Episode 74: Improving Hashimoto’s in as Little as Two ... · the root cause of autoimmune thyroid disease after she was diagnosed with Hashimoto's in 2009. She's also the author

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Episode74:ImprovingHashimoto’sinasLittleas

TwoWeekswithDr.IzabellaWentz


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Child:Welcometomymommy'spodcast!Katie:ThisepisodeisbroughttoyoubyPaleovalley.Ifyouhaven'theardofthiscompany,youareinforatreat.Paleovalleymakesbeefsticksfrom100%grass-fedandgrassfinishedbeef.Sothesecowswerenevergivenanygrainatall.Ifyougotopaleovalley.com/wellnessmamaandusethediscountcode"wellnessmama10,"youcanactuallygetupto40%offbecausetheyofferbulkdiscountsaswell,whichishowIorder.Now,ifyou'renotfamiliarwiththiscompany,Ithinkyou'regoingtolikeit.Theirproductsaregut-friendly,paleofriendly,glutenfree,soyfree,anddairyfree.Andthey'remadetheoldschoolway,whichmeansthey'renaturallyfermented.SoeachbeefstickcontainsabillionCFUsofprobiotics.Thesecowsarenevergivenantibioticsorhormonesandit'soneofthemostnutritioussnacksIfoundformykidsthatactuallyworksonthego.Soagain,checkitout,paleovalley.com/wellnessmama,withthecode"wellnessmama10"togetthediscount.Today'spodcastisalsobroughttoyoubyStudioPressSites.Thisisanall-in-oneplatformthatmakessettingupandrunningablogsupereasy.Itincludeshosting,themes,plugins,andmuchmore.Basically,it'sanall-in-onesolution,allforonemonthlypricewithoutalltheheadachesthatcomewithtryingtolearnitallyourself.IwishI'dhadhadthistoolwhenIstartedblogging.Andevenifyouhaveanexistingblog,itmaysaveyoutimeandmoneyandbeanupgradefromwhatyoucurrentlyhave.Socheckitoutatwellnessmama.com/studiopress.Andnowontotheepisode.

Katie:WelcometoTheHealthyMomsPodcast.I'mKatiefromwellnessmama.comandI'mreallyexcitedabouttoday'sguestbecausebesidesbeingapersonalfriend,she'salsooneofthemostbrilliantpeopleIknowandhashelpedthousandsandthousandsofpeople.Dr.IzabellaWentzisaninternationallyacclaimedthyroidspecialistandlicensedpharmacistwhohasdedicatedherentirecareertoaddressingtherootcauseofautoimmunethyroiddiseaseaftershewasdiagnosedwithHashimoto'sin2009.She'salsotheauthorofTheNewYorkTimesbestsellingpatientguide,"Hashimoto'sThyroiditis:LifestyleInterventionsinFindingandTreatingtheRootCause."Andhernewbookcalled,"Hashimoto'sProtocol:A90-DayPlanforReversingThyroidSymptomsandGettingYourLifeBack,"isjustnowavailableandI'msoexcitedforyouguystobeabletoreadandlearnfromthataswell.Andasapatientadvocate,aresearcher,aclinicianandaneducator,Izabella'scommittedtoraisingawarenessabouthowtoovercomeautoimmunethyroiddiseasethroughallofherwork.Andshealsohasagreatdocuseriescalled"TheThyroidSecret"andalsoapractitionertrainingtohelpcliniciansunderstandandtreatHashimoto'smoreeffectively.Izabella,thankyousomuchforbeinghere.Izabella:Katie,thankyousomuchforhavingmeout.I'msoexcitedtobeonyourpodcastbecauseI'msuchahugefanofyourwork.Katie:Oh,ditto.Iloveeverythingyoudoaswell.AndIrememberwhenIfirstmetyouandwestayedupalmostallnightataconferencejusttalkingaboutthyroiddiseaseandhealthandalltheseamazingthingsthatyouknow.AndI'mexcitedtogettoshareyouwithmyaudiencetoday.


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Izabella:Thankyousomuch.Katie:I'dlovetojustjumprightin.Iknowthatyou're,inmymind,you'reoneofthetopexpertsinthisbyfar.AndsoIthinkyoucanreallyhelpgiveusanunderstandingofthyroiddiseaseandhowtoknowifyouhaveitandhowtofindanswers.Ithinkthat'sabigstruggleforalotofwomenismaybetheyhaveresearchedandfoundthattheythinktheymayhavethyroiddiseasebutactuallygettingtotherootofitandfindingaclinicianoradoctorwhocanhelpthemisawholedifferentstory.Solet'sstartfromthebeginning.Whydoyouthinkweareseeinghigherratesofthyroiddiseaseandespeciallyinwomen?Iknowyou'vewrittenaboutthis.Izabella:Youknow,it'saverygoodquestionandalotofithastodowithtoxicityinourenvironment.Soweknowthatoverthelastyears,we'velookedattheratesofthyroiddisordersandtheykeepincreasing.Andit'snotjustbecausewehavebetterdiagnosticmethodsbutit'sbecausewehaveallthesetoxins.Andsovariousstudieshavefoundthathowcloseyoulivetolikeachemicalplant,childrenwhowereexposedtotheChernobyldisasterandalltheseotherplaceswherewewerebasicallyexposedtotoxins,we'regonnaseehigherratesofthyroidantibodieswhichindicatethatthethyroidglandisunderattackandthatthepersoneitherhasHashimoto'sorGravesdisease,whicharetheprimaryreasonswhyapersonwouldhaveasluggishthyroid.SojustoneexamplewouldbeduringtheChernobylincident,childrenwithincloseproximityoftheincident,80%ofthemhadthyroidantibodies.ComparingthattoUkrainianchildrenthatwerealittlebitfurtheraway,youknow,thosechildrenonlyhadmaybe10%,15%ofthemhadthyroidantibodies.Sowhywomenhavethyroiddisease,thisissomethingthatkeepsmeawakeatnightandhaskeptmethinkingaboutthisquiteabitbecauseweknowthatforeverymanthat'sdiagnosed,wehavefivetoeightwomenthatarediagnosed.We'renowlookingatabout27%ofourgeneralpopulationwithHashimoto'santibodies.AndSynthroidwasthenumberoneprescribedmedicationforliketwooutofthelastthreeyears.Itwasnumbertwolastyear.Vicodinfinallybeatitout.Thepointis,SynthroidissyntheticthyroidhormoneandmostpeoplethattakethismedicationactuallyhaveHashimoto's.Andlookingthroughallofthethingsthatcouldbecontributing,soweknowthatpregnancy,puberty,andperimenopausearethreepeaktimeswhenawomanismorelikelytobediagnosedwiththyroiddisease.Andsoweknowthathormonesseemtoplayarole.But,youknow,hormonesalonedon'texplainthebigchangesbecausetherearesomewomenwhomaybenevergothroughpregnancyorwomenwhohaven'tevenbeenthroughpubertyandthey'regonnabemoreaffected.Andthenwehavethetheorywithpersonalcareproducts.Onaverage,everywomanuses12orsopersonalcareproductswheremenuseaboutsix.AndIknowthatyoutalkaboutthisthroughyourworkandyourblogthatalotofthepersonalcareproductsaregoingtobefilledwithtoxins.Sothey'regoingtobefilledwithendocrinedisruptors,they'regonnabefilledwiththingsthatdisruptthyroidhormones,thatupsetestrogenlevels.OneexampleisTriclosanwhichhasbeenaddedtotheanti-bacterialsoapsandit'salsonowaddedtoourtoothpaste.Andsothisissomethingthat'srecentlybeenbannedbytheFDAbecauseofthyroiddisruption.Andwehavethousandsofchemicalslikethatthatwe'repotentiallyexposedtoonaday-to-daybasis.Makeup,forexample,wefoundthatwomenwhouselipstickaremorelikelytohavelupus,anothertypeofautoimmunecondition.


