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Episode242:FightingThyroidDiseaseWithFood&RecipesforThyroidHealthFromDr.IzabellaWentz


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Katie:Hello,andwelcometothe"WellnessMamaPodcast."I'mKatiefromwellnessmama.com.AndI'mheretodaywithoneofmyfavoritepeopleintheworld,Dr.IzabellaWentz,PharmDfromthyroidpharmacist.com.SheisapioneeringexpertinlifestyleinterventionsfortreatingHashimoto'sthyroiditis,whichIhave.Shewasalsodiagnosedatage27andshedrewonyearsofresearch,andhasworkedwiththousandsofpatientsplusherownexperiencetocreatehernumberone,NewYorkTimesbestseller,"Hashimoto'sProtocol."


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Iknowfirsthandthatshe'ssopassionateabouthelpingotherswithHashimoto's,andshedoeshelphundredsandthousandseveryyear.Shealso,asasidenote,lovessmallfluffydogs,yoga,hiking,fashionandthrowingoutrandomwittysayingswhenevershecangetawaywithit,whichisaskedoftenbecauseshe'sverygoodatit.

Shejustwroteanewbookcalled"Hashimoto'sFoodPharmacology:NutritionProtocolsandHealingRecipestoTakeChargeofYourThyroidHealth,"andit'sawesome.It'sastep-by-stepguideforcreatinghealthyhabitsandeasydeliciousrecipestorevamptheimmunesystem.Andshehasinthere,aprovennutritionalplanthat'sHashimoto'ssafe,plusabunchofrecipesandmealplans.Youguyshavetocheckitout.We'lltalkaboutitalittlebittoday.ButIzabella,welcome,andthanksforbeinghere.

Izabella:Hi,Katie.Thankyousomuchforhavingme.It'salwayssogreattoconnectwithyou.

Katie:Oh,likewise.Icouldtalktoyouallday.Togetstarted,I'dloveifwecouldjustestablishsomebaseterms.Ithinkmostpeoplearefamiliarwiththetermbynow.Butincasethereisanyonewhoisn't,canyoujustgiveusaprimeronwhatHashimoto'sthyroiditisis,andwhyyouthinkit'ssoprevalentrightnow.

Izabella:Wow.SoHashimoto'sisthemostcommonautoimmuneconditionintheworld,anddefinitelyintheUnitedStates.It'soneofthoseconditionsthatsoundsreallyexotic,butit'sactuallyvery,verycommon.So,asmanyas20%ofusmighthaveit.Whatitis,isbasicallytheimmunesystemstartstorecognizethethyroidglandastheforeigninvader,startstoattackthethyroidgland,whicheventuallyresultsinusnotmakingenoughthyroidhormone.

Andso,Hashimoto'sistheleadingcauseofhypothyroidismorasluggishthyroidassomepeoplemightsay,andit'stheleadingcausebypeoplegetprescribedthemedication,Synthroid.WhatIthinkanalwaysinterestinglittletidbitasapharmacistthatSynthroidis...hasbeeninthetopsellingdrugcategoryforthelastfiveyears,usuallytopone,toptwo,ortopthree.Sothisisavery,verycommoncondition,andmanyofusareaffected.Someofusmightnotevenknowit.

Katie:Wow,Iknowthatwasmeforyears.AndI'dlovetohearalittlebitaboutyourstoryaswellaslongwith,whataresomeofthesymptomsthatpeoplecanlookfor?BecauseIknowinmyownexperience,Ihaddefinitelysomeofthesymptomsthatlinedupwiththeclassichypothyroidism.ButthenIhadsomeotherrandomsymptomsandthingswerekindofacrosstheboard.So,whatwouldsomeonelookfortoknowiftheymightbestrugglingwiththis?

Izabella:Someofthemostcommonsymptomsthatpeoplearegonnahavearegonnabefatigue.Therearegonnabechallengeswithweight.Alotoftimespeoplewillhaveweightgain,somepeoplemighthaveweightloss,that'snotwelcomeaswell,though,andthenwe'regonnahaveissueswith,Iwouldsay,thebrain.Sothismightbesomethinglikebrainfog,thismightbesomethinglikeanxietyorevendepression.Anyofthosesymptomswouldsignalthatsomebodyhadanissuewiththeirthyroid.


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Forwhatalotofwomen,what'sinteresting,it'sactuallysomethingquite,Iguess,youknow,Ilaughat,tosayit'sabitsuperficial,becausethiswasoneofthefirstsymptomsforme,washairloss.WhereIwasinmy20sandIjustthought,"Okay,maybebeingtiredisnormal,maybegainingweightisnormal.ButwhyamIlosingsomuchhair,thisjustshouldnotbehappening?"Solossofhairaswellasalossoftheeyebrows,dryskin,thesearesomeofthebigtelltalesignsthatyoumighthaveathyroidcondition.AndIknowforalotofwomen,thisisgonnabetheveryfirstthingthatwemightnotice.AndsometimesI'lllaughbecauseit'llbethehairdresser'sthat"diagnoseus"insteadofourdoctors.

Katie:Thatisfunny.

Izabella:Yeah,withme,withmystoryisIwaschronicallyfatiguedforalmostadecade.SoIwouldbasicallygotoworkinthemornings.I'ddragmyselfoutofbed,andI'dcomehomeandI'dbeexhausted,andthenI'dfallasleeparound9:00p.m.Andbasically,Iwouldsleepforanywherefrom10to12hoursandstillfeelexhaustedeveryday.AndthenIwentontohavemoresymptomslikeirritablebowelsyndrome,carpaltunnelsyndrome,Ihadhairloss,Ihadpanicattacks,Ihadcoldintolerance,whichisanothercardinalsymptomwhereIwaswearingtwosweatersinSouthernCalifornia.Andallofthesethingswerejustsortofhappening.

IfeltlikeIwasn't,"seriouslysick."Allthedoctorsweresayingeverythingwasnormal,butyetIfeltlikemybodywasbreakingitselfapart.Thiswaslike,asImentionedinmy20s,alotoftimespeoplemightgetdiagnosedwhenthey'reabitolder,usuallyaftertheyhavebabiesorevenduringperimenopause,pregnancy,pubertyandperimenopausearesomeofthemostcommontimeswhenwomengetdiagnosed.

