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DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA+ + + + +ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CONTROL BOARD+ + + + +MEETING

þ----------------------------»IN THE MATTER OF: : :H Street Festival :t/a TBD : Fact Finding : HearingH Street Main Street :Rock N Roll Hotel :Sticky Rice :Chupacabra :Taylor Gourmet :H Street Playhouse :Impala :Chicken Tortilla :Shawafel :Dangerously Delicious :H & Pizza :Boundary Road Restaurant :Vendetta :H Street Country Club :SOL Mexican Grill :

Da Luft Restaurant & Lounge :Drane Flannery Restaurant :Smith Commons :Biergartenhaus :The Pug :Star and the Shamrock :Atlas Performing Arts Center :

Granville Moore's Brickyard :Red Rocks :Queen Vic :Little Miss Whiskey :Twelve Restaurant & Lounge : :License Nos. :

93159, 93160, 93161, 93182, :93179, 93175, 93170, 93169, :93149, 87422, 89158, 86320, :


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72734, 92192, 87780, 87389, :

84598, 83695, 73166, 72777, :

81804, 72783, 85207, 72792, :

90997, 76649, 83930, 79090, :

76366 :

:

Case No. :

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September 19, 2013

The Alcoholic Beverage Control

Board met in Alcoholic Beverage Control

Hearing Room, Reeves Building, 2000 14th

Street N.W., Washington, D.C., Chairperson

Ruthanne Miller presiding.

PRESENT:

RUTHANNE MILLER, Chairperson

NICK ALBERTI, Member

DONALD BROOKS, Member

ALSO PRESENT:

ABYIE GHENENE, ABRA Investigator

ERIN MATHIESON, ABRA Investigator


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1 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S

2 4:33 p.m.

3 CHAIRPERSON MILLER: Good

4 afternoon, everybody. We're now on the record

5 for a fact finding hearing for the H Street

6 Festival. My name is Ruthanne Miller. I'm

7 the Chairperson of the ABC Board.

8 To my far right is Mr. Donald

9 Brooks and to my immediate right is Mr. Nick

10 Alberti. Many of you may know Mr. Alberti, he

11 lives in your neighborhood.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: Thanks.

13 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. So we've

14 called you all in for a fact finding hearing

15 because I understand that the festival is

16 Saturday. And so we want to make sure that

17 everything goes right and that we have a

18 chance to scrutinize your applications.

19 We've already looked at your

20 applications, but if we have questions, and

21 that you understand the general concerns and

22 what it means to comply.


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1 I think there is a mix of

2 establishments and individuals who are getting

3 licenses, and that it is not even across the

4 board. In any event, like all festivals, we

5 want you to have a great time.

6 But we're most concerned about

7 safety, and I'm sure you are, too. So I know

8 this is a very large area, and I've heard that

9 it's double that of last year's.

10 So we're going to be looking at

11 things like security and how you are complying

12 with not serving anyone who is underage and

13 that you know what the rules are and that you

14 have plans how to avoid over crowding and any

15 other kind of problems.

16 So what I first want to do is

17 start with who is here, actually. So I see

18 that someone has come to the table. I would

19 love you to introduce yourself for the record,

20 to start with.

21 MS. YAP: Sure, my name is Wuiping

22 Yap and I'm representing H Street Festival,


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1 the main organizer of the festival as H Street

2 Main Street. My counterpart and the director

3 is parking downstairs, so I apologize for him

4 not being here right away.

5 CHAIR MILLER: Is that Mr. Saleem?

6 MS. YAP: Yes.

7 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. Good, okay.

8 MS. YAP: And the reason we're up

9 here, we want to explain the festival to you,

10 first because it applies the general

11 information to everybody who is participating.

12 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, that's great.

13 We thought we would like to hear from you at

14 the beginning, as well.

15 MS. YAP: Would it be okay for me

16 to go ahead and start without Mr. Saleem, or

17 do you --

18 CHAIR MILLER: I think that the

19 other idea we had which, you know, might not

20 be a little bit tricky logistically, but while

21 we're waiting for Mr. Saleem, we thought that

22 we would like to know who's here because we do


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1 have, like, 29 applications to consider.

2 So I'm thinking that people, if

3 they could come and introduce themselves

4 briefly, just name and if you're with any, you

5 know, business or anything.

6 MS. YAP: May I suggest we do a

7 roll call?

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes, I was going

9 to just suggest we do a roll call.

10 MS. YAP: Okay. All right, yes.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: And I think we

12 actually have a list of licensees. So we'll,

13 I think --

14 CHAIR MILLER: That's a great

15 idea.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- Ms. Miller,

17 you could probably do that.

18 CHAIR MILLER: I would be happy to

19 do it, if that's okay.

20 MS. YAP: Okay.

21 CHAIR MILLER: Yes, maybe that

22 would be better, logistically. Okay. So


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1 you're with H Street Main Street?

2 MS. YAP: Yes, ma'am.

3 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. Could you

4 repeat your name, again?

5 MS. YAP: My name is Wuiping Yap,

6 last name Y-A-P.

7 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, great. Jason

8 Martin? Okay. Go ahead.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: Who are you with?

10 MR. MARTIN: Rock N Roll Hotel,

11 Sticky Rice, and Chupacabra.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, great.

13 CHAIR MILLER: Wait, no you need

14 to repeat it for the court reporter. He needs

15 to come up.

16 COURT REPORTER: If we're going to

17 do a role call like this, people need to come

18 up closer so I can hear them.

19 CHAIR MILLER: So if you don't

20 mind, just --

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes.

22 MR. MARTIN: Hello, Jason Martin.


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1 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, and you're

2 here on behalf of whom?

3 MR. MARTIN: Rock N Roll Hotel,

4 Sticky Rice, and Chupacabra.

5 CHAIR MILLER: Rock N Roll Hotel,

6 is that what you said?

7 MR. MARTIN: Yes.

8 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. All right,

9 that's all we need for now. David Hahn?

10 MR. HAHN: Yes, I am David Hahn

11 here representing Taylor Gourmet.

12 CHAIR MILLER: Taylor Gourmet,

13 okay. Great, thank you. All right, H Street

14 Main Street Playhouse?

15 MR. HANKINS: I think it's H

16 Street Playhouse.

17 CHAIR MILLER: I'm sorry. It's

18 written that way. H Street Playhouse, I'll

19 correct that.

20 MR. HANKINS: Frank Hankins

21 representing the H Street Playhouse.

22 CHAIR MILLER: What's your name?


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1 MR. HANKINS: Frank Hankins, H-A-

2 N-K-I-N-S.

3 CHAIR MILLER: Great, thank you.

4 MR. HANKINS: Thank you.

5 CHAIR MILLER: Impala?

6 MR. HOLT: Hi, I'm Ian Holt.

7 CHAIR MILLER: What's --

8 MR. HOLT: Ian Holt, H-O-L-T, with

9 Impala.

10 CHAIR MILLER: Ian Holt?

11 MR. HOLT: Yes.

12 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, thank you.

13 Eduardo Migues?

14 MR. MIGUES: Eddie Migues

15 representing Chicken Tortilla.

16 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, you said

17 Chicken Tortilla.

18 MR. MIGUES: Yes.

19 CHAIR MILLER: Did you say another

20 place?

21 MR. MIGUES: What?

22 CHAIR MILLER: Did you say another


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1 place, or just --

2 MR. MIGUES: No. Chicken

3 Tortilla.

4 CHAIR MILLER: Just Chicken

5 Tortilla, thank you. Alberto Sisi?

6 MR. SISI: Alberto Sisi

7 representing Shawafel.

8 CHAIR MILLER: Representing what?

9 MR. SISI: Shawafel.

10 CHAIR MILLER: Oh yes, right.

11 Shawafel. Okay, thank you. Dangerously

12 Delicious?

13 MR. RUSSELL: Kyle Russell

14 representing Dangerously Delicious.

15 CHAIR MILLER: Great, thank you.

16 H & Pizza?

17 MS. RAPPAPORT: Hi, good evening.

18 Risa Rappaport representing H & Pizza.

19 CHAIR MILLER: Great, thank you

20 very much. Someone here representing Boundary

21 Road Restaurant?

22 MS. O'HARA: Jenny O'Hara for


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1 Boundary Road.


3 Someone here representing Vendetta?

4 MR. ZERVOS: Hi.

5 CHAIR MILLER: Hi.

6 MR. ZERVOS: Blair Zervos for

7 Vendetta and the H Street Country Club.

8 CHAIR MILLER: And could you spell

9 your last name?

10 MR. ZERVOS: Yes. Z as in zebra,

11 E-R-V as in Victor, O-S as in Samuel.

12 CHAIR MILLER: And you're

13 representing H Street Country Club, as well?

14 MR. ZERVOS: Yes, correct.

15 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, great. Thank

16 you.

17 MR. ZERVOS: You're welcome.

18 CHAIR MILLER: SOL Mexican Grill?

19 MR. POSTIGO: Hi, I'm Fernando

20 Postigo representing the SOL Mexican Grill.

21 CHAIR MILLER: Can you spell your

22 last name, please?


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1 MR. POSTIGO: P-O-S-T-I-G-O.


3 MR. POSTIGO: Thanks.

4 CHAIR MILLER: Da Luft Restaurant

5 and Lounge? Okay, I'm not seeing anybody here

6 from that one. Drane Flannery Restaurant?

7 MR. FLANNERY: Eric Flannery, and

8 you probably know us better as the Big Board,

9 that's our doing business.

10 CHAIR MILLER: That I don't know.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: I do. He's from

12 the Big Board.

13 CHAIR MILLER: Big Board, okay.

14 Smith Commons?

15 MR. GRAY: Hello, Miles Gray,

16 Smith Commons.

17 MR. PETERS: And Phil Peters,

18 Smith Commons.

19 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. You're both

20 Collins is both your last name? No.

21 MR. GRAY: No, Miles Gray, M-I-L-

22 E-S, G-R-A-Y.


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1 CHAIR MILLER: Miles Gray and?

2 MR. PETERS: Phil Peters.

3 CHAIR MILLER: Jill Peters, great.

4 Okay, thank you very much. ANA Restaurant

5 Group?

6 MR. MCGOVERN: It's supposed to be

7 Biergartenhaus. I don't know why it's on

8 there like that.

9 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. It's

10 supposed to be Biergarten?

11 MR. MCGOVERN: Yes.

12 CHAIR MILLER: Okay.

13 MR. MCGOVERN: My name is Aaron

14 McGovern.

15 CHAIR MILLER: Aaron McGovern,

16 okay. Thank you.

17 MR. MCGOVERN: Thanks.

18 CHAIR MILLER: All right. The

19 Pug/Toki Underground?

20 MR. TOMELDEN: Arthur Tomelden, T-

21 O-M-E-L-D-E-N. That's the Pug, it's not a

22 dive bar.


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1 CHAIR MILLER: Arthur --

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: It's a great

3 place. I went there as a Councilman.

4 CHAIR MILLER: Arthur Timdel, is

5 that what you said?

6 MR. TOMELDEN: Tomelden, T-O-M-E-

7 L-D-E-N.

8 CHAIR MILLER: D-E-N.

9 MR. TOMELDEN: And we won't be

10 here until 1:30, right?

11 CHAIR MILLER: I don't think so.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: No.

13 CHAIR MILLER: We won't.

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: That's an inside

15 joke. He can explain it later.

16 CHAIR MILLER: All right, I know

17 that the person representing Rock N Roll is

18 already here, right? Because I remember.

19 Okay. Star and the Shamrock?

20 MR. MENARD: Mark Menard.

21 CHAIR MILLER: Good afternoon.

22 MR. MENARD: Good afternoon. I'm


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1 Mark Menard.

2 CHAIR MILLER: Mark Menard?

3 MR. MENARD: Yes.

4 CHAIR MILLER: All right, thank

5 you.

6 MR. MENARD: Thank you.

7 CHAIR MILLER: I recall someone

8 already saying they were representing Sticky

9 Rice, correct?

10 FEMALE PARTICIPANT: Yes.

11 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. Atlas

12 Performing Arts Center?

13 MS. ROBINSON: Hi, I'm Anastasia

14 Robinson.


16 Granville Moore's Brickyard? Okay, they're

17 not here right now. We'll see if they come

18 later. Red Rocks?

19 MR. FULKROAD: Hi. Kenneth

20 Fulkroad on behalf of Red Rocks.

21 CHAIR MILLER: Kenneth, what's

22 your last name?


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1 MR. FULKROAD: Spelled F-U-L-K-R-

2 O-A-D.


4 you.

5 MR. FULKROAD: Thank you.

6 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, I think Mr.

7 Zervos is representing H Street Country Club,

8 correct?

9 MR. ZERVOS: Yes.

10 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. Queen Vic?

11 MR. GORDON: Queen Vic, Ryan

12 Gordon.

13 CHAIR MILLER: Ryan Warden?

14 MR. GORDON: Gordon, G-O-R-D-O-N.

15 CHAIR MILLER: G-O-R-D-E-N?

16 MR. GORDON: G-O-R-D-O-N.

17 CHAIR MILLER: Got it, Gordon.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: Gordon.

19 MR. GORDON: Awesome.

20 CHAIR MILLER: Thank you. All

21 right, Little Miss Whiskey?

22 MR. THORP: M-A-R-K, T-H-O-R-P.


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1 CHAIR MILLER: Thank you very

2 much. And Twelve Restaurant & Lounge?

3 MR. GIBSON: Good evening.

4 Bernard Gibson.

5 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, great. Now

6 is there anybody here whose name I didn't call

7 or whose establishment I didn't call?

8 MS. YAP: We have two other

9 representatives on behalf of H Street

10 Festival. Would you like them to come up and

11 identify themselves?

12 CHAIR MILLER: Mr. Saleem is here

13 now?

14 MS. YAP: Yes.

15 CHAIR MILLER: Yes.

16 MS. YAP: And then we have another

17 person.

18 MR. AHN: Hi there. My name's

19 Paul Ahn, A-H-N, with H Street Main Street.

20 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. So in

21 general, the way we're going to proceed is

22 we're going to hear about the festival in


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1 general from Mr. Saleem.

2 And then if there's anything else

3 you will need to add, that will be fine at

4 this point to get the overview of the

5 festival. I think and then we may give some -

6 - yes, sir?

7 You won't be on the mic unless you

8 come forward, though. So you'll have to come

9 forward to the mic.

10 MR. GRAY: Okay. I'm not familiar

11 with this type of hearing or the proceeding,

12 but is it possible since we're right across

13 the street from Granville Moore's, that if

14 there's any information that needs to be

15 conveyed or you need a representative, that I

16 could fill in as their representative? With

17 them not being here.

18 CHAIR MILLER: Well --

19 MR. GRAY: I'm just asking.

20 CHAIR MILLER: You can give them

21 information, but I think --

22 MR. GRAY: I think he might be out


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1 of town.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: What's your

3 affiliation with Granville Moore?

4 MR. GRAY: They're right across

5 the street from us, so you know, we obviously

6 have a natural interaction. I worked with

7 Teddy on D.C. Beer week this past year, which

8 went very well.

