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02 August 2010, 13:18

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Double-din audio head unit install (Pioneer AVIC-F700BT)

These instructions are for a 2005 SAAB 9-5 with the AS3 Prestige audio. Different years and different Saab models may not bethe same so do your own research and make sure you have all information for your particular car. Instructions are a guide,they are not complete step-by-step instructions. Some steps and other information may be missing.

Check this thread for more information about the Saab 9-5 Audio System

These installation instructions should apply to model years 1998 - 2005. Saab changed to new dash layout and audio systemfor the 2006 - 2009 model years.

Most of these instructions are the same for the AVIC-F900BT, AVIC-F90BT and other navigation or other stereos (single ordouble-din). Other units may use extra wires for additional equipment like the Vehicle Speed Sensor wire. The bypass/hack mayalso be different for these units so do your own research.

My thanks to the friendly Saab Central forum members stipud, Mattlach, masteryong and others for their expertise and support.

For more info about the AVIC line, make sure to check out www.avic411.com

It is not difficult to do the installation yourself. It does require some expertise and confidence with tapping into wires,soldering, programming the steering wheel controls adapter, taking some of the dash apart and so on. It is difficult to say howlong it will take for the average installer. It took me quite a few evenings in figuring out how to hook everything up and takingpictures. With all these instructions, you should be able to do this in one day, depending on your skill level and the availabletools and parts.

Did you find these instructions helpful or is some information incorrect or incomplete? Please drop me a line to let me know.

And last but not least... I am not a professional car audio installer. Use this information at your own risk and use commonsense. Some information may be incorrect or incomplete. Good luck!

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02 August 2010, 13:28




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Parts needed

Items used (not supplied with the AVIC-F700BT):

DIN radio removal tools

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Frank Wulfers

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Vehicle wire harness: Metra 70-1784 or similar ($10) and RCA cable with 4 male ends or 4 RCA male connectors ($10)

Or Vehicle wire harness: Metra 70-1786 ($20). This one already has the 4 RCA male connectors

Antenna Adapter: Metra 40-VW12 or similar ($5)

Steering wheel buttons interface: PAC SWI-PS (optional) ($50)

CD-IU230V iPod cable ($50)



Clarion 2DBKT Universal double-DIN mounting kit ($20)

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02 August 2010, 13:33




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Radio removal

Use a couple of DIN removal tools to pull out the existing head unit.

Undo the antenna cable and wiring harness.

Some of the cage tabs need to be bent back to allow the cage to slide out. It can be a bit difficult but it will come outeventually.


02 August 2010, 13:35




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Amplifier pre-outs

The Pioneer AVIC-F700BT and many other units have pre-amp outputs. The wires in the harness for the Saab 9-5 go straightto the amplifier in the car so you need to use these in this setup. Other sound systems and vehicles may have to use thebuilt-in amplifies so you would use the other wires in the head unit harness.

If you have the Metra 70-1784 without the RCA male connectors: Cut the RCA cable in half and solder the ends to the Metrawire harness using the diagram below. It may be a good idea to label the wires so you can easily identify Front and Rear when

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wire harness using the diagram below. It may be a good idea to label the wires so you can easily identify Front and Rear whenyou plug them into the head unit harness.

Back of Metra wire harness where the wires come out (colors may vary when using a different harness).

Power supply (ignition): 2 (we’re not going to use this wire)No connection: 3Ground: 4Remote On control for amplifier: 7Power supply (constant): 8

Front Red RCA pole: 14Front Red RCA shield: 10

Front White RCA pole: 15Front White RCA shield: 11

Rear Red RCA pole: 13Rear Red RCA shield: 9

Rear White RCA pole: 16Rear White RCA shield: 12

The wire harness comes with the 2 extra wires. Take the blue/white wire and place it in position #7. This is the wire for turningon the car amplifier.




02 August 2010, 13:43




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PAC SWI-PS - Steering wheel controls adapter

Cut the orange, yellow, green and blue wires. These are not needed for a Saab 9-5 because we are only using the white wire.

Cut the purple loop wire.

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The white wire needs to be connected to the blue wire going to the SID. With the radio out, push on the back of the SID andit will easily pop out. Undo the connector from the SID so you will have a bit more room to work with.

Use a wire splice connector and connect the white wire to the blue wire.



This is all that is needed according to the instructions supplied with the unit. However... the instructions are incomplete. Whentrying to program the unit for the Saab 9-5, nothing happened and obviously something wasn’t right. I emailed PAC techsupport and they sent me an email back with the following instructions.

