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Edematous Diseases. May 3, 2013. Neil A Kurtzman, MD. Edema. CHF AGN Nephrotic Syndrome Cirrhosis. Irrespective of disease, the cause of edema is always renal salt retention. John Peters – 1948 A normal kidney retains salt in patients with CHF Volume must be contracted. - PowerPoint PPT Presentation

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Page 1: Edematous Diseases

Edematous Diseases

May 3, 2013

Neil A Kurtzman, MD

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Edema

• CHF

• AGN

• Nephrotic Syndrome

• Cirrhosis

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Irrespective of disease, the cause of edema is always renal salt retention

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John Peters – 1948

• A normal kidney retains salt in patients with CHF

• Volume must be contracted

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• The kidney retains salt when volume is contracted

• It excretes salt when volume is expanded

• What is the volume compartment the kidney recognizes?

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Volume Candidates

• Blood volume

• Interstitial volume

• Extracellular volume

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Peters invented a volume compartment

EABV

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Effective Arterial Blood Volume

• A concept not a measurable entity

• Normal EABV is that amount of arterial filling that assures adequate organ perfusion

• Its state is inferred from history, PE, and lab values

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EABV

• Vomiting• Diarrhea• Sweating• Hemorrhage• CHF• Some forms of nephrotic syndrome• Cirrhosis

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EABV

• History• PE – BP• Low urine Na• High uric acid• Increased BUN:Cr

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CHF• CO inadequate

• Circulation underfilled

• EABV decreased

• Kidney retains salt and water

• Edema

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AGN vs CHF

Edema +Pulmonary Edema +Urine Na LowCVP High Heart size IncreasedS3 +EDP High ______________________________________These patients have different diseases

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AGN vs CHF (cont)

AGN CHFBP rises falls Facial edema + -Renin low high Aldosterone low high AVP low high

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AGN vs CHF (cont)

AGN CHFDigitalis - +CO high lowA-V O2 Δ low highA-V pH Δ low high

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Characteristics of Edematous Diseases

Primary Secondary Nephritic CHF Renal Failure Cirrhosis NS NS

ECF vol high highPlasma vol high highBP high low CO high low to high

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Characteristics of Edematous Diseases 2

Primary Secondary

Nephritic CHF Renal Failure Cirrhosis NS NS

GFR low* lowRBF nl* lowerFF low highRenin low highAldo low high

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Characteristics of Edematous Diseases 3 Primary Secondary

Nephritic CHF Renal Failure Cirrhosis NS NS

SNS activity Nl IncreasedADH Low HighFNa Excretion Low Low

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Primary Salt Retention

Salt retention

EABV

BPEdema

Renin Aldo AVP

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Consequences of Primary Salt Retention

• Facial edema

• Normal Na

• Hypertension

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Secondary Salt Retention

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Consequences of Secondary Salt Retention

• Dependent edema

• Hyponatremia

• BP falls

• Hypokalemia

• Metabolic alkalosis

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Nephrotic Syndrome – Low EABV

• Plasma volume may be reduced

• High renin

• Renal underperfusion

• Increased Na excretion after vol expansion or water immersion

• Increased SNS activity

• BP rises after remission

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Nephrotic Syndrome – High EABV

• Plasma vol nl or increased

• Low renin

• No response to vol expansion

• Low FF

• BP falls after remission

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Implications for Diuretic Rx

• Patients with nephritic edema will respond

• CHF – depends on Starling curve

• NS will respond if EABV is high

• Cirrhosis - rarely does any good

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Conclusions

• Edema always results from renal salt retention

• Primary edema – EABV is expanded

• Secondary edema – contracted EABV cause the salt retention

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Secondary Salt Retention

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Characteristics of Edematous Diseases------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Primary Secondary Nephritic CHF Renal Failure Cirrhosis NS NS

ECF vol high highPlasma vol high highBP high low CO high low to high

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Characteristics of Edematous Diseases------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Primary Secondary

Nephritic CHF Renal Failure Cirrhosis NS NS

GFR low* lowRBF nl* lowerFF low highRenin low highAldo low high

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Characteristics of Edematous Diseases------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Primary Secondary

Nephritic CHF Renal Failure Cirrhosis NS NS

SNS activity Nl IncreasedADH Low HighFNa Excretion Low Low