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IEEE P802.11Wireless LANs

Minutes of the IEEE P802.11 Full Working Group

Date: 2009-11-16

Author(s):Name Company Address Phone email

Stephen McCann

Research in Motion (RIM) UK Ltd

200 Bath Road, Slough, Berkshire, SL1 3XE, UK +44 1753 667099 [email protected]

Minutes page 1 Stephen McCann, RIM

AbstractThis document constitutes the minutes of the IEEE 802.11 full working group for the

November 2009, Atlanta, Georgia, USA meeting.

Please note that all affiliations at this meeting are shown in Annex A.


IEEE 802.11 Plenary Meeting – Session #118Hyatt Regency, Atlanta, Georgia, USA

November 16th – 20th, 2009

IEEE 802.11 Opening Plenary, Monday 16th November 2009

Presiding chair: Bruce Kraemer (Marvell Semiconductor) opened the meeting at 13:30 EST.

Jon Rosdahl CSRAdrian Stephens Intel Corporation UK LtdStephen McCann Research in Motion (RIM) UK Ltd

There are 250 voting members of IEEE 802.11

1. Approve/modify joint opening agenda (11-09-1094r2)

1.1. Chair: This is the main agenda for the week and shows the allocation of meetings to time slots.1.2. Chair: Any modifications.1.3. Q: Can we add a line item for a REG Ad Hoc summary please.1.4. Chair: Ok. So, I’ll post r3 later on.1.5. No objection to the approval of the agenda.

2. September 2009 (Waikoloa) WG Minutes (11-09-0999r1)

2.1. Move to approve the September 2009 (Waikoloa) minutes2.2. Moved: Stephen McCann, 2nd: Clint Chaplin2.3. Following neither discussion nor dissent the minutes were approved by unanimous consent.

3. Notices

3.1. Please note that photographs and recording devices are not allowed in these meetings.

4. Attendance

4.1. 4 people attended this meeting for the first time out of 150 people in the room.

5. Financials (11-09-1191r0)

5.1. The vice-chair summarized the current state of the group’s financial situation.5.2. Note: the September meeting made a surplus, due to a rebate from the hotel, although this is

because part of the IEEE 802.16 group joined us.



6. Call for essential Patents (11-09-1007r0)

6.1. The vice-chair called for essential patents information.6.2. No statements were made.

7. Policies and Procedures (11-09-0809r0)

7.1. The vice-chair presented the P&Ps update. This document contains all the information and links to the appropriate P&P rules.

7.2. Please note that this is a new version of the P&P, which is common across all IEEE 802 working groups.

7.3. In addition, IEEE 802.11 is now allowed to adopt its own operations manual (OM).

8. Announcements

8.1. 11n and 11w published documents (11-09-1096r0)8.1.1. Chair: Now that these groups are finished, items are winding up for these groups. There

will be an award ceremony for these groups in January 2010.8.1.2. The two PARs expire at the end of the year and will be allowed to do that.

8.2. Missing chairs and replacements8.2.1. The yellow blocks indicate openings which should be filled.8.2.2. TGs

8.2.2.1. I’ve highlighted the TGs chair, who will not be able to continue following this meeting. I would like to thank Donald for his continuing help with this group.

8.2.2.2. Chair: I would like to ask Dee Dentermee to stand forward for the TGs chairmanship and give us a short introduction.

8.2.3. Q: If Dee is crazy enough to stand for this task, then I think he should have it.8.2.4. Chair: As there are no other nominations for this position, then I would like group

affirmation for Dee.8.2.5. Chair: Within TGs there are also no technical editors and secretaries. So these positions

need to be filled.8.2.6. Editor8.2.7. The WG technical editor is unable to attend this week. Peter Ecclesine has volunteered to

do this, this week.8.2.8. WNG SC8.2.9. T.K. Tan is unable to attend this week and indeed will not be able to continue with the

chairmanship of WNG.8.2.10. Clint Chaplin has volunteered to chair this week and therefore nominations are now open

for WNG. They will close on Friday.

8.3. Meetings this week8.3.1. Joint meetings: TGaa and IEEE 802.1avb later this week.8.3.2. IEEE 802.18 has not announced an agenda yet, as the chair has been a little ill today.

Details will be issued later.

8.3.3. IEEE 802 WG PARs (11-09-1095r0) Minutes page 3 Stephen McCann, RIM


8.3.3.1. IEEE 802.19 has an agenda which will discuss some PAR issues this week.8.3.3.2. IEEE 802.22: They have two PARs this week.8.3.3.3. There are also 9 other PARs under consideration as shown in slide #7. They will

be voted on, during the 802 EC on Friday afternoon this week.

8.3.4. IEEE 802 Emergency Services Study Group 8.3.4.1. Please note this special meeting on Wednesday morning.

8.3.5. EPA Energy Star 8.3.5.1. Chair: Please send any comments to the link as shown on slide #9. The closing

deadline is today.

8.3.6. Tutorials 8.3.6.1. Three tutorials this time, of which the most interesting is SmartGrid.

8.3.7. IEEE 802 Overview and Architecture document revision 8.3.7.1. Current O&A document is posted in the member’s area. This document is now

being reviewed and IEEE 802.11 has been asked to identify a contact for this group.

8.3.8. IEEE 802 Emergency Services Study Group (Geoff Thomson) 8.3.8.1. This adds to the presentation made at the opening plenary

<https://mentor.ieee.org/802-sg-emergency-services/dcn/09/sg-emergency-services-09-0008-00-ESSG-es-preso-for-wgs-091116.pdf>

8.3.8.2. Focus of the group is on 911 voice calls, to be managed equally across all IEEE 802 technologies.

8.3.8.3. Please note that this is not a consensus model. It’s likely that the work will have to follow the work already done by IETF ECRIT.

8.3.8.4. Hopefully will have a PAR ready by the March 2010 meeting. Will meet with IEEE 802.16 in their January 2010 interim (which does not overlap with IEEE 802.11 interim.)

8.3.8.5. Q: I think this activity should be coordinated with the IEEE 802 O&A activity mentioned above.

9. Voting status, attendance, meeting network & documentation (11-09- 0952r1r0)

9.1. Document describes how to do attendance, voting status, letter ballots. There is a lot of useful background material in this presentation.

9.2. 82 aspirant voters, 21 nearly voters, 40 potential voters9.3. No questions

10. Publicity

10.1. Secretary mentioned that there are no publicity issues this week.

11. Timelines



11.1. Secretary spoke about recent changes to the timeline chart (11n, 11w, 11p, 11u, 11v and 11z) and invited comments. Many updates this time, which have been reflected in the updated chart. Please can all chairs check their entries and provide updates before the Thursday CAC meeting.

12. WG Technical Editor (11-09-1096r0 slide 6)

12.1. Chair: The Technical editor is not available this meeting, so Peter Ecclesine will stand in for him.

13. Status of all groups (11-09-1096r0)

13.1. Technical editors: meeting Tuesday 7am13.2. WNG: Three presentations this week, but I’m not sure about presentation titles at this

moment. Room is Hanover F, Tuesday 08:00.13.3. ARC: The chairman could not make this meeting and will not meet this week. Chair:

Therefore the ARC slot can be re-used for another group this week. Please can chairs talk to me later?

13.4. TGmb: Current draft is D1.06, which now incorporates 11w. Several important issues this week:

13.4.1. AES-GCM mode13.4.2. Changes to frame transition state diagrams13.4.3. Combining Annexes D and Q

13.5. TGp: Now into initial sponsor ballot, this will finish this Saturday. Already started comment resolution. However, as there are only 19 comments, we may have a short week.

13.6. Chair: Please send out reminders to the whole group about this.13.7. TGs: No questions13.8. TGu: Chair: May I invite Mike Kipness in the room to coordinate with the TGu chair to

discuss copyright issues for the external expert review.13.9. TGv:13.10. Q: I see that Draft 7.02 is in the member’s area.13.11. A: There was a name in the error of Draft 7.0 and so had to be changed for the sponsor

ballot. The next version will be Draft 7.03.13.12. TGz: No questions13.13. TGaa: No questions13.14. TGac: No questions13.15. TGad: No questions13.16. TVWS SG: No questions13.17. QoSMAN SG: No questions13.18. JTC1 Ad-Hoc: No questions13.19. Q: Do you expect any input from 11mb this week?13.20. A: This may be difficult as the groups’ meetings conflict this week.13.21. REG Ad-Hoc: No questions

13.22. Recent Ballots13.23. Please see slides for several ballots (1 letter ballot and 3 sponsor ballots) which have

closed since the September 2009 meeting. The TGp sponsor ballot will finish shortly.



