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Episode230:HowtoProtectYourMindset&Livea

BalancedLife:ChaleneJohnson'sStory


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Katie:Hello,andwelcometothe"WellnessMama"Podcast.I'mKatiefromwellnessmama.com.AndI'msoexcitedtobeheretodaywith"NewYorkTimes"bestsellingauthorof"PUSH,"andshe'swrittensomanyotherprogramsaswell,ChaleneJohnson,whoisalifestyleandbusinessexpert,anamazingspeakerandapodcasthost.AndoneofthethingsIadmirethemost,sheandherhusbandBrethadbeenmarriedforover20years.AndtogethertheyfoundedtheSmartLifemovement.Shehasalso,withthehelpoftopdietitians,doctors,researchers,andexpertsrecentlyfoundedsomethingcalled,"The131Method,"whichIthinkwe'regonnatalkabouttoday.Andshehoststwotoprankedpodcast,"TheChaleneShow"and"BuildYourTribe."And"HuffingtonPost"hasrecognizedherasoneofthetop50femaleentrepreneurstowatch.Todaywe'regoingtodelveintoseveralaspectsofherownhealthjourneyinherlife.AndI'mhopingthatshewillsharesomeofhertopadviceforlivingahappierandmorebalancedlife.Charlene,welcome,andthanksforbeinghere.

Chalene:Well,Katie,thankyousomuch.It'sanhonor.Thiswillbeagreatconversation.


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Katie:Icannotwaittojumpin.SoIknowfromtalkingtoyourteamthatyou'verecentlysufferedareallyprettyseverehamstringinjurythatisalmostalwaystreatedwithsurgery,butthatyoumanagedtobouncebacknaturally.Everybodylisteningtypicallyhasanaturalfocusandisreallyinterestedinalternativeornaturaltherapies.Soifyoudon'tmind,couldyoutakeusthroughthatstoryandlike,letusknowwhatyoudidthatworked?

Chalene:Ohmygosh,youjustbecamemyBFF.Iwannatalkaboutthisendlessly,andI'mjustlikelookingforeyesthatlookinterestedbecauseIjustthinkit'sfriggingfascinating.Andsothankyouforaskingthatquestion.Yeah,soI...it'skindofembarrassingbecauseIwasn'tlikesprintingordoingsomethingreallycool.IwasrollerskatingoutonastreetandIhitsomegravel.AndIhadonelegoutinfrontofmeimaginewithmytoeslifted.Sothatlegwasfullyextended,kneesalmostlocked,thatleg'soutinfront.AndIhitarockandIlikeslammeddownintoaforwardsplit,whichI'mnotpreparedtodoandittorethreeofthehamstringmusclesoffthebone.ItwaslikeI'dbeenshotbyamachinegun.Like,IjustwentdownandIknew,oh,likeIfeltlikemylegwasdetached.It'sthestrangestfeelingandincrediblypainful.ButIliterallyfeltlikewhenyou'vetornmuscleorpulledamuscle,youcanfeelit.Likehow?AmIparalyzedononeleg?Like,whatisthis?

Anyways,IhadanMRIandsufferedahamstringavulsionwherethemusclehadtornawayfromthebone,allthreehamstringattachments,fromthepelvicbone,andreally,becauseofthesizeofthetear,anditwasn'tlikeatear,itwasafulldetachment.Theyjustsaid,"Youronlyoptioniswemakeasmallincisionunderthecreaseofyourbutt.Wegointotheglutes,wepullthedetachedhamstringbackupunderthebone,wesutureitontotheboneandit'sgonnatakeaboutsixmonthstoayeartoheal."That'sit.Like,that'stheonlyalternative.ButIdecidedlike,"Okay.Igetit.ButmaybeIshouldseeafewotherdoctors."IhadaneventwhereIneededtobeinfrontof20,000fitnessfolksdoingPiyo,whichisaworkoutIcreated,andit'saflexibilityworkout.IknewIhadtobeinfrontofpeoplelikeliterallyfiveweekslater.Sothatwasprettysketchy.AndsoIwantedtogoseeanotherdoctorwhoisanorthopedicsurgeonwhoisjustlikeoneofthosefreakishgenius,likedoesn'tcarewhatmodernmedicineissaying,likehewantstogettothescience.He'sjustagenius,nootherwayIcandescribehim.Andyouwouldthinkanorthopedicsurgeonwouldsay,"Okay.Weneedoperate."Buthewaslike,"I'vebeendoingtheseexperimentalthings.Ifyou'redownwithit,Iwouldrecommendyoufollowthisprotocol."Andtheprotocolissomethinkwouldreallylovetodoinsteadofsurgery,butnoneofit'scovered,zero.Anditwasincrediblyexpensive.ButI'mlike,"Dude,I'mgame.It'smyhealth.Iwouldmuchratherdothisandgoundertheknife."

Andtheprotocol,ifIcangeneralizeorsummarize,itwastoproduceasmuchstemcellregenerationaspossiblewiththekindoffinalorthelasttwooptionswouldbetodoastemcellinjection,whichIdidn'tendupdoing.Andthenthefinalplanwouldbetooperateifitdidn'treattach.SoIdidhyperbaricoxygenchambertreatments,togiveyouthespecifics,hyperbaricoxygenchambertreatmentinahardunit.They'resoftunitsandhardunits.Soit'sahardunitusedatmosthospitals.Ididthatfivetosixdaysaweek.Ididcuppinganddryneedlingthreetimesaweek.Ididphysicaltherapythreetimesaweek.Ididinfraredsaunafivedaysaweek.AndthenItookaboatloadofsupplementsthatwerereallygearedtowardsmusclegeneration,stemcellregeneration,andIalsodidatestosteroneandahumangrowthshot.Soit'salot.Itwasprettycrazyandexperimental,butlike,withintwoweeks,peopleweretripping.Iwasalreadydoingsquatjumps.Itdidn'teven


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makesensetome.I'mlike,"Idon'tunderstand,likethemuscle'snotattached,right?"Andhesaid,"Yeah,butthestemcellsare...they'reformingwhatappearstoorthebodybelievesisthatmuscletissueandyou'reretrainingthosecellsasopposedimmobilizing,whichiswhatyou'dbedoingifyou'rerecuperatingfromasurgery."Itwaslikecrazy.Itwasthefunniest,coolestthing.