Andso,Iwasjustwalkingaroundnotknowingwhatwasgoingon.Iwasveryforgetful.And,finallyIgotsometestingdonethatrevealedIhadHashimoto's.AndatthatpointIdecidedtoseeiftherewasanythingIcandotogetmyselfbetter.Istartedonmedicationswhichwasgreat.Asapharmacist,Ithoughttheywouldbe,thethingthatcuredme,andwouldbetheoneanswer,theonesolution,butunfortunately,themedicationshelpedmefeelalittlebitbetter.Iwentfromsleeping11hourstolike10hoursanight.Sothatwasahugeimprovementforme.ButatthesametimeIwantedtofigureoutiftherewasanythingIcandotogetmyselftofeelbetteraswellaspotentiallyfigureoutwhatwascausingorexacerbatingthecondition.Andthat'skindofhowIbecameaHashimoto'sexperts/humanguineapig,wastryingtofindmyownhealthwiththerootcauseapproachandtryingtofigureoutwhatmytriggerswere,andiftherewerelifestylechangesthatIcouldutilizetomakemyselfbetter.

Katie:Iknowyourworkhasbeensohelpfultomeandsomanyothers.Whataresomeofthecommontriggersthatyouseethatcan...thatarejustareallyprevalentinHashimoto?

Izabella:Someofthebiggesttriggersaregonnabefoodsensitivities,andtherearegonnabenutrient-deficiencies,therearegonnabeimpairabilitytohandlestress,impairabilitytohandletoxins.Alotoftimes,wemightalsoseethingslikechronicinfectionsaswellasissueswithgut.Sothesemightbethingslikeimpaireddigestion,alackofdigestiveenzymesaswellasintestinalpermeabilityoraleakygut.Andwecouldgointoalittlebitmoredetailsonallthoseifyou'dlike.


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Katie:Yeah,I'dlovetospecificallytalkalittlebitaboutthegutconnection,becauseIknowthatwasakeyforme,isrealizingnotjustonlywhatIatewassoimportant,butmyguthealthingeneralreallyimpactedmythyroid.Socanyoutalkaboutthatconnection?

Izabella:Wow.Yeah,sowhat'skindofinterestingisthatthegutandthyroid,theysharethesamefetalorigin.Sotheysortofdevelopalltogether.Andalotofthethingswedothatimproveourguthealtharegonnaalsoimprovethehealthofourthyroidgland.

We'relookingatsomeoftheresearchonautoimmunediseaseingeneral,whichstatesthatbasicallyeverysinglepersonwithanautoimmuneconditionisgonnahavethreethingspresent.Andthosearegonnabethegeneticpredisposition,somesortofatriggerthatinitiatedorperpetuatedtheconditionandthenintestinalpermeabilityoraleakygut.

Andwhenwehavethisleakygutourimmunesystemdoesn'tfunctionproperly,andwedon'tdigestourfoodsproperly.Andourbodymayactuallymakeantibodiesagainstthefoodsthatwe'reeatingonacommonbasis.Itcouldmakeantibodiesagainstthingsthatarenormallypresentinourphysiology.Andso,whatwe'llseealotoftimesisapersonwillhavemultiplefoodsensitivitieswhentheyhaveHashimoto's.There'soneparticularantibodyknownasIGG,wherepeoplewillhaveantibodiestotheirthyroidandthefoodsthatthey'reeatingwithHashimoto's.Andalotoftimeswhateverfoodsthey'reeatingthatareIGG-reactivewillcauseareactionforthemwithintheirthyroidaswell.

Someoftheotherthingsweseearegonnabecommonly,verycommonlyaregonnabenutrientordigestiveenzymedeficiencies,specificallyindigestiveenzymesthatthebreakdownacidsorthatbreakdownfatsandproteins.ThisisgonnabeverycommonlyseeninpeoplewithHashimotos,andthatkindofcontributestotheviciouscycleofpoordigestionandthenwe'renotextractingnutrientsfromourfoodproperly.Thenwe'realsogonnabe,Ialreadyalludedtothat,we'regonnahavenutrientdeficiencies,andalotofthesenutrientsaregonnaberequiredforproperthyroidfunctionaswellasforpropergutfunction.

Andanotherbigthingisgonnabeanimbalanceofthegutflora.SopeoplewithHashimoto,abouthalfofthemmighthaveaconditionknownasSIBO,smallintestinalbacterialovergrowth,wheretheyhavetoomuchofbacteriainonepartoftheirintestines.Theymighthaveanimbalanceofgoodbacteriaversusbadbacteriaintheirgutandthatcanperpetuatetheautoimmunity,theleakygut,andinsomecases,theymightevenhavedifferenttypesofinfectionswithintheirgut.Parasiticinfections,theysoundreallyrareandexoticlivingintheUnitedStates.Unfortunately,they'revery,verycommon.I'vebeentestingtheguthealthofpeoplewiththyroidissuesformany,manyyearsandwilltellyouthatmajorityofthemwillhavesomesortofagutinfection,thatisiftheydon'timproveonjustnutritionalprotocolsalone.

Katie:Yeah,Idefinitelynoticedthatinmyexperience.Anditwasnotanovernightprocessforsure.IthinkanyofuswhoareinthisknowthatHashimoto'sisanongoingjourney,notjustaquickfix.AndIlovethatyoureallyaddressthatsodeeplyinyour"Hashimoto'sProtocol"andalsoinyournewbook,whichIwanttotalk


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aboutalittlebitbecauseyourfirstbook,"Hashimoto'sProtocol,"yourpreviousbookisa90-dayplanforreversingsymptomsandworkingwiththerootcause.

AndthenewbookIthoughtwassofascinatingbecauseyou...it'sgotlikea...it'sacookbookinaway,ithasalotofrecipesbutit'ssomuchmorethanthatbecauseHashimoto'sFoodPharmacologybasicallytalksaboutusingfoodasmedicineinthesamewaythatyoucouldusepharmaceuticalstochangeyourbiologyandhowpowerfulthatcanbe.So,I'dlovetohearhowyoucameupwiththisideaandwhatthatconceptlookslike.

Izabella:Sure.SowhenIwasinpharmacyschoolIlearnedabouthowtinysubstancescanimpactourphysiology.Andatfirst,Imean,Ithoughtitwasjustdrugs.Ithought,like,iffoodcoulddothis,thenIwouldhavesurelylearnedaboutit.Andeventhingslikelactoseintolerance,Iwasalmostskepticalofthem.Iwaslike,"Oh,well,it'sjustatinybitoflactose,whatcanitreallydo?"Wherereally,foodcanbeaverypowerfulally,toourhealing.Food,medicine,pharmaceuticals,herbs,allofthesedifferentsubstances,theysendtinymessagestoourbody.Andthey'llgiveourbodymessagesto,forexample,toourgut,it'llsay,"Sealyourself,right,andkeepallthisstuffinormakeyourselfleaky."Andthiscanbejustonaday-to-daybasismessagesthatweget.