9 We had a large social

10 responsibility component built in. I just

11 want to make sure that they can possibly

12 proceed through this hearing with me as a

13 representative, if possible.


15 MR. GRAY: If at all you can give

16 that consideration.

17 CHAIR MILLER: What's your name?

18 MR. GRAY: Miles Gray.

19 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. What I was

20 going to say is there are some general things,

21 after we hear about the festival in general,

22 we're going to make some general statements


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1 that would apply to everybody.

2 And then we're going to look at

3 different applications and groups of

4 applications.

5 So it kind of depends how good his

6 application is or whatever, I mean, what kind

7 of questions we might have. So I can't give

8 you a specific answer right this second.

9 MR. GRAY: Certainly understand.

10 Appreciate the consideration.

11 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, so hold on.

12 So what's your name again? Miles?

13 MR. GRAY: Miles Gray, M-I-L-E-S,

14 G-R-A-Y.

15 CHAIR MILLER: Right. For

16 Granville.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: And you are

18 actually representing whom?

19 MR. GRAY: Smith Commons. Right

20 across the street.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Smith Commons,

22 okay.


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1 CHAIR MILLER: Did they authorize

2 you to represent them or anything?

3 MR. GRAY: No, we've done a lot of

4 --

5 CHAIR MILLER: We just want it on

6 the record.

7 MR. GRAY: I'm sorry. No, we

8 worked together a lot in the past. I just

9 want to make sure that they're able to proceed

10 through this hearing.

11 CHAIR MILLER: All right, so

12 you're watching out for them. Okay. All

13 right. Do you want to introduce yourself for

14 the record, sir?

15 MR. SALEEM: Yes, good evening.

16 My name is Anwar Saleem.

17 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, and then our

18 investigators, do you want to introduce

19 yourselves for the record?

20 MR. GHENENE: ABRA Investigator

21 Abyie Ghenene.

22 MS. MATHIESON: And ABRA


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1 Investigator Erin Mathieson.


3 All right, I don't know. Is it Ms. Yap or Mr.

4 Saleem who wants to give us the overview of

5 the festival?

6 MR. SALEEM: I will. First of all

7 --

8 CHAIR MILLER: Let me just say,

9 it's almost ten of five. So we're going to

10 watch the time a little bit. So we're really

11 interested in, like, you know, just a three

12 minute or whatever overview.

13 MR. SALEEM: Okay.


15 MR. SALEEM: First of all, I want

16 to apologize for being late. This is the

17 eighth H Street Festival that I've hosted.

18 And we don't use it basically, name it as a

19 festival.

20 It's name is a festival because

21 it's the best name. But we use it as a

22 marketing tool to help enrich and strengthen


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1 the H Street quarter.

2 And with that, our festival, we

3 have been able to attract people like Daily

4 Rider, C.A.T. Walk Boutique and many other

5 businesses who started off as a vendor, and

6 they end up in the brick and mortar.

7 Not only that, you had that just

8 going up and down H Street with some of the

9 vendors that started off as vendors, and now

10 they're opening up as brick and mortars, as

11 restaurants, and bars.

12 We basically are sought after and

13 known all over the country right now because

14 of our work and our uniqueness of running a

15 festival.

16 It was named the best festival for

17 the last three years. And USA Today named us,

18 and they mentioned the festival as one of the

19 catalysts of being named, ranked number one of

20 becoming most up and coming commercial

21 districts in the country, we're ranked number

22 one because of that.


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1 Forbes Magazine, right after the

2 festival, named us the sixth hippest quarter

3 in the country, and they named the festival

4 again because of our uniqueness and our

5 approach to really having festivals.

6 This year, also, the National

7 Trust for Historic Preservation named us a

8 great American Main Street. And that's a

9 national award. And we received the highest

10 score.

11 In their 25 year history, we

12 received the highest score in regards to

13 revitalization. Again, we use the festival as

14 a revitalization tool, not just as a festival.

15 And it's used to bring people, basically, down

16 to H Street.

17 It's served as a Black Friday for

18 many of our businesses. It's the highest

19 earning day of the year. Not only that, our

20 residential areas strengthen themselves by the

21 number of people in reference to the vacancies

22 in their residential units.


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1 CHAIR MILLER: Thank you.

2 MR. SALEEM: Thank you.

3 CHAIR MILLER: Ms. Yap, did you

4 have something to add?

5 MS. YAP: Yes, I just want to fill

6 in the general information that the festival

7 is on Saturday from 12:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m.

8 And all the businesses were

9 required to provide Certificate of Occupancy

10 part of their application because we're a

11 street festival.

12 We do have all the permits

13 necessary to shut the street, so it's not on

14 them to provide that information to you. It's

15 on us, so we want to do a blanket notification

16 that we have that for them.

17 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. Do Board

18 members have some questions for Mr. Saleem,

19 Anwar Saleem?

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes, I do.

21 CHAIR MILLER: Go ahead.

22 MEMBER ALBERTI: Hello.


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1 MR. SALEEM: Hello.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: And Ms. Yap,

3 welcome. First of all, I wish you guys the

4 greatest success. I'm there every year. It's

5 great, I love it. And I have a, since that's

6 my neighborhood, a vested interest in seeing

7 it be successful.

8 So we're actually here to help.

9 You know, everybody wants to have a good time.

10 Everybody wants to make a profit, and

11 everybody wants this to continue.

12 So we want to make sure it goes

13 off without a hitch, and that you can keep

14 going for years to come.

15 So Anwar, I want to ask you some

16 basic questions which will help in our review

17 of the licenses that we have, and maybe short

18 circuit some of the questions that we have so

19 we can get people out of here quicker.

20 So first of all, I want to

21 clarify, all the service of alcohol's going to

22 be done by licensed vendors, individual


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1 licensed vendors and there will be no alcohol

2 in, I'll say, the common area of the festival,

3 outside the confines of the licensed

4 establishments, the licensed areas, is that

5 correct?

6 MR. SALEEM: That's correct.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: Do you have

8 volunteers or staff walking around to ensure

9 that no alcohol is being, that you're seeing

10 any alcohol?

11 MR. SALEEM: Well, we have two.

12 We have the Metropolitan Police this year,

13 which we are invoicing around $8,000. If we

14 don't have enough police out there, we also

15 have 230 volunteers to date signed up.

16 And we've been meeting with them

17 along the way up to this date. So they're

18 just not shallow volunteers, they are

19 volunteers coming out for work, also from the

20 Marine base.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right, so who

22 do they contact if they see something amiss?


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1 MR. SALEEM: We have a volunteer

2 tent in the 900 block of H street, right next

3 to the scene and that's our volunteer tent.

4 It's centrally located.

5 We all have walkie talkies. Those

6 walkie talkies would be centralized to the

7 scene so we would be on the same channel. And

8 we have block coordinators and we have a lead

9 volunteer that would handle those concerns.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. And so

11 they're given instructions not only about

12 alcohol service, but are they given --

13 MR. SALEEM: Overall --

14 MEMBER BROOKS: Are they briefed

15 on security issues and --

16 MR. SALEEM: On security issues,

17 yes. We have met with Tony with the

18 Metropolitan Police Department, and we have

19 been briefed and they have briefed us and we

20 told them basically what we want. And there's

21 going to be no tolerance in reference to the

22 rules of the festival.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: Great.

2 MS. YAP: May I add?

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: Sure.

4 MS. YAP: Everybody also have

5 wristbands. We all have our individual

6 wristbands and ways of carding people and

7 having alcohol. Nobody should have any cups

8 outside of the festival grounds or where the

9 alcohol is.

10 So all our volunteers are being

11 informed that should they see anybody that is

12 suspicious drinking with no wristband or they

13 just simply look suspicious walking around

14 with a cup of alcohol, the first thing we do

15 is report back to the command center, and then

16 we will inform MPD officer on site

17 immediately.

18 That's the policy we've installed

19 and we'll train every shift of volunteers that

20 come in with that basic information.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Great. Now just

22 logistics, I have some questions on logistics


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1 which are -- it's a little confusing to me.

2 So the event goes basically the gates open at

3 12:00.

4 You're set up before that, but

5 gates open at 12:00. And it says all

6 activities stop at 7:00 a.m.

7 MS. YAP: P.m.

8 MEMBER BROOKS: 7:00 p.m.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: I mean 7:00 p.m.,

10 I'm sorry.

11 MS. YAP: We can go until next

12 day.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: So we have, for

14 the majority of the people that are here, they

15 are extending out on to the sidewalk, right?


17 MEMBER ALBERTI: So in general, I

18 see a lot of applications where they're

19 allowed to go from a front of a building, I'm

20 not talking about going across because that

21 varies by licensee, but they're allowed to go

22 from the front of the building into the curb


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1 lane? Is that right?

2 MR. SALEEM: Yes, from the front

3 of the building to the first parking lot, the

4 white line in the parking, they can't go past

5 the first white line.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Past the first

7 parking lane.

8 MR. SALEEM: Right.

9 MS. YAP: Eight feet.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: Where the end of

11 the bulb --

12 MR. SALEEM: It's eight feet.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: The bulb outs

14 define the parking lane and they can't go past

15 there?

16 MR. SALEEM: That's correct, they

17 can't go past the bulb-out.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right. Is

19 that true for everybody?

20 MR. SALEEM: True for everybody.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: So you're giving,

22 the public space is being allocated that way


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1 to all the vendors?

2 MR. SALEEM: Everyone who applied

3 and we set the place. And then we have a ten

4 foot lane in the middle of the street with a

5 20 foot fire lane that we must have. And then

6 we have another walking area along the other

7 side of the ten foot lane.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: So I'm seeing

9 various ending hours for some of these

10 applicants. So it's a little confusing to me,

11 and I want to find out in general what's

12 happening with respect to your plans.

13 So at 7 o'clock, what happens to

14 that space they're allocated?

15 MR. SALEEM: Everything must shut

16 down, according to the festival. According to

17 the festival, everything must shut down at 7

18 o'clock.

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: So does that mean

20 in terms of your expectations, for example, I

21 can't remember which, some establishments have

22 established summer gardens, okay?


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1 MR. SALEEM: Yes.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: Does that mean

3 that they have to return to their established,

4 I misspoke. Some of these licensees have

5 sidewalk cafes.

6 MR. SALEEM: Yes.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: So does that mean

8 that if they have a sidewalk cafe, they have

9 to pull everything back to the confines of

10 their sidewalk cafe?

11 MR. SALEEM: Yes, they do.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: At 7 o'clock?

13 MR. SALEEM: Yes they do.

14 Everything on the street side definitely have

15 to pull off, because we have to clear the

16 streets. We have to clear the streets by 10

17 o'clock.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: And that portion

19 of the sidewalk that's not part of their

20 current license?

21 MR. SALEEM: Yes.

22 MEMBER ALBERTI: So if they don't


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1 have a sidewalk cafe, your expectation is that

2 they would cease operation, there would be no

3 customers, and they would start to close down?


5 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. Okay, just

6 so that I know what to expect when I'm looking

7 at these applications.

8 MS. YAP: We provide majority of

9 the equipment, and we will pull the equipment

10 at 7:00.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: Great. Very

12 good. This is helpful. I just want to make

13 sure. And I don't have to ask everybody the

14 same question. This is very helpful to me.

15 I think that's all the questions I

16 have of the organizers right now.

17 CHAIR MILLER: Mr. Brooks, did you

18 have any?

19 MEMBER BROOKS: No. I don't have

20 anything.

21 CHAIR MILLER: I just want to know

22 if are there any uniform rules that the


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1 festival has that applies to the service of

2 alcohol by the individual establishments?

3 MR. SALEEM: Yes. The individual

4 establishments must be fenced in. They must -

5 -

6 CHAIR MILLER: Have what?

7 MR. SALEEM: They must be fenced

8 in their confined area.


10 MR. SALEEM: They must be fenced

11 in, they have to ID their patrons according to

12 the rules of this body.


14 MR. SALEEM: And they have to

15 follow those regulations. At 7:00, they must

16 cease and desist all activity in reference to

17 the gardens that's on the street side.

18 And all gates will come up at that

19 time, so there will be no type of protection

20 to define who you serve after that, so you

21 would be basically serving off the street if

22 you did, violating the rules of this


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1 organization.

2 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. So I thought

3 I heard Ms. Yap mention wrist bands. Did you?

4 MR. SALEEM: Yes.

5 CHAIR MILLER: I mean, is there a

6 festival rule that says that all the

7 establishments must use wrist bands to

8 indicate a legal age?

9 MR. SALEEM: No.

10 CHAIR MILLER: No.

11 MR. SALEEM: No, because they're

12 not walking in the general public. They're

13 walking within the confines of their

14 establishment. So everyone has to have their

15 own means of identifying.

16 CHAIR MILLER: Their own means.

17 Okay.

18 MS. YAP: There is one thing,

19 though. The establishments must participate

20 with the H Street Festival. There are a lot

21 of other locations on site that are not part

22 of H Street Festival that did not sign up with


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1 us.

2 We do not sanction their patios,

3 and we will send in the list of people who are

4 participating with us to the inspector so they

5 can cross check, so there's nobody who's sort

6 of hitchhiking on the festival that we do not

7 know about.

8 MR. SALEEM: They would have to

9 stay on their own.


11 MEMBER ALBERTI: So just want to

12 be clear on that. That means that --

13 MS. YAP: They cannot have a patio

14 because they did not register with us.

15 MEMBER ALBERTI: They are not

16 allocated space in the street because they did

17 not participate, signed up with you?

18 MS. YAP: Correct.

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. Just so

20 for the record, Ms. Yap, so I know --

21 MR. SALEEM: That's according to

22 our insurance.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: I know I'm

2 getting into the weeds here.

3 MS. YAP: That's okay.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: You heard all the

5 names called. Are all the people we called

6 today signed up with you?

7 MS. YAP: I will get back to you

8 at the end of my presentation.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: Great, excellent.


11 MS. YAP: Everybody gets a second

12 chance. Thank you.

13 CHAIR MILLER: Wait, wait, wait.

14 I want to see if our investigators have any

15 questions.

16 MR. GHENENE: Yes, I have a

17 question. From what block to what block is

18 the festival?

19 MR. SALEEM: From the 400 block to

20 the 1300 block. And we can go up to 50 feet

21 into the first alley on the side streets. So

22 we get the 50 feet --


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1 MR. GHENENE: Fifty feet from each

2 corner?

3 MR. SALEEM: Right. Where you see

4 the parking meters? We can have activity up

5 to that first alley.

6 MR. GHENENE: And which side

7 streets?

8 MR. SALEEM: Both south and north.

9 We're really, the side streets starting from

10 the 500 block through the 1300 block.

11 MR. GHENENE: Okay. All of those

12 will be shut down?

13 MR. SALEEM: Yes, all of them shut

14 down.

15 MR. GHENENE: And will the

16 licensees that are requesting licenses from

17 us, will they have access to public space, the

18 utilization of that public space?

19 MR. SALEEM: Yes.

20 MR. GHENENE: Okay. Thank you.

21 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. Yes, Mr.