Katie:Wow,thatistrulyincredible.AndfromwhatI'veread,youactuallyusedsimilarapproachforsomethingwithabraininjury.Isthatright?

Chalene:Yeah,whichisprobablywhyIwasprettyopentotheidea.Itdidn'tseemradicaltome.Ihadabrainscanin2015thatwhatIthoughtwaslikejustnormalbrainfog,stuffyou'relike,"Well,I'mjustgettingolder.I'vegotkidsandmybrainisgone."ButIhadapretty,Iguessyouwouldconsideradvancedbraindegeneration.Ihadsometraumasfrompreviousconcussions.Youcouldseethattraumainmyhead.YoucouldseetheareaswhereIwasnotgettinganybloodflow.IdidaSPECTscanattheAmenClinic.He'sadoctorwho'slikemostfamousformakingtheradicalchangestothehelmetsintheNFL.AndwhenIsawthatscan,Iwasdevastated.Thequestionstheyaskedme,Iwasalmostoffended,likeIalmostwanteddothatlike,"DoyouknowwhoIam?"They'relike,"Areyouanintravenousdrugusercurrentlyorinthepast?"I'mlike,"No".They'relike,"Haveyoujustrecentlyfinishedaprettysevereboutofchemotherapy?"I'mlike,"No."Andtheyare,"Well,thetoxicityinyourbrainandthe..."justtheappearanceofmybrainandthelackofbloodflowwasindicativeofsomeonewhosebrainwaslike20yearsolder.AndsotheimplicationswhenIwasmeetingwiththeirteamwaskindoflike,"Youmusthaveavery,veryunhealthylifestyle.Ifyoudon'thavetheseotherthingsgoingon,there'snothingelsethatwouldcausethisotherthanyourlifestyle."

AndIguessapartofmerealizedinthatmoment,thisisprobablytrue.Like,I'mahealthprofessionalwhohasnotbeenveryhealthyinatruesense.AndsoIfollowedtheprotocolthattheyprescribedandcompletely,radicallychangedmylifestyle,myapproachtohealth,whichispartofthecatalystforcreatingthe131Method.AndthenIwentbackandscannedagain.Ididafollowupscanatexactlythetwoyearmark.AndKatie,Ireally...I'vesaidthisbefore,andit'sjustbeinghonest.Idon'tknowifIwouldhavebeenasmotivatedorasstrongofabelieverifIhadn'tseenthescantwoyearslatertoseelike,howremarkablydifferentmybrainwaslikebecauseit'syourbrain,like,youdon'tfeelthatdifferent.Idon'tlookthatdifferent.Andit'ssogradualforsomanyofuswhenwe'remakingthesehealthchoices,youhavetomakecertainsacrificesandsometimesyouhavetogiveupthingsanddothingsthatarehardthatyoudon'tfeellikedoing.Andyouwondersometimeslikeisthisworthitbecauseit'shardtomeasurehealthinareallyspecificmeasurablewaydaytoday.Buteventually,thatscan,it'snotcompletelyhealed,butlikemybrain,nightandday,they'rejustnotevensameasDr.Amen,youknow,says,"Youagedinreverse."Andthatwasenoughformetogolike,"Oh,thisstuffislikelegit,likethebodywantstohealitself,"whichmademeveryexcited.AndIthinkmyattitudeabouthealingmyhamstringreallyhelpedtheprocess.

Katie:Ithinkthat'ssotrue.Andwhatyoujustsaid,Ithinkissuchakeythatisoftenignored,whichisthebodywantstohealitself.It'snotthatallofthesetreatmentsareinofthemselvessilverbullets.Ifeelliketheyeithersupportthebodyinthatnaturalprocessorremoveobstacles.ButIthinklikethat'ssoimportanttorememberthatthebodywantstomovetowardgoodhealthandtowardhealing.Andthat'sthedefault.


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Chalene:Itdoes.Andweinterferewithitsomuch.Anddon'tgetmewrong.I'mnotatalltryingtosuggestthatweshouldn'ttakeadvantageofmedicaladvancesthatsaveliveseverysingleday.ButIthinkthat'sourfirstoptionislike,"Okay.WhatpillcanItake?AndwhatoperationcanIhave?"Asopposedtowhatdoesthebodywannado?Andwhyareweinterferingwiththat?Like,thebodywantstoheal.

Katie:Exactly.Soyou'vementioned"The131Method"acoupleoftimes.Canyouexplainmorewhatthatisandhowitworks?

Chalene:Sure.Soitwaspartofmyjourney,ifyouwill,thismajorhealthscare.Idon'twannasayhealthscarebecauseitwasn'tlikeitwaslifeordeath,butIwaslookingatwhattherestofmylifewasgonnalooklikebylookingatmybrainknowingthatIhadthegeneticmarkersforAlzheimer's,thencoupledwiththemistakesIwasmakinginwhatIthoughtwasahealthylifestyle.AtthetimethatIhadthatbrainscan,andIhadanumberonefitnessinfomercial,IwasintheGuinnessBookofWorldRecordsforhavingdonethemostexerciseworkouts.Peoplegivenmetheirtrustandtheylookedtomefordietandlifestylethingsthatwouldmakethemhealthier.AndwhatIwasdoingwasreallybasedonwhateveryoneelsewasdoing,whateveryoneelseissaying.AndIacceptedthingsasfactwithoutevergoing,"Iwonderifthat'ssubstantiatedbyastudyorarewejustsayingthis,like,andwhat'sthesciencebehindit?"

