Are there any additional investors in

3 eTreppid since that Lime?

4 A . No .

5 MR . JA KO l?IN : Okay . Thank you . 06:02

6 That 's al1 1 have with respect to

7 Exhibit 7.

8 THE COURT : Welz, I haven 't seen the court

9 reporter .

10 (DiscussLon off the record .) 06:0

11 MR . JAKOPIN : We bre at three o 'cloc ky your

12 Honor. You said that we needed to --

13 THE COURT: Well, a11 I -- ordinarilye I

14 wouldn 't --

15 This doesn 't need to be on the record . o6ro


17 THE COURT : Al1 right. Is this a good

18 tim e?

19 MR . JAKOPIN : This is fine .

20 THE COURT: Let îs take -- we ïll take -- 06:0

21 let 's give her enough time, give you guys enough

22 time; we 'll take until 25 after.

23 Make it 20 after.

( 24 MR. PEEK: Thank you, your Honor.

L I ZA CHAPEN , CCR # RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 32 3- 5 4 9 2




. -. .

.

) ,xh.x,yet ;? éii t)

1

.

1 M R . F'L Y hl 11 : T h a n k yo u , yo u r H o n o r .

2 T 14 E C O U R T : A 1 1 r i g h t . W e ' 1 l b e i. n r e c e s s

3 u n t i. l t h e n .

4 ( Re (;e s :5 t a ke rï . )

5 ( Enrl o f Vo lume f . )

6

7

8

9

10

11

12

t

13

14

15

16

17

18

19

20

21

22

23

1,

t

2 4

'

.

L I ZA C HAP EN r CCR r RMR ( 7 7 5 ) 3 2 3 - 5 4 9 2




? ..,. 'j ).- . 2 5 9

1 STATE OF NEVADA )

) ss.

' 2 COUNTY O F' WAS I4C) E )

3

4 I , L I Z A C fl A P i' N , O f f i c i a 1 R e p o r t e r o f t h e S e c o rt d

5 Jud i c i a 1 D i s t r i c: t C o u r t o f t he S t a t e o f N e va da r i n

6 a nd f o r t h e C ou n t y o f Wa s ho e , do h e r eb y c e r t i f y :

7 Tha t a f5 :u uch repo r t e r , 1 wa s p re s en t i n

8 Depa r tme n t N o . 9 () f t h e abov e c o u r t o n s a i d da t e ,

9 t ime and h ou r , and I then and the r e t oo k ve rbat im

10 s t e n o t y p e n o t. e s o f t h e p r o c e e d i n g s h a d a n d t e s t i mo n y

l 1 g .i. ve n t h e z e i n .

12 T h a t. t 11 e f o re go i ng t r a n s c r ip t i s a f u l l ,

( 13 true and correct transcription of my said stenotype

14 notes, so taken as aforesaid . That the foregoing

15 transcript. was taken down unde r my direct ion and

16 control, and to the best of my knowledge, skill and

17 ability .

2)5$-8 DATED: At Reno

,

Nevada , thîs day of

19 , 2006.

20

21 < -

LIZ CHAPEN , NV CCR #93

22

23

t 24





. .

1

1 .,.

.

) f )

.

# 174611 . 3'7 21stIsI . 33'221 5,Q00(zI - 66:2, A

'' 19211) . 3:z 34 15, 34:17, 34:21. 66:10

#2o6s (1I

J :24 1982 (1 I- 20516 34.23, :5ti.z, 216,2. sp (3I .. 96:6.238.1 8, abbreviated (1T -

#931:21 - 1:24, 259.21 1985 (1 - 184:18 2115.10 239:14 30:21

1990 l1, - 175:5 222 I11 - 3:12 50,000(21 - 60:19. ability (s1 - 19:6,

1994 I1j - 175:5 223111 - 3:1 3 61:9 217:4 236:24 ' .

1997 I2I - 175: 19, 224 (11 - 2: 17 500 t2l - 66:8, 66.9 243:1 9, 259:17

$300 t)00(21 - 228:4 225111 - 2:14 53(11 . 3:4 ablelzs - 8:20 10:4

250:23 251 .2 1998 IsI - 166: 1 1 . 226 t1l - 3: 14 5441 (1I - 2:6 15:9, 19:3. 19:4 20:4,

228: 1 5, ?31 : 1 1 I 22nd pl - 34:19I 29:12, 51 : 1 1 , 63: 1 3,

, 235:1 0, 239:7 35'7 6 1 26: 1 7,1 48:9

1999 (1l - 246:1 23 I1I - 246:12 189:1 1, 189:24.

'0z (aI - 15:13, 15:16. 19th(1) - 14:9 230 I11 - 4:4 6 IBJ - 4:8, 253:4, 204:20, 217:22,

126:a 1:30 Ial - 137:7, 23541) - 4:4 253.6 253.8 253:1 7 219:4, 221 :3 221:7

'96 I1J - 228:3 1 'F1 :19, 1 72: 1 238 It1 - 4: 5 253:1 8 253:21 , 254.8 22 1 :21 I222:7

-99 (,1 - 2s:2 , 1a4(,I . 2:17 24011) - 4:5 6.s(a) - 237:12, 22?:15.237:9

252:21 lsttsl . 1B0:2, 245111 - 4:6 246:131248:13 243:22, 244:3, 244:4

'it' I$1 - 169:18 231:18. 247:23, 24T(z) - 4:6, 4 -1 65(,, - 225:16 absentlzl - 7:22,

2s5:3. 256:22 24zs (1I - 2:9 6tu (1l - s2::$ 25:2

248 (1I - 4:7 absolutely 1I -

14:2:$ 2sp) - 248:15, v

257:22 ' Absolutelylsl -

1 1,41 - 1 :1s 4:3 '

2 (9I - 4:4, 229:9, 253 :1 - 4.8 7I1a) - 1:21

,

4:9, 5 1, 20:11. 134:2, 238:9.9

:22, 70:1, 121:s.

229:19 230:2. i 254131 - 4:8. 4:9, 172:1 253:5 254:9 24023, 247:4, 249:721:6

.

122:19 , , , ,

232:18 234:10 68 15 254:1 2 254:15 Qbstentiort I11 -56

:13. 164:2, , . , ,

164:10 229:9 2M :19. 234:24. 256(1) - 4:9 255:7 255:8 256.18, 129:1Z

. , . ,

atjstractnl - jzzrs29

:17. 240:1 1 246:1 235:22 28thp1 - 231:10. 256:20, 257:7

'

2 zp1 . 230:12. 239.7 x (1) - 4:3 acceptlzl - 5:18. 9:1

.

2.4 I1I - 240:10 .

1 z(1I - z3:1z 232:23, 234:2 2nd I2) - 39 5 39:6 7ttt(2I - 50:11

,

50:17 aEress (521- 17:5

.

' 1 at,) - 3a:17 20 (6l - 1:15, 59:22, 20:5, 20:6, 20:71

l 10(21 - 59222 60:14 60:14, 157:16. 227:8, 20:10, 20:17s 30:14,

3 857

:23 30:23, 31:1. 31:2.c0

(1I - 17::23

2(3Q I3, - 32:22, :$ Il;, - 4rs

,

2:$8.22, ôtj a . 1 1::24, 31 :5. 31:7, 31 :9,(9

:(3a111 - 6:1 1

109:16 13512 2:$3.::$ 2:$9:2 1 16:1 1 220:./ 31:13, 32:15, 33:6,

.

10:3Qt11 - 6:1 1 . . , ,

2:00 IJ1 - 37:18. 239

.

23 240:4 8(m(q . 5./:1:$ 60:5, 60:24, 66:20,

10th (1sI - 43:21 .

108:23 176:4 z..d a - z5:j(5 gzjsj

1.;8:z:5

6Z:3. 67:16. 67:23

46:1. 46:22, 46:23 . , '

2001 f6?J - 57:17, 74 14 150J1 1 dgst)j (jj

arj,j

07:231 9Z:3, 98:21 ,

47:1, 4821 7,5::15. .

84:2 84'9 145:9, 30pj - 7:19

.

1 10:4, a:sj 1 (jj - z:s 101:8, 101:11,

51:1, 54:13.83:21, , '

145:1 6 165:7, j 1 4.j :$ 1 j4:1 s a:()() a

4a:zj j

104:1 7, 106:15,

110:12, 144:20 , . .

176:17, 231:181 1 jsr6 j21 :2 122:ja

,

48.24

111 :22, 112:3, 112:81

153:189 153:20, 216:3 . .

247:23 21 z: 1 1 217:12 atjh (a)

4:$r:$, s()( 1 2,

113:10, 1 13:171

1$ (1I - 1 18:3 .

2:02 I$a1 - 14:9. z.l Ijj . zzs:ls sljila 113:19, 116:1

1.1 :()n (a - 34:22 '

14:14 28:15. 49:17. ad p) .z4rz 119:14, 120:18,

108:3 ,

49:23 57:1 8 84:11 aru a)

:s :14 s2::$

151i14, 1 52:16

11th a - 51 :1 9 ' ' ' I . , '

84:14, 85:12. 86:5. 256

.

22

9 160:1, 165:11,

144:21, 153:19

145:16 165:8, 178:1 166:18, 189:24,

12(a) - 47:24, so:2. , : (a - j )j2

,

2s9:a jrmiz jatlr:s jrsrs

2:03 It.I - 85:1 3, ' ' '39:21 4 gII (,j . j&j

:1 z1():1 5 zl .L7

85:15, 252:21, 255:3, ' .20 I1l

21 5:1 3 alol)z Ijj - 2:1 a ,:242,:4 zssap

256:22 '2th z

slIl 9. 4 a - 4:s

.

6s:2,66:9. :4:$:4..1,14 (jj . z:: accmssed p)

:$z:1c0414 lc

l - 1:5:3,:1(j z

zjsrzz z45:z:$ a:(o a .4arzj

v

accommodatep) -80:3

,

252:23 ' '3

(21 - 50:2 50:18 247::, 247:13, 247:19 48:24 jzj:jj

2:05 ru - 33:22,zzlll

3:4 40(z) - 9s:6, 219:18 9:(j.j (jj .s:j accordancepl

-32:22. 253:14(t1

219:24 4:,000111 - 59:23 9t

11 pj - 42:19, ztsrjz006 Isl

-

1 :21 , 5:1 fst) Iq

109:18, 42 i2 - 9:4. 927 42:21 4:$:2 46:1 5

j according (2) -57:21

,

1 72:1 , 259: 19 ' '10:8

,

11(t1Q, 46:21 48:21 49:j

,

l:s:jtl z:$.g.; $)03 I1I

3:10 ' * . 10

:16, 1 1ct21 , z()j :z:$ accountel

31 :1z,1 I1) - 3:3

1 16:12 31 :19

,

32:13. 32:1712 t11

3:1 1

,

.

1s4 (jI - 3:s s (5j - 4:7

,

a4./:20, accounting I11 -

'

16 21 - 47:22 48:3 214 I1I - 3:1 1

,

j

;?,j.2.:2j , 24,:6, 24a:j() ztz:jz

.

izlgjlj .a:ja





2

( ) h

accurate 141 - s0:4. affidakittn - 224:5. aisle III - 20:1 5 Anomalytsl - 187.22 Arlingtonltl - 2:14

108:20 1 10:6 155. 14 224.8 2?4:18 225 8, alarm (9l - 49:3, Answertll - 53:2 arranged (3I - 38.15.

act I11 - 1 47: 1 6 225: 1 6. 253:3 253 2 1 49 7 49. 12 49' 16 answerfîzj - 55' 1 6. 151 '20, 1 51 :2 1

Activell l - 1 0Z:7 affidakrit.s (31 - 18: 1 7 49 2 1 50.4.50 5 67:7, 67' 1 0 67:12, articulated I1l -

actively I$J - 9:9 225.12, 253:1 5 50: 14. 83'17 73L 14. 93:10, 105'6. 19: 17

activities (a - afford (1I - 252:1 (; Alarmill - 50:2 127:15. 144:3 217.6 aspecta (11 - 221 :2

230:22 247:6 aforesafd (11 - Algot-ithrrltll - 1 96.7 236:16, 242:18 assembly If, -

actual I1eI - 27:10 259:14 algorithm Ij41 - answered (3) - 178:15

28:9 33'3 48:9 57: 1 afterwards I1J - 1 82 7. 1 82 9 1 83 5. 80: 1 9, 127:6 127: 14 assessing (1 1 -

s7:4 ss:21 s1:2 s2:2() la3 1o, 1a4.19, answeringlli - 41:13

6J: 1 ?' 67:21 66: 1 3 agencies (fl - 1 14 6 1 96 3, 1 X 24 1 96'51 236:20 assetsfal - 223291

68: 19 1 19:19, 13925, agency (zI - 97:22, 195 9. 19Z:12, anyway I31 - 10: 18. 223:1 2

163:1T, 196:5. 102:8, 104:15, 19F:13, 193: 12, 38:9, 91:4 assign I11 - 244:1

196:10 222:9 106:1 3 1 27.3 200:17. 207: 12 Apclll - 2:1 2 assigned (3) -

Adaptiveltq - 94:51 127:21, 225:3 algorithms I2) - apologize I2) - 149:12, 149:13,

141:19, 145:91 agenc/s t1I - 106:4 193:13 1 93 4 233:1 5, 247:1 2 149:22

145:1/ 145:1 8 ago (q - 19.17 allow llt) - 6:24, appear a - 6:13 assignmentlll -

146:7,165: 1 9, 165:20 161 :24 1 89:1 3 9: 1 1 , 24: 10. 36:8, 65:21 , 235: 1Z 232:5

Adaptivespl - 195:10 21812 250'5 80J 16 91:5, 93:4. appeacanoes I1J - assistanceship $J -

146:1 1 agree (z) - 1 2:1 1, 148:24. 21 2 1 I 5:9 176:5

add (al - 31:1 1 16:9 55:1 55.6 214:24 241 .7 application (18) - associated I11 -

59) 1 21 149: 1 8 230: 1 , : 42:8 allowed IB1 - 8: 1 6. 6:3, 6.21 , 7:5, 7: 1 6. 179:20

added I2) - 50J 1 6 agreeable I1p - 1 1 92T 9:9, 67 :6. 105: 1 7:20 8: 1 3 1 38:22 association j1) -

159:18 agreed (1I - 236:22 172:13, 172: 18, 138:23, 139:1 1, 8:14

addition (3I - 1 9:1 5, agreement (1 lj - 200:1 5 139:1 5 139:18 assume (4 - 1 1:3

123:21 , 249: 1 0 164:1 1 1 68: 14 allowing I l - 91 . 1 3 1 39220, 1 39:22, 95:4 126:22, 1 26:23

additional Iz) - 59:6, 234:20 237:19 allows l1l - 1 51t 1 3 147:14 187:4 assum ing I11 - 221:4

60:151257:2 239:17. 240:6 almost (: . 38:81 191 :19s 192:1 assumption I1I -

additions 11 l - 73: 1 9 241 :1 1 242:24 1 31 :14 1 8$: 1 8 applications i8I - 120 1 2

?' address (sJ - 1 1 :231 246:17,247:1 249:4 191 :24, 207:12 139:4 139:24 140:3, Atd(4) - 49:4 50:2

'

.

.

13:1 1 16:24 19:13 Agreementpq - 223:6, 251 .8 251 .9 140:5 140:17 s0:8 s0: 1 5

1 25:2, 1 29. 1 7 12:23 l 4:51 164:5 alone (3I - 14: 1 8, 141 : 1 5, 142:411 91 :22 attached (61 - 33:16.

Addresslll - 70:21 164:9, 1 64: 115 90: 1 5. 140: 1 0 appreoiate I4l - 13:4. 38: 1 8 40: 1 2 231 :23

addresses I11 - 228:19 228:24 alter (21 - 1 83:4 13:17, 131:22 1 84:14 233:1 1 233:15

224:6 229'2. 230:5 230'21 altered (2) - 221:20 approach (1 - 174:8 attack t1j - 65:12

administrative l I - 231 :4 ?31 :7,232' 15 Altolll - 2:9 appropriate E41 - attempted I21 -

1 37: 1 5 234: 1 9 I239:3 Amended Iq - 231 :4I 1 8:5, 45:1 0 228: 10, 1 ()6:1 5 :24: 1 3

administratorlq - 245:24. 246:6 245:24 246:6, 237:1 atternpting (1) -

31:17, 22:1 1. 32:13, 247:22. 254:10 255:3 247:22 254:101 255:2 approval In - 6:BI 216:8

32:17 149:19 Agreementslzl - amended I21 - 7:6 7:1 3, 7:22 8:17, attend (11 - 24:9

admission I61 - 6:3. 23371 4, 249:9 231 : 1 7 232:4 9:7 2 1 :1 5 auention (41 - 37:21

6: 1 2, T:6, 7: 17. 7:23 agrethments I31 - Amitill - 68:7 appeov'e I21 - 8. 1 , 237:20 246:21 ,

1 1 :22 77:9, 228:17. 249.22 Amits (1j - 88:8 19:23 24::23

admitpl - 253:9 allead (31) - 14:2 amountl-q - 215214 approved (2I - 6:3, Attomeypl - 130:22

253:17, 256:1 8 16:10. 21:221 25:7, 215.17 218:6 206221 Attome#s (1 - 1 27:1

adm itted i13j - 36:91 36:1 9.46:1 21 21 8:1 4. 2 1 9:41 arbitl-rily I11 - 204:6 attorneys (11 - 20:5

235:21 , 235:22 52:24, 55: 1 6 68: 1 2, 244:17 252.9 area 119) - 33: 1 5, audio (161 - 99:4,

240:41 247:9, 247:181 /9:23, 81:8, 93:f 4, amounts 1I - 72:5 48:21 51:16, 72:46, 99:6 % :j()

,

9tkj4,

107:18 108:15 analysislzl - 2œ :9, 74:8 75:5 75:18 99:16 99

:21 100:747:19

.

248:9, . , . , ,

248:10, 253:4, 254:1, 1 17:16, 130:8. 131 27, 221 rl7 75:22. 75:23, 101:15, 100213 141 :22

,

254:7 254:8 256:20 137:8, 145:22 160:7 analyzep - 181:9, 11 1:Z 121:4 122:20, j48:17' 148

:18

163:4 177:19 1&2:z 182 5 16926, f 84:2 205:22 ï48:jg' j49

:1

'

Admittedrzl - 4:2. . , , ,

240:3 196:19, 199:41 AndersontN .45:17, 206:20 1zc:1 8 2% :17, 237:6

d ittedly : - 207:21 214:2 215:4 49:10 -J6:j 1 9a:2 areas (11 - 51:15 Audio'

(aj . 99:24,m , ' .

1zo: 2 236:14, 241:20, 253:9 animal (1) - 177:1 1 argument (21 - 148:23

,

149:4

admitting 1l - 254:2 aid f2l - 241:10, anomaly pl - 10:f 7. 19:2 Augusql) - >:13

ado (1l - 19:5 253:112 12a:1 3 1 2::22 argumentative (11 - authority (rI - 16:14

,

-

advksarll - 176:21 Airz - 68:18. 224:5. 154:7 jazrzll 187:5

,

55:1 1 1f):x z4:2j

,

1:$0:6,

( affairspl- 237:21, 224:1:k1 22571, 225:2, 187:15. 18z:z(), arguments I1j - j:$1:2, 1:$($:6, 136:14

246:22.248:24 225:a, 2.53:24 J6)s:13 ï:s:J6 ,6::f 7 autol,l - frnczf

LIZA CHAPEN/ CCR; RMR (775) 323-5492




3

t -. ) Iv I

autom atic (1 l - Bartl 5) - 6.3. 6. 5 248'5

.

259. 16 box (8I - 33: 1 6, 179:8, 1 9 1 : 1

1 77'20 6:61 6:7, 6:2 1 , 7:4. better Iq - 23' 1 8. 38: 18 40:9 40: 1 9 burden (2l - 1 35222,' , .

automaticallg (21 - 7. 5, 7:1 (). 7: 1 7, 7220, 69 1 6 1 42: 1 7, 41 :6. 135:4, 1 55: 1 9 1 35:24

1 35: 10, 224:1 2 7:23, 7:: 4 9:2. 9:3. 143: 1 1 228:8. 245' 1 break (z1 - 1071 13

,

Bush I11 - 17.8

auxiliary (3l - 60: 1 1 1 05 1 1 between (201 - 1 2.22. 1 1 428 1 59:23 business 1271 - 86:4,

available (41 - Bal's (' I - 7:8 14'4 47' 2 48:2 1 1 83: 1 1 1 84:5 2 1 0:9 8;: 1 5 99: 10

s

162:1 5

215:231 218:4, Barjinflerlzl - 49:14. 48 24I 57.24. 77.10. 233:15 156:) 1 2% 2,

224717. 225:17 75:7 91 .9 130:14f 1 33:3, breakdown (1I - 86:6 230:23 233:2,

Aventlelll - 2: 14 base I:I - 243:6 140.22 162. 14I Brendayl - 1:13 235:10 236:23

average (1I - 102:22 based (111 - 6:16, 164:5 177.101 78:3 78:12 239:4 237:22 238:6, 238:7,

avoid (1I - 184:14 27:22, 104:81120: 1 6. 178:1 1, 1792 ï'216.2 Brianlll - 26:2 238:8

,

245:9, 245:1 1,

aware (z4l - 54.20. 178:21, 1 93:9. 234:21 , 239 3.240 17 briefings 21 - 1 7:7

.

246:231 249:1 , 250:31

78:21 79:3 81:2, 193:13, 199:13, beyondlzl - Z:191 17:8 251:13

,

25225, 252:81

106:1 2 1 14:5 199:14, 209:8. 235:3 160:2 briefly p - 24:1 252:1 0, 252:13,

141 :1 1 , 141 :14, Basedtll - 82:8 big (91 - 47:16, 54: 1 , 25:12 26:5 252:161252:1 9

141 :1 8 14225 basic I3J - 71 :22, 54 4 54.9 1 53:221 briefs (11 - 168:17 Businesslq -

143:1 3, 143:15, 151 :5 154:2, 181:2. 1 97: 18 Brighamtll - 205:6 230:13

.

234:4.

143:23 144:4 144561 basis 1201 - 6:23. biltion I11 - 215:8 bring (s) - 113:23 235524. 237:21,

144:9, 159:4, 164:8, 33:21, 34:10, 85:6

,

billionslll - 221:15 161:19 2n1:11 246222, 248:23

1 88:6, 1 39: 1 0. 1 1 3:4. 1 28:3, 1 30:9. bin (11 - 51 : 16 220:20 228: 1 1 bus; (11 - Z1 :4

190:1 71 200:24, 1 32:1 1 3223 1 34:21 binaries a - 1 46'8. bringing a - 41 5 btztton (11 - 22:23

21 6:24, 222:21 143:2. 1 43:18, 146: 1 2

,

1 45: 1 5 41 :7 byte (11 - 221 : 13

awareness I11 - 164:21 168:15 binary (4I - 146:1 3 broad t4I - 21 :3

,

bytes I5l - 21527.

103:18 230:17, 237:2, 146::8

.

14621 9, 147:7 21 :4 207:3 215:8, 21 5:9. 221:15

aw fu (1I - 251: 1 2 244: 1 0 245: 1 2 Binaryl:l - 1 46: 14 brought g/I

26:101

245: 1 3. 250: 17 Birminghamtl) - 1 ()6: 1 3 1 12:21 C

s batter (1I - 23: 1 7 2: 1 7 1 29:23 144:21

Bauderpl - 40:41 bit 11 81 - 1 0: 19

, 1 55: 1 94 21 0: 16 cabinet I11 - 72:8

eachelol's 1I - 45: 1 i$I49. 1 1 23: 1 1 27:18

I

28:2, bucks I2I - 1 53:22

,

cabinets I21 - 109:6.

,

:()j5:5 Bebbititll .. 176:21 36:4 59:1 8

,

81 ;9, 1 54:2 1 1 5: 1

(

backed I5) - 29:1 5. bt'Gam @ I11 - 184: 1 7 91 :12 91 :15. 1 1 8: 14I Budapestll - 39:3 calculation I11 -

3011 7. 35:2, 35:13, becorrke IsI - 20.3, 138:151142: 16, build I3l - 143:4

,

152:10

2()0:j 1 136:23, 137:1, 213 7

1

170:1411:3:22. j96:21 197:4 californialn - 1:24

,

backgroundlzl - 256:8 181:17 181219, building (4q

28:12. 2:9. 2:181 7:4, 7:9,

23:23 36:4 81:3 becorrleslll - 183:12 204:10 30:13 31:8 32:3 z:18 206:6

I e 1 .

l l

204:16, x s:4, 225:20 bits (4I - 42:2, 34:8 41:23 43:15 camera (jI

48:4

2% :24,227:9 beefeclI1l - 65:1 3 1 01 :22, 103:20, 21 6:9 432 1 6 45: 1 6 46:5 cameras IaI

45724.

backing z - 28:21 , beg (1l - 215: 16 Bitstll - 102:19 47: 18 47:23 49: 12 47:20 47:22

,

48:1 ,

29:22. 30:1, 33:12, began I51 - 25:20

,

btack I1l - 244:6 49: 18 50:11 50:14 48:2 48:6

,

1 14:23.

37:9, 38:21 . 210:8 25:7, 26 17 65:6 blackboard (2) - K :19 71 :3 71 :5 2% :7

backup 1:2) - 29: 1 , 65:21 63: 1 3, 63:20 71 :8

,

72: 1 1 75:2, cannot jltl - 9: 1 1

,

29:8, 32:9, 32:21 . Beginllinglll - 85: 1 5 blank 2I - 1 1 7: 1 31 75:24 83:17 84: 1 2 9: j 2 20:5

,

133:24,

32:24, 40: 1 1, 4 1 :4I beginning (s1 - 29:41 145: 5 &4: 13, 84: 1 8, 84:21 1 34:2 1 36:5 1 81 :4

41:5, 119:51 143:15, 30:2, 38 3, 43:1 . block I11 - 90:7 842221 95:2, 98:161 190:2 190:4 202:4

200114 54:151 91 :8. 93:23, blocks rzl - 196:23. 99:1, 1 02:15. 103:21

capabilities (1I -

backu )s 1zI - 29:12. 143:1 9 223:5 1 10:14, 1 1 1:12, 83:1

33:20, 38:1 1, 38:13, behalf I3l - 5:12, body IjI - 234:16 1 12:1 1 , 1 16:22. capability (, - 64:21

39:1 . 119:6. 149:24 6:14, 23.5:5 books t4I - T7:6

,

124:1 1 . 124:151 capacity (2I - 33:1

,

bailifftn - 24:6 belong a - 1 14:31 81 :161 255:22, 255223 143:21, 146:24, :$3:10

Bailifhsl - 22:23, 1 14:7, 1 14:9 bom (1j - 201:23 156:2, 156:3, 156:Z, capital jjlj . 228:10

,

23:3, 23:6. 23:1 3. belonging (1I - 156:9 boss (n - 176:19

,

157:10, 196:22 2:$6:24 237:8

lza,z s-,-- .-,-zz,za, ,ac,1s

.

lac.zo, 21s,1:' asz.z, zu ,lr

,

Bal(2l - 49:14. 7s:7 zsrla 182:24 193:22. buildingslll - 70:19 246:22 248:24

Bafspl - zs:14 bench (t1 - 1z4:8 19a:21 builds pl - 149:9 2sj:j5

,

2s2:7, 252:8,

bankm - 1 14:12. benefit I1I - 167:9 bottom I4) - 1 18:4, built I2I - 33:14, 252:12

ll4Lzo, 114:z2. Berkelzytl - 23:24 13()::s, 132:18, 207:1 1 capitala - '7-f':2

4,

11s:1s. 155:19. besttlpl - 109:4, 203:18 bulklll - 152:6 z8rll 2:$4:21

156:3, 161:1s 109:23 Is1:4 210:6 boughttl, - 108:21 bunchz - zI4:13, caqsl - Jzz:z4

'

banks f;?1 - 1 14:16, 224:14, :435:19

,

bound (11 - 9:10 151:22, 151:23, card (J; .. 59:1 7

1 14:19 239:18, ,240:9. 246:8 Boxlll - 161:16 157215, 178:22, cardiffll) - 2:18





.

