Episode 239: How Biological Medicine Is Changing Health ...when they ask me, "Hey, what do you think of this clinic? I know you went to all these clinics." And people constantly ask

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Episode239:HowBiologicalMedicineIsChanging

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Katie:Helloandwelcometothe"WellnessMamaPodcast."I'mKatiefromwellnessmama.comandI'mheretodaywithmyfriendRobynOpenshaw,whoistheauthorof15booksincludingbestsellers,the"GreenSmoothiesDiet"and"12StepstoWholeFood."Herlatestbookiscalled"Vibe"andsheandIhavetalkedaboutthatonthepodcastbefore.I'llmakesuretolinktothatepisodeintheshownotes.ButRobynisaformerpsychotherapist,formeruniversityprofessor,andshe'slecturedinover450citiesinthelastsixyearsafterlaunchingherpopularsite,greensmoothiegirl.com.She'sasinglemomtofourchildrenwhoarenowallflyingthecoop,aswellassheskisandplayscompetitivetennis.She'sanincrediblehumanbeing,andonthispodcast,we'regonnagodeeponsomethingthatsheisoneofthetopexpertsintheworldon,whichisbiologicalmedicineandalternativetherapies.So,Robyn,welcomeandthanksforbeinghere.

Robyn:Thankyou.Thanksforhavingmeagain,Katie.

Katie:I'mexcitedtochat.It'salwayssofuntotalktoyouandtolearnfromyou.AndIthinktostart,wehavetogetsomebackgroundonallofyourworldtravelsandalloftheclinicsthatyou'vebeentoworldwide,andintervieweddozensofpeopleonmanycontinentsstudyingallkindsofdifferentthings.So,talkusthroughthat.Whatsparkedthat?Andthen,whathappenedonthisjourney?


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Robyn:Yeah,itstartedwithcancer.Therewaslotofcancerinthefamily,andwhenIwasinhighschool,Iwatchedmyuncleandmygrandmothergetcanceratthesametime.Hewas31.Shewasather50s,andtheywentverydifferentroutes.Hewentstraightstandardofcaremedicalroute,whichwouldbeyoursurgery,chemoandradiation,that'sreallyallthatstandardofcareoncologyhastooffer.AndshewentonwhateverybodythoughtwascrazyoffdoingtheGersonTherapyanddrinkingallthiscarrotjuice,andsheturnedorange,andshedidn'tanychemooranyradiation.Shewastheonewhohadtheseriouscancer.Hehadthe,thelightweightcancerStage1Hodgkin's,very,very,verycurable,95%curableinthestagetheycaughtit.Anyways,hediedandshelived.

AndI'vebeenresearchingcancereversince,andIwentonthisclinictourforthreeandahalfyears.EverychanceIgotIwouldgetonanairplane.Iwenttoseveraldifferentcontinents,andIwentto20differentclinicswhoweretreatingcancerspecifically,althoughIlearnedalotaboutotherdiseasetreatment.Whenthesepractitioners,orfunctionalmedicinepractitionersiswhatwewouldcalltheminNorthAmerica,inEuropetheycallitbiologicalmedicineandit'sreallythepredecessoroffunctionalmedicine.AndIreallyfeelliketheygodeeperandtheygobroaderandprobablyjustbecauseit'sbeenmoreacceptableforalongerperiodoftime.Therewasn'ttractionforithereintheUnitedStatesbecausemedicalschoolsdon'twantit.Andso,Iwasjumpingonplanesandgoingandputtingamicrophoneinfrontofalotoffunctionalandbiologicaldoctors,andIwaslearningwhattheydototreatcancerholistically.

Whattheydototreatcancerwhenthepatientdoesn'twantthe,whatmygrandmothercalledwhensheoptedoutofit,thecut,cutting,burning,poisoningmethod,methodsoftreatingcancer.And,youknow,thisresearchI'vedone,I'mreallygladIdidit.Iwasplanningtowriteabookaboutcancer,didnotdoit,that'sawholesidestory,that'sanotherquestion.ButIdidfeellikeIhaddonesomethingthatnooneelsehaseverdone.I'munawareofanyonewhohasgoneallovertheworldandinterviewedalltheseclinicstofindoutwhatitistheydo,whatdotheyoffer,and,sortof,evaluatethem.I'mreticentto...Itellpeopleone-on-onewhentheyaskme,"Hey,whatdoyouthinkofthisclinic?Iknowyouwenttoalltheseclinics."Andpeopleconstantlyaskme,I'lltellthemthatone-on-one.ButI'mnotgonnagooutthereontheinternetandsay,"Hey,Iwouldn'tsendmyworstenemytothisclinic,andhere'swhy.Andthisoneisprettysubpar,andthisiswhy."

ButIdidlearnalot,andIcantellyouwhattheseclinicshaveincommon,thegoodones,andwhatIwasreallylookingforifyouwant.

Katie:Yes.Absolutely.

Robyn:Yeah,so,Ididn'trealizethisasIheadedintomytravels,butitbecameverycleartomethatifasickpersonisgoingtotravelsomewheretostayforthreeormoreweekstogetwell,let'ssaytheyhaveneurodegenerativedisease,let'ssaytheyhaveALS,orParkinson's,ordementia,ormultiplesclerosis,orlet'ssaytheyhavecancer.Ifthey'regonnagotooneoftheseholisticclinics,thenalotofthemcannotaffordtobuildafacilitywhereyoucanstayonsite,butitmakesamassivedifferenceinthekindofexperiencethatthepatienthas.


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Anditalsoreallyhelpsifthey'regoingtofeedthematherapeuticdiet.Ifyou'rereallysick,therearesomespecificsthatshouldbethereinanyofthedietaryrecommendations,butalsoforsomepeople,especially,theyreallyshouldprovidethefood,threemealsadayanditshouldbeaveryhealingdietbasedontheevidenceofwhatwouldbeadetoxifyingdiet.

AndIfoundthatinveryfewplaces,2ofthe20.AndIwasreallygoingtotheplacesthatwerebeingrecommendedtome,andtheplaceswhereIfeltliketheyweredoinggoodworkfromtheevidencethatIcouldgatherfromhomeandonthecomputer.Andso,Ireallyfoundtwoclinicsthatmetthosecriteria.Then,there'sthepriceissue,andalotofpeoplearespending$30,000ormoreforthreeweeksofcare.ThereasonIsaythreeweeksisthatmostofthesecliniciansImetwith,Iwouldsay,youknow,ifyou'regonnahelpsomebodyturncanceraround,howlongdoyouwantthemtobeinpatient?Andyour,andmymutualfriend,Katie,Dr.TomO'Brienhasabooktotheeffectof,I'mparaphrasingthetitleofit,"InThreeWeeksICanWorkaMiracle."Andthebestclinicofthe20clinicsIresearchedat,whichyou'vebeentoaswellnow,andsomemutualfriendsofourshavebeento,thebestclinicIfoundworldwide,themedicaldoctorwhoistheclinicaldirectortheresaysthesamething.Shesays,ifpeoplearesick,ifyouwantmetoturnaroundsomeneurodegenerativediseaseorcancer,Ineedaminimumofthreeweekstogettheirbodyalkaline,tooxygenateit.