SoitwasneverthatIintendedtomisleadanyone.ItwasneverthatIknowinglywaslivinganunhealthylifestyle.Ijust,inthatratracethatwecangetsoeasilycaughtupinandthatweneedtoexerciseharderandlongerandwithgreaterintensityandnotrecognizing,like,ourbodiesweren'tmeanttoexerciseforfourhoursadayandsurviveonfivehoursofsleepandaninsaneamountofstress.Andjusttheamountofstressthatlikeourphonesandnotificationsandsocialmediademandsandallofthesethings,like,wedon'trealize,like,wewerenotbuiltforthat.Ourbodieshavenotevolvedtohandlethatkindofstress.Soyou'reinthisconstantstateofstressandoxidativestressandthetollthatthattakesonyourbody,andthentocouplethatwitheatingfoodsthatarejustfake.

Iwouldtellpeople,andIbelievedit.Itwasn'tlikeIwaslying.IbelievedIwould,peoplewouldsay,"What'syourdiet?"AndI'dsay,"Oh,it'sjustaverycleandiet.Ieatveryclean."Idefinedcleanthenas,aslowcalorieandaslowfataspossible,nocheats,notreats,nofriedfood,butcertainlysugarfreejello,whichisallfake,isfine.AndDietCokeisallfine.Like,that'scleaninmymind.AndasIcontinuedtoexercisemore,Ifoundthatmymetabolismwaslessandlesscooperative.Like,Iwasalmostlikeridingabikeandsomeoneeverydayisslowlytighteningthebackbreakandyoudon'trealizeit.SothenmyworkoutshadtobelongerjusttobeabletomaintainthesameweightthatIwasat.Beingoncamera,there'ssomuchpressureandtheseweirdconversationsthatarejusthorrible,andsomedayI'llwriteabookaboutthem.Butit'sjustsofreakingunhealthy.Like,"Gosh,ifwecouldjustgetyoudownalittlebitmoreinyourbodyfat,Oh,Chalene,itwouldbesoinspirational."You'relike,"Shit,I'mnoteveneatinganythingrightnow.I'mexercisingfourhoursaday.Howamgonnadothat?"AndIwouldjustkeeptrying,like,"Okay,okay,okay,itmustbesome...It'smygenetics.I'llcutbackmore."AndthemoreIdidthatwaslikethisviciouscyclewhereIwasdevelopinga


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slowermetabolism.AnditwasjustmybodytryingtoaccommodatewhateveritwasIwasdoing.Ourbodieswannabeinhomeostasis.

AndthroughthatprocessofeatingallthosefakefoodsandthestressthatIwasunder,Istartedhavingthebrainissues,andthebrainandthegutconnection.AsIstartedtohealmybrain,IrealizedifI'mgonnahealmybrain,Ihavetostartwithmygut.Andthat'swhenIdiscovered,holycow,Ididn'tknowwhatleakygutwas.AndI'vebeensufferingfromitforyears.IhadnoclueandIwasvitamindeficientinalmosteveryessentialvitaminsandminerals.AndIjusthadtostartoverandgolike,"Okay.Let's...IguessIknownothingreallyabouthealth.Let'sstartoverandbecomeastudent."AndIbasicallyjustwentcrazydeeppassionateintothescienceandthestudyandmeetingwithexperts,andnotwithpeoplewhoaretryingtosell,booksorlikesellyousomething.Ijustreallywantedtoknowkindofatfirstjustforme.Andthenaswithmostthings,I'mlike,"Ihavetorightthiswrong."Imean,alotofpeopleneedtoknowaboutthis.Anditdoesn'thavetobesohard.Andthereisawaytoliveahealthier,happierlifeandhavefreedomfromfood.Andactually,weneedtoredefinehealthoutsideoftheseridiculouslyphotoshoppedimagesthatweseeonInstagramthatmakeusfeelhorrible.

Katie:Yeah.Oh,absolutely.Ithinkthat'ssokeybecausewe...onsocialmedia,especially,weonlyseeeveryone'sbestside.Butwhenyouseethatalldaylong,youassumethat'swhateveryoneactuallyislike.Andaswomen,especially,Ifeellikeyouputsomuchpressureonyourselftoliveuptoallofthosestandards.AndIhearsomuchechoesofmyownstoryandyourstoryaswellofjustpushingmyselfsohardincollegeandverylittlesleepandjusteatingwhatwasavailable,terriblefoodandatonofstress.Anditturnsoutthat'sactuallytheperfectwaytocreateanautoimmunedisease.AndthatwasmystoryandhowIgotintohealth.AndIfeellikeyoukindofhadthatsamething.Eventhoughyouwereinsomewayswhatpeoplewouldthinkofasthepictureofhealthbecauseyouwereinthefitnessworldalreadyandyouaredoingsomuch.SoIthinkthattakesatremendousamountofcouragetoadmitthatevenwhenyoulookedlikewhatmanypeoplewouldthinkwouldbeInstagramperfect,youstilldidn'thaveitallfiguredout.Andyoutookthatsteptoreallylook.

Chalene:Absolutely.ItwasprobablytheleasthealthyI'veeverbeenand,butyetstillbeingpraisedforit.Byanymeanspossible,that'skindofhowthefitnessindustry...Idon'tknowifyou'veevertalkedtopeoplewhoevendofitnesscompetitions.ButIcan'tthinkofanythinglesshealthythananindividual,andthereareexceptions,butfortheoverwhelmingmajorityofpeoplewhoareinthatstate,thatstateofmind,Imean,it'slegalizedeatingdisordersforthemostpart.Imean,it'sjustsounhealthy.It'snothingtodowithhealth.Bodyfatisonemoniker,onetinymeasure,butIthinkwhatworriesmethemostaboutwhatweseeinsocialmediaisthatweassumethatpersonishealthymentallyandphysically.Andtheymightnotbe.Theonlythingyouknowistheylookleaninthatphotoortheylookmuscular,whateveritis,butwereallydon'tknowmuchaboutwhat'sgoingonwiththeirhealth.Andsothat'swhatreallybecamethecatalystformecreating.Soittookmemorethantwoyearstofigureoutthesystemformyselfandwhatisthepaththatyouwouldwanttofollowandhowdopeoplesolvetheirownhealthproblemsandintheprocess,balancetheirhormonesandhealtheirgut.HowdoIdothatinsuchawaythatit's...itdoesn'tfeellikeyou'rebeingpunished?I'vealotoffriendswhohavedoneplentyofeliminationdiets,allthepopularones,whichIwon'tname.Butyouknowtheoneslike,thosearephenomenal.They'resogreatandthey'resohelpfulandsouseful.Butthey'resounrealistic,like,mostofthembecauseyou'retellingpeopletoeliminateeverything,insteadofgivingthemthe


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understandingofwhyandhowtoevaluatewhathappensifIdon'teliminatethis.Andthey'resorestrictive.Andthenwhat?Andthendoyoulivetherestofyourlifethatway?Like,what'stheplan?