22 Brooks?


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1 MEMBER BROOKS: Just quickly. You

2 mentioned $8,000 have been allocated for

3 Metropolitan Police?

4 MR. SALEEM: Around 80, 80.

5 MS. YAP: Eighty.

6 MR. SALEEM: $80,000.

7 MEMBER BROOKS: How many policemen

8 are you talking about?

9 MR. SALEEM: I was in the back.

10 We have double police cars on every

11 intersection. You have one in the first

12 intersection, one coming through H Street.

13 So you have those group of police

14 cars going from 14th Street to 4th Street.

15 You have police cars at every intersection on

16 the ends.

17 Okay, and then we have about, I

18 think it's about 20 police officers throughout

19 the event itself, or more. And then we also

20 have volunteer cadets that are strewn

21 throughout the quarter also who volunteered.

22 MS. YAP: And that's three shifts.


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1 MR. SALEEM: Three shifts of

2 police officers.

3 MEMBER BROOKS: From 12:00 to

4 7:00?

5 MS. YAP: 4:00 a.m.

6 MR. SALEEM: No, from 4:00 a.m.

7 MEMBER BROOKS: 4:00 a.m.?

8 MR. SALEEM: 4:00 a.m. until

9 street closing.

10 MS. YAP: Ten o'clock.

11 MR. SALEEM: And we should be

12 finished about 10 o'clock.

13 MEMBER BROOKS: Okay, all right.

14 MS. YAP: When we close down the

15 street, MPD will have to assist us in doing

16 that, so their officers will be on site from

17 4:00 a.m. all the way until 10:00 p.m.

18 MEMBER BROOKS: Okay, all right.

19 MR. SALEEM: We have to have

20 enough police officers on site to help move

21 the crowd after the festival because people

22 seem they don't want to stop having fun.


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1 MEMBER BROOKS: I understand. All

2 right, thank you.

3 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, I just want

4 to ask you a couple more basic questions. How

5 many years have you been doing this festival?

6 MR. SALEEM: This is my eighth

7 year.


9 MR. SALEEM: I've also had other

10 experiences with other festivals with large

11 companies and other areas throughout the city.

12 CHAIR MILLER: All right. And is

13 it a lot bigger this year than last year? Or

14 how would you characterize it?

15 MR. SALEEM: It's a lot bigger

16 because of the crowd we had last year. And we

17 asked the City last year to allow us to expand

18 it. They saw what was going on and they went

19 along with us this year. And they're really

20 happy that we're doing it. So they support us

21 100 percent right now.

22 CHAIR MILLER: So it's bigger in


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1 space and blocks, right?


3 CHAIR MILLER: And it's bigger in

4 number of participating establishments, right?


6 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. And were

7 there any problems last year that you've

8 recognized that you've made changes in

9 reaction to?

10 MR. SALEEM: If it did, it was

11 real quiet.


13 MR. SALEEM: But we still saw some

14 changes that we need to make ourselves. And

15 internally, we went and made those changes,

16 and we recommended those changes to the

17 Special Event Task Force also in reference to

18 some of the things we felt that we need to

19 change and some of the things they need to

20 change. And most of the time, they agreed.

21 CHAIR MILLER: Can you give me an

22 example of what you've changed?


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1 MR. SALEEM: In reference to the

2 patios, the way we deal with --

3 MS. YAP: Fire lane.

4 MR. SALEEM: -- the fire lanes,

5 the way we deal with the fire lanes. The way

6 we eliminate the bottlenecks, and also then

7 with traffic control planning.

8 We are more extensive on our

9 traffic control planning with signs. Signs go

10 up tomorrow in some indications, and they

11 would be significantly placed throughout the

12 festival area for traffic flow.

13 CHAIR MILLER: Great, okay. Thank

14 you very much. So you're going to be here,

15 we'll be calling you back.

16 MS. YAP: We'll be here.

17 CHAIR MILLER: Yes. Okay, so the

18 way we're going to proceed at this point,

19 we've gotten the overview and we're going to

20 start getting into particular applications.

21 And there are some, a few that

22 were very thorough and we're going to deal


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1 with those first so those people can go. They

2 won't involve much questioning, if any.

3 And we just wanted to say a few

4 words while you're all here so that you all

5 hear this before you leave. And this is very

6 basic, but I think that for some of you, it

7 may not be as basic.

8 What does it mean to comply, you

9 know, with our regulations on Saturday. And

10 I just want to tell you some just very basics

11 that you have in your head.

12 One, we were talking about serving

13 underage drinkers. You can't. You need to

14 check everybody's ID. And you cannot serve to

15 anyone under 21.

16 There cannot be any alcohol taken

17 outside of your property. There should be

18 someone at the entrance of your establishment,

19 and that's where you would be checking the

20 IDs.

21 There should also be someone

22 assigned to watching the crowds, because


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1 sometimes at these festivals, you'll know that

2 it can get too crowded and that can be a

3 problem. So you should have someone do that.

4 Be careful about over service of

5 alcohol. And our investigators will be going

6 around to each of you in the morning, giving

7 you the signs that you'll need to put up and

8 you can ask them any questions at that point.

9 And they are the investigators

10 that are here today. Okay, that's my basic.

11 Do you have anything else you want to say in

12 general, before we get into the applications?

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Well, I just want

14 to emphasize some of the things that the Chair

15 has talked about. I know the festival, I know

16 your patios are going to be crowded.

17 It's going to be wall to wall

18 people, and I think it's a great thing,

19 hopefully you make a lot of money. And so

20 that's a good thing.

21 But you do have a responsibility.

22 So it's important that besides having someone


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1 at the gate checking IDs, that you have

2 somebody monitoring the crowd and the

3 perimeter so that people aren't passing drinks

4 off to people in the street.

5 And that's a real danger, given

6 the crowds that you're going to have on your

7 patio. And people who have experienced this

8 all know that.

9 And our investigators are going to

10 be there, they're going to be watching. So

11 it's just important to be mindful of the

12 customers who don't want to cooperate.

13 Other than that, I really don't

14 think I have anything to emphasize.

15 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. All right,

16 at the beginning of this hearing everyone

17 introduced themselves and said what

18 establishment they were with.

19 And I know that the woman in the

20 orange shirt came in later. Are you with an

21 establishment that's being considered?

22 MS. WEBB: No, I'm the expediter


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1 for several of the --

2 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, you need to

3 actually, could you come forward and just

4 speak into the microphone because otherwise we

5 don't have you on the transcript.

6 (Off microphone comment)

7 MS. WEBB: I'm Cheryl Webb and I'm

8 the expediter for several of the businesses

9 here. I just submitted the applications for

10 them.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay.

12 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, are they

13 represented here by somebody else, or are you

14 representing some businesses?

15 MS. WEBB: No, I was just sitting

16 in here.

17 CHAIR MILLER: Oh, okay.

18 Listening, okay fine.

19 MS. WEBB: Yes.


21 you. And I guess before we get into this, the

22 applications, is there anything our


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1 investigators want to add? No? Okay. Hello?

2 MR. COBURN: And I didn't get a

3 chance to introduce myself because I was

4 meeting with Mr. Bernard .I'm Skip Coburn.

5 I'm Executive Director of the D.C. Nightlife

6 Association. And I'm not representing anybody

7 for this festival.


9 MR. COBURN: I came to observe and

10 learn.

11 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, great. Thank

12 you. All right, now I think we have some

13 applications that we may have no questions on

14 and we may be able to tell you that you're all

15 set.

16 Or we may just have a very few

17 questions. So if you'll bear with me. Mr.

18 Alberti has that list.

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh, okay. I'm

20 sorry, I was -- all right. Yes, we reviewed

21 these. Some of these licenses, all right,

22 some of these licenses I'm going to have some


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1 questions, just real simple questions on

2 defining your space because it's not quite

3 clear in your application.

4 I'm going to assume unless you get

5 asked, that your hours are ending at 7:00.

6 That you're going to clear the sidewalk and go

7 back to your licensed premises at 7:00 p.m.

8 All right, that's an assumption.

9 I'm also assuming that you're not

10 going out farther than the curb lane. And we

11 shouldn't have that. I don't see that in any

12 applications.

13 So the applications that I think

14 are in good shape here are Vendetta,

15 Dangerously Delicious Pies, Red Rocks, The

16 Pug, Atlas Performing Arts Center, Boundary

17 Road, and SOL Mexican Grill.

18 So those applications we are

19 prepared to sign without any questions. The

20 other ones, we're going to call you up and ask

21 you questions.

22 It may result in having you make


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1 minor changes to the applications. We're

2 going to try and get that done tonight so that

3 everyone gets cleared, and you know that

4 you're ready to go.

5 So the ones I've just spoke with,

6 I think we're prepared. Ms. Miller, we're --

7 CHAIR MILLER: I'm sorry.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: The one's I spoke

9 with, we're prepared to sign?



12 CHAIR MILLER: And I wanted to

13 tell them, I wanted to make sure that our

14 administrative office is closed, which it is.

15 So it wouldn't be able to be processed until

16 tomorrow morning.

17 But the ones that Mr. Alberti has

18 read off, the Board will be signing. We don't

19 have any questions, and you're free to leave

20 whenever you like.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Unless you're

22 curious and want to stick around.


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1 CHAIR MILLER: And it will be

2 available tomorrow morning to pick up. Okay.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: Again, I want to

4 reiterate how much we appreciate you all

5 coming, because I know this is a busy time.

6 I know getting ready for Saturday is your

7 prime concern right now.

8 So why don't we just start by

9 calling a few of these forward and see if we

10 can get this thing cleared up. So H Street

11 Country Club, Star and Shamrock, Queen Vic and

12 Biergarten, if you guys want to come on up?

13 Can we bring up extra chairs, like

14 three or four at a time and just go through

15 these.

16 CHAIR MILLER: H Street Garden,

17 Beer, H Street --

18 MALE PARTICIPANT: H Street

19 Country Club?

20 MALE PARTICIPANT: You mentioned

21 just for the record, specifically about a few

22 seconds ago that the licenses would only go to


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1 the curb.

2 CHAIR MILLER: We have to get you

3 on the mic.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: I'm sorry, to the

5 edge of the curb lane.

6 MALE PARTICIPANT: Well, to the

7 first parking spot.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: Into the curb

9 lane. They will occupy the curb lane. But

10 not into the first traffic lane. Okay, we're

11 all on the same page.

12 I'm sorry if I misspoke. Thank

13 you for that. Can we bring some extra chairs

14 up? That would be great, thanks.

15 COURT REPORTER: Can I ask when

16 people come up, I can't remember exactly --

17 CHAIR MILLER: Right.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: No, we're going

19 to have everybody introduce themselves. We

20 will, reintroduce themselves.

21 CHAIR MILLER: So could you repeat

22 the list? It's H Street Country Club,


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1 Biergarten --

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: I'm going to have

3 them introduce themselves, so --

4 CHAIR MILLER: And your

5 establishment again so we'll get it --

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Right, and their

7 establishment again.


9 MEMBER ALBERTI: So, who wants to

10 -- well, let's start here from your right and

11 go by this way. Okay. So I think we have the

12 person from Queen Vic?

13 MR. GORDON: Yes.

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: If you want to

15 start?

16 MR. GORDON: Yes.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: Introduce

18 yourself and who you're with.

19 MR. GORDON: Where we at here? My

20 name is Ryan Gordon, Queen Vic.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right. Next?

22 MR. ZERVOS: Blair Zervos with H


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1 Street Country Club and Vendetta.


3 MR. MCGOVERN: Aaron McGovern with

4 the Biergartenhaus.

5 MR. POSTIGO: Fernando Postigo,

6 SOL Mexican.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, so just

8 real quickly, we want to get established on

9 the record what your association is or

10 relationship with the establishment.

11 MALE PARTICIPANT: Should we start

12 all over?

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: No. So Mr.

14 Gordon from Queen Vic, you're the?

15 MR. GORDON: The owner.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: Right, okay. H

17 Street Country Club?

18 CHAIR MILLER: Mr. Zervos?

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: Mr. Zervos?

20 MR. ZERVOS: Yes, one of the co-

21 owners.

22 MEMBER ALBERTI: One of the co-


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1 owners?

2 MR. ZERVOS: Yes.

3 MR. MCGOVERN: I'm the owner of

4 Biergartenhaus.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, from Star

6 and Shamrock and Biergartenhaus.

7 MR. POSTIGO: And Fernando --

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: I mean, that was

9 Biergartenhaus. I'm sorry, you're from --

10 MR. POSTIGO: SOL Mexican.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: SOL Mexican, yes.

12 MR. POSTIGO: Yes, I'm the owner.


14 CHAIR MILLER: Don't we have

15 someone else at the table?

16 MR. MENARD: Mark Menard, Star and

17 Shamrock, one of the owners.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. I'm sorry

19 about that.

20 MR. MENARD: It's all right.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: I'm getting a

22 little confused here. So all right.


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1 CHAIR MILLER: Biergarten, sir

2 what's your name again?

3 MR. MCGOVERN: Aaron McGovern.


5 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right. So

6 Mr. Gordon, you have on here 11:00 a.m. to,

7 well you have it ending at 8:00 p.m.

8 MR. GORDON: Yes, that was a

9 misunderstanding.


11 MR. GORDON: I have no problem

12 going with the hours that we came up with

13 there.

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. When I

15 finish here, I'm going to have someone come

16 down and you can --

17 MR. GORDON: Will do.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- change it and

19 initial it.

20 MR. GORDON: Yes, sir.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: And we're good,

22 okay?


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1 MR. GORDON: Shall I leave?

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right. Same

3 for, I'm sorry your name again, from H Street

4 Country Club?

5 MR. ZERVOS: Blair.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Mr. Blair?

7 MR. ZERVOS: Yes.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. And you

9 have on here, oh I know what the question was.

10 It looks like you're going into the alley.

11 MR. ZERVOS: No. You have an old

12 --

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: I have a diagram

14 that shows you going, because you're on the

15 alley, right?

16 MR. ZERVOS: Correct, yes. That's

17 an old drawing, though. We're not doing that.

18 I actually have a current drawing that I

19 turned in Saturday night with --

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: I've got 30

21 applications, so I hope I didn't get that

22 straight.


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1 MR. ZERVOS: Yes, don't worry, I

2 can give you a new copy of that.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: Great. So we'll

4 get a new copy of your diagram.

5 MR. ZERVOS: Yes, yes.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Great. And

7 you're ending at the edge of the beginning at

8 the beginning of the alley?

9 MR. ZERVOS: It's just the width

10 of the building with the eight foot extension

11 to the first parking lane, yes.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: Excellent,

13 excellent. Mr. McGovern from Biergarten?

14 MR. MCGOVERN: Yes, sir?

15 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes. Let me see.

16 Again, the hours on this one were until 8:00

17 p.m.

18 MR. MCGOVERN: Same, I'll sign it,

19 initial it.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: And you're going

21 to -- all right, that's fine. All right. We

22 have to deal with these administrative things.


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1 MR. MCGOVERN: Oh, of course.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: Just so everybody

3 understands, please bear with us. And Star

4 and Shamrock.