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Sure,nostudieshavebeendone.Butagain,thisisanotherfactorthatcanbecontributingtowhywomenhavehigherratesofthyroiddisorders.Andthen,youknow,whenIkindofthoughtaboutthisandIwentbackandIthoughtabout,like,okay,sowhywomen...whysomanywomen?BecauseIdon'tthinkpersonalcareproductscanaccountforallthis,Idon'tthinkhormonescanaccountforallthis.Sowhatelseisthere?Andgenerally,whenwethinkabouthowdiseasedevelops,fromanadaptivephysiologystandpointit'sgonnabefrompotentiallyawaythatitcouldbeprotective.Sothetheoryisthatpeoplegetautoimmunethyroiddiseasebecauseatonepointitwasprotective.Now,weknowthatintimesoffamineandwar,peoplewhodon'tneedasmanycaloriesandpeoplewhoarenotasadventurousandmorelikelytoretreatbackintotheirhomesweretheonesthatweremorelikelytosurvive.SooneexamplewastheIrishpotatofaminewherepeoplewhosurvivedtheIrishpotatofamineweremorelikelytobehypothyroidbecausetheydidn'tneedasmanycaloriestosurviveandgetby.Andsoinaway,hypothyroidismputsusinahibernation-likestate.Ithelpsustogetthroughtoughtimes.Sobackincavewomantimeswhenwewereallrunningaroundwith...runningawayfrombearsanddangerousanimalsandwerehidingfromthecoldweatherinourcavesandthathelpedoursurvival,itwaspossiblethatthyroiddiseaseplayedaprotectiverole.Also,weknowthatwomenhave,youknow,theprimarydutyofbringingnewlifeintothisworld.Ofcourse,mencontributebutwomen,we'retheonesthatcarrybabiesandwe'retheonesthatfeedandnourishthem.Andsoweknowthatintimesofwarandfaminewherethere'salotoftoxicity,there'snotgonnabe...forhelpingoursurvival,it'sprobablynotbesttobepregnantatthattime.Soitreallygoesbacktohowourbodieshavesortofadaptedtohelpingussurviveandhelpingourspeciessurvive.Sothat'skindofthewholetheorybasedonadaptivephysiologyisbasicallyanythingthatisthreatening,womenaregonnabeabletodialintothatandwomenaregonnabeableto...ourimmunesystemsaregonnabemoreresponsivetothatcomparedtomen'simmunesystemsbecausewehavetheimportantjobofbringingnewlifeintothisworld.Solongstoryshort,reallyanythingthatcouldbesettingoffyoursafetyalarm,makingyoufeellikeyou'renotsafe,whetherthatisanutrientdeficiency...so,youknow,incavewomantimesifyouwerenutrientdeficient,youwouldlikelynothaveenoughfoodsaround.Foodsensitivities,soanythingthatcausesyouinflammation.Incavewomantimeswewereprobablynoteatinggrassesandtheseotherthingsthatwe'reeatingnowthatarenotevenconsideredfoods.Infectionscanalsotriggerautoimmunethyroiddisease.Andifawomanhadaninfection,itwouldmakesenseforherprobablynottoreproduce.Andweknowthathypothyroidismissomethingthatslowsdownfertility.Andsothat'sanothermechanismthere.AndanotherthingthatIdon'tthinkalotofpeoplepayattentiontoorthinkaboutbuttrauma,aswellasstressfulevents,canactuallytriggerthyroiddiseaseaswell.Andwehavesomanydifferentstudiesoftraumaticevents,childhoodabuse,sexualabuse,beingprisonersofwar,anythingsthatreallycausetraumainourlivescancontributetothyroidhormoneabnormalities.So,youknow,inanutshell,anythingthatreallymakesusfeelunsafeisgoingtobecontributingtohigherlevelsofthyroiddisease.Andgenerally,beingawomanisnotassafeasbeingamaninourmodernworld.


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Katie:Thatmakesperfectsenseandittiesinsowell,alloftherootcausesyoutalkaboutinyourfirstbookandthenalsosowellinyoursecondbook.AndifI'mremembering,youhavealotofthesefactorsinyourownlife.Andifyoudon'tmindsharingalittlebit,youhaveHashimoto'saswellbutyou'renowinremission.Canyoutalkaboutyourownjourneyandhowyoureallygotintoresearchingandtohavesuchaheartforthyroidcare?Izabella:Yeah,ofcourse.Andso,infulldisclosure,Iwasneverreallyinterestedinthethyroidduringpharmacyschool.Itwasn'tuntilIwasdiagnosedwithHashimoto'sin2009afterIhadlikethisdecadealmostofstrangesymptomsiswhenIreallybecamepassionatebecauseIwantedtofigureoutiftherewasanythingIcandotostoptheprogressionoftheconditionorreversethecondition.Ofcourse,IknewthatIcouldtakemedicationswhichcanbevery,veryhelpful.ButIknewthattherewasmoretothat.ItwaslikemyimmunesystemwasattackingmythyroidglandandIwasjusttakingmorethyroidhormoneinsteadoftryingtostoptheautoimmuneattack.So,youknow,Ihadalotofdifferentsymptomsthroughout.SoIhad,youknow,ofcourse,childhoodtraumaandIhadnutrientdeficiencies.Ihadmultiplefoodsensitivities.Gluten,dairy,andsoyweresomeofmybigones.Ihadfourgutinfections.Ihadalotofstress.SoIhadanimpairedstressresponseandIalsohadhigherlevelsofmercuryinmybody.So,foralotofpeople,itreallyisaperfectstormofrootcauses.Somepeoplemightjusthaveonerootcause.Theymightjustbeglutensensitiveandtheygetoffoftheglutenandthenthey'reabletorecovertheirhealth.Otherpeople,theyhavetodoalittlebitmoredigging.Sotheymighthavetolookat,okay,whatfoodsamIsensitiveto?WhatnutrientsamIdeficientin?DoIhavechronicinfections?Whyismygutleaky?DoIhavetoxinsinmybody?Andthenhow'smystressresponse?WhatcanIdotoeitherresetmycurrentstressresponse?IsmylifereallystressfulnowwhereI'mnotgettinganysleep?OramIhyper-vigilantbecauseofsomepasteventsthatI'vehadinmylife?Andsosometimesit'sreallylikepeelingbackthelayersofanonion.Butthegoodnewsiswheneveryoudooneofthesethings,youstartgettingbetterandbetter.Katie:Yeah,I'venoticedthatinmyownlifeaswell.ButIthinkthepartthatissoamazingtomeisthatyou'vehadsuchsuccesswithhelpingsomanypeople,especiallywomen,toreallyfindtheirowncausesintherecovery.AndIfollowyouonFacebook,yourFacebookpage.Andit'samazingtoseeallthecommentsofwomanafterwomanwhohasseenallthesepositivechangesandwhofinallygotdiagnosedorfinallyfoundherownanswers.AndfromwhatIunderstand,you'veworkedwiththousandsofpeoplewithHashimoto's.Andwhilesomepeoplethinkthisiskindofalifelongsentenceorthatyoucanneverreallyimprove,you'reseeingpeopleseeimprovementwithinevenacoupleofweeks,evenpeoplewhohavebeensufferingforyears.Solet'stalkaboutthat.Howdoyoudothat?Howdoyouhavesuchamazingresultswiththesewomen?Izabella:Oneofthethingsis...andwhenIfirststarted,Iwaskindoflookingatwhatwereeverybody'striggersbecauseeverybody'striggersmightbeslightlydifferent.Likeonepersonmighthavebreastimplantsthatcreatedatoxicburdenintheirbodyandsotheirbody'sdetoxsystemsbecameoverwhelmed.Anotherpersonmighthavemoldexposure,anotherpersonmighthavegutinfection.Andthere'salotofdifferentkindoftriggersthatcouldcausethyroiddiseasebuttherearealsounderlyingkindofrootcausecommonalities.Andtherootcausecommonalitiesarethreedifferentsystemsthataregonnabeimpaired.Andthosesystemsaregonnabeliverdetoxcapabilities,theadrenals--soourstress