AndwhatIfoundthatthegood,ofthese20clinicsandlotsofthem,Idon'tconsiderthemtobedoinggoodwork.Idon'tknowifthere,youknow,it'sbecausetheydon'tknowthey'reburnedout,theydon'thavethefundstoinvestinequipmentorwhat.Butofthegoodones,thetworeallycommonthemesthatIfoundarethattheyare,numberone,identifyingthecauseofthefailureoftheimmunesystem.Theydon'tseediseasethesamewayastandardofcaredoctorwould.

So,yourstandardoncologistwhocameoutofAmericanmedicaltraining,seescancer,forinstance,asagrowth,aninvader,somethingtobefought.Andso,they'regonnadeclarewaronit,andthey'regonnadochemicals,andthey'regonnadoradioactivewavestonuketheinvader.Well,abiologicalmedicinedoctorinEurope,orafunctionalmedicinedoctorhereintheU.S.,seescancerasacompletelydifferentthing.AndIsidewiththem,Isidewiththem.Ithinkthatthe,theevidenceisverystrongthatthey'rerightwhentheysaycancerisacatastrophicfailureoftheimmunesystem.

AndoneotherwaysIcanexplainwhythatisreallyaccurateisthat,weallareproducingabout50,000cancercellsaday.Ourhealthycellsmutate...andthenourbodyismetabolizingabout50,000cancercellsadayallthewayuntilitisn't.Andsowhatoneofthecommon,thetwoacrosstheboardcommonthemesintheseclinicswasisthey'relookingforwhatcausedthefailureoftheimmunesystem,andthenthey'regoingtorebuildtheimmunesystem,whichtheycan'treallydoiftheydon'tknowwhatpartofitfailed,andwhyitfailed.Whatwerethetoxicexposures?

Andso,that'sanotherthingthatIseeallofthemdoingisthat,acrosstheboard,theyareworkingondetoxifyingthebodythroughlotsoftechnologies,throughadietthatoptimizesthroughput,throughthevariousorgansofelimination.So,thosewerethetwothingsthatyou'relookingfor.Ifyou'relookingatfunctionalmedicineandyou'relooking,oryou'relookingatbiologicalmedicineinEurope,andyouwannastartaskingquestionsofapractitioner,you'regonnawannaaskwhattreatmentsdoyouhave?Whatareyou


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doingtorebuildmyimmunesystemanddetoxifymybody?Thoseseemtobethetwomajorstrategiesthattheyallemploytovaryingdegrees.Andsomeofthetreatmentsthatareattheseclinicsare,whatIconsider,spatreatments.Andit'slikeifI'mgoingtosendsomebodyacrosstheworldtowhatIthinkiswhatbestlikesintheworld,Iwannaseethemhavinginvestedheavilyinthingsthataregonnamovetheneedle,andthingsthatareactuallygoingtobehighlyeffectiveinthosetwothings.Idon'twanteverythingtheydotheretobeaspatreatment.Liketheionbathorwhatever.Itmightwork.I'mnotsure.It'scertainlycontroversial,butthat'snotaneedlemovertreatment.That'sa,tome,that'sprettylightweight.Iwannaseetheheavydutytreatmentsthere.

Katie:Yeah,thatdefinitelymakessense.And,likeyousaid,Ihavebeenthereaswell.AndIthinktheplacethatwe'vebothbeeninSwitzerland,theydoagreatjobofthatyoufeelverycalmandrelaxedlikeyouwouldinaspa,but,likeyousaid,allofthetreatmentsareverybackedbyevidence.Andtheyareextremelyknowledgeable.So,canyou,kindof,talkthrough...Iknowthatthatpeoplecomethereforallkindsofdifferentreasons,buttalkthroughsomeofthepeoplethatyou'vemetthereandwhytheywerethere.Andthen,also,walkusalittlebitthroughwhatsomeofthesetreatmentsarethatareactuallyneedlemovers.

Robyn:Yeah.And,youknow,justsoyouhavethebackstory,WellnessMamalisteners,whatwedidthere,whatKatieandIdidthereisalittledetox,andweshoulddefinitelytalkaboutthat,becauseKatie'sopentoleadingonethisOctober.Andifyouwannagowithher,orHeather,who'sthemommypotamusfounderandsheandKatieworkedtogethernow,ifyouwannagowiththeminOctoberthenyoucan,we'llgiveyoualinktothatintheshownotes,IthinkishowKatiewilldoit.But,yeah,theDr.PetraisamedicaldoctorwhowastrainedinGermany.Germany'sreallythebirthplaceofhomeopathy,whichisjustonesmallpartofwhatbiologicalmedicinedoes.ButinEurope,doctorsofbiologicalmedicinearen'tpariahs,like,theyarehereintheUnitedStates.Theyaren'tlaughedat,scorned,sometimeskickedoutoftheirprofessionalinstitutions.Theirinsuranceisn'tlikelytocoverfunctionalmedicinejustlikeitisn'tintheU.S.althoughmoreso,moreso...Butbottomlineis,it'samedicalspecialty.Andso,Dr.Petrahasamedicaldegree,whichIreally,youknow,iftherewasaperfectclinic,I'dwantittoberunbyamedicaldoctorwhohasallthatbackgroundinphysiology,andallthebackgroundamedicaldoctorgets,plusgoesontodotheadditionaltraininginbiologicalmedicine.

So,Dr.Petraistrainedinthat.Shedidn'tspeakanyEnglishuntilshewasinher20s,becauseshegrewupbehindtheBerlinWall.Andso,untiltheBerlinWallfell,that,youknow,Germansweren'tallowedtospeakanyEnglish.So,shelovestotreatneurodegenerativedisease.Shefeelsverycompetentinneurologicaldisease.So,youwillseealotofpeoplewithParkinson's,MS,ALS,thepagethatKatie'sgonnagiveyoutoinviteyoutocometoliverdetoxweek,ortwoweeks.Ireallylikewhenpeoplestayasecondweek,becauseoftheycando,theydodeepertreatmentsinthesecondweek,butI'vebeenrunningthemforabouteightyearsbecausewhenIdiscoveredthisclinic,Iwasjustsoblownawaybyit.Iknowyouaskedwhatkindofpeopleyoumeetthere.Ifyou'rethereduringourliverdetoxweek,you'remostlyjusttherewithAmericansandpeoplewhofollowus,peoplewhofollowWellnessMama.IfKatieisgonnaruntheseretreatsOctober6thtothe13th,orOctober13thtothe20th,youcangocheckoutthepageallaboutit.Youcanseephotosoftheplace.