13.24. Chair: Any more questions and/or updates?13.25. C: I would just like to thank the officiers for helping the sponsor ballot chairs through this

process. In addition, please can you just remind the membership of changes in rules once you work in a CRC (Comment Resolution Committees).

13.26. Chair: Indeed there is a document which outlines lessons learned from the sponsor ballots, which will be reflected at IEEE 802 level.

13.27. Chair: Also CRCs can vote during teleconferences and therefore sponsor ballot re-circulations and other events, operate independently of the face-to-face meetings.

13.28. Q: Please could you ask the CRCs to publish teleconference minutes, prior to the next one that they have, otherwise people can become lost.

13.29. Chair: Ok, we’ll possibly think about. Internally, within IEEE 802.11, I think this is a good way of working. Please can the CRC chairs bear this in mind.

14. Any Other Business

14.1. None14.2. Meeting recessed at 15:16 EST



Wednesday, 18th November 2009

IEEE 802.11 Mid Week Plenary

Presiding chair: Bruce Kraemer (Marvell Semiconductor) opened the meeting at 10:31 EST

141 people present.

15. Approve/modify joint opening agenda (11-09-1094r4)

15.1. Chair: Inserted some more specific entries (i.e. PAR discussions) and changed some items around.

15.2. Any objection to accepting the changes to the agenda?15.3. No objection, so moved and approved.

16. Call for Essential Patents

16.1. Call for essential patents16.2. Comment (C): An item came up in TGu requiring LoAs.16.3. Chair: Please can you forward any information/emails to me.

17. P&Ps

17.1. Chair: Please note we are operating under the same P&Ps as announced at the Monday opening plenary.

18. CAC

18.1. Reminder about 19.30 meeting on Thursday. Need to consider documentation for the IEEE 802 Executive Committee (EC) meeting on Friday.

19. Other Announcements

19.1. Social tonight here in the hotel this evening in the breakfast/lunch location at 18:30 EST. Please note that Guests must have name badges, this includes partners and children.

19.2. C: Please can I have some time for an 802.1 item. This is a liaison document.19.3. Chair: Ok, I’ll put that on the agenda.19.4. Is there any objection to adding an extra agenda item 5.4.19.5. No objection.

20. Liaisons

20.1. IEEE 802.18 : Radio Regulatory Tag (11-09-1246r0)Minutes page 7 Stephen McCann, RIM


20.1.1. Various items discussed this week covering Whitespace, M1457, EN 300 32820.1.2. C: Regarding the 5600 MHz band, I’ve uploaded 18-09-116r0 and 18-09-117r0 to the

802.18 server which has further information.20.1.3. C: Regarding this band it is used for Airport radars, in the 5600 MHz band. This also

considers neighboring interference from other systems, hence the connection with WLANs.20.1.4. Chair: The FCC has investigated 45 airports, 28 of which have some interference.

20.2. IEEE 802.19 : Co-existence Tag (11-09-1235r0)20.2.1. All the time has been devoted to Whitespace issues.20.2.2. Q: How much activity called TAG is actually going on in 802.19. What was the situation

of non-TV whitespace activity in July and September?20.2.3. A: For these two meetings, everything was Whitespace.

20.3. Wi-Fi Alliance (WFA)20.3.1. It’s been an interesting year for the Wi-Fi and WLAN industry. From the WFA

perspective things looked bad at the start of the year. However, the membership of the WFA is up, especially from Asia and now has the first African member from Tanzania. In addition WFA need to think about modern technology to have meetings. The scope is now beyond the PC and is now present in many other devices. The number of certifications is at a record level. The space is expanding very quickly, especially for smartphones. SmartGrid, medical has also been referenced and better hotspot operation.

20.3.2. Brief update on a few WFA projects, showing that the scope is still widening:20.3.2.1. MESH (11s)20.3.2.2. WMAC (Admission Control)20.3.2.3. Voice Enterprise20.3.2.4. WPS extensions20.3.2.5. Network management20.3.2.6. TDLS (11z)20.3.2.7. Security (11w), transition away from WEP and TKIP.

20.3.3. New Items20.3.3.1. Wi-Fi direct (PAN market)20.3.3.2. Display applications

20.3.4. 11n is now complete. Following completion of this certification, there have been many good reports in the press which was phenomenal and was a record for the WFA.

20.3.5. One request for the IEEE 802.11, from the WFA board, is please go faster. Wi-Fi is becoming bigger and is now part of our everyday lives. We can’t wait 7 years for the next big thing to appear, which meets the needs of all market segments.

20.3.6. No questions

20.4. IETF (11-09-1149r0)20.4.1. Met last week in Hiroshima, Japan20.4.2. GEOPRIV: Still working on the liaison from TGv in July 2009.20.4.3. EMU: Un-authenticated access problems. Related to the work in 11u20.4.4. ECRIT: Also discussing the same document as EMU, and related to 11u20.4.5. HOKEY: Now found some new work and continue to work on keying issues for

handovers. This is related to issues which came up in 11r.20.4.6. SMARTGRID: There was a BoF (Birds of a feather) meeting on this topic, which has

similarities to the topic within IEEE 802.



20.4.7. CAPWAP: Although they did not meet last week, there are still some outstanding issues to resolve.

20.4.8. Three meetings next week, including California and The Netherlands.20.4.9. No questions

20.5. 3GPP20.5.1. Nothing specific to report. But 11u hopes to start an external review of their draft this

week and 3GPP is one of the selected SDOs.20.5.2. Chair: Have you spoken to Mike Kipness yet about potential copyright issues?20.5.3. A: No.

20.6. ETSI20.6.1. Still nothing approved by the US Federal government, so nothing can go ahead at this

time.20.6.2. No questions.

21. PAR meetings (11-09-1197r1)

21.1. Vice-chair: The PAR review meetings this week met to consider PARs from other working groups and generate some feedback. The final PAR meeting will meet on Thursday to review their feedback back to IEEE 802.11.

21.2. 10 of the 12 PARs this week were considered. Comments have been submitted for 4 of the PARs. We should have responses back today and those will be considered in the last PAR meeting slot tomorrow.

21.3. There are 3 motions to approve comments to be sent to 802.19, 802.21 and 802.22.21.4. Also received comments on our PARs: Whitespace and QoSMAN.21.5.21.6. Whitespace (802.11af) PAR comments (11-09-1240r1)21.7. This document contains our responses to some of the comments received regarding this

PAR.21.8. Some of the comments were regarding regulatory issues and information. It was decided

that since the regulatory requirements are not currently stable, a statement to the effect that all regulatory requirements will be met, was written into the PAR.

21.9. Many other comments were about distinct identity, which have been addressed.21.10. Chair: Although this document has been posted, we still have the opportunity to change

our responses and the PAR itself.21.11. Q: Regarding Slide #2, 5.2: It states that the regulatory rules will take care of harmful

interference. Why is this statement there, when we have to follow regulatory rules anyway?21.12. C: The original IEEE 802.22 PAR has a similar statement. This was created by various

broadcasters.21.13. Q: I was thinking of other devices, rather than TV broadcasters.21.14. C: Part 73 and Part 74 in the USA allow small companies to transmit regional television

programs in whitespace bands. These are typically used for regional events. ESPN (the sports channel) sometimes operates in this way. These secondary services also have to protected by all these Whitespace PARs.

21.15. Chair: Again please attend the new Whitespace meeting to help finalize their PAR.21.16. Chair: however, regarding the response, we need to approve that now, so it can be sent

back to the individual WGs.



21.17. C: I just wanted to emphasis that we will protect other incumbent devices.

21.18. QoSMAN (802.11ae) PAR comments (11-09-1241r2)21.19. This document contains our responses to some of the comments received regarding this

PAR.21.20. Resolution of theses comments resulted in a revised PAR 11-09-0942r7.21.21. No questions.

21.22. Chair: Again I just want to remind everyone that we need to complete and return our responses by 17:00 EST today.

21.23. Chair: December 10th 2009 is the NesCom date for the approval of these PARs, assuming that they are approved in the EC meeting this Friday.