Now,alotoftimespeopleinthemodernworld,theyexpectthatonepharmaceuticalwillbetherecureall,andthisissomethingthatIexpected.Ithought,"I'lljusttakethyroidmedicationsandeverythingwillbefixed,"butHashimoto'sismorethanjustthethyroidcondition,it'sawholebodycondition.Andso,weneedalotofthesepositivehealingmessagestobesenttoourbodiestotellourbodiesthatit's...thatthey'resafeandthatit'stimetoheal.OneofthethingsthatcanbeparticularlyproblematicforpeoplewithHashimoto'sisgluten.Sowheneverweeatgluten,thiscancrossreactwithourthyroidandsoourbodywillsay,"Glutenisaforeigninvader,we'regonnaattackit,andthenthere'sapartofthethyroidgland,itlookslikeglutenaswell,we'regonnaattackthat."Andsoeverytimewe'reeatingthat,that'ssendinganegativemessagetoourbodysaying,"Hey,let'slaunchanattackagainstthyroidgland."

Thatsaid,there'salsopositivesubstances.Andwheneverwetakethoseinthebodygetsmessagesof,"Hey,thisisgreat.Wehaveenoughyouknow,let'ssay,wehaveenoughL-glutamine.Thatmeanswecanstartrepairingthings.Let'sstartrepairingthegut.Let'sstartrepairingthethyroidgland."Andthisiswhatthefoodpharmacologywasbasedon,is,figuringoutwhichfoodsaregonnabeaddingtoouroverallhealthandwhichfoodsaregonnabetakingawayfromit.

AndIdidgoalittlebitdeeperwiththat,whereIwantedtolookatwhatwerethemostcommonreasonswhypeoplefailwithdiet.Iknowalotoftimes,Katie,youandIareinthenutritionworldandit'ssocontroversial,becauseonepersonwillsay,like,"Thisisthebestdietinthewholeentireworld."Andthenanotherpersonwillsay,"Ialmostdiedonthatdietorthis...Ifelthorrible,"andtherearethesenutritionwarsgoingabout.

Andoneotherreallybigreasons,inmyopinion,inmyexperience,whypeoplefailoncertaindietsisbecausetheyareeither,A,deficientinnutrients.Soanytimewetakeonarestrictivedietandanytimewehavegutissues,we'regonnabedeficientinnutrients.Whetherwe'renotextractingthemfromourfoodsproperly,orperhapsthey'rejustnotpresentinourfood.Oneexamplewouldbethevegandiet,whenwe,andIthinkalot


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ofpeoplearefamiliarwiththat,where,itjustdoesn'tcontainB12.AndsowhatweneedtodoissupplementwithB12whenwe'reonthistypeofdiet.Samegoesforautoimmunediets,paleodiets,forpeoplewiththyroidconditions,we'renotgonnabeextractingnutrientsproperly.So,oneofthebigthingsIdoisItalkedaboutwhichnutrientsyouneedtogetonboardwhenyou'reeatingahealthydiettocomplementyourself.

AndtheotherthingIalsotalkedaboutisdigestiveenzymes.Weknow,orresearchshowsthatpeoplewiththyroidconditions,havinganunderactivethyroidaloneisgonnacauseadepletioninvariousdigestiveenzymes,andalsopotentiallythenutritionprotocolsthatwe'reeating,thegutinfectionsthatwehaveonboard,alltheimbalancesaregonnacontributeaswell.Andso,anotherbigpartItalkaboutisdigestiveenzymes.Whichonesshouldyouutilizewhenyouhaveathyroidcondition,andhowdoyouknowwhichonesyouneed,andhowdoyouknowhowtotakethem?Andthatreally,tome,isawholepictureofnutrition,awholepictureofthefoodpharmacology,istryingtofigureouthowdowebestserveourbodiesratherthanjusttryingadietthatmaybeworkedperfectlyforsomebodyelseandouruniquebodieswe'retailoringthisapproachtoourselves.

Katie:Ilovethatyoubroughtthatup,becausethat'ssomethingthat'sbeenonmymindsomuchrecently.AndI'vebecomemuchlessdogmaticinmyownwork,inmyownwriting.BecauseI'verealized,Ithinkyoucanlearnalotfromalmostanymethod.AndIthinkattheendoftheday,somanyofushavefoundwhatworkssowellforus.

And,itdoes,anditworksgreatforusbutitmaynotworkforeveryoneelse.Ithinkthefutureofhealthisverymuchgonnabeinpersonalizationandvariation.AndIfeellikethat'swhatyouhavereallyconqueredinthisbook,isgettingfrompeoplethetoolstofigurethatout.Asaquickfollowup,I'dlovetoknowjusttokindofoverviewofwhataresomeofthenutrientsthatthosewithHashimoto'sneedtobereallycognizantofmakingsurewe'regettingenoughofthroughdietandsupplements.

Izabella:OneofthereallybigonesisgonnabevitaminD.Andthisisgonnabechallengingtogetthroughdiet.AlotoftimeswhatIrecommendisgoingtoonabeachvacation,wheneverpossible.Butthat'snotalwayspossibleforeverybody.Sowecantakeasupplement.VitaminDasasupplementanywherefrom5,000to10,000.Iusemaybeasmuchasweneedinthewintertime.Ialwaysrecommendtestingforitfirst,beforewesupplementandthentestingthreemonthslater,becausevitaminDissomethingthatcanbuildupintothebody.

Anotherbigthingisgonnabeselenium.Seleniumisgonnabecommonlydeficientinthyroidconditions.It'snotgonnabeverycommonlyfoundinoursoils.Afoodthat'srichinseleniumisBrazilnuts.However,dependingonwhatregionoftheworldtheycamefrom,someofthemmighthavenotenoughseleniumtomeetourdailyneedsandsomeofthemmighthavetoomuchwhereitcouldevenbecomeborderline,toxic.Soalotoftimes,I'llrecommendaseleniumsupplement,around200microgramsperdayofseleniummethionine,hasbeenclinicallyshowntoreducethyroidantibodies.Sothesearethemarkersoftheattackonthethyroid.Themorewehave,themoreaggressivetheattackis,andthey'vealsoshowntoreduceanxietyandhairlossinpeoplewiththyroidconditions.


