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Donald Eastlake 3rd, Stellar SwitchesSlide 1

July 2009 Mesh Meeting Agenda

Date: 2009-07-13Authors:

Name Address Affiliation Phone Email

Donald Eastlake 3rd 155 Beaver Street,Milford, MA 01757 USA

Stellar Switches

+1-508-634-2066 [email protected]

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IEEE 802.11s:Mesh Networking

Task GroupTGs Motto: Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to

add but when there is nothing left to take away.

San Francisco, California13-16 July, 2009

Chair: Donald E. Eastlake 3rd (Stellar Switches) <[email protected]>Temporary Technical Editor: Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony)

Secretary: Stephen Rayment (BelAir Networks)

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Venue

Hyatt Regency, San Francisco, California

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General Flow of the TGs Meeting• Monday (ad hoc)

– Administrivia

– Resolution of Comments and Improvement of the Draft

• Tuesday– Administrivia and Status

– TGs Process Presentation


• Wednesday– Security Presentations


• Thursday– Resolution of Comments and Improvement of the Draft

– TGs Process Discussion

– Teleconferences/Ad-Hoc Meetings Discussion and Votes

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Monday, 13 July 2009 08:00–11:00 (Pacific Concourse A)

• Call ad hoc meeting to Order at 08:10– The chair indicated that they would act as Secretary for this ad hoc

meeting.

– Miscellaneous Announcements

– Manual attendance reminder

– Review of IEEE 802 and 802.11 Policies and Procedures on Intellectual Property, Inappropriate Topics, Etc.

• Ad Hoc Meeting Agenda– approved unanimously

• Status of TGs Draft 3.02 and Comment Resolutions– “Resolution of comments from Letter Ballot 147”, 11-09/471r10

– 11-09/664r0, Kazuyuki Sakoda (presented by chair)

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• Comment Resolution and improvement of the Draft– Discussion of and unanimous support to re-open CIDs 409, 415,

424, 585, 783, 773, and 1172.

– Subgroup interest poll:• General: 0 MAC: 3 RFI: 2 Security: 5

– The chair suggested dividing into MAC and Security subgroups but objections were raised that some security comment resolutions might depend on security presentations not yet made. There was agreement to split into two subgroups, one of which was MAC.

– Poll, should the second subgroup be RFI or Security?• RFI: 3 Security: 0

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– The task group divided into two subgroups as follows:• RFI – Guenael Strutt coördinator

• MAC – Dee Denteneer coördinator

• The Task group meeting was called back together.

• Ad hoc meeting adjourned at 10:55

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Tuesday, 14 July 2009 08:00 – 10:00 (Pacific Concourse M)

• Call Meeting to Order– Selection of Temporary Secretary

• Dee Denteneer volunteered except for Thursday AM2

– Miscellaneous Announcements

– Automated attendance reminder

– Review of IEEE 802 and 802.11 Policies and Procedures on Intellectual Property, Inappropriate Topics, Etc.

• Meeting Agenda– Approved unanimously

• Approval of Minutes:– Montreal meeting minutes: 11-09/595r0

• Approved unanimously

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Automated Attendance Recording• Go to http://newton/11/attendance

(Documents: http://802server.events.ieee.org/ or 172.16.0.10 or just http://newton)– Sign-in– Claim attendance credit for each session.

• Only “sign-in” and “claim credit” for yourself, do NOT “sign-in” for others.

• You have to log in every session!

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Miscellaneous Announcements• Warning: Do not leave your laptops unattended!

– The meeting is not responsible for your unwatched stuff.

• Wear your badge at all times in the meeting area!• Individual membership

– In all IEEE standards meetings, membership is by individual, hence you do not represent a company or organization.

• Photographs and Recordings– No sound recordings are permitted at 802.11 WG or TG meetings.– No photographs allowed without WG Chair permission.

• Media – Press and Analyst briefings– Only the 802.11/.15/.18/.19/.22 WG Chair and WG Vice-Chairs

are allowed to give verbal statements/interviews to the media on behalf of their respective IEEE working group.