AndsoIwantedtodevelopaprogramthatteachespeoplehowtogethealthyfromtheinsideout,balancetheirhormones,healtheirguthealth,andintheprocess,findfreedomfromtheseridiculousdietsandfoodrules,andunderstandit'slikethescienceofone,andthat'sreallywhatthe131Methodis.It'sthreeindividualdietaryphaseswherewemakesuggestions,butwedelivertheinformationandtheminimumamountofscienceyouneedtobeabletogo,"Okay.Basedonthis,IunderstandhowI'mgonnamakethisworkforme."Sotherearen'thardandfastrules.Therearen't,"Youmustdothisonthisday."Andeveryone'sfollowingthisspecificnumberofwhateveritis.It'sreallylikeyou'regoingthroughthatprocessofhealingyourselffromtheinsideout,butthediscoveryissopersonal.Andtheresultshavebeenastonishing,notjustphysically,butlikeforme,thepartthatgetsmereallyexcitedarethemomswhoarelike,"Oh,thisisgonnasavethelegacy.MydaughterisnotgonnahavetodealwithwhatIwatched.Thisisgonnachangethehealthofmyfamily."

Katie:Ilovethat.AndIabsolutelyshareyourpassionforthat.Thatwaspartofmyownstoryaswellwashavinggonethroughautoimmunediseaseandseeingjusthowdifficultitis.Ididn'twantthatlegacyformykids.AndIthinkanotheraspectoflifethatyou,atleastfromInstagram,seemtohavefiguredoutreallywell,ifyoudon'tmindgettingalittlepersonalandsharing,istherelationshipside.AndIthinkhonestly,thatisoneofthemostimportantpillarsofahealthylifeinanyaspect.AndIknowthatyouandyourhusbandhadbeenmarriedforover20years.Andatleastfromoutsideappearances,seemtobestilllikeverycloseandhaveanincrediblerelationship.Soifyoudon'tmindsharingalittlebitofpersonalsideofwhataresomeofthewaysthatyouguyshavefoundtokeepthatrelationshipstronginthemidstofbusinessesandkidsandeverythingelse?

Chalene:Yeah.Thankyouforasking.No,itis.It'sprioritizingit.Bottomline,it'sprioritizingit.It'sdecidingwhatyouwanttheoutcometobe.Ithinktoomanypeoplejustdecideandalotoftimesbecauseofwhattheywererolemodeledthatthisisanawfulmarriage.Andassoonasyoudecideit'sanawfulmarriage,itis.Andassoonasyoudecideparentingishorrible,itis.Andassoonasyoudecideyou'regonnafailyourdiet,youwill,likeyourattitude.Itstartstherefirst.AndsoBretandIbothhavehadthemindsetlikeweareinthisforittobebettereveryday.Andthatmeansdoingmarriagecounselingonaregularbasis.Thatmeanslearningtocommunicate.Thatmeansreadingbooksandlisteningtopodcasts.Like,wespendalotoftimeandhave.Andthemoretimewespendonit,thebetterourrelationshipgets.Imean,ourrelationshiptodaylooksnothinglike,Ialwayssay,thisisourmarriage2.0,whatitwaslikewhenwefirstgotmarried.Itwasn'tlikethat.Andpeoplearelike,"Oh,youguysaresolucky."I'mlike,"Thisain'tluck.Howdareyou.Thisain'tluck."Thisishardfreakingwork.Anditpaysoff.Theharderitis,thegreaterthepayoff.Andweworkreallyhardatit.Andwe'vebeenthroughsomehorriblehardtimesinourlives.Butitalwaysmakesusbetter.Andwebelieve,asIknowyoudo,thatournumberoneresponsibilityistorolemodelahealthylovingrelationshiptoourchildrensothatthat'swhatthey'relookingforandthatisourresponsibility.Sowetakeourmarriage,perhapsevenmoreimportantlyintheschemeofthingsinourparentingbecausewethinkthat'slikesteponeofparenting,istorolemodelthat.Andfrankly,Iknowthattherearegonnabepeoplewhowillbelike,"Well,whatareyoutryingtosay?I'mdivorced."Listen,I'vegotbestfriendswho...itjust,theyweren'tgoodforeachother.Iunderstandthat.Butifyoucanjustearlyonrecognizeit'sgonnabeastruggleandtodoyourbesttoprioritizetheeffortsyoumakeonhavingastrongerrelationshipwithyourspouse,it'sjustyoucommunicatebetterand,


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youknow,there'sjustagreaterlikelihoodthatthatmarriageisgoingtostaytogetherandbehealthyandhappyandfulfilling.

Katie:Yeah,absolutely.That'sbeenacorevalueforusaswellisrealizing,well,obviously,weadoreourchildren.Welovethemandthey'rethemostimportantprojectwe'reevergonnahave.Thatstill,ourfamilycentersonthemarriageandwehavetokeepthatstronginordertobeabletoraisehealthyhappykidsortobeabletodoanythingelseinlife.Atleastforus,that'shastobeacenterfocus.Andyouhavetwochildren,Ibelieve,aswellandthey'reolderthanmy,Idon'thaveanyteenagersyet,butIthinkyoursareolder.Doyouhaveanyparentingpearlsofwisdomthatyoucansharehavingmadeitthroughatleastsomeoftheteenageyears?