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AnotheronethatIcommonlyseethatnotalotofpeopletalkaboutisthiamine.ThisisvitaminB1.Andinterestingly,thisisgonnabedeficientingluten-freeandgrain-freediets.Thisissomethingthatcancausefatigue,lowbloodpressure,adrenalissues,carbohydrateintolerance.Itcouldcausepaininthebody.AndwhatIfoundis,rightaround600milligramsperdayseemstobethemagicdoseformostpeoplewiththyroidconditionstohelprestoretheirfatiguelevels.What'sbeenamazing,I'vehadpeoplewhohavereachedouttomethatwereondisabilitybecauseoftheir,youknow,seriousfatiguelevels,andthey'vestartedtakingthiaminewithinthreedays,they'llstartgettingmoreenergy.Andwithinacoupleofweekstoafewmonths,they'llbeabletogobackintotherealworldandstartworkingagain.Thisisnotgenerallysomethingyoucannecessarilytestforonalabtest,butitissomethingthatiswatersolubleandsafe.Soyoucanpurchasethesupplementandtryitforyourselfandseeifitworks.Aboutthreetofivedays,you'llbeabletotellthedifference.

Magnesiumisanothercommonnutrientthat'sgonnabedeficient.Someofthecommonsignsandsymptomsaregonnabeheadaches,constipation,pain,musclecramps,periodcrampsareareallybigkindofsymptomthattellsuswemighthaveamagnesiumdeficiency,anxietyaswellasreflux.Interestingly,researchhasshownthattakingamagnesiumsupplementnotrightawaybutoverthecourseofafewyearscannormalizetheappearanceofathyroidglandonathyroidultrasound.Soitdoescontributetosomeofthat,someofourbody'sownhealing.

TheotheronethatIcommonlyrecommend,andthisisgonnabetestedisgonnabeferritin.Thisistheironstorageprotein.Thisisverycommonlygonnabedeficientinpeoplewiththyroidconditions.Someofthesymptomswe'regonnaseearegonnabefatigue,hairloss,breathlessness,anemia,moodswings,restlesslegsyndrome,andinsomniaarealsogonnabecommonwiththisdeficiencybutnotalotofpeopleareawareofthat.Andthisissomethingwe'regonnaseeonatest.Soweneedtorequestferritinspecifically.Wedon'twannajusttakeironwilly-nilly,becauseitcanbuildupinthebodyandcanbetoxic.

Andthenthelastone,andIalreadymentionedthiswasB12.Sothisis,weknowthatthisisgonnabedeficientonavegandiets,sometimesonavegetariandiet.And,generally,wethinkthatifwe'repaleoorgluten-free,thatwewouldnotmightnotbedeficientinthis.However,there'salsoaconditionthatcausesustobedeficientinB12becauseourbody'snotabsorbingitproperly.ThiscouldbealsocausedbysomethinglikeSIBOorH.pylori.So,alotoftimesI'llrecommendtestingforB12.Andsomeofthedeficiencysignsaregonnabefatigue,depression,neurologicalissues,tinglingextremities,brainfog,nervedamage,anemia,seizurescanalsobeaveryadvancedsymptomofthat.

Sothesearesomeofthe,IliketocallthebigsixofnutrientdeficienciesthatIrecommend.Andthere'salsootheronesthatItalkedaboutinthebooklikezinc,omega3s,foliate,Bvitamins,andvitaminC.

Katie:Thatwasasupercomprehensiveanalysis.Thankyou.Andsobacktothefoodsidealittlebit,Ithinkprettymuchalotofusnowareawarethat,youknow,normalAmericandietisnotgoodforus,andespeciallythoseofuswithhealthcondition,realizeorarestartingtorealizethatwecanusefoodtobenefitourbodies.


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Buteveninthosecases,IfeellikeIhearfromsomanypeople,wherechangingeatinghabitscanbereallydifficult.Like,evenifweknowit'sgonnareallybebeneficialforus,it'shardtomakethosechanges.Andit'shardtoresistthecallofdailybreadorsomeprocessfoodthatwehaveatieto.SoI'mcuriousifyouhaveanytoolsforhelpingpeopleovercomethatpartofthechallenge?Sometimesitseemslikethat'sthehardestpart.

Izabella:Yeah,sometimesIfeellikewegetinourownwaysorsometimeswehavepeopleinourlivesthatgetinourways.Andalotofitiscreatingnewhabits.

So,goingthroughandmakingitsupereasyonyourselftoeatthisway.Andsothat'sabigpartoffoodpharmacology,is,youknow,howdowereallymakeitsimpleforpeoplesothatitjustbecomesnatural,itbecomesahabit,itbecomeseasiertoeatthiswaythanitdoestoeatthewaythatweusedtoeat.

Itdoestakesometime.Itdoestakealotofcourage,itdoestakealotofexperimenting.SoI'vetriedtoreallymakeiteasyforpeoplewherewegothroughhowtogetstarted.Wehavemealplans,wehaverecipes,wetalkedaboutwhattodowhenyou'reeatingout,howtoproperlytransition.So,usingdifferentkindofjournaling,howtokeepthingssimple.

There'salsoabigthingthatIrecommendis,reallylookingatthepeopleinyourlife,makingsurethatthey'resupportiveofyouandsharingwiththemthatthisissomethingthatyoumaywannado.Alotoftimes,unfortunately,I'llseethatpeople'seffortsmaybesabotagedbytheirlovedones,orpeoplewhomaybearen'tthebestfriendsthattheycouldhave.

Andreallyaboutappreciatingyourselfandreallybeingkindtoyourselfsometimesstartswithlettingotherpeopleinyourlifeknowthatyouhavetheseboundaries,andthatyouneedtheirsupportwithit.Alotoftimes,it'sassimpleassaying,like,"Hey,IwouldreallyloveyoursupportwiththisdietthatI'mon.Andcanyoubethereforme,Iwouldreallyappreciateit,"andthatworksalotoftimes.