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response--andthenourgut.AndsowhatIdoisbasicallyIgothrough...Idon'twanttosaycookiecutterbutthey'reverysimilarinterventionsforeverybody,thatsendthesafetymessagestotheirbodies.SowhatIdonowwitheverybodyisIstartthemoffonaliversupportprotocolforabouttwoweeks.Andtheliversupportprotocol,ithelpsthemclearanytoxins.Sowe'renotdoinganythinglikeaforcefuldetoxoraheavymetalchelationwhichcanbe,forsomepeople...youknow,itcanmakethemworseinsteadofmakingthemfeelbetter.Butwhatwe'redoingiswe'relookingat,okay,whatinyourlifecouldbepotentiallyoverwhelmingyourdetoxsystemsandhowdowesupportthosedetoxsystemsnaturally?Andsothethingswe'regonnado,we'regonnabelookingatgettingridofsomeofthemostcommontoxicfoods.Thosearegonnabegluten,dairy,andsoy.We'regonnabelookingattryingtocleanuptheenvironment.SoImighthavepeoplegoonamakeup-free,personalcarefreetwoweekswheretheydon'tuseanypersonalcareproducts.OrIwillsendthemoveractuallytoyourblogandsay,"Hey,useKatie'srecipesfortheseproductsbecause...andmakealternativesforstuffwithinyourhome."Thenwe'realsolookingatgettingridofdifferenttypesofthingswithinourhomes.Sowe'regoingthroughandgettingridofalltheplastics,we'regettingridofalltheanti-bacterialsoaps,we'regettingpeopleafluoridefilter.Sofluorideisatoxinthatcansuppressthyroidfunction.Notmanypeopleknowthisbutitwasusedforpeoplewithanoveractivethyroidtosuppresstheirthyroidbeforemedicationsthatweremoreeffectivewereinvented.Needlesstosay,ifyou'redrinkingeightcupsofwater,offluoridatedwater,you'reprobablysuppressingyourthyroidjustwiththatdoseoffluoridethatyou'regetting.Andthenfluoride-freetoothpaste.Sowegothroughkindofachecklistofallthesethingsthatarepotentialtoxinswithinthehomeandwegetridofthose.Andthenwhatwealsodoisweaddinsomefoodsthatcanbedetoxifyingandhelpsupporttheliverpathways.Sowe'readdingmoreturmerictothediet,we'readdinggreenjuices,we'readdinggreensmoothies,we'redoingsomecilantro,thosekindsofthingsthatkindofsupportthedetoxpathwaysnaturally.Andthenwe'realsogonnabringinlikeatwo-weekliversupportprotocolwherewedoaliversupportpowderthathasalotofvitaminsandnutrientsinit.Idosomeproductsthathelptosupportliverfunctionnaturally,sowe'resupportingphaseoneandphasetwodetox.Somilkthistleisagreatexampleofanherbthatdoesthat.Turmericisanotherwonderfulsupplement.Andwedothatforabouttwoweeksandwekindofkickeverybodyoffonthatsoeverybody'sonthesamepage.Anditworksreally,reallywell.Istarteddoingthisafewyearsagowithmyclientsandjustsomeofthethingsthatimprovedwerelikealmostmiraculous.OneofthebiggestthingsIseeismultiplechemicalsensitivities.Peoplewhohavethose,thosecanlike,vanishwithintwoweeks.Mostpeoplewillseeatleastareductionabouthalfintheirmultiplechemicalsensitivities.Thenwestartseeingheadachesgoingaway,westartseeingfatigueimproving,westartseeingpeoplesayingthattheirjointpainsandbodypainsgoaway.Andthat'sjusttokindofkickthemoffwithintwoweeks.AndI'vedonethiswithmyclientsnow...it'ssortofaprerequisiteforworkingfurthertogetherandit'salsosomethingI'veusedinmygroupprogram.AndI'vealsosurveyedpeoplewithinmygroupprogramand65%ofthemfeltsignificantlybetterjustwithinthefirsttwoweeksoftheliversupportprotocol.Katie:That'sincredible,especiallybecauseIfeellikefatigueandtirednessandjustthatfeelingofthyroiddiseaseisoneofthebiggestthingsandoneofthehardesttoreallyquantifyorforadoctortogettothebottomof.Sothat'sincredibletoseeoverhalfofthepeopleseeingthateveninafewweeks.You