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Important Stuff• Note the links from the items in red in the left column of all pages

of the Working Group meeting agenda.– Affiliation Frequently Asked Questions:

http://standards.ieee.org/faqs/affiliationFAQ.html

– Anti-Trust: http://standards.ieee.org/resources/antitrust-guidelines.pdf

– IEEE Ethics: http://www.ieee.org/web/membership/ethics/code_ethics.html

– Letter of Assurance Form: http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/loa.pdf

– IEEE Patent Committee: http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/index.html

– IEEE Patent Policy: http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt

– Patent FAQ: http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/faq.pdf

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Participants, Patents, and Duty to InformAll participants in this meeting have certain obligations under the IEEE-SA Patent Policy. Participants:

– “Shall inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of each “holder of any potential Essential Patent Claims of which they are personally aware” if the claims are owned or controlled by the participant or the entity the participant is from, employed by, or otherwise represents

• “Personal awareness” means that the participant “is personally aware that the holder may have a potential Essential Patent Claim,” even if the participant is not personally aware of the specific patents or patent claims

– “Should inform the IEEE (or cause the IEEE to be informed)” of the identity of “any other holders of such potential Essential Patent Claims” (that is, third parties that are not affiliated with the participant, with the participant’s employer, or with anyone else that the participant is from or otherwise represents)

– The above does not apply if the patent claim is already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance that applies to the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group

Quoted text excerpted from IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws subclause 6.2

• Early identification of holders of potential Essential Patent Claims is strongly encouraged

• No duty to perform a patent search

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Patent Related Links

All participants should be familiar with their obligations under the IEEE-SA Policies & Procedures for standards development.Patent Policy is stated in these sources:

IEEE-SA Standards Boards Bylawshttp://standards.ieee.org/guides/bylaws/sect6-7.html#6

IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manualhttp://standards.ieee.org/guides/opman/sect6.html#6.3

Material about the patent policy is available at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-material.html

If you have questions, contact the IEEE-SA Standards Board Patent Committee Administrator at [email protected] or visit http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/index.html

This slide set is available at http://standards.ieee.org/board/pat/pat-slideset.ppt

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Call for Potentially Essential Patents

• If anyone in this meeting is personally aware of the holder of any patent claims that are potentially essential to implementation of the proposed standard(s) under consideration by this group and that are not already the subject of an Accepted Letter of Assurance: – Either speak up now or

– Provide the chair of this group with the identity of the holder(s) of any and all such claims as soon as possible or

– Cause an LOA to be submitted

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Other Guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings

• All IEEE-SA standards meetings shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws.

– Don’t discuss the interpretation, validity, or essentiality of patents/patent claims.

– Don’t discuss specific license rates, terms, or conditions.

• Relative costs, including licensing costs of essential patent claims, of different technical approaches may be discussed in standards development meetings.

– Technical considerations remain primary focus

– Don’t discuss or engage in the fixing of product prices, allocation of customers, or division of sales markets.

– Don’t discuss the status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation.

– Don’t be silent if inappropriate topics are discussed … do formally object.---------------------------------------------------------------

See IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual, clause 5.3.10 and “Promoting Competition and Innovation: What You Need to Know about the IEEE Standards Association's Antitrust and Competition Policy” for

more details.

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• Approval of Minutes (continued)– Teleconference minutes:

• May 27, 11-09/665r0, June 24, 11-09/701r0, July 8, 11-09/737r0

• Approved unanimously

– Monday morning ad hoc minutes: 11-09/800r0• Approved unanimously

• Status of TGs Draft 3.02 and Comment Resolutions– “Resolution of comments from Letter Ballot 147”, 11-09/471r10

– 11-09/664r0, Kazuyuki Sakoda (presented by the Chair)

• Discussion and Votes re Process / ad hocs / teleconferences– “TGs Process, July”, 11-09/811r0

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• Moved, That the IEEE 802.11 Working Group requests that IEEE make 802.11s Draft D3.02 available for public purchase.– Mover: Javier Cardona Seconder: Guido Hiertz

– Yes: 8 No: 3 Abstain: 3 (Passes, Procedural)

• “MCF Issues”, Liwen Chu (STMicroelectronics), 11-09/0562r2

• “TGs LB 147 Submission for Resolutions of Comments Related to HWMP PERR Element”, Harish Ramamurthy (Marvell), 11-09/791r0

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• “Resolutions of the Remaining Power Management Comments”, Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia), 11-09/742r0– It was suggested to have a straw poll between options 1 and 2 on

slide 12 but, after discussion, it was clear that there were several people in favor of option 2 and no one was in favor of option 1.

– (There was insufficient time to complete the above presentation and it was agreed to continue it at the PM1 session.)

• Recess until 13:30

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• Call Meeting to Order

• IPR and Attendance Recording Reminder

• (continued) “Resolutions of the Remaining Power Management Comments”, Jarkko Kneckt (Nokia), 11-09/742r0

• Security Presentations– “TGs Authenticated Encryption Function”, John Petro (Envieta),

11-09/770r0

Straw Poll: Should TGs stick with SIV or investigate replacing it with CCM?