Chalene:Yeah.Iwouldsayyouwannaletthemfail.Iknowyoubelieveinthatmentalityaswell.Yougottaletthemtakeonrisks.Yougottaletthemknowwhattheconsequenceswillbeandtalkthemthroughit.Butyoualsohavetoletthemfail.Andyouhaveto,alsooncetheyfail,youcan'tfixitforthem.Youhavetotalkthroughpossibilitiesandsolutions,buttheyhave...Themoreachild,evenayoungchildcanrealizethattheycandoit,thentheydon'tneedthefakerecognitionandthetrophyaftereverysoccertournament.Theybegintohaveevidenceandconfidencethatissomuchmorepowerfulthanagoldstarthateverybodygets.Theyreallytendtobelieveinthemselves.Theythinkofthemselvesasleaders.Theythinkofthemselvesasproblemsolvers.Theyhaveconfidenceintheirownopinionandabilitiesbecauseyou'veallowedthemtofailandfixit.Andthat'ssomethingBretandIjustreallystronglybelievein.Wealsoputourkidsintherapyataveryyoungage.Sotheywoulddothateveryonceinawhilejustsoitwasn'tashockifevertheywentthroughsomething,whichtheywillandhave,traumatic,thatthey'recomfortablewiththeideathatwegotothedentistbecausewecareaboutyourteeth.Andwegotothetherapistbecausewecareaboutyourmentalhealth.It'scrazytomethatjustlikethemostimportantthingisyourmentalwellness.Butwejustdon'tprioritizeitthewaythatweshould.Sowedidthatfromayoungagewithourchildrenandwealsojusttreatedthemwithgreatrespect,neveranynamecalling.There'sjustsomanythingsIthinkthathavehelpedourchildrentoturnoutwell.Butmostofall,itisconfidenceandkindnessandself-sufficiencythatthey'velearnedthroughtheirownexperiences.

Katie:Yeah,absolutely.Ilovethat.Now,you'remyBFFbecauseyousaidthataboutlettingkidsfail.Ithinkthat'ssoimportant.Andofcourse,weallwishthatwecouldprotectourkidsfromanypainorfailure,buttrulylikeinthelongtermatleastasadultsifwethinkback,atleastforme,Icansayveryhonestly,thatsomeofmybiggestfailuresbecamelateronthebuildingblockstotremendoussuccess.ButhadInothadthoselessonsofthefailures,Iwouldnothavehadtheskillsforthoselateropportunities.AndsoIthinkthat'ssuchanimportantkeypointthatyoujustsaid.Ijustwantedtoreiteratethat.Ithinkit'ssohardtowatchattimes,it'shard.It'shardtoletourkidsfailandnotrescuethem,butalsoitpaysoffsomuchwhenweseehowcapabletheyareandthelessonstheylearn.SoIapplaudyouforhavingthecouragetosaythatbecauseitcertainlyisnoteasytoletyourchildrenfail.

Chalene:Ithinkthattoooftenparentsareworriedabouthowwhattheirchildisdoingisgonnareflectonthem.Andthesooneryoucanletgoofthat.AndwhenIsaythat,Ialsomeanlike,youcan'talsomakethemintowhatitisyouwantthemtobe.Myhusband'sfamily'sincrediblyathletic.Theyall,like,playprofessional


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sports,andthey'realllikesuperstarsandinsane.Andmyfamily'snotlikethat.Butthey'resupercompetitive.Andtheyjust,youknow,theyallplayedDivisionOnefootball,andmostofthemwentontoplayprofessionalsports.AndsoIthinkourkidshadthiskindofbuiltin.Evenifwedidn'tsayitwaskindofthis,theideaisthatyou'regonnaplaysports,andyoubetterbeaphenom.Wetriedashardaswecould.Imean,youcanonlydoyourbestasaparent.SomuchofthisIthinkisDNAtoo,butwetriedsohardnottoevermakethemfeelthat.Butmydaughter,she'sagreat,giftedathlete.Anythingshedid,shewasreallygoodatit.Andthenshequit.

Andeventually,shefoundherthingwhichwastrack.Andsheranitthroughhighschoolandbecamean800runner,wasrankedintheState,wasjustphenomenal.Butthatstartedtobecomeheridentity.Isensedthatitwasgettingunhealthy.Like,shewasbecomingsoregimentedlike,"Ineedtoeatbythistime.IfIdon'teatbythistime,Iwon'thaveenoughtimefortodigestandI'vegottagetin..."Like,justalmostIcouldhearthesenseofpanicasshewasgettingolderinhighschool.AndsheeventuallygotascholarshipofferfromaDivisionOneschool,whichisinsane,likeagirltogetofferedtorunD-onetrackisinsane.Butshewasn'thappyaboutit.Icouldtell.Andshewantedabetter,anofferfromabetterschool.AndI'mlike,"Why?Whyisthatimportanttoyou?"BecauseIcouldtellitreallystressedherout.Andshesaid,"Becauseit'sjustIdon'tthink...Ijustdon'tthinkit'simportantenough.Ijustdon'tthinkpeopleseemthatimpressedwhenItellthem."AndIsaid,"Ithinkthat'sthewrongreasontoquit.Whocareswhatanybodyelsethinks?"

Andthenhersenioryear,shestartedhavinglikeanxietyattacksattrack,andpanicattacks.AndIdroveherhomefrompracticeoneday,andshewaskindofhyperventilatingandIwasexplainingtoherwhatshewasexperiencingandtryingtogettowhattriggeredthosefeelings.Andshejustislike,"Ihateitsomuch.Ihatetracksomuch.Idon'twannadothis.Ihateit."AndIsaid,"Well,whyareyoudoingit?"Andshesaid,"Idon'tknowwhatelseIam.I'mlike,whoelseamI?It'swhateverybodyknowsmefor.Everybodyasksmeabouttrack.It'swhatI'mknownfor."Isaid,"Butwhocares?Ifyoudon'tloveit,whyareyoudoingit?"SoIsaid,"You'regonnagotalktoatherapistandsoyoudon'tfeelanytypeofinfluencefromyourfamily.Iwantyoujustfigurethisoutandjusttalktothird..."Becausemaybethisisjustabaddayorabadweekormaybethere'ssomethingelsegoingon.Ididn'tknow.