5 MR. MENARD: Yes?

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Trying to

7 remember what my question was. Is it just the

8 width of your current establishment? It looks

9 like there's -- and how many entrances are you

10 having to your patio?

11 MR. MENARD: I have one listed on

12 the diagram, I believe. But we can do more if

13 needed.

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: No, you have

15 several listed on the diagram I have.

16 MR. MENARD: Can I take a look at

17 the diagram you have?

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes, please step

19 forward and take a look.

20 MR. MENARD: Thank you.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Am I looking at

22 the right one?


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1 MR. MENARD: This is not the

2 accurate one.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, so why

4 don't you hold off. We'll have someone get to

5 you after.

6 MR. MENARD: My bad. We have one.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: So you have --

8 MR. MENARD: To answer your

9 question.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: You have one

11 entrance and exit --

12 MR. MENARD: Yes.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Is that correct?

14 MR. MENARD: Yes.

15 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, great. And

16 SOL Mexican, hang on one second. Oh, I know

17 why I'm confused. I'm sorry, your name?

18 MR. POSTIGO: Fernando.

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: Fernando, there

20 was no problems with yours. You were with

21 that first group. So I was like a little

22 confused why you came up. Thank you. So


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1 Martha, can we -- oh.

2 CHAIR MILLER: The office is

3 closed for processing. That's what I was

4 saying. Oh, I'm sorry.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: No, but we would

6 like to get them to make changes to their

7 applications.

8 CHAIR MILLER: Oh, those who need

9 to. Yes, I have the applications here.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes. Can you

11 hold on one second for us? I want to do this

12 as quickly as possible.


14 MEMBER ALBERTI: Do you have the

15 originals?

16 CHAIR MILLER: Yes, I have the

17 originals.


19 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, so while

20 we're discussing this, I have the originals.

21 And if it's just a simple thing like changing

22 eight to seven, you can change on it.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: Initial it.

2 CHAIR MILLER: And then give it

3 back to us and we'll have it processed

4 tomorrow morning. So --

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: So why don't we

6 hand them out?

7 CHAIR MILLER: I have that for --

8 MR. GORDON: Can we come up, can

9 we grab those and bring them out to everybody?

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes, if you

11 would.

12 CHAIR MILLER: Yes, I was going to

13 say --

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: We're going to do

15 it for formality here, because this late at

16 night, we don't have full staff. So just bear

17 with us.

18 CHAIR MILLER: I have it for

19 Biergarten and H Street Country Club, is that

20 correct, the hours?

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Those are hours,

22 right. And the other two, they were going to


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1 give us new diagrams.

2 CHAIR MILLER: Here, sir. Do you

3 want to take this?

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: So the other two

5 people who going to give us new diagrams, can

6 you just hand those forward and --

7 MALE PARTICIPANT: Yes, sure.

8 CHAIR MILLER: They have new

9 diagrams?


11 CHAIR MILLER: All right, who is

12 it?

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Do you want the

14 originals? This is --

15 CHAIR MILLER: Queen Vic?

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: Star and Shamrock

17 and --

18 (Off microphone comments)

19 CHAIR MILLER: It was, okay. I

20 just need to find those.

21 MALE PARTICIPANT: The new

22 diagrams, yes okay.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: Would you label

2 it for us?

3 CHAIR MILLER: I thought Queen Vic

4 was okay?

5 MEMBER BROOKS: No, that was --

6 CHAIR MILLER: SOL Mexican okay?

7 MEMBER BROOKS: SOL was good.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: SOL Mexican was

9 fine.

10 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, so I'm

11 looking for Queen Vic.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: So this is ours.

13 CHAIR MILLER: I'll call you when

14 I find it.

15 MR. GORDON: No problem.

16 CHAIR MILLER: Yes. So you're

17 done. Is he done?

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: He's good to go.

19 CHAIR MILLER: I think so. So

20 come back tomorrow.


22 CHAIR MILLER: Yes, okay. I don't


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1 know, I was going to say you might want to

2 call first. But it's supposed to be ready by

3 then.

4 MR. GORDON: Okay, thank you.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: Right. This is

6 the only street. I got you, I understand.

7 MALE PARTICIPANT: Thank you very

8 much.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: Thank you. I'm

10 more familiar with that. So this goes with

11 Star and Shamrock?

12 CHAIR MILLER: Yes, I'm sorry.

13 Star and Shamrock. Did they not get --


15 MS. RAPPAPORT: Excuse me. I'm

16 having a personal emergency. Is there any way

17 that H & Pizza can go next?

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: And so who --

19 CHAIR MILLER: I'm sorry, could

20 you sit down so we can hear you? What?

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Any way you can

22 what? Come up early?


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1 MS. RAPPAPORT: Go next, yes.

2 CHAIR MILLER: Yes, yes.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, who are you

4 with?

5 MS. RAPPAPORT: H & Pizza.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, have a

7 seat.

8 CHAIR MILLER: Good.

9 MS. RAPPAPORT: Thank you.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: Have a seat,

11 please.

12 CHAIR MILLER: All right, I'm

13 going to put a note on this one.


15 CHAIR MILLER: To add to Star and

16 Shamrock and that's fine. Okay.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: I wish Martha was

18 here to help.

19 CHAIR MILLER: I know.


21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Can you go get

22 Martha? We need extra hands. Actually --


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2 MEMBER ALBERTI: Who?

3 MALE PARTICIPANT: Shawn is here.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: Shawn? Can you

5 come on back? Can you come up? Okay, we got

6 an extra set of hands to help us out. You

7 have what? No. No. Thank you. All right,

8 I know this is, okay and you were with who, H

9 & Pizza?

10 Okay, come on back and we're going

11 to have you sort of help Ruthanne with this

12 stuff. So why don't you let Shawn, give this

13 back to Shawn and let him go through it.



16 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, why don't you

17 tell us your name and that establishment.

18 MS. RAPPAPORT: Yes, Risa

19 Rappaport.


21 MS. RAPPAPORT: H & Pizza. I'm

22 the Vice President of Operations.


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1 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. So we just

2 need you to identify what her issue was.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh, you were --

4 CHAIR MILLER: H & Pizza.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh, I see. I'm

6 sorry, because I was a little confused. All

7 right, so H & Pizza we have, the rest of you

8 guys can step down.

9 MR. GORDON: I'm still waiting on

10 my signature, but I will wait until she's

11 done.


13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, yes. Okay,

14 great. Let's call up the Big Board.

15 CHAIR MILLER: Well, let's just,

16 because she's having an emergency.



19 MEMBER ALBERTI: So okay. You

20 actually span two addresses, right? Is that

21 correct?

22 MS. RAPPAPORT: Well, I think


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1 we're taking up the space that's right beside

2 --

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: The vacant lot

4 next door to you, right?

5 MS. RAPPAPORT: Yes.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: I just want to

7 make sure there's no plans to use that vacant

8 lot, because I don't see it in your

9 application.

10 MS. RAPPAPORT: No, not at all.

11 It's just the front of that lot.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: Done.

13 MS. RAPPAPORT: That's it?

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: That's it.

15 CHAIR MILLER: That's it. You

16 have to come back tomorrow to get the list.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: But we didn't

18 know. I don't know, you know, so we have to

19 bring you down. I appreciate it.

20 MS. RAPPAPORT: Absolutely fine.

21 Just come in in the morning and pick up the

22 application?


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: Right.

2 MS. RAPPAPORT: Thank you.


4 MR. GHENENE: I believe that they

5 had hours that extend until 10 o'clock as

6 well.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh, yes.

8 MS. RAPPAPORT: Okay.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: What's the deal

10 on that?

11 MS. RAPPAPORT: It might have been

12 an error. We can absolutely be done at 7:00.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Well, you

14 actually have a license, right? You have a

15 liquor license?

16 MS. RAPPAPORT: Inside, for the

17 inside.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: You're good to go

19 your usual hours inside, right. So outside,

20 you will be, 7 o'clock you'll shut down.

21 MS. RAPPAPORT: Absolutely.

22 MEMBER ALBERTI: So can I get you


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1 to initial? Can I get H & Pizza?


3 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, this

4 gentleman will bring you it. You can change

5 the hours, initial it and then you can go.

6 CHAIR MILLER: So you have 10:00

7 p.m. on your application.


9 MS. RAPPAPORT: Okay, thank you.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: Mr. Ghenene?

11 MR. GHENENE: Yes. And then the

12 other thing was she had mentioned the hiring

13 of 4 MPD officers? Is that the case?

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: Well, I'm

15 assuming that that's not happening as part of

16 the festival, right?

17 MS. RAPPAPORT: Yes, no.

18 MR. GHENENE: All right, great.

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes, we're not

20 holding you responsible for that. It's part

21 of the festival. Okay. Thank you, Mr.

22 Ghenene. All right, so I'm trying to get


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1 through this quickly, folks. So bear with me.

2 Big Board, Rock N Roll Hotel,

3 Little Miss Whiskey and is anyone here from Da

4 Luft?

5 MS. YAP: She is not here yet.

6 They're not here yet.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right, I'm

8 going to deal with that one at the end, all

9 right.

10 MS. YAP: Thank you.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: And --


13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes, but he's

14 waiting on his license to be handed back.

15 MR. GORDON: I'm waiting on a

16 signature to sign off the change of times.

17 CHAIR MILLER: For which one?

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh, you need your

19 application.

20 MR. GORDON: Queen Vic.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, hold on one

22 second.


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1 CHAIR MILLER: Queen Vic. No,

2 I'll look. You can keep going. I'll look,

3 I'll look.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: You want to look?

5 Queen Vic, we need it for --


7 MR. GORDON: No worries.

8 CHAIR MILLER: I just heard

9 emergency and I --

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: It's going to get

11 better.

12 MR. GORDON: That's fine.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: It's going to get

14 better as we have fewer applications to get

15 through. So all right. So okay. So Big

16 Board, Rock N Roll Hotel, and Little Miss

17 Whiskey.

18 Didn't think you had the mystery

19 turn, Mr. Thorp. Okay, so Big Board, again we

20 have hours until 3:00 a.m. What's going on

21 with --

22 MR. FLANNERY: I just put my


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1 liquor license hours on there. I'm fully

2 compliant with doing the hours per the

3 festival.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right. Okay.

5 So we need Big Board.


7 MR. FLANNERY: Eric Flannery from

8 the Big Board.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh, I'm sorry.

10 And I should be doing that. Right, right. So

11 all right. So please introduce yourselves and

12 who you're with.

13 MR. FLANNERY: Eric Flannery from

14 the Big Board.


16 MR. MARTIN: Jason Martin, Rock N

17 Roll Hotel.


19 MR. THORP: Marc Thorp, Little

20 Miss Whiskey.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, thank you

22 for that. I appreciate that.


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1 MALE PARTICIPANT: No problem.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, so I'm

3 going to slow things a little bit down a

4 little bit. Who's this for?

5 CHAIR MILLER: That's Queen Vic

6 from the previous panel.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, I'll come

8 back to that one. Why don't we come back to

9 that one after we deal with these three. Okay

10 so the Big Board --


12 MEMBER ALBERTI: I know. Big

13 Board, can we handle license with the Big

14 Board.

15 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. I'll look

16 for it.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: Rock N Roll

18 Hotel. I had a question about his. Oh you

19 know, I don't think we ever got a diagram for

20 Rock N Roll Hotel. I think that's what the

21 issue was for your space.

22 Okay, Shawn, thank you. If you


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1 would just label that who it's with and I'll

2 set that aside. And Little Miss Whiskey, you

3 were going on until midnight. What's the deal

4 with those hours?

5 MR. THORP: I just put the extent

6 on there to cover my --

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: Got you.

8 MR. THORP: Have a broad --

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: Just fine. So

10 you'll change this, initial it and --

11 (Crosstalk)

12 CHAIR MILLER: There's something

13 more?

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: Big Board, and

15 now I need Little Miss Whiskey.

16 CHAIR MILLER: And he has Rock N

17 Roll Hotel.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: Rock N Roll

19 Hotel. This one goes with that piece of paper.

20 And then we're looking for Little Miss

21 Whiskey. Now, Mr. Gordon?

22 MR. GORDON: Yes?


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: There's a note on

2 here that says that wasn't signed by -- your

3 application --

4 MR. GORDON: If you look on the

5 second page, I came back in, I put this in

6 well before anybody else had done it.

7 So I wanted to make sure it was

8 done within the 21 days or whatever, 14 days.

9 And we hadn't gotten anything back from H

10 Street Main Street yet.


12 MR. GORDON: So I wanted to make

13 sure I had it put in. And then they had a

14 meeting to get that signature, so they did get

15 that signature.

16 So I brought it back the following

17 day and put it as an addendum onto the actual

18 one I already had.


20 MR. GORDON: So if you look at

21 that second page, it's actually added on there

22 to the original --


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1 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, great.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, very good.

3 CHAIR MILLER: So it's just the

4 time then.

5 MR. GORDON: Do you see it?

6 CHAIR MILLER: I saw it.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right, we're

8 good.

9 MR. GORDON: Yes.

10 CHAIR MILLER: No, it's the time.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: This is Shawn?

12 CHAIR MILLER: Wait, oh okay.

13 Yes, give it to Shawn.

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: If you would have

15 him change the time, and initial it.

16 CHAIR MILLER: Yes, that's good.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: We're good to go

18 on that one. Great.

19 MR. GORDON: Thanks, Shawn.

20 CHAIR MILLER: Here's Little Miss

21 Whiskey.

22 MEMBER ALBERTI: And Little Miss


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1 Whiskey, Shawn?

2 CHAIR MILLER: What does he have

3 to do?

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: This one, just

5 Mr. Thorp will change the time and initial it.

6 And we're good to go.

7 (Off the record comments)

8 MR. GORDON: Thanks, guys.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: You're welcome.


11 MEMBER ALBERTI: Thanks for your

12 patience, guys.

13 MR. FLANNERY: I have one

14 question.


16 MR. FLANNERY: So tomorrow, come

17 back to pay?


19 MR. FLANNERY: Okay, thank you

20 sir.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Thank you very

22 much.


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1 CHAIR MILLER: Who are you with?

2 MR. FLANNERY: With the Big Board.

3 I didn't pay the --

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: He's okay. We're

5 all set.

6 CHAIR MILLER: Yes, yes, yes.

7 MR. FLANNERY: I didn't pay the

8 license fee because they told me not to pay

9 until it had been approved. So tomorrow

10 during your normal hours I can pay.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: Thank you for

12 your patience, guys.

13 MALE PARTICIPANT: Did we do one

14 of those folks?

15 MEMBER ALBERTI: Pardon? Yes.

16 MALE PARTICIPANT: Who?


18 MEMBER ALBERTI: Jason?

19 MR. MARTIN: Yes.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: I'm sorry. Yes,

21 you're sitting here. Sorry to call you by

22 your first name, Mr. Martin.


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1 MR. MARTIN: That's fine.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: You're sitting

3 here because?

4 MR. MARTIN: I just turned in my

5 diagram and labeled it Rock N Roll Hotel.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, so it's

7 good. We got it. We got it, but stay there.

8 MR. MARTIN: All right, I'll stay

9 here.