Alotofothertimes,wemighthavepeopleinourlivesthatare...somepeoplecallthemvampires,right?Ihadoneladythatshared,shehadafriendwhodidn'tbelievethatshewassensitivetovariousfoods.Andthis"friend"invitedheroverfordinnerandtoldherthathermealwouldbegluten-freeanddairyfree.Andassoonasthewomanstartedeatingit,shestartedbecomingsick.Andthiswasbecausethefriendwas"testingher."Soshejustsnuckinabunchofthesefoodsintheretotrytoseeifshewasgonnareact.AndIfeellikealotoftimes,like,thatwecandowithoutfriendslikethat.I'llsaythatinflammatoryfoods,removingthemfromourlivesisgonnabehugelybeneficial,andremovinginflammatorypeoplecanbeevenmoresobeneficialalotoftimes.

Katie:Yeah,it'sunbelievabletohearthosekindofstories.AndI'veheardthoseevenwithkidsinschoolwhohadfriendswithpeanutallergies,tryingtoputpeanutsintheirlunch,likesneakpeanutsinwhichIjust,Ican'tevenfathomthat.It'sbeyondme.Butsotakeusthroughthepracticalside.WhataresomeofthefoodsthatyouhavefoundareespeciallybeneficialforthosewithHashimoto's?


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Izabella:SoI'llgiveyoutwofoodsthatpeoplecangetstartedonrightawayintheirownhomes.Andoneofthemisgonnabegreensmoothiesandtheotherone'scanbebonebroth.Sowithgreensmoothies,60%ofpeoplehavefoundgreensmoothiestobehelpfulwhentheyhavethyroidcondition.So,Ishouldadd,Ididalittlebitof...Ihaveanoutcomesresearchbackground.

SoIwentthrough,andthereasonwhyIcreatedthesespecificfoodsandrecipesandmealplansis,lookingatwhatworksformostpeoplewithHashimoto'sbasedonmyclientworkaswellaslaterondoingsomeoutcomeresearchwithalotofmyreaders.Eighty-twopercentofpeoplesaidthatthesmoothiesgavethemmoreenergy,60%claimthattheyimprovemood,and40%noticedbenefitsforweight.

So,oneofthereasonswhysmoothiesworkssowellisthattheyareagreatwaytoincreasenutritiousfoodintooursystemswithoutthedigestivestress.So,wehaveallofthesedifferentfoodsthataregonnabechoppedup.Sothey'regonnabeeasiertodigest,evenifwelackeddigestiveenzymes.Andthenthatwaythatfreesupsomeofourenergyinourbody,soit'snotsofocusedontryingtodigest.

Andthenwe'realsogonnabeabletogivetheseingredients,makethemmucheasiertoabsorbthatway.Ilovetorecommendgreensmoothiesforbreakfastandsnacks.Onebigcaveatisthatyoudon'tputatonoffruitandcallitagreensmoothie.Sowewannalookatmaybedoinglikeoneservingoffruitandtheotherservingsfourtosixservingsofvegetables.Sothesearegonnabethingslikecarrots,avocados,celery,youcanaddsomecoconutmilkintheretoboostupthefat.AndthenIalsoliketousehypoallergenicproteinsource,suchashydrolyzedbeefproteinorpeaprotein.Andyoucanhavethatfirstthinginthemorningandlateronasasnack.

Theotherthingthatisreallyfantasticandcanbereally,reallyeasytomakeasbonebroth.Bonebrothhascollagenandnutrientstosupportourgutlining,ourskin,and70%ofpeoplewithHashimoto'swillsaythattheyfounditbeneficial.Oneofthereallybigbenefitsisgonnabeanincreaseinenergyandincreaseimprovementinmoodaswellasskintexture,hairandreducingsomeofthejointpainsthatpeopleoftentimeshave.OneofthethingsIliketodoisjustthrowinsomechickenlegs,throwinsomechickendrumsticks,somecelery,onion,andcarrots,alittlebitofapplecidervinegar,topitoffwithwaterandputthatintoaslowcookerorapressurecookerandletitdoitswork.

Katie:Yeah,thankgoodnessforpressurecookers.Theydefinitelysimplifybonebrothmakingforsure.Iknowonequestionwe'reprobablygonnaget,soI'dratherjustaddressitis,whataboutcruciferousvegetables?BecauseIfeelliketheyareacontroversialtopicforthosewithanykindofthyroidcondition.Canthosegoinsmoothies?Cantheybeeatenraw?Shouldtheybeeatenatall?What'syourtakeonthose?

Izabella:That'ssuchagreatquestion.Andit'soneofthosethingsthatIspentalotoftimelookingintobecausetherewasallthisinformationouttherehow,ifyouhadathyroidcondition,thatbroccoliwaslikethemostevilthingthatyoucouldpossiblyhaveinyourlife.Andlookingatalltheresearchintogoitrogens,whichisreallyabroadterm.


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Goitrogenmeanssomethingthatinterfereswiththyroidfunction.And,alotoftimes,cruciferousbackintheoldendayswereclassifiedasgoitrogensbecausetheyinterferedwiththyroidfunctioninaspecificway.Andthiswasbecausetheyblockediodineabsorptiontothethyroidgland.Now,whatweknownowadaysisthat,mostcasesofthyroiddisordersareduetoHashimoto's,andthisisanautoimmuneattackonthethyroidgland.Backintheday,mostcasesofthyroiddiseasewerecausedbyiodinedeficiency.Andso,ofcourse,thingslikethatwouldblockiodineabsorptionintothethyroidglandcouldpotentiallymakethatworse.ButnowweknowthatmostofuswithHashimoto's,Iwouldsayprobably90%ofusarenotgonnabeiodinedeficient.Andinfact,researchhasshownthattoomuchiodinecanactuallybringonHashimoto's.

Andsoformostofusfoodslikebroccoli,foodslikecauliflower,allthesewonderfulcruciferousaregonnabeperfectlysafe.Forasmallpercentageofus,theymayinterferewithiodineabsorptionintothethyroidgland.AndIwouldsay,thosepeopleneedtobeonalowdoseiodinesupplementsanyway.And,anotherthingyoucoulddois,youcaneitherfermentthemoryoucouldboil,steamorcookthevegetablesandthatwillbreakdownthegoitrogeniciodineblockingeffectofthem.

AndIwouldsay,justprobablyabout10%ofpeopleneedtodothat.So,goaheadandeatyourcruciferous,haveyourbroccoli,it'sexcellentfordetoxifyingyourliver.It'sgreatforyourhormones,andit'llhelpsupportyourthyroidaswell.

Katie:Okay,andeventhosepeoplecouldjuststicktolikeyoumentionedavocado,celery,cucumbers,thingslikethat,non-goitrogenicvegetablesandsmoothiesandstillbefine.