4

( ...- j J '-

$

cards 11 1 - 25: 1 9 16:Zï . 1 9.Z 126: 1 't ciscoyl - 65 14. 1 8: 1 1 , 1 36:4, 21 9: 16 1462 14 146'20

care (:$1 - 81 .21 , 1 62:1 1 . 1 74.6, 237.81 70. 1 2 98:3 223 3 clients i$l - 1 40:9 147:9, 147. 1 0,

81 224.233:23 237'24. 238.3 243 7 citation I2I - 1 36 5, clone (21 - 73:8. 1 47: 1 3, 1 47. 1 7

career (,I - 210.23 244:8, :.45:8, 245.9 1 36: 14 198: 10 149:51 149:7 1 50:9

case 13q - 13: 13 Certainlylll - 229 4 cites (1) - 1 27. 1 1 cloned f11 - 1 98 E$ 1 50: 1 4, 1 50:21

1 3: 1 8. 14:7. 16: 1 3, Certificatea - 6 5, citizen I11 - 193. 1 cïose (2) - 1 62' 1 4, 1 51 :2I 1 51 (9, 1 52: 1 6,

16. 1 7. 21 :21 . 24: 18, 7:7. 7: 1 1 citytl) - 22.1 0 162: 1 5 1 52:21 I 1 52:22,

75: 1 5,81 :Z, 91 ï7, certifi cates (1I - clarified (11 - 1 53. 1 9 ctuster (21 - T2.3 154: 1 1. 165:20

1 1 7: 1 1 I 1 26: 1 3 1 4 1 : 1 0 clarify (1 1- 90:23 72: 1 0 169:22, 1 70: 1 1 I

127:22, 128:2, certifi ed I2) - 1 06 9. clarity (1 I - 1 38 2 1 co (3I - 5:16s 80: 13, 1 70L 1 2, 1 78: 1 7.

1 29: 12I 1 29: 13, 1 07:8 classes t1) - 2272 1 1 239:5 1 Z8: 1 81 1 78:1 9

1 31 : 13I 1 402 1 2 certih' 11 I - 259:6 classification (4) - Go-counsel I2 * 1 715'2 1 1 78.22

205:151 210516 chalk (1) - 69:9 16:16 125:4

,

176.24, 5:16, 80:13 178:241 179:1 1Z9:3,

21 02 1 9 2 1 3:23 chalkboard i11 - 1 67:24 co-trustees t1) - 1 Z9:6, 1 79:8 1 79: 10

21 7:20. 21 8:2, 2 1 8:51 69r 13 classitied 1441 - 1 2:9

,

23925 179: 15, 1 79: 1 E5I

221 :2.237: 17 249.1 9 chambers (41 - 1 4:5 j 5: 1 7 1 6: 1 5 code 12x1 - 20: 1 8 1 82. 1 3, 1 83:2 1 83:6

' x , '

' '

Gases (s) - 173: 1 0 14: 19 1 5:20 1 34' 7 27:20 21 24 28:1 27:8 272 1 2 27: 1 7 1 835 1 81 1 83:2 1

. I , ,

, . , , , , .

,

206:4. 206:1 1 I 222:4. 134: 1 9 28:3 44: 1 8 473 1 3

,

27:24. 28:z, 28: 1 1 1 85:4, 1 85:7 1 85: 1 1 I

I , ,

'

222'6 chancell) - 233:20 71:14 82:24

.

83:3, 28:13, 29:19 29:15, 186:5, 186:8, 186:11,

categorieslsl - cuanoelwl - alrzo aa:1()' aa

r2() 97:12 29:19 a9:22. aa:l 186:14 186:18

180:14 108:13 149:18 97:13 102:2

,

102:3, 30:4, 30:23, 32:41 1tVt1Z, 188:4 188:7,

cateaoryia - 16a:1 1 102:4 :()2:s. 1c2:z. a2:19. 3z:1a, a4:1 188:1ô.1sa:23,

180:15. 180:17 chanrred (1) - 159:11 102

.

8 102:101 103.9, 37:201 41 :24, 43:6 189: 1 ' 189:1 1,

caution 1) - 249:1 5 chanrjes I1I - 49: 19 103:1 1 106:9 1 25:4 47:1 1 . 49:24, 53:5 1 B9:141 189:191

ccq21 - 1:24 259:21 chaos z - 44:11

.

126:19.128'17. 54:19, 54:22, 54:23 189:24. 190:9,

cdtw,- s',:s, .z:1 1z9:1

.

1zg.,, 12a 4, ssia, ss:s. ss:ls, 190:12, 19o:1s

145:10, 163:17, chapllnp) - 1:24, 133.101140:19, 56:21, 58:10158:20 192:1, 193:12.

164:2. 164:1n, 2:9:4 ; ts:21 J4o:22, l4lJs, d4lfi;, sô:21- ss:24, s9:14, 195:1n, 196.s,

1s4:13 164:15 claakert'l - 22s ls 14::a, 141:12, lsz:l4 s9::s, s9:1z. s9:19 196:12, 197:4 197:8

.

.

'

154:18. 164:20. charaaterizationtll ctausetsl- 241:22, 59:20, 59:24. 60:3. ' 197:10

1

197:11.

1ss:2,16s:4, 16s::o, .sa:z:$ z41:2:$,242:14, 6a:4. 60:6, f50:1u. 197:12, 197:1s,

165:13 165:16 haraaterizela - 246:16 248.21 60.22 69:24 61:2 197:20 198.4

1 : G j : y . ' '

1s5:19. 167:1 1, se:19 (;s:j(; clean Iaq - 40:1

61 .3, 61:13, 61:16 198:10, 198:12

:7(':-/-, 240:11, charae.

z<,z:$, sl,a4,a2:2, ltp:lo t;1.1z. 62:s, 62:a. 198:20.19.5:2,,

240113, 240:14 zsrj 8:;Jj(; ajgrjs

,

clean-upltl- 4021 62:15, 52:18, 62220, 204:16, 205:1 11

cdst,s,- l4:,,le 22:$:.0 '

c,eanedr,,--ta,la s:$,2. isa,6, io,.. 2('z:24, 2na,'

1.3:19. 1-'*'1n. oha. z;

2a9,9, clearo -las.za. sz,pz, sz,21..?a,,o 2os'24' 2c9,1, ze9,4,

l.4,ls ,4.,24 ,s,,z 2,a., zx rzl zs.c, ,a,,z,,s,a4, ' 2na,9

,

2Jo,z,c11,11,

, .

z2a,ls , ,

'4s,'4, '-o,ls, hecàgrl

-

xs,zz cleasancepel- 91,9, 91,1c,92.a z1*,z,21.,10,

G I '

14s's' 'ss''t)' 4s,2:$ ..1s,s 11a9 1z,14 20,,z . ,1a

,

9:''1a. 9:$:22,9.,3 214:12,214',.,

155:15. 161:3. 145:1 .;5.:24

,

z ()2j ':2j, 8.1:20. 8g:g, 100:12, :04:5, 215:15, 215:18,

lt'f:lz lsagz . ,

z,,, ,:2 rz sz:z, loz,ea, 11.,,1, 2:s:2a 217:1 2,.:s

. . cl.lecldedf,l - sorl. . - -

ls3:la lss:ls . ' ' ' - 1:s:1a 11a:1() 2:z:1(), 21-/:11

.

ô9:1s, ..10:11 s2:23.sa:2 :3.s, , ' .

C6RtiM:2l- 111ê6, 1j():15 118:11 83

:16, 113:5

,

153:8, 119:2. 119:81 128:10 218:6. 218:12.

, ,

,

zjarjzl zalljz11:12 121

:2:$ 124:3. 19a:,. 'sa,ll, ,92.22, 128:20, 128:24, ' '

centca z -cxa:,z, 19a::, -

:,(m,,:$. 2,9,,a 21a,2a 1an:4. 1:,1.9, ,:,2:a. 220:1:$, zanrbs,

249:19 h 'k

ingllj - 167:6 clearancest-c- 132:15, 132:19, 221:1, 222:22,

() ec

ceq''-22'''2 c',icagotdl

,za,1 2s:24, :v,1, s1,12. 1:$:$:., ::$:$::0. lzs's. 222:23' 223:'2,

ceroinrzn-cz:lg, cxefdz,

-

s,,z. s2.,,, is,ds, ,02,,1, 'a7:tz. ïapzl. a2*:12

2a:s, ss,s. gzr2z z:(),z:, 212,: ,c2,,s :aa,:,. ::,a,.,, ,aa,2(), codectm -gs,s.

'

; ;

98'21, 1n4'14 1œ :., 212,1. 212,20 clearlytlI-zx .ls ,:$9.,, ,:'9,s, 1za,1:, 9s'24' '4t''.,14n''2.

't's:':'' 125:7 2z.:1s' z.6,19' a

earlyx -zxo,lr', :39:14. 'aa:'',' 141:21, 141:22,

128:12, 128:17, china'

ljj - 175:6 243:19, 244:151 139719. 14021, 141:23, 151:20

136:24, lôz:ln, 24s:.r 2sa:?, 140:13, :40:16, codecslzl - 95:19,

clw sel'l - 2s2:1z .

187:11, 188:17, clerkpj .69:9

,

140:17, 140223, 140:6

csronologyp; -

217:10, 224:9- . (srjz tsrz4 zx :22 142:12, 142:13, codedl') - J4cr7'

1s:1:$. 126:3 . . .

22::29, 23(,:1z, z4.;sa zssrz 142:21 .143:6, code.s (s:q - 2a:2,

chul,:- 121:14 .

236:1 . 236:s, 24o:1a. Ierksj

14:1 1, 143:16.145:8. 49:7, 49:17, 49:20.

.

chucailll - 121 :1a c

242:24 1.?.:24 1(ja:9

,

za:./ 145:23. 145:24, 50:7. 50:14, 50:15. ojrcujnstances i1 1

- , jz r j 6, x tztj, syL j4,

certainly (:4, - 6:201 tjent sj

j a: j (), 146:3. 1 4625, 146: 1 15

:3 t7 * 58:5

,

58: 1 5, 58: 19,





.- .. -k

,

1k

.

) )

59. 1 0 60:3 61: 12. 208:1 5 51 .23. 52'16 166:22, 166:24, 36:22

61 : 1 3 62:4 66:21 commitment I1l .. complained (21 - 1 Z6:3, 176:9 195:14. conform I11 - 108:10 , , . '

ôs:4 89:1 1 89:18, 238.1 53.4. 53 5 195.171 200:Z, confronted I1I -

90.14 91211,91:12, comrl,itteet4l - completelq - 20 10. 200:20. 200.21. 132:7

91 :19 91:24.92210, 2s0:'?. : s0:1 1, 34:1, 34,3, :4s:24, 20::22, 205:6.205.8, confused (1) - 194:4

962 1 7 96:22. 96:23, 250: 1 3,250: 14 146 3. 1 65'21 205: 16. 2052 1 9, confusing (2I -

97:13. 98:21 I 101:9, comnlon (11 - 222:24 completed (31 - 205.231 206:3, 208:2, 90:18 91 E3

101:12 1 02:22 communications (1 1 34.20, 35 2, 216. 10 208:4, 208:6. 208:8. confusion (1 1 -

102:24.1:3:23, - 2:5

.

8 completely s1 - 221:8. 221:19 236:10

104:3 105:11. companies I2I - 3t':13, 40'21, 1 18:19. Gornputers (421 - Congratulationslll -

1 05:22. 1 06.21 , 222:2 1

223:6 1 1 9.1 1 , 1 21: 1 6 Z0: 1 8, 89: 15, 90' 21 202: 1

1 06:24. 107'5, com rlanylzl - 1 :9

,

complex I11 - 63' 1 0 90: 1 5, 94:22. 98 .20, conjunction (21 -

107:21 # 1 1 5: 1 1 I 1 z6: 1 8 com pliance I1) - 98:22 I99:201 1 05:3, 1 1 7:24 244: 10

1 16:2, 116:14. company (6$1 - ez:22 106:4.106:13, connectpl - 64:6

,

116:24,119:141 18:12 26:8 26:14

,

com plied 21 - 6:111 106:16, 106:17. 16gr4

16 140:4 26:181 27

:6

'

28:22 2f$6:1 107:2. 109:11, connected (4I -19:

. ,

141:12.170:16, 29:45 29:18 45:20, componentsa - 109116, 109:18, 64:1g 113:22

1Z0: 1 7, 1 86:2.2. 47: 1 5 $7: 19

.

50:22, 1 65: 1 3 1 99.24. 1 1 0:23, 1 1 327, 1 1 4:23 22z:z

193:9. 193:13.195:1, z7:2 7::7

,

z7:21, a2tjxjz 113:10, 1 13120, connection (2I -

19s:s 1ss:8 224:12 zz.2) :2.13 87:14 compressed t11 - 114:3. 114:1 1, e4rz w:10 ?

, . i r

coding (2Q1 - 58:16, az:lz 1 26:1 1 gar:s 1 14:15, 1 1 5:41 consecutively (11 -

58: 1-/, 60:61 85:4. 164:21 180:2 190:9 compressing l11 - 1 1 5: 1 1 , 1 1 5: 1 2, z: 9: 1 4

85:20. 86:20. 87:7, 190:12 200:8

,

8'j,:4 115:15, 115:21, idera 52:22. COnS

87:21 . 87224, 88: 1 2, 200: 1 1 200: 1 4 compression 1681 - 1 1 6:2, 1 1 6.6. 1 16:24. j z.;L2g 1 (jr)::$

88:16, 88:22, 89:1, zc4:1 8 204:20

,

j 2:24 .J4: 1 a, z4:j6, 120.23, 121:2, 121 :3. ideralgy (1)

I I

GOnS

89:6) 9073, 1022 17, 209: 1 0 21 0:12

.

76: 1 7 77:3, 86:51 12 1 X, 122: 181 1 24:3, z4j :6

178212, 178:13, 210:20 212:10 :f;

.

1a 86:20, 86:22, 166:17, 211:19, 220:8 jdored (1j

8:14 . T cons

182:14, 196:10 212:15 21 2:21 8.,:2 az:a azzj2 Computerstzl - tj jj

. . . I I , constan y (

collective pl - 21 3;1 214:7 215 12 88: 1 88:13 88:16 208:31210:9

, , . ' , .

65:12

54:21 , 82:13, 145:14 21 8:3 218:9 21 8: 1 1 88:22 88:23 89:2 Goncept l21 - 177:6

I , I , I .

. consulo nt I11 -

colleotivelytll - 223: 14, 223:15, 89:s 89:14

.

90:41 ?''2318 jK i4

109:8 223:21 227:17 90:14 94:3 94

.

6 Goncern I5I - 16:23,

. , . . I consulted 11 - 99:2

collectively (:I - 228:6

1

228:21, 229:3. 94:10 94:20 95:3 126:24, 129:6,

I I s consulting (21 -

55:9, 55:19, 56:20, 230:8

.233:3 238:1 1 . 95.4 96:2 96:17

,

135:1 3, 171:17

' . .

206:1, 206:2

59:101 59:24, 60:5. 239:1 5 240:15 96:24 99:4 99:6

,

Concerned I31 -

. . , , consuming l1) -

152:21, 230:23 240:17 243:16 99:10 99:14 99:16

1

124:24,21 1 :171

, . , .

217:18

cellege (1j - 227:11 245:3 249:1 1 250:6 99:21 99:24 100

.

71 252:14

, , , , . contactldll - 1 13:3

Golorlll - 244:6 250:16 252:21 100: 1 3 130:14 Goncerrls (1l - 19:17 '

, , ,

127:24, 130:7, 1 30:21

colorization i$1 - comlhany's pl - 133'4 140:6 140'8 Gonclusion I11 -

I I , contacted lq -

243:21 10021 8,223:9 223:1 1 14629 163:1 1 164:2, 36:13

I

112:15, 1 12:j8,

coloriz.e IzI - 243:13, Compan#s ($I - 164.10 164:14 Condititms I1I - . 1 12:23

,

1 13:2, 219:6

244:5 176:16 1*4:20. 164:24, 230:20 contain pl

19:12

com bination Iq - com partmentpl - 1s5:14. 167:1 1, conducttxl - t4:ls, contained (a)

156:23, 160:101 153:14 206:1 5. 206:171 20:8.45:8, 80:8 144:23

,

1 54:17

160:12.179:1 1 , com partmentasized 206:20, 207:4,207:7, conducted I11 - containerlll

-

179:13, 179:16 (1l - 17:2 207:1 2, 228:8, 18:17 163:18

com bine (21 - oom pilation rzl - 230:1 8 236: 1 236:51 confer (2I - 10:1 . , containers s)

:3:6,

140:15, 182:17 256:6, 256:10 237.6, 240:191 10:8 83:18

.

1 13:8. 1 14:1 ,

combines t1I - com pile I4l - 37'20 242:24 243:8 conferences 11 - . 1s6:21

147:24 56:15 57:9 153:6 compressiono pe 10:6 . contains I2I - 37:5

,

coming 1121 - 25:171 com plled (7I - 27:10 pl - 74:13 76:1 7, 77:3 conferencing I11 - , j1():6

38:4, 38:9, 42:21. 28:10, 56:22 139:6, compressorlsl - 10:21 contempt (1)

43:1B, 48:5, 70:10, 139:21 , 146:21 209:2 140:1 3, 141:21 , confidenta - 136:10

70:11 . 1 12:10, compilerpl - 141:231145:18, 148:6 182:1 1, 196:8, 1 96:9 content ts1

16:1 .

1 12:12, 124:7, 202:1 7 146:23, 147:16 Computeq,) - 56:10 confidential I2I - z j 5z:z:$7:11

.

2712 ,

Gom mand (3l - compiles I3) - 147:3, computer (:151 - 24:2 18:20 21:16 , contents (9I

16:7,

39:22. 40:13. 146:24 147:5 208:24 24:4. 25: 1 51 40:14, confidentiality (31 -

91 :2:$, 92:1 ,94:17,

commands I2I - compiling pl - 52:6 56:12 63:171 14:20 18:1 19:14 , , ' 100:4

,

104:6, 1 s6::,

'

222:5, 222:9 88::0

,

146:17, 208:23 71:29.101 51 1 15:1 , confiding 1l - 24:19 1 5./rj z

,

j6s:jc

com ments (1) - complain p) - 51 :20, 148:3 160:21 configured (1J - 1 :z(), context (:q

21 ,





.

.. ..'

.

.-.....

($'

.

./

22 125, 225: 10 1 85: 1 1 , 1 8722, 1 90 1 9 1 09:1 , 1 1 I'D 1 20 2 1 81 : 1 7

,

229:6, 257:8 1 36:1 7. 136: 1 9,

continue I41 - 76:7. converts I11 - 147'6 1 23.5 1 22:2 1 259:8 1 37:2 1 38: 1 1 , ' ' '

96:12 128: 1 1 44. 1 ts convicted (aJ - 79' 8

.

1 37.1 3 1 37: 19 Courtlaagl - 1 '5

.

5:4, 1 38.1 3 142.16

Continuedlal - 3. 1 1 79: 1 5 i? (1.5 1 38 24 1 39. 1 6 5 1 9 5'21 6: 1 2 6.23 144:1 144: 1 2

21 4:4 convïtition (1 I - 8 1 : 1 1 39 21 , 146:2 1 . 7.1 8 8:5 8: 1 5 8: 1 8 146:1 3 1 51 :4

continued (1) - 26: 1 2 convitlced I11 - 14/' 1 1 1 1 47: 1 5 9'6 9: 14 9: 1 I 10:2 1 5 1 :1 3 1 51 :16

continuing (21 - 1 36: 1 7 148'4 1 55. 1 3 1 0: 12 10: 15 1 1 :4 1 52:1 5 152:19

56:1 . 2 16: 19 copietl (2l - 32223 1 60 1 8 160: 1 9 1 1 17 1 1 :20 1 1 :24 1 52:23 1 53:2 1 53:5

continuously (j1 - 37:7 161 .2I161 220. 12:2 1224 1 2:6 1 53:7 1 53: 1 0

180:19 copies llaj - 34:1 . 163.12, 177:16. 12:10 12:12 12:18 153:16 154:5

1

contractllal - ss:1 0, 34:4 34 '' 34:9 1 85 l 3 12:24 13: 14 13:19 154:10 154:15

65:18. 65:20, 66:6, 34:20 34.23 68:14 Correctional I,l - 13:23 13:24 14:2 154:22 160:5

66.14. 66:19. 68:3, 68:17, 108:10 205'8 14:14 14:22 15r1. 162:21. 162:23,

68:5. 68: 16, 68:20, 1 08. 1 1 1 42:24 Gorrelates (1) - 1 5:3 1 5:5 1 5r7 1 5:8 1 63:3 167: 1 8

82:201 82:22. 1 03: 1 1 , 1 56: 1 7 1 66:8 I64' 1 4 1 5:14, 151 19I:5:2 1 , 167:20 1 67:23

1 28: 1 1 1 32: 1 1 copy (:h1 1 - 34:4 corresponding I1) - 1 7.6, 1 7:1 2, 17: 1 7 1 68:2 1 68:5 1 69:8

154:7. 166:81 24 1 :23 34: 1 7, 1 1 7:7, 1 1 7: 1 2 15225 17:21 , 17:23, 1 8: 1 3 169:1 0, 169:1 2

contractor (1I - 26:3 1 1 8:15 1 26:2 1 5::6 corresponds il 1 - 18:20 18:22 1 9:7 1 69:23 170:1 1 70:5

contractors (1j - 158:7 159:5 159: 19 140:1 19:9 20:6 20:9 170:9 170:15

84:20 162:1 1 223: 14 corrupt (1I - 97:6 20212, 20:20, 21 :1I 170218, 1 70223,

contracts (1zI - 229:5 230:4 232:2 costlytll - 223:15 21:5, 21:8, 21:10, 171:2. 171:6 171:14

66:21, 79:16. 101:2, 232:7. 235:18, Counsellaj - 74:19

,

22:18, 23:2, 23:4, 171:17, 172:4, 172:9,

103:9$ 104:1 3, 239:16. 246:5, 248.3 79 18 106:6 1 14:17 23:1. 23:10, 23:15, 172:14, 172:19,

104:20. 1 15:8, 133:s, 255:1 138:5, 204:1 3 23:17, 23:20, 24:10 173:6 173:8 173:15

138:3, 199:18, 200:2, copyrightlll - 222.19, 238:24 24:20, 25:1. 25:6, 173:17. 173:21,

2K :3, 241:9 184:18 counsel (12, - 5:9

1

35:15, 35:19, 35:241 174:2, 174:6, 174:9,

contributelzl - cord I1I - 27:9 5:16 8.9 8:20 8

.

21 36:3.36:7. 36:14. 174:19 175:8 1N :3

238:3.252:6 corepl - 12:1z. 9.8. 18:1s, 21:12 42:7.42:1 1. 45:6, 178:7 181216

contributedlsl - 12:18 1 4:z ao:l3 1 1a:1 , 162:1

45:14, 46:9. 46:12, 183:13, 183:231

.

.

.

230:18, 240:z. corelzi - 1zs:22, 232:1 1 52:9, 52:1 1, s2:18. 184:7. 1ô4:1 1,

z4arls. 243.2, 2s2:8 17s.23 caunsel'stzl - 13.4

53:20. 55:14, 57:3, 189:21 , 190:21,

'

contributing a - corporatesl - 19:1 63:21, 63:22. 65:4. 192:15, 198:24,

239::3, 240:2t), 2s0:1s

.

2ss:23 countll) - 8:21 66:16, 67:5, 67:8, 199:2, 201:13

240:22 255:24 256:4 country (11 - 34:20 6T:11, 67:14, 69:7, 202211, 202:13,

contributionta - correctlsn - 13:22

,

counwa - J:s. 69:11, 69:14, 69:18, 202216, 202:201

.

2:23 14:5. 164:s 25:23 2::3 27.77 7s$' :' c'qo.a 69:22. 73:18, 73:22. 202:24. 203:23

164:9 1e4:1s. 2a.s s4 5 ss:l3 couplegn - 2s:1a

,

?5:4. 79:1 1, 79:17. 214:5, 204:16,

228:19 230:21 239:3 ss:lz z3:14 74:17 32:2 3s:9 ss:9

.

s9:3 79:23, 80:11, 80:13. 2% :21, 204:23,

tributionr,,- za,2, i,:s ,(), s4,:,. ss.a'

.

,(o,'s

.

loa,s.

'

8o,li'. so,22, a2,1o, zoz,co, 2c8,1n

,

238:16 86:21 s?:8, 89:16 11():1 113:7

,

113.8 89:19.89:23, 90:21 20a:12 209:14.

contributorpl - 90:16, 91:21, 93:19

.

lllr:s 1 19.21 90:24, 92:17. 92:19. 209218, 209:20

v ,

'

2a9:6 s6:13. 1.)2:2 losrz 126:1t) 13z:6

,

:4z:3 92:21. 92:23, 93:3, 211:15 21211. 212:4

.

controllq - 23:13, 106:5, 1 15:24 165:5 168:T 182:22 10Z:12, 107:15 213:8 213:10

' ' ' 1

' î l

t2z:1e 122:1a, 1 1s:19.120:1 . 120.4, 1a9:1a, 19s)a

,

19z:a, 107:18. 1C*:2, 108:5, 214:23, 216:18,

219:7 21 1:4 259:16 120:10.122:20. 197:19 198:8

,

201:6, 108:Z, 108:14, 216:21. 218:18

,

' ' '

1 1c:22 1 1z:16 z22215 224:, 225:7ontrols z

zl :17, 13::23 140:1 201:23 218:19 250:4 . ' ' . .

210:21 147:1n, 'Iso:ls couplela) - ss:a

,

121:5, 124:22, 125:1 225:10 225:14

conversationl,a - 1s9:8, 1t59:17, s6:11 125:9,125:11, 225:18, 225:23,

53:24 s4:12 93:s 1z9:24. 1as:2, courselsl . 1a:4

.

125:13, 125:14. 226:1 226:3 226:6,

9z:10 9z:21 120:2: 191:17. 4199:9, as:17 122:17 126:6, 126:8, 127:10, 226:9, 226:14

, , , .

,

'

124: 2 126:9 212:23, :?13:3, 212:17 247:7 127:17, 127:19, 229:12, 229:15,

' '

222:13 228:22 couzes z - 141:4 128:/, 129:15 1229:18 D9:20s3:17 153:24 , , , . , '

2:$::24 ;?3s:1a 141:s ' 129:24 130:24 229:23 231:1 231:9s1:18 2s2:2

, . . ' , . ,

'

tionsz - 239:16, :?41:17, courtlaol - srlo

.

131:10.131:15, 231:15, 232:4, 232:9,nveva

4s:2 4s:24 82:2 246:9, 2:19:121 250:8 6:19 14:9 j4rjo 131:20. 132:5, 13226. 232:12, 232:15

, '

, , I ,

,

.

132:21 204:17, 250:9, 255:1, 2562231 14:11 16:20 17:6

,

132:13.132:18. 232:19, 232:22.

'

zs1:2t 2s9:1a 21::2. 6):,:e '27

:2 133:s' 133:19, 2.33:1 233:4, 2a3:a,o9:a

,

,

correcqcsl- s-nls, 12.?.:,z jao':2z ' 133:24

,

:34:4. z:'3:17, 233:20onvertx

1za:,:$, ,

' 178:17

,

183:1, 18316 -/4:1B, 7t5:16, 83:11, 132:241 134:11' 1M:121 134214. 233:23, 234:3, 2M:9,

rteda - M :4, 93:201 102:13, 134:17 161:19 134:20. 135:12. 234:13, 235:6,@nve

, ' 135:20

.

135:23, 235:12: 235:17,





.,.A 7

. h ?

235:2 1 236: 1 3 curios.ity (Ij - 1 53'8 245 5 250.3 delay (3I - 721 5 1 1 1 :24. 1 14.2 1 I

236. 1 7. 2372 1 0 curiotls (1 I - 19: 1 days (s1 - 7.:4. 80 6, 1 3: 1 t; 13: 16 1 1927, 1 23:3 1 38:2,

240. 1 I24023 241 :4 currerlt I 1 01 - 7:21 103 4, 143:3. 1 98. 1 9 delegated I1I - 1 02:1 143:1 7, 1 44: 1 1 ,

241 :5.241 : 10 30. 1 1 7 5:9 84.1 2 days' (1 1 - 72 1 9 delegates I1) - 1 02'3 145: 1 2 1 49. 1 3

241 :20, 242:71 84' 13 96. 14 145 1 3 Ddlll - 68 1 5 delete (111 - 31: 12 194:23 227:20

242:21 , 245. 1 6, 159

.

1 8 203:2 1 227.1 dead I21 - 24 1 . 1 3, 51 .5. 5 1: 1 0, 51 : 14, 227.21 , 228:7.

245:20, 247:1 1 I currenttz) - 3::3

.

241 1 8 53:3. 107:2, 135:7, 235:22, 239:4, 239.6,

247:1 5, 24-J:181 3725 deal (1c1 - 1 2:22

,

149:191149:20, 239:131 .43:3.

248:9, 249:17, 25312. curtail I11 - 183:14 59:16

,

:0:16, 93:13, 222:9, 223:13 245:10, 251.8, 252:9,

253:1 1 , 253:16. custody I2I - 69:1 7

.

130 151 133:3. deleted fz01 - 20.18, 252515

253:21 . 253:24. 69:1 8 21 9 1 2 229:24

.

35::0, 40:9,40:21 j Dennis' (21 - 47:5,

254:6,254:9. 254:15, customerlz) - 239

.

12, 256:16 41221 41.24143:7, 51:13

254:18. 255:1 1 180:23 1 8:$:z dealing (xI - 1 2

.