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mentionedthatnutrientdeficienciescanmaybeleadtothyroiddiseaseandalsothattherearetimeswhenyouhavethyroiddiseasewhenyouactuallyhavenutrientdeficienciesrelatedtothataswell.SowhataresomeofthemorecommononesthatyoutendtoseefrompeoplewhohaveHashimoto's?Izabella:Youknow,thereallybigoneisgonnabeselenium.Soseleniumis,therearesomanystudiesthathaveshownthatitcanbeatrigger...aseleniumdeficiencycanbeatriggerforHashimoto's.Itcanbesomethingthat'satriggerforGravesdiseaseaswellaspostpartumthyroiditis.Andsosupplementingwithseleniumcanhelpallthree.Generally,Irecommendselenomethionineat200microgramsperday.YoucangetseleniumfromBrazilnutsaswellexceptforwedon'tnecessarilyknowhowmuchseleniumisinaBrazilnutbecausesomeofthemmighthavehigherlevels,othersmighthavelowerlevels,dependingonthesoilswherethey'regrown.Andthethingtorememberwithseleniumisit'slikeaGoldilocksnutrient.Sowedon'twanttogettoohighamountsofitbecausewhenitgoesabove800micrograms,itcanbecometoxic.Sogenerally,that'ssomethingthatIrecommendusingasasupplementfrom200to400microgramsaday,havepeoplestartwith200.AndtheresultsthatI'veseenwithitarepeoplestartfeelingmorecalm.Sothatthyroidanxietygoesaway.Theystarthavingmoreenergy.SoseleniumhelpstoimproveT4toT3conversion,asdoestheliversupport.Sothatexplainswhypeoplehavemoreenergywhentheydothesethings.Andthenwealso...what'sanicesidebenefitiswithinthreemonthswhenweretestpeople'sthyroidantibodies,ingeneralthey'llreducebyabouthalf.Andsothere'ssomecontroversyonthisfromvarioustypesofpractitionersbutwhatI'vefoundandwhattheresearchhasshownisthatthyroidantibodiescanbeusedasoneofthemarkerstodeterminehowaggressivetheautoimmuneattackisonthethyroidgland.Andsowheneverweseeaninterventionthatreducesthyroidantibodies,inmostcasesthisisareallygoodthingbecausethatmeansthatwe'vemadetheconditionlessaggressive.Andsojustwiththisonesupplement,wecouldseeareductioninabouthalfforpeople'sthyroidantibodies.Sothat'soneofthebigones.TheotheronesaregonnabevitaminD.SogettingvitaminDlevelsupbetween60and80isgonnabereallyhelpfulforgettingintoremission.Ferritinlevelsmaybedeficient.Soferritinisanironstorageproteinandyouneedtogettestedforthistomakesurethatyouarewithinagoodrangeforthat.Generallyifyouwanttohavegoodhair,youwanttohaveaferritinsomewherebetween70and90.Ferritinisoneofthosenutrientsthat'sdeficientinpeoplewiththyroiddiseaseandofteninonesthathavetroublewiththeirhair,energy,andareshortofbreath.Thenwe'realsolookingatBvitamins.B-12isoneofthemorecommononesthat'sdeficient.Andalsothiamineisanothervitaminthat'sverycommonlydeficient.Irecommendabout600milligramsofthiamineaday.Withinthreedaysorso,takingathiaminesupplementcanreversetheperson'sfatigue.It'squiteimpressive,veryamazingwhatitcando.AndthenanotherbigoneIseeismagnesiumdeficiencyandthiscanbereallyagamechangerforwomenwhohavemenstrualcrampsoranykindofpain,anxiety,insomnia.Andtakingmagnesiumcitrateatbedtimecancompletelyturnthataround.Iusedtohaveseveremenstrualcrampsandthenwithinthefirstmonthoftakingmagnesium,Iwaslike,"Whathappenedtomymenstrualcramps?They'regone."AndI'vehadsomanyclientsoverandovercomebackwiththesamethingwheretheyweretakingmedications,theyweretakingbirthcontroltotrytosuppresstheirmenstrualcramps.Andwithinthefirstmonth,it'slike,"Oh,myperiodcame.Ididn'tevenknowitwascomingtodaybecauseIdidn'thave


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anycramps."Sothatcanbeanotherkindofreallyhelpfulthing.Andreally,thesenutrientscanbecompletegamechangersonceyoureplenishthem.Katie:Yeah,that'samazing.Soarethesethingspeople...doyoutypicallyrecommendthemtryingtogetitfromfood?Orwiththyroiddisease,isthereatimeforcarefulsupplementationwiththese?Izabella:Ireallyloveforpeopletogeteverythingfromfoodasmuchastheycan.Butasyoumentioned,thyroiddiseasecanmakeushaveamoredifficulttimewithabsorbingnutrientsfromourfood.Andsointheshortterm,asyou'retryingtogetbetter,youmayrequiresomesupplementation.Andsosomeofthewaysthathypothyroidismcaninterferewithnutrientabsorption,oneofthemishavinglowstomachacid.Andsooftentimes,we'llfindthatpeoplewithhypothyroidismeithermakenostomachacidortheymakehardly...likeverytinybitsofit.Andsowhenyouhavelowstomachacid,thismeansthatyou'reprobablynotgonnabeabsorbingyourironorferritinverywell.Ofcourse,oneofthethingstodoistoworkongettingyourstomachacidlevelsup.Peoplecandothiswithgettingapplecidervinegar,withdrinkinghotlemonwaterinthemorning,aswellasusingasupplementdigestiveenzymecalledBetainewithpepsinwiththeirprotein-containingfoods.Andthenalsoworkingontheunderlyingrootcauses.Soalotoftimeswe'llseealotofgutdysfunctioninthyroiddisease.Partofthatisbasicallywhenyouhavelowthyroid,itslowsdownyourgutmotility.Andsothenyou'regonnabemoreatriskforhavingthingslikesmallintestinalbacterialovergrowth,whichwillthenmeanthatinsteadofyouabsorbingthenutrientsfromyourfood,thatallofyourbacteriaareabsorbingit.Also,smallintestinalbacterialovergrowthisalsoatriggerforthyroiddiseaseandthesamewithH.pylori,whichisaninfectionthatcanoccurinthestomach.Andsoalotoftimeswe'rekindof...we'renotsureifit'sthechickenortheegg.Whatwedoknowisoncewegetridoftheseinfectionsthatthepersonfeelsbetterandtheirthyroidantibodiesimproveandthentheirdigestionimprovesandthey'reabletodigestfoodsbetter.Andsoonceweaddressthesetypesofinfections,wecanstartutilizingmorefoodasamedicineratherthandoingsupplements.Butalotoftimes,oncepeoplehavethyroiddiseasethey'regonnabesonutrientdepletedthatittakestakingthesenutrientsinveryhighdosestokindofovercomewhatthebacterianeed.Becausewhenwethinkaboutwhat'sinfood,foodhasverylike,Iwouldsaysmalldosesofvitaminsandnutrients.Andit'sjustbecauseyou'reeatingitonaconstantbasisishowyou'rereplenishingyourstores.Withthevitamins,whatwe'redoingiswe'redoingmegadosinginalotoftimescomparedtowhatyouwouldgetfromfood.Andsometimesyouneedthatmegadosingtosortof,youknow,feedyourselfandfeedthebacteriaratherthanthemstealingeverythingfromyourfoodifthatmakessense.Katie:Yeah,absolutely.Andthatexplainstoowhysincethere'sthegutconnectionandthenutrientlevelconnections,whyjustsomethingliketreatingthesymptomsofthyroiddiseasewithSynthroidisnotgoingtofixthoseotherproblems.Soevenifyou'regettingyournumbersmaybebetter,you'restillgonnahavethefatigueandsomeoftheotherissuesandyouhavetotakeotherstepstoreallykindoffixthataswell.AnotherquestionIknowIgetalotfromreadersandthatIthinkyouhavesomereallygoodanswerstoiswhataresomespecificthingswomencandotohelploseweightwiththyroiddisease?Becausethat'sobviouslyasymptombutalsoit'stypicallyverydifficulttoloseweightonceonehasthyroiddisease.Sohowdoyouaddressthat?Izabella:Yeah,soweightgainisoneofthemostcommonsymptomsofthyroiddisease.Andthere'safewdifferentthingsthatyoucandoandIkindofwouldwanttohaveyougothroughachecklistofthings.Andoneofthemismakingsurethatyouareusingappropriatemedicationifthat'ssomethingthatyou'relookinginto.Somakingsurethatyou'retakingnotjustsyntheticthyroidhormone,T4,butyou'realso