SIV: 10 CCM: 10 Abstain: 6

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• Security Presentations (continued)• “Resolving SAE Comments”, Dan Harkins (Aruba), 11-09/754r0

• Comment Resolution and improvement of the Draft– Moved, to adopt the comment comment resolutions in submission

11-09/829r0 with Column X equal to “TGs-0713” or “MAC-7/12/2009” except CID 180.

• Mover: Dee Denteneer Seconder: Liwen Chu

• Yes: 8 No: 0 Abstain: 9 (passes > ¾)

• “Update Mesh Peering Protocols”, Meiyuan Zhao (Intel), 11-09/813r1


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• The Chair announced that the motion passed during the AM1 session today to ask IEEE to make 802.11s D3.02 available for sale was invalid. Only specific draft that actually got 75% approval can be sold. For 802.11s, that would be D3.0.

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• Moved, To adopt the comment resolutions in 11-09/742r0, excluding CID 343, with “11-09/672r2” replaced by “11-09/617r2”.– Mover: Dee Denteneer Seconder: Guido Hiertz

– Yes: 6 No: 0 Abstain: 3 (passes > ¾)

• “Mesh Compatible MLME.join & start”, Jarkko Kneckt, 11-09/820r1

• Dee Denteneer announced that he had uploaded 11-09/837r1 and requests feedback.

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• Subgroup interest straw poll:– Security: 3 RFI: 1 MAC: 4 General: 0

• Divide into subgroups:– MAC coordinated by Guido Hiertz

– Security coordinated by Meiyuan Zhao

• TGs was called back together.

• Recess until 13:30 Wednesday

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Pending Presentations• “TGs LB 147 Submission for Resolutions of Comments Related to

HWMP PERR Element”, Harish Ramamurthy (Marvell), 11-09/791r2

July 2009


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Wednesday, 15 July 2009 13:30 – 15:30 (Pacific Concourse H)



• Comment Resolution and improvement of the Draft


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Wednesday, 15 July 2009 16:00 – 18:00 (Pacific Concourse H)




• Recess until 10:30 Thursday

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Thursday, 16 July 2008 10:30 – 12:30 (Pacific Concourse I)





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Thursday, 16 July 2009 16:00 – 18:00 (Pacific Concourse I)



• Discussion and Votes re Process / ad hocs / teleconferences– “TGs Process, July”, 11-09/811r1

• Motion: To direct the Editor to produce one or more revisions of the Draft so as to incorporate all changes and comment resolutions adopted before the end of this session.

• Adjourn sine die

• TGs Motto: Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing left to add but when there is nothing left to take away.

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[Reference Information]• Updated PAR at

http://standards.ieee.org/board/nes/projects/802-11s.pdf.

– Original PAR for IEEE 802.11 ESS Mesh: 11-04/54r2. Original Five Criteria for IEEE 802.11 ESS Mesh: 11-04/56r1.

• Comment Resolution Spreadsheet:– 11-09/471r10: Resolution of Letter Ballot #147 Comments

• TGs Technical Editors:– Kazuyuki Sakoda (Sony), Draft 2.03…D3.0…

– Anthony Maida (3eTI), Drafts 2.01 and D2.02

– Avinash Joshi (Motorola), Drafts 1.09 through D2.0

– W. Steven Conner (Intel). Drafts 0.01 through D1.08(also chair of the first Mesh Study Group Session)

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[Earlier Meeting Minutes]• Task Group “s” Meeting Minutes

– May 2009, Montreal, Quebec, 11-09/595r0

– March 2009, Vancouver, British Columbia, 11-09/312r0

– January 2009, Los Angeles, California, 11-09/110r0

– November 2008, Dallas, Texas, 11-08/1431r0

– September 2008, Waikoloa, Hawaii, 11-08/1078r0• September 2008, ad hoc Meeting, Līhu‘e, Kaua‘i, Hawai‘i, 11-08/1038r0

– July 2008, Denver, Colorado, 11-08/835r0

– May 2008, Jacksonville, Florida, 11-08/580r2• May 2008, ad hoc Meeting, Santa Clara, California, 11-08/539r0

– March 2008, Orlando, Florida, 11-08/424r0

– January 2008, Taipei, Taiwan, 11-08/170r2

– November 2007, Atlanta, Georgia, 11-07/2826r1

• Recent Teleconference Minutes• May 6, 11-09/521r0