1 3. 45:24, 49:2 50:22 Dennisontll - 2:4

255:18, 256:15, cuta - :$s:21

,

60:23. 61:3, 225:4 51.21 51:15, 51:18, Departmentl/l -

257:8, 257:13. zs:23 :.03:1z cleals 1I - 140:14 51:21

.

52:16, 53:4, 127:9, 127:20,

2s7':1'?, 257:2:, c*6

-

(10114(zj . clealtz - 85:6, 53:6. 53:11, 53:12, 128:16, 129:7,

258:2.259:5 j:j j sr/ 8z:12

,

1 12.4. 1 12.5 s3.1s,53:16, 53:18, 206:12. 2s():8

Courts I1I - 63: 19 1 j z:(; 1 1 z:a 1 1 z: j 4 61 .22 62:2 62:5

,

department (,I -

courtrtmm (1 11 * decade I11 - 206.1 8 88*24

.

89:3, 89:9, 24: 1 7

1 2:1 5, 14: 1 3, 1 5:23, decay Ijj

21 (). 1 1 91 :23193: 1 8, 93:21 , Depttll - 1 J1 2

1829. 21 : 1 5, 21 : 1 81 oecemberll s)

93 24I94:2, 94:4, deptll 1) - 251 :21aily (

q - 1 7:7 1 7:8

24:9, 1 72: 1 7, 209:24, ' ' 1 zt

r:) 1 5: j :$ 1 5: j (5, 94:1'1 494:22, 95: 16I deputy I1J - :4: 1 1 49:24

,

24 5: 1 2 . ,

220:4, 220:6 2s:21 :$:::2 33.a2 100:9

,

100: 1 1 I1 06: 1 I describe 14) - 12:5.amage (1l

204: 21 . . ,

covering (1) - 17: 1 0 :p: j s :$4: j 7 :$4: 1 () 1 1 0:23

,

1 1 1 : 1 . 1 2:16 23:22 25: 10am alles 11 1

41 : 1 4 . . . , , ,

crashed I1I - 52:4 51 : 1 () a3:21 8625 1 1 8:1 1 1 8:20, 27:5 36:2 1 38: 1

dark ( 1 I - 1 30: 5 . . , , ,

create (1 11 - 57: 1 1 , 1 zs.:2:21 6:2 21 8: 1 () 1 1 9:1 1 . 1 19: 1 21 47:21 49:5 55:22at

a (4 11 - 1 2:24 ' . ' . '

58:5: 58:24. 59; 10I ' decide (6

-

1 2: 1 8. 1 20:1 3, 1 35:2, 96:22 149:6 1 54:1

Z4: 1 3 i 4: 1 6 76: 1 7 r '

69:41 1 46: 18, 147: 18. ' ' ' j as:1 7 1 44:6 1 35:1 1

,

1 50: 1 . 1 50: 5, 185:207:2

.

8iI:4, 86: 1 7, , .

147221 , 14923, 1 (;a:2() 1 a3: 1 5 169:3, 169:7, 1 70:22. Describe 11 l - 77:1 76:20

1

EI8: 1 6, 88:22, , ,

158:20, 228:8 1 a4:1 9 1 71 :4, 190:9, 190: 1 2

.

described pl - 89:2

,

89:5, 89: 14

.

created 112; - 56: 10, ' gecision I3j

204:22, 209: 1 0. 1 s2:j 7 j s4:3

,

0:4. 9O.1 4. 91 r 1 1 , '

87:20, 145:4, 146: 1 9, 1 6a:2() 245:-/.z52: j j 21 0:4, 21 1 :20, 214:7, 1 56: 1 2 1 57:2 1 57:44:3

,94 :5, 94:9. , i , , ,

148: 1 8, 1 58: 1 8, aecjsions (1) 245:6 214:1 9. 21 8:61 164: j 5 j 85: 1 j 94:3 1 6:9

,

1 30r 1 4, 1 33:3, ' ,

169:21 . 1 95: 1 , oeclarationx 220: 1 2, 221 :4. describing (21 - 4 1 :2 1

.

1 45: 1 8,

195:1 7. 1 99:81 s42 j 7 ssrz j t .;:a

,

221 ) 1 2. 221 :23, 1 1 4:20 1 52:22 63: 10

,

164:1 . . , I

1 99: 1 1 . 238: 1 7 j j .; ztl 1 n L j :$ 222: 1 , 224: 1 3 description I3I

1 64r 10, 164:14, . ,

ce ate.s I4I - 139:22, oecjarauonstl)

deleting l1j - 22 1 : 10 66: 1 5 66:1 7 1 1 3:1 564:20

,

1 64:23, . ,

147:41 147:6, 147:22 .s: j 5 deletion I1l - 97:8 descriptive t'l -65: 14

,

1 67: 1 1 ,

creatiag l71 - T3:10 . l jfy (jj

5 1 :7 deliver I11 - 1 32. 1 6 1 00:21 1 03:6 206:5 J06:1 0 207 4 dec ass

,

85:4 85:20 85:24 ' ' ' delivered I21

66:24 du ign p) - 24:2

,

. ' 2 1 5 : 1 1 2 1 5 : 1 4 d e p r s o ( 1 1 - .

j 93:8, 193: 1 2, 2 1 8 : 1 1 2 j 6:a g : j 2 z gz 1

: j :j , 1 zj 1 .z4 67 :1 9 1 96 :24

creation ($1 - 76:3 2gj ::s '

oeveoaanta - 5:2j. delivery I1I - 67:20 Designationttl - 4:2

criminal (1) - 129:22 databases (1j

6. 14 demfmstrations i4I - designed (1I - 208:4

critlcal (1j - 135:16 2(j5:: oefendantsp)

23773, 237:5, 243:10, designing (1I - 85:16

Crossg?l - 3:4, 3:7, date I1s)

7:19, 1:16 2:1 1 243:1 8 desk ($) - 40:17

3:12, 53:201 53:22, 4::x 65:5 gzra (jefl

ense (21 - 15:1 2, denied (11 - 144:12 uestroy pl

141 :7,

192:17 218:21 ' ' ' Dennislssl

1 :12i 222:2:$ 223:9 95:24

,

S5:2, 96:231 206:13 ,

CTOSS I21 - 1 1:5, 1 10:1 1 j j(): j 5 oefenselaj

42:20, 1:1 3. 26:2, 37:89 38:5, destroyed I11 - 221 :9

80:23 1 17:13 163:21 4:s:z; a:$:j4 jzz:9

,

38:19. 39:231 40:5. destructlf)

98:1 1

CrO rrexamination 163:z3 16s:6 2c2:./ 122.:2: jza:j6 41:24 44:1 44:17 d tructsllj

98:21 . . , . . ' ' es

I3l - 3:4, 3:7, 3:12 238:17 2s9:ô jzgr.; ztsrjz 46:6, 47:5, 4727, 48:3, detailspj

66:ja,

cross-examination oatedll) 259:1 a define (1I - 240:6 4877, 49:9 49:23 , 143:1 1

01 - 80:23 dated (q 231:10 Definelll - 142: 16 50:21 S0:18, 51 :23,

. detect pl - 154:14.

cross-examiningltl 2:$1:1.2.2a9:.7. (jefined (1) l4lTa 52:2. 52:3 56:2

. . ' ' 178:3, 181:1. 185:241

-

11:5 245:24 247:22 definzons (1) 62:101 64:151 66:19, 1a6:j() jw t: j:j:4

,

crystal t1I - 236:21 dates r1j

48:22 152:1 Z1 :13. 72:2, 72:3, 191:7

,

194:22

Cscll - 1:24 daughtero Degreela - 176:2, 72:9, Z2:14. 72:24, detecting pl

192:4

ctots) - 210:23, z()j :2:$ ;?o2:j 2:5., 73:1 , 75:1 i 75:17,

.

,

detection pal - 212:16

223:10. oavid 2) - 2:8

,

5:15 degreelzq - 176:8

,

-/6:1, Z8:3, Z8:111 65:15

,

120:22,

.

' 249:23, 250:1 , 250:19 dapto

-

day (a1 - 205:7 227:1 1 82:16. 86:14. 104:4, 128:13

,

128:22,





..-

. - .

8 ) )

z

'

.

1 28:23. 1 M :8. dial-up (1 1 - 64:4 1 90.4, 190:5, 20 1 '2. Doctorlll - 1 92:20 Drexellzl - 80:5

'' 1 T6: 14, 1 76:241 dichotomy a - 2 1 4: 1 3 docum ent 1161 - Drivelll - 2: 1 7

177: 1 . 1 83220. 12:21 1 4:3 1 30:1 3 disagree 11 1 - 109 19 1 53:1 1 66:5 1 67:2, drive 1221 - 33:4,

185'23 186:1, dictate t$I - 229:2 disappeared :1 - 16Z:4.208:21, 33:7 36.24 37:2

1 86'16. 187'5, died (1I - 52:4 1 20.10 233:12. 233:18. 51 :6, 51 :24, 52:1 .

1 87:15, 187:20. differljnt (44j - 27 2 disclose (sI- 234:7.234:16. 235:4. 52:7 1 10:13 1 16.8

18/:221 1 92:7, 2z:5 31 : 1

,

31 :8, 129'21, 130:22, 235:T. 235:91 235:13, 1 18:22. 121 :16,

195:13. 195:16, 4z:24 (4:23 5625

,

133'15, 134:22, 136:5 235:14, 235. 18, 121:17 123:1 123:5

212422, 221.9, 222:20 '?2:s 1(I()r20

,

1 19.21 , disclosed (4j - 236:11 123:6, 123:7,123:8,

detects pl - 98:5 1:$9:23 J40:3 24:23 1 36:7 136

.8 documentation t11 - 145:7, 158:12 161 :1

223:11 223:4 140215 140:17

,

203.19 16:18 170:6

determination IxI - 140:22 141 :14 discover I1I - 39: 15 documents ( 01 - Drivert:l - 145:5

16:6, 91 :2 210:3 141 r 1 6 1 4223 discovery (2I - 24: 15

.

24:21 25:2 drives p2I - 34:7

213:1 1 142:12 142:1 9 161 '23 162:2 42:22, 1 1Z:14, 45:21 , 48:18. 51:7,

determine 8l - 142:2 1 1 43:7 discrete I1) - 1 69

.6 133:1 5, 1 62:51166:7, 51 :8, 107:2 107%

53: 17. 99:21 , 1 44:5. 147: 1 31 1 48: 1 5, discuss (2I - 19:6

,

256:71 256:10 108: 1 T, 108:24,

2 1 1 i 19k 221 :3, 148:2 1 1 50: 1 5

1

j 3411 9 D0d I1) - 107:8 109:2, 1 10:2, 1 16:41

226: 1 1 . 250: 1 5, 1 50: 1 8 1 59:2, 1 67 3 discussed (sI - dollars i41 - 132 23

I

1 16:21 , 1 1 7:21

251 :13 1 79: 1 7

,

1 79:22. 2 1 : 17 21 : 19 1 27

.

1 3 238: 1 3, 252:1 8, 143: 1 81 1 442231

determined I2l - 1 80: 1 3, 1 85:20, 244: 1 5 251 : 1 0 252:22 145:3

.

145:5, 1 45: 1 5.

44: 16 1 1 8:9 1 86:2 1 1 91 :21 discussion (4h - done 126) - 21 : 1 4

1

146: 1 1 . 1 55: 1 la

determining I2) - 1 96:5, 205: 1 1 , 80:2 1 27:22 240:1 7 41 :7

,

67: 1 7, 76: 1 5, 1 552 15, 1 57: 1 0,

44: 15I 191 :10 205: 1 6, 205: 1 9, 253: 1 () 87:7

.

1 01 :5. 1 02: 5. 157: 13, 1 58: 1 1 ,

develop (321 - 27L 11 , 209:8. 2'1 2:21 Discussion I91 - 105:2 105:10 216:4, 219:2 219:20,

28: 10, 128:12, 1 39:4. 220:1 7 244: 1 3 249:9 2j :24 szr4 70:6 134:17

,

146:22 21 9:21 , 220:2,220:3,

213:22, 222:24, differentiate t1j - 1 72:22 1 z5

.

7 178:13: 1 82: 1 0, 220:5

230:16. 236:23, 221 :7 246:10 ass.1 a 182:19. 187:5, 187:6, drove I1l - 44:9

237:1 , 237:9. 244:1 9. differthntly (1 1 - 257: 1 () 257 1 (5 188:2 192:2 1 95:8 Dslll) - 1 12:20

252:10 180: 1 9 disoussions a - 197:8, 206:5 2062 1 0 Dsstzq - 83: 14

.

.

developed (121 - diffictllt (21 - 2 16 5, 46: 14 79:6 228:5 208: 1 3. 220: 18. 1 57:24

,

159:6, 160: 1 1

26: 1 1 I 27:13128:161 21 7:24 disk I61 - 163: 1 7

,

22 1 :1 1 , 237:3 due I2J - 7:1 5

,

28: 19 55:24 150: 14, diffictllty 31 - 8:8

,

1 7c: 1 1 70.2 1 7* 4 door 2I - 39:18. 44:8 130: 1 1

168:1 2, 1 84:1 7, 22: 1 6 ;.2:21 1 98: 1 0 2 1 7 j 5 doors E1J - 1 1 2: 1 3 duly Izq - 22:2

,

191:19, 191 :22, digita (b1 - 175:16 disks I11 - 210:10 doubtl3l - 167:10

. 174:141203:2. 226:18

222:22, 228:9 digitally (:I - 48:5 display I11

-

150:21 225:1, 225:2 during 12) - 14:13,

developertzl - diluted (11 - 252: 1 5 dissertation I41

DOug(11 - 5:16 20:41 59:1 , 59:9,

14721 , 206:22 dimensional I 1 .. 176:1 1 1 76313

,

down 1251 - 64:14, 76:15. 80:5.85:3,

developing (21 - 1 76:2 1./-J:1a' j77 20 72:22 7s:17 zs: 18 237:22 246:23

27:15. 5s:1 Dinll, - 243:11 distiaction (2I

75:20,75:23, 75:24, 247:6, 249:1. 249:3

developmenttlol - (jire (1) - 212:3 (p:2j 6:$:1 z9:18

,

s3:7, 101 :17, Duringpj - s9:s,

26: 10, 26: 12I26:21 I Dire ga) - 3: 1 1

,

21 2.6 distinguish I1j - 1 14:3.1 72: 1 1 , 77: 1 , 247: 1

21 2: 1 61214:1 3, direct (4I - 62:4 1 77210 1 81 :1 5

,

1 81 : 1 6. duties pl - 1 37: 1 5

220:23, 244:21, % :19 17726 241:24 djstribute Ij)

1:1:191 181:23, Dvls - 156:17,

250:3, 251:23, 251:24 oirectlloj

3:3, 3:T4 230:16 181 :24, 196:5, 157:9, 157:1 5,

Developmentpl - 3:1c 3: 1 j a:14 az:s oistrictsl

1:s, 1 :7, 202:16, 210:10. 158:1 1 16627

119:9 lz4rlz zoars 214:4

,

129:1s 2s9.s 233:16, 249:18, Dvdpl - 87:3

,

87:4

device p, - 98:2, 226:21 divided j1j 72:12 252115, 256:16, Dvdsa - 143:18

,

98:4, 98:1 8. 1 52:16, directed (1) - 147:13 divisions (11 70:5 259:15 144:24

,

145:8

2œ :21 , 221:8, 221 :9 ojrectinglll

37:21 Dixonp) - 43:22

,

doWM taif's (1 11 - dying (11 - 64:1'

222:20. 223:8 directing (1)

127:3 44:11 83:21

,

1 12220, 75:5, 101:15, 1Q5210, Dynamicpl - 145:4

.

deviou (41 - 97:23, directiion a

191 :6, 1 13:21 113:23 1 1 176, 1 1 1:7. 1 11:1 3, 14.5:6 14a:1 3

98:10, 120:22, 222:22 z1 1 :s y.s9:1 s 1sG.1 1 1 68 pa 121:9, 123:17.

devote pl - 237:19, directlly tjj

87:23 157:23 123:201 1 55:24 E

245:20, 240:22 uirectora

26:9, DII(1q - 60 11, DT(2l - 192:21,

Devoteda - 23'?:1s, 21c:.Iz 212:1s 146:16 14z

.

6 14a:.r 2:():1z il IsI

26:1a, . , , , R a

246: 1 3, 24:: 1 8 zj 2:j 8 1 4a:1 j j 48 1 7 draw pl - 6321 3 za:z4 51 : 1 a sj :2j

Devserverlll - 38: 14 dkrectories (4I

148:18 148 20 draWer 111 - 1 66: 1 8 9'?':j 5

diagram 121 - 70:3 21 1 :1o z14:1 s 148:24 j sl .21 drawers (2I - 156:20 smail (jj

32:4

...

1

j, j, j 4.

' 74:8 2t4:1 (5 ()I1s(1 - 6c: lz 156:22 e-mails Iw - 50:21,

'

'

.

dial I1l - 64:4 directaly (sj - 190:3 rlmt: 72:21 drawing (:1 - 73:19 5():2z 52:1: s3:4

,





9

.

Z '

53'/. 53:81 53: 1 1 , emplciyment (al . Ericlzl

2: 1 3 5:22 174:22 1 80:1 149: 1 4 151

1 9

.

53: 1 4 25: 1 0

,

ti4; 16. 57224 Ervplll - 95 7 1 80

.1O, 1 80: 1 8 1 5223

,

152:8, 1 7779 ' .

mails (11 - 53:9 emptied I1I - 51 : 1 7 especially (1 )

1 83: 1 9 1 85' 2 1 85'5 1 77L 1 0 1 80:24

early (4l - 43.8, enable t1 j - 9i;: 1 is 2 1 7

.

24 1 85. 1 611 85: 2 1 1 8 1 ; 1 2 1 82

.

5,

1 37:6 165:7 240: 1 6 enclypted 11 I - 6427 E'

squiretzl - 2

.4. 2:5 1 86. 1 811 87'5 1 85.23 1 95: 1 3

easier I1I - 229.23 Endtl ) - 258.5 2

.

8. 2: 1 2 22 1 3

.

2: 16 1 87: 1 8, 1 88:2 18827. 196:1 4

,

1 96:20,

easily 1I - 218:7 end (9, - 60:9

.

68:21 , 2: 17 188:1 1 189:6

. 243:1 1 . 244:7

easy I11 - 93:8 132:8 133:7 1 33' 1 7 establish I1I - 98: 10 198: 18

1

200:1 209:91 except (71 - 15:18

1

editied 11 I - 1 96: 1 7 1 36 24 1 48.2 228

.

1 5 established (1I - 21 1 : 1 1 . 21 1 : 1 8 2 1 : 18 70:24 1 1 5: 1 3

edited I1) - 159220 ended (1) - 228:1 3 91 18 224

.

101 224:1 1 119:2 132:9 150:3

editing I1 - 103:3 ends ( 81 - 60:10 estimate o

56:9 227:2. 227:5 227:19 exception pl -

euitions B) - 1s9:2. energies l11 - 231$'4 56 13

.

1:9:4.109:8, 226:14, 2S1:6

. 227:16

159:7, 159210

,

160:24 enforcementf?l .. 109:10

.

109:23 161:4 254:23, 257:3 exchangelll - 162:2

editor pl - 1 53:3 90:9 1 24:7

,

124:8 Et(15I - 31 :1 6, g4is. Etreppidtll - 1 :9 excluded I21 - 164:9

,

educated a - 15:23, 124:16

,

124218. 1 19:1 I 1 19:9

.

1 19:231 Stv'Clll - 95:6 168:15

91 :6, 196:18 12728 1 29.

21 145:1 8 149:3 149 8 evaluate I31 - 36:5 exclusion (11 - 1Z:14

education I11 - 1 84:2 engage I2I - 161 :23 149:10

.

21 1 :1 0 180:20, 182:8 exclusively I$1 -

educational (31 - 162:2 21 1 : 1 4 21428 214: 12 evaluation I1I - 238:4

23:22. 205:3 227:9 enginc (1s) - 28:18 Etaclzl - 99

.

23 213.1 5 excuse (2I - 231:1

effect I21 - 41 : 1 1 55:23 57: 1 3 5828. 100. 1 6 events (21 - 45:/, 236: 1 9

256:5 61 :8

I

62 1 1 I 63:3. etreppid (1361 - 5:1 3

1

2 16'2 Excusej:q - 1 8 1 : 16

I

efficiency I1) - 63:9, 85 1 0 1 18: 1 5 5: 1 6 5. 1 8 12:2 1 eventually I1J - 234:6

203: 1 7 1 1 8: 1 6. 1 1 9:2, 1 1 9 4 14:4

,

25: 1 1 . 25: 1 31 1 39:6 excused I8I -

efficient (2) - 207:6

,

150:9, 1 50:12 25: 18, 25:20, 26:12 evidence (2sl - 167:22 1 72:12

2a2:z ermineertx - lsz ir 2e: s, 28:7 z1:1(5 9c:11 132:3 lzsrls ,-/2:2, zûzlz

effort (q - 95: 10. 1 88: 1 2. 1 98: 1 91 199.1 32: 1 1 I 32: 1 3, 32: 1 8

,

201 : 14.234:8

1

202: 1 7 202: 19.

99:20 105:21 1 13:9 engineering Ia) - 33: 12 34:2 49:3 234:12 234:14 224:2 224:3

113:19 201:21, 174:24. 176'9, 180 8 M *18, 54:22 55:3

.

235:1. 235:22 236:8 executablellzl

21 7:13 218:8 Enginxieringlpl - 55.5, 55'22 55:24 239:24. 240:4 241 r1 57:10 60:9 60:14

.

efforts (q - 65:7, 175:1 8 59:11 , 62:5 62:18, 241 :3I241 :5 241:6 60:18 128:14 139:6

237:21 238:3 engineerspq - 62:20

.

63:2, 63:6, 241:13. 242:6, 146:16 147:6

.

246:21.248:23 188:16. '188:17. 63;10. 63:15, 64:3 247:14, 247:19 147:18 148:1 149:3

,

EiglAtl,l - 57:14 188:22

.

'889: 10I 65: L 68:21. 69:6, 248:7. 248:10, 25428. 209:2 214:18

either (1a1 - ô:12, 189:15 '1 91 :15 ' : 15. 78:16 7::22 255:6,256:20 executables (i;I

10:1 : 33:10, 41:20, 196:11, : 15:23 i'9: ?, 80:4 82:4. 83.2 exactpl - 1 14:24

,

6z:1g 67:22 146:9

75:181 1> :15 217:4. 2t$1:6 83:81 84:17 8525

.

115:1 146:15 150:20

,

209:6

1 13:20, 124:1 engines (1) - 1 16: 18 85:20, 85:241 86:4 exactly (101 - 70:2

, execute (1l - 20826

125:22. 135216 Englislltzl - 152:14

,

86:9, 66212, 87:7 102:21 130:4 144:5

% executedp) - 148.:3.

157:t7, 165:7 170:4 208:14 68:12. 88:16, 89:6 148:24

,

151:8. 235:4 239:7

204:7, 218: 1 220:14 enjoy I1I - 1 26: 12 B9:15. 90:3, 90:151 154:19, 169:20 executive I21 - 5:17

,31:18 2s1:1s enjoyed (,I - :2s:j 1 91:21, 92:12. 94:21

171 :15. 252:4 2s():1#

elaboration (1I - enterlal- 1 9:7

,

94:22,99:6, 99:20 Exactlytl) - 147:19 Executlvelll

95:15

y6i,:1s 19:10 99.24, 101:1. 101::1 Exam inationpa - exhlbitl

zn - 231:24

electronicl4l - enterecl (sI - 19:1 1

,

103:81 103:19, 195:8 3:3 324

,

3:7 3:10, 24824 24$:14 253:5

25:19 27:3 179:3, 168:14

,

222:6, 105:14. 1W :5, 3:11

,

3:11, 3:12, 3:13, Exhibitlsq

4:3, 4:4,

208:21 228:17 234:20 10Z721, 108:18 3:14 22:5

,

53:22. 4:5 4:: 4:7 4::

,

42g 0 9

: 1 1 1 09 : 1 8 1 38 : 1 8 1 5 52 8 6g

:) 'J ) : j 1 j 2 1 ; 5 1loquence (11 - 1 3:5 entering I1l - 83: 1 9 ' ' . ,

1 1 0 :22 1 1 1 :4 1 74: 1 7 1 92: 1 7 1 2 j

:6 ' 1 22

:

'

1 g 'm bedded (11

entiœ (2I * 1 5:6 ' ' ' t

1 1 1 :2 3 1 1 2 1 8 20 3: 5 2 1 2 : 6 2 1 4: 4 1 s6

: 1 :1 229 : 9 '46:4 35: 1 7 ' ' ' ' ' .

s j j 4 r# , j j 4 r rj j j tj 7 z j 8 r 2 j zzz j .y w

g j .y.

$

rutj r j g'ergencytzl

. entities (zI - 78:13 ' ' '

, ,

95:15 97:19 252:17 ' 1 16:12

,

1 16:19, 223:19

,

226:21 230:2 z

.'a:l8q

1 ja j ljarja 1z4:.g examinatlon z - 2:$:$:11:$ z:$a

rlsm ployedtll - 251:3 entitled pl - 201:15 ' ' '

, ,

; zjtyra zatlrja . ja, 1 1

.l:s:jz, ar4 zrs

,an azjz, zyjjrjtl z:yyrja

,

mp oyees (1el - . ,

,

25:22 40:3, 45:15, entrypl - 83:16

,

129 3, 129:8. 130:21, 80:23 183:14 241:24 234

:24 235:22,1 ' ' ,

46:7 51:20 s2:16. 222:2 137.12, 139:24, examinell) - 99:20 za8

:22 238:23. ,

,44:1 ,41:1 1 examynjng Ijj

1 1:s aarz ; srza :4::48:6, 88:21. 2(y4:18, environmentl,l - , ' , ,

,

21 1:3 21z:24, 147:22 141:15, 143:15, examplepzq

50:1, z4s:z'? 245:23

,

j4ô:zz ,0$:2

.

4 sqizj .r4:jz w :4 a -yra '

zrrja,18:12, 22::19 equipmanta - ' . , , ,

,

'

'

228:10 237:1 '

97:23 98 12 251:16 166:1 1. 166:17 140:7 148:6 148:1z

,

24;:1r) a4.ng() . , , , ' . - , ,45

:13 250:5 251:16 elased I1J - 216:7 166:12.1Z0:21, 148:22 148:23 24z

:21 24826. I ' 1 4 .





.. .

1:

' )

248: 1 0 253:4 253:5 237.2 fat It1 - 1 39 1 1 fited (sI - 82 1 4 financially I1I -

253:6 25328 253: 1 7 explored pl - 56 4. fault tl ) - 1 84.4 1 1 7: 1 0 1 1 7: 1 5, 1 32:22

253: 1 8, 253: 19 56:5 fax i1) - 1 59:23 224:2 1 225: 1 1 finding: I1) - 1 5'2

253'2 1 , 2M :8, 254:9 Express I11 - 6: 1 0 F dqll - 206:2 1 files i120) - 2Z. 10. tine (91 - 6:24 1 1 : 1 5,

254:12 254:15 extent pl - 21.13, feasibility (1I - 27: 171 27:18. 27:19, 52:69 134:23 210:1

254.20, 255:2, 255:5. 184:15 180 21 27.20, 28291 32:19, 229221 , 231 :1 91

255:7,255:8,256:18 extrerne (,I - 47: 14 feasible (11 - 181:7 35' 1 , 35.8 51 22, 242:17 25/:1 9

256720, 257:7 extreraely 3l - featurelzl - 139:12

,

51*18. 51:21, 53.101 Finqal - 52:13,

exhibits 2) - 229:14, 1 33:1 2 21s:1 1 1-/6 Ja 1-,7:2 lzz

.

4 54122, 54:24. 56:9, 242:1 9

231:16 241:24 177 11 177:12 56.10, 56:16, 56:17, finishtgl - 67:6

.

exist ($I - 1 39:24 1 77.21 56' 1 9, 57: 1 , 57:71 67: 1 1 79:1 0

,

79:1 1 ,

existed I3) - 34:1 Featurql ) - 1 7725 5Z: 1 2, 592 14 60: 1 1 I 93:5 93: 1 0 93: 1 1 F I , I .

1 03:24, 1 19: 1 2 feature-rich 11 l - 60: 1 21 60: 1 5, 602 1 7, 1 26:9, 1 82:9

existence 11 1 - 29: 10 face (?J

1 1 9: 1 5 1 39:1 2 811 24, 89:3, 89:71 finished (BI - 25: 1 1 ,

existentll) - 1 2:21 1 77:j 2 j 85:23

,

features t1)- 177.14 69:9. 91 :22. 91123. 35:5 3516 35:7

existing I2l - 103.3, 18s 24 1 86:1 o F'ebruatyal - 1 :21

92:1 , 92.22, 93.18 36:1 1 38:1 0 138:1 1

. p $

' ' ' %

103:5 192:4 : 07.14 s:1

,

172:1 93:21. 93:2319422, 167:24

exists (1I - 14:3 Faciayl - 105:7 Federakq - 6: 10 94:1 1 . 94:12 94713 finishing 1I - 34:23

exittll - 83:17 facial l6I - 68

.