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gettingsomeoftheT3,whichisthemoreactivethyroidhormone.AndyoucangetT3fromamedicationlikeArmourThyroid,Nature-Throid,WPThyroid.YoucouldgetthatthroughamedicationknownasCytomel.Andthenyoucanalsogetthisthroughacompoundingpharmacist.Therearesomepeoplethathavebenefitedfromglandularsaswell.SothestandardprocesshasaglandularthatisknownasThytrophinPMGthathashelpedsomepeopleslightlyingettingtheirT3levelsoptimizedandfeelingbetter.Sothisisgonnabeoneofthefirstthingstodoismakesurethatyou'reoptimizedonthat.SomeotherwaysyoucansupportyourT3levelsaregonnabethroughsupportingyourliver,supportingyourstressresponse,soputtingyourselfmoreateaseandbeingmorerelaxed,andthenyou'realsogonnabedoingthingslikeseleniumtohelpwiththeconversionofT4toT3.Sothetheoryofwhyweholdontoweightisbecauseourbodythinksit'sstarvingandbecauseitisbasicallysaying,"Okay,weneedtoconserveenergy,weneedtoconserveresources."AndsoIalwaysgobacktothinkingabout,like,wellwhatareyoudoinginyourlifethat'smakingyourbodythinkthatitneedstoconserveenergyandresources?Sobesides,ofcourse,gettingonappropriatemedicationwe'realsogonnabetryingtosendthosesafetysignalstothebody.Sothat'sgonnabe...youknow,alotofwomenexercisealotandthentheykeepputtingonweightortheydon'tloseweight.Andwhenyouthinkaboutit,whenyou'redoingalotofexercise,youcouldbesendingastresssignaltoyourbodythatyouarebeingchasedbybearsalldayeveryday.Andgettingactuallylessexercisecanbehelpfulforsomepeople.SoI'vehadafewclientsthatweredoingalotofwalkingandtheywerelike,"Okay,Ijustkeeponputtingweight.Idon'tknowwhat'sgoingon."Andsowhatweendedupdoingiswetestedtheiradrenals.I'vehadthreeclientslikethistoday.Andwhentheiradrenalscameback,theywereinstagethreeadrenaldysfunction.Sotheywerebarelygettingby.AndIactuallyhadthemdomorerestinginsteadofmorewalking.Soitseemscounterintuitivebuttheyactuallyfeltbetterwhentheyweregettingmorerest,ofcourse.Andtheyalsostartedlosingweight.Sothisissomethingthatcanbekindofcounterintuitivebutcouldbeveryhelpful.Makingsureyou'regettingplentyofsleepisgonnabereallyimportant.Peopleoftentimeswilltrytopushthemselveswhentheyhavethyroiddiseasebecauseitmakesyoureallytiredandthenyoufeelbadthatyou'renotgettingthingsdone.Andsothekeyistokindofgowithitbecauselistentowhatyourbodyistryingtotellyouandtryingtogetmorerest,tryingtogetadequatesleepeachnightcanbeveryhelpfulwiththat.Anotherthingthatpeoplefindhelpfulisusingprobiotics.Sobasicallycrowdingoutthebacteriaoutofyourgutthatextractalotofnutrientsfromyourfood.Sowhat'sinterestingistherehavebeenstudiesdoneinpeoplewhowereoverweightcomparedtopeoplewhowereofaverageweight.Andthepeoplewhowereoverweighthadmoredifferenttypesofbacteriawithintheirgut.Andthesebacteriabasically...ifyouate100calories,theywouldtakethat100caloriesanddistributeitthroughoutyourbodyversusthepeoplewhowereofaverageweightandthebacteriamightonlyextractapercentageofthosecalories.Theotherthingkindofthatcanhappenissomepeoplethathavechallengingissuesmayendupwithsomethingknownaslike,adamagedmetabolismwhere,forexample,skippingbreakfastforawhileorfastingorhavingbloodsugarissuesbasicallysentalotofmessagestotheirbodyovertimethattheyjustneededtoconserveenergyandthattheyneededtoconserveresources.Andinthosecases,varioussupplementsmightbehelpfultohelpresetthat,totrytoresetthatwholeresponse.


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Katie:That'sfascinatingthateventwopeopleeatingthesamefoods,theirgutbacteriacanactuallytakemoreandstoreitfromsomeonewhohasthoseissues.That'sreallyinteresting.Izabella:It'sreallyinterestingandIthinkit'sreallyannoyingtoobecauseyoucouldbeeating...ifyouhavethyroiddiseaseandyouhadanidenticaltwinsisterandyouwereeatingexactlythesamebutyouhaddifferentgutbacteriaandyouhadanunderactivethyroid,youcouldbebasicallyputtingonweightwhenyourtwinsisterwouldjustbestayingthesameweight.Anditcanbeveryfrustrating.Butitalso,Ithink,isempoweringtoknowallofthedifferentfactors.Andoneoftheimportantthingsisjustnottoblameyourselfandnotlistentopeoplethattellyouthatyouneedtoexercisemoreandeatlessbecausemoreexerciseandcalorierestrictionisgonnatellyourbodythatyouneedtoconserveenergy.Likeit'llworkintheshorttermbutinthelongterm,it'lljustkindofdamageyourmetabolism.Soyoureallyneedtothinkabouthowdoyoumakeyourbodyfeellikeit'ssafeandhowdoyoumakeyourbodyfeellikefoodisabundant?Andyoudothatwithreallygoodnutrientdensefood,withmakingsureyou'regettingplentyofvitamins,plentyofrest,andbeingkindtoyourselfandgoingtothespaorstayinghomeandtakinganap.Whichofcourseisnottheeasiestwhenyouhavelittlechildren.ButifyoucangetyourfamilytosendyoutothespaforMother'sDayorforanotherholiday,Ithinkthatwouldbeagreatstepintherightdirection.Katie:Ilovethat.AndIlovethattakinganapmightactuallybebetterforweightlossinsomecasesthangoingforarun.Ithinkthat'llbeencouragingtoalotofpeopletohear.JustareminderthatthisepisodeisbroughttoyoubyPaleovalley.Ifyouaren'tfamiliarwiththem,I'llexplainwhythey'reoneofmyfavoritecompaniesthatIfoundrecently.Theymakeamongotherthingssomeamazinggrass-fedbeefsticks.Thesearenonperishable.Theydon'thavetoberefrigerated,sothey'regreattotakealonginyourpurseforhungrykids.Buttheyareevenbetterthanthat.There'salotofdifferentmeat-basedproductsoutthere,meatbars,beefjerky,etc.Buttheirsstandsout.It'smadefrom100%grass-fedandgrassfinishedbeefthatwasnevergivengrainatall.It'salsograinfree,dairyfreeandsoyfree.Butit'sevenbetterthanthat.Theirbeefsticksaremadetheoldschoolmethod.They'renaturallyfermented,whichmeanseverysinglebeefstickcontainsonebillionCFUsofprobioticsaswellashighlevelsofOmega-3.SothesearesnacksIfeelgreataboutgivingtomykidsandthattheylove.Andyoucangetadiscountofupto40%bygoingtopaleovalley.com/wellnessmamaandusingthecode"wellnessmama10."Thatcodewillgetyou10%offbuttheyalsoofferbothdiscountsofupto30%offifyouorderinbulklikeIdo.Socheckitout.Iknowyou'lllovethemasmuchasIdo.Today'spodcastisalsobroughttoyoubyStudioPressSites.Haveyoueverthoughtaboutstartingyourownblogormaybeyoualreadyhaveone?Ifso,you'reprobablyoverwhelmedbyallthetechnicaldetailsrequiredtogetasiteupandrunning.There'spurchasingadomainnameandahostingaccount,installingWordpress,thethemes,theplugins,thensettingeverythinguptoworkcorrectly.Andthisisallbeforeyouevenstartedwriting.I'vebeenbloggingforover10yearsandIknowalltoowellthemanyheadachesandtechnicalchallengesthatstartingablogcancreate,especiallywhengeekspeakisnotmyfirstlanguage.That'swhyI'msuperexcitedabouttoday'ssponsor,StudioPressSites.StudioPressSitesisanall-in-oneblogcreationplatformandit'satoolIwishIhadwhenIfirststartedoutasitwouldhavesavedmehundredsofhoursand