Starting with a 1k resistor and working your way up to 1.5k,2k,2.5k etc. until the unit allows you to enter programming.I have seen up to 6k needed in this Saab applicationThe resistor goes from the second purple (next to the black wire) to the white wire (interface wire)

I started with the 1k resistor (brown-black-red) and this was all that was needed to be able to program the PAC SWI-PS.


02 August 2010, 13:47




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Bypass/hack

These units have safety features so you normally will not be able to program the navigation unit or change certain settingswhile the car is moving. The proper procedure is to stop the car and pull the hand brake. There is a known bypass to disablethis annoying feature so you can program the unit when the car is moving. Thanks to the avic411 forum, it is very easy to do.

Take the yellow/black wire from the top row (1st pin) out of the head unit wire harness. It should come out easy when you pull

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Take the yellow/black wire from the top row (1st pin) out of the head unit wire harness. It should come out easy when you pullon it but you may have the lift the tab on the connector a bit. The yellow/black wire is the Mute wire but we are not usingthat wire for anything else.

Insert the yellow/black wire in between the two black wires (4th pin) on the bottom row. You may have to lift the tab on theconnector with a small pointy object like a needle.

Ground the yellow/black and the green wire (from the black head unit connector) with the other ground wires on the harness.

The green wire would normally be connected to the hand brake so the unit knows when your car is parked.




02 August 2010, 13:57




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The wires

These are the wires you end up with.

1 - Acc wire to headlight switch2 - Illum wire to head light switch3 - Harness for the PAC SWI-PS4 - Metra harness5 - Head unit harness6 - Wire going to the SID7 - Bypass wire - connected to the black ground wires8 - Handbrake wire - connected to the black ground wires9 - Amp power cable

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Frank Wulfers

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The AVIC-F700BT also has a wire for conencting to a car reverse wire. I tried using the unit without this wire connected and itworks fine without it.


02 August 2010, 14:18




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More wiring

We need to tap into two wires going to the headlight switch.

Yellow/Blue wire for illumination wire on the head unit

This wire goes to the headlight relay so it will have +12V when you turn the headlight switch to the On position (assuming yourDRL’s have been disabled).This wire needs to be connected to the orange Illum wire on the head unit. The unit needs to know when to dim the display soif the wire has +12V, the unit switches to night mode.

Green wire for the Acc wire on the head unit

There are 4 positions for the ignition key:

LOCKOFFONSTART

The red wire in the Metra harness is supposed to be connected to the ACC wire on the harness. However, this wire is onlypowered when the ignition is in the ON position. This means your engine needs to be running in order to be able to use thehead unit. You can turn the ignition to the ON position without having the engine running but this bad for the ignition and otherengine parts. What we need is a wire that is powered when the ignition is in the OFF position.

That’s where the green wire from the headlight switch comes in. It has +12V when the key is in the OFF, ON and STARTposition and 0V when in the LOCK position. So the OFF position in the Saab 9-5 becomes the ACC position found on manyother vehicles.

Procedure

Take out the fuse panel cover on the left side and push out the headlight switch from behind.

Slide out the red part on the harness and remove the head light switch.

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Slide out the red part on the harness and remove the head light switch.

Use wire splice connectors to tap into the two wires

Route the wires under the dash. The panel is secured with only 3 screws so it is easy to do.


02 August 2010, 14:21




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There are several places where you can put the navigation antenna. This is just one solution but it was easy to do, theantenna is in a great spot for picking up signal and you hardly notice it at all.

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antenna is in a great spot for picking up signal and you hardly notice it at all.

Take out the center speaker grille. Use a screwdriver and gently lift it out. Undo the two screws that secure the speaker.

Lift out the cover plate with the temperature sensor and alarm light

Take the end of the antenna wire with the green connector and slide it under the edge of the dash (red arrow)

Use some metal wire, slide in from the center speaker opening ( blue arrow) all the way to an opening in the space below thecover plate (green arrow). Twist the end of the metal wire around the nav antenna cable and pull towards the center speakeropening. From here, you can route the antena wire down to the head unit.

The AVIC-F700BT comes with a small sheet of magnetic material with adhesive on one side. Cut out a piece smaller than thenav antenna and stick on the front cover plate. This will hold the nav antenna in place. Put the speaker, grille and cover plateback in their place and you’re done.

The end result.




02 August 2010, 14:25




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Other items

There are several places where you can put your iPod. The best spot for me is in the glove box.

Remove the glove box from the dash (there are 6 screws that hold it in place) and drill a hole on the left side. The hole needsto be large enough for the USB connector.

I placed the microphone at the top of the A-pillar on the driver’s side and routed the cable under the door rubbers and dash.