Izabella:Absolutely.Iwillsaythereisifpeoplehavesulfurissues,sotheyhavetroublebreakingdownsulfurfoods,thatmaycomein,thatmaybeaproblemwithsomeofthesevegetablesthatarehighinsulfur.AndsomepeoplethathaveissueswithSIBO,theymayhaveahardtimebreakingdownsomeofthecomponents.

Butgenerally,Iwouldsay,youreallywanttolookatthepersonasawhole.Youdon'twanttojustkeeprestrictingmoreandmorefoodsuntilyou'redowntoicechipsandsaying,"Well,thisreacts,thisreacts,"let'slookatthewholebody.Ifyouhaveiodinedeficiency,thenyoushouldbetakinganiodinesupplementinlowdosesandyoushouldbeeating,addinginmorefoodsthatarebalancedinthat.IfyouhaveSIBO,thenyoushouldbeaddressingthat,ifyouhavesulfurissuesthenyoushouldbeworkingonyourdetoxificationsystemstogetridofsulfurratherthaneliminatingmoreandmorefoods.

Katie:Thatmakessense.Andwhataboutfoodstoavoid?ArethereanyuniversalonesforHashimoto's,anygrayareafoods?

Izabella:Iwouldsaytheuniversalonesaregonnabegluten,dairyandsoy.WhatIfoundisthatabigpercentageofpeople,soover80%ofpeoplefeelbettergluten-freeanddairy-freewhentheyhaveHashimoto's.AndthesetwofoodsseemtobeveryreactiveforpeoplewithHashimoto'sandpotentiallythere


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mightbesomecrossreactivitywiththethyroidgland,withthegluten,withdairy.We'renotquitesurehowthemechanismisworking.

Butagain,Iwouldsay88%ofpeoplewithHashimoto's,aregonnasaythattheyfeelbetteronagluten-freediet.Andthen80%ofpeoplefeelsignificantlybetteronadairy-freediet.Withsoy,we'relookingatabout63%ofpeoplefeelingbetter,butit'sveryremarkableinhowmuchofadifferencetheyseeintheirthyroidantibodieswhentheyeliminatethatfoodaswell.

So,thisisgenerallyastartingpointformostpeople.AndIwouldsaylongtermglutenandsoyaregonnabeofflimits.Somepeopleareabletoreintroducedairysuccessfullywithoutproblems.

Katie:Gotit.AretheregoodsubstitutesfortheseIknowyoutalkaboutitinthecookbookbutwhatdoyourecommendbecauseIknowthoseareverymuchcomfortfoodsforalotofpeople,soaretheresubstitutesthatwecanuseinstead?

Izabella:Yeah,ofcourse.Dependingonyouknowwhatevertypesoffoodsareworkingforyourbodyornot.Ilikeforgluten,youcanhavericeorbuckwheatasanoptionifyou'reavoidinggrains.Floursmadeofcoconut,almonds,cassava,tapioca,tigernutaregreatoptions.Ipersonallyreallylikecassavaflour.IfindthatIcanuseitinalotofdifferentbakedgoods,anditworksreally,reallywellinalittledifferenttypesofbreadsandinpies.Fordairy,almondmilkandcoconutmilkaregonnabetwopotentialgo-to'sifyou'redoingsmoothies.Ifyouwantmilk,thesearewonderfulalternatives,andtheycanbothbemadeintoyogurts.

Cashewscanbemadeintospreadsthatarelikecreamcheese.Ialsoreallyliketoutilize…there'sdifferenttypesofcheeses,likedietcheesecanbeutilized.Itrynottorecommendtoomanyprocessedfoosd.Butthere'sdifferentwaystokindofmeetyourcravings.Forproteins,Ilikehydrolyzedbeefprotein.IknowIusedtostartmydayswithwheyproteininthemorning.Andthatwasvery,veryinflammatoryformebecauseIhadawheysensitivitybutyoucangetawaywithdoingpeaproteinorhydrolyzedbeefprotein,thosearegenerallygonnabehypoallergenicforalotofpeople.Andthen,youknow,withsoy,alotoftimesthissoyisaprocessedfoodsoIdon'tfeellikeweneedtonecessarilylookforalotofsubstitutesforit.Potentially,ifyouweredoingsoymilk,youcanjustutilizecoconutmilkandalmondmilk.Thatwillserveyoujustaswell.

Katie:Perfect.Andsoprettymuchlikeanythenfoodsnotonthatlist,likeanykindsofmeatsthatarefromcleansourcing,vegetables,fruits,thoseareallconsideredgood?

Izabella:Youknow,absolutely,depending…Formostpeople,they’reabletotolerateeverytypeofmeat,majorityofvegetables,andthenmajorityoffruit.Andalotoftimes,youknow,Iwouldsaypeopleusuallyhaveoneprimaryfoodsensitivityormaybetwoorthreeprimaryfoodsensitivitiesatmax.

Andoncewedoalotofthesehealingandrestoring,we'regonnabeabletoaddinalotofthesefoodsback.Soforshort-term,Imightrecommendadietliketheautoimmunepaleodietorthepaleodietwiththegoalof


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eventuallyreintroducingalotofthedifferentfoodsback.Andthe"Hashimoto'sFoodPharmacology"cookbookactuallyhasthreedifferenttypesoftemplateprotocols.

They'rebasedontheintrodiet,whichisglutenfree,dairyfree,soyfree.Andthenwehavethepaleo-typeprotocol,andthenwehavethemoreautoimmunepaleo-typeprotocol.Andit'sreallymeantforpeopletogobackandforthbetweentheseprotocolsdependingonwhattheyneed,wheretheyneedtostartoff.Sometimestheymaywanttostartoffwithmoreoftheirrestrictivedietandworktheirwaybackuptomoreandmorefoods.

Sometimestheymaystartoffwithjusttheintrodietandremovemorefoodstoseewheretheirhealingis.Mygoalforthecookbookwasthat,ithadatonofdifferentrecipesthatcouldbemodifiedbackandforth.Soyoudon'thavetobelike,"Oh,no,nowI'mpaleo.Now,Ihavetobuy17cookbooksforthat."Imean,youstillcan,andyoustillshowitifyouthat'swhatyouenjoy.Butthebookisreallymeanttosupportapersonthroughouttheirentirehealingjourney.

Katie:Gotcha.Andthatwasmyexperienceaswell.Iknowearlyon,forme,certainfoods,IcannowadddairybackinandIdofinewiththatbutalldairywasoutatfirstforme,aswellassomerandomoneslikegreenbeansandeggswhichIknowcanbereactiveforalotofpeoplewithHashimoto's,atleastinthatinitialinflammatoryphaseaswell.