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thousandsofdollars.ThisamazingbloggingresourceisWordpressmadeeasy,allwithoutsacrificingpowerorflexibility.It'sperfectforbloggers,podcasters,affiliatemarketers,aswellasanyonesellingphysicalproducts,digitaldownloadsormembershipprograms.StudioPressSitesispoweredbythecreatorsoftheGenesisframework,thesoftwareI'veusedonWellnessMamaforyears.Itincludessuperfastandsecurehosting,20mobilefriendlythemeddesigns,advancedSEOtools,automaticsoftwareupdates,one-clickinstallsofallthebestplugins,andworldclasscustomersupport,allforonelowmonthlyfee.CheckoutStudioPressSitestodaybygoingtowellnessmama.com/studiopress.Andnowbacktotheepisode.Katie:Andanotherthing,itseemslikethere'salotofmisinformationwhenitcomestowithdietingandwomenandespeciallythyroiddiseaseaboutlow-carbandketogenicdiets.Which,ofcourse,havealotofbenefitsinalotofotherwaysbuttherearesomespecificdifferencesforpeoplewiththyroiddisease.Isthatright?Orhowdoyouaddressthosekindofthings?Izabella:Youknowwithcarbohydrates,Ithinkit'saveryindividualthingbecauseforsomepeople,theymightdoreallywellonthelowcarbohydratediet.Therewasastudydonein...IbelieveitwasinItaly,thatjustwaspublishedearlierthisyear.Anditshowedthatpeoplewhowere...theycalledita"low-carbdiet."Anditwaslow-carbbutitalsowas,IwouldsayveryclosetotheautoimmunePaleodiet.Andtheycomparedthattoalow-caloriestandardWesterndietthatincludedbreadsandriceandthings.Andtheyactuallyfoundthatpeopleonthelowercarbdiethadlowerthyroidantibodiesandthenlostweightwithinthreeweeks.Andsoforsomepeople,itdoesworkreallywell.Andforothers,thelow-carbdietmightnotworkaswell.Andsoyouwanttothinkaboutwhataresomeofthereasonswhyalow-carbdietmightnotwork.Oneofthereasonscouldbebecausepeoplewhohaveissueswithproteinandfatabsorption.Soapersonmayneedto,forexample,takedigestiveenzymestohelpthemdigestprotein,mayneedtotakedigestiveenzymestohelpthemdigestfats.Anotherthingisgonnabeforsomepeoplethelowcarbscanactuallyputtheminastressresponsewheretheirbodiesthinkthatthey'rebeingdeprived.AndsoitreallyiskindoflikesomethingthatIencourageeverybodytoexperimentwithandkindofmodifyyourintake.SolikeIcan'tsaythatthere'sthisoneperfectthyroiddietasfarasthemacronutrientsgobecausesomepeoplearebetteratburningfat,somepeoplearebetteratcarbohydrates.Andsomepeoplearebetterat...like,thriveonprotein.SoitreallyiskindofIwouldsaytrialanderrorwiththat,tryingtomodifyyourcarbohydrateintake.Katie:Thatmakessense.Butyoudoseepeoplewho,evenwiththyroidissues,candoreallywellonlow-carb.BecauseIknowthere'skindofthatadviceouttherethatifyouhaveanykindofthyroidissue,youshouldneverdolow-carb.AndIfeellikesomepeopledoseemtodowellonit.Haveyoufoundthattoo?Izabella:Yeah,absolutely.AndIthinkit'skindoflikeoneofthoseneversay...it'skindofoneofthosemythsthatifyouhavethyroiddisease,youshouldneverdolow-carb.BecauseI'veactuallyseenpeopledoreallywellonthelowcarbohydratediet.Ofcourse,noteverybodybutwe'llhavesomepeoplethatwillevengointoketosis.Andthat'sahugegame-changerforthem.Sothey'llstartlosingweight,theirmoodfinallyimproves,theirbrainfogresolves.Andit'snotsomething,ofcourse,thatyoushouldbe...it'snotsomethingyoushouldbeafraidof,let'sjustputitthisway.Butit'sdefinitelysomethingtoexperimentwith.


