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Episode238:UsingNeuroplasticitytoRewireNervousSystemorBrainDisordersWithCarol

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Katie:Helloandwelcometothe"WellnessMama"podcast.I'mKatiefromwellnessmama.com.Andtoday'sguestisbackforamuchrequestedparttwo,andistrulyoneoftheloveliestpeopleIknow.CarolGarner-Houstonisanincrediblepowerhouseofknowledge,andsheishelpedthousandsoffamilieswhoarestrugglingthroughthingslikeADD,ADHD,sensoryprocessing,andmanyotherstruggles,we'regonnagodeeponthosetoday.Carolhasovertwodecadesofexperienceinpediatricandadultneurologicaldevelopmentwhereshehasgainedwidespreadrecognitionfrombothcolleaguesandpatients.

Shecurrentlyservesasanoccupationaltherapistandneuroplasticianinherprivatetherapycenter,BrainHarmony,andsheistheco-ownerandchiefmedicalofficer.You'lloftenfindherapplyingbrainmappingprotocolsandmodalitiesthatarechangingIQscores,connectingspeechinadultswhohaveneverspoken,andrewiringconnectionstohemiplegiclimbspost-stroke,it'strulyincredible.Shecanoftenbefoundinschools,inherclients'homes,inhertherapyclinic,orvideoconferencingwithclientsaroundtheworld.

HerkeyprioritiesatBrainHarmonyaretoaccelerateoutcomestosupportandoffercompassiontothefamiliesandtofacilitateaffordableaccesstocaresothatpatientscanfindtheiruniquepurpose.Thereissomuchmoretoherbioinherhistoryofawardsandaccolades,butI'llleaveitthereandjustsaythatthetestimonialsandcasestudiesfromherpatientsaretrulyastounding.AndIwantedtobringherbacktodaytoaddressmoreofthequestionsthatI'vereceivedfromyouguys.So,Carol,welcomeandthanksforcomingback.


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Carol:Thankyousomuchforhavingmeback.Itreallyhasbeenawhirlwindsincewerecordedourfirstpodcasttogether.We'vebeenabletoreachhundredsofmorefamilieswhoarestrugglingwithneurologicaldisorderssinceitsrelease.AndI'mexcitedtoreportthatbecauseofyourpodcast,we'reservingfamiliesworldwideinourhomerehabilitationprogram.

Katie:Thatistrulywonderfulnews.AndI'veseenfirsthandinmyowncommunitytheamazingworkthatyoudoandI'vereadcasestudiesfromfamilieswhoarewillingtoshare.It'sreallyamazing.AndIthinkthemostamazingpartisthatforsomanyfamilieswhohaveachildwhohasanyofthosestruggles,itcansometimesfeelsohopelessandmomscanfeelsohelplessandfrustrated,andcertainly,therearemanythingsthatgoalongwiththatthataddsstresstothefamilyandsotoseethosethingsstarttofallaway,yeah,Imeanitbringstearstomyeyes.Buttostart,let'skindofestablishjustforbackground,whataresomeofthebiggeststrugglesthatyouseeinchildrenthatyouworkwithandwhataresomeofthethingsthatpeoplearecomingtoyoutoaddress?

Carol:Well,weareseeingsomanyfamilieswithallkindsofdifferentlevelsofdysfunctionwhetherit'swithchildrenoradults.Anditcanrangefromattentiondeficitdisorder,behaviorissue,learningissues,sensoryprocessingisaverylargeproblemforourfriendsthesedayswhetheryou'reachildoradult,andwe'reseeingthatnegativelyimpactsomanyfamilies.We'realsotreatingadultsandchildrenpost-stroke,cerebralpalsy,Prader-Willisyndrome.Whateverislimitingthebrainortheneurologicalsystemregardlessofdiagnosis,weareabletomakeapositiveimpactbyorganizingthebrainandthecentralnervoussystemwiththemodalitiesandtheprotocolsthatweuse.Sowhateverafamilyisstrugglingwith,weencouragethemtoreachouttousandletusknow,andwewillletthemknowhowwecanhelpyou.

Katie:Whydoyouthinkwe'reseeingsucharise?IknowtheseareallwordsIhearfrommanymomswhohaveachildwho'sworkingthroughoneofthesethings.Whydoyouthinksomanyofthesethingsareontheriserightnowordoyouthinkit'saverymuchmultifacetedissue?

Carol:Idothinkit'samultifacetedissue.There'sallkindsofdifferentfactors,there'sgeneticfactorsthatwe'relearningsomuchabout.Andthat'sanotherreasonwhyIloveyourlibraryofpodcastsbecausethere'smanyresourcesthereongenetictesting,andhowyoucanfindoutwhatyourwholesystemisabout,andwhatitwillrespondwellto,andwhatyouneedtoavoid.Inthatcase,youcanfindcertaingeneticpredispositionsthatmightnotallowforyoutoprocesstoxins,maybeinvaccines,maybeyou'vebeengivenmanyroundsoftheantibioticsthatwereseeingnegativelyimpactbalanceinthevestibularsystem.We'reseeingariseinearinfectionsinourlittlefriendsandthatcancausethesofteningofthemusclesintheinnerear,whichresultsinauditorysensitivities.

Therearejustsomanyfactorsincludingthequalityofourfoodandwhereitcomesfrom.Youdefinitelysetmeofffurtheranddeeperintothatpath,andyourrecentbook,Isuperlove,"TheWellnessMama5-StepLifestyleDetox."Becauseyouhitonsomanyofthose,whyisthishappening?You'relookingatwhat'sinthechemicalsinourfood,inourmakeup,inourwater,inourlifestylesuchasmyfavoriteportionishowtodoadigitaldetox.Youjustcan'tsayanymorethatthecellphonesandtheEMFsandtheWi-Fiisnotnegativelyhavinganimpactonindividuals.Howdeeplyit'simpactingyou,ofcourse,itdependsontheindividual,whereyoulive,whatyou'reexposedto,andhowproactiveyouareatdetoxingyourlifestyle.