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When you mount the double-din cage flush to the instrument panel, there will be a large gap ( about 1/2 inch - 1 cm) betweenthe bezel and the dashboard. I found this picture of a different head unit which shows the gap I am referring to. Definitely nota good looking install.

I found a couple of plastics strips in my garage that were just the right size for my solution. I taped these with electrical tapeto the cage on all four sides. These strips will prevent the cage from sliding in all the way and make it stick out just enough toilliminate the gap when the bezel is in place.

Bend out the cage tabs on the top and bottom to secure the cage in the dash. The tabs on the sides can not be used whenusing these kind of strips but the four on toop and bottom seem to hold the unit fine.




02 September 2010, 03:26




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Pictures of the finished install.

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16 October 2010, 02:01

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Thanks big time for the step by step stereo install. I did the same install in a 2001 with a JVC deck. I have one problemthough. When I switch songs on a CD, switch sources, or turn the volume all the way down I get a loud pop that I amassuming is the amplifier switching off/on. Do you have this same problem? I used the blue/white wire from the JVC deck andspliced it to the AMP MUTE wire on the Saab.

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16 October 2010, 03:02




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I did have the problem with the loud pop when turning off the head unit. The standard Saab audio system first turns off theamplifier when you push the button or turn off the ignition before it actually shuts down the head unit. Any aftermarket unitturns itself of first and then just cuts the power to the amplifier at the same time, causing the amplifier to "pop".

This can be fixed by installing Ground Loop Isolators (GLI) between the amp-out on the head-unit and the amplifier. GLI's areusually used to eliminate a humming sound but they also do a good job with eliminating the popping sound.

Your problem sounds a bit different though, perhaps based on how the JVC unit powers the amp. It seems like when the soundlevel drops to a certain point, the head unit cuts the power to the amp. I am not familiar with JVC head units but I suspectGLI's will have the same effect and eliminate the pop. They are pretty inexpensive so that would be my first step. You can getthem from eBay, Crutchfield, Radioshack and other places.

Hopes this puts you on the right track but keep in mind I am not a car audio expert. And welcome to the forum! Hope you'll joinus in the other areas as well.


16 October 2010, 17:28


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Thanks for the info. I will post my progress and some photos when I complete my project.

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27 October 2010, 14:02


Oct 2010Strasbourg

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Hello everybody,Sorry for my bad english but i am french.I have done the same install in my 2002. But i have exactly the same problem that VEGASAAB have, and it's also a JVC headunit. So i think the problem come from the head unit. Vegasaab I wait for your progress and tell us if you suceed to fix it.What have you done for the different color between the clarion 2dbk and the dashboard ?

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27 October 2010, 14:09


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27 October 2010, 14:22


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BMXER. Those would have come in handy! I finished installation this weekend. The GLI's worked perfect! I found a set on eBayfor around $8US. I will post pictures of the finished installation tonight.

On a side note. There are some posts where people have used capacitors to remedy the problem. I did try this before theGLI's. Sound was distorted and there was a high pitched whine when the car was turned on coming from the speakers. I canonly assume this was the capacitors charging up. The pop was illiminated but the audio was horrible. Definately go with theGLI's.

The problem with aftermarket head units is the order in which the power is supplied to the amp and speakers. The stock headunit powered on the amp first and then the speakers. Aslo, the stock head unit supplies continuous power to the amp. Withthe JVC head unit, the speakers powered on first then the amp, producing the the popping sound. The JVC unit also droppedpower to the amp whenever there was no signal going to the speakers producing a pop as well. This happened when switchingsources, turning the volume all the way down and changing tracks on a CD.

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So the GLI work, it's a very good news.But where do you connect it ? There is 2 pair of RCA cable, one for each of them ? or just one ?I have read on an other french forum that noise can provide from a bad RCA cable quality. For the moment I am still waiting for my new ISO/RCA cable, and if it doesn't work I will connect a GLI.Thanks for this very quick response.

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27 October 2010, 17:14


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You need two. I connected them in between the head unit and the ISO block.

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27 October 2010, 17:15


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Sweet install and upgrade! Very nice job overall - my reccomendation for you and others who may do this, toss out thosescotch lock connectors and use a real but connector with heat shrink/glue instead. Those scotch locks are very shady andusually 16 year old kids use them on everything in their honda's b/c there is no skill involved, which also make electricalconnection quality suffer. That aside - still a very nice install! I just want to perform the IPOD harness upgrade in out 9-5 oneday - but this too would be nice to have if funds allow it one day.

~ 00' 9-3 Cabrio ~ 95' 9K Super CS ~ 86' 9KT ~ 80' 99 T16 ~ 73' 95 Wagon ~

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