21.24. Chair: So hopefully we’ll then have new task groups (TGs) in January 2010.

22. Room Change Requests

22.1. Chair: The Thursday QoSMAN slot is now available.22.2. Both TGs and TV Whitespace SG would like the Thursday AM1 timeslot please.22.3. Chair: This is judgment between letter ballot re-circulation and finishing the TV

Whitespace SG PAR.22.4. C: Perhaps the TV Whitespace PAR could be finished during the Thursday PAR PM1

meeting.22.5. Chair: Ok, that’s a possibility.22.6. C: Regarding TGp, which is still in sponsor ballot, could they give up some time.22.7. Chair: I’ll accept that as a yes. Thank you to the TGp chairman for allowing that.22.8. Chair: So QoSMAN Thursday AM1 will become TV Whitespace, and then TGp

Thursday AM1 will become TGs.22.9. Chair: Any objection to this. None noted.22.10. Vice-chair: Please can you also help the TGs chairman during his subsequent

teleconferences.

23. TTA MoU (11-09-1095r1)

23.1. Chair: IEEE 802 has received a request from the Korean TTA (Telecommunication Technology Association) to establish a liaison. The invitation also included .15 and .16.

23.2. Therefore as this is a liaison, we have to approve a liaison.23.3. One of the aspects is to consider document exchange.23.4. I don’t know the dates of the TTA meetings.23.5. Chair: Therefore I will propose a motion, on Friday, asking the EC to maintain a liaison

with TTA.23.6. TTA representative: The word “liaison” has been removed from this document, but as far

as IEEE 802 is concerned, this is a liaison. Once IEEE 802 has agreed to this, dates of TTA meetings will be communicated. This is also part of the IEEE 802 international strategic approach.

23.7. Q: What exactly does TTA do? Do they create their own standards?23.8. C: I’m not too sure.23.9. Chair: What would their meeting schedules be please? Is there an abstract of any of their

projects please, so we can just get an idea of their scope?



23.10. Q: In 802.11j, we liaised with ARIB MMAC (Japan) and they generated some English language web pages of their corresponding projects. Perhaps TTA could do the same thing.

23.11. C: As chair of IEEE 1609, I do not know about this.23.12. A: The invitation will be re-sent.23.13. Q: What does “mutual consent” mean, regarding document exchange?23.14. Chair: In the context of drafts, we could grant TTA access to specific drafts. Regarding

how this happens in practice, I’m not sure.23.15. Q: Will any document language translation will be the responsibility of TTA?23.16. Chair: Not sure at the moment.23.17. Chair: This topic will be re-visited during the Friday closing plenary.

24. Meeting Registration Change Proposal (11-09-1095r1)

24.1. Proposal from the IEEE 802 administrator regarding an earlier meeting registration process and hotel room reservations.

24.2. This will be re-visited during the Friday closing plenary.24.3. No questions.

25. IEEE 802.1Qat Stream Reservation Protocol (11-09-0926r4)

25.1. Describes the work between 802.11aa and 802.1Qat25.2. The work from 802.11aa will form a normative Annex Q of 802.1Qat25.3. The 802.11aa would like to bring a motion on this topic back to the Friday closing

plenary.25.4. Slide #9 is the one that needs attention from 802.11. If you find any errors, please let the

802.11aa chair know, prior to Friday, before the motion as mentioned above.25.5. Chair: Which one of the three 802.11aa slots left this week, will you discuss this.25.6. 802.11aa chair: Thursday AM1 slot, which is a joint meeting with 802.1Qat.25.7. Q: You’re asking for approval of detailed technical items, which normally go through the

letter ballot process?25.8. 802.11aa chair: We need to provide 802.1Qat with some interface specification.25.9. Vice-chair: Did you think that this decision should be made at the WG level, as opposed

to 802.11aa?25.10. Chair: Some of these changes are in the 802.11aa draft and some of them go into

802.1Qat, which is a little unusual in this case.25.11. 802.11aa chair: 802.1Qat are waiting for our input, so they can go to sponsor ballot.

26. New Business

26.1. Whitespace responses motions26.1.1. Move to approve 09/1240r2 “Replies to comments on 802.11 TVWS PAR/5C” as the

response by 802.11 to the PAR comments received. 26.1.2. (TG results: Moved by Peter Ecclesine, 2nd by Tushar Moorti: Motion passes

unanimously, 19 people in the room)26.1.3. Moved: Richard Kennedy, 2nd: Peter Ecclesine26.1.4. Moved by unanimous consent ((141 people present)



26.2. QoSMAN responses motions26.2.1. Move to accept the QOSMAN PAR comment resolutions in document

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/09/11-09-1241-02-00qm-qosman-par-comment-resolutions.xls.

26.2.2. (SG result: Moved: Stephen McCann, 2nd: Paul Lambert, Result: 6, 0, 1)26.2.3.Moved: Mike Montemurro, 2nd: Richard Kennedy26.2.4. Moved by unanimous consent (141 people present)

27. Any Other Business

27.1. Meeting recessed at 12:30 EST



Friday, 20th November 2009

IEEE 802.11 Closing Plenary

Call to order at 08:03 EST by Bruce Kraemer (Marvell).

75 people present in the room.

28. Agenda (11-09-1094r6)

28.1. Chair: There have been changes due to revised time of motions, together with some speaking topics (e.g. PARs, January 2010 items)

28.2. Any objection to adopting the changes to the agenda.28.3. None seen

29. Patents

29.1. Call for Essential Patents and Letters of Assurance (LoA)29.2. No items arose.29.3. No questions on this

30. Announcements

30.1. Chair’s minutes, reports and web pages30.1.1. Please can you send these to the secretary30.1.2. Also please note that agendas for the January 2010 will be due soon.30.1.3. Face to face will produce room plans for January 2010 shortly.30.1.4. Please be aware of the Chair’s schedule for the chair’s committee meetings, especially

during the upcoming holiday seasons.

30.2. Letters of Assurance (LoA)30.2.1. Apart from Monday’s announcements, nothing new has been announced.

30.3. IEEE Store (11-09-1095r2)30.3.1. The IEEE sells drafts and other publications. The slides show the drafts currently for

sale.30.3.2. Are there any new requests for drafts to be put on sale?30.3.3. C: TGp Draft 8.030.3.4. C: TGv Draft 7.030.3.5. Chair: Action: I will ensure to try and sort this out shortly.

31. Meeting Location (Atlanta)

31.1. Chair: Can I have a show of hands who favor this location and would like to return:31.2. For: 26, Against: 15



32. Treasurer’s Report (11-09-1191r1)

32.1. Q: Do you expect the numbers to remain static, especially with the $250 fee for members not staying at the meeting hotel.

32.2. Vice-chair: I think the trend is slightly down. Remember that the room rate is based on the large block numbers that we negotiate with the hotels.

32.3. Q: I was just concerned that raising prices will push the numbers down.32.4. Vice-chair: I hope to trend down the actually registration fee for members who stay in the

hotel.

33. Documentation & Attendance

33.1. Vice-chair: the documentation system is running, although there are a couple of small bugs. A couple of anomalies arose with the attendance system, which are being tracked down.

33.2. A: This is because the system assumes its part of the working group.

34. WG Reports

34.1. Publicity34.1.1. Nothing to report this week.34.1.2. No questions.

34.2. Timelines34.2.1. The secretary talked about the updated timeline chart, which will be posted following this

meeting.34.2.2. The main changes so far are for v and u so far. There may be other changes to p and z

especially, to correct the sequence order of these amendments.

35. WG Committee Reports (11-09-1162r1)

35.1. Technical editor (slide #3)35.1.1. The publication of 11n, has had an impact on numbering of the other amendments. Form

January 2010, we’ll be discussing the impact on the active task groups.35.1.2. Document 11-09-1034r0 is the new IEEE 802.11 style guide (as opposed to the IEEE

style guide)35.1.3. Nothing to report on ANA.35.1.4. Q: On slide #4, what’s the snapshot date?35.1.5. A: It’s based on the input of the individual editors.35.1.6. I’d also like to thank Kazuyuli Sakoda for all his efforts in TGs this year.

35.2. WNG SC (slide #7)35.2.1. 1 session with 3 presentations all together.35.2.2. Please inform the WNG SC chair, if you want time for the January 2010 meeting.35.2.3. Chair: I mentioned earlier that TK Tan is standing down as chair of this group.35.2.4. Chair: Apart from Clint Chaplin, are there any other nominations for chair.35.2.5. Chair: Please welcome Clint Chaplin as the new chair by acclamation.



35.3. TGmb (slide #11)35.3.1. Finished our work this week and now ask for re-circulation letter ballot later today.35.3.2. We hope to roll up 11n in parallel with this re-circulation letter ballot. This draft will be

available in January 2010.35.3.3. Have changed the timeline, but the end date is the same.35.3.4. Q: I noticed that TGmb has not provided a technical editor’s snapshot since May 2009.35.3.5. A: I will work with the technical editor on this.