10 CHAIR MILLER: The H Street

11 Country Club, did they leave?

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes. What were

13 they supposed to do?

14 CHAIR MILLER: This says change

15 hours.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: No, they're cool.

17 CHAIR MILLER: They did, they did.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: They're cool, yes

19 they changed it.

20 CHAIR MILLER: They changed it.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: They're cool,

22 they're cool. All right, so Sticky Rice,


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1 Chuchacabra and Twelve?

2 MR. RUSSELL: Dangerously

3 Delicious, that was the good one.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: That was the good

5 one, you're good to go. Yes, you're good to

6 go. So Twelve, Mr. Gibson?

7 CHAIR MILLER: He's good to go.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes, come on.

9 You stay there. We're doing Chuchacabra and

10 the Sticky Rice.

11 MR. MARTIN: Chupacabra.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: Chupacabra, I'm

13 sorry. I've been pronouncing that ever since

14 you introduced it. I apologize.

15 MR. MARTIN: Everybody does.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, so let's

17 start with Chupacabra. Well actually, let's

18 hold on to Chupacabra because okay. Oh,

19 Sticky Rice, we need Sticky Rice for a change

20 of hours.


22 MEMBER ALBERTI: You have until


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1 10:00 p.m.

2 MR. MARTIN: I apologize for that.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: There's a lot of

4 confusion, I understand. We just need to get

5 it straight, thank you.

6 MR. MARTIN: Not a problem.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: So you're going

8 to change that. And Twelve, you have until

9 3:00 a.m. Now you heard what's going on --

10 MR. GIBSON: Yes, I just put down

11 my regular operation hours. So 7 o'clock it

12 is. Okay.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, I have

14 another question for you. From your diagram,

15 because you're on the corner I have to ask

16 this. Are you extending past the edge of your

17 property?

18 MR. GIBSON: No, Khan's is on the

19 corner.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh, yes it is.

21 Well, it's kind of the same building so I'm

22 thinking --


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1 MR. GIBSON: Yes, it is the same

2 building.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: Right, right.

4 MR. GIBSON: No, I'm in front of

5 my building.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, just in

7 front of your building out into the street.

8 I got you.

9 MR. GIBSON: Yes.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, great. I

11 just wanted to clear that up. Great.

12 MR. GIBSON: Okay.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: So if you would

14 initial -- you have Twelve?

15 MALE PARTICIPANT: We have Twelve.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: If you would

17 change your hours and initial it, we're good

18 to go on that one.

19 MR. GIBSON: Okay.


21 coming, appreciate it.

22 MR. GIBSON: No problem. Thank


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1 you.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, now Mr.

3 Martin, on Chuchacabra --

4 MR. MARTIN: Very close.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: What was that?

6 MR. MARTIN: Very close.

7 Chupacabra.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: Chupacabra. I'm

9 going to practice. Okay, so you've got this

10 confusion here with how you've got this

11 outdoor area that I've talked to you before

12 about because you've come in before.

13 MR. MARTIN: Correct.

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: So where are you

15 going to be?

16 MR. MARTIN: We have the outdoor

17 area, the public space that's been approved by

18 DDOT. And we also have the eight feet going

19 in front of the facade of the building, in

20 front of H Street, and it's connected.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, so you're

22 coming straight out, so you've got -- okay.


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1 MR. MARTIN: Sorry about that.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: So Mr. Ghenene,

3 if this is confusing, maybe we can get him to

4 amend this. But he's on the corner of 9th and

5 H, right?


7 MEMBER ALBERTI: And you've got

8 public space already, which goes along 9th

9 Street.

10 MR. MARTIN: Along 9th Street,

11 yes.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: Along the

13 building, along 9th Street.


15 MEMBER ALBERTI: You're going to

16 come forward in that same line of the edge of

17 a public space --

18 MR. MARTIN: Correct, and extend

19 it to H street.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- towards the

21 street and into the curb lane, is that

22 correct?


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1 MR. MARTIN: Towards the curb

2 lane, but not past where the first lane is.

3 So only --

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: Right, into the

5 curb lane --


7 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- just like

8 everyone else straight on to --

9 MR. MARTIN: Yes.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- across that

11 side walk on H Street.

12 MR. MARTIN: Exactly.


14 the hours. Are you going to be operating

15 until 7:00 p.m.?

16 MR. MARTIN: 7:00 p.m. on the

17 extension, yes, in the public space. Then we

18 will retract to our public space after that.

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. You don't

20 --

21 MR. MARTIN: The DDOT public

22 space, not the festival public space.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, I'm not

2 sure what your license is on the rest of that

3 space.

4 MR. MARTIN: I just got that about

5 five minutes ago.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Excellent. So

7 you will pull back to your licensed space at

8 7:00 p.m., is that correct?

9 MR. MARTIN: Correct. Until --

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: So what I would

11 say is you need to change this to 7:00 p.m.

12 because this only applies to the extended

13 space or the special permit.

14 MR. MARTIN: Okay, got it.

15 MEMBER ALBERTI: So if you would

16 change this?


18 MR. MARTIN: Did I just say that

19 for Chupacabra?

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Chupacabra, yes.

21 MR. MARTIN: Okay.

22 MEMBER ALBERTI: Did you change it


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1 already?

2 MR. MARTIN: That was good. Your

3 pronunciation.

4 CHAIR MILLER: Do we have that

5 pulled?

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: No, Chupacabra.

7 CHAIR MILLER: I know, I'm looking

8 for it.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, we're going

10 to get you that one, you'll change the hours

11 to 7:00 and we're good to go.

12 MR. MARTIN: Perfect, thank you.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Thank you. Thank

14 you for your patience.

15 MR. GHENENE: Mr. Alberti?

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes?

17 MR. GHENENE: I have a couple of

18 questions.


20 MR. GHENENE: First of all, I'm

21 familiar with the block where Chupacabra is.

22 So you're going to wrap around the entire


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1 block, 9th Street to H Street? That's going

2 to be all cordoned off?

3 MR. MARTIN: Correct. For the

4 public space, we have to the edge of the

5 building and then going along the wind flies

6 of 9th Street down.

7 MR. GHENENE: Okay.


9 to be the width of Stan's?

10 MR. MARTIN: Correct. Running

11 parallel.


13 MR. GHENENE: Very good.


15 clearing that. So the whole width is Stan's

16 out to the street, and then wrap around the

17 side of the building into your DDOT licensed

18 space --

19 MR. MARTIN: Exactly, it's going

20 to be an L.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- permanent

22 licensed space?


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1 MR. MARTIN: Yes.

2 MR. GHENENE: And I also know that

3 Chupacabra's a pretty small establishment.

4 Where are you getting staff from as far as

5 security is concerned, things of that nature?

6 MR. MARTIN: We have security from

7 Sticky Rice that is going to be stationed

8 there.

9 MR. GHENENE: Okay. And then you

10 indicated that your request is to use some of

11 the uses license, I'm not sure if it's a moot

12 point now that you've got this one. That

13 would be inside?

14 MR. MARTIN: I think it is because

15 originally we were going for the one day --

16 MR. GHENENE: Sure.

17 MR. MARTIN: -- we didn't think

18 that this was going to come through. So just

19 wanted to cover all the basis.

20 MR. GHENENE: So that was just for

21 the restaurant?



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1 MR. GHENENE: And you requested

2 inside use?



5 MR. MARTIN: But now that we have

6 the permanent one --

7 MR. GHENENE: Sure. Okay, that's

8 clear. And then I guess I'll just make a

9 recommendation that once the barriers are

10 pulled and you are back to your licensed

11 premise, I would recommend that you establish

12 a barrier because it may be people don't

13 understand that they can't go beyond it

14 because that sidewalk all looks the same.

15 MR. MARTIN: Exactly. What we'll

16 do is we will just close off the section and

17 it will just go back to being just a straight

18 line instead of an L shape.

19 MR. GHENENE: I guess what I'm

20 suggesting is, and I haven't been there in the

21 last week or so, but I do know that you have

22 that outdoor seating area, but there's no


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1 defined barricade of where your property --

2 MR. MARTIN: Okay. We have the

3 barricades in the offshoot photo.

4 MR. GHENENE: No, not the ones

5 that are issued for the festival.


7 MR. GHENENE: Your own private

8 ones.

9 MR. MARTIN: Those are already up

10 right now.

11 MR. GHENENE: Fantastic.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: So you've got

13 your own permanent space fenced in?

14 MR. MARTIN: Correct. Already

15 today.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: And it will be at

17 7:00 p.m. fenced into that --

18 MR. GHENENE: That's fine, okay.

19 MR. MARTIN: We'll just shut the

20 door to the other public space.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Excellent, very

22 good. Thank you. And you're not using the


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1 building at all? You're using your place but

2 not Stan's?


4 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. I

5 understand, great. I think we're good.

6 MR. MARTIN: I just need to sign

7 off on my --

8 CHAIR MILLER: We're not totally

9 good yet.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: Sign off on what?

11 MR. MARTIN: The time change for

12 Chupacabra.

13 CHAIR MILLER: The application.

14 MR. MARTIN: The application, I

15 only signed the one for Sticky Rice.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. Was that

17 Chupacabra?

18 CHAIR MILLER: No. That isn't. I

19 haven't located it.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: You haven't

21 located Chupacabra?

22 CHAIR MILLER: What happened with


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1 those?

2 MR. GHENENE: It doesn't say

3 Chupacabra.

4 CHAIR MILLER: It's under a

5 different name?

6 MR. MARTIN: It doesn't say

7 Chupacabra.


9 MEMBER ALBERTI: It will say Jason

10 Martin on the --

11 CHAIR MILLER: Jason, okay, all

12 right.

13 CHAIR MILLER: -- top. If you

14 could actually have a seat in the back, we'll

15 continue and if you wait, Mr. Martin, that

16 will be great. Thank you, so we can continue

17 here.


19 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right, so he

20 got them out of order. Great, I got you.

21 Okay.

22 CHAIR MILLER: Just before he


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1 leaves, I just want to make sure, he

2 represented a few different establishments.

3 Are they all set?

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: I think so.

5 Well, you want to ask him?

6 CHAIR MILLER: He represented

7 Sticky Rice.

8 MR. MARTIN: Sticky Rice, Rock N

9 Roll Hotel, Chupacabra, and Dangerously

10 Delicious, but that got the nice waiver

11 because it was done correctly.

12 CHAIR MILLER: And what happened

13 to Rock N Roll?

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: You're not doing

15 --

16 MR. MARTIN: Yes, Rock N Roll.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: But you gave us -

18 -

19 MR. MARTIN: The diagram was --

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: You gave us the

21 diagram for Rock N Roll?

22 MR. MARTIN: Yes.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: Right?

2 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, good. All

3 right.

4 MR. MARTIN: Thank you.



7 coming. Okay, so now we're going to go on to,

8 I think, all the rest are, now let's do the --

9 MR. MARTIN: I have one question

10 to ask. What's the fee tomorrow?

11 CHAIR MILLER: Come to the table.

12 MR. MARTIN: I'm sorry, I

13 apologize. What's the fee for the Substantial

14 Change License tomorrow?

15 MEMBER ALBERTI: You're asking the

16 wrong person.

17 MR. MARTIN: Oh. That's fine.

18 All right, thank you.

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: $300. Okay. All

20 right, so you know, I'm going to do these

21 later. Okay, so I'm going to do next I'm

22 going to do three of the temporary licenses.


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1 And one is Taylor Gourmet, one is Shawafel,

2 and one is Mr. Migues?

3 MR. GHENENE: Chicken Tortilla.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: Come on up for

5 us. We have Mr. Migues.


7 MEMBER ALBERTI: We have Mr. Sisi.


9 MEMBER ALBERTI: And we have Mr.

10 Hahn.


12 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay?

13 CHAIR MILLER: Taylor Gourmet is?

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: Taylor Gourmet is

15 Mr. Hahn, Shawafel is --


17 MEMBER ALBERTI: And Mr. Migues is

18 here because you're right next door to

19 Shawafel so I thought I would bring you up all

20 together.

21 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, good.

22 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right, so


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1 Taylor Gourmet, let's see. Oh, I know. I

2 just wanted to make sure we're understanding.

3 You don't have a permanent liquor license,

4 right?

5 MR. HAHN: No, we do not have a

6 permanent liquor license.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: Are you going to

8 be serving inside during the day? Is this

9 application to serve inside during the day?

10 MR. HAHN: The application is to

11 serve on our extended patio extending into the

12 curb lane and allow for consumption on the

13 patio as well as inside the existing

14 restaurant.

15 MEMBER ALBERTI: As well as

16 inside.

17 MR. HAHN: Solely for the day,

18 until 7:00 p.m., last call being at 6:30.

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: Right, excellent.

20 So all right, very good. It's what I needed

21 to know.

22 MR. HAHN: Okay.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: Thank you. Is

2 that understandable to the investigators?

3 MR. GHENENE: It is.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, great. Mr.

5 Sisi? Oh there you are. Sorry.

6 MR. SISI: Yes.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: I'm terrible with

8 faces. I've enjoyed your food.

9 MR. SISI: Thank you.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: Let's see. Okay,

11 again are you serving until 7:00 p.m. inside?

12 MR. SISI: Yes, sir.


14 allow consumption inside and out?


16 MEMBER ALBERTI: And it shuts down

17 all at 7:00 p.m.?


19 MEMBER ALBERTI: Last call is

20 when?

21 MR. SISI: Yes.

22 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. I'm going


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1 to have some general comments to you all

2 before we leave. But okay, now the gentleman,

3 Mr. Migues? Okay, I'm not familiar with your

4 -- what's your restaurant?

5 MR. MIGUES: Chicken Tortilla.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, Chicken

7 Tortilla. You're fairly new, I think, aren't

8 you?

9 MR. MIGUES: Correct.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: So I'm not, okay.

11 MR. MIGUES: We're in construction

12 yet.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. I was like

14 okay, there's nothing in that building. Did

15 I miss something? All right, so you're using

16 the interior?

17 MR. MIGUES: Oh, no. No, it's

18 just the --

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: So everything's

20 on the exterior. Are you serving food at all?

21 MR. MIGUES: Yes.

22 MEMBER ALBERTI: From where?


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1 Where are you getting, just out of curiosity,

2 food?

3 MR. MIGUES: Oh, we have a

4 charcoal rotisserie oven.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh, outside?

6 MR. MIGUES: Outside.


8 Okay. And again, you're just until 7:00 p.m.

9 and you'll be breaking everything down.

10 There'll be no activities inside.

11 MR. MIGUES: No activities inside.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. So you're

13 just the exterior. Okay, so you gentlemen,

14 you have to know that we're giving temporary

15 licenses. It is required, absolutely required

16 that you or an ABC licensed manager, someone

17 who has a license to be manager from ABRA, is

18 present the entire time that you're serving.

19 MR. MIGUES: All right.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay? Who is

21 going to be doing ID checking for you all?

22 Why don't we start with Mr. Sisi.


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1 MR. SISI: I have three volunteers

2 assigned for that. One that's checking the

3 barricade, so no alcohol beyond that point.