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Katie:I'dlovetoforyoutoweighinalittlebitmoreonfruit,becauseIfeellikeit'sgottenabadreplately,especiallywithketodietsonboardnow.Andevenwithinsomerealmsofpaleo,andpeopleareavoidingfruit.Whatdoyouthinkaboutfruitanditswholeform,unsweetenedjustnaturalfruit?

Izabella:Ilovefruit.Ithinkfruitisfantastic.It'sdelicious.It'slikenature'sdesert.Insomecases,people,whentheirinitialhealingjourneyswhentheyhavealotofbloodsugarissues,theymayneedtolimitfruit.Sotheymighthavetohaveonetotwoservingsadaybecauseofthebloodsugarissues.Oncewegetallofournutrientsaddressed,though,forexample,thiaminecanhelpwithtoleratingfruitbetter.

Andoncewe'reeatingmoreofahealthy...healthyisatrickywordbutmoreofawholefoodsdietwherewe'regettingplentyofthosefatsandproteinsintooursystem,we'regonnabecomemorebalanced.Andatthatpointwewillneedtorestrictfruit.Ireallythinkalotofwhatweneedtodowithnutritionhascomebackintobalanceandgetourbodiesintomoreofaresilientstate.

Andthat'swhatIhopetodowiththis"Hashimoto'sFoodPharmacology,"istoteachpeoplehowtousefoodasmedicineandfollowtheirownbody's'intuitionintowhatworksbestforthem.Sosometimestheymaybenefitfromeatingalotmorefruit,likeinthesummersorwhenthey'redehydrated.Andothertimestheymaybenefitfromlimitingtheirfruitssuchintimeslikethewintersorwhentheirbloodsugarisrunningallovertheplace.And,Iguess,myansweris,itdependsontheperson,right,anddependsonwhereyouareonyourhealingjourney.

Katie:Ilovethatreminderthough,thatthisisnotanormalstatethatwecanrecoverfromalotofthis.And,ifwestaywithintheboundariesthatourbody'sgivingusandfigureoutwhatworksforus,mostofusareabletoregainmostfoods.AndIlovethatyousaidresilientbecause,Ithinksooftenit'seasytofocusonthediseaseandtobecomefixatedonthat.Buttruly,weshouldbefocusedonthehealthsideandmovingtowardhealthversusjustbeingstuckindisease.


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And,onethingthatreallystruckmeaboutyournewbookisthat,it'ssoversatileandtherecipesareamazing.Andit's,Ithinkit'softenwhenyouthinkyou'regoingintoarestrictivedietforaspecifichealthcondition,peopleoftenanticipateaprettybland,verybasicdiet,andit'snotlikethatatall.Socanyoujustgiveusafewexamplesofrecipesinthebookthatyoulovedorthatyourfamilyspecificallyloves?

Izabella:Sure.Soalotoftherecipesaregonnabebasedonalotofalotofmyculture.SoI'mfromPoland,there'sgonnabealotoftraditionalPolishfairinthere.SoalotoftherecipesthatIthinkaregonnabenewtopeopleinthePaleoworld,suchasstuffedcabbagerolls,thesecouldbeactuallymade,they'renaturallygonnabegluten-free.Butyoucanalsomakethempaleowhenyouuserice,cauliflowerinsteadofrice.There'sgonnabeahunterstewrecipethatincludesbasicallyeverythingyouhaveinyourkitchenandyouslowcookerandit'squitedelicious.AndIhavelotsofpiesthatweremodifiedtobeevenautoimmunefriendly,thatwerecomingfrommyPolishculture.

AndalotofthedifferentfoodsIhave,Itriedtoreallymakethemstraightforwardandeasy.So80%oftherecipescanbemadeonaweeknight.Alotofthemarepressurecooker,andslowcookerrecipesthatyoudon'thavetospend,youknow,yourentirelifeinthekitchencookingup.AndthenI'vegotabout20%recipesthataregonnabemorefancyfordinnerpartiesorfortheweekendsifyouwannafollowmultiplesteps.Andifyouenjoythatkindofthing,there'sgonnabesomefunforyoutoexperimentwiththere.

IhavealotofdifferenttypesofcuisinesthatIpersonallylike.Sowe'vegotMexicaninspirations.We'vegotItalianinspirations.We'vegotThaiinspiration,aswellassomeofthatEasternEuropean.So,Ithinkthere'sgonnabesomethingthatjustabouteverybodycanfindinthebooktosuittheirneeds.Whetherthat'sgonnabeashepherd'spiethat'smadepaleo,whetherthat'sgonnabeaspecialkindofhash.Myhubbyhasmadesomekillercarnitasthataregonnabepaleoandgluten-freethatmostpeopleseemtoreally,reallyenjoy,especiallyme.

AndIreally,Ireallyhopethatpeopleenjoytheserecipes.Ifeellikewe'vespentalotoftimeseatingthesamethingsoverandoveragainandwedon'trealizethatjustbecausewe'renoteatinggluten,dairy,andsoythatwecaneatvery,justavery,verytastydiet.Andalotofitispullingonvarioustypesofcultures.

Katie:Yeah,I'mahugefanoffoodsfromaroundtheworldaswell.I'dlovealsojusttoquicklygetyourtakeontwofoodsthatseemkindoflikesemi-controversialandgrayareainmostofthesetypesofdiets,whicharepotatoesandcorn.So,youmentionedshepherd'spie.AndIknowthere'swaystomakeitwithoutpotatoes.ButI'mcurious,whatyourthoughtsareforpeoplewhoarenotsensitivetothosefoods?

Izabella:Andsoshepherd'spiethatwehavetherecipesfor,weactuallyusesweetpotatoesorwecanusethewhitesweetpotatoesaswellthatgivemoreofaflavorclosertoregularpotatoes.And,Ithinkinitially,formostpeople,potatoesaregonnabefinebuttherearesomepeoplethathavenightshadesensitivitieswherepotatoes,maybereactiveandthenalsopeoplewithseverebloodsugarissues,theymayneedtorestrictsomeoftheirpotatoesinitially.


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Iknow,they'rekindofcontroversialinthepaleoworld,right,becausetheycanbe,"Youknow,aretheypaleo?Oraretheynotpaleo?"Andalotoftimes,we'llseethatpeopleintheinitialstagesofhealingmayneedtoeliminatethem.Andthenastheyhealtheirgutsmoreandhealtheirbodies,they'regonnabeabletoreintroducethembackin.