35.4. TGp (slide #18)35.4.1. Our current sponsor ballot will finish this weekend, and so is still open. Currently have

49 comments.35.4.2. Worked on initial comment resolutions this week.35.4.3. Chair: Please can you send out another reminder to the sponsor ballot pool.35.4.4. Q: There was reminder that was automatically sent out to non-responders last night.35.4.5. Chair: Ok, I didn’t know that, but please send another reminder anyway.

35.5. TGs (slide #22)35.5.1. Finished all comment resolutions from LB 147. Hope to go to re-circulation letter ballot

later today. Thanks to Stuart Kerry for helping us forward this week.35.5.2. Thanks for all the contributions and assistance with motions this week.35.5.3. No questions

35.6. TGu (slide #xx)35.6.1. Re-circulation sponsor ballot in early January 2010.35.6.2. Explained the expert review process35.6.3. No questions

35.7. TGv (slide #32)35.7.1. Noted that 11mb have made many changes to the MIB, which have to be reflected in

TGv.35.7.2. No changes to the timeline35.7.3. Vice-chair: I am in a position to compile the 11mb MIB.35.7.4. TGv chair: I can talk to you offline about this.

35.8. TGz (slide #38)35.8.1. Made good progress this week.35.8.2. The next re-circulation sponsor ballot will be after the January 2010 IEEE 802.11

meeting.35.8.3. Q: Since you are supposed to be ahead of p, v and u, your re-circulation ballot seems to

be behind the others.35.8.4. TGz Chair: Our plan is still finish before them.35.8.5. Technical Editor: I’ve asked the IEEE staff to review the TGz earlier in the process, as

it’s quite small.35.8.6. Chair: Since TGz is quite small and has had few comments, I think this delay will not be

a problem in the long run.



35.8.7. Chair: regarding the IEEE staff, we are discussing with them to have earlier views of these sponsor ballot draft. This is currently on-going and some details still need to be discussed. This is because professional editor’s comment changes could be confused with technical sponsor ballot changes, which may violate our current operating procedures.

35.9. TGaa (slide #39)35.9.1. Joint meetings with 802.11ac and 802.1AVB.35.9.2. Many technical presentations this week.35.9.3. Hope to enter the January 2010 meeting with Draft 0.03, with Draft 1.0 ready by March

2010.35.9.4. Chair: Slide #6, 802.1Qat is now in sponsor ballot. Will you be including 11-09-0926r5

in the IEEE 802.1Qat draft?35.9.5. A: No, as this document is a powerpoint, not normative text.

35.10. TGac (slide #49)35.10.1. There are now 4 ad hocs, with 3 chairs in each group.35.10.2. Chair: I would like to give some sort of recognition to these Ad Hoc chairs, who

will be spending a lot of time in TGac over the next year or so.

35.11. TGad (slide #54)35.11.1. Many presentations this week.35.11.2. Please note the call for proposals and the dates for submissions.35.11.3. Chair: slide #5, please note that this is important. March is in Orlando and May is

Beijing. The Chinese invitation letters will be produced early and should be available in January 2010. Please note that if you have plans to participate in TGad in May, please be prepared to go to China and organize your visas and travel well in advance.

35.12. TV Whitespace Study Group (slide #61)35.12.1. Received 40 comments on the PAR this week, which was quite a surprise.35.12.2. Hope that EC will approve the task group to proceed this afternoon.35.12.3. No questions

35.13. QoSMAN Study Group (slide #67)35.13.1. Thanks to our temporary secretary this week.35.13.2. Received 9 comments on the PAR this week, but as we received an extra NesCom

comment late, I’ll have to bring a personal motion to deal with various changes to the QoSMAN output documentation.

35.13.3. No questions

35.14. JTC1 Ad Hoc (slide #75)35.14.1. Main topic on the agenda was WAPI, especially the proposal for a new project

within SC6.35.14.2. We have produced a letter which counters the claim that current WLANs are in-

secure. A motion to approve this will appear later.35.14.3. No questions.

35.15. Regulatory Ad Hoc (slide #82)



35.15.1. Worked on some issues, regarding international changes on various regulations which may affect WLANs.

35.15.2. Q: In some of the FCC meeting, there was a discussion about how you define “indoor”. Are there planning to have specific “indoor” regulations?

35.15.3. A: This has been a stipulation for quite some time, e.g. what about a tent.35.15.4. A: UTAN used to work in 2.4 GHz band. The indoor rule, is that all the APs are

all indoors together with the AP antennas. The mobiles can be outdoors. I’ll send a reference to the mailing lists.

35.15.5. Q: In the 1990s the 5250 – 5350 MHz band was defined as a satellite band and not a radar band. Therefore this needs to be pointed out to these regulatory bodies.

35.15.6. Reg Chair: I can add this to one of the teleconference agenda.35.15.7. C: As regards radars, the FCC doesn’t care about indoor/outdoor definitions.35.15.8. Chair: regarding ERM TG11, is anyone planning on attending?35.15.9. A: Yes, 1 person (The REG ad hoc’s representative)

36. Liaison Reports

36.1. IEEE 802.15 (11-09-1296r2)36.1.1. This summary particularly concerns IEEE 802.15.6, where merged documents are

starting to appear.36.1.2. Q: Regarding 802.15.4g (SmartGrid PHY), 15-09-1587r1 is an interesting summary for

that group.

36.2. IEEE 802.21 (11-09-1295r0)36.2.1. Working on a new PAR for single mode radio.36.2.2. Also want to look at heterogeneous MESH networks.36.2.3. Their future interim meetings will be held with IEEE 802.16.36.2.4. Q: Regarding the heterogeneous MESH networks, will there be a study group creation

request this afternoon.36.2.5. Q: Wouldn’t this be already in scope for IEEE 802.1.36.2.6. A: I don’t know about this.

36.3. IEEE 802 EC Emergency Services Study Group (<https://mentor.ieee.org/802-sg-emergency-services/dcn/09/sg-emergency-services-09-0011-00-ESSG-report-to-802-wgs-es-ecsg-91119-pdf.pdf>)

36.3.1. Visited various plenaries, discussing this project.36.3.2. Thanks to Bruce for his support.36.3.3. The project now has a mailing list and web pages.36.3.4. Reworked PAR and 5Cs which will be refined prior to the March 2010 plenary.36.3.5. We plan to attend all the interims (802.1, 802.16 and 802.11) in January 2010, wherever

they are. We will be seeking assistance with our PAR and 5C.36.3.6. We also hope to discuss with IETF ECRIT, as the two bodies have to work together on

this problem area.36.3.7. Q: On the web page, you have 11 documents, of which there are 4 technical documents. I

have a concern that all of 802 are looking for something above the LLC interface.36.3.8. A: That’s a nice concept.36.3.9. C: Perhaps you could take this back to the 802 group.36.3.10. Q: regarding IETF ECRIT, what steps have you taken with liaison with them.



36.3.11. A: We have had contact with them.36.3.12. Q: So, will you wait until after the next IETF meeting, before continuing with

your PAR.36.3.13. A: No, we’ll proceed with our PAR prior to the March 2010 meeting.36.3.14. Chair: There will be 4 hours of time in the January 2010 meeting for an 802 EC

ES/802.11 joint meeting to pursue this further. We could start a study group within 802.11 itself, but it’s probably too early. Stephen McCann will become a formal liaison between the 802 EC ES and 802.11. The January 2010 meeting will be exclusively for these types of discussion.

36.3.15. Q: Do you have a requirements document?36.3.16. A: We’d like to obtain some requirements from IETF ECRIT. We therefore need

to meet the IETF ECRIT requirements.36.3.17. Q: I think it would be useful to produce such a document prior to the January

2010 joint meeting.36.3.18. A: Yes, I think that’s a reasonable request. We’ll try and do that.