Butshecamehomefromherfirsttherapysessionlikeadifferentchild,likeshelookedsohappyandrelievedandshesaid"Ah,I'mquittingtrack.AndI'mneverevergonnarunagain.Ihateit."AndIcouldjusttellthatshewassohappy.Ijustgaveherabighug.AndI'mlike,"I'mproudofyou.I'msoproudofyou.I'msoproudofthefactthatyou'regonnacostusallthismoneynowbecauseyou'returningdownscholarship."No,I'mjustkidding.ButIreallywassoproudofherthatshehadthecourageatsuchayoungagetorecognizethatshewaschasingsomethingtoimpresssomeoneotherthanherself,likeshedidn'tneedtoproveittoherself.Shewastryingtoproveittootherpeopleandshedecidedtogotoartschoolinsteadandshe'ssohappy.Yougottaletyourkidsbewhotheyweremeanttobe.

Katie:Wow,thatisanincrediblestory.AndI'msogladshefoundwhatsheloves.AndIcanonlyimaginethepressureofbeinganathleteatthatlevel.That'samazingthatshestoodupsoyoungandrecognizedthat,becauseI'msurelikemanyofusevenasadultshavegonethroughperiodsofourlifewherewedidthingsbecausewehadto,whetherfinanciallyorbecauseofexpectationsfromothersortoliveuptothe


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expectationsofourparents.Evenasanadult,Iknowhowharditistoshakethefeelingofthat,ofjustwantingtoliveuptotheirexpectations.Sogoodforherforrecognizingthat.

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Chalene:AndalsoIthinklikeasyousaidKatie,asadultsevensometimeswe'llhangontoagoaloraprojectfarpastitsexpirationdatebecausewe'relike,"ButIcan'tgiveitupnowbecauseI'veinvestedXnumberofyearsorXamountoftimeorthere'sthesepeople."Welumpontopofourselvesallthesethingswe'relike,"Well,Idon'tdeservetogivethisupeventhoughIhateitbecause,fillintheblank."Butthetruthisyoucan.

Katie:Yeah,absolutely.Andsomewhatinthesamevein,IwouldlovetogetyourtakeonthisbecauseIfeellikeinthepastseveralgenerations,therehavebeensomanyadvancesthathavebeenfavorabletowomenandusbeinginbusinessmuchmoreandjustthroughallaspectsofculture.ButtheonedownsideIseemtonoticealot,especiallyinmyreadersandlistenersisjustaswe'vegottenalloftheseotherthingsthatwecan


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addtoourplate,whicharewonderful,nothingevergottakenoffofourplate.AndIseesomanywomenwhoarejuggling,managingthehousehold,managingthekids,andalltheiractivitiesandalsobusinessoranythingtheyhavetodojusttokeepupwiththefinancialaspectsofdaytodaylife.AndIhearfromsomanywomenwhoarecompletelyoverwhelmed.Andit'ssomethingIfinallyhavecrackedthecodeoninmyownlifeandsomethingI'vestartedtosharemoreaboutinhopesofallowingotherwomentomovepastthatstressandthatemotional...justtheemotionalstressofhavingallofthatonyourmind.ButIknowthatyouhaveranmultiplebusinesseswhilebeingaparentandaspouse.SoI'dloveanytipsyoucouldshareonjustwhetheritbesystemsinlifeorproductivity,thingsthatcouldhelptakeawaythatstress.

Chalene:Yeah.Thankyouforasking.Ithink,Icouldn'tagreewithyoumorethatthat'sverytrue.We'veaddedmoreandmorethingstoourplatewithouttakingthingsoff.Forme,personally,itboilsdowntoknowingwhatismyoverridingpriorityandthenalsowhatismykeypriority,orwhatIliketothinkofiskindoflikeatemporarypriorityinthisseason.Sothatcanvarybasedonanylifechangethatyou'vehad.Maybeyou'verecentlygonethroughadivorceoryou'vehadtofileforbankruptcy.Ifyourecentlyfiledforbankruptcy,thenyourkeypriorityinthisseasonforyourlifeisrebuildingyourfinancialhealth,eventhoughyourfamilymightbeyou'reoverridingpriority.SoIthinkit'simportanttoknow,"OkayWhat'smostimportantandthenwhatareaorkeyarearightnowdoIneedtoworkontosupportthatoverridingpriorityandgivethatmyfocus."Iworkinseasons.BretandIbothworkinseasons.Wehaveourguidingprinciplesinwriting.Wecallitapriorityclaritystatement.Andit'sliterallyinwritingbecauseyouregocanconvinceyou,likealittledevilononeshoulderandanangelontheother,canconvinceyoulike,"Well,Iknowthere'sgonnabeagreatsacrifice.Butwe'renevergonnagetthisopportunityagainorthisisn't...thisisaonceinalifetimeorwhatifwejustgohardcoreforsixmonthsthenwe'llmakeXamountofdollarsandthenwe'llbeabletorelax."SobecauseIhaveatendencytobeaworkaholic,Ineedthoseprinciples.Thatiswhatallowsmetomakedifficultdecisionsfareasier.Iworkinseasons,sothatIknowlikewhatismyfocusrightnowwiththeoverridingtheorythatithastoberelatedtofamily.AndthenIlookatwhatevermykeypriorityisforthatseason.AndItrytocreategoalsthathonorthosethings,notinanywaythatcouldinanywaytakeawayordeterfromthem.Itdoesmeanthatwe'veturneddowncountlessopportunities.Itdoesmeanthatourgrowthhasbeensmaller.ButIcouldn't...

Imean,juststandmenexttoanyotherparent,andI'msoproudtosaylikethere'sgonnabepeopleouttherewho'vegotbiggerbankaccountsandnicercarsandgreaternotoriety,butyoudon'thavebetterkids.Ipromise,youdon'thavebetterkids.Andthatmakesmereallyproud,likethatwasmygoal.They'reoutofthehousenowsoIcansaythat.IwasnervouswhentheywerestillinhousebecauseI'mlike,"They'regonnascrewup.AndassoonasIsaythat,oneofthem'sgonnaendupintrouble,"youknow,whateveritis.ButIreallybelievethatthosearetherightsacrificesforus.AndIknownoteveryone...I'vecertainlydon'tmeantosuggestthatthere'sarightwayorthewrongway.Butthatweknewwhatwasrightforus,andwehadtolivebyit.Andthatwashardbecauseyouregoandyourdesiretowannakeepupwitheverybodyelsecantrickyouintodoingthingssometimeswhereyousacrificethoseareaswhichshould,thatyou'vesaidareyourkeypriorityoryouroverridingpriority.