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AndIalwaysrecommendforpeopletonotreallybuyintoallofthedietdogmasouttherebecauseweknowtherearesomanyofthem.Andtrytolistentotheirownbodiesbecausedeterminingtherightdietforyoushouldbebasedonwhoyouarerightnowinthemoment,yourgeneticbackground,whatkindofstressesyouhaveinyourlife,howyourdigestivecapabilityis.There'sjustsomanydifferentconditionsthatcanimpacthowyoushouldmodifyyourdiet.Inmybook,"TheHashimoto'sProtocol,"Iactuallyhaveachapteronhowtomodifyyourdiet.IsharedthemosthelpfuldietsforHashimoto's,whicharegonnabebasedonthepaleoprotocolortheautoimmunepaleoprotocol,withsortofarootcausetwistwhereIfoundcertainthingsjust...forexample,seaweedsdon'tworksowellforpeoplewithautoimmunethyroiddisease.Butwealsohaveachapteronhowtomodifyyourdietifyou'renotgettingthebestresults.Solookingintolike,okay,doyouneedtoloweryourcarbintake,increaseyourcarbintake,changeyourproteinintake?Doyouneedtoadjustyourdigestiveenzymeslevels,tokindofhelppeoplefigurethatoutandtroubleshootbecauseitcanbealittlebitchallenging.Katie:Iagree.AndI'llmakesuretolinktothatandalsotoyourwebsite,whichisthyroidpharmacist.com,becauseyouhavesomanygoodresourcesforpeoplereallytryingtopinpointthat.Anotherthingthatseemstobereallypopularrightnowisintermittentfasting.AndIknowthattherearealsosomespecificthingsyouwanttobeawareof,especiallyasawomanandespeciallywiththyroiddisease.Sowhat'syourtakeonthewholeintermittentfastingcrazerightnow?Izabella:Ithinkitcouldworkreally,reallywellforveryhealthypeople,youknowwhatImean,thatarejusttryingtooptimizeandimprovetheirhealth.Butwhenyouhavethyroiddisease,alotoftimesyouhavealotofbrokensystemswithinyourbody.Therearecertaintypesofinterventionslikeheavymetalchelation,fasting,there'sdifferenttypesofenemasthatpeoplehavedone,vegandiets,thatareverytrendyandcanbeveryhelpfulfortheaveragehealthyperson.Butwhenyou'redealingwithhypothyroidism,oneoftheissuesthatyouhaveisadrenalissuesandthenbloodsugarimbalances.Andanykindoffastingcanactuallypotentiallyworsentheadrenals.Soit'snotsomethingIrecommendformostpeoplewiththyroiddiseaseunlesstheyknowthattheiradrenalsforsurearenottheissue.Iwouldsayinmyexperience,about90%ofmyclients,andIworkwithmoreadvancedcases,90%ofthemhavesomedegreeofadrenaldysfunction.Onlyabout10%havenormaladrenaltests.Andforthat10%,intermittentfastingmightbefine.Thatmightnotsetthemoff.ButwhatI'veseenwithmyclientsandfastingisthattheyactuallyfeelworseandthentheirbodiessortofstartbreakingthemselvesdown,whichwedon'twant.Somostpeoplewithhypothyroidismareinlikeacatabolicprocesswheretheirbodyisbreakingitselfdownforfuel.Andyouwanttheopposite.Youwanttheanabolicprocesswhereyou're...ifyouthinkaboutanabolic,youthinkofthesebodybuildersthatbuildanabolicsteroids.Andthat'ssortofanoffshootofthatbutbasically,youwantyourbodytobuilditselfup.Andthefastingcanactuallyputourbodyinthatbreakingdownwhenwe'rehypothyroidespecially.Katie:Gotcha.Soitwouldbebettertofocusonjustthosereallynutrientdensefoodsandjustnourishingyourbodyandresting,especiallyifyou'rekindofinthatacutephasebasically?Izabella:Yeah.Andactually,eatingalotoffoodsandjustkindofsendingyourbodythosesafetysignalslike,"Hey,there'splentyoffoodaroundandwe'regettingyounourished."Becauseyou'regonnabesonutrientdepletedthatthefastingcanworsenthat.Andyoudon'twantthat.


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Katie:Thatmakesperfectsense.AndsoIwanttokindofwrapupwithhopeforanyonelisteningbecauseforyearsIwaslookingforapractitionerwhocouldhelpmefindtherootofmyownproblemandeventuallyreallyhelpedmythyroid.AndittookalongtimeandalotofyearsandIwasn'tclosetoanyofthesepeople.Infact,thedoctorIfinallyendedupworkingwithisafour-hourplanerideaway,whichishardformostpeople.SoIsendpeopletoyourblogallthetimebecauseyouhavesomanyresourcestohelppeoplefigureoutasmuchaspossibletheirownissuesandtostartaddressingthem.Butforsomeonewhomaybedoesn'thaveadoctorwho'sknowledgeableaboutthesethingsoristryingtojustfigureoutasmuchastheycanontheirown,whatwouldyourecommend,justfromdietaryandfromyourownwebsite?Youhavesomanygreatresourcesbutwherecantheystart?Izabella:Yeah,so...andjustasaquickreminder,Ialsohaveadoctordatabaseonthethyroidpharmacistwebsite,sopeoplecanlookforthatandjustlookforlocalpractitioners.Wehavepatientsthathavesubmittedpractitionersthatcanhelp.Andso,youknow,findingdoctorrightisalwayskindofabigchallenge.It'slookingatmakingsurethedoctorisfamiliarwithalltypesofthyroidmedications,notjustT4,it'smakingsurethedoctorpracticesfrommoreofarootcausefunctionalmedicineapproach.Andalotofthathastodowithyoureallycallingthedoctor'sofficeandinterviewingthem.Sothat'skindofabigthingwithfindingdoctorright.ButIlovewhatyoujustsaid.It'slike,okay,soyes.Therecanbedoctorsthatcanhelpusbutwhatarethethingsthatwecandoinourlivesrightnowthatcanhelpourselves?AndIthinkthebiggestthingsaregonnabemakingsurethatyoucangetyournutritiondialedin.Soyoualoneholdthekeytochangingupyourdiet.SowecangiveyouallthetoolsandresourcesandIhave...youknow,youhaveplentyofthemonhowtogoglutenfree,dairyfree,soyfree,andIhavesomeaswell.Andsostartingoffwiththatismakingsureyou'reeatingadietthat'sfreeofthereactivefoodsinthyroiddisease,whicharegluten,dairy,andsoy,toastartingpoint.Makingsurethatyou'reproperlynourishedwithnutrients.SoIhaveaquickstarterguideandsomeblogsonvariousnutrientslikeselenium,vitaminD,thiamine,Bvitamins,thatyoucanstarttakingonyourown.Andofcourse,it'salwaysgoodtocheckwithyourdoctorifyouhaveanyhealthcondition.Reallythinkingabouthowyoudealwithstressandyourstressresponse.Sostressisoneofthebiggestthingsthatmakespeoplewiththyroiddiseaseworse.Andsothinkingabouthowyoucanresetthat,sothat'sgonnabegettingplentyofsleep,makingsureyourbloodsugarisbalancedanddoinganykindofmindfulnesstechnique,whateveryoucouldfigureout,somethingtocalmyourself,whetherthat'sdoingyoga,whetherthat'sdoingmeditation.I'mnotoneofthosepeoplethat'ssupersitinacornerandmeditate,soIactuallyhadtogetsomethingtogetmymonkeybrainintomeditation.AndI'vedonedifferenttypesofappsandneurofeedback,aswellasthere'sanewthingoutcalledMusethatIthinkisreallygreat.Anditkindofteacheshowtoputyourbraininthatcalmstatesothatyou'renotaslikelytobehyper-vigilant,whichwetalkedaboutcanbesomethingthathappenswhenpeoplebasicallygothrough...haveahistoryoftrauma.Theycanbecomehyper-vigilantandgettingjustafewminutesadayofreallycalmthinkingcanhelpresetthat.