37. Coffee Break

37.1. Chair: It’s now break time at 10:05 EST. Please can we come back to order in 10 minutes.

37.2. No objection to recess.



38. Working Group Motions (11-09-1163r1)

38.1. Old business motions

38.2. Teleconferences (slide #4)38.2.1. Move to approve the following teleconferences

Group Dates Start Time DurationEditors <none scheduled> 12:00 ET (noon) 1 HourTGmb Every Fri, starting Jan 29 to April 2 11:00 ET 1.5 HoursTGp Every Thu 15:00 ET 2 HoursTGs Wed Dec 2; Jan 6, 13 16:00 ET 1.5 Hours

TGu Wed Dec 2, 9, 16; Jan 6, 13 11:00 ET 1 HourTGv Tue Dec 1, 8, 15; Jan 12 12:00 ET (noon) 2 HoursTGz Thu Dec 10; Jan 14 14:00 ET 1 HourTGaa Mon Nov 30; Dec 14; Jan 11 11:00 ET 1.5 HoursTGac Thu Dec 17; Jan 14

Thu Dec 3Thu Dec 17Thu Jan 7

11:00 ET21:00 ET20:00 ET20:00 ET

1 Hour1 Hour1 Hour2 Hours

TGad Thu Dec 10; Jan 7 10:00 ET 2 HoursRegulatory AHC

Thu Dec 10; Jan 7 12:00 ET (noon) 1 Hour

TVWS SG Tue Jan 12 20:00 ET 1 HourARC Tue <none scheduled> 12:00 ET 1 HourJTC1 AHC <none scheduled> QoSMAN SG Thu Jan 14 11:00 ET 1 Hour

38.2.2. Moved: Adrian Stephens, 2nd: Clint Chaplin38.2.3. C: No objection to approving by unanimous consent.

38.3. TGmb (slide #9)38.3.1. TGmb chair: Explained an original motion, which specifies an end date, as opposed to a

start date.38.3.2. Having approved comment resolutions for all of the comments received from the

first working group ballot on P802.11REVmb D1.0, Instruct the editor to prepare Draft 2.0 incorporating these resolutions and, Approve a Working Group Recirculation Ballot to start as soon as possible to last at least 20 days ending, if possible, on Friday, January 8, 2010

asking the question "Should P802.11REVmb D2.0 be forwarded to Sponsor Ballot?"38.3.3. Moved: Matthew Gast, 2nd: Clint Chaplin38.3.4. For: 41, Against: 0, Abstain: 1 (Motion passes 100%)



38.3.5. C: Ballots which are run over the holiday season, sometimes actually help, as the comments are of a better quality.

38.3.6. C: I’d also like to thank the TGmb chair for an excellent explanation of this slightly unusual motion.

38.4. TGs (slide #9)38.4.1. Having approved comment resolutions for all of the comments received from

LB#147 on P802.11s Draft 3.0 as contained in document 11-09/471r23, Instruct the editor to prepare Draft 4.0 incorporating these resolutions and, Approve a Working Group Recirculation Ballot of at least 15 days asking the question “Should P802.11s Draft 4.0 be forwarded to Sponsor Ballot?”

38.4.2. [TGs vote: Moved: Guido Hiertz, 2nd: Dan Harkins, Result: 9, 0, 0]38.4.3. Moved: Theodorus Denteneer, 2nd: Dorothy Stanley38.4.4. Chair: Can you explain the “at least 15 days” phrase?38.4.5. A: If time allows, then I’d like the WG chair to extend the ballot38.4.6. Q: Perhaps if a target end date of Jan 8 2010 could be added please.

38.4.6.1. Motion to amend, by adding a target end date38.4.6.2. Moved John Rosdahl, 2nd Peter Ecclesine38.4.6.3. Moved without objection and by unanimous consent

38.4.7. Having approved comment resolutions for all of the comments received from LB#147 on P802.11s Draft 3.0 as contained in document 11-09/471r23, Instruct the editor to prepare Draft 4.0 incorporating these resolutions and, Approve a Working Group Recirculation Ballot of at least 15 days, with a target close date of Jan 8th 2010, asking the question “Should P802.11s Draft 4.0 be forwarded to Sponsor Ballot?”

38.4.8. For: 41, Against: 0, Abstain: 2 (Motion passes 100%)

38.5. TGaa (slide #9)38.5.1. Move to approve document 09/926r5 as the guiding document describing the work

that needs to be done in 802.11aa and 802.1Qat38.5.2. [TGaa result: Moved: Alex Ashley, 2nd: Graham Smith, Vote: 6-0-3]38.5.3. Moved on behalf of TGaa38.5.4. Background to this motion is presented in document 11-09-0926r5, which has been

updated since the mid-week plenary.38.5.5. Q: Regarding the reference to 802.1, you may want to revise the document.38.5.6. Chair: slide #17, in the delay bound, the units appear to be in msecs and then the note

refers to usecs.38.5.7. A: Yes, this needs to be corrected.38.5.8. Moved without objection and by unanimous consent

38.6. TV Whitespace SG #1 (slide #17)38.6.1. Believing that the PAR and Five Criteria contained in the documents referenced

below meet IEEE-SA guidelines, Request that the PAR and the Five Criteria contained in 11-09/934r8 be posted to the IEEE 802 Executive Committee (EC) agenda for WG 802 preview and EC approval to submit to NesCom.

38.6.2. [In the SG:Moved by Peter Ecclesine, seconded by Carl Kain, Result: unanimous (19 members in the room)]

38.6.3. Moved: Richard Kennedy, 2nd: Peter Ecclesine38.6.4. For: 43, Against: 0, Abstain: 3 (Motion passes 100%)



38.7. TV Whitespace SG #2 (slide #18)38.7.1. Move to extend the TVWS SG to the end of the March plenary38.7.2. Moved on behalf of the TVWS SG, 2nd: Peter Ecclesine38.7.3. For: 47, Against: 0, Abstain: 0 (Motion passes 100%)

38.8. JTC1 Ad Hoc #1 (slide #21)38.8.1. The IEEE 802.11 JTC1 ad hoc and IEEE 802.11 WG recommends to the IEEE 802

ExCom that the letter contained in 11-09-1254r1 be liaised to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6. This letter provides a response to some of the material liaised to the IEEE staff in ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC6 N 14123. The letter should be sent to the SC6 Secretariat. It should also be CC’ed to the individuals and organisations addressed by the e-mail that notified IEEE staff about ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC6 N 14123. IEEE staff should be authorised to make any necessary editorial changes.

38.8.2. Moved: Andrew Myles, 2nd: Peter Ecclesine38.8.3. For: 42, Against: 0, Abstain: 1 (Motion passes 100%)

38.9. JTC1 Ad Hoc #2 (slide #23)38.9.1. The IEEE 802.11 JTC1 ad hoc and IEEE 802.11 WG recommends to IEEE 802

ExCom that the letter contained in 11-09-1273r1 be liaised to ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6. This letter documents recent and planned future activities in the IEEE 802.11 Working Group, flags an intention to submit certain documents to ISO/IEC using the PDSO process, and offers JTC1 and SC6 National Bodies the opportunity to submit comments into the Sponsor Ballot process. The letter should be sent to the SC6 Secretariat. The IEEE 802.11 Working Group Chair should be authorised to make any necessary editorial changes.

38.9.2. Moved: Andrew Myles, 2nd: Ian Sherlock38.9.3. For: 41, Against: 0, Abstain: 1 (Motion passes 100%)

38.10. New business motions

38.11. QoSMAN SG #1 (slide #25)38.11.1. Move to accept the QOSMAN PAR comment resolutions in document

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/09/11-09-1241-03-00qm-qosman-par-comment-resolutions.xls.

38.11.2. Moved: Mike Montemurro, 2nd : Jon Rosdahl38.11.3. For: 41, Against: 0, Abstain: 1 (Motion passes 100%)

38.12. QoSMAN SG #2 (slide #26)38.12.1. Believing that the QoSMAN PAR and Five Criteria contained in the

documents referenced below meet IEEE-SA guidelines, Request that the QoSMAN PAR and the Five Criteria contained in document 11-09-0942-08-00qm-qosman-par-nescom-form-plus-5cs.doc be forwarded to the 802.11 WG for approval of the full Working Group.


38.13. QoSMAN SG #3 (slide #27)38.13.1. Request the IEEE 802 LMSC to extend the 802.11 QoSMAN Study Group.


https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/09/11-09-1241-03-00qm-qosman-par-comment-resolutions.xls

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/09/11-09-1241-03-00qm-qosman-par-comment-resolutions.xls



38.14. TTA Liaison (slide #29)38.14.1. The IEEE 802.11 Working Group requests that the 802 EC maintain a

liaison with TTA in support of ANNEX B 'Technical Cooperation Agreement' of the TTA/IEEE-SA MOU conditional upon the MOU being signed.