Katie:Yeah,absolutely.IthinkthatwassomethingInoticedsomuchinmyownlife,becauseaswomen,societytellsusweshouldjustbeabletodoitallandmanageitallandstilllikelookperfectandhaveamealonthetableeverynight.Andthetruthis,nobodycanactuallydothateverysingleday.Youdohavetohave


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priorities.Andforme,ittook...literally,Idon'ttalkaboutthismuchyet,andIwannawriteaboutitmore,butalmostgettingtothepointofanervousbreakdownorpanicattackbecauseIwastryingtodoeverythingallthetimeperfectlyandrealizedIcan't.Thisisnotatallsustainable.AndItookastepbackandrealizedwhenitcomestobusinessandmanagingthat,likemymissioninthatissoimportanttome,andIruneverythingwithsystemsandtheyworkandI'mnotstressedaboutthat,thebusinessrunsitself.Andagain,IfeellikeI'mjugglingplateswhenitcomestomypersonallife.AndthenIrealized,"Well,inbusiness,IhavesystemsandgoalsandobjectivesandthingswrittendownthatI'mfocusedon."Andinmypersonallife,Iwastryingtomanageitallinmyheadandjustkeeptrackofeverything.AndwhenIstartedthinkingofmypersonallifelikeabusinessandjustmadesystems,goals,priorities,andmeasurables,ittotallyrevolutionizedmylifebecauseIthinkthat,likeyousaid,thatfocusonpriorityandhavingacleardestination,itallowsyoutosaynotothethingsthatdon'tlineupwiththat.

Chalene:Yeah.Yeah.Wedidthattooandsometimesit'sveryprivatebecauseIdon'tknowthatpeoplereallyunderstandthemotivationbehindsomeofourpersonalpolicies,likesimplethings,like,Ican'tdoitall,andalotofthathastodowithtime.Like,that'swhatmakesusfeelsostressed,isthere'snoneoftimetodoallthesethings.Ofcourse,youcouldenjoyspendingtimewithfriends,andyoucanenjoygoingtoababyshower,andyoucanenjoydoingalotofthesethings.Buttheytaketimeawayfromyourownpriorities.Andsoweearlyon,BretandIestablishedpersonalandfamilypoliciesthatwedidn'talwaysmakepublic,butweknewthattheywereguidingourdecisions.Anditmadethingslikereallyclearforus,like,forexample,Idon'tgotobabyshowersorweddingsorthesefourhoureventsthatIwouldloveto.Iwannausethosefourhourstolikefeellikemyfamily'stakencareof.Andofcourse,Imean,likethere'sexceptions,likeifit'sabestfriend.Butotherwise,I'mgonnasendalovelygift.Andwedon'tgotoparties.

Andhere'sonethatalotofpeoplemaynotunderstand,butI'lljusttellyou.IdoeverythingIcannottomakenewfriendsbecauseI'moneofthosepeoplethatIcollectpeople.AndifIstarttalkingtoolongtothekidwho'sloadingupmygroceriesatthegrocerystore,I'mgonnafigureoutlikewhathe'sstrugglingwithandI'mgonnatakeonhisproblemsandthenextthingyouknowI'musingmyenergy,myresources,mymoney,myemotiontohelphimwherethatshouldbegiventomyfamily.I'vegotahugecircleoffriends.Itdoesn'tneedtogetbigger.Itneedstogetdeeper.Idon'tneedtostepupandnetworkwithpeoplewhocanliftmycareerorintroducemetosomeonespecial.Ineedtospendtimewiththepeopleinmylifewhoarealreadythereforareason.Godputtheminmylifeforareason.Ijustdon'tfeelrightabout,especiallyknowingmyownpersonality,thatI'mgonnabesuckedintothosekindsofindividuals,andthere'ssomuchIcandotodeepenmyrelationshipwithmyexistingfriendsandmyexistingfamily.AndIdon'tneedtospendenoughtimewithmyfamily.SoIneedtonotputmyselfinsituationswhereI'mgonnaspreadmyselfevenfurther.Andthat'sjustapersonaldecisionforme.

Katie:Yeah.Ilovethat.That'sdefinitelycounterintuitiveIthinkforalotofpeople.Butit'smakingthosehardchoicesthatreallymake,Ifeel,likethebiggestimpactonyourlife.Likeyousaid,they'regonnabedifferentforeverybody.Thatmaynotbeeverybody'ssolution,butit'simportanttostepbackandactuallyevaluatethingsobjectivelylikethat.AndIcannotbelievewe'vealreadyalmostgonethroughanhourandgottenclosetotheendofourtime.ButIwouldlovetoaskacouplemorequestionsthatIalwaysaskattheend.Oneofwhich,arethereanybooksthathavebeenespeciallylifechangingforyouoryou'vereadrecentlythatreallyhavemadeadifferenceforyou?


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Chalene:Well,I'llbehonestandtellyouthatI'manaudiblelistenersoIreallylove,that'showIstartmymorningeachday.IneedthattimewhereI'mnotonsocial,myphone'sonairplanemode,andIselectwhateveritisI'mgonnalistentothenightbefore.SoIusuallypicksomethingonAudible.Ifindmyselflisteningtosomeofthesamebooksoverandoverandoveragain,anythingbyJohnMaxwell.AnythingandeverythingbyJohnMaxwell,Ilistenonrepeat.AlsoBrianTracy.Thegreatestimpactonmylifewasmadebyabookthat'saveryfastreadcalled"EatThatFrog."Andit'sjustreallykindofhelpedmetounderstandataplaceinmylifewhereIreallydidn'tunderstandhowtoprioritizethings.Ididn'tunderstandhowtogettherightthingsdoneintherightorder.Iknewhowtobebusy,that'sforsure.Iknewhowtobeproductive,butIdidn'thowtohavethetypeofproductivitythatmovedmeforwardandmademefeellike,"Okay,IdidwhatIwassupposedtodotoday."Thatbookhadaprofoundeffectonme.