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Ourfamiliesthatseereallygoodimprovementswithus,theonesthatseeexponentialhavepairedwithfunctionalmedicinephysicians.Theonesthatgotothecellularleveltoworkoneventhemitochondriainthecellstohelpthemfunctionbetter,andtohealthegut,andthentheyturntooutsideconventionalmedicine.Andtheyturntoustoretrainthebrainandthecentralnervoussystem.Sowecanbringorganizationandbypasswhateveritisinourenvironmentandgeneticcodethathasderailedus.

Katie:Yeah.That'swhyIlovesomuchwhatyoudobecauseIfeelthatthenaturallivingsiteissomethingIhadresearchedsomuchandimplementedinmyownhome.AndIsawsomanyreadersimplementthesethings,andtheywouldseedrasticimprovements,asyouknow,inaspectsoftheirchildrenortheirownlives.Butitalsoseemedlikeifthishadbeenalongtermproblemwhereachildhadbeenhavingtofacetheseenvironmentalstressorstheirwholelife,therewasstill...eventhoughthechildwas,youknow,alotbetterandwasn'tstillhavingtofacethose,therewaslikeacatchingupthatneededtohappenorsomethingthatwasbeyondjusttheenvironmentandthefoodandallthethingsthatIhadresearched.AndsowhenIfoundyou,itwaslikeallthepuzzlepiecescameintoplace,andIrealizedthatyouwereabletodosomethingsounique.Sotalkusthroughthat.Howareyouabletoaccelerateoutcomesinsuchadrasticway?

Carol:Well,we'reabletodothatbecauseweuseveryspecificmodalitiesthatdoveryspecificthingsforthebrainandthecentralnervoussystem.With23yearsofexperience,Ihavefilteredoutandcreatedthecliffnotesofthemostorganizingprotocolsandmodalitiestochangethebrainforthebetter.Andweusesoundfrequenciesandboneconductiontomaketheconnectionsinthebrainthateitheraren'tthereoraren'tthereverywell.

WealsouseprotocolssuchasthesafeandsoundprotocoldevelopedbyDr.Porges,whichspeaksdirectlytothevagusnerve,whichispartoftheparasympatheticnervoussystem.Anditcanprovidethecalming,relaxingeffectanddecreasethestressresponseofthesympatheticnervoussystembystimulatingthesmallbranchofthenerveasitemergesontotheanteriorsurfaceoftheeardrumandearcanal.Virtuallyallchildrenwhohavealearning,attention,orbehaviorproblemorunderconsiderablestress,andinturn,theyoftenlacktheresiliencyandhavelittleabilitytocalmthemselves.Soweprovidetheirbrainwithorganizinginputwithfrequency,duration,andintensitywiththesemodalitiesanditiscalmingthesystem.Andthenwecanactivateandpinpointwithsoundfrequenciesconnectionstoveryspecificpartsofthebrain.

Forexample,withahertzbetweenzeroand750filtrationintheclassicalmusicthatwewillexposetheindividualto,thatspeakstothezone1sensorymotorportionofthebrainresponsibleforbalance,rhythm,coordination,muscletone,that'saverybigone.We'reseeingmany,manyMTHFRfriendswithsuper-lowmuscletonethat'sgonnanegativelyimpacteverythinggloballyfromhead-to-toe,themusclesoftheface,musclesinsidetheinnerear.Andifthoseareflaccidornotactivatedverywell,you'regonnaseeaplateauindevelopmentandyou'regonnaseeatypicaldevelopment,andforwhateverreason,thatissignificantlyontherise.

Sowewilldefinitelyexposethemtothesensorymotorfrequenciesinthatarea.Italsoconnectsthebraintobodyawareness,laterality,whichisinnatelyknowingtherightsideandtheleftsideofyourbody,yoursenseofdirection,behaviorandemotionalregulation.Oncewebuildthoselowerfrequencies,wecanthenmove


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theindividualandexposethebrainintosomeofthehigherfrequencies.MyfavoritezoneisZone2,whichiscommunicationthat'sbetween750and3,000hertz.That'swherethespeechandlanguagebandwidthsareinthatarea.Themusicspeaksandstimulatesthespeechpartofthebrainwheretheindividualcanbetterdophoneticdecoding.

Wehaveseenchildrenincreasereadingskillstwoorthreeyearsbydoingalisteningfolderinthiszone.Theyhavebetterpitchdiscrimination,intonation,theirspeedofprocessingimproves.Oncewecangetthatbase,thatzoneismyfavoritebecauseoftheoutcomesthatweareseeingthataresodrastic.Forexample,wehaveadultfriendsfordifferentreasonswhohavenotspokenintheirentirelives.Thisonecaseinparticularisanadultwithanautismdiagnosisandhebeganourprogram.Westartouractivationprotocol,thesafeandsound,weexercisethemusclesofhisinnerearwhichhelphimprocesshumanspeechbetterbecausethemouthcannotproducewhattheearcannothear.Inthatactivationprotocol,itconnectsandstimulatesdifferentpartsofthebrain.

Oncewe'veactivatedtheinnerearandthebrain,wethenlayerinthosesensorymotortrackstogroundthatindividual,andgettothespeechandlanguagebandwidths.Itismuchdifferentthansittingacrossfromanindividualandtryingtomanuallycreatethosechangesinthebrainortryingtomanuallygetthemtomakesounds.It'sanold-fashionedwaytogoabouttryingtogetspeechdevelopment.Andthisfamilyhastriedallofthatallofhislife,andtheyhaven'tbeenabletostartthespeechprocess.

Butonceweexposehimtothespeechandlanguagebandwidths,henotonlybegantomakesounds,henotonlybegantosaywords,hecameoutwithacompletesentence.Andthecompletesentencewas,"Iwillgointhere."Anditreallyis...youknow,itdoesbringtearstoyoureyesbecausewhatachangefortheindividualandforthefamily.Theywerestunned.Motherandfatherweretherewhenhesaiditalongwiththefull-timecaregiver.

Andfromthere,youbegintounderstand,thebrainiscompletelyneuroplastic.Wecancreatechangesinthebrainthatproducefunction.Thebraindoesnotmatter,doesnotknowhowolditis.Itdoesnotknowwhatdiagnosisit'sbeengiven.Allitknowsishowtochangebasedupontheinputit'sgiven.Sowegiveitthemostorganizingandthemostintenseinputovertime,anditcreatesthehighwaypassofefficiencybetweenallpartsofthebrain.