3, 7:17. 15:7. 1s:8, ' 94:17

.

94719. 94:21, firez - 7c:13

,

223:1

expectlsl - 6:21 1os:12 losrls

,

1zs.9, j2s 1:$ 95:1 1 .95:16. 95:24, fired (1j - 2s1:x

-,:1., ,8-/-:,2. 2:s8:,, ,os:22 ,2,:22

.

federalp - lerza. 90:1. % :12. 9z:3. ,ring(,,

-

24s:7

2:.:2 19z::0. 1.?.

:a 1.,:4 126:2:$. 9z.:4.9''.:1s, 99:22. tirstlssl

9:1:,

tasona; - facgitpesIa- 4a:1a ,as:2'

z' ,,',:$ 1('(':a. 100:11, ,,:12 laia Ja:l.?'XPeG

, '

1(0:1:? 104:z 10::2 zj .:. :o:z ; za 'z'?:8 :?0s:8 1zz:21 12a 14 lxrz , . , : , . ,

d ,1- 7:10 facilitftlsl - 26:23

,

feeds'

tll - 48:1 109:6, 109:181 26 5 27:8 4a:23xpecte ( .

expeditiouslytll - 27:1

,

42:22, 68:14, fellow lll - 253:24 109:24, 110:15s 55:21 65:9 6s:1.F

131:1/ 77:13 1r7:20

,

81:20, fellowshipgj - 110:211 1 13:20. 6s:;?() 66::4 6::2

iencea - 82:9 8: :1 1 82:17 175:20 116:101 1 16:1 1, 68:5 68:9 6a:18XPPC

I . ,

,

.

, .

j jorj;? j j(;:j: m tj j grsyty x r,05:10

,

245:10 82:23 I1z:4

,

141 3, felon a - 79:8

.

' '

, . .

.

experiencedls - 210:4'

zsrls 8o:s 1 16:19. 118:17, z6:16 r?:1 j1c:1:

213:1T Facililyll - 82:12 felonylll - 80:24 121:15, 121.20, 123:14 15:$;1ô

1 8: 3 fact 11 5) - 7: 16, 8 1 1 , few 11 01 - 1 7:3

.

1 22:2, 1 22:6. 1 2271 4, j sgrzj 1 74; 1 4xped (17)

- , ,

, jzryzzj j rzya

,

j ayjya j .ytyyj jy8:5

,

24:5. 24: 1 1 I 1 2: 14 (50:2 66:201 37 : 18

,50.20 66: 1 5, ' ' ' , I

jzar j t5 j zarz, j .ya;g 4 j ,(k j 54:13

,

24: 1 9, 203: 1 2, 79:5 76):1 51 80:4. 1 33: 1 2 163 8 ' ' . ,

I , j aat5 j 45y j () atjatj j , j ;(y03: 14

,203221 1 06:4 ,1 55: 1 4 1 69:7 195: 1 9 1 98

.

1 3 ' ' 1 ' ,

I , I , , , j 45 r j 4 j vjgj g z j j s y yy y ; g g04

:9, 206: 1 , 206:3 191 :1 0 238'5 202:3 20T: 1 I

.

' '

1 15 : , ,

, , I , j ogj j g j yyyz() j j;j gztj y jytyyrtj06

:13, 207:1 9. 241 :22 253:7 fifty I2I - 2:5:20 ' ' . '

, j4(j: j a

,

y 4jk j a, z(si.y m zgzj a rjgz

,

092 1 6, 21 522. 221 .3 fail I2l . 29: 1 0

, fifty-fifty ( ) - 255:20 Axa a j j xo j a ' ,

dise ($) - 135:21 fighting Ijl - 132:29 ' -'M'CA- ' ' ' X*': ' W' 210:20 21 1I2 212:9

.

XP@ I I50

:1. 151J3, 151523 zjziç4 ajaza05:22 f

ails (:1 - 29:7 figure I4I - 53:14

,

'

' .

151:24, 152:1 I165:4, zjila;? 21::1 2j::6

,

xperts (1I - 21 :19 failure I2) - 29: 1 1 . 181 .1 3 1 82.21 ' '

. . .(6s:1($, 16621 2, z2(;:j 5 aztirja

xplainpl - 57:3 21 z:16 217:22 . .

jtzrj-/., j ysrzz, zzag:j zzrjs ztsyztj2

:10.227218 faira - 68:1 1, figured I1) - 41 :19 , ,

208:24, 2o9:s, 209:9, nrsjlj . zz:1:$xplain Ils;

14:21, 68:22 ,183:23 file (431 - 2Q:19

,

29:91 z1():4

,

zj 4;:.,., fjt pj

,.y,:46:8

,

118:21. 135:6, fairly 4z1 - 34:10

,

30:7 30:16j 31:8, z14:1 a

,

2j.;'rj s, tyve (jjj

jzii.j aj r:$,39:1

,

146:12, 7::8 ,1 :3 :51 :10 49:22 5(5:za

,

v

, , . zj.;:j6 zjgrj:51

:10, 178:7, 179:5 faitN k) - 8:16 57:3 60:9

,

60:10, ' ' 49:6. 65:24 72:6

' ' 221 :4 221 :6 221:9 ' '

184:15, 190221. fall (fI - 132:22 60:18

1

87.3,92:31 ' ' ' 108:3, 125:191 181:2,

221 :12, 222:10 zj:$:8 a4l :784

:16. 204:19 falls (1j - 180:13 92.4 94:17

.

1Q0:11, ' , jjjjuustera

1 3:508

:1 242:4 familiRrpl - 205

.

16 103:1 2 104:6 104:7 ' SVP-YPSV* (11 -

, , , , jarjtj jasrj

explained pl - 235:6 : 3s:13 106:1 1()::9 109:s ' 181:2

. . , ' fijjed (j1 - 69:1993

:18, 243:21, 252:9 Familya

1 :13, 1 10:1T. 1 1626 flesb $1 - 12:4

, gillingl) - 217:1 7 fjoora

z4:1()xplaining pl - j:14 2-

59:6 140:1 1 , t46:l 6, .

, tijm jj) . 244:64:11

farlTm - 15:23, 2821. 146:18. 146:19. Z4:11, 243114

final z - 56:17, jrjoortsj

-

2:6xplanation I1l - :s():s :$4:3

,

z5:17, 14z:4, 14z:9, 147:48,

, aary, ,:;(a, a:$:j5, y:j ogjyjj

rrjs3:12 77:12 .327:4

,

156:23, 147:231 148:9, Y

, jysgj-;, y4.y.r(;, j4.yrzy zgjy rjr4 ryy, sjg

,

xplanations (1I - 188:6 .,91 :8 204) 24 1s1 :21

1 sars, , , ,

, , finalae Ij1 - ôs: 1 :$

.

241 :0 219:7

,

:t19:17, 250:3 157:1 31 165:1 73 3l1 1 , 3:12, 3:13, 5:24,

loittll - 230:16 fashitln (1l - 148: 1 170:3

,

208:1 7 221:24 VRZCS t11 - 5Z:10 6:1 6:2 6:1:$ 8:12exp , . . ,

l itation (1I - fast (1 1 - 241:12 file-share (jl'

-

31 :8 ficzNff U1 - 230721 1 1 :21 12:3 13:3xp o

, , ,

.

L I Z A ( : HA P N , C C R , RM R ( 7 7 5 ) 3 2 3 - 5 4 9 2




n .

.... 11- ;

,

. )

13:22, 14:1. 1423. 255. 19

.

258: 1 243

.

6, 244:10. 250. 1 7 G 246:191 255:21, 1

72 1 18:F 19224 folder (131 - 3029 foundation (1 71 - 25673 259:1 1

20:z. 2or1o 20:14, a7:2 :$7 s Jo()::$ 35 1a

,

36:2 36.16 oambieq,l - s6:z oivenlll - 2 8

.

1 1

35: 14, 35: 16 35:20 1 19: 1 0 1 1 9'23 89 1 8 142: 1 5 26 1 0 26: 1 3 28:1 8 glasses j1l

229.1 1

36: 1 36.6 42:4 149: 10 149:14 14:5223 196:23 55:23 56:3 56:24

, Glogaueqll - 46:4

44:21 I 5228, 52: 1 (), 1 49:1 5 ) 50:8

.

1 50 ) () ) 9.7 22 209

.2 1 57: 1 3 58:2 58:8

, goal I41 - 1 1: 12

2: 1 7, 53: 23 55: 1 2, folders 11 s) - 3 1 29

.

2 1 :5. 12,2 1 4:22. 58: 1 1 58: 1 9 61 :8

,

181 :1 2 1 81 :21

55' 1 B, 63. 1 9. 63:23, 37:7

,

48 20.48:23. 235:31 254 14, 254

.17 61 :21 62: 1 1

,

62: 15, 1 82: 1 8

63:24: 67:9 67:1 5, 48'24 94:4 94:18 foundational (3$

63:3 63:61 74: 1 2 golng-forwaTd pj -

69: 16, 69:21 I 7 1 :23. 95

.

18 97:2 1 00: 1 5, 42 9. 20322 1

209: 1 9 84.2 85:9 86:24

1 243:6 244:1 0, 250: 1 7

3: 16, 73.20 73:24. 1 1 8: 1 9 1 18:24 four 11 1 l

8721 32 '8 87: 1 9 1 220. 9225

1

Govemmenkzl -4

:22, 79: 10, 79:14, 1 1 9: 1 1 1 43: 1 2 1 50:6 33:9 65: 24

.

8 1 :231 92:7

,

92:8. 92: 1 1 . 24:1 7 192:23

80: 1 I 80:91 8 1 : 13, folks 11 I - 1 30; 1 5 1 1 8:24

.

144:23. 92: 14 92:22 93:22 govemment (431

81 : 15, 89: 13, 90: 1 , follow 11 I - 1 6:2 1 1 55: 1 1

I

1 55: 14, 1 1 6: 1 71 1 1 8: 1 5 1 6:23 1 7:3

,

:7:41

: 17/ 93: 1 5, 93:16, followi ng Ic)

193:5. 1 76:71241 :6 1 1 9:2

,

1 1 9:4, 1 50.91 54:4 54:8

,

66.21 ,K

:1 1 , 1 07:1 4, 24 1 :1 9 fotlrth I1I

1 77124. 150: 1 1 67: 1 8 79: 16

,

80: 10,07

:1 7, 107: 19. follows 4I - 22:3

, fragment,s j1I - games (4I - 25:1 51 81 :21 82:3 82:20

108:1, 108:6, 108:12, 1 z4:1 5

, .

2c3:3,226 1 9 :?1 a.7 2s:19

,

85:23, 1 1 '?. 1 1o1 :2

,

1Q2:8,1()3:g,08

:16. 1 15:2. footaga i )

48:5 ffame f& - 1G:4, gateway I1) - 71 :16 107:6

,1 1211 , 1 12:3, 17

:12, 1 1 7:18, Forcqa j

68:18. 243:20. 243

.23. general pl - 68:24

,

1 1 2:14 112:22, 1 F

:19, 1 21 : lv 121 :6, z24:s 2:24:14 225

.

1 , 244:41 250:24, 252.8 1 13:15

,

251:17 1 14:6, 120:3,120:22121

:8, 125:5, 125710, 225:2 2;?s:a

,

253:24 framest7t - 28:2. Generallylzl - 75:1

.

126:24, 127:3.25

:15. 126:7, Forda - 1 76: 15

,

1 10:3,1 10:4, 1 10:7

,

252'1 128:11

129:14, 30

:10. 132:4. 132.61 1-:6:1 15 I z6:1a 1 jtlrj 9

,244:3,24425 generally Ia; - 10:23

.

130:7. 130:15,32

:15, 1 33:7, 134:2, forefront I1I

2O7 16 frank I11 - 244:2 146:14

1251:22 130:181 130:20,34

25.136:31 136:16. foregozng (aI

frankly In - 15:9, generate (sj - 5/:9

,

133:12, 13873. 141:4,3621

1137:8, 137:91 ::0 .2: :?5g:j 2 1 zj

,:5, 1 z6.5, jg4rz(), (p:21 j 5(j:2j

,

185:g, 1s4:9, 1ô0r23,38

:101 138:12 ' ' ;

t:$j,:1 j 244::: z5z:1 ' 199

:17 2g0:2 200:3, 259:14 , .

, I42:14, 143:22, îor

ejgrl Ia) - 44. 1 8, 251 :2û generated I3l - 50:6

,

206:4. 2232255

:4, 1 55:5 155:9. r

fraught (1j - 241 :3 99:14 185:4 governmental (7) - ' 77:22 71 23

160:4 160:8 162:17

,

'

'

g7:22 9a:9 104:15 . forensic I6) - 206:3

,

Fremonyl - 234:21 generates (1) - 56215 . ,

I62:22, 163:6, z

ayjx, . zlrj:6 qenorating pj . 1Q6:4, $*:13,06:9, 221:2, 221:121 Fç67

:1 9, 168:1 . 172:4 1 '/r

srl j 2,4:9 221 :17 ; 22:7 friend I1I - 44:6 103:3

.72:6, 1 73:9

,

174:81 '

cab I,) - 173:14orensiç-related 1 11 - Friendlya - 77:24

, generaticm 1çl - 974:1 1

,

189: 16

dually (zI - 26:19, 221:1 2 78: 11

,

234:21 177:24 91189

:20, 192:15,

41 22 42:2

I

forensics l1I - front (sI - 1 7:18

.

gentleman 14I - 9:12 ,92:18

,

198:22,

oraduallylll - 26:1705:23 72:12

,169:19. 178:4, 17:18

,

17:23, 225:1799:1

.

1 99:5, 201:8, f

oruet i51 - 38:4 243:12 gentlemen llq - graduatepl -01

:11 ,201 T16 'e '

' 81 :22, &k:7, 88:8 fruition I,I - 228:1 1 20: 15

.

126:12 175:15, 1Z5:17, 176:601 :17

,202:10. '44

220, 1 53:15 Fryqzl - 5:16

,18:T, Geœge (11 - 176:21 graduated I2l -02:1 5

.

203:10, '

jzsrj w .rl() 57: 1 2, 1 6 1 : 16 169:1 1 Giaogongtzl

.

09: 1 1 T 209: 1 3. f

orgotlsl - 21 i5$1 fostlll p) - 212:10 175:1 1

.

175:$2 geantm - 1Tfk$5,09:15

,

212:2, 212:71

Forfqll - 68;15 fuf p - 31:9

,

31:10. gigabyte (1I - 21 5:8 1T6:2213:4

,

214:20.

form (q - 68:16, 85:14

,

101:23, gigabytes ln - granted (2l - B2:8

.

215:16, 215:19,

68:20. 128:1 8. 103:21

176:4. 32:22

,

33:5, 96:4, 82:2316:15

1

215:29.

139:19 18:221, 20922 246:21

,248:23, 96:6 135:2

6

215:6, granting (21 - 11:22,18:19

1

218:22, ' '

formall'/ (11 - 247:9 25921 2 21 5:f 4 83:1522:14

,

223:17,

formatlll - 128:15 Fultl) - 31:13 gistlll - 251:17 Scaphiclll - 24:123:24

,

224:7,

formatian (1) - function (s) - 152:3 given (:$:1 - 14:23

,

Gray(91 - 46:2, 46:6,24:1 9

1

224:23. '

228:16 152.4, 152:7, 179:10

, 15:2, 20:5, 46:10, 64:23, 86:14, 159:3,25:19, 225:24

.

formed (al - 228:24

,

179'23, 212:10 67:23

,

68:19, 68:20, 159:$6. 160:15.26:4

,

226:8, 226:10,

238:8, 245:2 functionalities (11 - 83:4 83:9

,

107:10. 160:17, 290:2036:7

,

240:24, 241:2, '

fonnerlll - 52:22 179'9 119:13

,120:18, greatlz) - 176:20,41 :16, 241:21

forming (2) - 164:21, functionalik (1) - 128:9, 129:3

.

129:9, 227:2147:17, 248:8

,

228:14 17û 13 130:12

.145:12, Gre9 1 - 69:2349:15, 250724

,

forth I11 - 182:22 ftlnctions I51 - 146:6

,

160:3. 173:12, ground (1l - 22:2453:18

.

253:23,

forwardl(8I - 15:12. 128 14, 1Z9:12, 203:20, 232:1 1

. grounds I41 - 81:10,54:1 , 254:131

'

254:j6, 2s5:9v 127:22, 137:3, 179 13, 1-0 :17, 232:121 24Q:15

, 2G4:2, 214:24, 255:$:

'

zssrla zssrls 202:21, 239:14, 179.22 241:21, 243:10

,

groupz - 45:16,





..- . . 12

/ ' '-h

50. 16, 72.4 145:4 26:20 48.9 85. 17. highest I2 - 12.8. 201 .9, 202:121 60: 19I 66:8, 109:13

145'6, 1 93:1 9. 250: 1 3 1 062231 1 06.24, 1 53. 1 5 202.1 5, 2031 1 0, 1 16: 1 91 1 16:24,

.

grow 11 ) - 243. 1 l 1 38:8 2t)5: 7 205. 1 7 Highlands ( 11 - 22' 10 207 1 9. 209: 1 1 I 1 1 9:2 1 , 139:3. 1 39:9

guess (sI - 43:1 223: 1 2'51 (23 I4ire l2l - 236:24, 209.1 3, 209:161 165:5 197:191

84: 1 , 1 26:6. 1 26:8. head 61 - 1 32: 1 0, 25 1 2 1 212:2, 2 1 3:4, 2 1 6: 1 6, 21 7:1 5, 238: 1 2

1 31 : 1 1 32: 1 9 1 33:2, hired ;6j - 26.9. 21 6'20. 2 1 8: 1 7, hundreds (al -

guessing (:) - 42:6 154:1 7 1 66:13 139'3 206:6 21 1 : 1 3 224:4 224:22.225:6, 63: 12 91:19 91 r22

Gurlgalfl - 243:1 1 1 77:12 2t;J '6 251 : 1 9 225:151225:19, 92:1 0 92:13. 108:21

guy (1I - 1 1 2220 header I2) - 151:23. hiring (a - 245:61 226:12 229'10, 132:22 142:3

guys I1) - 257:21 152:1 251 :22 229:13. 229:22, hud (1l - 108:14

heads I2J - 133:9. history I1) - 222:5 231 :7, 231 :13,

136:2 hits Ial - 6s: 17 231 :24, 23228. '

H . I

l'lear 1141 - 13:11 . 65 21 66 5 232'101 233:7.

Naclzq - s71s s:4, 19:1 . 23 5, 69:23. Holdpl - 79:17, 233.1 11 234:2, 23416, ideatxj - 12:11

,

'

79:13 91:1s 12s:14, 9o 24 144:1 235.2, 235:16, zs:6 x :($ a7:16

,

(5:21. 7:s , , . , ,

Haleljl - 2.4 132:1 1. 135:61 holdlz) - 92:17

1

23.5:201 236:61 8r:çg 88:14 9g:5

half (o1 - 123:17, 135:1 1 , 1 73:241 92:23 239'24, 241 :161 g6:a 9s:1 9 97:1

,

:2f5r1s 128:9 201:13. ?13:5. 213 13 holidays (t1 - 34:19 242:20, 245:191 99rja j()2:1 102::1

130:12 238:5 238:8 bfardllsl - 16:22. hometzlh - 38:7

.

245:21, 247:8, jozrz 1o3rg3

,

la :jj

Hallowaytll - 78:9 19:2, 105ê8. 125'6, 38 22 43.4 64:2 247:14. 247:17, 104:2 104:12 1:5

.4

128:56 1 29:13, Homez - 58:3

,

84:8 249:1 5, 249:20, 1()z::B 1 1 5:5

and (61 - 22:24 , .

129:14. 138:20, uonestly (1) - 184:21 251:1, 253:?, 253:18. jx ljo 155:x

,83:4. 200:15, 229:5, .

139:9. 1 40:19, sonorltssl - 5: 1 1

I

254:3. 254:1 4, 255:9, 1 5::: jsarzj32

:2 ' ,

168:18, 193:23, slgtl 6:j 6.j s .:22

,

255:14. 255: 17I j6ljrx j(;:: 14

anded t I - 161 :10 I . , . ,

206:15, 208:10, 223:2 8:4 a:; 8r16)

,

9:1:$, 255:14, 257:12, 166:14 167:16 228:6

handle (sj - 82:24 , . , ,

lw aring gn - 5:7, 1c:1 1 1 ():22 j 1 :1 r) 257:24, 258:1 ideas p) - 185:9

1Q2:14). 141:6, . , I

21 :3 22' 16.202:8. g j zj : :$

.

2 1 3rj.;j Honot's (2l - 172S. jdentical I11 - 243:24

180:19, 180:21 œ . , ,

225:1 1 I 225:16, 1 3 22 14.20 1 5:1c 241 :17 kdentification in v

xandled ( 1 - 1 41:6 . , . '

256:17 a 2 Honorablep) - 1:7 .0:1 2:$0:2 g:$8:2z

Kandles I1I - 148: 18 17:13, 1 T:20,1 : , , ,

' Nandling (11 - 80:13 Heacingltl - 1 :20 18:7 1 8:1 () j8; 14 bonored (1l - 9:5 245:22 24.22:

, , , 4 '

Hearsaylm - 42:5, 2a:1, z()::$, z(,:16, hookedllj - 1 14'23 2s:$:6,2s4:12anovecll

2:9

189:20. 209:14. 20:24 a1 .6 22:15 ho> I2 - 131:21, jdentified (2j - 234:7

appy I41 - 19:9, , . . ,

9:24 127:15 128:4 214122 23 14 23

.

19 24.5 1?3:1 234:18

1 , v . . ' '

hearsay (101 - 42:7, 24.14 24.24 25 4 hopeful I1l - 10:15 identifies Ij) - 16:15

ardtll - 108:24 ' , ' ,

42:B, 45.4. 52:81 25:8 35214

,

42:4, hopefully I1I - 2023 identify tq - 45:1 1

hard t4n - 33:4 , ,

52:10 52: 1'? 189: 17, 42:10 44::1 5::1 7

,

Hopefullylzl - 22:18, 1 24:19 222:8

33:7 34:7 36:4 ' ' ' ' , . ' ' 189

:21 225:9 253.14 69:17 69:21 79.9 1 55:5 238:24 243;23

,

244:46:24 37:2 45:21 ' ' ' ' ' ' ' '

heart (:?) - 12:17, 7g:1() 80:7

,

80:1 2, hospital I11 - 201:6 identifying I11 -8

:18.51:6 51 :7 ' '

15:17 80:18 81 J1 3 93: 1 5 hostlll - 66:7 243213ï

:8, 51:23, 52:1 , , ' '

z:.g.1 w gz j (g:r), held (1 I- 180:9 107:1 7 1 o8: 1 , 108.6, hourt6l - 43:12, identity I<) - 44:23

, . , '

108:17 1 09:2 1 1c:2, help (4I- 242:3. 108:12 1 17: 1 3, 162:51162:13, 7s:3 z6:8

,

:2:3

, ,

1 I

245:1 245: 1 1 . 251 :14 1 1 7:18 1 21:7 219:13, 219:15, 259:9 ignorance tj) -10

:13 1 17:2 , ' '

1z1 :16

helper I2) - 60r12

,

124:18 125: 10, hours (71 - 50:4, 169:1 3 18

:22, . .

121 :1? 123:1 123:4. 60:1? 125:15 125: 16 107:16.169:51 jë pj - 1 :1 9

23:6 '40

:7 143:18, helpful I11 - 214:5 127:7, 127:169 128:5, 219:17, 237:23, ilkllj - 245:14 . .

l44raz 14s::$ helping a - 73:8, 130:10. 1 31:9, 133:9, 246:23, 249:1 image Is) - 1 76:3

,

' '

:8:: 245:12 133:18 134: Jtl bousex - 54:4, 177:7 f 8j:z jé;6ra45:15 155:1 1

. , '

, ,

155:15 157:9, helO 3l - 91:6. 134:16, 134:24. 64:1ô, 64:20, 64:23. jazrll 1g1:1

j 5./:.1 :$ j 5a: j j 91 :1 3, 231 :2 136: 16, 1 38: 16, 196:21 jmages (s'1 - 27: 1 7

,

158:12 161:1 170:6, Hpnnessy'i'Fl - 142:15. 143:24, Howardll) - 2:4 2a:2 28:4 js4:a

193:s 216:4 217:1s, 224:7. 224:16. 150.24, 155261 Htmllzl - 150:14, imagination I$I -

219:2 p1f).1 9 225:21 , 226:2, 226:3, 159:24. 161 :21 , 150:15 24:$:9

z1 rkzj z4j : .j 2 226:4, 226:5 162: 1 8, 1 67:1 9, Huangtl) - 121 : 1 9 kmagine (1 I - 128: 19

hard-and-fast (1) - herebl ($) - 259:6 167221 . 168:1 , 168:3, Hugolj) - 136:20 imagined I11 - 12:12

24j rj 7 high (9 - 23:23. 168:24. 469:21 . human l'n - 177:1 1 , jmbedded ($I

146:1

uard-coded (11 - 23:24, 175:1 I196:71 171:13. 17226, 178:1 1 178:18, jmmaterial (1l

l4crz 196:12, 205:4, 172:12, 173:5, 173:9, 179:1 179:7

.

2:8:7, z:$6:ja

.

Hardwarez - 29:7, 208222, 227:10, 174:5. 1 83:17. 208:16 edute z

.

imm

29210 227:22 184:10, 184:23, hundred (161 - 54:23. js:z4 4:2:

'

' -

highel'lll - 208:13 189:16 198:23 s7:13 s7:14 58:9 '

hardware (1 1) - , ' , . ' impending 1 -





.

.

x. 1a

1 5: 1 5 infomlation 1311 .. 205:8 1 58; 16.1 58; 1 8 issues îj 11 - 1 2:1 7,

implementing (1j - 1 22 1 0 1 22 1 I 12:1 9 interaction 1) - 98:9 1 58:20 1 59:3 13:3 1 5:2 1 6:5 1 6:i$ , . . . . $ , y I

105:21 14:6. 1 4:1 8 1 7. 1 interactions t1) - 1 59: 1 1 s 1 59:231 19: 13 91 :7 126: 1 2

implication (1 I - 20.5, 2022 1 , 27:3. 98.14 160:2, 1 60:2 1 , 1 27.8 1 83: 1 51 242. 1 1

135:9 27:6. 28'22. 29:6. interest I6I - 77:22. 160.24, 1 62' 1 2 iterations $I -

imply I1I - 21 7:1 2 77: 14, fI7: 1 3. 98:1 1 , 77

.23 129: 1 1 1 72 6 166: 16 1 52: 1 0

importance I1I - 125:4 129:3 135: 1 5 239:14 243:16 investigating i1l - itself tB1 - 8::3

47:14 140:20, 140:22 interested l7I - 129:7 128:24 148:7

importantlzq - 151:14, 151 r16 1 1 ' 10 16025 168

.7 investigation I3l - 151 .17 163:17

168:7, 225:20, 154:16, 168:8. 170 8. 16:

.

9 168:1 1 44:19, 124:201 129:22 197:61 236:91 236:11

24221 1 249219 175:14, 203:20, 168 1 3 244:9 investmenttzy -

impossible (3) - 221:14, 221:1 8. interesting I2) - 227:22

,

243: 16, J

14:23.216:61 243:22 221:19, 252.4 126.1 3 135:1 244:9

,

244:12

impression f lj - infrastbructurq I61 - interesG pl - 14:24 investments (1 I - jacket (11 - 243: 13

j21.):9 26: 19, ; 8:24, 32:5, j 5:4 22z:7 Jakopjqlx

zra,

improper (1I - 89: 1 8 63: 14I1.9:5, 84: 1 9 interface I3I - investor I1l - 245:8 3:3 3:4 3

.7 3:1()

initial (21 - 228:5, j 7::1 1 1 7937 1 83:8 investors (3l - :$: 1 1 3:1 2 3': 14 J: 1 5mproperly I11 - , ,

224:1 3 230:4 intedering I2I - 252:1 2

1

256:24, 257:2 1 1 : 1 21 :7 21 :23

inM epth I11 - 251 :21 initials I$l - 72:2 1 79 1 6 80: 1 () jnvited I1j - 1 77223 22:6' 23

:21 24:51

inadequate E11 - initiate I 1 - 83:22 intermediate Ië - invoke (1I - 1 7:14 25:8 25:9 36:1 1

235:3 injunf tion (3l - 56: 16 56:221 57:91 involved (281 - 1 2:8, 36:20 39: 1 1 42:9

.

inceptionlll - 57:24 168:21, 168:22, 70:20 147:4

9

147:23 12:19.14:21 14:24 42:24 46:13

,

52:13,

incidentttl - 49'8 253:13 148:5 20925 15:2

1

17:7, 24:18 52:14 53:1, 53:19.

inclined (11 - 162:9 Injunction Ial - 1 20, intemal IfJ - 221:8 58:10.58:11 , 60:171 55:11, 79:91 80:18,

include (3l - 21.1 3. 5:8, 167 :4 Internet l:I - 64:8

,

67:2, 67:20, 84:1, 89:12, 89:17, 90: 18,

17():1s, 192:3 inputs (1I - 66:4 'g'o 1o ztll 1 za:24

,

gs:15, 85:24, 86:4, 138:1s 1z8:19,

inoluded a - 20s:z, inquirzlll - 1s:2o zl :4 1 1:$:17 1 13:22

.