Cornisanotherinterestingfood.Oneofthechallengeswithcornisthatisthatit'sgonnabegeneticallymodified.Soifyouaregonnabelookingforcorn,makesureyoueattheorganicpine.Theotherissueisgonnabethatit'sveryhighinsugar.Andso,wemighthaveproblemswithitifwehavebloodsugarissues.Andthenanotherthingis,theproteinsincornunfortunately,aregonnabereactiveforsomepeople.So,cornisgonnabeoneofthetopfoods,oneofthetopgrainsthat'sgonnabereactiveforpeoplewithHashimoto's.

Alotoftimeswillsay,let'seliminateitifwehaven'tgottentheresultsthatweneedwiththeintrodiet,let'strytoeliminatecornandsomegrainstoseeifthatgetsridofadditionalsymptoms.Itissomethingthatcanbereintroducedback.IknowIusedtohavealotofproblemswithcorn.Iwouldlook18monthspregnantwheneverIhadjustlikeacornchip.Andeventually,Iwasabletointroducethatwithoutanykindofissuesnow,whereIcanwork.Ofcourse,I'llalwayschoosetheorganickinds,butIcaneatcornwithoutanyissuesnow.

So,Ihopethatanswersthequestionsthatyourlistenersmighthave.AndIjust,Iapologizeifitsoundsalittlebitconfusing.Andthatthat'sreallywhyIwrotethebook,istohelpyoufigureoutwhat,what'sgonnaberightforyou,wherewegothroughdifferenttypesofsymptomassessments.

Forexample,ifyouhavejointpain,alotoftimesthismayberelatedtocornorthismayberelatedtopotatoesandothertypesofnightshades.So,you'llknowbasedonyoursymptomsonhowtomodifythingsforyourself.We'respeakingtothegeneralperson,youdon'twanttonecessarilyeatthedietthateverybodyeats,youwannaeatthedietthat'srightforyou.

Katie:Yeah,Ithinkaboveallthatsuchanimportantpoint.AndIthinkbookslikeyoursandyourworkarereallyhelpingtoraiseawarenessaboutthat,andnotjustraiseawareness,butalsogivepeoplethetoolstofigureoutwhatthatactuallylookslike.Andyougodeeponindividualizationandfiguringoutyourownbodyandallthenutrientswetalkedabout.AndIthinkthat'ssokey.

IknowfirsthandhowwellitworksbecauseIwentthroughyourfirstbookandyourpreviousbook,andI'vegonethroughallofthesebooksandseeingthechangesinmyownlife.SoIdefinitelywouldencouragepeopletocheckitoutespeciallyifanyone'sfeelinglikeIwasinthoseearlystagesofjust,inthatkindofbrainfogandkindofhelplessnessofnotknowingwhattodonext.Andbetweenfindingyourworkandourmutualfriend,Dr.AlanChristianson,itwastotallylife-changingforme.


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SoIappreciatesomuchforwhatyoudo.And,onequestionIlovetoasktowardtheendofinterviews,myrecommendationbeforeIaskedyouforabookthatchangedmylifeisyournewcookbookbecauseitissogood.ButI'dlovetohearifthereisabookorbooksthathavebeenreallyinfluentialinyourlifeasawholeandwhy.

Izabella:Well,oneofthebooksthatwasreallyinfluentialwas"TheBodyEcologyDiet"byDonnaGates.So,thiswasabookthatcameoutmanydecadesago.Andnowit'sanit'supdatedversionanditjustreallygoesthroughfocusingonthehealthofyourgut,torestorethehealthofyourbodyandusingfoodasmedicineandnutrition.

Andthat'sbeenoneofthebooksthat'sreallyinspiredalotofmywork.It'shelpedmetremendouslyinmyownhealingjourney.And,I'mjustsogratefulthatIcanhelpothers,especiallywonderfultohearthatI'vebeenabletohelpyouonyourhealingjourneyaswell.It'ssuchanhonor.

Katie:Oh,thankyou.Andlastly,ifthereisasinglepieceofadvicethatyoucouldspreadfarandwide,whatwoulditbeandwhy?

Izabella:OneofthereallybigpiecesofadviceIwouldjustsaytowomenandmenlisteningis,reallytrustyourselfandtrustyourbody,trustyourintuition.Andalotoftimesyourbodywilltellyouthingsthatyourdoctormightnot,abookmightnot,andtryingtotuneinandlisteningtowhatyourowninnerwisdomissayingisgonnabesuchakeycomponenttohealing,tobecomingthetruest,mosthappiestversionofyourself.

IreallydohopeIcandothatwithfoodpharmacologybygivingyousomeofthetoolsandsomeofthewaystointerpretyourbodysubtlemessages.AndIhopethatyoucontinuetodothatandcontinuetoworkontuningintoyourself.Ireallythinkthat'swherealotofourwisdomandhealingandpowercomesfrom.

Katie:Sobeautifulandsoimportant.Andtherewillbelinksintheshownotesforallofyoulisteningatwellnessmama.fm.Soeverythingwe'vetalkedabout,Izabella'sbooksandsomesupportingblogarticlesfrombothofoursitesaboutsomeofthesetopics.Makesuretocheckthoseout.Don'tworryaboutwritingthemdownifyou'rejoggingordrivingjustcheckouttheshownotes,wellnessmama.com.

AndIzabella,thankyouasalways.Ican'tleaveourtimehasflownbyalready.Icouldtalktoyoualldaylong.AndIknowthatwecanalsotalkaboutmotherhoodsinceyouhaveasweet,newbabyandwouldlovetodoitagainsometimesoon.

Izabella:Thankyousomuch.Thankyousomuchforyourworkandyourfriendship,andIappreciateeverythingyoudo.


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Katie:Andthankyoutoallofyouforlisteningandsharingyourmostvaluableassetofyourtimewithus.We'reverygratefulforyouandthatyouchosetodothat,andIhopethatyouwilljoinmeagainonthenextepisodeofthe"WellnessMamaPodcast."

Ifyou'reenjoyingtheseinterviews,wouldyoupleasetaketwominutestoleavearatingorreviewoniTunesforme?Doingthishelpsmorepeopletofindthepodcast,whichmeansevenmoremomsandfamiliescouldbenefitfromtheinformation.Ireallyappreciateyourtime,andthanksasalwaysforlistening.

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