ButIdowanttotellyoualittlebitofthebackgroundofthisplacebecauseit's,Ijustthinkit'slikeoneofthewondersoftheworld,but,sortof,undiscovered.WhenIfoundit,therewasn'tasinglewordinEnglish,intheclinicorontheInternetaboutit.AndwhenIfoundit,Iwaslike,"Oh,mygoodness.Thisplaceblowsawayalltheothers.Thebreadthandthedepthofthetreatmentstheyhavethere,andthediagnosticsthatare


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available,andthesophisticationofthemedicalstaff,youknow.Andthey'renotprescribingdrugsandthey'renotdoingsurgeries.Andso,thisiswayoutsideofstandardofcare.Andso,ifyou'rehearingthisandyouwanttocomeforoneortwoweekliverdetox,andwecangetin,inaminute,wecangetintowhyweallneedaliverdetox,then,checkthepageoutthatKatiewilllinkyoutoforthat.

Butifyouareill,or,ifyoulistentothisandlateryoufindoutyourmomordadisdiagnosedwith,youknow,aterribledisease,andyou'rethinking,"Ireallywouldliketogetthemsomehelp."ThisplaceistheleastexpensiveandthemostcompetentwiththedeepestinvestmentinreallygoodbiologicalmedicinethatIfoundworldwide.Butifyouaresendingasickpersonthere,theyshouldnotcomeonaliverdetoxretreats.IftheyhaveALSorParkinson's,orMS,andthey'regonnaneedalongerstay,theyshouldgotheresoonandtheyshouldgothereforthreeweeks.Andonthispage,that'sabouttheretreats,thereisasectionofthatpagethatletsyouapplytogothereforthreeweeksstay.Anditgivesyou,I'mreally,kindof,proudofthisbecausethere'snotalotofclinicsthatwillgiveyouthis,butitgivesyouaSkypecallwithoneofthemedicaldoctors.Petraisoneofthemedicaldoctorofanotherhiredonewhoworksthere.Andalso,Dr.Petra'sdaughter,Frederica,isamedicaldoctor.She'sadoctorofinternalmedicine,andhastrainedforyearsunderhermotherinbiologicalmedicine.

So,justaquicklittlenoteaboutthisamazingbuilding.Whathappenedismany,manyyearsagointhe'80s,oneofSwitzerland'swealthiestwomenbecameveryill.Shewasfairlyold.Shewas'70sor'80s,andshegotverysick,andshehiredaholisticdoctortotakeverygoodcareofher.Andtheguyturnedherhealthissuearound,andshegotwellagain.Andshewassogratefulandshesaidtohim,"WhatcanIdoforyou?"Anditsoundslikeafairytale,doesn'tit?"WhatcanIdoforyou?"Andhesaid,"Buildmeaclinic."Andso,shegavehimwhatinthe1980swas$23million,thisfacilitywasbuilt,andalltheroomsareonsite.Thereisthisgorgeouslunchroomthatwetakeallthreeofourmealsin,oryoucangohaveachiccafe,whichislikeachicorycoffeeandthey'llsteamsheep'smilkinitforyou.ThefoodtheyeatinEuropeissurprisinglydifferent,ifyouhaven'tbeenthere.

Therearesurprisinglyanumberoffooditemsthatyou'relike,"Gosh,I'veneverseenthisbefore."Likechestnuts,chestnutsareeverywhereoutside,butthey'realsoonthelunchbuffet.So,thisfacilitywasbuiltfor$23million,andithaschangedhandsmultipletimes,becausethat'salotofmoney,andnobodycouldaffordtobuyitfor$23million.Andso,ifyouwenttobuildafacilitylikethis,let'ssayinNorthAmerica,youwouldn'tbeundersomuchbondageofdebtthatyouwouldhavetochargeafortuneandonlytheverywealthywouldbeabletogothere.Butwhat'scrazyis,Idon'tknowwhata$23millionbuildinginthe1980swouldbewhenit'sbeenappreciatingforwhateverthatis,30,40years.It'sbeenappreciatingit.It'sgottabeworth$50millionbynow.ItwassoldtoDr.Petraandherhusbandwho'stheMBA,businessbrainsbehindit.Itwassoldtothemfor$3million.Andhalfofthatmoneywasgiftedtothem.

So,theyacquiredthisworldclassfacilitythatwouldjustburymostdoctorsfinanciallytoevenownaspectacularbuildingoverlookingtheKalonkaValleyintheSouthernSwissAlps.Theyacquireditforonly$1.5millionindebt.Thatispenniesonthedollar,whatitwouldcosttobuildit.Andso,eventhoughSwitzerlandisthemostexpensivecountryintheentireworld,itwasthecheapestcareandthemostqualitycareIfoundworldwide.ItwasjustreallyremarkableconsideringthatseveraloftheclinicsIresearchedatwereinTijuana,Mexicowithchainlinkfencesaroundthem,withlocksonthem,andthatitwaslikestayinginahospitalroominatwinbedwithotherpeopleintheroom.TheychargemorethanthisSwissclinicdoes.


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So,Ireallywantedtogetthewordoutsothatsickpeoplewhoarelookingforamoreholisticcare,canfindabetteroption.Andmaybeit'sfaraway.YouhavetoflyintoMilan,andifyoucomewithusinOctober,iswhenKatieandHeatheraretalkingaboutdoingit,andifyousignup,thenthey'llgo.I'mrunningthreeweeksinJune.LastIhearditwassoldout,butnowIhearwehavetwomoreroomsavailableinleastoneofmyweeks.Youwillsee,it'sisjust...I'msoexcitedthatAmericansarefinallystartingtogothere,becauseAmericaislookingforoptions,andtherearepeoplewhocanaffordtogetgoodcare,buttheydidn'tknowthisplaceexisted.

Katie:Yeah,absolutely.And,Imean,Iwent,likeyousaid,justfortheliverside,whichIthinkcan'tbeunderstated.Ithinkweneedtotalkmoreaboutthatinjustasecond.ButitwasamazingtoseepeoplethererecoveringfromLymedisease,orrecoveringfromneurodegenerativediseases,orseizures,trulypeopleacrosstheboard,andtheywereallgettinghelpinthisverycalming,relaxingenvironment.You'vementioned...we'llputthelinkintheshownotes,butalsoforanybodylisteningwhowantstojustcheckitoutnow,I'llcreateashortlinkwhichwillbewellnessmama.com/go/clinic.So,youguyscanfinditjustthroughthisrightnow.Butagain,moreinformationwillbeintheshownotesaswell.But,Robyn,youstartedtalkingaboutliverdetox,andmylistenersareprettysavvy,sothey,Ithink,understandhowimportanttheliveristooverallhealth.Butcanyouwalkusthroughlikewhataliverdetoxlookslikeandwhythat'ssuchanimportantstepevenforthoseofuswhoarenotreally,youknow,havereallyseriousillnesses.