ô7:1s.az:la, 1 19:s 142:18 143:24

,

237:5 inquir/ (1I - 169:6 223'7 130:20 141 :8 1 90'8 1 44:8 1 44: 1 3

includes (1J - 71 :8 inside 41 - 1 46: 1 , internship (1) - 190:1 1 I 200: 1 , 144: 1 4 1 50:23

Including (3l - 146:4, 1 52:81 163: 1 7 176: 1 7 210:1 2 I 227: 18, 1 59:24 160:2

,

t 160:1 3, 160:14, inspectlzl - 83:61 interpreution (1) - 241 :10 174:1 8, 176:10,

160:1 5 83:16 242:14 involvementEtq - 183:9 183:17 1M :5

includingts) - 12:18 inspection (al - interpretinglll - 48:8. 48:13, 62:10 184:9 184:23

s6:14. 56:17 66:7. 42:19, 83:11 83:6 241:1 1 79:71 85:191 65:23 184:24, 189:18,

205:14 installed gl - 47:23 lnterruptll) - 21 1 :15 involves 41 - 12:16 189:23 192:14

lndian (1I - 26:3 47:24 interrupting I2) - 15:24.61:151 63:7 202:12, 202:14,

indicate I2l - 166:5 instance I11 - 225:4 171 '2 231 :2 involving (2l - 203:6 204:15 205:2

242:5 instead i1) - 229:22 interruption I11 - 132:221 133:10 207:18. 207:22,

indicated a - 8:6, instructed (2l - 93 12 Ip I6l - 70:23, 70:24, 207:23, 209:16,

153:1 7 214:23 21:13, 160.1 1 intervention (1I - 71 :1. 71:2, 71:6, 210:1, 210:21 214:5

inaicationlll - 8:11 instrucungldl - ls.4 142:1 21s:2o 216:23

individual (t21 - 97:1 1 lntrepid In - 230:9 iris I$) - 207: 1 4 21 8:16. 222:18.

1:12. 1s:2a, 105:14 instrucuonslsl - 231 .7, 2z2:1s

.

irrelevantpl - 223:16, 223:20,

'

236:12 256:8 226:22, 229:5 229:8, 10:3

.

122:22, 123:4, 7n:13, 17'ô:10, 234:20 239:3 240:7 , .

12z:01, 12s:s. 190:22. 20a:s, 2aa:9, 2s6:24 Isaa - 38:12. 40:19, 229:16. 229:19,

127:24 21s:z, 222:2, 208:22 introducez - s:a3

,

*l:ls 230:3, 231:6. 231:10,

222:3 integration (,) - z:1 Isa's E1I - 40:19 231:14, 231:23.

individual'st,l - 241:23 intreduced (1) - Isaservertsl - 32:24, 232:2, 232:7, 232:24,

122:2 integrity (11 - 17:16 227:20 33:2, 33281 34:13, 233:2, 23421, 234:4,

individualsz - Intellsl - 28:1z, intrudetll - 6s:7 zs:3, z8:1(L 39:1, 234:1/, 234:24,

17:41 101 :22, 124:191 5873 61:5, 70:22, intrusion (121 - 40:12, 135:3 235:23, 236:15,

1x :2() 1z:,:12 s4:8. 87:1:, ss

.

ls sz:ca ss:2 issuanceljl - 7.19 237:1 1, 2:$8:21

I I ' I ,

'

z4:1ô 23s:. intelligencetll - 9a 4, sa:1() 9ô:Ja issuetlsl- 7:,:$, 239:2, 2:$9:8, 239:23.

indulgepl - 13.23. 24:17 120:21,221:8

,

12:19, 15:1, 80:17, 240:51 242:19.

91:1s, 11 1:9 intelligenttsl - 20:22 222:19, 223:2

,

223:s. an:24, 91 :8, 93:13, 242:22, 245:15.

d 2s:14 intend I,I - 136:22 z.23:8 12s:3.129:17 245:19, 245:21,n ustry (sI

. ,

21::6 21 1:3 21 1:7, intentionality (11 - inventortt) - 2* :22 135:14, 136:91 24523, 24622,

' '

205:14 224:6 246:1 1, 247:12,

22::24 22::12 221:s inventory I$q - . ,

.

' '

224::4 242:12 247:21, 247:24, inference pl - 135:8 interpl - 205:8 158:1

,

158:2 158:3 ,

.

' '

issuedld - 6:z 248:6, 248:11,nquencepl

-

77:23 inter-computert: - 158:s 158:10

LIZA CHAPEN, COR, RMR (775) 323-5492




. ..x

.

1 4 vh

.

/ /

249. 1 3 249'20

,

keeps (3I - 44724

.

1 2 1 ' 1 3 1 88 1 5, Iatter (11 - 52:23 Librarieqll - 56:21

249:21 . 25 1 :4 50:8 86):2 1 1 88.20 1 89 13 Iaw tl 11

-

1 6: 1 3 Iiorary (3l - 147:23

.

f 253220

,

254: 1 1 , Kend1lII(3) - 3: 10

,

Krishnds 11 1 - 52'4 1 6. 1 7

,

1 73 24. 90:9, 148:7

.

148: 1 154

: 19, 255.5. 255:8, 203: 1 :,03

.9 1 24:6

.1 24:8. 1 24: 1 6. Libraryl) - 148:13

256:1 4 I 256:19 Kenny l1)

56.3 j

.

1 24:1 8i1 27:3. 1 29'20 license (1) - 230:15

256:21 257.5. kept jr 1

30'8. Lavqçl - 2: 1 2 light I2l

1 30:3,57

: 1 1 , 257: 1 9 33) 1 4 S''/'2 61 :23 I

ab 11 ) - 1 85'24 lawyer I41 - 1 07 1 1. 220:20

akopifls I11 - 242.3 1 16:9 1 19:4 1 1 9:6 L

aql; - 176:16 131 :23 174:3, 213:18 Iikely (11 - 19'22

alql 1 - 1 67: 1 5 1 19:8 1.56: 1 1 l

ack 11 j - 1 842 : 1a# l21 - 204:8. Iimited (3l - 1 2:3

1anuae lel - 39:51 key (4t - 31:4

,

82: 13 Iaoked t1l

45.4 209:21 20:7 210115

43:2, 49:1 50:1 1 , 82: 1 5 1 51 : 1 3 I

acking I1I - 35' 1 8 layman's (1 l - 1 51 : 10 Limiteqll - 1 :94

:13 96; 10, 1 44:2 1 , keyboard t1I - 40 1 3 I

acks (s - 42:5, 45:4 lead (1l - 257 1 8 limits Ij1 - 223:4

145:1G, 153: 1 8, keys 1; ) - 1 56: 17

I

1 42. 1 t5 1 4:$.22 leading 171 - 240.241 Iine (s1 - 1 02: 1 6

,53:19, 153'20

.

1 57:10 21 4 22 242:1

.

242:8. 242: 10, 102:24

,

130:16.57:21

,

18023, Kietzketl;

2:6 Iady (1

1 22:7 242:1 3, 249:161 132:18 146224t)1

:23. 216:3. 246:1 KiII(1j

1(1z:7 Iaz (2j . 151 r6

,

249:1 l Iines (401 - 58:10

,avqal - 150:144 kilobyte (:I

21 5 7 21 r:r J :$ Iearn I4I - 20:4

,

36.3, 58:24 59:16 60:6

,50215. 208:20 kind (2r

13.a0, kaçitqm - -fs:12

.

91:12, 227:15 6(3:1G

,

6G:221 61:2,a

yI8l - 43522

.44: 1 1, 16rjz 1 9.8 20:1 3 (jô 4 :9

.

: learned (2j - 24:2, 61:7

,

61:8, 61:15,3:21

,

112520, 1 1 3:2, 27:2 72 1 1 89:4 u

aaqzj - zr4j 2.6 125:18 62:8

,

62:1 5163:7,56

.

:11. 156:24, 99:13 1a ):1n

janguagella - leasttq - 7:24, 67:17

.

73:10 B8:11.57:23

1 14:24 126:13, 15().j: 152:14 15:23

9

18:6, 18:16, 88215 91:10

.91:11.@rlM2l

2:5, 233:6 126:20 171:17

,

15;?221 1z8:14q 36:17. 37:12, 126:2, 103:3

,

103:5, 133:10,1 xessi

q:l - 45:17, 178:23 179:1 1

,

j.rjiljs jazrja, 1s1 :6. 214:16 139.8

,

139:13.8

:12, 49: 10, 76:1 1 . 180:18

,180:1 9, 1 84:3 2()4:1g

,

Ieave a - 73:22. 139:18 140:16

,9:2. 123: 19, 150:4

1

185:7 1.55.10 186 7 x a: ($ zll?

,:j() 172:13,172:18 147:1Q

1

14-f:17,50

:6 186:1 1

,

186:J4, :08:22 236:9 Iefttlzl

22:241 169:22

.

170:12,

essie I1 - 150: 13 187:4 1,$7:23 207

.

2 Iangu'

ages (iq - 5::5, 34:21, 34:24 35:9. 179717 193:81

> 41 - 4Q:4, 45:1-/. 207:1 5 221:4 1 5c

: 1 6 j sljrlz 39:2, 40:6, 43:12, 193:12 19721 1

,9210. 150:4 kinds (91 - 27218

.

1z8:16 205:1 1 , 47:1 7, 107:1 1 , 197:12, 197120

' Jinks IzI - 150:6, 102:6 1:?8:1 3 2()s:14 2()a:1 3 107:20

,

212:24. 198:4, 198:12

150:10 148:21

168:19 208:20 218:2 229:10 Lineq4l

59:14,ob IsJ

-

6'22 25: 1 7 184:1 9 I 85:21 I

arge ta - 32:18 Ieft-hand 1I - 22:24 60:3 60:4, 61 :179

:2 30:5 1 80t 1 3 186:2 1 253: 1 2 :$:$

: , 21 s:.1 2.1 s'

:.I 4 lea E - 1 F/:12 Lin%sl - 146:1 3

ohql I - 226:5 knowirlg a - :?1 t

):1 7 a j a.(; 221 . j (; Iegal 11 1 - 1 08: 1 3 link I I - 148:20oined

jl - 180:2 168: 1 1 I'168: 1 3 l

-

aqa - 7:8 zr 1 2, Iegally 11 - 1 32: 1 7 Iist 11 11 - 45; 1 9, 46:7

,uögeB) - 133:9, knowledge 14zl - 7: 1 3 ueqlj

46:4 49: 16. 70:12 FJ:13196

: 1 8. 2 13: 1 9. 226:7 29:20 619:20 76:5

.

Iast (341 - 8:7, 1 7:8

,

lending I1J - 252 1 8 Z8:8, 7879. 78: 10,

udgqll - 1 :7 86:3

1

86:BI 86: 1 1 , 1 6):a z2: 1 3 m :21 Iength t1l

207:1 0 Z8: 14' 1 21 :1 1 , 256:23

judges (1I - 9: 1 9 87:6.98: 9. 98: 1 3, 25: j ô 28:1 s 37:21 Iess a

1 99: 1 3, Iisted (11 - 1 58: 14

udge: (1l - 1 3725 98:24, 961:1

,

99:9, 4s:3 4722:$ 48:1 9 109:16

.

1 j 0:4, Iisten I11 - 91 :13

udiclal j1, - 203:16 102:16, 1 03:8

,

4::23 s7:1 j (5::: 1j4:1z

,

jj4:15, lil. 4) - 23:1

udlciayal - 1 :5s 103:12, 10321 7, 99:19 1 1 o:1 1 j2:15

, 1 30.1 3, 21 9:,8 litecally I1I - 217:21

1 5:4, 259:5 1 04:1 8.104: 19, 1 13:f) 1z3:23

,

Lesqlj - 161:6 Iitigation I1l - 21 1:20

umptll - 181:22 1D4:24, 1W :29, 15'/:a3 162:2

,

187:7, Iettertjj .2o8:1a uzm j - 1:24

,

259:4,unction It)

254:5 1 14:14. 120:7

,

195:1 9 .9ô:z, Ievel (1s) - 16: 16

,

259:21uncture I1l

256:9 120:14, 156:4, 15978

1

1 9a: j 1 1 9::j 3, zj z

,

zjijrs, jzs:4, uqqx - j:9, 2

:$::9,

unqzl - 187:7 159:14, 1592164 19g:19 2()1:y0

jao:lg 15a:j5 23():1z zx:1R

utytsl - 36:7, 81:4j 1&t12. 167:9, 2o1 y22 205:24

,

194219 jx ::j, 1% :z, 232:16, 2z4:5

,$:s 2c,:'I4, 21z:19 199:13- 199:14, zkt.; $./ zz:ksz j9e

:12 :a n:17, zasa4, 237:22

,24:14, 225:2

,

225:3, 24j .6 2s1 :a x .

:4 x a:: ztla:j 3, 23g:4, 240:8

,

246223,35

:19. 239: 18, t

-

asja - ;B:g, 1œ 219 208222 248224

,

2>:24, 24::9

,

245:7. 245:1n, jate (4)

3g(5, 16s:7, levels (21 - 31 :1

,

256:2446

:8. 248:5, 259:16 1 '1 : z1a

:24 tsj :1o Iocal p1 - 142:24allurirzl - 75:1 1 . ,

know n I21 - 68:7, t

-

atesyzj - ,19:1 uabilstrj - j:: locatckdp - 111:125:14

,30:8 1 19 9 1 19

:23 149:8 lib Ij) - 147:23 location I2I

30:18,adhiklll - 75:8

. ' . .nows (N

59:23, gl j :j() 21 j:j 1 :44

:9 jjurarjes pj - s6:1 2

,

41 :19eep IGI - 10:18 , .

13::7, $G5.l -f. 165:22 latest p

j - 47:12, 56J14 56:16

,

56:20, Iocatitms l2I - 30:14,5:22, 37:8, 54:18,

I. xrlsjlnapj . sl :22 j4a : z14

:r) s.y.q j 4p4

,

ztlgij g4rjs6:3, 252:19 '

. .

. ,

:5

,

52:1 5, 101 :13

.

jatitude (1l - 160:3 2j4:11 Iockedll

31:3, keepiagtll - 181:18





..... x z

1 5 D

4olls 166:18 Iunch a - 162 5. managerlzl - 5.16, 198:6, 200:211 116:201 1 17:21150 8

Iog (lal - 31 :20, 35.1 , 25129 :.52:3 5.17118.1 1 210221. 203'24 213:181 microphonelzl - I ' '

35:4 35:8,40; 1 5. 23 ï. 1 5, 237.1 6. 235:12124229. 22:17, 22'20

5o.17 66:3 98.6 ?46' 1 9 244:20, 252:3 Microsoft I4l -

. ,

M

9::7.1 57:13 166'9. mannertzl - 149.6, meaning (11 - 82'23 27:13, 113:17, 139:3,

222:2 machirlepg) - 37 1

.

230 1'J meaninglesstsl - 147:1

Logll - 31:5 40:14 z.f)718 52:4 manpowertl; - 135.5 middleltl - 32:22

Logon ($I - 31 .5 61 .23 (;1 :24 71 : 1 5 244 24 means (41 - 31 :1 1 , miglzttlë - 48:12,

Loga(33I - 2.12 zl : 16 6,5:2 1 16.70 rnan f1l - 28:2 48E22 55:20, 196:8 1 17.5, 128:19, 143:3.

2:12, 5:20, 5:21, 6:2, J 17:2

,

1 17:31121 :23. maps l:l - 27:18 meanttll - 55:8 148:5. 152:131

7:1 8'5 8.ii 8:24 1-/8 12 178'13 March I3l - 255:3. measure I1l - 215:6 180:181 182:1 I 197:6,

9: 1 3 9: 16 9:231 1 78: 1 4 1 78:1 7 255 22 meclxanical (1l - 1 97523 202.5.

17:13, 22:15. 23:18. 178.

18 178:19. rnarklz) - 69.20. 29:1 1 208:19, 256:16

39:9. 209:19, 225:9. 178

.

20 178:21. 229 8, 245:20 media (5I - 84:71 military 114) - 51:6,

229:13, 232:10, 179:7, (98:6, 198:7, Marked (21 - 4:2, 140:11, 146:61 146:9, 65:91 65:1 1.65:18,

232:14, 232:17, 198:8 :,08:10, 222 8 247:21 148:8 65:20, 66:6. 66:141

232:21 , 234:6. machdnes (z3 - marked 1141 - 70:1

,

Media I4I - 597221 68:3, 68:14, 68:16,

234:11 , 234:15. 30:18 zk1:13

.

42:1. 229'6 229:16 230:21 59:241 60:14, 87:13 79:16, 156:181 166:91

235:2. 236:6, 236:8. 48:10 zk8:19

I

51:3, 232.17, 238:23. medical I11 - 206:21 1?3:11

238:24. 240:2. 241:11 s1:9 5:9:5 70:23

,

239:2, 245:221 medium lll - 210:10 Milken t71 - 78:151

24Z: 10 71 :'/ 7 ,1 : 1 2 72:2 245.

23 247:20, meet I21 - 1 24: 14, Z9: 1 ,79.31 79:21 .

Logals (11 - 6:18 94:16 6)8:15, 100: 1 . 253:3 253:5. 253:6, 182:18 00:3180:21, 8173

Iogged (41 - 32:12, 106:8, ,1 24:9, 189 2, 254:1 2 meeting (s) - 8:7

1

Milken's I1l - 79:7

1 16:3, 222:8 21 0:91 ;?1 7:7, 220' 1 marking l2) - 1 r>4'1 , 44: 1 0 125:8

.

1 37:5, million (141 - 109: 18I

logoing (1 - 222:3 magnetic ($) - 229: 1 3 1 71 :8 1 1 0:6, 1 10:8 1 1 0: 1 0,

Iogs (2I - 50:31223:5 21 0: 1 0 markings Itl - meetings (2) - 128: 1

1 1 0:16I1 1 0:2 1 ,

look (231 - 1 9:21 , mail (111 - 26: 18, 1 63.20 255:24 1 1 6:12. 1 39: 1 0,

40t 1 1 , 40: 1 8, 88:21 . 28:241 :52:4. 51 : 1 8. Massachusetts I41 - meef.s (1l - 1 9:1 5 21 5:7, 238:1 2,

89: 1 . 1 (h0: 10. 1 05:24, 5 1 '21 . t;4: 10. 64: 1 2, 6:3 ($'5 -J:3 7: 1 1 megabyte I1) - 2 15:8 238:1 9, 244: 16.

. p

.

'

1 10: 1 9. 1 15:21 , 97:1 5 Master (jJ - 1 75: 18 member I:q - 6:2

,

244:1 7

1 1 9: 16q 144: 1 5, mails j91 - 50:2 1 , Master.s (1I - 1 76:2 7:2

,

18: 1 1 millions I91 - 60:22,

144:22, 152:241 50'22 tQ: 16. 53:4. material 123) - 1 5:17

,

memory 41 - 33:1, 6229, 63:-/. 132:231

153:4. 156:201 53:7 5:$:8 53:9, 15:20 20:17

,

20:18. 33:3 33:5 33:6 166:16, 252:181

166:22, 159:19. 53:1 1 t$3:14 25:3 44:1 8 82:24

,

mention (1I - 54:8 252:22

169:20, 207:8. main 4l - 70:101 i83:3 83:10 83:20 mentioned (16) - mind (6l - 10:22.

21 1 : 18, 231 :1 9, 70: 1 1 '?8: 1 3 1 1 8 24 98:22 102:4

1

1Q2:7, 33: 1 1 M :1 3 47: 1 9, 1 1 : 16, 21 :6I 45:8,

232: 1 3, 256:6 maintain I4l - 26 24

.

1 02( 1 1 1 06.9 48: 14 84: 1 6

.

1 01 :1 3. 52:20. 231 :20

looked (16) - 39:21 . 69: 1 7 4$9: 1 8 83: 1 9 1 28: 17 130:1 8

1

1 01 :1 6 1 21 : 1 3, mindful I1l - 1 0:23

48:1 5, 48:17, 87:24. maintained I61 - 141 :6

,

141 :7, 141 :8, 123:22 124:6 mine I11 - 1 11:2

88:24, 94:24, 95:1 . 30:6 41J7 48:9 49:4 166:9.207:5, 253:12 128:18 141:1 9 mini (61 - 171 718.

99:23.1 1 0:1 3. 166: 1 5 1 66:23 Math (1 I - 1 82: 14 145: 1 7 146:12

,

156: 1?. 1 5729,

1 1 5:16, 1 16:3. maintaining 2) - Matlab (181 - 1 82: 1 3

.

21 4:8. 222: 19 1 5Z': 1 5. 1 58: 1 1 . 166:7

1 16:22, 164: 1 2. 30:3 223:1 1 ': e2: 1 4

.

1 85:8, 1 85:9, merged t11 - 13: 1 mini-trial I1I - 1 31 : 1 8

154:13, 165:2 maintenance I11 - 186:22 186:24

1

meritg Izl - 131 :19, minimtlmfll -

Iooking (141 - 43: 14, 48: 10 1 9o: 1 5 1 9o:j 9 1 71 : 1 2 244: 18

105:23, 126:10, majorp - 44:1 1 , 191:131 191:16. met pl - 227:23

1

Inlnority I11 - 81122

173:10. 190:8. j'Jsrl 3 '/s:16 196:1 1 196:20

,

228::$ p..e?a:4 minute (sI - 14:24,

190:11 , 198:1 1, majotity (1 j - 37:17, 196:22, 197:8. methodology I3I - 19:17. 79:18. 80:1 1 ,

207:5.207:14, z7:4 wrrl3 r/:1ô 197:14

,

j97:17, lzorzs zj()r.ja 21 1:.g 144:1

221 :18. 221:19, 78:s 78:14 81 :1 9

,

208:1 9 mottlods rzj - 30:9

,

minutes I4l - 14:1 ,

231:21, 233:5, 233:6 82:s 1t)j:j8 103.4 matterlq - 6:14

,

:s4:13 137:6. 163:9, 21320

Iooks (3I - 71 :3, 214:14 10:13

,

21 :1 1. 42:12, Miao z - 123:14

,

Miss I11 - 160:17

71:5, 100:11 malfunctionlll - 52:21

,

125:9, 204:14, 188:21 mlssing (164 - 43115,

loop I1l - 1 52:9 41 :20 2G4:1 5 Mjchael t1N

2:1ô, 121:15. 1 21:20,

Iostlaq - 29:9, 29:19. manjll - 218:8 mean (zq - 57:20

,

s:23 57:22 61:24, 122:21122:61 122:24,

217:19 252:21 management (al - 92:23

,

125:1, 131:1 , 76:9'78:15' 7g

:7, 12321 51 123:24,

low lll - 208:9 250:7 )?so:l 1 2so:12 131:21 151:9 85:6' 8s:: 8 5

:9 145:7, 158:14

.

lowerizl - 81:22, Mananement (31 - 160

.

17, 177:31 1 .1q.4 150:a

,

150:6, 165:21, 195:1 li

81:24 237:15 246:14 183:13, 193:22, 18a:1s 195:12. 198:16.

'

Iuck ($I - 130:24 248:1 8 194:19

.

196:11, Michael's a - 201:41201 :5, 201:19,

LIZA (ZI-IAPEH , C'CR, RMR ( -/7 5) 32 3-54 92




.

, ,. .

s.

.....

(L (E;

.

'

J î

/

217:17 217:23 230.20.234:22, N 70:9 70:14 70:22 nobody pl - 97:3,

f mistaketll - 167110 237:16, 238:141 71.4, T1:1 1, 71:16. 173:2. 231:20

mistaken I2I - 239:4. :,39.5, 239 7, namepzl - 22:7

,

84:18, 84:21 85:14, Nonetsl - 35:16,

125:11 , 125:16 240:7,:'40.18. 22

.

1 1 22.13 22: 14, 97:41109.13, 149 16. 106.8 1 16.1 5

misunderstood t2) - 246 17. 247:5, 23:9 30:19 75

.

8 217:81 223:2 145:13 149:15

193:24 1 94:18 248:22, 249:231 84 7 88:8 92'3 Netpzorkpl - 31.T1 none I51 - 31:9 36:1 .

mixed I1) - 144 24 255:19. 256:3 121

1 1 123.14 70.4, 70.21 99:24, 100:1, 102:11

modelertli - 25. 16 Montlpomery's (161 - 142 9 167:13 networking (31 - Noonlll - 171:20

modelingtll - 24:2 29:2. 5:$.81 97:1 1. 167:15 174:19 31:211 69:5, 205:9 noon (s1 - 4il:17,

models (1I - 150:1 1 9B'12, 98:18, 101 19, 174:20 175:211 networks I21 - 64:14, 125:3 131:14 137:5.

modifiedlsl - 31:1 1, 104:22, 106:3. 188:131189:5, 203:71 70.9 162:13

48:20 48:22 149:1z 1 14:12, 121:3 226:23 Nevadallsl - 1:5. normal 2) - 93:5,

I I p

#

24 j :5 1 22.1 9, 1 32: 1 0. names yl - 46:91 1 :9 1 :22, 2:6, 2:1 4, 256:1 2

modiàing (1I - 103:5 132:19, 133:2. 21 1 :6I 94:1T 95:6 95.18 5:1. 6:7, 7:6, 172:1 normally (2I - 191 :5,

modulize 1I - 245:3 Nanyanga - 1 76:51241 :13, 259:1 , 210:5

14a:14 montla I2I - 176:18, 175222 175

.

23 259:5.259:18 Northem yl - 175:9

momenttq - 19:12 176:19 narrowing (11 - Nevada-renotl) - 175:10 175:11

j ,732 j 1 fs: 1 z months (41 - 32: E$ 53: 1 3 176:5 note (31 - 25:4

: , :

220:10 233:7 255:10 41:18. : 17:18. 21 7:21 Natlll - 70'21 nevery4l - 41:9, 125:6 182:5

Monday I11 - 46::s morningp-q - s:4, nationallal - 14:23 43:13 43:18, 43:19. noted (1I - 25:6

money paj - 47:9, 5:11.5:14, 6:1, 6:11, 15:3 129:10 47:17, 62:10, 66:20, notepad (1I - 57:8

47:16 s4:1 s4:4 1 1:21 . :59:2. 39714. nationalsla - 26 4

,

67:3, 67:23, 69:1, Notepadill - 153:1

s4: jtj g(;:.; 1 5a:22 40:5, 4:$:23, 43:24. 44 : 1 8 73: 14, 75: 1 7, 76:2, notes 2I - 259: 1 0

,

23::10 238:14, 47:1. 48:21, 48:24 naturetsl - 12:5

,

79:20, 80:20. 80:211 259:14

238:20 244:23, Most 31 - 26.22, 14:18 15:2

,

15:20, 83:8. 86:19, 87:20. nothing (1zj - 18:23

.

2sz:f) zw r 1 :$ 1 81 : 10, 1 90:24 24 1 :22 93:241 94:22, 1 10:23, 51 : 1 1 e4:z' 1 1 3:1 7

2s2:1s 252:20 most l'rl - 12:8. Navintal - 188.15

,

1 19:13 120:9 1 15:1s 115:1z

252:21, 252:24, 253:1 12:9, 1zl:5I25:1 3, 188:20 120:18, 120:20. 1 j s:23 1 16:4

,

1 16:7,

monitora - 40:12, 25:17. .10:8. 43:20. Navytj - 2()6:J3 122:17, 123:23, 116:10 1 19:j2

,

.

.

% : j () 64: j z 1 1 0: 1 I I 45: 13, 1 54:6, near (z) - 33:10

,

1 24: 1 1 , 1 30:21, 1 33:2 1 92:1 4

,

2a):a, ' l

.

Montgomew p11 - 175:3. 182:12, 72:24 133:15, 135:6, 203:20 218216

,

zs6:4

1:12 1:13 1:13. 1:14, 185:18.194:9. necessarily (2I

149:19. 164:23, Nothinga - 219:8

.

1::4 8:22 13:1s 194:23, 250:21 16:1 160:s 166:21, 193:21, 22z:15 24a:1z

4:19 1s:19 24:16 mostly I:) - 1 1:10 necessarytll - 18:6 193:23 194:2 213:2, ticed p)

38:1z ' . ' ' DO s

26:2 26:3 29:21 motherlll - 167:13 (j xj

1 j;23 251:20.254:4, :$():1($ :s)19 4::8

. . ,

r , ( I , , , .