AndIwouldhavetosaythatwhenitcametoparenting,BretandIreadabookcalled"StrongFathers,StrongDaughters."Thatreallyhelpedourparentingandsodidabookby,IthinkhisnameisSalSevere,andthebookwas"HowtoBehavesoYourChildrenWillToo."AnotherbookIthinkthat'sreallyhelpedourmarriagealotis,shoot,I'mgonnaforgetthenameofit.It'ssomethingaboutemotionalintelligence.I'lltextittoyouwhenwe'redoneincaseyouwannaputintheshownotes.Butunderstandingthedifferencebetweenemotionalintimacyandphysicalintimacyandthedifferenceandwhatatremendousdifferenceitcanmakeinyourconnectiontoyourpartner,andanyonereally,ifyouunderstandthatemotionalconnection,isprettyprofound.

Katie:Wow,Iloveallofthose.Someofthosearenewtome.SoIcan'twaittoreadthem.Iftherewasapieceofadvicethatyoucouldspreadfarandwideandgivetoeveryone,whatwoulditbeandwhy?

Chalene:Itwouldbetoshowyourselfgrace,tobekinderandtorecognizethatjustthesmallestbitofforwardprogressishuge.Infact,ifyousprint,you'llprobablyrunoutofbreathandrunoutofsteamandbeleftwithyour...bentoverwithyourhandsonyourthighs,breathinghard.Justmakeslowsteadyprogress.Thatwouldbenumberone.Numbertwo,Ihavetogiveyouabunchofthem.UnfolloweveryoneonInstagramandFacebookwhowhenyoulookattheirstuff,youjustdon'tfeelasgoodaboutyourlife.Justunfollowthemandstoptellingyourselfthatthey'reinspirationalor,youknow,forwhateverreasonyou'relookingatit,ifitjustinthebackofyourmindyouadmitthatitgivesyouthislittletwingeoflike,"I'mnotenough,"unfollowthem.You'vegottaprotectyourmindsetandwhatyou'refeedingyourbrainhassomuchtodowiththat.Don'topenupsocialmediafirstthinginthemorning.Don'topenuptheExplorepage.GointoyourDMsandactuallytalktopeople.Listenbutdon'tspendsomuchtimelookingandobserving.Ithinksocialmediais...it'sawonderfulthing,it'sanamazingthing,like,youknow,podcastisalsoconsideredsocialmedia,butIthinkthere'sahealthywaytouseitandaverydestructive,devastatingwaytousesocialmedia.Soprotectwhatitisyou'refeedingyourbrainbylisteningtopodcastslikeyours,Katie,thatjust...theyupliftyouandtheygiveyougreatideasandtheyinspireyoutobeabetterperson.Butjustprogresslike1%perweek.Ifyou'rejustlike1%bettereveryweek,thinkaboutit.Like,intwoyearstime,you'relike100%betterthanyouoncewere.That'sincredible.Andit'snotgonnawipeyououttodoit.Slowandsteadyprogress.


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Katie:Wow.No,Iloveallofthat.Ithinkthatsocialmediathingisespeciallyimportanttoo,becauseit'slargelyreplaced,foralotofus,actualcommunity.Andiftheonlyinteractionthatfeelsthatcommunityisonsocialmediaandit'smakingyoufeelworseaboutyourself,it'sgotanegativeneteffectforyou.AndsoIthinklikeforme,atleastprioritizinginlike,inpersonrelationshipswiththosefewpeoplehasmadeatremendousdifferenceversusfolloweverybodyonsocialmediaandtryingtoliveuptothosestandards.SoIlovethatyoubroughtthatup.

Chalene:Yeah.

Katie:Awesome.AndChalene,ifpeoplewannastayintouchwithyouandkeeplearningfromyou,Iknowthatyouareaprolificreaderofamazingcontent,wherewouldyourecommendthattheyjumpinandstayintouchwithyou?

Chalene:Well,Iwouldloveitiftheysubscribetothe"ChaleneShow"becauseIknowwepodcastlistenershavealotincommon.AndoneofthemainthingsIthinkpodcastlisteners,especiallytopeoplewholistentoashowlikeyours,iswelikegrowth,wegetit,likewewannagrow.Wewannabebetter.Like,there's,peoplearen'tlisteningtoyourshowunlesstheywannabebetter.AndsoIloveconnectingwithpeoplewhoareofthatmindset.Idon'tunderstandthesepeoplewhodon'thaveroomforgrowthordon'tseeit.Thatwouldbemynumberoneask,Ithink,isthatpeoplestopbythe"ChaleneShow"andlookupacoupleofepisodes.AndthenifyouwannahitmeuponInstagram,justsendmeadirectmessageandletmeknowmaybewhatepisodeyouenjoyed.That'dbegreat.I'mChaleneJohnsononInstagramaswell.

Katie:I'llmakesurethosearelinkedtotheshownotesatwellnessmama.fmandI'llevenlinktoacoupleofmyfavoritepodcaststhatyou'vedonesopeoplecanhaveastartingpoint.

Chalene:Oh,thanks.

Katie:Chalene,Iknowyou'resobusyandyouaretrulyaninspiration.Ireallyappreciateyoutakingtimetobeheretodayandtoshareyourwisdominthehealthworldandalsoyourpersonalwisdom,whichIthinkisequallyimportant.Sothankyousomuch.

Chalene:Ithasbeenmypleasure.Ireallyrespectwhatyoudoandyourmindsetandthewayyou'reraisingyourkids.It'sreallyinspirational.Sothanksforsharingitwiththeworld.

Katie:Oh,thankyou.Andthankstoallofyouforlisteningandforsharingwithbothofusyourmostvaluableassetandyourtime.Wedon'ttakethatlightlyandIhopeyouwilljoinmeonthenextepisodeoftheWellnessMamaPodcast.


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