Sothatindividualhadstagnated,buttherewerepartsthatwerestillpayingattention.Otherwise,youwouldn'tbeabletocomeoutwithacompletesentence.Youwouldhavestartedwith,youknow,theindividualsoundsofaninfant.Hisbrainwasabsorbingandprocessing,butitwasn'tabletofunction.Andnowknowingwiththelawsofneuroplasticity,wecanchangeallofthat.It'sjustveryexcitingandthrillingtobeabletoprovideittosomanyfamilies.

Katie:Yeah.Ittrulyisamazing,andIlovetheapproachverymuchtakesthemindsetthatI'veoftenheardmomssaying,thatIbelievemyself,thatwhenachildismisbehaving,they'renotbeingaproblem,they'rehavingaproblem.Certainly,thereis,youknow,timeswhenchildrenjustbehave.Butwhenthesechildrenwhohavethesestrugglesand,likeyousaid,theycan'tcalmthemselvesortheycan'tfocus,it'snotthat


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they'retryingtobeaproblem,it'sthatthey'rehavingaproblemandnowthereisawaytoactuallyaddressthatthat'snotdifficultorpainfulorjust,youknow,likeyousaid,talkingorsomethingthat'shardforthemanyway,butit'scalmingandthattheycandointheirownhomeeven.

Andyoumentionedthewordneuroplasticorneuroplasticity,I'dlovetogoalittledeeperonthatbecause,Ithink,youknow,somanyofusarereallyonlystartingtounderstandthatandjusthowdrasticandwhatthatmeansforallofus,really,notjustchildrenwhoarefacingastruggle.Whatisneuroplasticity,andwhatdoesthatmeanasfaraswhatwe'reabletodowithourbrain?

Carol:It'smyfavoriteword.Iuseitalldaylong.Neuroplasticityisadiscoverythatthebraincanchangeitselfdependinguponthetypeofinputthatit'sgiven.Theideaoriginatedaroundthe1940withHead'sLaw,whichstatedthatsimultaneous,synchronousfiringofneuronsindifferentareasofthebrainpromotesincreasedneuralconductivitybetweenthose2areas.It'sneuronsthatfiretogetherwiretogether.Andwhatthatmeansisifyoudon'thavetheconnectionsinyourbrainforwhateverreason,it'sokay,wewillbuildit.

MyfavoritebookthathasreallybroughtneuroplasticityintothemainstreamisbyDr.NormanDoidge,a"NewYorkTimes"bestseller,andhisbookis"TheBrainThatChangesItself."AndIlovethisbook.It'ssoinspiringashegoesaroundandmeetswithallkindsofneuroplasticians,that'sactuallyatermthathetaughtmethatIuseformyselfandthetherapiststhatworkwithourclients.Andit'sthestoriesoftransformationthatarehappeningthatareoutsideoftheconventionalmedicalmodels,evenabilitytoconceive.Sowiththatbook,IloveitbecauseIactuallymethimseveralyearsago.AnditwasatanadvancedtrainingandintegratedlisteningsysteminDenver,Colorado.

Andhewasspeakingtoaroomfullofneuropsychologists,psychiatrists,therapists,andhebegantopullupdifferentcasestudiesofbeforeandafterwithneuroplastictherapyinbetween.Andhepulleduponefriendwhowasseverelyonthespectrum,verywithdrawn,verytypicaltypeofcharacteristics,lackofeyecontact,monotonevoice,verylimitedinterest.Andthenheshowedtheafter.Andthisindividualwasableto...becauseofcertainpartsofhisbrainthatwereactuallyverywelldeveloped,hecouldspeakwithgreatinflectionandanimationinhisvoiceandhisfaceasherecitedworksfromaplay.Andasheshowedthisonthescreen,Iwatchedthefacesandyoucouldheartheindividualsgaspingwithamazementat,"Wow,whatkindofchangestheseare."Itwasn'tasurgery,itwasn'tamedication,itwasjustneuroplasticintervention.

AndatthetimeIgaspedtoo,notbecauseIwassurprisedattheoutcomes,butIturnedtomysisterwhoisalsomybusinesspartnerandIsaid,"Waitaminute,that'sGray.Graydidthatyesterday.Andwaitaminute,Sister,isn'tthatLiam?Liamdidthesamething."Aswesatthereinthebackofthisroom,hebegantoshowanothercasestudyofagentlemanwithParkinson'swhowasverylimitedandhewasjustbecomingintothathardshellwithlimitedmobility.Andthenhewasexposedtocertainneuroplasticinterventions,andthentheyshowedhimskippingoverrocksonabeachthatwereslickandwet.AndwatchingasthisgentlemanwithParkinsonwouldtiptoeovertherockswithgreatbalanceandsmoothmovements.

Again,mysisterandI,welookedateachotherandwesmiledbecauseatthatmomentwerealizedthatwewereatthefrontiersofbrainscience.Whatweweredoingwasproducingthosetypesofoutcomeseveryday


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forallofourfriends,dayinanddayout.Itwasamindexplodingtypeofexperience.Andfromthatpointwedecidedwe'resogoodatwhatwedo,wehavetogetthisouttoasmanyfriendsaspossible,asmanyfriendsinthecountry.Sowhatwedidiswesetoutandwenowhavetherapistin47states,certifiedoccupationaltherapistsandoccupationaltherapyassistants.Andweshiptheseprotocolsandmodalitiestoyourhome.Wewilltrainthecaregiversortheindividualthemselvestousethemintheprivacyoftheirownhome.Youdon'thavetoleavetogettoaclinic,you'renotdependentuponcliniciansorleavingyourhomeforthesetypesofchanges.Weteachyouhowtorollitintoyoureverydayexperiencebecauseovertime,that'showyou'llbuildthoseconnectionsinthebrainthatwillovercomedysfunction.