30217 31:5 31:14 motitlnllzl - 13:6, 19:3 4c:2 60:z 71:1 255:21 255:23 46:j s4ij./

. . I , I , .

1 '

,

31:17 a3:20, 34:9. 13:8. 13.9. 13.1 1. w :21 125:8 131:3

,

255:24 twitjwundinq (1j

, . .

no

40:22 43:9 43:1 1 13:12 13:21 18:21 1:$1 :5 j36:1z 13-/:6 Neveqzl- 73:13, j:$:$:1 1

12a:16 1as:1 l44rs' 14a

:s

'

148:a ' s8:l u

ovembera -3:1s. 44:lz, 46:6, , ,

46:15 M :1, 54:3, 186:16:192:6 14829 16a:19 new (31 - 50:15, 49:2:$ z:$1218 247:2:$

67:17 68:22, 73:20, Motion (11 - 144:12 169:12 181:13 193:3,121:15 jyertlgj

50:3, . . num

78:4, 78:1 2 81:14, Motor (2I - 176:1 5. 1 :1 :14 l8j :2z

.

Nexttll - 182:12 s9: 9 (jj:zz a6:j:s

82: 16, 97:22. 97:24, 1 76: 1 8 1 81 :24 1 82:1 1 82:4, next 1221 - 72 14I 3527, x :4 y (M:6 jc8rx

98:10 101:23 m0VeI% - 35:20. 182:8 182:15

,

39:2, 39:17, 40:14, jjors 1 1z:z 15z:9

,

1oz:1 120:21 19::22. 2oJ:s, 213::4 226:e 2s1:2a

,

2s6:6, 122:1s, 122:22, 2x : 9 2(v:9 21s:6

,

125:21, 125:24. Move I11 - 143:22 257:15 123:1 1, 123:13, 221:j6 244:1:$

$32:21, 133:8, moved (4I - 49:18, neededlq - 7:20

,

159:1, 172:9, 183:1, wersg

49rz4,um

$33:14, 133:21, 84:11, 1M:13, 84:18 83:5 194:17 251:15

.

202:3, 202:20, jzarzz

134:8, 136:22, 138:2, movie I21 - 87:4, 252:10

,

257:12 226:13,25325 numerom (41

153:1 1, 1 53:20, 243:1 1 needs (2I - 1 1:14

,

nice UI - 108:12 z()s:14 zj 1 :g

j

153:24, 162:10, movies 1, - 27:18 21:18 ni9ht(51 - 14:16, 21a:1 2 z2.I :21

164:6. 169:17. 1 88:5. moving I1l - 186'4 negotiations (1) - 34:23, 35:6. 39:5, Nvta - 1 :24

,

259:21

190:14, 190:17, Mp3(?1 - 148:17

,

241:9 43:20

190:22, 193:21 , 148:1 8 networkpzl - 26:19

,

nighted I21 - 6:91 O

203:16,212:17, multiple (4I - 34: 1 1

31 :10, 32:5,40:18. 6:1Z

212:22, 21 315, 213:6, 54:21 54:22 220 2 40:20 63:14 63:17 nine I2I - 51:181 .

.

, . , , I o clock pl - 34:22,

224:9, 227:24, mystery E1I - 15.9 64:5, 64:13.65:2, 242:10 245:17

,

257:1 1

.

228:21. 230:191 6t;:1 1 65:16 70:7 ninety 11 - 219715

, . , oath (21 - 44:20

L I Z A (- HA P E N , C'C Ft , RM 11 ( 7 7 5 ) 3 2 3 - 5 4 9 2




..,.

, w

17 )

object 1321 - 7:23. 234. 1 3 I 247: 1 0. 1 2 1 : 1 8. 1 2321 3 operations I1l - 68:24, 1 1 6.231 1 79:23

( 8:2 24:1 5 101 :3 247'1 1 . 247 13 254.4 125:2, 1 25:20. 245:5 overheating (1I -

10J 56 1 01 :9, 101 '1 2. offict' 127) - 5:22 . 1 31 : 14 1 35: 1 6 opinion I41 - 204:21 29: 1 1

104:15 1 1 9.14. 6: 10I 7 81 7: 12, 7: 1 3, 1:$i':1 1 . 137:20

. 215:21 I 21 8:131 overly t21 - 21 :3I

1 28:22. 13 1 :24, 3Z:22 , 38 29. 38: 16 . 1 3916 , 141 :1 9. 236: 1 2 21 .4

1 32:3 1 61 :221 1 II'Y. 39'8, 3 3: 1 3. 39: 1 6, 143: 1 0. 143:1 4. opportunity I4I - overrule I1) - 45'9

181 :12.193.1 3, 39217. 41:17. 44: 1 , 145 5, 145:8, 146:241 T:24

,

144:151 162:1 1 . overruled I21 -

198:22, 199 22, 47:4, 47.6, 47:7, 1 ti1 :19. 154:241 227:22 36:1 5

,

236:1 3

200.1.201:8, 204: 1 I 54:14, 54 6, 72 19. 1 56210. 155.24 opposed I5I - 13

.9 overseeing (sI -

209:1.209:11, 77: 15, 127: 1 , 155 1 9, 1 b':4, 158:12, 1 59:51 52

.

23 91 :1 11 134:18, 250:5

209.13, 234:15, 158'7, 159.22. 1 59: 18I 160:9, 163:/, 221 :9 oversight (11 - 1 1 1:2

235:2 254:3 25425 161 :1 8 166.19 165'22 167:7 oppositlon $1 - overstatement I11 -

254: 13I 255: 1 3, Officelzl - 1 1 3: 1 '?'. 1 ($7: 1 2 . 1 85:7, 1 86:/, 253: 1 3 1 1 8: 14

255: 16I 256:9 139:4 1 87:23. 1 91 24, order (261 - 5: 1 5

1

overview (2I -

Objectlzl - 1 00:241 officer il 1 I - 5: 1 8, 1 92'3. 1 92.61 1 92: 9, 8: 1 7 9:7 1 1 :4I 1 1 :8I 245: 1 1 2502 15

236:7 6: 1 B, 26:23

,

82. 17. 1 93: 1 1 , 1 99.3, 2262'1 1 s: 1 1 7:24

.

J 9:8, own I1s) - 23:1 4

,

objecting I1l - 35.22 141 :3. 210:23, 212.9. 2084201 210 24, 19

10 19:21 I 21:16, 26:1 1 149:4

,

149:24.

objectionllq - 212:14 212:201 21 1 '2. 212:2,228. 19I 105:2

,

108:8, 1 27:2, 188:7 193:16 1 95:1

,

3s:14. 42:4, 52:8, 246:18 246:20 231:51 231:12. 12::12 127214

,

195:5 19527, 204:18.

52:1 0, 52: 1 7. 55:1 1 . officcs I11 - 72: 1 3 23 1 : 14, 231 1 7. 1 30:23 1 3626 1 36:9 238:5 238:8 244:24

.

79:9, K : B., 89.121 Officesp - 2:1 2 23 1 :19, 232:6 . 1 43:2 169:17

2(2:-f, 252:17 254:23

89:17, 90:18, 159:24. Officialpl - 25924 232:1T. 241.51 244:5, 2j023 21 1:23

1

212:10 owned 111- 230:19

189:16 214:20, official I1) - 224:14 244:7, 250:201 252:17 ordered (1 - 223:22 ownershipm

16:2,

236:6. 240:24 officidàlly (11 - 1 80:2 OneI5I - 67:51 ordinarily I2l - 249: 1 0

objection 13q - 6: 16I officials (2) - 90:9. 126: 1 1 , 163 1 0. 209:23 257: 1 3 owns a

1 2:20.

8.23, 9:4, 9: 1 0, 1 0: 10I 224:1 0 1652 1 6. 223'1 7 organization t2I

11 4:14 1 15:3

1 1 : 1 , 1 1 :2. 25:5 often (1l - 34: 1 1 On*S 1161 - 28:5 1 1 9 21 2: 12

35:1 5 36:12, 36:15, oId (3) - 40

.

2, 49:16, 38:20, 46:10.59:12, organized î2I - P

44:21 4529.89:20 241 :12 82:6, 85.151 109:14v 10 19 210:14

,

.

91:3, 142:14, 203:1 1 , older (1l 37;20 1 14:7, 1 23:221 organizing I11 -

packagellj - 243:5 216:15

216:19, on

-

gcping (1j - 237: 1 141 .16I 141:181 137:1 5

packing (1l - 38:824

:17. 224:19, once z 94:13, 1 46:24, 147.8, orïginal (111

12:22. eagetsj

3:225:7

,

225:141 226:81 j ./.:6 205:14, 208 10 z4 4 flarl 7

.

18a.2 age pj

1 j8::$, . , p40

:1 I 240:2, 241:18. once a)

-

14:14, OO90in6l (3l - 124:20: 21 8:3 231 :12

j jay4 zztjrj j z:$ :6,47

:161 248:8, 256:16 15:16 j..5y 129.22. 217:3 231:14 237:16

iërjzrzz zzqrzj . $ l ,

ebjectionable I 1 - 9:j 7 oO0 I4l - 1:8 5:2 246:5 248:3 252: j 2 z4s

:.jz zya:j4 n e I 1 2 s - ' . , '

79:12 1-/1:26 , 1-/2.2 i inally I2I 47:24 248:.1 5' ':20

.

10:24, 1 1:2. Dr g .

objections (1I - 1 1 :6 1 1 :s 1 : 1 ; 1 zr1 (; open (i1 - 14:9 17:6 48:8 (;yp

.a , , ' ' pages I1) - 15

obscenities I1) - 14 jtl .j6:14 a4: 1 2L 70:4. 70.8. 1 10' 18 ositll

129:6 aid (j4)

86:9,. , , ' p4

:7 25:22 :50:1 7 3325

,

134:1 1 , 134:171 otherwiselll

- 1 ç4:s 1 j s:;, 1 j s:a,

.

'

1 sl : 1 9 'bserve (1I - 17:24 3:$:10

,$7:12 38:1 7 231 :2Q jz6: 9 21::./ 219:9

,use-ed tu - ?s:23 aa:zo oo:z 4j:.1s openedtsl- 1::21. tuerwiselm

21a:1:$ azars zxa:s . . 0

bviouslll- 137:1 48:4 49:9 49:10 110:17, 156'1 11 13:12 :$j:21 132:17 zstj:jô' zsc

rjk ' . . .

> : ' j jjtjrzy j w g j j 5./;4

j ,4,g4 zgtjgztj, z,y

yz IXViOUS y I1) - 49: 1 1 49:1 4 50:4

.

. '

172:16 50:19

,

51:22. 57:21, 158:4, 159121 out

of-statetll - 9:8 ealoljl

2:9

occasionally (2l - s9:1a (50: 10 so:14 opecate IsI - 128:21 , jirje a

1 s:14 eroj . (s :$ :$ . , out , pap

73:2 75:20 61:7 63:2 63:6

,

68:8, 12974, 147:2, 170:12, f5z:j4 6g:s :@j

4 (syju jtis29

73 252: 1 3 ' ' ' 'ccasionallylll - 68: 17 (58: 1 8 69: 1 ' outrag@ous ($l

- j 66: 1 9 1 69:234

:14 70224 71:1 71:2 Operatingllzq - , :7

doxz - 132:4, . . para

occupation (1) - 71:s

,

7''k:1 1, 72:7, 60:21, 228:23. 229:2. 12:1a

jzzr:utsetfjl -

227:1 73:4, 7i$:1

,

76:10, 23014.231:4. 231:7, jsirjejjg

zj:17, earagrapup) .u

occurlsl - 35:12 78:4, 78:7, 86215, 232:1 5, 233:14, 1 65:16 zrjzaz4:6. 37: . ,

occurred I2) - 86:17. i%:22, 88:2, 234:19, 245 24. 1 jz

rj j j z:z, j j 2: j :5, paragrapjj x .

204:19 204:21 ôa:6, 93:4, 95:6, 95:7, 246:6. 247:221 249:9. ' 15

:a j jjjra zatzjz

,

za4:j, 112:22, 1 ,

,

ffern - 18:1s, gô:3, 1()3:1 1

107:8, 255:2 1 1 s

:14 j 24:14 zag:jz' z4()

:j(), erating

pal - sa:$ 1s6:6 zjsrj z' a jjljz34:24, 239:23. 107217, 110;19, P 143:20 1

. ,

1 12:12 1 13:1 1 27114, 37:1 ' 37:1 5 ' im ' '47:15

,

24816, 253:8 , , ' 209:24 21 1: 248

:17 113

:12 113:22 52:1, 113:16, 115:19, '

2ss:5 , , over

nlghted (zI - pardon (1)

215:16'

olerecj a - 42:1 1 , 1 14:20, 1 14:21 . 1 16:5, 123:81 148:15, 6:9 (;:j..

earoj (jj . z:$(5)8

,

' 234:8 234: 1 1 1 1 5: 16, 1 19: 1 , 1 48: 1 6. 220.2, 220: 1 0

, , ovejajj sj . 5:$2 j 6, aroj a

zzjj :j ,

L I Z A (; HA P E N , C C R z RM R ( 7 7 5 ) 3 2 3 - 5 4 9 2




.,. ,

). E$ -h

24 1 23 241 :4 241 :5. patenta I11 - 206. 1 9 1 7 1 : 1 51 1 72. 1 21 59:5, 59:9, 65:6166'4, pixels 11 1 - 1 81 (2

241.12 242.5 patterrl I2aI - 103: 10I 1-r2:1 5 1:2'20 182.141 244:22, 247:6 place (' - 31 1151, ' '

parrot t1l - 220. 18 103:1 5, 103:19. 1 72:231 1/3:4 173.7, peripherally I l - 45:7, 54:12, Z1 :20.

part 1:221 - 34:20, 103:24,1 04:16 174:5. 1 F4:7,224:4, 12:16 210:22 218:1 . 224:10

45:3 56:2 1 67:13. 1 19.1 5, 1 28212, 224'21 225:5. perjury I1l - 1 17210 placed t11 - 157:14

68:1 3 7I: 13 83:20 128:21 .1 42:5.1 77 ï. 225: 13 225.15 permanent (1I - plain ($1 - 152:14

12926 1 35 1 2 145:6, 183:191 1 85: 1 7, 226'21 226:5, 226: 1 2, 41 .1 is Plaintifftq - 1 :101

165:10 184:1 184:3, 185:19. 1 85'22. 229'6. 229:21, 230. 1 . pennissible (1l - 2:3 3:2 5

.

12 13:1

193:1 9.193:20. 1 86:8, 1 36: 1 5, 231 : 1 2. 232.1 . 233: 5, 9 24 1 5: 1 2

194.6 1 95:1 0, 187:2 1 . 1 87:231 233:1 0 2337 1 91 permission I4l - planned I21 - 168:5

,

195:1 2 .1 96:2, 188: 1 8, 1 9 1 :221 233:22. 2352 1 61 24:8 63: 1 9

,

83:4. 168:6

228:16 242:8, 250. 10 206:23, 206.24. 253:7, 253:15, 200:23 planning I2I - 137:7

.

Partlyj - 195:4 20772. 2 3/:1 1 , 255: 15I 257:24 permissions l71 - 245: 16

participate I5) - 81 1 7 207: 1 3, 207: 1 5. penalties Iù1 - 31 :8 31 : 1 0 31 :20 plans I:1 - 250: 1 6

9:9 9: 1 2. 9:231 10:6 228:8. 2 37:6 1 1 7: 10 31 :22 149: 1 3

,

Plastic (1l - 163: 19

padlcipated (11 - Pattol'lls (3I - 20Z'51 pending (2I * 2 1 :1 5 149:1 8 149:22 platform I2) - 25:1 5

,

79:6 243:23, 244:4 206: 1 9 permit rq - 24:22

1 86:4

padicipating I1J - Patty 11 R - 46:2, People B51 - 31 :4. 25: 1 242:9 platforms I2) -

1 0:14 46:5, 49 1 0, 64:23, 40:24. 41 :22, 44:23. permits I1I - 225: 1 5 205:1 7 205:20

particular 1161 - 155: 14. 1 1 1 :24 45: 19. 4971 1 . 50: 1 7, permitted (1I - 6:J 3 play (rI

148:9,

21 :21 , 50:24, 97: 15y 123: 1 91 1 57: 1 I /5:9, 75215, 76: 13, permitting (c1 - 24:6

,

148:15, 1 48:22,

1 (m:10 1 05:24. 1 57: 1 3, 1 58:2. 1 58 '4, 82; 1 3, 82:1 5, 191 : 1 5. 1 08:8 1 49: j 1 5j :22

,

1 52:3,

143:13 191:19. 158:12, 158: 19, 101:16, 102:14, eerry îî) - 1 :7 152:7

1 97:1 . 206:5, 206: 1 7. 159:31 1 59. 1 6. 1 04:23. 105: 1 0, rson (1 31

1 01 : 1 3, playecl I,) - 140: 10

220:10j 222: 1 ,225241 160: 1 6. 200:20 1 05: 1 7. 1 1 2: 1 . 1 1 2:31 1 24:7 1 24: 1 3 player (aj

28:1 6,

225:11 . 242:14 Patty's i l - 166:8 1 12:14, 1 121231 124:16 143: j4 58::$ 61 r4

,

84:a,

particularlyfsl - pay (21 - 153:221 121:23, 123:171 ja1:1 1a6:1 1 192:4 j4o:8 14(j:9

,

j4o:13,

19:19, 1 9:22, 20s:12. 154:2 123:20, 133:3, 194:22 243: 1:$ j4(;:9

,

j48:a

212:21 , 241 :2 payinçl I1I - 472 1 0 1 54:20, 1 Z9: 1 41 2s1 :22 ejayerl

zj - 59:22,

. parties (3j - 21 : 1 21 payme nts (1I - 249:8 183:51191 (3,194:20, rsonal pj

37. 10. 60: 1 , 60: 14, 87: 1 3

21:17 235:5 Pcisl - 25.15 197:41201:6.209:8, 5j:j:5 64:2 82:14 pjayersjl) . 149:4

' ' * #

artition (a - 1 16:8. Peekllozl - 2:4, 2:4. 21 1 221, 213:22, 1()::j:$ 199:14 playjng I1j

u7:g . '

1 16:9 5:1 1. 5:: 2, 6:1 5. 7'22. 21023. 223:10, 237:9, 727:7 252:1 7 l

enty sj - 1 0925, p

artnerlll - 255:19 8:19, 10.10, 10: 13f 241 :8. 245:1. 250:12, 11

.

jtlgrjzk jigrj.r persona y I71

P rtners Ia - 77:24. 10:22, 1 1:16, 1 1 :18, 251:19, 251 :20, x rjo 8j :2 j 1 :$:2

, pjugg

'

ed a . ./.j :8, . ,

234:21 13:2, 13.4. 17:19, 254:23 j 1z:22 124:4 161 :8 rs

:< j y:$:j j

artners (1 ) - 238:2 1 7:22. 1 8:2, 1 8.1 02 People S (11 - ' - - :. 21 9:1 j

ural g - 61 )1 3, Prjs I4) - 61 r 1 0, 18: 14, 1 8:231 20: 16I Per (5l - 65222. 6625, j 1 j

44:j z rjj rrja Personne

72: 1 2 148:15 1 M : 1 2 20:23, 21 :2.2 1 :6, 66' 1 2, 103: 1. 253:9 ded pj

pjus (1j . 225:1 () , PoIYLIa

S - 27:1 2 23:1 9 67:6 74: 19, perGent 114) - 63:2Rdy l 1

b ' ' ' 16:20 Pm (1j - 1 72t 1

g7: j4 azr; j 1 srj4, 79:22, 80: 71 80: 1 2. 63 6. 81 :23, 1 10:24. Iaja (j a

1 76:8, po (1j . j (;1 : 1 (;

z-tggzj 8o2 1 s.1 a6:6, 1 14: 1 7, 1 16. 1 1, 125: 19, 1.;s:jz k

atpj . zss::joc

(j sj - 124:1 8, 1 24:23, 137:1 1 , 137:20, jjase ($)

:4:13 ointp4) - 15:1 8

,

asswor (1

x

p p

ajs aj:la w :1 , 125:12, 12z:z, 184:1, 217:1 l , puijipa

z:1.;, 7;g jyrytj :sr..

,

zq:jz, , zy yr

rj z zra.y ,s:1.,

,

l4srj j, :27:15, 127:18, , , jo oenjxljj

- :24 a6):a 4,:4

,

6sra,

165:10 165:14, 128:5,128:8, 130:1 1, 238:18, 239:14 '

, pjaonetic I1) - 1 76:21 120:7 120:12

,

165:1 6 165:18, 131:8,1 31:1 1 I Percentagel8l - '

, physical ($) - 31:2 j2o:14 125:z

,

165:23 166:2, 166:5, 131 :16, 133:1 1, 7Z:2, 86:4. 87214. '

. plwsically z - 12s:17 125:23,

167:10 167:12 134:10. 134:13, %7. 1'r' 99:10. 137:22, '

.

216:1 2. 240:13 12s:4, ,29:19,

ds t:j - 134:16. 1M :24. 217:10. 249:10yasswor

pioture a - 1n1 :23, 13s:14 1:$6:2, 1 36:4,

64:7 166:12 166:14, 135:19, 135:21, perfectly l21 - 213:7, '

. .

103:22, 487:13 136:17, 137:1,

166:16 166:19 138:5, 151:21, 244:2. . pictures I1 - 2823 203:13, 217:19,

166:23 167:3 167:6 162:20, 163:1 , perform I21 - 128:14,

. , piece IsI - 95:22, 218:8, 252:14

t(131 - 8:9, 26:22, 167:21 , 168:3, 170:1 3as 129

:1 169:23, 1 92:1 positioft I6I - 26:7,

29:4 32:8 34:1 1 , 168:23, 169:9, pefformance (1I - '

, , piece.s Iw - 42:2. 130:2, 174:23, 180:7.

64:9 1 10:12 $11:17, 169:11. 169:20, 247:1

' '

95:22. 101:22. 180:9, 210:24

1 1 1:19 1 12:6 169:24. 170:2, 170:6, perllaps 151 - 14: 1 0,

. .

102:19 103:20 possession Ia -

159:12 217:19, 24314 1Z0:10, 170:17, 16 5, 62:8, 63:20, ' '

. - ,

16828, 216:9, 217:17 16:3, 78:19

'

'

atenttzq - 184:18, 170:20, 170:24, 1 1 1 :2 P Pillsburylll - 2:8 possiblep) - 44:16,

230:16 232:5 240:21 171:4, 171:12, period (aI - 59:1,

, .

Pittmanlj) - 2:8 44:17, 66:15

LIZA C'HAPEN, CCR, RMR (775) 323-5492




.,.- ,

1 9

f l r

possibly (31 - 1 Zï 1 2, pretty (GI - 34. 1 1 . 21 0222 Programmers (11 - 179:23, 190: 1 4

56:2 60. 1 1 70'4 14 1 :20 1 51 :4 processing I4J - 149: 1 1 204:20

post t1J - 1 55: 19 1 51 :5 241 :6 1 7t5. 1 I 1 76:3 1 773' programmers' (sI - provided I4) - 7: 16

pot (11 - 239: 14 prevelRts (1 1 - 70 1 3 2 1 1) 21 51 :4 51 :9 94: 1 6, 25:2 1 28: 16 1 88:5

potential a - 1 54:7, previc us I3l - 55'24 produce I11 - 162.4 10Q:1 21623 providing lj1 -

176:20, 228:8 230:5 :46: 1 T product s1 - 1 45: 1 7. programmfng 1121 - 1902 1 8

potentially (3I - previously a - 17 7:22, 1 81 : 7 1 81 9 24:3 24:4 37.7. public t4I - 65: 10,

126: 1 9, 147: 1 2. 182 : 8 1 1 4:2, 214:23 200 14 37: 1 9 55:23, 56.6. 65:21 # 68:6

221 : 1 3 primatrily I$I - 1 69.2 Product (1 1 - 147:1 57:5 1 01 :5 1 50: 1 5 publicly i11 - 68:7

practically (1 1 - prima'ry 11 I - 2X . 22 productive i1I - 1 5Q: 17 1 50: 19, pull (31 - 196:24

1 32: 1 6 Primrv' 1J - 78:7 21 8'9 205: 1 2 1 97: 1 1 97:2

practice (8I - 1 08.8. privacy (1 l - 1 56: 1 3 profession (31 - programs (151 - Pjllvertzll - 2:1 2,

209:23, 210.6 private (tsI - 18:1 1, 209 24, 21 1:23, 212:8 27:13 66:23, 76224, 2:13 5:221173:13

21 1 :23. 212:8 64:6 661'2 70:23 Professorlt) - 1 19:19. 141 :22 purchased (2I -

21 2:1 1 v 212:1 31 7 1 :2 1 1 1 L7. 1 1 1 :10. 176 2 1 142: 1 , 142221 1 42'6, 1 08:1 9 1 1 5:6

222:24 1 1 1 :14 1 1 1:20 proffer I1l - 224:5 142:7, 142:13, Purchasingtll -

practicesll) - 1 J 1 rzz. 1 1 2:4, 1 1 3.6. program lzxl - 27:1 1. 143:1 1 , 150:20, 13z:16

256:13 121:4 ,22:20, 125.8 slrs sl :1o s7:s, 208:3. 251:23 purchasinggl -

pragmatically ($I - privataly t1I - 47:6 58.22 59:20 94:4 Progress t71 - 37:6 26:20 85:16

132:17 privilege 2I - 94:6. 95:1 5. 96:8, 105:9, 123:6, 149:23 Purposelzi - 230:13.

pre I2l - 56'22.1 03:3 17321 1 . 1T3 1 2 9Z:18, 102:61 102:91 21 1:13, 214:121 2:$4:4 235:24

pre-existing I,I - protx) - srls, 6:4. p1:4.:8 losrzo 244:14 urposetm - 1::8

. ,

p

çoara 6:21 7:s 10z:1 . 1t)7r:, 1 lz8. projectlJa; - 28:1t5, 1x :6 bza:l4 zss:jz

precluded l,l - 24:1 8 probllym (ô1 - 8:1 3. 1 16.181 135:10 30712 47:12 4Z:1 3, urposeless t11 -. .

p

Predatorlll - 68:6 10:3, 1: 11, 14:7. 20:3 142:91 145:181146:1 , 58:2. 58:23. 76:41 203:22

preemptt') - lsr4 131:21. 233:12 146:4, 14a:2. 14a:21, 107:24, 147:20, urposeax - 3z:,4

,

prefacez - 12:z, problemsgl - lsEls 179:23, 190'18 147:21 151:20, 1:$7:z 2022./ 245:16

13:20 44: :2 208:5, 209'2, 209:4. 1Z6715. 244:21 ursuantltl -

prefacing (11 - 13:20 procedura (31 - 220.5, 221 '23 profects (211 - 30:1 1 230:1 9

preferll) - 69:14 11 :3 1'I:12 11:24 PrO9fam l71 - 59:8, 30:151 37:3, 37:6. ursuitljj - 21:20

. . p

preliminaryll - procedurea - 141:20.145 9. 54:22, 54:24. 57:23, utpa - 19:2()

,

21:1 1 14:15 21 1:4, 22o 24 145.17, 146 7 59:6 67:18, 71:14, zl:js 4

.

1:18 6s:2j,

Preliminaryp) - procedures Is1 - 165.19, 165'20 86:9. 86:12, 87:101 ..1 : jg .;z:aj 8a:21

,

27:1 4zl:14 83:17, Prograrn-wisel' - 8874. 119:221 137:241 91:19' 1 1 1

:9

'

1z():22:20

,

5:8, 162:3 . , ,

8a:j() 59.8 138:9, 188:18. lrssra 1:$s:j() j4:$

ry'

,remises IsI - 2::19 ,

roceed 1191 - 1 1 .17. prK rammed (31 - 190:23, 210:14, 143:1 2 14:$:z()

27:7, 1(x):18.111:4. p . ,

155:18 1 1 :18 '1 1 :23 12:1 35*12, 57:6, 205:13 217114 14g:a 1492:$

tion I1I - 13:7 1 3.8 1 3: 1 3 Pre rammer 1131 - PC0mPt i11 - 39722 1 gl :j 6 i?():$: j 1

Prepara , , . , I

38:6 1 3:1 8, '14:8, 15:9. 25: 16, 25: 1iI 37: 1 2, Pr/per l21 - 16: 19I 20:$:1 5 203:21

preparesj- ,::,6. ,s,,8. ,0,19, 'aoa, s',.w . s',a:'.s4:s, 2:$s:19 aa rla 2t. 1s

20:2 1 17:20, 117:24 13::9 '131:3 131:4, 102123. 102:24, properly (11 - 47:1Q 21::22 21g:17

preparing Iaj - 131 '8. I31 :1 I 122:4. 149:12 150:4 property p) - 224:10 235:9

42:17. 42:22. 137:16 proceeding (31 - 203:Z, 20011T 170:21, 184:16, 238:10 23::14

,

resentt,-y- ,9:1z. 1za.,s.Jx ,1o. proarammer-spl- 1s.,1.? zza,zo a.4,,e

p , ,

1q,ti, c4.,. ..:z. coa,l:s z2(),1s proposedt,,-zas:s zs2:16

45:2 46:8 85:22 Proceedings (1I - Prograrnmers (z61 - Proprietafy (2l - putting pj - 204:7,

99:22 161:1 182:23 1:19 28.12. 30:13 31:7, 11:12, 12:19 222:22 243:4

187:1 1 215:24 259:7 proceedingslgl - 34:8, 36:21, 36:24, protectlll - 17:15

resenting I4I - 15:6. 17:16, 18:17. 37710. 57:21 .59:4, protected I41 - Q

10:24 11:1, 11:4 1B:19 20:4, 20:8, 71:10, 74:1 74:4 145:11 , 165:11,

21:z 21 :20 24:9 259:10 74:231 75:2, 75:4. 165:14 165:16 tifiabletll -

. ,

.

quan

reservetzl - 97:7, process I1sI - 8:2. Z6:0, 76:9, 76:12, protecting ( 1 - 21s:5

216:17 89:8 17?7:4. 131 :12. 75:14, 87:9 88:2 196:4 tionsllz) -

,

; , ques

reservingpl - 185:16 192:12. 104:24, 121:9, protocolpl - s():2() lt)(kza

, .