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Andthesearethingspeoplecandojustintheirhomesrightnow.Itdoesn'ttakeadoctortellingyoutodothat.AndIconsiderthesethefundamentalsofhealing,ismakingsureyou'regettingplentyofsleep,makingsureyou'retakingtimeforyourselftorelaxandjustbemindfulandthennourishingyourself.Katie:Yeah,Ithinkthat'shugeandIthinkevenifyouareatthelevelwhereyouneedadoctor,doingthosethingsfirstorwhileyou'researchingfortherightpractitionerisgonnaalsogiveyousuchalegupwhenyou'reworkingwithsomeoneandyouwon'thaveasfarofadistancetohavetocoverwiththem.Andyoumaybewillnoticeevenabiggerdifferencefromtheinterventionstheydobecauseyou'vealreadybeentryingtosupportyourbodynutritionally.SoIthinkthat'ssuchawesomeadvice.AndI'llmakesuretolinktoallthepoststhatyou'vementionedandalsotoyourbookwhichI'msoexcitedabout.Canyoutalkalittlebitaboutthebookandhowpeoplecanfindit?Izabella:Yeah,absolutely.Somynewbookiscalled"TheHashimoto'sProtocol."AndoneofmyreadersactuallygavemethisideabecausemyfirstbookwasaboutmyjourneyandalltheresearchIdid.AndIjustpresentedawholebunchofinformationouttopeoplethatIdidformyselftorecovermyhealth.ButIthinkalotofpeopleloveddiggingfortheirhealthandIkindofgavethemtheframeworktodothat.Andwe'vehad,Ithinkoverclosetomaybeathousandsuccessstoriesthathavecomefromthatbook.AndI'mvery,veryproudofthatandI'mveryhumbledbyitaswell.AndImetoneofmyreaderswhenIwasdoingatalkinChicagoandshesaid,"Youknow,itwouldbereallygreatthat...youknow,Ilovediggingformyhealthbutitwouldbereallygreatifyoucouldjustgivemeaprotocol,justgivemeexactlywhatIneedtodo."Andasahealthnerd,atfirstIdidn'treallygetthat.ButthenIwenttoapilatesclasswithareallyintenseinstructorwhowaslike,"Okay,Izabella,you'regonnahavepilateshomework.Thisisthemuscleyou'reworkingwiththisexercise."AndIwaslike...herknowledgewasjustlostonme.Iwaslike,"JusttellmehowtoraisemylegbecauseIwantto...youknow,it'sswimsuitseason.Iwanttolookgoodinmyswimsuit."AndsoIwantedtokindofboilitdownforpeoplesotheydon'thavetonecessarilybecomeHashimoto'sexpertstorecovertheirhealth,whereIgivethemaplanofallthedifferentthingstheycandoontheirowntostartrecoveringtheirhealth.Anditgoesthroughtheliver,adrenals,andgutprotocols.Theliveristwoweeks,adrenalsisfourweeks,andgutissixweeks.Andtheseareinterventionsthataregonnabasicallysupportyourliver,supportyourstressresponse,andsupportyourgut,thataregonnabehelpfulforjustabouteverybodywiththyroiddisease.Sothat'sgonnabethefirstpartofthebookknownasthefundamentalprotocols.Thesecondpartofthebookisbasedonmyfewyearsofworkingwithvariouspeoplewiththyroiddisease.SoI'veworkedwithoverathousandpeoplenowandI'veidentifiedsomereallyinterestingrootcausesandhavecomeupwithaseriesofassessmentstohelppeoplepinpointtheirrootcauses.Sowegothroughanassessmentsectionwherewehavebasicallyawholebunchofquestions.Notthatmanybutenough.Andthequestionswilltakeyoutowhichoftheadvancedprotocolsyouneedtodo.Sothere'salsosixadvancedprotocolswithinthebookthatdealspecificallywithtoxins.Theydealwithtrauma,optimizingthediet,optimizingnutrients,optimizingthyroidhormones,aswellaslookingoversomeadditionaltypesoftriggersandrootcausesthatmaybealittlebitmorerarefortheaverageperson.Sowereallygothroughthattogivepeopleacomprehensiveplan.Andratherthanspendingallthistimetryingtofigureoutwhatyourindividualcausesare,whatyoucandoisyoucanstartdoingtheinterventionsthataregonnasupportthethreebodysystemsthatareimpairedrightawayasyoustartdiggingforsomeofthosemoreadvancedrootcausesifthat'sstillaneedforyou.Alotofpeoplejustwith


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thefundamentalprotocolswillbeabletorecovertheirhealth.AndI'mreally,reallyexcitedaboutgettingthisbookoutthere.AndKatie,youknowhowharditistowriteabookandI'vebeenwritingitsince2014.I'veworkedreally,reallyhardtomakeitasapproachableandashelpfulforpeopleasitpossiblycanbe.AndI'mreallyhopefulthatit'llhelppeoplerecovertheirhealth.I'mreallyaimingforgetting5000successstoriesfromthisbookwithinthefirstyear.AndpeoplecanfinditonAmazon.Katie:Absolutely.AndIwilllinktoitaswellbutI'llalsoechowhatyousaidbecauseIgottoreadanadvancedcopyandit'samazing.AndIthinkyouaregoingtochangeso,somanyliveswithit.Andmoreimportantly,you'regonnagivepeoplehopebecausehavingbeenthroughthyroiddiseasemyself,Ithinkthat'salmostthehardestpartissometimesyoujustfeelsohopeless.Andyoumakeit...likeyousaid,it'sveryapproachable,it'sveryeasytodo.It'salmostlikeachecklistthatyoucanjusttakeandapplywithouthavingtounderstandallthescienceunlessyouwantto.AndIthinkthat'sgonnajustbeagame-changerforsomanypeople.Izabella:Thankyou.Thatreallymeansalotcomingfromyou.Katie:Ican'twait.AndIwoulddefinitelyencourageanybodylisteningwhohasanyofthesymptomsofthyroiddiseaseorwho'sunsureandtryingtofigureitouttocheckitoutalsobecauseIthinkit's...likeIsaid,it'sgonnareallyhelpso,somanypeople.AndI'llmakesuretoincludelinkstoeverythingyoutalkedaboutaswellforanyonewhowantstolookattheshownotesonwellnessmama.com.Andyoualsohavesomanyresourcesonthyroidpharmacist.comthattheycanlookupaswell.Andthankstoallofyousomuchforlistening.It'salwayssomuchfuntobeabletosharesuchwonderfulpeoplelikeIzabellawithyou.Andifyouenjoyedthisepisode,pleasegocheckoutherblogandherbookandletherknowhowmuchyouenjoyedit.AndthanksallforlisteningandIzabella,thankyousomuchforyourtimeandbeinghere.Izabella:Thankyousomuch,Katie.Katie:Ifyou'reenjoyingtheseinterviews,wouldyoupleasetaketwominutestoleavearatingorreviewoniTunesforme?DoingthishelpsmorepeopletofindthepodcastwhichmeansevenmoreMomsandfamiliescouldbenefitfromtheinformation.Ireallyappreciateyourtimeandthanksasalwaysforlistening.

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Episode 74: Improving Hashimoto’s in as Little as Two ... · the root cause of autoimmune thyroid disease after she was diagnosed with Hashimoto's in 2009. She's also the author