Robyn:Yes.Youknow,yourliverservesyouin,someestimateover500ways.AndI'veheardotherestimatesbyacliniciansayingthatthereareatleast2,000chemicalfunctionsoftheliver.Andso,ifyourliverisdoingsomewherebetween500and2,000thingsforyoueverysingleday,everysinglesecondofyourlife,includingwhileyousleep,andweallareparticipatinginsomeversionoftheAmericandiet,right?Weallneedtocleanoutourliver.Therearethousandsofductsinourliver,andwhentheygetsludgy,andwhenbilegetsstackedup,orthebilegetsthick,orwe'renotproducingenoughbile,whichwewouldifwewereeatingmoreofanativedietlikeweusedtobeforewelivedinthisindustrialageandallofourfoodisthislikeprocessedpackagestuffnow.AndI'msurelotsofpeoplewholistentoyourshow,Katiearemakingtheirownfoodandthey'reeatingwholefoodsthatyouteach.

ButIdon'tthinkthere'sanybodylisteningwhowillbeabletosay,"I'mcompletelyoptingoutofit."Here'sthething,there'salsotonsandtonsofductsinthegallbladder,andthere'sanepidemicgoingonrightnow.Acolleagueofours,Katie,saidtomerecentlybecauseshe'sinhorriblepainandhavingseriousissuesandthinkshergallbladderisinvolved,thattheytoldhertheywerethreemonthsoutfromevenbeingabletoschedulehergallbladderremovalbecausetheydon'tknowwhat'sgoingon,butgallbladderremovalshavetripledinthelastfewyears.Now,lastIread,whichisquiteafewyearsago,wewereremovingoveramilliongallbladdersayearintheUnitedStatesalone.So,ourdiethaseverythingtodowiththat,ourlifestyle,andwehavegottopreventthatbydoingaflush.Andso,foracoupleofdaysbeforeyougotoSwitzerland,andwe'repickedup,wejustgettheroyaltreatment.WewerepickedupatMilanairportandtakentotheclinic,whichisabout90minutesaway.

We'reeatingspecific,onlyplantdiet,becausewhatwe'redoingiswe'reincreasingalkalinity.We'reincreasingthepHofourbody.Weareoxygenating,wearegettingalotofthroughputgoingon,eatingahighfiberdiet.So,allofusareeatinganexclusivelyplant-baseddietforeightorninedays.We'realsodilatingthoseducts,


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andwe'reincreasingbileflow,andwe'reincreasingthethinnessandtheviscosityofthatbile,becausethatbileisouttheresoppingupallthesechemicaltoxinsthatweallunfortunatelyarebombardedwithinthisweirdplasticworldweliveinnow.We'rejustbombardedwithchemicals.

Gosh,Idosomuchtokeepthechemicalsoutofmylife.Andthen,IwalkintomytennisclubthismorningandI'mbombardedwiththecleaningstuff,youknow,andI'msmellingtheLysolandthewhatever.Imean,there'sjustnogettingawayfromit.So,wegothroughaliverdetoxthatattheendofit,attheveryend,wealldotheflushtogether.AndI,hereathome,likeinahomeprogram,Itakepeoplethrougha26-daydetox,andwedoagallbladderandliverflushlikethat.Andpeoplewillalwayssay,"Well,ifIdon'thaveagallbladder,shouldIdotheflush?"Yes,youshould.Becauseguesswhat?Ifyoulostyourgallbladder,youneededyourgallbladder,andnowyourliverisbackup,andyourliverhastodoalot,andtheliverhaslotsofductworkinitaswell.So,you'reactuallyflushingout.Somepeopleseedozensoftheprecursorstones.They'reactuallynotgallstones,buttheyhavethepotentialtobecomesuch,andthey'redefinitelyclogginguptheducts.

Andso,somepeopleseehundredsoreventhousands,alittlegreenbrownstones,sometimestheyarenotallthatlittle.Andso,wealldotheflushtogether.It'sreallyfunbecause,andlessscarybecausewe'redoingthisthingwe'veneverdonebefore,andwe'redoingitwithagroup.Wealldoitatthesametime.We'realleatingthreemealsadaytogether.Wehaveamarveloustimeandit'sjusttimetogetherthatwejustwouldneverotherwisespendinsuchabeautifulplace.Theenergyoftheplaceispreserved.There'snoEMFallowedthere.Andpartlythat'sbecausethere'salotofLymediseasepatientstreatedthere.IjusttookmydaughtertherewhowasdiagnosedwithLymediseaseseveralyearsago.Andguesswhat?ProbablybecauseofDr.Petra'streatments,she'snownegative.HertestsareallcomingbacknegativeforLyme.So,probablyIknewenoughtogetrightonit.

Butbacktotheliverflush,here'sthething,weallshouldbedoingsomethinglikethisatleastonceayear,justasareallygoodpreventative.Dr.Petramaytreatalotofneurologicaldiseaseandalotofcancer,butwhatshewouldlovetodoisgetpeopleupstreamofthat,getpeopletodotheliverflushandreallycommittoit.We'redoingtreatmentseverydaytooptimizethat.Forinstance,theyuseasonogram.Theyhaveapractitioner,heatyourliverwithsonogramtechnology,andit'saliverhyperthermiatreatment.Yougetaprofessionalcolonicokay.Seehowit'sjustincreasingthroughput.It'sdilatingducts.Yougetacoffeeenemaifyou'veneverheardofsomethinglikethat.Virtuallyalloftheseclinics,Iwenttoworldwidedothis.Andsoifthatsoundscrazytoyouthatyou'regonnaputacupofJoeinyourbooty,thenletmejustsaythisisverytimetested.

It'saninterestingtherapy.Butwhatitdoesisitdilatestheliverandgallbladderductsbecausewhenyouputanimplantoforganiccoffee,thenthebottomofyourrectumandyouholditfor10or12minutes,thecaffeineandthepalmiticacidistakenupbythehemorrhoidalveinandthatcausesthoseductstoopenupwideanddump.Andso,allthistoxicityinsteadofcirculatingthroughoutthebody,becausethelivercirculatestheentirebloodsupplyofyourbodyeveryfourminutes.Isn'tthatamazingandmiraculous?Soit'sgoingtoallow,thecoffeeenemaallows,it'snotgoingthroughyourdigestivetract.Okay?There'sgoodthingsaboutcoffee,there'sbadthingsaboutcoffee.Youknow,wealwayssayifyou'regoingtodrinkcoffee,drinkorganic,triedtogetitlowacid,butthisisnotgoingthroughtheGItract,whereit'screatingthatacidity.Itis,however,like,aidingyourglutathioneproduction.