5 MR. SISI: And I have one that's

6 assisting the cashier who's going to check

7 IDs, an adult obviously, that's checking IDs.

8 And one that's circulating between inside and

9 outside, making sure that no one is handing

10 out alcohol to, you know, people.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: What experience

12 does this person who's checking IDs have?

13 MR. SISI: They're all restaurant

14 people. I've worked with them for about ten,

15 twelve years. They are friends of mine, and

16 we're all experienced restaurateurs.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. I want

18 everything to go smoothly for you, so I'm --

19 MR. SISI: Yes, I want everything

20 to go smoothly, also.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- mindful. It's

22 the same questions for you, Mr. Hahn.


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1 MR. HAHN: Yes. It will be a

2 combination of four individuals. Myself, Yu-

3 yee Chiang, which is ABRA number 092000.

4 And then another ABRA certified

5 TIPS manager, Frank D'Angelo. I don't have his

6 number on me right now.


8 MR. HAHN: And then Mr. Rob

9 Coppock who is the chief operating officer for

10 all of Taylor Gourmet restaurants.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, so just

12 remind your board approved managers to have

13 their cards with them.

14 MR. HAHN: Yes, they've already

15 been told that.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: Great. And Mr.

17 Migues, same questions.

18 MR. MIGUES: Yes, we're going to

19 have three people. And we're going to have a

20 gate so everybody have to go through the gate,

21 everybody have to show their ID before they

22 get in there.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: And who's going

2 to do the ID checking?

3 MR. MIGUES: Well, we're on turns.

4 So three people, myself --

5 MR. STAFILATOS: And me.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: And who are you?

7 Introduce yourself please.

8 MR. STAFILATOS: What's that? I'm

9 sorry.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: Please introduce

11 yourself.

12 MR. STAFILATOS: Oh, I'm sorry.

13 Demetrios Stafilatos with IS Enterprises.


15 MR. STAFILATOS: Basically, this

16 is one of my bosses. They own both IS

17 Enterprises and Chicken Tortilla. So they're

18 just kind of sourcing my services because I'm

19 easy to get at.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. Does

21 anyone, any volunteers have experience with

22 checking IDs?


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1 MR. MIGUES: We already have

2 people from the new restaurant that will have

3 to be on the side. The bartenders and --

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh, from the

5 restaurant that you're planning to open?

6 MR. MIGUES: Or we'll bring in

7 people from the other --

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh, from your

9 current restaurant, your current restaurant

10 being?

11 MR. MIGUES: Chicken Tortilla.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh, I don't know

13 the location.

14 MR. MIGUES: 8th Street.

15 MEMBER ALBERTI: Great. You all

16 have the ID checking books, that's great.

17 Investigators, Mr. Ghenene, any questions?

18 MR. GHENENE: Just to be real

19 careful about monitoring for underage

20 drinking. I can almost guarantee we're going

21 to do ID checks. So just be monitoring that.



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1 CHAIR MILLER: I have a question.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: Sure. Go ahead.

3 CHAIR MILLER: So this is for Mr.

4 Migues and Mr. Sisi. Your establishments are

5 going to use outdoor sidewalk cafes? Are you

6 going to go out to the patio or a sidewalk

7 cafe?

8 MR. MIGUES: Yes.

9 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. Are you

10 using special fencing around the patio?

11 MR. STAFILATOS: Yes we are.

12 CHAIR MILLER: Is it related to

13 the festival's general fencing or what?

14 MR. MIGUES: No, no. We would

15 have, at the other restaurant too, we have a

16 patio with a steel fence that's removable. We

17 will bring it back to this place so we will

18 not use the barriers.

19 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, fine. And

20 Mr. Migues, can you answer that?

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: No, Mr. Sisi.

22 CHAIR MILLER: Mr. Sisi, I'm


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1 sorry.

2 MR. SISI: We're just going to use

3 general fencing.

4 CHAIR MILLER: What?

5 MR. SISI: We always use general

6 fencing as a front from the festival.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: So this is the

8 fencing, just to be clear --

9 MR. SISI: It's a barricade.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- this is the

11 fencing that's being provided by the festival

12 organizers, is that correct?

13 MR. SISI: Yes.

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. That was

15 the question, okay. All right.

16 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. Yes, it

17 wasn't exactly clear on the diagram that there

18 was going to be a fence there. I understood

19 though that she said everyone is required to

20 do that.

21 MR. SISI: Right.

22 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. Thank you.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes, I think it's

2 understood everyone's going to be fenced in.

3 MR. SISI: We did it last year,

4 we'll do it this year.

5 CHAIR MILLER: All right.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes. You did a

7 good job last year. I walked by. So okay.

8 You look puzzled.

9 MR. GHENENE: No, no.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, cool. All

11 right, great. You guys are --

12 CHAIR MILLER: You're missing --

13 MS. MATHIESON: I just want to

14 make sure they pick up some ID books, because

15 we had discussed it. Great. And make sure

16 you just review them and kind of go over it

17 with your staff.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: Great. Just

19 great to have in general. So I guess there's

20 no changes for your applications. Let me give

21 you these three and you can pull them out and

22 we can --


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1 CHAIR MILLER: I have the

2 originals right here.


4 CHAIR MILLER: So I will just put

5 them in the okay pile.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Question?

7 MR. STAFILATOS: Just one

8 question. I believe in the application that we

9 submitted, we said that we were going to stop

10 at 6:00. I just want to make sure --

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: Whose? From?

12 MR. STAFILATOS: Chicken Tortilla.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Not the one I

14 have.

15 MR. STAFILATOS: Okay.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: It says 12:00

17 p.m. until 7:00.

18 MR. STAFILATOS: Okay, just

19 clarifying that just to make sure.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes, you have a

21 seven that almost looks like a four here, but

22 I know it's a seven.


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1 MR. STAFILATOS: It's a seven.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: It's a seven.

3 (Crosstalk)

4 CHAIR MILLER: David Hahn?

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: We're

6 interpreting it as a seven. That's what's

7 important. Thank you guys for coming. Best

8 of luck out there.

9 MR. MIGUES: Thank you, sir.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right, let's

11 continue. We're not doing too badly.

12 CHAIR MILLER: We're doing great.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: I'm going to say

14 Smith Commons.

15 MS. YAP: I'm sorry to interrupt.

16 Da Luft is here.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: Pardon?

18 MS. SOLAJA: Da Luft Restaurant

19 and Lounge, 124218.

20 CHAIR MILLER: Is that you?

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, so you're

22 from Da Luft?


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1 MS. SOLAJA: Yes, I am.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: Why don't you

3 just have a seat because we're going to get to

4 you, all right?

5 MS. SOLAJA: Okay.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes, just have a

7 seat and I'll allow you to introduce yourself

8 and we'll get to you.

9 MS. SOLAJA: All right, no

10 problem.


12 CHAIR MILLER: Absolutely.


14 okay. This is, why don't we have the H Street

15 Playhouse, Mr. Hawkins come forward.

16 MR. HANKINS: Hankins.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: Hankins, I'm

18 sorry. Mr. Hankins, yes. And we're not going

19 to be here until 1:30, Mr. Hankins.

20 MR. HANKINS: Right. Sounds good

21 to me.

22 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh, and Mr. Holt,


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1 if you would come forward, too. Okay. So I'm

2 going to, if you guys can introduce yourselves

3 and who you're with.

4 MR. HANKINS: Sure. Frank Hankins

5 representing H Street Playhouse.


7 MR. HOLT: Ian Holt with Impala.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, great. So

9 I'm going to start with Mr. Hankins. You are

10 going to have, let's start with your sidewalk

11 cafe. Is this a sidewalk cafe until 7:00?

12 MR. HANKINS: Yes, it is.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. And it

14 just spans the front of the building?

15 MR. HANKINS: That's correct.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: And how many

17 entrances and exits will you have from that

18 side?

19 MR. HANKINS: One.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: One, okay great.

21 So the question for you was what's happening

22 inside? Tell us a little bit about what your


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1 plans for the inside are.

2 MR. HANKINS: Sure. So I'm sure

3 you're familiar with the Playhouse, Mr.

4 Alberti.

5 There is the section, I guess what

6 you would call the reception area, that's the

7 only area that's going to be open up until

8 5:00 p.m. because we're going to sell tickets

9 for people to get alcohol. We don't want to

10 have money exchanged outside if at all

11 possible.


13 MR. HANKINS: So we're going to

14 sell tickets for people to exchange at their

15 ticket booth inside the Playhouse.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: In the lobby?

17 MR. HANKINS: In the lobby area

18 for people to purchase beer. And the actual

19 theater section of the Playhouse won't open

20 until 5:00 p.m., at which time we have live

21 music starting then.

22 But since there's a stage right


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1 outside of our front door, we don't want to

2 compete with the stage out front until later

3 in the evening.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: So you are asking

5 for a license for consumption, well let's put

6 it this way, make things simple. You're

7 asking for a license for consumption in the

8 lobby and the sidewalk?

9 MR. HANKINS: Correct.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: When does the

11 theater part open?

12 MR. HANKINS: 5:00 p.m.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: 5:00 p.m., okay.

14 So you're asking for a license for consumption

15 for the sidewalk until 7:00 p.m., right?

16 MR. HANKINS: The sidewalk and

17 lobby until 7:00 p.m.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: Hold on, let's --

19 MR. HANKINS: Yes. Correct, yes.

20 That's correct.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: You're asking for

22 the lobby basically all day until --


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1 MR. HANKINS: Until last call.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- the whole

3 time?


5 MEMBER ALBERTI: From 12:00 p.m.

6 until 11:45?


8 MEMBER ALBERTI: Right. And then

9 the interior from 5:00 p.m. until?

10 MR. HANKINS: Until 11:45.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. And the

12 interior, you're going to have live

13 entertainment?

14 MR. HANKINS: Yes, that's correct.

15 MEMBER ALBERTI: What kind of live

16 entertainment?

17 MR. HANKINS: Yes, bands from

18 Capitol Hill.

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. How many

20 people are you expecting?

21 MR. HANKINS: At that hour, not

22 any more than 100 to 150.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. So it's

2 important that we know. So 150 max --

3 MR. HANKINS: A hundred and fifty,

4 max.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- is what you're

6 planning on?

7 MR. HANKINS: Yes.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: What kind of

9 security will you have for the inside in the

10 evening?

11 MR. HANKINS: We have three

12 security people that are going to be working

13 with us all day.

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. Are they

15 going to be tired at night?

16 MR. HANKINS: They may be, but

17 they're getting paid.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, okay. I

19 see puzzled looks here. So how does the ID

20 checking? I'm on the sidewalk, and now I want

21 to go in and see the bands in the evening.

22 How's that going to --


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1 MR. HANKINS: Okay, so during the

2 day --

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: How's the ID

4 checking working because you're selling

5 tickets so explain it to me.

6 MR. HANKINS: Sure. During the

7 day, starting at noon we will have, as I

8 mentioned, one entrance into the gated area.


10 MR. HANKINS: We will have one

11 security person at that entrance checking IDs.

12 Since we're not selling really anything other

13 than alcohol, we will have soft drinks, but

14 we're going to card right at the gate.

15 We're also going to have a second

16 security person immediately outside the gate

17 just to monitor to make sure nobody's passing

18 alcohol over the gate or just that people

19 aren't trying to sneak in.

20 And then our third person will be

21 inside the lobby, and this is up until 7:00

22 p.m. Once we start the music at 5:00 p.m. and


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1 once the festival stops at 7:00 p.m., the

2 security people will be inside, in which case

3 we'll have one person stationed at the

4 entrance to the actual building of H Street

5 Playhouse checking IDs. And we are going to

6 use wristbands during the whole day of the

7 festival.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. Okay.

9 Will you be there the entire day?

10 MR. HANKINS: I'll be there the

11 whole day. I'll be there at 8 o'clock in the

12 morning until midnight.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. And you

14 understand the need for, you're experienced,

15 you understand the need for a licensed

16 manager?

17 MR. HANKINS: I do. Yes, we'll

18 have at least three people there with ABC

19 licenses.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, great. Mr.

21 Ghenene, any questions?

22 MR. GHENENE: Yes, thank you Mr.


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1 Alberti. You represented to the Board that

2 you're going to make sure that 150 people is

3 your maximum occupancy inside the Playhouse?


5 MR. GHENENE: How are you going to

6 make sure that you don't go past that number?

7 MR. HANKINS: We can get a

8 clicker, if it's necessary.

9 MR. GHENENE: Okay. And the only

10 reason I ask is because --

11 MR. HANKINS: The occupancy for

12 the building is much larger than that.

13 MR. GHENENE: No, I get that. And

14 I think we had spoke about that.

15 MR. HANKINS: Right, right.

16 MR. GHENENE: You know, I think

17 that this year's festival as represented by

18 the Main Street licensees is going to be

19 significantly larger.

20 And I guess we just want to make

21 sure that you're properly equipped to handle

22 larger crowds. So in the event that, if it's


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1 not going to be 150, then you know, you need

2 to speak on that.

3 MR. HANKINS: No, understood.

4 Well, as I've mentioned to the board, the fact

5 that the larger area of the whole Playhouse is

6 going to be closed all the way up until 5:00

7 p.m., we probably can't even fit 150 people

8 between the lobby and the outside space.


10 MR. HANKINS: And once the

11 festival's over, I expect that a lot of people

12 aren't going to stick around.

13 They're probably going to be spent

14 and, you know, we're going to have a number of

15 bands that are inviting people from Capitol

16 Hill area and their friends. But I can't

17 imagine it's going to be any more than 150

18 people.

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. That's

20 your choice, because we're going to go by

21 that, all right?

22 MR. HANKINS: Yes.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: And partly we

2 need to know because we need to know what

3 expectation and number of security. And you

4 have three security for 150 people. You're

5 within our guidelines.

6 CHAIR MILLER: And I just wanted

7 to --

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, go ahead.

9 I don't know who you want to call.

10 CHAIR MILLER: I was just curious

11 about those 150 people, and if the space can

12 accommodate more than 150 people, and you're

13 having bands, is that what you're saying?

14 MR. HANKINS: Yes, that's correct.

15 CHAIR MILLER: So if you had 200

16 people who wanted to come hear the bands, are

17 you saying you would turn away 50 people.

18 MR. HANKINS: If we have to.

19 CHAIR MILLER: Well, I think --

20 MR. HANKINS: Okay. Well can I

21 amend and say 200?

22 CHAIR MILLER: Well, I think the


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1 issue is --

2 MR. HANKINS: Well I think the

3 issue is --

4 MR. HANKINS: I mean, because the

5 capacity of the building is much larger.

6 CHAIR MILLER: Right. Okay, I

7 just want to ask my investigators, too. But

8 I think the issue is not that you couldn't

9 have 200, but if you had 200, you would need

10 to have more security.

11 MR. HANKINS: Okay. Well then

12 we're going to max it out at 150 because we

13 have three security people.


15 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. Yes, these

16 are local bands. So I understand your point

17 about not expecting a big crowd there.

18 MR. HANKINS: Right. Yes, they're

19 most of them from the neighborhood.

20 CHAIR MILLER: Ms. Mathieson has a

21 question.