38.14.2. Moved: Peter Ecclesine, 2nd : Mike Montemurro38.14.3. For: 39, Against: 0, Abstain: 1 (Motion passes 100%)

39. IEEE 802 WG PAR comments

39.1. The vice-chair presented the following material about IEEE 802 WG PARs:

39.2. IEEE 802.11 comments, feedback and rebuttals:39.2.1. https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/09/11-09-1220-01-0000-wg11-comments-on-802-22-

pars-submitted-nov-2009.ppt 39.2.2. https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/09/11-09-1219-01-0000-wg11-comments-on-802-19-

par-submission-nov-2009.ppt

39.3. Current 802.19 PAR and 5C39.3.1. https://mentor.ieee.org/802.19/dcn/09/19-09-0078-05-tvws-tvws-coexistence-par.doc 39.3.2. https://mentor.ieee.org/802.19/dcn/09/19-09-0081-02-tvws-5cs-with-text-agreed-on-by-

the-sg.doc 39.3.3. Q: I’d like to mention that the VHT SG defined co-existence and indeed IEEE 802.15.2

recommended practices also have one. I’m surprised that the IEEE 802.19 doesn’t know about this, as it was directed by the 802 EC.

39.3.4. Q: The summary is not complete. IEEE 802.19’s definition of co-existence exists within the notes and was not presented by the vice-chair. The emphasis is on the higher layer co-existence. “Mechanism” was a term which was avoided, whereas the term “method” is defined.

39.3.5. Chair: I’d like a straw poll39.3.6. Who favors the approval IEEE 802.19 PAR in its current state.39.3.7. Yes: 5, No: 11, Abstain: 1839.3.8. Q: Would you like a straw poll on the recommended change as presented, as shown in

Rebuttal 3.39.3.9. Who favors the approval IEEE 802.19 PAR in its current state, adopting the

changes in Rebuttal 3, slide #30 (11-09-01219r1).39.3.10. Yes: 6, No: 10, Abstain: 2039.3.11. Chair: I’m sure the EC discussion this afternoon will be very interesting.39.3.12. Q: I know there will be agenda bashing at the start of the EC meeting. Please can

the WG chair ask for the discussions to occur before 15:00 EST please.39.3.13. Chair: Ok, I will try.

39.4. Current IEEE 802.22 PAR and 5C39.4.1. https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/09/22-09-0159-10-0000-modified-ieee-p802-22-par-

and-5c.doc 39.4.2. Q: Please can we have a straw poll on this PAR, before we start talking about 802.22.339.4.3. Who favors the approval IEEE 802.22 PAR in its current state.


https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/09/22-09-0159-10-0000-modified-ieee-p802-22-par-and-5c.doc

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/09/22-09-0159-10-0000-modified-ieee-p802-22-par-and-5c.doc

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.19/dcn/09/19-09-0081-02-tvws-5cs-with-text-agreed-on-by-the-sg.doc

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.19/dcn/09/19-09-0081-02-tvws-5cs-with-text-agreed-on-by-the-sg.doc

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.19/dcn/09/19-09-0078-05-tvws-tvws-coexistence-par.doc

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/09/11-09-1219-01-0000-wg11-comments-on-802-19-par-submission-nov-2009.ppt

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/09/11-09-1219-01-0000-wg11-comments-on-802-19-par-submission-nov-2009.ppt

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/09/11-09-1220-01-0000-wg11-comments-on-802-22-pars-submitted-nov-2009.ppt

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/09/11-09-1220-01-0000-wg11-comments-on-802-22-pars-submitted-nov-2009.ppt


39.4.4. Yes: 1, No: 9, Abstain: 19

39.5. Current IEEE 802.22.3 PAR and 5C39.5.1. https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/09/22-09-0165-08-0000-ieee-p802-22-3-draft-par-

and-5c.doc 39.5.2. Who favors the approval IEEE 802.22.3 PAR in its current state.39.5.3. Yes: 2, No: 15, Abstain: 17

39.6. The full response from IEEE 802.1939.6.1. https://mentor.ieee.org/802.19/dcn/09/19-09-0096-00-tvws-responses-to-comments-on-

the-802-19-1-par.ppt

39.7. The full response from IEEE 802.2239.7.1. 802.22 PAR Doc: 22-09-23639.7.2. (https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/09/22-09-0236-00-0000-responses-to-comments-on-

802-22-par-modification.ppt )

39.8. IEEE 802.22.3 PAR Doc: 22-09-23739.8.1. (https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/09/22-09-0237-00-0000-comment-response-for-802-

22-and-802-22-3-par-5c.ppt )39.9. 39.10. The updated PAR and 5C can be found at:39.11. http://mentor.ieee.org/802.21/dcn/09/21-09-0146-05-0000-single-radio-handovers-par-

and-5c.doc 39.12.39.13. The comments and their resolutions can be found at:39.14. http://mentor.ieee.org/802.21/dcn/09/21-09-0180-01-0000-response-to-comments-for-

802-21c-par.ppt

39.15. Chair: Note, if I’m asked to make changes to PARs at this afternoon’s EC session, I normally don’t do it on the floor. I usually prefer to bring them back to you in the WG body. I feel that any such changes are not seen by the WG until after the EC is over.

39.16. Chair: However, today may be unusual, so I’d like to ask what changes would you be happy with?

39.17. C: I think the purpose and scope should remain the same. Explanatory notes and the 5C are fine to edit.

39.18. C: I think you should have a motion to allow the WG chair to do this. In the EC I don’t think it’s ok to do this, without WG permission.

39.19. Q; What about doing such changes, and then asking for ratification in at the next 802.11 WG face to face.

39.20. Chair; No, that’s not really possible, as too many actions will have occurred (e.g. NesCom), to then go and re-wind.

39.21. C: I also agree with the earlier comments about changing the PARs on the fly during the EC meeting.

39.22. C: I think this is a great idea and move forward, but perhaps it should be done in the context of the P&Ps. I think it’s a strange time to start discussing this, this morning. For example 802.16, 802.19 and 802.22 have now closed for the week at this point.

39.23. Q: Can I move a motion to empower the chair to make changes.39.24. Chair: Sure, but I think we have to more specific.


http://mentor.ieee.org/802.21/dcn/09/21-09-0180-01-0000-response-to-comments-for-802-21c-par.ppt

http://mentor.ieee.org/802.21/dcn/09/21-09-0180-01-0000-response-to-comments-for-802-21c-par.ppt

http://mentor.ieee.org/802.21/dcn/09/21-09-0146-05-0000-single-radio-handovers-par-and-5c.doc

http://mentor.ieee.org/802.21/dcn/09/21-09-0146-05-0000-single-radio-handovers-par-and-5c.doc

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/09/22-09-0237-00-0000-comment-response-for-802-22-and-802-22-3-par-5c.ppt

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/09/22-09-0237-00-0000-comment-response-for-802-22-and-802-22-3-par-5c.ppt

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/09/22-09-0236-00-0000-responses-to-comments-on-802-22-par-modification.ppt

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/09/22-09-0236-00-0000-responses-to-comments-on-802-22-par-modification.ppt

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.19/dcn/09/19-09-0096-00-tvws-responses-to-comments-on-the-802-19-1-par.ppt

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.19/dcn/09/19-09-0096-00-tvws-responses-to-comments-on-the-802-19-1-par.ppt

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/09/22-09-0165-08-0000-ieee-p802-22-3-draft-par-and-5c.doc

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/09/22-09-0165-08-0000-ieee-p802-22-3-draft-par-and-5c.doc


39.25. C: The LMSC rules are on the screen. Please remember that PAR changes should occur by 5pm on Tuesday. The rules want the final versions by Wednesday, and then indeed NesCom quite often want to change the PARs themselves. Therefore the WG chair has to have some latitude in this. Therefore I think we should trust you to make changes for us, otherwise we’ll have to wait for another 4 month cycle.

39.26. C: I also think that chair’s should be allowed to make such changes, on a one time basis only. It should not be a rule change.

39.27. Move to empower the working group chair to make non-substantive changes to the 802.11 PARs and 5Cs, as necessary to obtain approval in the EC.

39.28. Moved: Peter Ecclesine, 2nd: Mike Montemurro39.29. For: 26, Against: 2, Abstain: 4 (Motion passes 92.8%)

40. New topics in the January 2010 agenda

40.1. Energy star & Smart Grid40.2. In both of these cases, there may be future changes required to 802.11 equipment, so

these are important topics. Timeslots have been reserved to discuss these issues.

41. Other New Business

41.1. None

42. Next Meeting

42.1. Chair: So please can I remind you about the next meeting (#119) is in the Hyatt Century Plaza, Los Angeles, California, USA from January 17th – 22nd 2010: http://ieee802.facetoface-events.com/session/62

43. Adjournment

43.1. Chair: I propose to adjourn43.2. The meeting is adjourned without objection at 12:06 EST


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Annex A: Attendance & Affiliation

Name Affiliation

Aboulmagd, Osama Samsung Electronics

Abraham, Santosh Qualcomm Inc.