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So,youactuallyfeellikeamillionbucks,andpeoplethinkthatthey'rejustflyinghigh,andtheyfeelverycreative,andtheyfeeljustecstaticaboutlife.Theythinkit'sthecaffeine,butit'sactuallyadoublewhammybecauseyou'rejustbeingfloodedwithglutathione,whichmassivelyhelpsyourdetoxificationpathways.So,lotsofgoodthingsthatarehappeningallowingyoutodumpfromtheliver,andthegallbladderdirectlyintothelowercolon,whichmeansyoucanexpelitandlotsofgarbageleavesyourbodywithout,youknow,recirculatingandrecirculating,whichoftenhappenswhenpeopletrytodoadetoxprogram.

So,Ihaven'tgonethrougheverything.That'sthe20differentdiagnosticsandtreatmentsthatyougetwhenyoudotheliverdetoxweek.But,thepageshowsyouarecordedwebinarthatwedid.IdiditwithHeather.Katiewasoutoftown.IdiditwithHeather,andso,youcanlearnmoreaboutwhatallthetreatmentsareyoucanseeontheslides,lotsofphotosofthisbeautifulplacebuiltintotheAlpsthrough…somethinglike320daysayearofsunshine.So,youcanlearnmoreaboutthedifferenttreatmentsthatyouget,andthen,ifyoucanstayasecondweek,theygiveyou$500offthatweek.AndtheygiveyouafreeOligoScan.

AndIliketheOligoScantechnology.IwasskepticalofitbecauseIknowthatyou'reinchallengetestingis,sortof,thegoldstandardforheavymetalstesting,andweshouldallgetourheavymetalstestedbecausewehavesomanyexposures.Okay.Like,youramalgamfillings,ifyoueverhadmetalfillingsinyourmouth,ifyouhadthemorstillhavethem.Sushiandcheesehavereallyhighlevelsofsomeheavymetals.Youhavelotsofexposures,airquality.EverybodyhereinUtahhasreallyhighcadmiumlevelsbecausewebreathesomuchexhaustduringthewinterandtheinvertterribleinversionswehavehere.So,weallhavelotsofexposuretoheavymetals.Andthey'reaboutthemosttoxicsubstancesknowntoman,andthisOligoScanisnoninvasive.

AndI'mskepticalofitatfirst,andtheypressonpointsonyourhand,andareadingcomesout.Itdoesn'tjusttellyouthelevelsofallyourheavymetalsandwhetheryou'reinthegreen,yelloworredzone,dangerzoneforeachofthoseheavymetals,alsotellsyouthelevelofeverysingleoneofyourminerals.Iseealotofpeopledeficientinzinc,andthenthecliniccandealwiththat.They'regonnagiveyouanutrientIVswhileyou'rethereandsendyououtthedoorwithsomesupplements,someofwhichwecan'tevengetintheUnitedStates.

Butthesearesomeofthethingsyouget,livebloodanalysis.Theytakeonedropofyourbloodfromyourfingerorfromyourearlobe,whicheveroneyouwant,doesn'treallyhurt,andtheylookunderahigh-poweredmicroscope,andwhattheycantellyouaboutthestateofyouroverallhealthfromonedropoflivingbloodisamazing.Believeitornot,youcouldsitthereforonehourexploringthatonedropofbloodunderahigh-poweredmicroscope.Youcantellifyou'reareallyacidic.Theycantellyouifitlookslikeyouhaveparasitesorotherpathogens,viruses.Theycantellyouifyourredbloodcellsarefloatingfreewithreallyhealthymembranes,orifthey'reclumpingtogethershowingthatyourbloodistired.

AndwhenIstaythereforthreeweeks,youhavetostaythereforthreeweeksforthemtodooneatthebeginningandoneattheend,thedifferenceinmylivebloodanalysis,andyoucan'tfakethis.Youcan'tfakethis.Youcan'tmakethisupbecauseIsitthereandwatchthemtakethebloodoutofmy,youknow,pokemyearlobeandwatchthemputthedropofbloodunderapieceofglass,andunderthismicroscope.IamseeingmyownbloodisliterallyoneofthemostfascinatingthingsI'veeverseen,becausetheydon'thaveHIPAAlaws


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there.Asaresearcher,theyactuallyletmeintotheirclientfolders,andImean,theyweretherejustshowingmedifferentpeople'sbloodandhowmuchimprovementtheysawwithpeoplewhostayedforthreeweeks.

So,ifsomeoneyouloveissickandislookingforaplacetostay,thereareplacesintheUnitedStatesthathavefullbodyhyperthermia,liketheyhavethereattheclinic,whichIamveryimpressedwiththeefficacyofthattreatment.It'sbasicallyinducinganartificialfever.Yes,Ilovesaunas,buttheycannotdothis.Mydaughterwas,didtwoofthem.Iactuallybribedherthatifshewouldgetto104degreesbeforetellingthemtostop,thatIwouldgiveher$100.Secondtimeshejustdidit.Shedidit.Shebeatherpreviousfever.Afeverishowyou,andI'msureKatiehastalkedaboutthisonthisshow.Ibetshe'stalkedaboutthisinmanydifferentplaces.Afeverisn'tathingtofight.It'svery,veryrarethatthefevergetshighenoughtocauseprobleminyourbrain.Youknow,99.999%offeversarethebody'simmunesystemburningoutbacteriaandviruses.Guesswhatelseafeverwilldo.Cancercellsdon'tlikebeingat104degrees.Youknow,youknowthatyourbodyisoptimizedat98.6,Ithinkitis.Ialwaysforgetit's98.4or98.6,butwhatyoudon'tprobablyknowisthatyourimmunecellsareoptimizedat102to104degrees.

Andso,whenyouheatthebody,oryouheattheliver,youknow,becauseduringtheliverdetoxwedo,likeIsaid,alittleliverhyperthermia,butfullbodyhyperthermia,guesswhat?Imagineyourwhitebloodcellsgoingfivetimesthespeedtheynormallydo,andjustrunningaroundgobblingupthebadjunk.ImagineyourkillerT-cellsjusthypermobilized.That'swhatbeaverdoesforyou.I'malwayssosadwhensomebody'schildgetsalittletinyfeverandtheygivethechildIbuprofenorTylenol,whichcanbetoxictotheirliveranddoesn'tletthechild'sbodydowhatit'stryingtodo,whichiskillbacteriawithfever.

So,Imean,thosearesomeofthethingsthatwedo.Liverdetoxtalksisremarkable.Peoplejustleavefeelinglikeamillionbucks.Andfrankly,weshouldalldoiteveryyearanyway,andwehaveanamazingtime.Youknow,eattogether.Wesitoutonthepatio,wehiketogether.OlftrickedmeandKatieintodoingafiveandahalfhourhike.Yeah.

Katie:Yeah,hecalledita,"Let'sgoonalittlehike."Andwewerelike,"Yeah,sure,littlehikesoundsgreat."ItwasoveranAlp.Itwasnotsolittle,butitwasagreattime.