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1 MS. MATHIESON: So I just want to

2 make sure I understand correctly, you're not

3 going to offer any food at all? It's alcohol

4 only?

5 MR. HANKINS: No, no, no. We do

6 have a vendor that's serving food.

7 MS. MATHIESON: Okay.

8 MR. HANKINS: 13th Street Meats is

9 serving food.

10 MS. MATHIESON: Where will they

11 be? In your lobby?

12 MR. HANKINS: 13th Street Meets,

13 because they have a propane tank, I mean,

14 they'll be outside in the beer garden area.

15 MS. MATHIESON: In the actual

16 alcohol service area will be the food vendor?

17 In your sidewalk cafe, your actual fenced in

18 area will be your food vendor?

19 MR. HANKINS: That's correct.


21 MR. HANKINS: I mean, the way it's

22 going to be set up is it's going to be set up


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1 to where their table is going to be on the

2 front. So it's going to almost act as a

3 barrier, similar to, so that people that

4 aren't coming in can purchase stuff from them

5 without having to come in.

6 MS. MATHIESON: So that after

7 7:00, your food would end?


9 MS. MATHIESON: So from 7:00 to

10 midnight would be alcohol only?

11 MR. HANKINS: They will likely

12 come inside, but there is outdoor public space

13 in the back where if they continue to use

14 their propane, they'll have to use the outdoor

15 private space.

16 MS. MATHIESON: Okay, so you have

17 no contract after 7:00?

18 MR. HANKINS: I'm sorry?

19 MS. MATHIESON: The food vendor

20 you have contracted after 7:00 p.m.?

21 MR. HANKINS: They said that they

22 may go up until 9:00, but it partly depends on


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1 how much product they have left. And that's

2 why I don't want to say a time.

3 MS. MATHIESON: Okay. So your

4 security, are they trained for over service of

5 alcohol?

6 MR. HANKINS: Yes.

7 MS. MATHIESON: Because it's going

8 to be a long day and people get there at 12:00

9 and --

10 MR. HANKINS: Yes, well let me

11 state also, my name is on the application, but

12 I'm doing this as part of Brooklyn's Finest.

13 So there's three owners that are a part of

14 this. I'm just the representative.


16 MR. HANKINS: So we have security

17 both coming from The Pug as well as from

18 Solly's Tavern on U Street.

19 MS. MATHIESON: Right.

20 MR. HANKINS: All three of us are

21 doing this together. I'm just the person on

22 the application.


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1 MS. MATHIESON: Okay. So they'll

2 be monitoring them for --

3 MR. HANKINS: Yes, so you'll have

4 myself, you'll have John Solomon who's also an

5 owner of an establishment --

6 MS. MATHIESON: Okay, I just want

7 to make sure you're aware of that because,

8 like I said, it will be a really long day.

9 And you know, if you don't have food and

10 everyone's just in there drinking and --

11 MR. HANKINS: I've done this for

12 the last six years on H Street. So yes, this

13 is my fifth festival.


15 MEMBER ALBERTI: I wasn't going to

16 ask just, I know Mr. Hankins.

17 MS. MATHIESON: Oh, okay.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: No, I'm glad you

19 asked. But Mr. Hankins is experienced.


21 MEMBER ALBERTI: The fellow board

22 members know that --


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1 MS. MATHIESON: Okay, okay.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: Right. You have

3 an establishment on H Street --

4 MR. HANKINS: Right, three doors

5 down, right.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- Brooklyn's

7 Finest and one of your partners --

8 MR. HANKINS: Right.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: One of your

10 partners, I guess you're partnering with the

11 person --

12 MR. HANKINS: Mr. Tomelden, who

13 was just here, but got dismissed because of

14 The Pug.

15 MEMBER ALBERTI: Right, from The

16 Pug, right.

17 MR. HANKINS: And John Solomon

18 from Solly's.

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: He's right there

20 on H Street, right. Okay.

21 MR. HANKINS: The three of us are

22 doing the event together.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: So I am going to

2 actually have you amend where it says number

3 of people. Just cross out, it says 75,000 for

4 festival, and just leave 150 for us.

5 MR. HANKINS: Okay.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right?

7 Investigators, should I have him be more

8 specific on the hours for the portions, or do

9 you have enough information?

10 MR. GHENENE: I think we have

11 enough.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: You have enough,

13 because I don't want you guys to go out there

14 and be confused, and then have to, right. It

15 makes everything go smoother. So I'll just

16 have him do the max number. So this is --

17 CHAIR MILLER: I have it.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- Mr. Hankins.

19 And he's just going to leave where it says on

20 number 20, just leave the 150 for us and cross

21 out the rest and then initial it.

22 MR. HANKINS: Okay.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: And you're good.

2 Okay.

3 CHAIR MILLER: I'm just reviewing

4 your application.

5 MR. HANKINS: Sure.

6 CHAIR MILLER: And saw someone has

7 highlighted the fact that you didn't fill in

8 a -- certificate, which is, yes,

9 certification, your title. Do you have a

10 title?

11 MR. HANKINS: For one day?

12 CHAIR MILLER: I don't know.

13 MR. HANKINS: King. King for a

14 day.

15 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. So this is

16 coming back to you and for just cross out that

17 75,000, correct?

18 MR. HANKINS: Seventy five

19 thousand?

20 CHAIR MILLER: Yes, 75,000 people

21 that you expect.

22 MR. HANKINS: Right, 75 people not


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1 75,000.

2 CHAIR MILLER: It says 75,000 for

3 Festival and 150 for us.

4 MR. HANKINS: Oh, I see what

5 you're saying. As far, okay understood.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Just what I just

7 talked --

8 MR. HANKINS: I see what you're

9 saying. Yes, got it.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: You were going to

11 cross that.

12 MR. HANKINS: Got it, got it, got

13 it.

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: We're dotting all

15 the i's and crossing all the t's. And thanks

16 for your patience. All right, so someone will

17 get that to you. Okay, so I will get to you

18 from Da Luft. Thank you. I haven't forgotten

19 that you're here. Mr. Holt?

20 MR. HOLT: Yes?

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: You are doing,

22 let me see. Oh, this is the properties at 138


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1 and I'm sorry, 1358 and 1356 --

2 MR. HOLT: Yes.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- H street. So

4 okay, first of all, you have your hours until

5 8:00 p.m.

6 MR. HOLT: Yes.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: Why is --

8 MR. HOLT: Well, I mean --

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: Are you going to

10 go in, because this is interior?

11 MR. HOLT: Correct.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: You're going

13 outside also?

14 MR. HOLT: Well, it's the

15 courtyard between the two buildings.


17 MR. HOLT: So it's not public

18 space.

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: Right, it isn't.

20 MR. HOLT: Right.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: So it's the

22 courtyard between the buildings. So you're


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1 asking for servicing until 8:00 p.m.?

2 MR. HOLT: Yes.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, that's

4 fine.

5 MR. HOLT: Okay. Am I done?


7 MR. HOLT: Okay, I just wanted to

8 make sure.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: Thank you.

10 CHAIR MILLER: You have to come

11 back in tomorrow, you know.

12 MR. HOLT: Oh yes, for sure.


14 MR. HOLT: Thank you.

15 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, thank you

16 very much.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: Well, I'll ask my

18 fellow board members, but it's not unusual to

19 give temporary licenses until 8:00 p.m.

20 because you're not going to be on public

21 space.



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2 be --

3 MR. HOLT: I know everything's

4 ending at 7:00. We just, since we're on the

5 private space, that extra hour --

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. So before

7 we get to the --

8 CHAIR MILLER: I had a question

9 about that, though. So does the festival have

10 an issue with that?

11 MR. SALEEM: No.

12 CHAIR MILLER: No? Okay.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Thank you Mr.

14 Saleem.


16 CHAIR MILLER: Well, maybe you

17 should get it on the record.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: Introduce

19 yourself, Mr. Saleem.

20 MR. SALEEM: Anwar Saleem. We

21 were little concerned about people on the

22 street and impeding traffic after hours. They


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1 off the street, in the gated area. We're fine

2 with that.


4 MR. SALEEM: And I think it's

5 encouraging to help get some people off the

6 street to pull them inside of another place.

7 CHAIR MILLER: Right, that makes

8 total sense.

9 MR. SALEEM: Yes.


11 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right Mr.

12 Holt, this is the lot next to Gallery O, is

13 that correct?

14 MR. HOLT: That's correct.

15 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right. It

16 looks like, well from your diagram it looks

17 like you're using part of Gallery O. Can you

18 just tell me, if you could describe --

19 MR. HOLT: We're not using Gallery

20 O, but there's a section behind the gallery

21 that is technically a separate address.



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1 MR. HOLT: So I included that just

2 to be 100 percent clear.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: So you're the

4 vacant lot that's adjacent to Gallery O?


6 MEMBER ALBERTI: And then --

7 MR. HOLT: That is 1356.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: Thirteen fifty-

9 six.

10 MR. HOLT: And then the little cut

11 out behind the gallery is technically theirs,

12 1354.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. Are you

14 using any part of the gallery?

15 MR. HOLT: No.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: Then we will not

17 expect any consumption or sales in the

18 Gallery, is that correct?

19 MR. HOLT: No.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, because I

21 know people will be coming and going.

22 MR. HOLT: They have their own


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1 thing going.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, so how do

3 they enter your area?

4 MR. HOLT: There's a fence along

5 the sidewalk. There's a gate and I'll have

6 security checking IDs right there.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. Can they

8 enter --

9 MR. HOLT: There's no other way to

10 get in.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- license, can

12 they enter Gallery O?

13 MR. HOLT: No. I mean, they can

14 go in through --

15 (Crosstalk)

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- onto the

17 street.

18 MR. HOLT: They can go in through

19 Gallery O, and there is a door that goes out

20 to the patio, but it's not going to be open.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right, that's

22 not an exit. That's not going to be open?


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1 MR. HOLT: No.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: So there'll be no

3 egress, people will not be coming, except on

4 the sidewalk, from the sidewalk, there will be

5 no people --

6 MR. HOLT: They won't go through

7 the --

8 (Crosstalk)

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- into or out of

10 your licensed area?

11 MR. HOLT: That's correct.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. So you've

13 got the lot is between two buildings.

14 MR. HOLT: Right.

15 MEMBER ALBERTI: And the back of

16 the buildings --

17 MR. HOLT: Another fence.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: What's the

19 fencing like?

20 MR. HOLT: It's a tall fence and

21 one gate to come in and out, and that's where,

22 like, the band will load in and out.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: And will that be

2 secured?

3 MR. HOLT: There'll be another

4 security guard there, as well.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: So all of the

6 patrons will come and go from the street?



9 people are you expecting?

10 MR. HOLT: We were --

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: At one time.

12 MR. HOLT: Two hundred.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Maximum 200?

14 MR. HOLT: Yes.

15 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. And how

16 many security people will you have?

17 MR. HOLT: I've got three plus the

18 three owners, and I have the manager's

19 license.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: You have a

21 manager's license?

22 MR. HOLT: Yes, I do.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: Does anyone else

2 have a manger's license?

3 MR. HOLT: They have the training.

4 They haven't received the license yet.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. So you

6 will have to be there the entire time.

7 MR. HOLT: Absolutely.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right. No

9 problem. Okay, because if investigators show

10 up and you're not there and there's not a

11 licensed manager --

12 MR. HOLT: I'm not going anywhere.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- we're going to

14 --

15 MR. HOLT: I understand.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right, all

17 right. Just as long as you know. All right,

18 we have to do this.

19 MR. HOLT: Sure.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: We have to treat

21 everybody the same, it's in our regs. Who's

22 doing ID checking?


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1 MR. HOLT: I'm sorry?

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: Who's doing ID

3 checking?

4 MR. HOLT: We've hired a company,

5 they're called Awesome Security. They've done

6 this before. I just got the name, I laughed

7 myself.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: Do they bill

9 themselves as having training for ID checking?

10 MR. HOLT: Yes.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. All right.

12 MR. HOLT: And I will go over it

13 with them ahead of time, as well.

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: Please do.

15 MR. HOLT: Yes, absolutely.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: Because you're

17 responsible.

18 MR. HOLT: You better believe me,

19 I know.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Investigators?

21 Mr. Ghenene?

22 MR. GHENENE: I have a question.


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1 Are you guys going to have, like, and I can

2 explain my question, but are you guys going to

3 have portable restrooms on your property?

4 MR. HOLT: Yes.


6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Food, will you be

7 having food?

8 MR. HOLT: Pardon?

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: Will you have

10 food? Will you serve food?

11 MR. HOLT: Yes, we're serving food

12 on the space in front of the building to the

13 sidewalk. We're serving until 7:00.

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: In front of what

15 building?

16 MR. HOLT: Thirteen fifty-eight.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: Which is to the

18 right of what I'm looking at.

19 MR. HOLT: Of the courtyard.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: To the right of

21 the vacant lot?



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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: And you're

2 serving food there on the sidewalk out --

3 okay, so is there any consumption, there's

4 service of alcohol there?

5 MR. HOLT: No.


7 MR. HOLT: Absolutely not. We'll

8 sell to people walking by. If they want to

9 take their food inside, they'll get their ID

10 checked first.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: Great. Any other

12 questions, investigators?

13 MS. MATHIESON: Yes. I'm sure you

14 remember last year we had an issue where you

15 were after your, I guess it was 8 o'clock

16 hour. So you understand this year the --

17 MR. HOLT: Very much so.

18 MS. MATHIESON: -- sales

19 consumption employees are not -- ends at 8:00?

20 MR. HOLT: Yes.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: We really do

22 expect people to be out by 8:00.


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1 MR. HOLT: I understand.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: I know it's hard

3 when you're having fun.

4 MR. HOLT: I don't want to put

5 anyone at risk.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right, so I

7 think there's really nothing to be amended on

8 your license. Are we good to go with this

9 one?

10 CHAIR MILLER: Yes, tomorrow.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right, you

12 can come by tomorrow and pick up your license.

13 CHAIR MILLER: Do you have a

14 question?

15 MR. SALEEM: I have a question. I

16 was saying before, venues like his, it would

17 be good if they can go a couple hours longer

18 to help pull people off the street, versus

19 8:00 because we want to keep people off the

20 street.

21 I know he put it in for 8:00, but

22 if I was him and I known, I would asked him to


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1 do longer hours because they're away from the

2 festival and that will help pull people off

3 the street for a period of time and keep that

4 traffic flowing, which I think we need, it

5 would be helpful.

6 So it's up to him to want that

7 from you guys. But I think it would be good.

8 CHAIR MILLER: Well, I want to

9 know what the applicant wants to do.

10 MR. HOLT: I would be happy going

11 until 9:00.

12 CHAIR MILLER: Until 9:00? Mr.

13 Ghenene?

14 MR. GHENENE: My only concern

15 would be that as we've kind of talked about

16 earlier, you're talking about now potentially

17 ten hour shift for three security guards

18 dealing with hundreds of people all day and ID

19 checking.

20 And that can wear on you. You

21 know, you're not as alert, you're not as

22 sharp.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: But you're hiring

2 a security company to do this?