Strokeisanotherfavoriteone,right?Youhaveastroke,thehospitalsavesyourlife,yougothroughacoupleofrehabilitationweeks,yougettomaximummedical,theydischargeyouandtheysaygoodluck.Andyou'releftwithastagnatedbrainanddevelopment.Wehaveanolderclientwhowasinthatsameexperienceandoncehewasdischargedfromthehospital,hejustsatonthecouchalldaylongwatchingTV.Andhiswife,who'sarockstarwife,reachedoutandshewaslookingforeverythingthatshecouldfindbecausethetypicalmedicalmodelhadjustsaid,"That'sallwecando."Butsheknewsheneededtofindsomethingandshewasn'tgonnastopuntilshedid.

Andwhenshefoundus,ofcourse,weexposedhisbraintotheactivationprotocol.Weawokenhisbrainwithfivedaysoflistening.Thenoverathree-monthperiod,thisindividualwasexposedtothosesensorymotorbandwidthsthatItalkedabout.Thenweexposedhisbraintothecommunicationinspeechandlanguage.Thisindividualisnowabletohavegreateyecontact.He'sdoingthingsmorequickly.He'srememberingthingsfrom7to10yearsago.HecanrecognizehisgranddaughteronSkypeandengageinconversation.Ifhedoesn'thavethewords,atleasthecanreflectinhisfacialexpressionsandcontinuetoconnecttoher.Hecannowgotothebathroominpublicareaswithnoaccidents.There'slessdrooling,andhe'sinitiatingdoinglaundryforhimself.Thathislife,thatispurpose.Andthat'swhatthesetypesofmodalitiesaredoing.

Katie:Yeah.It'sastounding,thebrain'sabilitytoadaptlikethat.AndIguesswhenyoulookatitinaholisticway,likeyouwouldlookatthebodyinaholisticway,thebodyalwayswantstomovetowardastateofhealthandthebraininthesamewayprobablyalwayswantstomovetowardastateofhealthandfunctionandallthethingsit'ssupposedtodo.It'sjustsoencouragingtoknowthatevenifthere'sbeenatraumaorlackofnutrientsfromanMTHFR,orwhateverthecausemaybe,thatthere'sawaytohelprebuildthebrainevenifthat'salreadyhappened.BecauseIthinksomanyparents,especially,canfeelthathopelessnessoflike,"Oh,well,IthinkIfiguredoutwhymykidmaybehasthestruggle,"butthatdoesn'tfixthefactthatthechildhasthestruggle.

AndsoI'dloveforyoutospeakalittlebittosomeofthemostcommononesthatIgetquestionsabout,youknow,momsbothwithyoungchildrenandolderchildren.AndthosewouldbethingslikeADDandADHDandsensoryprocessingandbehavior,especiallythoseseemtobeverybigissuesformoms.

Carol:Yes.Andweseethatfrequently.Andessentially,youhitonitalittlebitearlierwhenachildismisbehavingornotabletoattend.Tome,thechildisareflectionofthestateoftheirneurologicalsystem,andthat'showIbegintoaddresstheorganization.Andwhenyoustateitthatway,itdoeshelptheparentsto


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decompressjustalittlebit,andtoknowthat,well,thisisgoingtogetbetterbecausewe'regonnaorganizeitinaveryspecificwayfromabottom-upapproach.

Asimplisticwaytounderstandeachoneofthoseareasofdeficitsthatyoumentionedisweusesomethingcalledthepyramidoflearningtohelpusunderstandwhythosedeficitsarethewaytheyare.It'sanicevisualpyramidanditshowsyouthecentralbuildingblocksofthecentralnervoussystem,andhowallotherskillsaredependentuponit.Sowhatwedoisweorganizethevestibularsystem,thereflexmaturity,ocularmotor,andasyoubuildthosefoundationsoffunctionthentheotherhigherlevelsofskillssuchasattention,impulsecontrol,behavior,thosebegintoimprovebecauseyoucreatedtheorganizationinthebrainandinthecentralnervoussystem.

SoforafriendwithADHDorbehavior,wealwaysexposethemtothesafeandsoundprotocol.We'vegottocalmthatautonomicnervoussystem.It'showwegetourfriendsofftheceilingsothattheycanprocesshumanspeechbetter,andthentheycanbetterbeabletolearn.Andthenwelayerinacustomizedprogramforthemtoaccentuateandbuildthoseconnectionsthataren'tthereoraren'tthereverywell.Sohowthatwillworkforanindividualcanlooksomethinglikethis.Ihavequotesfromthisonemomabouthersix-and-a-halfyearoldsonwhowasdiagnosedwithADHD,whohadjustgraduatedfromourprogram.

Aftertwomonthsinourprogramshestatesthat,"Hisfocusisbetter.Hehasalwaysbeenaveryintensechild,"butshethinksthethingsaregettingbetter.Thenextmonthshestatesthat,"Heisbetterabletocalmhimselfwhenhegetsupset.He'shavingfewermeltdownsandgoesmorewiththeflow."Thenextmonth,"Hisstrong-willedbehaviorsarecontinuingtoease,andbecomingeasiertohandle.Hissocialskillsteacherisnoticingadifferenceinhisbehaviorinclassandhowhetakesininformation."Allofthoseareindicators,inchstonesofdevelopmentaswecallthem,inchstonesthatthecentralnervoussystemisorganizedandfunctioningthewayit'sintendedto.

Inthenextmonth,themomobservedhiminclassthisweekandsawhewasabletofocusonthematerialinclass.Shefeltlikethematerialwasclickingbetterandheseemedmoregrounded.Themotheristhrilledwiththeprogressandthenthatmotivateshertodomorelistening.Thenextmonthshecallsusandsheiskindofconcernednotbecauseanythingnegativeishappening,butsheisconcernedbecausehowisitpossiblethatnotallpediatriciansknowaboutthis?Shesaysthat,"Theseprogramshavebeenarealgamechangerforhim."Whenhefinishedourprogram,theyre-didIQ,cognitive,andneurologicaltesting.ThepsychologistreportedthathenolongermeetsthecriteriaforanADHDdiagnosis.Areyoukiddingme?