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Katie:AndIlovewhatyousaidaboutfevers.Ithinkthatissoimportantonsomanylevels.Andyou'reright.I'vewrittenaboutthis,andI'vetalkedaboutitonthepodcast.I'vetakenalotofheatactuallyfromparentswhowerelike,"Ican'tbelievethat'slike,that'schildabusetonotbringyourchild'sfeverdown."AndI'vehadmanydoctorsbackmeuponthis,includingwhenwebothknowDr.ElizaSongwhosaid,"No."itwasoneofsomeveryrarecases.Childrenabsolutelyshouldbeallowedtorunfevers,andthere'sallthesebeneficiallong-termoutcomeswhentheirbodymaintainsthatability.Andalotofadultsactuallyhave,kindof,thisimpairedability.Wedon'trunfeversaswellasweshould.Kidsaremuchbetteratit.Andso,Ithinkthewholebodyhypothermiaisanamazingtool,andIcan'taccomplishthatathome.ButIwilldothatifInoticeI'mstartingtogetsick.Iwillreallypushitinmyportablesauna,whichletsmyheadstayout,soIcangethotterforalotlonger,andIcan'tgetto104,butIcanraisemybodytemperatureacoupleofdegreesandcoupleofhoursthere,andalmostinevitablydon'tgetsick.Andthatgoesbacktothewhitebloodcellsandtheimmuneresponsethatyoutalkedabout.So,Ilovethatyoubroughtthatup.

Andwhenitcomestotheliver,Ialsowantedtosay,youknow,likeIdidn'thaveanyserioushealthissuesthatweremyreasonforgoingtoSwitzerlandotherthanI,youknow,I'vealwayshadHashimoto'sandI'malwaystryingtoimprovethatinanywaythatIcan.ButIrealizedafteralltheseyearsofpregnancyandnursing,thoseareboththingsthatareprettytoughonyourliver.Stressisalsotoughonyourliver.AndIjustlookedbackatthelastcoupleofdecadesofmylifeandrealizedIhadbeenworkingmyliverprettyhard.AndsoIwascurioustoseehowitwouldrespond.Andacoupleofthingsthatweknowarerelatedtoliverhealtharethingslikesleepandskinhealth.AndthosewerethetwothingsInoticed,reallydramaticimprovementsinevenjustinoneweekinSwitzerland.AndIknow,youknow,peoplewhostaylongerseeincredibleresults.

Ihaveapersonalfriend,areallydearfriendwhohadcancerabout10yearsago,andeversince,hehashadseizuresandheadachesandhorribleheartburnandalloftheseproblemsthatwentbacktothechemo,whichhewouldn'thavedoneifheknewwhatheknowsnow,buthedid.Andso,he'shadthesehorribleeffectsforadecade,andhe'sgonetotheclinicthatwe'retalkingaboutacoupleoftimes.Andafterthelasttimehestayedforthreeweeks,didreallyintensivetreatments,andit'sthefirsttimein10yearshehasn'thadaheadache.Formultipleweeksinarow,hehasnothadaheadache,he'snothadaseizure.So,Ithinkthat'sjustimportanttohighlight,isitcandefinitelyhelpsomeonelikemewhojustwanttofeelbetter,tobeabettermom,andto


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recoverfromallthoseyearsofpregnancyandbreastfeeding.AndIget,asmoms,it'ssohardtodothat.Butforme,Ifeltitwasreallyimportant,butitalsowashelpfulforhimandhewasfacingmuchmorechallengingcircumstances.So,Ithinktheyreallydohavethat,like,yousaid,thespectrumforpeopleallacrossthat.

Robyn:Theydo.AndanotheroneofthetreatmentsIshouldmention,there'saphotoofmeintheslideshow.IfyougotothepagethatKatie'slinkingyouto,andI'msureshe'lltellyouthelinkagainifyoudidn'tpickitup,andit'llbeintheshownotes.Butthere'saphotoofme,alittleselfieItookdoinghyperbaricozone.AndthisisthekindoftreatmentIwannasee.IwannaseereallysophisticatedknowledgeofhowtousenutrientIVs.Andtheyhaveit,younameit,theyhaveitthattheycangiveyou.Iftheyseeadeficiencyandtheythinkit'sgoingtobeusefultherapeutically.Butthehyperbaricozone,Isawversionsofthisallovertheworldinmystudies,allthewaydowntoasrudimentaryasoneclinicinArizonahadme,becauseIparticipatedinthesetreatments.Iftheyweresafeforahealthyperson,thenIparticipatedinthem,becauseIwantedtobeabletoreportonwhatthewholeexperiencewas,howitwouldbeforacancerpatient.Theyhadmebendover,tooksomebloodoutofmyhip,shooksomeOzoneintoitrightthereinthesyringe,andtheninjecteditbackintomyhip.So,thatislikethelameversionofwhattheyhaveinSwitzerland.

ThebestoneI'veseenworldwideistheonethey'veinvestedinacoupleofyearsagoinSwitzerland.Andyoucouldseeaphotoofmewithaneedleinmyarm,youknow,sothere'salittleneedleprick.That'stheonlypainIexperiencedthough.Andthen,Isqueezeonalittleballsqueezyballthinginmyhand,andthebloodleavesmyarm,goesintocontainerwheretheyshakeozoneintomyblood.Now,youmayknowozoneas,youknow,it'soxygenmolecule,extraoxygenatom.So,it'sO3insteadofO2.Andit'swhatlightningcreatesintheatmospherethatcleanstheatmosphere.And,it'susedinhundredsofindustrialapplications.Itcleans.Andwhatitdoesinthebodyisthatcancercells,andbacteria,andviruses,andparasitescannotlivewhenincontactwithozone.Andso,theyshakeitintheblood,anditbreaksdownintototallynon-toxicmetabolites.

Butwhenitgoesbackintothearm,thentheyreversetheflowanditgoesbackinthearm.ThenIstartedsqueezingandtheyreversetheflowinmyblood,leavesmyarmagain,andtheyshakeozoneintoit.Theydothat10times.So,you'rejustreallygettingareallyhigh,moretherapeuticdoseofthesamethingthattheguyinjectedintomyhip.Whenhedidthat,Iwasjustlike,"Yeah,Idon'treallythinkthat'sgonnamakeadifference.Thattwotablespoonsofbloodthatyoujustpulledoutofmyhip.So,thesearejustsomeexamplesofthekindsofthingstheydo.Dr.Petraisalsoreallygoodatiridology.It'saveryoldscienceofhowthedifferentpartsoftheirisoftheeyecorrespondtodifferentpartsofthebody.Thebodyissointegrated,it'ssuchacircle.It'ssosimpleandcomplexatthesametime,justlikehowreflexologistswillworkoncertainpartsofyourfootbecausetheycorrespondtomeridiansthatconnecttospecificorgansystemsinthebody.