:.21:1 206:9, .?1 1:21, 142:21. 143:7, 224:11 224:15 150:24 1s4:2:$

I .

residenta - 21 3:21 216:2, 216:9, 143:10, 149:6 protocols I11 - j7zis 2j 1 rz 2:a:ja

, ' , ,

f 74:24 fdt):é) 21 7;1 al 7:3 220.24 149:22, 15Q:3, 255:24 z4zta 24a;ja

presidentpl - 17:z 243:21 251:141 21 1:14, 214:12 prototypes (j - 249:18 2sj:12

253:1 3 2s3:16 21 9:24 229:16 244:1 1 j k'erp

) - 2:3:1 1

press (JJ - 65:10 . ' , qu c

'

eretty (1j - 29:4 processes (1) - 245:1 31 250:5 provide (41 - 159:5

, uite (21 - 1:7:15,

L I Z A C HA P E N , CC R r RM R ( 7 7 5 ) 3 2 3 - 5 4 9 2




- ' 20

.

h )

21 3.21 237222 246:23 249 1 257.16 referring pl - 28

.8 remind (1) - 1 53:8

quote 11 I - 1 55: 1 1 reaso nably I11 - recorded (21 - 48: 5. 32' 1 57.2 62:7 removable I2I - , . ,

' 21 5. 1 1 1 0'5 62: 1 3, 62: 1 41 12J .2, 123:7 220:3

R reaso qs (1 ) - 22 1 I recording E5) - 1 22:1 4 230:5 removed 2I - 18:8.

rebuttal (1 l - 1 8:6 48: 10.48' 19 48:20 Referrlng3l - 123:7

lldtzj - 21t):17. receike (ak - 8:1 66:4. 1 1 5: 14 230.1 1 246:12 rendedng (1) - 74:14

2 1 2:18 102:Z 1 76:4 records (91 - 7737

.

248: 1 2 reno I1j - 1 76:5

rack (41 - 70: 1 8. received tsI - 6:1 0. 11.12. II.17 77:23 refers I1l - 5B:21 Renqq - 1 :22 2:6

1

72: 7 85: 1 7 27:23, 6,0'3. 1 56: 1 8, Z8. 1 5 81 :16 255 22 reflect t2) - 169: 1 3, 2: 1 4 5: 1 1 727 1

rackstll - 85:18 175.20 255:23. 256.2 216:18 259:18

radio (11 - 1 94.9 recent 51 - 7:1 I recovertzc) - 29:8 regard I1z1 - 12: 1 Rephrasql) - 89:23

Rai410l - 33: 1 6. 25: 1 7. 145.14 1 54 7b 29: 13 5 1 '2 53: 1 1 1 7:9 1 8: 1 , 19: 1 3. replace (1 1 - 207:8

38:18 40.9 40:19 250'21 53:17, 90:11. 94.14 21:19. 85:19. 101E2 Replya - 231:24

,

41 :6 :35:3 145:4 recently 81 - 25:13. 94:15, 95:10, 96:12 103:9 104:15 233:12

14s:5 145'6 216211 26:22.29:18.32:8. 96:16, 97:121 9T:14

.

104:22, 107:21, reportl4) - 50:6

,

raised Ia - 1 29: 1 9, 1 12:5.1 44: 1 7. 97: 16, 97:1 7. 1 05:2 1 I 1 27:3, 1 36: 1 0, s0: 1 () 1 88:1 2 1 é%: 1 6

224:6 1s8:23, 251 :7 206.7, 216:51 216.8. 153:16, 161:3, reported I1j

122:8

aamlj - 170:7 recess IzI - 108:2 21 7:1 169:13 212:21 Reportedlj - 1 :24

ramifications I1I - 125:3. :3-/:f'. $71' 19 recovereu l?al - regaruin: l1) - 2% :8 reporterlq

s:10

j :$:$:20 17 1 :201 245: 1 8, 258:2 51 : 1 1 , 5 1 :171 89:7, registration I31 - j 42 j 2 9z:f5 j 81 :1 7

.

ran IsI - 48.1.50:24, Recesqzl - 108:4, 90:5,91:22. 94:17, 186:3, 186:7, 192.12 257:9 259:7

94:18 ss::7 95:24 regular p, - 33:21

.

Rep'

orteya - 22:1 1 ,1:1. 5$:13. 65:14. 258:4 . , .

97:18 4c'r:7 178:8 recitiog (1) - 45:7 96:1. 96:4 96:7 34:10 37:1 57:8 lzsrjo 259:4

random ll) - 33:6 reckless I1) - 223.14 96:23197:2, 100:3. 85:6 1 1323 116:8

, reporters ($j -

Randgl) - za:9 recogaition pz1 .. 100:13, 206:10, 143:48

.

206:1 245:1.

rangelll - s6:2 68:3. 1(.3:1n 1()3:1s. 217:5. 21T:10 regularly IsI - 57:21 reportslll

-

188:10

k jl - 4s:4 103:1 9. 103:24. 21 7:12, 217:139 zl :13

.

72:15, 1 12'9, re ository (11

ran ( p

104:16 105:7 217:16. 218:7 114:21 2j()

:j:$ate a - 36:1 7 , .

,

jry (;j . rejate pj - :$6:2:$6:1:$

z 9:1 t; 1()s:1 2. 1 0s:1 5, recover g I t zj

8:za, represen j

.

.

'

105:22 1 19:15, 89*8, 95:16. 100:8, 1ô8:18 2:$z

:z() r'atherljl - lzzls ,

tionale t2l - 128213, 128.21, 120'17, 216:9, 221 :12 related (4I - 127.8, representation (3I

ra

z4z:s 1 28:22, 142:5, 177'7, recovery 1141 - 50'24, 1 27:9. 185: 1 9 22 1 : 1 2 6: 1 6 (,:1 8 a; 1 s4 1 :1 7

, '

, , a:$:2()

,

j a5: 1 7. 51 . 1 , 5z:7j s3: 1 0, rejates I61 - 1 39.2

, representations (2l -each I51 - 1 4: 1 4.

j 2s: j 6 j x ::$ 1 85: 1 9. 1 85:22, 96 8, 962 1 611 00:6, 1 sl :1 1 51 :2 1 ô3: 1 9

, a:9 9:1 5: 1 6 , I . .

186:8 186: 1 5, 105'20. 1 24: 1 01 1 85:22

,

205:23 '

tive (a - 36:24 ' representa

1 87:2 1 I1 87:23, 206'5, 206:9, 2 1 6:24. relating (s1 - 14:6

1 4z:x 1 a:4ead 1/31 - 9:20 57:8 '

188:1 9 1 9 1 22 21 7 3, 22 1 :2 1 86:8 1 86: :5 ' k

o . 1 8:7 1 32: 1 3 1 33:6 . . ' . represent ng I . ' j garj () ztsrzy recreate (sj - 1 9s:22, j ézrj g 2(s: 44 ty

grj .yayj j45: 15 1 51 : 1 9 ' . ' .

5z:j :2 ' 207: 1

.

207:2, 207: 1 1 , 199:99 21 7:23. 2 1 8:4, 237:2

,

240: 19 240:20 '

t, aj - 52:2 1 ' represen

j .?.a: 1 f) 207: 14

I

207: 16. 21 8: 1 4 Rejativqzl - 227: 1 3

, (yzrti .,82:$ 2()z:a 78 : 1 8 . ,

228:91 237:6, 240:2 1 recreated (11 - 227:14 ' ' z133:21

request Is1 - 13: .

recognize (m - 195: 1 9 relatively (11 - 1 55:6

stjrq s(); 1 () j (;j :z4,eadable (1j - 1 79: 1

239:9, 246.3 248. 1 I Recrosqzq - 3:5, relax (1, - 46: 1 il :55

2

) j 1eading (1, - 234: 1 .

54:z() :$: j :$,j 5s:a( zz:;: 1 : rajuas. sj

zlkjz, yequosteu ja

eady l6) - 1 1 :17,

recolloction (11 - ReGross 6s: 1 1 1

:1 8, 13:7, 1 3:8, 50: 1 3

1

1 1 3:24

zrztl examination I11 - 3:5 relevanoe t31

- jre a . aj : j 9,8:6, 43:21 requ

Iistic (1 ) - 1 80:23 OCOCCIX*OdS l'l - OCFCIO 11 1 - 51 716 80(24 81 : 10 163:2 z4

:1 ()ea ' , 2

5: 1 2 redirect a - 1 38:14, reliable (1 I - 71 :21 i

rerj nj . 14j :4ealized (1I - 41 2 1 5 requ

reconstruct (1) - 160:3 160:6 relied ( I - 245:4 j

rpment (1 -eally 1161 - 55:8, ' requ

221 :21 Redireclsl - 3:4 reluctant I1j - 1 24:20 j8()

:2a: 1 7, 90:19, 1 30:3, .

record (241 - 1 9: 1 0. 3: 1 2. 138:18, 202: 1 1 rely t4) - 2@J: 17

, r uires I2J - 1 83:7,51 25I 151 :6, 1 69:6, ' eq

:j :4 j q(;t j j rsrg 19: 1 1 , 21 : 1 1 21 :241 2222 1 7 :ltla:az 21 1 :22 21 5: 1 w 4:j (; 8 : , , , ' ' .

36: 14 67:4 70:6 reference i4I - 16: 1 3, remain I1)

18: 1 9 irin I1

97:2397:23 1 98:9 202:5 ' z ' requ g

:4 j 2 j y* ' 103:1 3

,

1 21 : 1 , 19 1 9. 234: 16, 237: 14 remarks (1j

1 2:7 research (1) 244:20 1 3 : 1 9 ,

129:24 1 72:22 referred (101 - embertïal

- Researcqlj . 1 76:1 6eason 11 11 - 1 0:8 ' ' rem 1

75:7, 233:22. 1 2 1 21 0. 139: 1 4

.

46:2 6z: l4, x :a, resarve pj

jrzg,9: 16I 35: 1 1 t 38:4, ,

216: 1 7, 21 6: 1 8, 148: 1 1 . 178:24

.

gs:7 1 23: 1 4. 1 6z:gz, w saj zz6:g3: 1 2, 129:23, ,

239: 1 . 2 46: 1 0. 253 : 2, 236: 1 , 239 ; 1 2

1 63:24 j 65: g 1 a;: :$ rvi

n (j j . z54::j 32:23, 1 32124, , . , rese g

-

u o x .x ono.x o.j < .0 253:3, 255: 1 2, 256:4, 24021 1 , 242:23

,

< o4 .q 'pqo.oql t' ' '*' *1J<'**, iL,L ' '''' ' '' ' '-' *'''-'mrh'. reset (21 - 5Q: 14

,

. se sj . 2s./.rl c, ,s7L 1 s, 24g:1 7. :4::2:$ zzs:j z z5()2zjeasona

, 5:: 1 5





..

x 2 1. )

reside I1? - 22:9 1 1 1 :20 1 1 1 '22

. 250.18 2502 1 9, 1 53:13, 1 56:1 0 227:6

' respect I41 - 1 30: 1 1 . 1 1 2 4. 1 1 2. 1 2. 1 1 3 ($ 250 20 250:22 156: 12 send l2I

7: 1 1 . ' '06

:23, 242.23.25/:6 1 1 3'23. 1 1 5: 20 Samantll 1 - 1 22:5 secretary (31

1 34:1 8

respectfully aI - 123 1 3. 1 56: 10. sample t21 - 27

.

17 173:13 sense I51 - 60:8

8.24 1 8: 1 4 1 56. 1 2 1 56: 1 3 1 1 (5 1 5 secretive 21

1 2.9, 90:1 7 90:20 92: 1 5

respondlll - 8:10 156.22 satellitelll - 154'3 17:2 179:10

responding a - Rouglll/tl - 59: 1 3 satisfied t1I - 207

.20 section i3l - 72: 12. sentlzl - 6:5 7:7

40: 16. 40: 19 40:20 route 1 11 - 56.4 saurabh (21 - 188:1 5

,

72: 1 3. 74:7 separate (6) - 3Q:18

responsibilities I21 - router I91 - 65:1 3

.

1 88 20 secure i2I - 1 13:8 33:3

,

91 : 1 1 , 1 1 9:5

180.12, 250.10 65: 14, 70' 1 1 I 70212, sbve I2) - 1 88:23

,

21 1:1 165:15, 166:16

responsibility I2I - 70:20. 7 1 :19, 98:3 189:1 Securitypl

42:21 Septemberp) - 64:9,

242:31250: 1 223:3 saw Il()j

94: 1 2. 43:22, 83: 1 4 231 :1 0

1

239:7

responsible 1121 - routes 11 - 56:5 1 1 3: 1 2 1 1 3:21 securlty (2n - 1 2.1 0 sequence l71

26:21 . 29:22 29:24 row (2I - 1 Z: 1 8 1 57: 1 8 157:22 12: 14

,

1 4:23 1574 147: 1 8 1 78: 10

30:3, 1 83:4, 183:8 207:8 1 5f): 1 1 1 59: 1 8

, 20: 12.26:23. 25:24, 1 91 : 1 , 1 9 1 :2 1 94: 10

,

1 86.6, 191: 1 0. RuIq21 - 9:4. 225 1 6 167:2

1

167:6. 244:8 27: 1 , 42: 1 8, 42:22, 1 94:13

,

1 94221

200: 1 7, 210224 rule Il:j - 6: 1 2, 9:6 schedule (#I - 47:20

1

77ï 14. 77220, sequential (1j -

223: 1 1 , 250:2 9: 1 1

9;x 4 I 9:2019 21 1 71 :10 81 :1 1

82: 1 7, 83:9, 148: 1

rest (91 - 38:241 10.5, 1 0.231 17: 1 4

,

scheduled 11 I - 1 14:23, 1 29: 1 0 series (9l - 70: 1 7

%

41 : 1 2, 43: 1 3144: 10 236:8, 241 r5, 24 1 :6 42: 1 9 135: 1 3

,

1 41 :3, 153:8, 72: 14 207:8 207:9

.

1 1 1 : 1 1 , 1 18: 1 9. 241 : J 3, 242:6 school (jq - 23:23

,

192:22, 206:7, 208:5 208:21

1 19:8, 123: 18 150:5 ruled 1' l - 216: 16 23:24 2422 175: 1 212:22

.

218:23 228:17 233:14 244:3

restated I1I - 232.5 rules (:.1 - 1 6:21 1 75:2 1 75:4

,

1 75: 1 5 224:1 1 2242 1 5 sefve (1I - 1 79: 14

Restatectzll - 245:24. 83: 14 1 76:6 205:4

,227:1 0 see (581 - 10:2 10:3. sefver Il' - 30::

246:6, 247:22,255:2 ruling I 1 1 - 1 26:2 1 schooling I11 - 25: 1 1 1077

,

1 4222, 15:2 1 , 30: 19 30:21

I

31 224,

restrict I2) - 1 86:3 run 1141 - 27: 1 7 sci I1)

1 53.14 17:12 21 :5 24:20 32:2 32:6 32:7

204 6 28:23

,

32:5.51 : 1 0, science (2j - 1 76:9

,

24:21 , 39: 18, 40:1 9. 32:24 39:18 40: 1 1

,

restfiction (2 - 51 :14 60:15 96: 12 2061:6 43:15

,

63:21 65)1 5 64:10 72:18 94:18

70: 16. 71 : 1 7 1 24:9. 1.18: 1 6. Soientifiotlj - 74: 19

,

75:23 83:1 , 95:9 1 i%:3 :4

):5,

.

resutta - 6::21 150:21 171:9, 1?s:1s 91:8 102:10 106.6 c16:1 1

182:24

.

204:22 207:10.208:3 scope a

160:3. 1 13:24. 1 14: 17, serverlj) - 30:22

results (1I - 133:22 runablelll - 27:10 160:6 207:3 116:3, 128:20

.

131:31 sefvers (1a1

28:23,

resume (:1 - 73:17 running I14J - 39: 1, scrpj - 9:4

,

9:7 136:24, 1 37:3, 30:17 32:3 32:4

,

reu ined Iz - 2 s.z

,

65:15, 9t5:14. 95:21 screw I ) 47:9 144:22, 156116

.

z2:j(), 32:j:z, 33:4

219:5 96.9.10()26. 1 13:12 scriptta) 191:13, 15821.158:3 163'5, 39:19 64:2 64:12

retum ed (z) - 1 18:6

,

124210. '178:5, 178:7

,

191:16 163:15, 164:1, 71:a 72:20 j18:j1

,

216:14 178:21 . : 43:14, seal Içj 18:18 1661231 16724

,

171:6, 122:15 171 :5

revenuel,l .99:14 24s:10

,

:,so.2 sealedlal

-

14:10, 182:17, 187:13 21s:1o

,

215:13

rvxvenues p) - :7:1: runs k2l - 13S:7. j4:l:$ j 5:7 1 aral)

,

191:2, 191 :3, 193.3, servicea

42:21 ,

14723 1 24:2: 1 :$0':j 193:6, 195:14. 197:2, 43:22 83:15eviewpl - 1 9:19 ,, ,

jqar:j ztl4rj() zt)srj sjoajjj

5:60:23 83:21 224:20 224.21 z ' . se5

,

zjarjtl zaarjz jyjsj

xrjjjeviewed I1) - 82. 1 9 S sealing I1j - 1 7: 1 5 ' . Se ( .

231:22, 232:6, 236:2, 31 :22 :$z:a 4a;zevolutionaty ( 1 - search (41

88:20 . ' ,

botagelll - 41:21 89:3

,

162:7, 162:81 246:16

,

248:19, 5::4 63:1-/ 64:ô

,

.D:jz sa

. ,

f 14:12 seatedlal - s:s

,

248:21, 249:22 cy4:1 1 > :2:$

,

64:24,ic: ( 1 - 139:12 sa etcs) - ,

'

ridl,l- 40:1 :43:2n. 144:22, 17;1ô Joars seeklll- 130:23 7o:ta x :19 z1:1

Rmq'l - 1 :24 15s:12

,

:5s:16, second I1q - 11:12

,

Seem (21 - 16:3, 16:4 z1:1 1 72:1 72:4

roadpl - 256:17 155:18. 155:22, 58:23 74:10 79:17 Segmentrzl - /0:23, 72:14 211:6

I l I p

Robedll - 1:7 155724115671, 156:2. 92

.

17 110:4 110:5 ?1:11 setting (r)

38:10, ' '

selection z - x :12 :$9:: 4a:8ogerqll - 56:3 156:9

.

156:21, 157:1. 154:24 176:2

, . I ,

157:7 157:1 1, 180:17' 181

:8, 187:1, 1Z6714, 177:21 % :19 84:21ole :1 - 26:23

.

. '

157:12 158:3, 158:4

,

2:1:16 217:23 Self pl - 24:31 98:1 1, settlementpl

10:645:3 . ,

Romaqzl - 3:10, 158:6, 158:16, 159:3

,

seconda - 1:5, 2:6, 98721 setupllj - 85:14

2ozrl x a:a 159:19, 160:4, 161:7 259:4 Self-destnzcttll - seven pj

218:12, '

RonaI421 - 2:12, 161:11, 161:14, secondlyz - 16:12

.

9811 1 227:4

,251:9

166:4, 16s:8 42(5.1 s self-destructs (1I - severaltll

14():s:21

safes Isl - 83:z, secrecy pl 173:1 : 9*:21 several p)

32:3,oof (1l - 48:1

a :z 113:8. 155:4, 157:3

.

secretta) - 12:16, Self-tatlgbtlll - 24:3 z4:j2

57:13 99: 9j'oflm (1% '. : :' '

1s7:18 1S6;s (srj./ 1:u:1 1aj re sellltl - 19:4 .11a:10 13a:2a39:18, 72:18. 1 1 1:7. ' , , , , I

1 1 1 :10 11 1: 14 Salaly (é1 - 1 36:20, 153:9 153:10 Semiretired p) - 139:3 139:9

1

198:19





x

2 ;* J )

shall I41 - 9:81 9'2 1 I simpl / IsI - 45:6, 74: 16. 94'21 . 99'22 55'5 56r 1 5 5622 1 207:24 208: 1

246:20, 248 22 1 54. 1 , '1 84: 1 3, 208:51 1()0.7j 1 00. 1 41 56:231 57: 1 4, 58:5, 208.24 209.4 209:9,

share (6 - 31 8. 2 1 1 : 1 8 1 1 5 1 4 ,1 43: 1 5, 58: 1 5, 58: 18, 58:20, 21 0:7 21 1 : 1 1 I21 4:71

78:4, 105: 1 I105:21 Singaporelll - 178.4, 178.6, 178:81 59:10. 59220, 59.24, 214:10 214:17

140:4, 243:6 1 1532 1 1 78 9. 1 78: 1 0 60:6 60:24 61 :3 21 5: 14 21 5: 17

shared (3I - 49.1 1 , singlf, t7I - 74:9. 1 78 1 2 .1 83 1 8. 62:4 62:5 62: 1 8 21 5:22 2 1 7: 1 2 1 7:5

201 ' 1 , 252.4 1 1 0:4, '1 1 0: 1 71 1 16:6

.

1 85:2, 1 85: 1 5. 62:20, 63:2. 63:6, 21 7r1 0

.

21 7: 1 1 I

sharelxolder t3l - 147: 1 4 1 $71 1 8 1 48:2 1 8542 1 , 1 86: 1 0 66'21 76:2 85:4 2 1 8:6 21 8: 1 2

78: 16. 78:22.80:3 singler-story I1l - 19 1 .1 8, 1 95: 1 6. 85:20 85:24 86: 1 9 2 1 8:14 220: 1 2

shareholderspl - 74.9 200:18, 205:7. 87:7, 87:20: 87:241 220:15 221:1

77:18. 78:5 /8:6 singularl6l - 54:18. 205.19, 205:15, 88:11. 88:15, 88:22. 222:22, 223:12,

78114. 81:18. 81:22. 55:2,5é5.5 61:14 209'3, 210:81 210:111 89:1, 89:6189:11. 224:1 1. 224:12

82:4.82:19 62:14 6)1 .9 210:13. 2 1 0:14, 89:17 90:3, 90:14 Sourcez - 37:3

sharing I11 - 31:1 1 sittl:l - 18:4.1s

6, 210:18. 21 1:1.21124, 91:9, 91:10t 91:19 3::5 58:21

.

61:1 1,

shawlll - 2:8 89:10. 6)0.2, 90:12, 215.12. 218:1.220:7. 92:10, 93:191 93:21 179:6 179:8 220:13

sherifftll - 14.1 1 103:18 106:12 220.231 222:21, 94'21 96:17 96:22 spaceltq - 33:4

,

ship (1I - 140.9 126:14, 164:4. 164 8. 223:1. 227:14. 96:23 97:13 100.12 33:7 51:6 51:8

,

shoestll - 184:8 167:8 230:18, 236:1. 236:5, 101:9, 101:12, 1 16:8

,

116:9

shooting I1I - 46:17 sitlll . 79:18 240.18. 240:20. 103:23, 104:3 104:5 sparelll - 156:17

shorta - 42:14. site I4$ - '?1:s. 251:24 105:11, 105:22 sparetlj - :57:10

lss:s 217:s 150:13, 150:17. 213:1 Soldill - 228:21 105:21, 106:241 speakerlll - 23:14

ssotlll - 16:1 1 sites (z1 - 2:.24, f3s:7 solely p) - 238:4 107:5. 107721. speakingfjl - 252:1

sltouldertl, - 231 r21 sittinfl (21 - 1n:11, solidlll - 130:6 107:23. 1 10:24. sneaks (:q 236:9,

showllq - 45:7 169.19 Sornedayill - 26:13 115210 1 16:2 2:$C:j 1

1z situated I1I - :w :1z someonetsl - e8:2:. 11s:'I4, 1 1s:'l9. specialîq

104:1z,7:18.77:24

,

a1: .

117:9 136:9 177:24 situation izI - 8:201 127:201 186:2, 221:5, 116:24. 118:10, 11z:8 15:$::$ 15z:14

,

190:24 191:1 204:1z .44:20 221:10 119:2. 119:8, 119:14. 2o8:1a

' '

someplace (11 - 119:16 128:10 Ifica

2()7:.j3howed (' - 35: 1 , situations I11 - ' ' Spec .

221 22 Jss::s 12a:2o, 128:24. 24:$.2:$arlz

,

s4:12, 1st5:24, .

'

'

243:12 243:15 sixfal - 29:s, a1::$. sometimer,l - 129.4, 131:a. 132:9, iscallypl

.

, . SPFC

' 244:12 102:14, 137:18, 180:22 132:15.132:19, 21 :x (s:z

,

1g:$:j:,

sometime ;:1 - 135:5. 137:12, 2j():1) zz$:j1howinglzl - 205:24, 230:1 1 . ,

105:19 13?:20.138:2. 24():1z43:18

,

243:19 231:6,:132:22

sometimes (1j - 138:20.1 39:1 ,hown 41

44:17. size I2k - 1- :7 specifieslsl - 82:22

gaaliq4 jzqrjz;, j :s ::.,, j tjon pj

.

8:16 236:1 () 256.3 212:12 specu a '

Somewhere l4) - 139:19. 140: 1 , 140:4,

shows (zI - so:3 skill (1) - 259:16 42:51 44:22 45:4

125:14 143:20 140:161 140:22. '22

:2 skyfll - 243:14 , t spell (3I - 22:1 1,

155:20 161:16 141:12, 142212.

sllylll - 33:8 slate (?I - s2:1 , tzs:8 2()3:z

142:21 143:6 '

sicltl . 240:21 107:10 son (21 - 26:2. 48:1 1 . , spendll) - 176:1

143:16, 146:s.

sidelloj - 10:17 sleevftlll - 1s3:19 soonlll - 197:9 spentp - 38:24

,

zz j s 146:14, 146:19,9

:18, 20:1s, 22:24. sloanm - 3:3, 22:1, sorry (121 - , 43:20 44:10 103:s,

147:9, 147:13 ' '

24:1 1. 135:16 22:8. 2:,:13.1159:21 39:10. 93:12. 135:17. , 111:17 169:5 176:7

, '

171 :2 175:22 147:17, 149:51 149:7, ' '

13s:1 1. 2(k4:z, 2s2:s 2ce:2z. 212:19 . , 176:18, 227:16s1

:2.1s1:a, 1s2:1s.

siues I61 - 10:21 . sloaffs I1j - 129:19 209:12. 225:23, spiedtsj - 64:8

152:20, 1 52:22,9

:23, 136:2, 225:11. slow rq - 181:16, 226:3, 241:14,255:8, spoken p) - 9:3

, 54:1 1 , 1 6s:20.s1

:12 181219 255:15 123:19

,

213:6zo

:l 1 . 179:3,

signlll - 19:22 small '6) - 212:14, Sorrytzl - 173:5. springpp - 1% :20

1z9:10, 179:1s,

signalpj - lzsrlz 215:12, 217:20. 190210 srctll - 30:22

179:17. 183:1ô,

signature 2I - 237:22, 246:22, Sort 41 - 65:10, 81:61 srcserveczq -

1s5:4, 185:z, 1:s:1o,

117;14, 239:19 248:24 129:9, 135:7 30:24 32:1

,

z2:9,:6:7

,

186:1 1, '

signed I:1j - s:l4 smalleryl - 50:16. sourcelDel - 20:18, 32:23 33:7 33:19

. 186:14 1 8s:18 ' ' '

8:17, 9::, 24:16, 179:s, 179:9, 179:1 1 2/.8. 27:9, 27:12, * ' 34:4 34:18

,

35:3,86:21

-

1 87:17, '

104:14- 1 17:9, smartt:l - 177:24 27'24, 28:2. 28:7, 36:23 38:13 38:21

,88:4,188:z, 188::8, ' '

133:14, 228:20, snuck 11) - 221:s 2871 1j 28:13, 29:1, 39:20 K :7

,

4121:,88:23

.