Imean,that'sarealchangethatfamiliesarelookingfor.Rightnow,thetypicalmedicalmodel,ifyouhavetheseissues,somanyofthephysicianstheydon'tknowwhattodoexceptforwriteascriptpad.Andthescriptpadsmakingmeveryanxious,theyarestimulants,itisamphetamines,manyofthem.Thereare,ofcourse,otherchoices,butweareseeingsometimesseven-year-oldchildrenontwoorthreeamphetaminesatatime.Andit'snotasifthedosagedecreases,itjustincreasesortheychangedtoanotherone.Andthat'snotteachingthebraintofunctionindependentlyofitself.It'sacompensatorystrategyfordisorganizedbrain.Sousingthesetypesofprotocolscanhelpyouunderstandhowyoucanimpacttheentirebrainandneurologicalsystemwithsomeofthesemodalities.


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Katie:Andespeciallyfromhome,that'salsohelpfulformomsbecauseit'snotthedrivingbackandforthtoanofficeallthetimeortoappointments.Youmentionedthewordvestibularsystem,canyougiveusalittleprimeronwhatthevestibularsystemisandwhatitdoes?

Carol:Yes.Thevestibularsystemisaprimarybuildingblockofthecentralnervoussystem.It'srightthereattheverybottomofthepyramidoflearning.It'sthefirstonetodevelopinutero.Andallotherskillsincludingspeech,attention,andcoordinationarealldependentuponthatsolidfoundation.Inlayman'sterms,itcouldbeyoursenseofbalanceorknowingwhereyouareinspace,butyouhavetobegroundedandtobeabletobetoconnectalltheseothersensorypiecesandmotorcoordinationandhighercognitivefunctioningskillstothevestibularsystemtofunction,sometimeswithourfriendsonthespectrum,andthey'reverydisorganized.

Andaneasywaytoexplainthevestibularsystemisthey'reveryfloaty,theywalkontheirtoes,they'refloating,theireyesaren'tthere,engagedwithyou,they'rejustfloatingaroundinspaceasiftheyhaven'tbeengroundedyet.Andthenonceyoustarttogivetheinputwithsomeofthesemodalitiessuchastheboneconductionandthesoundfrequenciesthatspeakspecificallytothevestibularapparatusinsidetheinnerear,itbeginstogroundthemandthey'llstandthereandpicktheirheadupandlookatyou,andit'sifthey'vejustarrivedintheuniverse.Andit'safantasticprocesstosittherewithamomandsay,"Oh,welcome,I'msogladyoumadeit."Thisindividualmaybethreeorfouryearsold,butforwhateverreason,itwasn'tdevelopedverywell.Andnowitis,andnowwecangettoworkandbuildmoreofit.

Katie:Thatmakessense,it'ssocool.SoImentionedinyourbiothatyou'veactuallyseenpeoplebegintohavemovementinlimbsthatwerepreviouslyparalyzed.Canyouexplainhowthatworks?

Carol:Yes.SoIhavetwolittlefriendsbothwhohadstrokesinuteroandwerebornwithcerebralpalsy.Andsotheydefinitelyhadonesideoftheirbodythatwasnegativelyimpactedandthetypicalmedicalmodel,youknow,they'llgiveyousplintstohelpandbuildupthebottomoftheirshoesothattheycancompensateforthesedeficits.ButIhadn'tseenanyonebeabletoreturnfunction,yet,untilwestartedtouseourmodalitiesalongwithsomeofourprotocols.theconstraint-inducedtherapywhereyoutakethefunctioningarmorlegandyouputitinacast.Andthenyoudawnsomeofourmodalities,whichisstimulatingthebraintomakeconnectionswheretherearen'tanyortheyaren'tthereverywellandweasktheindividualtogothroughexercisesandactivitieswiththeaffectedarm.Wecanhavetheirarmtrytomakeshapesandshavingcream,wecanhavethemstarttobuildlargeblocks.Anditisforcingthebraintobuildthoseconnectionsintheaffectedarm.Andwhatweseeisfunctionreturning.

Ihavebeautifulvideosofamomwhosentuspicturesofherchildwhenshebroughtherforswimminglessons.Andtowatchthischildpost-strokeinutero,andImean,youknow,that'sdeepin,youknow,primitivehumandevelopmentwasinterruptedverystronglyonmultiplelevels.Andtowatchthisindividualbegintousebothsidesofherarmstodothecrawlacrossthepoolandtokickbothofherlegs,it'samazingandastoundingtowatch.Iknowthattheseoutcomesarethere,wedoitalldaylong,buttoseeitexpressedineachindividualisstillsowonderfulbecauseit'suniquetothatindividual,andyouwatchwhatitdoesforthathumanandforthefamily.


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Andthenastheysendusmorepicturesofthatindividualthenbeingabletositinakayakandusebothhandstopaddleontherightandleftside,thosearethechangesthatarebuildinghopeforthesefamilies.Andthatifyou'restuckoryou'restagnatedinwhereyouareandyoufeellikeyouhavenooptions,justreachoutandknowthattherearechangesouttherethatcanbemadeandwe'rehappytoconnectyouwiththeonesthatwill.

Katie:Wow.ThatremindsmethatyoumentionedthemirroringthearmsanditmaynotberelatedbutI'dlovetohaveyoutalkaboutit.OneofthetimeswhenIvisitedyouinperson,youtalkedaboutatestthatyoudowithkidswhereyouhavethemturntheirfeetoutwardsandtheirhandsoutwardandthenwalk,andseeiftheycouldwalkmovingtheirfeetwithoutmovingtheirhands.Canyouexplainwhyyoudothatandwhatittellsyou?

Carol:Absolutely.It'sabasicbuildingblockofthecentralnervoussystemforyoutohavereflexmaturity.Andasinfants,weareallbornwithreflexesthathelpussurviveoutsideofthewomb.Youhavetherootingreflexwhereyoubrushaninfant'scheekandthey'llturntobreastfeed.YouhavetheBabinskithat'steachingyouhowtoliftyourlegtowalk.Butthoseareintendedtobethereforonlyashortperiodoftime,andtheyshouldbeintegratedbyyearone.Thetrend,forwhateverreason,isthatwe'reseeingmucholderchildrenandevenadultswhohavetheseveryinfantilereflexpatternsthatarestillpresent.