Oh,andbytheway,theydo,theyhaveamassagetherapiststrainedinreflexologyaswell.But,so,Dr.Petraisamazingatassessingyourlivebloodandseeingwhattodoforyou,wheretoguidetreatmentbasedonwhatyourlivebloodtellsher.Sheisgoodatthisiridology.It'snotpartofourliverdetoxpackage,butIthinkthreeweekpatientsdogetthis.It'sagreattoolforguidingtreatment.It'snottheonlything,youknow.Whenyoudotheliverdetox,you'regoingtogetatestofyourautonomicnervoussystem.Andso,you'llknowthehealthofyourparasympathetic,andyoursympatheticnervoussystemandhowtheydo.Howdotheybalanceout?Andtheygiveyourecommendationsbasedonthat.That'soneofthediagnosticsthatwegetthere.So,it'sanamazingexperience.Andyouknowwhat?Wedon'tallowanyEMFinthetreatmentroomsorthecommonareas,oreventhelunchroom.Youcan'tgointherewithyourcellphone.


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Wewerethere,honestly,Ithinkitwasthesummeryouwerethere,Katie,butitwasn'trightwhenyouwerethere,becauseafteryouhadleft,thereweresomelong-termEMFrefugees,iswhattheycalltheminEurope,andthesearepeoplewhoaresodeeplyimpactedbythechaoticfrequenciesfromalltheseelectronicsinourenvironment.Idon'tknowifyou'veseenthatKirlianphotographyoftheEarthandwhatitlookslike,KirlianphotographywiththiscloudofelectrosmogiswhattheycallitinEurope.Wehere,tendtocallitlikeEMR,electromagneticradiation,orEMF,electromagneticfrequencies.InEuropetheycallitElectroSmog.It'swaymoremainstream.Alotmorepeopleknowaboutit.Theirgovernmentsareactuallydoingsomethingtoprotectthemaboutit.ButthereweretwopeoplestayingtherelongtermwhowereEMFrefugeeswhocouldnotbearoundthesechaoticradiationsthatbotherssomepeoplehereintheU.S.,butmostpeopledon'tevenknowit'sathing.Mostpeopledon'tevenknowthattheirphonewithWifionisconstantlytransmitting,sortof,somemildradiation,andlotsandlotsandlotsofotherexposures.

WhenyougothroughtheTSAsecuritycheck,yourWifi,thesmartmetertheelectriccompanymayhaveontheoutsideofyourhome.Lotsofdifferentexposures.Pointis,wehadagirlthere.Therewasa19-year-oldgirlwhocamewithusthatsummerformyLibertyTalksweekswhowouldnotfollowtherules,andshewouldwalkintotheroomwithherphoneinherpocket.Because,youknow,it'sreallyhardtoseparateteenagersfromtheirphones.Katie'sgonnaworkwithyouall.I'msureshealreadyisonhowtosetlimitswithkidsandnotgiveyoutoomuchexposure.Iknowshe'sdonethistopicalotandit'simportant,andIwishIhadgottenonitsooner.Mykidsareall18to25,butthis19-year-oldgirlwalkedinwithheremittingdevice,andoneoftheEMFrefugeeswhowasinawheelchair,30-year-oldwomanwithLymedisease,whichisprobablywhyshegotsosensitivetoEMF,herimmunesystemwasvery,verytaxedwithLymedisease,andthewomaninthewheelchairwasn'tevenfacingthisgirlwhenshewouldwalkinwithherphone,andshewouldstartseizing.It'shappenedtwice.Andoneofthetimes,Ihadtohelpcatchherassheseizedandgrandmalseizure,andfelloutofherwheelchair.

So,I'mjustmentioningthatbecausethat'sanexampleofwhatahealingclimatetheypreserveatthisplace.Thattheyliterallywon'tevenallowacellphonethatisn'tonairplanemodeinthelunchroom.There'saroomwhereyoucangoandgetWifi.Peopleworkinthere.Theytaketheirlaptopsinthere.It'soneoftheonlyroomsintheclinicthatdoesn'thaveagorgeousview.Theroomyoustayinisthererightonsite.Youcomewithusonaliverdetox,youcanwalkoutofyourroomandpressabutton,you'llbetakenanap,oryoucanbesittingoutonyourlittledeck.Everyroomhasalittledeck,youcanbesittingouttheredrinkingtea,walkoutofyourroom,pressabuttonfortheelevator,and30secondslateryou'rethereonanotherfloorforyourmassage,oryou'rethere,you'rewalkingintolunch.Itjustmakesthingssoveryconvenient.Itmakessuchahealingclimateforourliverdetoxes,butalsoforthesickpatientswhogothere.

I'lltellyouwhat?MostoftheseplacesIwentworldwide.Youhavetofindsometiny,littlehotelsomewhere,andtheotheroneinSwitzerland,Iwentto,superexpensive,probablythemostexpensiveplaceIwentworldwide.Andyouhadtostayatahoteltwomilesaway,andtheroomwasthesmallestroomI'veeverstayedin,anditwas$250anight.Andthen,Ihadtofendformyselfforfood.AndIwaslike,"Gosh,ifIhadcancer,Iwouldnotbewantingtofightthisfight."Here'sthething.Ifyou'regoingtogotooneoftheseclinics,you'vegottorealizethemedicineisn'tjustthetreatments.That'snotjusttheneedleinyourveinwiththehighdosevitaminC,andwhateveritisyou'regetting.It'salsothewholehealingexperience.It'salsothedietthey'refeedingyou.AndIwantedtosee,inmyworldwidetours,Iwantedtoseegreatattentiontothosedetails.


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Andalotoftheseclinics,Imean,everysingleoneIwenttoinGermany,itwassoweird.Theyhadsaltshakersonthetableofregularrefinedsaltandsugarbowlsaroundthetable,andtheywereservingfriedfood,and,like,pieandicecream.AndwhenIwouldaskthedoctorswhoranthisplace,becauseIwaslike,"Wow,Ithoughtthiswaslikea...gosh,ItraveledallthewayhereandIthoughtitwasaholisticclinic.Andtheycertainlydothingsthatare,youknow,rebuildingfortheimmunesystem.ButIwouldsay,what'syourdealwiththedietyou'reservinghere?Youdon'tseemto,youknow,bedoinggluten-free,wholefoods,juicing.I'dlovetoseesomeverynutrient-denseorganicgreensandvegetablesbeingjuiced."Andsomeoftheseclinicsondinner,I'daskthemandthey'dbelike,"Oh,youknow,theyjust...wejustwantthemtojusthaveapeacefulexperienceandnothavetoworryaboutfood.Wedon'twantthemtothinkaboutthat."Or,"Yeah,noteverybodywantsthat."Andso,theyhadtheirexcuses,butI'mtellingyou,thisplaceinSwitzerlandhadallofthosethingsthatIreallywantedtosee.

Imean,itwaskindofovertimethatIdeveloped,sortof,thischecklistofwhatIwantedtosee.AndIintendedtogooutandratethemonline.ButIactuallythinkthatwillhurtsomebusinessesofsomestrugglingclinicswhodohavesomegoodthingsaboutthem.Mostofthemaredoingsomegoodwork,butIdidn'twantto,andIalsodon'twantanybodysuingmeforsayingthattheirclinicisn'tverygood,andthatIwouldn'tsendpeopleIcareabouttoit.ButIamwillingtosaytheonesIthinkarereallygood.