Aiello, Roberto Independent

Amos, James Aclara

Andrus, David Apple, Inc.

Ariyavisitakul, Sirikiat Broadcom

Armstrong, Lee U.S. Department of Transportation

Asai, Yusuke NTT

Ashley, Alex NDS Limited

Astrin, Arthur Astrin Radio

Bahr, Michael Siemens AG

Banerjea, Raja Marvell Semiconductor, Inc.

Barr, John NICT - National Institute of Information and Communications Technology

Baykas, Tuncer NICT - National Institute of Information and Communications Technology

Beaudoin, Denis Texas Instruments, Inc.

Benko, John Orange-France Telecom

Bims, Harry Bims Laboratories, Inc.

Bohagen, Frode Telenor

Booth, Ted Sony

Borges, Daniel Apple, Inc.

Bourdoux, Andre IMEC

Breit, Gregory Qualcomm Incorporated

Britz, David AT&T

Bumiller, G Research In Motion Limited

Cariou, Laurent orange labs

CHAMBELIN, Philippe THOMSON

Chang, Kapseok ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute

Chaplin, Clint Samsung Electronics

Chen, Lidong NIST

Chen, Yi Philips Electronics

Chen, Yuqin ZTE Corporation

Cheong, Minho ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute

chia, michael Institute for Infocomm Research

Choi, Chang-Soon IHP GmbH



Name Affiliation

Choi, Inhwan LG ELECTRONICS

Choi, In-Kyeong ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute

Choi, Seyeong LG ELECTRONICS

Chu, Liwen STMicroelectronics

Cook, Charles Qwest Communications International Inc.,

Cordeiro, Carlos Intel Corporation

Costa, Xavier NEC Corporation

Cypher, David NIST - National Institute of Standards and Technology

Davydov, Alexey Intel Corporation

de Vegt, Rolf Qualcomm Incorporated

Denteneer, Theodorus Philips Electronics

Ding, Gang Olympus Communication Technology of America, Inc.

Dorsey, John Apple, Inc.

Drennan, Offie Buffalo Technology, Inc.

Durand, Roger Research In Motion Limited

Eastlake, 3rd, Donald Stellar Switches, Inc

Ecclesine, Peter Cisco Systems, Inc.

Emmelmann, Marc Technical University Berlin

Erceg, Vinko Broadcom Corporation

Estevez, Leonardo Texas Instruments, Inc.

Fischer, Matthew Broadcom Corporation

Fisher, Wayne ARINC, Inc.

Fujimoto, Atsushi IWATSU ELECTRIC CO., LTD.

Fwu, Jong-kae Intel Corporation

Gao, Wen Thomson

Gast, Matthew Trapeze Networks

Ghasemi, Amir Communications Research Centre, Canada

GIRAUD, Claude NXP Semiconductors

Glibbery, Ronald Peraso Technology

Gloger, Reinhard Nokia Siemens Networks

Goepfert, Lars ZMDI

Golmie, Nada NIST - National Institute of Standards and Technology

GONG, DANING China Academy of Telecommunications Research (CATR), MIIT

Gong, Michelle Intel Corporation

Gonia, Patrick Honeywell

Gowans, Andrew Ofcom



Name Affiliation

Grandhi, Sudheer InterDigital Communications, LLC

Grigat, Michael Deutsche Telekom AG

Grodzinsky, Mark wilocity

Grow, Robert Intel Corporation

Guo, Jianlin Mitsubishi Electric

Halasz, David Aclara RF

Han, JunGyu PicoCast

Hansen, Christopher Broadcom Corporation

Harada, Hiroshi NICT - National Institute of Information and Communications Technology

Harkins, Dan Aruba Networks, Inc.

Hart, Brian Cisco Systems, Inc.

Hartman, Chris Apple, Inc.

Hassel, Vegard Telenor

Hattig, Myron Intel Corporation

Heidari, Sam Quantenna Communications, Inc.

Hemminger, Rodney Elster Electricity, LLC

Henderson, Gregory Research In Motion Limited

Hiertz, Guido Philips

Hillman, Garth OakTree Wireless

Hong, Seungeun ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute

Hong, Yong-Geun ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute

Hsu, Ju-Lan Samsung Electronics

Huang, Tian-Wei National Taiwan University

Hunter, David Panasonic

Hwang, Sung ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute

Ibrahim, Brima Broadcom Corporation

Iso, Akio NICT - National Institute of Information and Communications Technology

Jacobs, Wynona Broadcom Corporation

Jain, Avinash Qualcomm Incorporated

Jeong, Sanghwa WG802.11

jo, junho LG ELECTRONICS

Jun, Haeyoung Samsung Electronics

Kain, Carl Noblis

Kakani, Naveen Nokia Corporation

Kang, Hyunduk ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute

Karaoguz, Jeyhan Broadcom Corporation



Name Affiliation

Kasher, Assaf Intel Corporation

Kato, Shuzo NICT - National Institute of Information and Communications Technology

Kennedy, Richard Research In Motion Limited

Kenney, John Vehicle Safety Consortium 2 (VSC-2)

Kerry, Stuart OK-Brit

Khine, Thet Radrix Co., Ltd

Kim, Bonghoe LG ELECTRONICS

Kim, dong ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute

Kim, Eunah ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute

Kim, Eung Samsung Electronics

Kim, Joonsuk Broadcom Corporation

Kim, Kyeongpyo ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute

Kim, Youhan Atheros

Kim, Youngsoo Samsung Electronics

Kitazawa, Shoichi ATR Wave Engineering Laboratories

KNECKT, JARKKO Nokia Corporation

Knutson, Paul WG802.11

KOBAYASHI, MARK Broadcom Corporation

Kojima, Fumihide NICT - National Institute of Information and Communications Technology

Kolze, Tom Broadcom Corporation

Kraemer, Bruce Marvell Semiconductor, Inc.

Kuo-Huang, Hsu ITRI

Kurihara, Thomas TKstds Management

Kwak, Joseph InterDigital Communications, LLC

Kwon, Hyoungjin ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute

KWON, UI Samsung Electronics

Lakkis, Ismail Tensorcom, Inc.

Lambert, Paul Marvell Semiconductor, Inc.

Lan, Zhou NICT - National Institute of Information and Communications Technology

Lanante, Leonardo Kyushu Institute of Technology

Lauer, Joseph Broadcom Corporation

Lee, Daewon LG ELECTRONICS

Lee, Jae ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute

Li, Liang Vinno Technologies Inc.

Li, Zexian Nokia Corporation

Liu, Hang Thomson, Inc.



Name Affiliation

Liu, Pei Polytechnic Institute of New York University

Loc, Peter Ralink Technology, Corp.

Lomayev, Artyom Intel Corporation

Lostanlen, Yves SIRADEL

Lynch, Bradley Peraso Technologies

Malarky, Alastair Mark IV Industries, Inc.

Maltsev, Alexander Intel Corporation

Mano, Hiroshi ROOT, Inc.

Marshall, Bill AT&T Labs Research

Maruhashi, Kenichi NEC Corporation

Mccann, Stephen Research In Motion Limited

Mese, Murat Broadcom Corporation

Miller, R AT&T

Miroll, Jochen Saarland University

Montemurro, Michael Research In Motion Limited

Montenegro, Gabriel Microsoft

Moorti, Rajendra Broadcom Corporation

Morioka, Hitoshi ROOT, Inc.

Morioka, Yuichi Sony Corporation

Murabito, Anthony University of New Hampshire InterOperability Laboratory

Murray, Peter Self Employed

Myles, Andrew Cisco

Nadeau, Gerard University of New Hampshire InterOperability Laboratory

Nagao, Yuhei Kyushu Institute of Technology

Nakano, Hiroki Trans New Technology, Inc.

Nakase, Hiroyuki Tohoku University

Nandagopalan, Sai Broadcom Corporation

Niu, Huaning Intel Corporation

Noh, Yujin LG ELECTRONICS

Oh, Seung WG802.11

Orlik, Philip Mitsubishi Electric

Oyama, Satoshi Hitachi

Park, Jaewoo ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute

Park, Jungsoo ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute

Parsons, Glenn Nortel, Ericsson

Perahia, Eldad Intel Corporation



Name Affiliation

petrick, Albert Jones-Petrick and Associates, LLC.