Andyoucanimaginehowinfantilemovementpatternswillnegativelyimpacteverythingfromcoordination,physicaldevelopment,andemotionregulation.So,ofcourse,anygoodtherapistisgonnatestforprimitiveretainedreflexesintheirtherapyprotocol.Andwhatyou'respeakingofisspecificallytotestfortheMororeflex.It'sveryeasytodo,youcandoitinyourownhome.Wehavevideosthatwecansharewithyoutoshowyouhowtodoit.Butessentially,youhavetheindividualjuststandwiththeirarmsloosey-gooseyattheirsideandyoutaketheirtoesandtheygoouttothesidelikethefirstpositioninballet.

Youasktheindividualtowalkforwardabout15feetandyou'rewatchingtoseeiftheupperbodyimitatesthelowerbody.Ifyouhaveanintegratedreflex,youshouldbeabletowalkwithyourtoesoutandyourarmsarejustswingingforwardbytheirside,youwalkbackwards.ButifyoustillhaveaMororeflexpattern,whenyouputyourtoesout,thehandscomeupandthumbscomeouttothesideandtheybegininthisfullbodycontortionpatterntryingtowalkforwardsandbackwards.It'sreallyquitestrikingtoseeanditcanworrysomefamiliesbutwesayit'sokay,wejustidentifyit,andthenwehaveaprotocolthatcanintegrateit.

Onceweintegratesomeoftheseinfantilemovementpatterns,youwillseeadrasticimprovementinbilateralcoordination,ocularmotorcontrol,andemotionalregulation.BecausetheMororeflexisalsoknownasthestartlereflex,that'swherethatfullbodymovementcomesfrom.Sowhenyouhadyourinfantonthebedandsomebodydroppedsomethingandtheywoulddothatfullbodyshakeandstartle,that'swhatessentiallytheindividualisstillstuckin,afullbodymovementpattern.Andforevolvedhumandevelopment,youneedtobeabletoseparateyourextremitiesfromyourcore,youreyesfromyourhead.Andthoseinfantilereflexpatternscanconstrictdevelopmentsignificantly.

Katie:Gotit.Thatmakessense.It'ssocoolthatthat'sabletoberehabilitated.


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Katie:Andyoumentionedthatthat'satestthatparentscaneasilydoathomewiththeirownchild.Walkusthroughalittlebitmorehowyou'vebeenabletotakethesetherapiesthatyoualsodoinpersonatyourlocation,buthowyou'vebeenabletotakethoseandreachparentsallovertheworldandhowyouareabletoworkwiththemandstillgetthesameresults?

Carol:Well,we'vetakenthemostpowerfulmodalitiesandprotocolsandweshipittothefamilyinabox,anditcomestotheirhome.Wecoordinatetheopeningoftheboxwithoneofourcertifiedtherapists.Theyhelpyouopenthebox,theyhelpyouputtheprotocolstogether,they'reveryeasyandsimplistictouse.Theevolutionoftechnologyhasmadeallofthisportable,andwegiveyouthetipsandthetricksofhowtogetstarted.

Thenwefollowyouweeklywiththerapeuticappointmentstokeepyoumotivatedonyourlisteningprogram.Andwecustomizethislisteningprogrambyusinganonlinetoolcalledthe"MeasureofFoundationalAbilities."Thisisacomprehensiveonlinequestionnairethatprovidesmewithaverygoodsummaryofthestateofyourneurologicalsystem.Thequestionnairediffersfordifferentages,pre-school,gradeschool,adolescents,andadults.Andfromtherewecustomizealisteningprogramandhelpyoutodeliverittoyourselfinyourhomethroughthehandsofoccupationaltherapists.Wemeetwithyouweekly,wewillalsodoanessentialskillsscreenthatwecandoviavideoconferencing.Andtheimagecomesupandwemeeteachotheronline,andwewalkyouthroughaseriesofexercisesfromocularmotortosomevestibulartesting,todefinitelythoseretainedreflexes,we'realwaysgonnatestforthat,andlookingatyourgraspingpatternonyourwritingutensil.


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Sothenwehaveveryspecificgoalsthatwe'regonnabeabletoachievethatareessentialforfunction.Andthatcustomizedlisteningprogramthatyou'relisteningtowhetherit'sdailyorthreetofourtimesaweekismakingthoselongstandingchangesinthebraincoupledwiththeveryspecificprotocolsdeliveredbyoccupationaltherapiststhatisspringboardingtheoutcomesintoamassamountofoutcomesthathaven'tbeenseenbefore.It'sabeautifulpairingofmodalitiesandskilledintervention.

Katie:Ilovethat.AndIthinkI'llmakesurethelinkstothatareintheshownotes,oryoucanactuallyfindthepostwe'vewrittenaboutitinthetwopodcastsbyjustGooglingWellnessMamaandBrainHarmonytogether,thosewillcomerightupandlinkswillbeintheshownotesaswell.Also,I'dlovetotouchonanothersideofthisbecausewe'vebeenfocusingonthesideofthepersonwho'sgoingthroughthisexperienceorthechildwhohasthisthingthatthey'reworkingthrough.

ButI'dalsolovetotalkaboutthemomortheparentsandthefamily,becausecertainlythisisnotsomethingthatonlyaffectsoneperson.AndIknowIhearfrommomswhounderstandablyarecompletelyexhaustedandoverwhelmedwithjustthelogisticsoftakingcareofachildwhohasthesethings.Iknowyou'veworkedwithmanyofthesepeopleandalsotheircaregivers,socanyougiveussometipsforhowthesemomscanhelppickthemselvesoffthefloorwhenthey'reprobablyalsodepressedandanxious,andtheystillhavetodoallofthethingsthatgowithbeingamomlikegroceriesandworkandthenthey'restilltakingcareofachildaswell?

Carol:Yes.Careforthecaregiversisapassionofmine.I'msensitivetothat.Ihave2childrenwithautoimmune-baseddisorders,whichmeantthatforprobablyabout4yearsmyhusbandandIweredoing24-hourmedicalcareforabout4yearswith2childrenundertheageof5.Itwasdevastatingfinancially,emotionally,spiritually.Butfromthatexperiencedrovemypassiontodeliveraccessibilitytocare,ofqualitycare,anddeliverservicestofamiliestohelpgetthemoffthefloor.