Katie:Yeah,forsure.AndIwasactuallytherewhentheEMFrefugeeswerethere.Iwasn'ttherethesameweekasthegirlwhentheywerehavingthequitetheextremeseizures,althoughIdidseeacoupleoftheirseizures.But,yeah,itwasreally...I'vetalkedaboutitacoupleoftimesonthepodcast.Itreallyhithomeforme,justhowwereallyneedtopayattentiontohowthoseareimpactingus.Andonthefoodnoteaswell.We'vetouchedonit,butweshouldalsomentionwhenyou'rethere,thereisafive-starchef,like,anamazingchefwhocooksallthemeals.AndeventhoughI'mnotnormallyplant-based,Iwasthereandthefoodwasincredible,someofthebestfoodI'veeverhad,andIdidn'tmissmeatatall.Thechefdoesamazingthingswithfennelandartichokesandjustallofthesevegetables.Itwasincredible.Ijustwantedtomakesurewementionedthat.

And,likeyou'vementionedacoupleoftimes,I'llsaythelinkagain,it'swellnessmama.com/go/clinic.Ifyouguyswannacheckitout.Andlikeyousaid,IblockedaweekinOctoberthe6ththroughthe13th.IfanyonewantstocomewithmetoSwitzerland,ifthere'sagroup,I'dlovetogoandhostyouguysandspendsometimeinperson,andHeatherwillbetherethe13ththroughthe20thifthere'sinterestinaweekthere.So,ifyouguysthinkthissoundsreallyinterestingandwannacheckitoutmore,thelinkswillbeintheshownotes,oryoucangotothatwellnessmama.com/go/clinictofindoutmoreandseeifit'sagoodfitforyou.Iknowitisabigcommitmentto,especiallythoseofuswithfamiliestoleaveourfamiliesandourkidsforaweek.ButIwouldsay,ifit'ssomethingthatyoufeellikeyoushoulddo,definitelyresearchitandseeifit'spossiblebecauseitmadeabigdifferenceforme.Itwasanincredibleweek,andI'mexcitedtobeabletoinviteyouguystojoin.Anyotherdetailsyouwannamention,Robyn?

Robyn:Ijustwannamentionthateachofyouwillhavetheopportunitytobepartofahealingprocessforsomeoneolderthanyou.I'mmucholderthanKatie.Mykidsareraised,andI'minmy50snow,but,youknow,allmypeersaretakingcareoftheirveryillparents,andIseeitcomingwithmyparents.I'moneofeightchildren,so,Idon'tthinkI'mtheonethey'regoingtochoosetotakecareofthem,butit'scoming,andIwant


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morepeopletoknowaboutthisclinicwhoarelookingforaplacetobetreated.Youcan'tgothereforthreeweeksandexpectamiracleandgobacktoyoureatingoutoftheMcDonald'sdrivethrough.That'snotgonnawork.However,you'regonnalearnalottherethatyoucouldtakehomeandimplement.

They'llleavewithsupplementtherapy'ssuperdialedinwithdetailedinstructions,howtodoit,butthisiswhereIwouldsendmyownmom.So,Iwannasaythat,thatonthepage,thatKatiejustgaveyouabouttheretreat,thereisapartofthatpagethatisforsickpeople.Westartedoutdoingthatbecausepeoplewouldwanttocometoourretreatwhoarelikestagefourcancerpatientsandwe'dsay,"Youshouldgonow.Youshouldgonowandyoushouldgoforalongertime."Aliverdetoxisforeveryone.Everyoneneedstodetoxifytheirliver.It'sagreatpreventionandit'sagreatthingforsickpeopletodo.However,youknow,weusually,kindof,filltheplacewithliverdetoxers.Andso,it'snotconciergecare.It'snotbringallyourmedicalrecords,andthat'swhatIwantforsickpeople.

So,that'stheadditionalthingIjustwantedtomentionisthat,pointpeopletothepagewhoareillandlookingforsomethinglikethis,becausethey'regonnasavealotofmoney,they'regonnagetmuchbettercarethananywhereIfoundworldwide,andnow,they'vemadelotsandlotsandlotsofchangessotheycanaccommodatenativeEnglishspeakers.Andso,I'mreallypleasedaboutthat.They'veworkedsoveryhard.It'sjustamagnificentfacilityrunbysomeofthemostcaringandknowledgeabledoctorsI'veeverbeenexposedto.AndIknowalotofthem,andIknowalotofgoodones.Butmakesurethatifsomeoneinyourlifeissick,youknow,youcanalwayscometoWellnessMamaandsay,"Hey,whatwasthatlink?"AndIknowKatiehassomeoneonstaffwhocanpointyoutothislink,butit'sagoodthingtokeepbookmarked,becauseitreallyisremarkableandnobodyelsehasflownto20clinicsanddonethedepthofresearchthatIhavehere.So,IjustwannamakesureeverybodyunderstandsthatthisiswhereIwouldsendmyownkid.

Katie:Yeah,thatlinkwillabsolutelybeintheshownotesaswellsopeoplecanlearnmore.AndIagreewiththat.IfIfoundoutthatmyparentshadanyofthesethingsthatwe'vetalkedabout,cancer,neurodegenerativedisease,that'sexactlywhereIwouldsendthemaswell.Butmyhopeisalsotosendthemtheirpre,likeyousaid,uplineofthat,hopefully,theydon'tfacethosethings.AndIprobablywillbetheoneinmyfamilywhoonedaytakescareofmyparents.So,thisissomethingimportanttomeandallofthedetails,again,willbeintheshownotes.Youcangoreadmore,learnmore,findoutifyoucancomejoinmeforaweek,whichIwouldlove,andjustlearnmore.So,Robyn,thankyousomuchforbeinghere.Ilovethatyou'vedoneallofthisworktoexplorebiologicalmedicineandtoconnectpeoplewithsolutionswhensomanypeoplefeellikethey'reoutofanswersintheconventionaltreatmentshere.AndIhopethateventuallywe'llstartseeingmoreofthisavailableclosertohomeforus.ButfornowI'mgladthatwehaveaplacetogoandtogetarebootandspendaweekimprovinghealth.AndIappreciatetheworkyou'vedoneintheinviteforustojoin.

Robyn:Well,it'smypleasuretobehere.Thankyousomuch,Katie.

Katie:Andthankstoallofyouasalwaysforsharingyourmostvaluableresource,yourtimewithus.Wedon'ttakethatlightlyandweappreciateit,andIhopethatyouwilljoinmeagainonthenextepisodeofthe"WellnessMamaPodcast."


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Episode 239: How Biological Medicine Is Changing Health ...when they ask me, "Hey, what do you think of this clinic? I know you went to all these clinics." And people constantly ask