Petro, John National Security Agency

Pirhonen, Riku Nokia Corporation

Ponnampalam, Vishakan MediaTek Inc.

Ptasinski, Henry Broadcom Corporation

Purnadi, Rene Research In Motion Limited

Pustogarov, Ivan IITP RAS

Raab, Jim Dell Inc.

Rahman, Mohammad NICT - National Institute of Information and Communications Technology

Ramamurthy, Harish Marvell Semiconductor, Inc.

Rayment, Stephen BelAir Networks

Reede, Ivan AmeriSys Inc.

Reznik, Alex InterDigital, Inc.

roblot, sandrine Orange Labs

Roh, Dongwook LG ELECTRONICS

Rosdahl, Jon CSR

Sadri, Ali Intel Corporation

Sakamoto, Kentaro Tokyo Gas

Sakoda, Kazuyuki Sony Corporation

Salowey, Joseph Cisco Systems, Inc.

Sawada, Hirokazu Tohoku University

Schmidt, Michael Atmel Corporation

Schwoerer, Jean France Telecom

Seo, Jiyoung WG802.11

Seok, Yongho LG Electronics

Shao, Huairong Samsung Electronics

Sharma, Rakesh IBM

Shellhammer, Stephen Qualcomm Incorporated

Shen, Bazhong Broadcom Corporation

Sherlock, Ian Texas Instruments, Inc.

shi, yang H3C

SHIBAGAKI, Nobuhiko Hitachi

Shukla, Ashish Marvell

Simon, Francois ARINC, Inc.

Singh, Shubhranshu Samsung Electronics

Smith, Graham DSP Group



Name Affiliation

Song, Jae-Hyung LG ELECTRONICS

Song, Myung ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute

Srikanteswara, Srikanthyayani Intel Corporation

Stacey, Robert Intel Corporation

Stanley, Dorothy Aruba Networks, Inc.

Stephens, Adrian Intel Corporation

Stephenson, David Cisco Systems, Inc.

Stine, John self

STRUTT, GUENAEL Motorola, Inc.

Sum, Chin-Sean NICT - National Institute of Information and Communications Technology

Taghavi, Mohammad Qualcomm Incorporated

Takatori, Yasushi NTT

Tarighat, Alireza Broadcom Corporation

THOMSON, ALLAN Cisco Systems, Inc.

Thrasher, Jerry Lexmark International Inc.

Tokubo, Eric Motorola, Inc.

Toyoda, Ichihiko NTT

Trachewsky, Jason Broadcom Corporation

Trainin, Solomon Intel Corporation

Tsao, Jean Hysignal

Tu, Yung-Szu Ralink Technology, Corp.

Um, Jungsun ETRI - Electronics and Telecommunications Research Institute

Umehira, Masahiro Ibaraki University

Van Erven, Niels 3Com Corporation

Van Nee, Richard Qualcomm Incorporated

Van Zelst, Allert Qualcomm Incorporated

Varshney, Prabodh Nokia Corporation

Venkatesan, Ganesh Intel Corporation

Vermani, Sameer Qualcomm Incorporated

Virk, Bhupender Procubed

Vlantis, George STMicroelectronics

Wang, Chao-Chun MediaTek Inc.

Wang, Haiguang Insttitute for Infocomm Research (I2R)

Wang, Junyi NICT - National Institute of Information and Communications Technology

Wang, Qi Broadcom Corporation

Wang, Quan ChongQing University of Posts and Telecomunications



Name Affiliation

Wentink, Menzo Qualcomm

Woo, Pyo NICT - National Institute of Information and Communications Technology

Worstell, Harry AT&T

Yang, Liuyang Intel Corporation

Yao, Steve ITT Corporation

Yee, Peter NSA/IAD

Yin, Hujun Intel coporation

Zaks, Artur Texas Instruments, Inc.

Zhang, Hongyuan Marvell

Zhang, Lei ZTE Corporation

Zhang, Ning Atheros Communications Inc.

Zhao, Meiyuan Intel Corporation

Zhao, Shiwei Atheros Communications Inc.

Zhu, Chunhui Samsung Electronics

Ziegler, John Octoscope



Annex B : Working Group Officers

Name Position Phone, eMAIL & Affiliation

BRUCE KRAEMER

IEEE 802.11 WORKING GROUP

(WG) CHAIRMarvell Semiconductor, Inc

Mail: c/o: Marvell Semiconductor,

Inc.5488 Marvell

Lane, Santa Clara, CA

95054

Phone: +1 (321) 427-4098

Fax: +1 (321) 751-3988

[email protected]

JONROSDAHL

WORKING GROUP - 1ST VICE-CHAIR /

TREASURERCSR

Policies & Treasury+1 (801) 756-1496

[email protected]

ADRIANSTEPHENS

WORKING GROUP - 2ND VICE-CHAIR Intel Corporation (UK) Ltd.

Attendance, Ballots, Documentation &

Voting

Tel: +44 1954 204 609 (office) Tel: +44 792 008 4900 (mobile)

[email protected]

STEPHENMCCANN

WORKING GROUP - SECRETARY &

PUBLICITYResearch in Motion (RIM) UK

Ltd

Minutes, Reports, & Communications

+44 1753 667099

[email protected]

TERRYCOLE

WORKING GROUP - TECHNICAL EDITOR

Standard & Amendment(s) Coordination

Working Group - ANA LEAD

802.11 Assigned Numbers Authority [email protected]


TEIK-KHEONG "TK" TAN

WNG STANDING COMMITTEE - CHAIR GCT Semiconductor, Inc.

Wireless Next Generations

+1 (408) [email protected]

DAVID BAGBYARC Ad-Hoc - CHAIR Calypso Ventures, Inc.

802.11 Architecture +1 (650) [email protected]

ANDREW MYLES

JTC1 Ad-Hoc - CHAIR Cisco Systems

ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6 +61 2 [email protected]

RICH KENNEDY

REG Ad-Hoc - CHAIR Research In Motion

802.11 Regulatory Ad Hoc Committee



MATTHEW GAST

TASK GROUP MB - CHAIR Trapeze Networks

802.11 Accumulated Maintenance Changes

+1 (925) 474-2273

[email protected]

LEEARMSTRONG

TASK GROUP P - CHAIR

US Department of Transportation

Wireless Access for the Vehicular



mailto:[email protected]












Environment

DONALD E.EASTLAKE 3RD

TASK GROUP S - CHAIR (ACTING) Stellar Switches

Mesh Networking(802.11s Amendment)

[email protected]

STEPHENMCCANN

TASK GROUP U - CHAIR

Research in Motion (RIM) UK Ltd

InterWorking with External Networks

(802.11u Amendment)

+44 1753 667099

[email protected]

DOROTHY V. STANLEY

TASK GROUP V - CHAIR Aruba Networks

Wireless Network Management

(802.11v Amendment)

+1( 630) 363-1389

[email protected]

MENZO WENTINK

TASK GROUP Z - CHAIR Qualcomm Netherlands

Direct Link Setup(802.11z Amendment)

+31 65 183 6231

[email protected]

GANESHVENKATESAN

Task Group aa - CHAIR Intel Corporation

802.11 Video Transport Streams


OSAMA ABOUL-MAGD

Task Group ac - Chair Nortel Networks

802.11 Very High Throughput < 6 GHz

+1 613-763-5827

[email protected]

ELDAD PERAHIA

Task Group ad - Chair Intel Corporation

802.11 Very High Throughput 60 GHz

+1 (503) 712-8081

[email protected]

MICHAEL MONTEMURRO

Task Group ae - Chair (pro-tem) Research In Motion

QoS for Management Frames

+1-905-629-4746 x14999

[email protected]

RICH KENNEDY

Task Group af - Chair (pro-tem) Research In Motion

802.11 TV White Spaces













Annex C : Minutes

This Annex contains references to all IEEE 802.11 SC/TG/SG & Ad Hoc Committee (AHC) minutes from this meeting. Please note that they are NOT subject to the approval of these minutes, but are confirmed and approved by their individual group in the opening meeting at their next session.

WG TE 09-1158r0TGMB TGC 09-1190r0TGP TGC 09-1256r2TGS TGC 09-1223r0TGU TGC 09-1171r0TGV TGC 09-1166r0TGZ TGC 09-1198r0

TGAA TGC 09-1270r0TGAC TGC 09-1285r0TGAD TGC 09-1118r0

WNG SC SCC 09-1208r0JTC1 AHC AHG 09-1228r0REG AHC AHG 09-xxxxr0QoSMAN SGC 09-1209r0

TVWS SGC 09-xxxxr0

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