Sooneofthethingsthathelpedmegetoffthefloordefinitelywasconnectingwithafunctionalmedicinephysician.Becauseoftheamountofstresswewereunder,Ihadblownoutmyadrenalglands,mythyroidlevelswerecompletelyoff.Whichatthetime,youcanfeellikeit'sacharacterflaw.Youcanfeelasifit'sbecauseyou'renotgoodenoughorbecausewhat'shappenedtoyouistoomuchforyou.Butwhatifyourbodyisnotproducingthechemicalsenoughtomakeyoufeelgood?Whatifyoudon'thavethethyroidthatgivesyouthatenergyleveltobeableto,youknow,multi-stepprocesstomanageallofthesethings?

SoIwouldencourageanycaregivertomakesurethatthey'regettingthattypeofsupport.There'slotsofgreatfunctionalmedicine,yourpodcast,beautiful,beautifulpeopletoconnectyouwiththatcanhelpyouinthatregard.There'sDr.LanaandDr.LeahatDocsOutsidetheBox,whichisaholisticurgentcareinSt.Pete.Theycangetyoufeelingbetterfromachemicalstandpoint.

ButwhatIwishIhadaccessto,whichInowgivetoallofmycaregivers,isatoolcalledtheAlpha-Stim.TheAlpha-Stimgeneratesauniqueandpatentedwaveformthatonceyoutaketheselittleearclipsandclipthemtoyourears,itproducesthealphawavesinthebrain,whichcombatanxiety,insomnia,anddepression.Andit


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isaninstantaneoustypeofproductioninthebrain.Andthebrainsays,"Oh,waitaminute.Thisiswhatitfeelsliketofeelgood."Andit'sonatimer,youcandoitfor20minutes,40minutes,60minutes,youputthelittlecontraptioninyourpocketandyougetyourselfupoffoffloor,andcontinuetodothethingsthatyouknowyouhavetodo.Butyoudon'thavetofightthroughthestaticandtheexhaustionandthemental...staticisagoodword...whereyouhavetofightsohardjusttodobasicfunction.

What'sniceaboutatoollikethisisthatnotonlydoesittrainthebraininthatmomenttobeabletofunctionbetter,ittrainsthebraintoproduceandrecognizethealphawaveswhenyou'renotwearingtheunit.Sothatmeansthatyouare...it'sanotherneuroplasticbraintrainingtypeoftool.Thistoolisalsoincrediblyhelpful...IwishIhaditwhenIwasinthatdarkspace,butI'mgladIhaveitnow...isthatyoucanwearitduringtheday.Butatnighttime,ifyou'rehavingdifficultysleeping...Idolikeyourchapteron,youknow,thesleepdetox,whichIthinkisveryimportant,inyourbook.Butifthat'snotquitegettingitforyou,youcanaddthissametoolandyouknockupthedialsabit,andIfallasleep.

Iwakeupinthemorning,thetimerwillturnofftheunitwhenit'sdone,andI'llwakeupinthemorning.Theearclipsarestillonmyears,butIhadfallenasleepandIdidnothavetotakeanythingthatwouldgivemeahangoverthenextday.Sothatisanothergreat,fantastictooltoshowyouthattheneuroplasticityofthebraincanbequicklyachievedwithsmallmodalitiesthatyoucanlayerintoyourlifethatcangetyouupoffthatfloorsoyoucancallandconnectwithafunctionalmedicinephysician.Andthen,again,ofcourse,tocontinuetoconnectandreachoutforhelpforyourchildevenifyoufeellikeyouhaven'tbeenabletofindanythingthatworks.Thereisalwayshope,andIbelievethatnothingisimpossiblebecomesIseeiteveryday.

Katie:Yeah,it'samazing.And,ofcourse,allthatisavailableatbrainharmony,com,butI'llalsoputlinkstoallthespecificonesyoumentionedsopeoplecanfindthose.Andthosewillbeintheshownotesatwellnessmama.fm.Iknowaquestionsomepeoplemaybewondering,andIknowIaskedyoubefore,isforespeciallyamomwhomaybehasachildthat'sgonnathroughoneofthestrugglesbutalsohasneurotypicalchildren,iscanthesethingsbebeneficialtoallchildren?Eventhosewhodon'thaveadiagnosedstruggle,likecouldallkidswhowelike,youknow,wanttomakesuretheirreadingisontrackorthey'reabletocalmdown,canallkidsusethesethings?

Carol:Absolutely.Thereisusuallyanindividualinthefamilyunitthatinitiatesthephonecalltous.Andoncewegetthesetoolsandprotocolsinsidethefamily'shome,weencouragethefamily,allofthefamily,thecaregivers,themom,thedad,thesisters,thebrothers,whynotusethesetools?Therearethemostpowerfultoolsintheworld,andcancreatelifelongconnectionsandmorerobustdevelopmentandoptimalbrainperformanceforyou.

We'realsoseeingexecutivesnowcontactingusbecauseofthestaticandthestress,theydon'thaveaspecificdiagnosis.They'rejustentrepreneursandallthatjust,youknow,thekindofpressurethatcancomewiththat.Sowelayerinthesetoolsforthemtoo,absolutely,theAlpha-Stim,thedreampad.Forsome,wecanwalkthemthroughthesafeandsoundprotocol,andthenlayerontheseverycustomizedlisteningprogramtohelpthemfunctionatthehighestlevelpossible.Soyoudon'tneedtohaveadiagnosisorsomethingnegative,youcouldjusthavethatfeeling.


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Becausewedon'twantafamilynottoreachoutforhelpbecausetheydon'thaveadiagnosisorthey'rescaredbecauseiftheygotoaphysicianthattheymightgetabigscaryone.Andthat'sjustdelayingcare.That'sjuststagnatingthedevelopmentfortheentirefamily.Wecanstartjustwithverybenigntypethingssuchaslackoffullspeechdevelopment,orlackofattention,orpoorregulation.Thosearen'tscary,thosearejustconcretethingsthatyouseeineverydaylife.

Yourollthesetoolsintheprivacyofyourownhomewithlicensedtherapists.Andyouwatchasanindividualbeginstoorganizeandtofeelbetterandtofunctionbetter.Andthat'swhenwegettoseemoreofthatuniqueindividualthatthey'reintendedtobeandtheycanfindtheirpurpose.Sowedefinitelysuggestthatthecaregiversdotheirlisteningbecausethey'vebeencarryingthedeficitsortheinjuriesandillnessesoftheirfamilyunit,andtheycanbeinasmuchdistressasthepeopletheyarecaringfor.Sotogether,theyallmoveintoanewchapteroffunctionandbettercommunicationwitheachother.