189:1, '

235:15, 235:16.246:7 Snydertjl - 2:5 29 15, 29:19, 29:22, 43:7 62:1

,

95:14,89:1 1

,

189:24. '

significantlll - so-called I1I - 121:4 39.1. 30:4, 30:21, 100:4 1* :9

,

104r5,9n:8

,

190:12, '

111:3 softwarepl - 95:15 30'23, 32:4. 32:19, 104:6 1 17:6

j

$$7:7,90:15

,

193:9, '

.

' similarll) - 148:24 software trq - 27:12

,

33.12, 34:1, 40:9, 1 19:1 135:3

,

14224,

: 193:13, 195:1 , 1 95:5, '

i

.

simplea - 59:17. 27:14, 28:10

,

50:24, 4Z 11 ' 53:5, 54219. 143:5 143:8

,

143:12,

.

-.

195:7, 196:5, 196:12 '

' 60:12 168:19 207:7 51:1 66.:8 65:15

,

* 722, 54:23, 55:3. ' 149:7 150:2 169:2

, , , ,

zoxrjs 2(s:1 1 , , ,





23 .u. ; h

169:3 169.4 1 8917 status I2l - 64: 1 3, storing (1 I - 3216 203: 1 5, 225: J 9 245:1 7

189'9 189:12 190.1 . 204:8 story (4I - 74.8, 74.9. submitted I51 - switches I1l - Z0'17 , I

1 90:6 21 1 18 21 1 :9 statub, 11 - 12721 1 128:9 130:12 18'18 75: 15I 8271 5, sworn (101 - 14.20

216'7 statubyry t61 - 16:13

.

strange I:I . 41 .1 253.41 253:1 2 21 .9, 22.2, 1T3:16,

ss (1l - 259:1 16:1 7 19:20, 1 30.6 streaming I2l - 88 3. subprojects I1l - 174:14, 202:21.

stacklsl - 144:23. 131 .2. 134 2 1 142:1 21 1 : 10 202:23. 203.2.

155: 10. 1 55: 1 5. stay pà - 18: 13, 38:7, Streettzl - 2:9

,

227.8 stlbsetlzl - 176: 14, 226:15. 226:1 8

161 :3. 1s1 :5 129:16 stretch I11 - 243 8 177:21 Systernlt l - 58:41

staff I2I - 21 :12, Steinerlzl - 172:23 strikeliil - 1 1 3:1

substantial (21 - 60:21 84:8

1 7 1 : 10 1 72:24 120

.

1 9 142: 1 4 21 8: 1 3. 244. 1 -/' system (221 - 30:Z1

stand izI - 21.10, stenotype I2I - 163:14 163: 16

,

165:3 substantially (31 - 37:1 37:151 47:20,

;3. 1 7, 126: 1 , 140E10, 259:10, 259:13 strike zI - 35.20. 237:20, 246:20, 48:16, 49:31 52:1,

173:1 ;. 203:16. 204:8 steppl - 202:21 I 42'5

,

44:22, 143:22, 248:22 65:13, 85:18,1 13: 16.

Stand-alonefll - 226:14 144:6, 198:22

1

201:9 substantiatell) - 115:19, 1 16:5, 123:8,

140:10 step 11 sl - 17:20

.

strong I1I - 1 5:5 256:5 148:15, 1487161

sondard f41 - 21 1 :4, 172:1 1 173:14, strongerlsl - 65:14 subsystem I11 - 21 0:7. 21 1 :7. 21 1 .8,

21 1:7, 220:24$ 256:12 181.6 181.81 182:101 structurepzl - 30:7

,

30:12 212:22, 220:2.

Standingpl - 6.61 182:12

.

183:11 183:3. 30 8 30:10 30:16

,

subtasktll - 182:6 220:111 223:22

7ïI. 7.12 186:23 1 D-lL 1 I 63 14 70

.

4 70:7 Sucbitalzl - 1 22' 5, Systems (1l - 277 1 5

standing t1I - 7'3 202:1 6 204:24 71 22 1 1 1 :4 1 1 8:21 188: 16

stands (2I - 131:23, Stephefltzj - 2:4 18 1 :1 1 162:3 suggested ($J - T'

1 53: 15 5: 1 2 stuck pl - 224:23 1 09: 1 7

start î8I - 83:22, steps .21 - 148:5. studied I11 - 205: 1 3 suggestions 11 I - table I1I - 8:21

108:8, 141 :20, 185: 1 studioll) - 147: 1 181 :5 tables (2l - 72: 14.

236:22, 250:4, 252:7, stilt I2îI - 25: 1 . stufflll - 41 : 1 Suitelzl - 2: 14, 2: 17 1 1 3ï7

252: 1 31 255:20 34:24 57:20, 62: 1 , stuff (271 - 27: 1 6 summer i:l - 47:23 Lale (11 - 10:5

staded 1121 - 265 1 89:8 9 1 :21 , 92:1 2, 28 1 s 38: 1 5 40:2 sun I9l - 3:6

,

1 01 :14, tamper I11 - 90: 1 0

M :20, 40:4,40' 71 95:21 I 1 1 0.22, 4 1 1 43. 1 7 63. 1 1 1 22:23

.

1 74: 1 3, tangible (2I - 1 54: 16,

41 :22. 43: 1 4.44: 19, 1 1 6: 1 211 16: 1 9, 83 1 is 84:21 88:9

.

1 74:20. 1 927 19, 168: 10

.

55:21 . 65: 14s 1 31 : 1 3, 1 1 7: 1 . 1 1 776, 1 18: 16, 88 1 () 1 ()1 : 1 a 1 92:2 1

1 99:61 2 1 0: 1 7 Tangiralqzl - 51 :22,' '

235:9. 240: 1 I 1 50.71 1 61 r1 I 1 84: 1 5, 1 04: 1 8 j 2z: 1 2

.

sun's I1) - 1 05: 1 6 121 : 1 3

starting (2j - 51:1 . 198:10, 198: 18. '128 2 130:1 5 Sundaytll - 43:3 tapered (1) - 66:1

21 7: 1 9 21 4: 1 5, 214: 1 7, I1 3.: 1 6 1 37:23

,

sundry I1I - 237:7 tapes I5l - 1 56: 18I

startup (1I - 210:20 220:8, ;.20:1 1, 235:2 142.23 145:1 3 superlatives (11 - 157:9

1

157:15,

Statell8l - 1 :5, 6:6, Stillmantlol - 2: 1 5, 1 50' 1 3 1 50:1 4 1 3: 1 () 158: 1 1

'

166:7

6:7. 7 3, 7:5, 7:8, 7:9. 2:17 7:? 7:151 7:16. 152.8 152:13 supervision (3l - tasklsl - 182:9

7:1 01IL 1 7, 7L 1 81 7:20, 8:4, 8' 1 2, 8: 1 6. 9.24 1 59

.1 8 1 65:2 1 1 01 :1 9 1 04:23

1

tasks M - 26:171

7:23, 7:241 9:2,9:3. stipulation (6I - 203: 1 7 1Q5:1 iy 1 93: 1 1

206:6,259: 1, 259:5 1 8: 16I 1 9:7, 19: 1 6. sub (2) - 70:9

.1 82:7 suppod I2j - 1 1 7: 1 5, taught (1J - 24:3

state (9I - 5:9, 9:8, 1 9:21 I 20:2, 20:23 sub-algorithm (1I - 1 76:22 team I4l

10 1 : 14,

45:81 52: 1 9, iB: 14I stock 21) - 238:20 1 8 2r7 supported pl - 1 05:16

1

1 88: 10

97:7. 203:7, 203:21 . stockholder (1) - sub-networks I1) - 1 76: 1 5 teamwork (1 1 -

203:22 11: 1 3 7Q 9 supposed Eil - 193: 18

statement pl - 1 5:5, Stopyl - 90:24. subdivislons I 1 - 1242 1 7 1 31 :2 1 45:3

,

tech ($) - 227:22

55: 1 5, 15471 92:19.92:21 70 :8 149:8

1

187; 10, technical In -

Stateslzl - 1 29: 1 5, stop (21 - Z5: 1 3. subfolder (31 - 199: 1 9

,

250:1 3 184: 1 1 I299:21 ,

224:5 92:24 30: 1 2

1

149.1 1 . 1 49:21 Supremell) .. 6:1 2 21 2:9

,

21 2:20,

station 11 1) - 41 :6, storage ITI - 33: 16, subfolders ($I - 40:8 surprised I1l - 16:22 227: 1 2

,

245:7, 251 :12

V :4, 51:1 417423, 83: 1 . 8:$:6. 83: 1 5. subfunction (zl - surveillance (3) - techniques I,1 -

97:12. 1 142 1 2, 121 :3, 83: 1 8,21 0:1 0 1 82: 1 6 45222

,

45:23, j 1 5: 1 2 1 > :23

122:19, 193:16, store l6I - 30:14, subject pj - 8: 17

,

sustain (4; - 4278, Tectmologieqtgl -

20Q:6, 2* :8 83:3 83:9, 1 49:7, 14:4 31 :22

j

1 29:22, 42: 1 2 s2:t 9 91 :4 1 :9 5:1 3, 1 2:22,

stations (21) - 33:1 1, 170:8

,

210:1 3 169:14 172:7 sustainedtzj - 52:9

1

63:15, 74:15, 78:17,

33: 1 4, M :5, 34:6. stor-l 1161 - 2726, 1 72:1 3 2> : 14 1 89:22 85:20 101:2 105:8

1

36:22, 37:8, 37:1 1, 27:16

,

30:9, 30:16, 204:15 sustained (11

52:11 130:21. 227:2, 230:9,

37:16. 38:18. 4824, 33:17 :4:14, 48:15, sublicensed p)

svatekpl - 57:22, 231 :8. 232216,

51:4, 71 :9, 72:4, 72:6, 1 1 B:10, 1 19:3, 2611 1 76:9 85:9 234:20

,

239:4, 240:8,

72:23 73:7 95:9 142:13 142:224 submiu ion Ill - sva'

teYs I:1 - 61 :24 254:24 256:24

100: 1, 143: 1 I1 88:23. 142:23, 1 43:8. 21 :1 5 swear I1j

21 :23 tecbnologies I5) -

'

21 6:4 1 89: 1 2, 207:5, 221 : 1 8 submit a

1 5:3, switch p) - 40:1 3

,

83:24, 84: 161 2416: 14,





24 >

23722 240:21 60:2. 159 5. 61 :1 5

. tbirö L;rl - 21 . 17. 1 32:24. 1 59:4, 7022)

technology (as) - 62:8 62 1 5. 63:5 27 12 2/:14 32:7 161 :17

.162:15 transmission t1) -

12:24. 1414, 14:6, 65.61 89 1 1 , 90:1 3 1 1 5'14

,145:7, 227.20 164.4, 164:8,167.8, 206:20

19:4 26.10 56:24 terabyte (21 - 2l5 9

1 tbird-pady t4 - 166.4 168:6. 169:2 trap t1h - 46:17

57:15 58: 1 1 58:19, 21 5 1 3 27 12

.

2T.14 32:7. 169:1/. 184520 tree a - 181: 1 1

I1:1e 61:2:

.

s1'21 , terabytes t4I - 33'8

, 1 15:14 190:6. 206:15,220:18 182:2 182:6

62:16 74: 13. 74. 1 61 33:9 33

.

1 7 21 5: 1 1 TlAirdlytl I - 1 26:22 today's l2I - 83:8, tremendously (1l -

84'2, 84.5, 86:5, term Ez) - 61 : 1 7

1

thoughts j1; - 202:7 245

.

9

86: 1 7. 86:23, 87:8, 68' 2 89'2 1 103:6 242

.

16 together (1 31 - 95:22, Trepaxl - 3: 1 4

18: 1 88: 1 3, 88: 1 7

.

1 05.5 1 ()5:8 249:3 thousand 1101 - 1 39: 1 3

,

1 39: 1 9, 5: 1 7 1 4: 1 9

.

1 5: 1 9

:::23. 89.2, 89:4. terminology (21 - f$6: 11

.

60:20, 65:244 140215, 147:5, 24:16 32:16

1

43:4,

8925189:14. 90:41 155:21 ,1 77'6 108:23 1 1 0' 18 147:24

.179:231 44:6 45:23

1

47:2,

90:15, 91:20. 93.22, terms (IpI - 46)23

,

139:10. 187:7. 215:7, 182'171197:2, 20972, 47:3 48:15

1

54:9,

94:3. 94:20, * :2, 66.17 100:21 231 :18

,

238:13 235:9, 238:1 , 243:5 54:11 78:2

,

78:3,6

715.96: 16. 96:18. 104:1 9 ,1 1 3:14 Tbousanqll - 66:1 1 tomatoes 111 - 92714 78:10 78:1 1

,

78:21 ,

96.24, 99:5, 99:7. 1:$023 1 ë)j :10

,

'rhousandsl:) - tonightlll - 171 :9 78:24

,

79:6.80:3,

99: 1 1 , 99: 14. 99:1Zx 199:22 230

.

20 t5i5: 12 tookllq - 26:17

,

82:16 97:1 1 . 104:14,

99:21 . 100:6 100: 14, 236. 1 1 thousands (:2()1

26:20, 45:71 51:23 125:22 125:23

.03:10

,

103:15. testtxl

1 16:15

. 54:24158:13, 58:14, 5227. 54712,85:1, 132:21

,

133:141

03:24. 104.16, 182:16 18529

,

196 24 58:18 59:22

.

60.2, 106:17. 106:21. 133:21

.

13476, 134:7.

105:7. 105:12 testified t111

22:3, 60:6

,

60:191 61:7, 106:221120:3, 125:3, 153:21

155:23.0

5:154 105:22

,

53:24 9;h:1 1 1 14:a 61 :1s

,

62:8 62:15, 217:21 , 227:101 156:5 156:9, 160:13

,05:24

,

107:22. J16:17 169:21

,

6325, 6a:12, 65:z. 243:1 1, 259:9 169:14, 161:10

130:14

.

$33:4, 174:15 2.03:3 2% 8

,

65223.89:1 1 90:14. tool I21 - 182:13, 164:5, 164:19,

13321 1 , 133:20, 208:23 2.26219 133

.10 139:4 196:21 166:13 169:9,

163:1 1, 164.10, testifiespl

81:14, T'hreepl - 81:19

,

tools (4I - 27:11, 203715, 226:13,

164:14: 164:20: $33:8 145

:3 219:15 27:15, 32:7. 210:21 226:1T, 226:24,6

4:24.167:1 1. testifylq

1 14:8, tl:ree pq - 1G:16

,

Toql) - 153:10 234:18, 235:7,

16B:15. 168:16

,

12s:2o 159:4 226:,3 24

.1 , 26 :$ 3a:8, top (4I - 74:7

,

153:9, 233:11, 239:9, 242:21

193:10, 210:23

.

testifybw (aI - 169 91 41

j8 78.:5 7E:13, 153:13, 154:6 246:3. 248:1 . 248:13.2

12:14 220:21 . ' '

:$z:1 a 254:20, , 1s9:1 1. 1 73 23 81 : 1 1

,

82: 18I86:1 5, total (6I - d2

8:9. 228:20, testimony (zë

-

100 20. 118:3. 9623

.

104:7, 108:221 TOP/.J i4l - 44:6,30

:18, 236:1, 236:5. tssrjs :$5:17

,35:21 123 j:, 12z:2j, 1()9:j6

,

1s7:2 166:22, 2312211 2561238

:16 240: 1 9 ' '

5 jx rz 1 x : j a yotaylj - 86:1a trial p) - 131:1 8 ' 36.8.45::5, 54:18, 169 :

, , ,42:24

,

243:2, 243:8, 55:4 (5a::, 8j:17.

,

1 7n 1a, jzyrgz, totally pj - 40:14

,

242:946

:1 8 246:1 9.250.4 8a:ja rjj .5' 1

cz:4 j stl s,js():t; z: ()2 j

245:4 tricks (1I - 181 :21 , , I I

K hnologKlTl - 12(;:1s 1 29:20 238 1 2

4

238: 1 9, trace (2I - 221 :14

.

tried (6l - 40:1 7b9

:11. 64:3.78 22, .t32 1 1 1a-/':1 1 244 j6

,

244:j8, 2;?j :24 s3:jo

,

53:11, 1 15:20,9

:7. 80:4, 82:4, j(;1:12 1s2:1s

, 245 1z, 250:12, w ces pl - 221:16 165:24

,

173:104

717- 8575. 86:1, jss:d

.: jd.:z:4 zjz:a

,

zsj z,257:1 j trackz . 191:4

,

triesll) - 982200

:3. 103:8. 108:18. iëjrsTjz zlzrjy th

ree-dimeosional 194

.

21 trillionpl - 215:909

:12 109:18 a14:24' 21 9

:1 o'

(1j - 176:2 trackirs tjx

trillions I1I - 22::1 s74:22

.

1/5222, gzzrz gsarjo Tj

lreertkxty (jj . j(j(j:z4 jtjjr:j jtjjm trkp a . :$4:18 zoit;

j75:23 testing

k3j - 34:16. 219:15 101:9 1û1:12 39:2

,

43:6. 46:191ediogs I1j

208:12 .49 th

roughout a - 104:16' 1 1 9

:1:

1 121 :177:13. 37elecommunication

text pl - 27:9, 57.7 s8:1, 1 16:22 210:22 ,:6:1 91 1 92:: ' 'r

rq11 - 1 17:15lll

175:13 5z:11 sz 12 139:5 yh

ursdaytfj - 219:6 193:14

,

199:22 troubletll - 181:18

elephonels) - 1s2:2 165:1z 208:1z tiallj

a1:9 20021 21o:1s troubleshootpl -24

:12, 224:17. n eaterzl

58:4, time-consuming I11 traditionally (1j - 88:10

22s:17. 22s:' :, s4:8

-

g1./:18 24::6 y'rouxeshootinal)25

222 themets)

225:5 titlea .232:14

,

trafficlll - 71:17 - 73:8e

n (41 - 25:14 tlw mselves (1I

-

246:19 trainjng Ia) - 184:2 truck I,I - 44:8Q1

:16. 151:6, 242:11 zj4:j7 today (sN - 6.17, 227:12 '

true Ij()J - 52:6,ender p)

207:18 heoly (rj

175:14 7:1 a 1 1 :4 1 3:14 trains p) - 1 41 :5 101:21 195:6

,

, , ,ends Iï1 - 29:10 z38

:1 g 14:a4 j::1. 1 8::24 transcripta

-

235:18' 239

:16,ennettal

75:12, thoreirlpj

zsr):1 1 2, :4, :) : s ($ :.$:

,

1a: a asa:jz zjs :l s 246:s, 24s::$, :2.55:1 ,8

:4, 9973 tlleyvvelaj

189:2. 89:6. 89:10, 90:2, Transcriptll - 1:19 256:23

,

259:13enW31

58:13, 217:7 218:2 90:12

,

103:18, tfanscription pl

Trust8l - 1:13, 1:14,

-

58:14, 60:19 ttgnkinq (11

-

14:j6 :06:12. 1()z:4. zra j:s &z'd

,

z:$(tlg, zzcrzc,tens (1t)1

58:1s

,

tj,inks r1) .242:1s 1 :0:22, 1aj:18

,

yransjatioqlj . 2> :22,239:s

LIZA CLWPEN, CCR; RMR (775) 323-5492




.. .. . .

2 5

.

trustees (2j - 1 . 14, two-way (11 - 71 :18 243 22 148:14 185:16 62215 74L 12

.

84:2.

239.5 two-yearp - 59::

Ullrpl - 176:21 utterly p - 3S:1B 85:23 86:22

1

86c24,'

truth (q - 1 1:1 1, 59:9 unreasonablelzl - 87:3 87:7 87:12

,

42:1 1. 52.21 160:5. typetlal - 14

.

151 162 5. 162:16 v 8Z:241 88:3, 88'121

162:8, 199.3 15:1

19:16, 66.17, unusual (31 - 43:5. 88.22191 :20, 92:5

.

truthful (1I - 1 1 8r1 3 74

.13t 76:17. 77:3. 223 9% 223'23 vacatio z ts) - 3-/723

,

927?, 92.8, 92:1 1 .

T'ryl'l - 249:17 1 17222, 140210. up(9gl - 9:18

1

1 1:13, 11826 198:14

,

92:14. 92:20, 93:22,

try I2zI - 10 1 8. 1 1:8, 140:11. 164

.

2, 14'E1, 14'17. 22:191 201:22 201:24 941201 95:3. 95:4.

22.19 23.6 23:1 1 190:22.192722, 23

.

1 23:11, 23:14, valley I1I - 243:14 95:51 95:19, 96:2,

51:2 81.6 93.4. 193:9, 210.71 210:12, 25:1 1, 28:21 28:23

.

valuetjl - 238:20 96:1Zr 96:241 110:3,

sa:pa 9avlz 9z:12. 21n:1s. :a3:2a a9.6

.

2s:1s. 29:2a, variablesfdl- 1s2:. 110:7, 11s:13.

97:17. 98'6. 116:1. typesidl - 27:51 30:1

1

30:17, 31723, Aznrlrspxrm' 9n.:9 116:181 117:1,

128:20 148:221 60:17. 199:16

,

209:22 :$2.8133:12, 33:16, W

V

W'i'JJJI'lI 1 '1 , 128:191 14015, 140:7,

162:13, 1z4:2, wpicallyl:) - 1a9:2 34:23. 3s:2, 3s:13. x :s alrz sr:s

,

140:11, 14t):12,

177:,,: jisz:j wpingll) - :.a:2a 37:9. aa:1(), 3::12. ts:1' s1

:

'

1a (s:./ 141:21, 1.$.:9, 148:s

,

183:1 1 184:5

.

187:9, 38'21

,39:1, 39:9, 72:5 83:24 8z:9

,

148:10, 148;19,

190:z 2o2ls

.

24s:1 1 39'22, 40

.1, 40:151 9s:6 j 14:6 j46):6

,

151:20, 151;22, U , ,

trying (191 - zs:21 . 41:15

,

48:3. 48:8. 1s4:20 1s6:jz

,

1Z0:18. 185;24,

41:14 47:9 53:14, uop) - ::3:24 5/.17. 58722

,

59:12, j(m:z4' 2()@

:ja, 186:4, 191:1, 194:13,

s3:1z 65:16. 90:1 1 . ultimately IsI

1sr7. 59.20. 59.21. 60:9, 2os:10 2oa:1s 194:21, 206:5.2* :7,

95:5 135:81 136:2, 36 1 6 1 2s: j 7 1 43:z 602 1 ()1 63: 17

,

64:4, 21 5: 1 () 2:$727

,

24g:8 206: 1 7, 206:20, 237:5

. I $ . p z

1sa:23 laz:ls. 21z:s e.4:9. - :11

.

64:23, 2sl:e 2ss:2:$ videosp - 129:s

1&1:7, 185:23 undetetetz)

95:1q, 64.24, 65:13,69:9, vaultlz 155:191 Wcginiatll - 22:10

196:17 196: 18 9'r)j9 Z0

.18, 70:191 71 :1 156:3 j61 :1 5 virtual i2I - 64:4

,

199:s. 217:1, 21z:2:$ undertln 9:4, J'1 .1 1, 72:4,72:11. vegaslaj

7:8. 7:12, 65:2

Tuesdaypl - 1:21 , 1 ;?22z j4 2() j8:1a Z2. 14, 72

.18,73:221 7:1 :$ virtually (1j - 256:4

5: 1 1 72:1 1 :103

(55

'

1a' j(M

:2' 84

.1 . 84: 1 1 84:20 jlicle pj

176:14 Viftue t1I - 238:5 3 . . ve

tunneltll - 64'7 1 j7:1'

j j9r'

9

'

84:21185:12 85:22 litirzz 17./:j jz8:4' vision ($I

17613

49:, j .fa2:1(5 tzz:j-/, 86:s

.

1 17:22 129:23 ' ' ' visitll)

42:23um la - . , . 186:19

,

191r2, 192:1c

.

1s2:9 1aa:1 1' 149:2:$'

,

131.23, 132:8, 133:7

.

jljclespj - 17z.14, visits (1) - 43221 ' - . ve

turnedrl - 49:20, 149:24 2:)1:z

,

21 ::s, 133.9, 133:17. 1M 26, jzgr:s visualil

147:1

stxs z5::j s' jzs

.

2, $4:$:4 :4ij::zs voice (1I

142:1 venables (,) -

'ruming'll - 237:12 Underp 24:15, 169 4. 1?3:14. jg:

:g() voice-overpl -

tweaking I1I - 103:5 J01 :19 1 95:18 173:241 181:10, 142:1

,

Venablespsl - 3:3

T'ql. - 1 17:2 undergl-aduate r11

1 81 : 1 B. 183:1 1 ' ' Voirlal

-

3:1 1, 212:62:1

.

22:8. 23:9,

two îsz - 7:,4. 17s:6 f 84'5. 197:1 1 , voirp)

212:23:19, 62:12

,

72:17,

15 16:15 17:8 underlyinga - 19Z:12.198:4.200:6, ju

me ($j - 23:1337 , . . 79:22 83:13 M :6

,

vo

200:8, 200:9,2()n:10, ' ' volumez - 1:19,6:22, 32:14. 33:5, 242:5 255:6 256:10 91:18

1

93:17. 108:17.

'

5 37:8 unde

rneath

'

jz) - 200211, 200:181 258

:5 2 1 4 , 3 . , 1 s s 1 o 1 ($ 3 : 7

,

1 6 9 : 1 .

37:13 43: 12 5T:15. :$0:9 jcs lz 1 1 :1 1

,

21 0*8, 21 1:6. 228:1 31

.

v rka - s4:4, s4:g . . , 169:s. 172:7, 22G.7 p

59:1 59:7 59:9. 1 19:12 1 19:2:

,

232:13, 243214

, ,

. Venkatll - 94:8 n ItI - 1 :1 1

60:17 62:7 71:18, 149:1 1 UPI4l - 29:181 34:15,

. . venkatats - 7s:1 1

144:17. 251:7 '2:12

.74:8, 76J16. understandablelli

76:20, 149:14, W7:1 100

:3 107:15. 208:16 updated Ia - 158:23

, . 149:15, 149:1z

1 10:12. 1 1 1:17

. understood (11 - 255:3

rbatim I1j - 259:9 Waitpl - 79:1T

,

e

1 1 1 :19 1 1 2:5 244: j s LIPPOC I11 - Z5:22

I verify I1) - 1 34:7 89: 1 1

1 12: 1 5, 1 1 3:20 unitedta

129: 15, UpsoirSl3l - 75:5,

' version a .. 143:2 wait i:) - 80: 1 1

1 14: 1 5 1 14:19 2a4:5 Z5:6, ?5:Z ' . 21 4

:9 waiver I J - 224:242'i

:4 1 22:1 5 universal Ijj 223:6 QPSOIO 121 * ?6:1 3. ,

version-by-version walk (2I - 1 72:2434

21 B, 1 37: 10 jver

sity (4j - 1 55:24 ' un

j11 - 1 43:2 186:2 37

:24, 140: 1 4, j ./s:6 j .5: j (; Urgency 11 - 1 3: 12

I I

Vet I$1 - 8: 1 walked (1) - 21 3:2045

:6, 1 56221 , j ./5: 1 8 1 -

,

rs:21 urgent (21 - 1 1 :24,I vice (s1 - 5: 1 5 6:4 walking rzj - 173:13 56

:22, 1 5-/:23 unive

rsl:tylsj - 1 2:9 ' ' ' 6

:2 j , zr6,1 74:24 1 gj ::$ T6

:1 , 180:1 3 rsrzj useless (1I - 21 3:8 175: 12

,

1; , Vicetll - 1 80:8 wall a

70: 1 3, 80:1 8

,

1 84:3, 187:7, ..rzz y5:z4

,

user I41 - 31 1 9,

,

Videotl) - 87:2 1 14:22 223: 1 99:1 1

I201 :2Q. 6:5 x ts

rs 49:22. 49:23, 50:3 '7

, video trq - 25: 1 4, WaI111I - 227:820:1

%

231 :17 Userp - 5Q:1

,

50:2 Unlessp)

24:21, , 25: 1 9 26:10 45:22

, wants (m - 1 36 17.4320

.243:24, (;:g 50: 1 8 ' '

, 23 45:24

,

48:1 6, s6:3, 1 72: 1 6 1 72) j 7

,' 244:16. 244: 18 users (:I

149: 16 '

,

u t - 1 8 : 5 2 5 2 1 5 5 1 2 : 1 8

two-story I11 - 74:8 uses (a) - 51 :6

,

' '

54:4, 54:9

,

1 28:2, 58: 1 1 58: 1 9 61:21 warelw use (zq





.. .. . ;y (;

i

33: 15,34.5, 34.6. who've I:) - 222:21 160:1 . 172:21 . Y


Documents

ET v DM State # 644-19 & 20 | Feb 7 2006 Transcript Vol 1