Katie:It'ssocool.Ican'tbelieveourtimehasflownbyagain.Ithinkwe'llhavetomakethis...we'llhavetohaveyoubackonagainforathirdtimebecauseIhavestillsomanymorequestions.ButafewIwantedtomakesurewegotinbeforetheendthatIlovetoaskare,isthereabookthat'sreallychangedyourlifeandwhy?

Carol:Yes.It'sdefinitely"TheBrainThatChangesItself,"andthatone,it'sjustfantastic.Thewaythatheexplainsandwalksthroughtheevolutionofneuroplasticityandthefrictionthatalotoftheseneuroplasticianswerefightingoffveryearlyinmedicineastheybegantocreatethesechangesinthebrain.Andthetypicalmedicalmodelsaid,"No,you'rewrongthatcan'thappen.Thatshouldn'thappen.Wedon'thavethesciencethatsaysithappenssoit'snothappening."

Soittellsyouabouttheirstoriesoftriumphthroughthat.Andallalongthetime,youknow,itreallydoessparkashegoesthroughdifferentones.One,astoryaboutawomanwhosevestibularsystem,again,wealljustlearnedaboutthat,yoursenseofbalance,wascompletelydisruptedafteraseriesofantibiotics.Andshewascompletelydisorientedanddisabled,feltlikeshewasfallingthroughthefloor,couldn'tstand,couldwalk,ofcourse,shecan'twork,youcan'tcareforyourself.It'saterrifyingstatetobe,andthenhowtheyretrainedhervestibularsystemthroughinputthroughhertongue.

Andhealsotalksaboutaphysicianpost-stroke,howhereturnedtofunctionbyrehabilitatinghisbrainwithneuroplasticideas.Soitisbeautifulstoriesthatincludehopeandreallysparkstheinterestin,hey,neuroplastictoolsaresomethingthatcanchangeyourlife.Anditencourages...hespeaksaboutintegratedlisteningsystemsinhisbook.Theyarethepioneers,Dr.Minson,KateMinson,andDr.Porges,theyhavepackagedtheseneuroplastictoolsinsuchawaythatweastherapistsandasthespecialistscandeliverthemtoyouinyourhome.

Soit'sveryexcitingandI'mhopingtoaddmyown,youknow,storiesthatwe'reexperiencinginourclinicsandinourhomeprogramstocontinuetomotivatefamiliestonotfeelthatthat'sallthereistotheirdevelopment,thatthere'ssomuchmore,anddevelopmentcangoonyourentirelife.Evenintoyour70sand80s,youcancontinuetogainandretrainyourbrainforfunction.


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Katie:Absolutely.Also,whatareafewareasthatyoufeellikearenotwellunderstoodormisunderstoodaboutyourareaofexpertise?

Carol:Well,thatwecandowhatwearedoing.Thephysiciansdon'tknow.Now,theonesaroundherewhereIlive,they'relearning.They'relearningbecausefamiliescomeinandtheycomplainoftheseissues,attention,behavior,learning,differentscarydiagnoses.Andthephysicianssay,"Well,okay,youcantrythisOT."Sotheycometousandtheystartworkingthroughtheseprograms.Butit'snotlikeanythingthatthefamilyorthecommunityortheworldhaseverseen.Andthentheygobacktothisphysician,andthephysicianislike,"Waitaminute,what?"Likelookatthisperson,youcanseeitclinicallywhentheywalkin,fromtheirbalancetotheireyecontacttotheirsocialskills.Andthen,ofcourse,whentheparentsarebringinginthestandardizedassessmentsofacademics,thenthephysiciansbegintoreferclientstousbecausethey'veseenitfirsthand.

Butthere'sawholeworldouttherewherethephysiciansdon'tknowaboutus,don'tknowaboutwhat'shappening.Butthat'swhat'ssowonderfulaboutyourpodcastandwhatyoudoisbecauseyou'recollectingnotonlypractitionerssuchasmyself,butallkindsofdifferentareasandgivingthefamiliesaccessandthepowertobeadvocatesforthemselves,tofindoutwhat'sgonnaworkforthem,andtostartgettingtoworktohealandrecoverbecauseit'soutthereregardlessofageandregardlessofdiagnoses.

Katie:Andlastly,iftherewasonepieceofadviceyoucouldspreadfarandwide,maybeespeciallytofamilieswhoareworkingthroughthis,whatwoulditbeandwhy?

Carol:Ifyoufeelthateverythingmayhavebeenstrippedaway,thatyoumayhavebeenforsaken,thatyoucan'tfindawayout,itcouldbetimetolookintofindingaspiritualbaseoraspiritualpurpose.Itcanhelpyouthroughthosedarktimesandhelpyoufindwhatyouneedtogetupoffthefloor,toreachoutforhelp.Helpisoutthere,andsometimeswhenyoufeellikeeverythinghasbeenlost,youcanstillhavethisfaiththatcanpullyouthroughandgiveyoupurposeinyoursuffering.

Katie:Ilovethat.Carol,thistimehasflownby.LikeIsaid,we'llhavetodoitagain.Butthankyousomuchforsharingandteachingtodayandforyourmissionandallthatyou'redoingtohelpfamilies.

Carol:Thankyousomuch,Katie.It'sbeenafantasticexperienceknowingandworkingwithyou,andIlookforwardtomanymoretimestogether.

Katie:Likewise.Andthankyou,asalways,toallofyouforsharingyourmostvaluablegiftandyourtimewithustoday.Weareverygratefulforyouandthatyouchosetospendtimewithus.AndIhopethatyou'lljoinmeagainonthenextepisodeofthe"WellnessMama"podcast.

Ifyou'reenjoyingtheseinterviews,wouldyoupleasetaketwominutestoleavearatingorreviewoniTunesforme?Doingthishelpsmorepeopletofindthepodcast,whichmeansevenmoremomsandfamiliescouldbenefitfromtheinformation.Ireallyappreciateyourtime,andthanksasalwaysforlistening.

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