3 MR. HOLT: Yes. I mean, we have

4 guys coming in that will be changing out at

5 the front.

6 CHAIR MILLER: They'll be

7 changing? The security?

8 MR. HOLT: In other words,

9 changing positions within. Obviously one

10 person isn't going to check the IDs for nine

11 hours.

12 We have other guys who are going

13 to be standing around telling people not to go

14 there, don't do that. They'll switch out.

15 CHAIR MILLER: But, I'm sorry,

16 it's the same three people --

17 MR. HOLT: Yes.

18 CHAIR MILLER: -- throughout that

19 time.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right, the

21 other concern I have, Mr. Holt, is you don't

22 have another licensed manager.


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1 MR. HOLT: Okay.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: You can't be

3 expected to be there all day. I just, you

4 know, I don't know. We're going to hold you

5 to it.

6 MR. HOLT: Okay. I'm not going

7 anywhere.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: How does anyone

9 else feel about --

10 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, it's best at

11 7:00.

12 MR. HOLT: Until I lock the doors

13 and leave.

14 CHAIR MILLER: No, it's kind of up

15 to us because Mr. Ghenene's advising against

16 it, yes.

17 MR. GHENENE: I'm asking, I was

18 just asking about the security. And then the

19 other thing is if you added another hour of

20 service, would that mean that you add another

21 hour of food service, as well?

22 MR. HOLT: No, because it's on the


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1 sidewalk.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: No, I mean

3 interior.

4 MR. HOLT: No.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: Because I think

6 the food service stops at 7:00, is that

7 correct?

8 MR. HOLT: Yes.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: So it would be

10 two hours --

11 MR. HOLT: We'll just keep it at

12 8:00.

13 CHAIR MILLER: Right, right.

14 MR. HOLT: I mean, this was kind

15 of unexpected. So it's sort of hard to deal

16 with.

17 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, all right.

18 No, maybe next year. If you can think about

19 it and plan, yes.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Think about it

21 ahead of time next year. All right.

22 CHAIR MILLER: Thank you, yes


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1 you're finished.

2 MR. HOLT: All good? Thank you.

3 CHAIR MILLER: Come back tomorrow,

4 okay.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, so all

6 right. I had the three H Street Main Street -

7 -

8 CHAIR MILLER: Do you have a

9 question?

10 MR. HANKINS: I have one question.

11 For, again, Frank Hankins for the H Street

12 Playhouse. I was wondering if it was

13 possible, my business, I work all day

14 tomorrow.

15 So as far as picking up, Tony

16 Tomelden has permission to pick up. He's

17 picking up for the Pug and for H Street

18 Playhouse.


20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes, I don't

21 think that's an issue.

22 MR. HANKINS: Okay. I don't know


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1 if they're going to ask to see --

2 CHAIR MILLER: I'll write it down.

3 I don't think so, but Tony Domelden?

4 MR. HANKINS: Arthur Tomelden.

5 CHAIR MILLER: He is picking up

6 Sticky Rice and --

7 MR. HANKINS: No, he's picking up

8 for the Pug --

9 CHAIR MILLER: The Pug, okay.

10 MR. HANKINS: -- and for H Street

11 Playhouse.

12 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. Yes.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, I'm getting

14 nods from our staff.

15 CHAIR MILLER: Shouldn't be a

16 problem. Well, we note that down. He's paid?

17 MR. HANKINS: Yes, yes. He'll

18 have paid. Thank you.

19 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, thank you

20 very much.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. Let's get

22 to these quickly. Okay, Granville Moore's


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1 Brickyard? So I think someone from Smith

2 Commons was going to represent them.

3 MR. LEBARRON: I'm here.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh, excellent.

5 Thank you. That makes my life easier. Okay,

6 let's just deal with this one real quickly,

7 and then --

8 CHAIR MILLER: I'm sorry.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- I'll come back

10 to the one from Da Luft. Okay, so --

11 CHAIR MILLER: Could you just

12 identify yourself again?

13 MR. LEBARRON: Matthew LeBarron.

14 CHAIR MILLER: And you're with

15 who?

16 MR. LEBARRON: Granville Moore's.

17 CHAIR MILLER: Oh, you're here.

18 MR. LEBARRON: Yes.

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh, great.


21 MEMBER ALBERTI: And I have no

22 questions for this one. But you weren't here


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1 earlier so --

2 MR. LEBARRON: Correct.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: Unfortunately.

4 So I think --


6 MEMBER ALBERTI: I have no

7 questions for this one. I'm ready to --

8 MR. LEBARRON: Good to go?

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: You okay?

10 CHAIR MILLER: Unfortunately you

11 have to come back tomorrow to pick up a

12 license.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: You have to come

14 back tomorrow. Thank you for your patience.

15 MR. LEBARRON: Take care. Thank

16 you guys very much.


18 your patience.


20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Thank you. Okay,

21 the person representing Da Luft, if you will

22 come forward, please introduce yourself. Tell


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1 us who you're with and what your position is

2 with the establishment.

3 MS. SOLAJA: Okay. My name's Toby

4 Solaja and I'm representing Da Luft Restaurant

5 and Lounge on 1242 H Street. And my position

6 with them, I'm operations manager.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. And can

8 you spell your last name?

9 MS. SOLAJA: S-O-L-A-J-A.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, Solaja?

11 MS. SOLAJA: Yes.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. So this is

13 actually your first time?

14 MS. SOLAJA: This is our first

15 time.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: This is your

17 first time, you're a brand new establishment,

18 am I right?

19 MS. SOLAJA: Yes, we are a brand

20 new establishment.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right. I'm

22 going to actually spend some time because you


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1 weren't here earlier --

2 MS. SOLAJA: Okay, no problem.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- and you

4 haven't done this before.

5 MS. SOLAJA: Okay, that's not a

6 problem.


8 you were licensed to the width of your

9 building out into the parking lane?

10 MS. SOLAJA: That's right.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: To the first

12 traffic lane, correct?

13 MS. SOLAJA: Yes.

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: And you'll have

15 barriers around the --

16 MS. SOLAJA: Right.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: I can guarantee

18 you from past experience, I bet no one else

19 has told you, that you will have a huge crowd,

20 which would probably be good for you, right?

21 MS. SOLAJA: Okay.

22 MEMBER ALBERTI: It's almost


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1 guaranteed at this festival.

2 MS. SOLAJA: Okay.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: Which means that

4 you got a big responsibility, all right?

5 We're expecting you to monitor for underage

6 drinking.

7 MS. SOLAJA: Not a problem.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: So how many

9 entrances and exits are you going to have?

10 MS. SOLAJA: There's just going to

11 be one entrance. And that's because we're

12 going to extend it to the parking lane. So we

13 have the eight gates that we're going to put

14 around it.

15 And then we're going to make room

16 for just one entrance where we'll have two

17 security guards stationed there. And then

18 we'll have four others on the inside of the

19 building.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Of the building?

21 MS. SOLAJA: Yes.

22 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right, okay.


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1 So one of those persons will be doing ID

2 checking?

3 MS. SOLAJA: Yes, one of those

4 persons will be doing the ID checking. And we

5 also got a fake ID detector as well so we

6 don't have any problems with underage people

7 coming in.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: And will the

9 other person be monitoring -- the only things

10 we're concerned about is you're going to be

11 crowded. You're going to be shoulder to

12 shoulder, you're going to be up to that gate,

13 up to the fencing. Make sure that your

14 personnel, your one personnel monitoring the

15 perimeter.

16 MS. SOLAJA: Okay. No problem.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay? So people

18 aren't holding a drink, handing drinks off to

19 the crowd who will be right up against your

20 fence on the outside. All right?


22 MEMBER ALBERTI: Because you're


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1 responsible.

2 MS. SOLAJA: Yes, we are

3 responsible.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right,

5 someone comes and says oh, I got that from Da

6 Luft, and they're out in the street --

7 MS. SOLAJA: Then we're

8 responsible for that.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: You're

10 responsible.


12 MEMBER ALBERTI: So Mr. Ghenene,

13 do you have anything to add to that? I'm

14 sorry.

15 MR. GHENENE: No problem.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: Ms. Miller, yes

17 go ahead. I'm sorry.

18 CHAIR MILLER: I had a --

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right, go

20 ahead. I'm sorry.

21 CHAIR MILLER: I just had a

22 question.


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1 MS. SOLAJA: Okay.

2 CHAIR MILLER: What is your fake

3 ID detector? What are you referring to?

4 MS. SOLAJA: We ordered it off

5 Amazon. I don't know the make and the model

6 of it because I didn't place the order for it.

7 But I can have them forward me an email with

8 the receipt right now.

9 CHAIR MILLER: So you're not

10 familiar really with how it works at this

11 point?

12 MS. SOLAJA: With the fake ID

13 detector?


15 MS. SOLAJA: No, I believe when

16 they tender their ID, you run it under and I

17 was told it runs for ultraviolet. That's the

18 only word that really caught on to me that

19 shows you whether or not it's fake. I'm not

20 sure the procedure because I won't be working

21 that particular station.

22 MEMBER ALBERTI: Wait, let me.


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1 Can I follow up? The people who are using

2 this, are they experienced?

3 MS. SOLAJA: Oh, yes they are.

4 They already got training for that. But I

5 wasn't involved in that.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Do they work at

7 your establishment currently?

8 MS. SOLAJA: Pardon me?

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: Are these

10 experienced staff from your establishment?

11 MS. SOLAJA: Oh, yes. They're

12 hired through the company, through our

13 company. They're security personnel with the

14 company.

15 And one of them, they're leaders

16 in SBO. And then the five others actually

17 have experience working at lounges and clubs,

18 as well. So they're familiar with checking

19 IDs.

20 CHAIR MILLER: So you're hiring

21 security that you've hired before for your

22 restaurant?


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1 MS. SOLAJA: For our restaurant,

2 yes.


4 MS. SOLAJA: They're one of our

5 employees.

6 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. They're your

7 employee or they work for the security

8 company?

9 MS. SOLAJA: No, no. Employees.

10 CHAIR MILLER: They're your own

11 employees?

12 MS. SOLAJA: They're our own

13 employees.


15 MS. SOLAJA: So it was a direct

16 hire.

17 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, so you have

18 how many for security?

19 MS. SOLAJA: Six security.

20 CHAIR MILLER: Six, okay. And you

21 said that, have all six been trained on this

22 machine?


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1 MS. SOLAJA: All six of them have

2 been trained on the machine, that's the word

3 I got.

4 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, do you know

5 where they were trained?

6 MS. SOLAJA: At Da Luft. At the

7 restaurant.

8 CHAIR MILLER: Do you know who

9 trained them?

10 MS. SOLAJA: Yes. Ike. Iwanery is

11 his last name. Ike is his first name.

12 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, I'm going to

13 let Mr. Ghenene pick it up.

14 MR. GHENENE: Yes, thank you.

15 First of all, as far as this ID checking

16 machine, I don't want you or your staff to

17 have a lot of confidence in it. This is the

18 best tool that you could use is the ID

19 checking guide.

20 MS. SOLAJA: Oh, okay.

21 MR. GHENENE: And then using

22 magnifying glasses, flashlights, UV light,


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1 that kind of thing. But simply just running

2 an ID through a machine is not satisfactory.

3 MS. SOLAJA: Oh, I'm sorry.

4 MR. GHENENE: No, that's fine.

5 That's fine.

6 MS. SOLAJA: I should have

7 clarified. They're actually going to take a

8 look at it, and then if they feel anything's

9 suspicious is when they use the machine.

10 MR. GHENENE: Right. So I guess

11 my point is is that these days, fake IDs are

12 so good --

13 MS. SOLAJA: Oh, I see.

14 MR. GHENENE: -- that they're

15 going to pass all those sniff tests.


17 MR. GHENENE: And that will not be

18 satisfactory.


20 MR. GHENENE: So if you're going

21 to be utilizing tools, the recommendation is

22 to utilize the tools and look for the things


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1 that these guides list because that would be

2 a much better standard at the door.

3 MS. SOLAJA: Okay.

4 MR. GHENENE: So here's two.

5 MS. SOLAJA: Thank you. May I

6 please have an extra one, please?


8 MS. SOLAJA: Thank you.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: That's excellent

10 advice for the festival and for your

11 operations.


13 MR. GHENENE: Okay. And then

14 second thing is are you going to be utilizing

15 space inside of this establishment?

16 MS. SOLAJA: During the festival?

17 MR. GHENENE: Yes.

18 MS. SOLAJA: No, we're not going

19 to have people come in during the festival.

20 MR. GHENENE: What about

21 afterwards?

22 MS. SOLAJA: Yes, we are.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: But Mr. Ghenene,

2 they are licensed.

3 MS. SOLAJA: We are.

4 MR. GHENENE: And how long have

5 you guys been open?

6 MS. SOLAJA: We're actually using

7 Saturday as our soft opening.

8 MR. GHENENE: Okay so --

9 MS. SOLAJA: We haven't opened to

10 the public yet.

11 MR. GHENENE: Saturday's your

12 first night open?

13 MS. SOLAJA: Yes.

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: Did you have a

15 soft opening?

16 MS. SOLAJA: No, we're using

17 Saturday night as our soft opening.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, great,

19 great. I was confused a little bit.

20 MS. SOLAJA: No, sorry.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: The building's

22 been there so long, I think.


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1 MR. GHENENE: I apologize for

2 asking a question because it's my own fault

3 for not knowing --

4 MS. SOLAJA: No, not a problem.

5 MR. GHENENE: -- but are you guys

6 offering entertainment Saturday night?

7 MS. SOLAJA: Saturday night, yes.

8 MR. GHENENE: What kind of

9 entertainment?

10 MS. SOLAJA: There's a Jazz band,

11 I believe, coming in on Saturday night. And

12 they're meant to start from 8 o'clock after

13 everything has been broken down outside.

14 That's when they start up, and

15 they run until about 9:30.

16 MR. GHENENE: 8:00 until 9:30?


18 MR. GHENENE: And then after 9:30,

19 there'll be no more entertainment?

20 MS. SOLAJA: No, there will be

21 entertainment. Our in house DJ will still be

22 there.


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1 MR. GHENENE: DJ?

2 MS. SOLAJA: Yes.

3 MR. GHENENE: And will it be 21

4 and over?

5 MS. SOLAJA: Definitely 21 and

6 over.

7 MR. GHENENE: And cover charge?

8 MS. SOLAJA: No, no cover charge.

9 MR. GHENENE: And will the six

10 security guards or security staff continue for

11 the remainder of the night?

12 MS. SOLAJA: No, we're having a

13 different shift come in because they would

14 have worked a long shift --


16 MS. SOLAJA: -- from 11:00 to that

17 point.

18 MR. GHENENE: So how many will you

19 have?

20 MS. SOLAJA: We're having three

21 come in at that point in time because we're

22 only going to use the first floor for that.


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1 MR. GHENENE: Okay. So from --

2 MS. SOLAJA: From 11:00 to 7:30,

3 well 7:30 because that's when we'll be done

4 with the breakdown.


6 MS. SOLAJA: And then the next

7 shift picks up from 8 o'clock when the band

8 starts.

9 MR. GHENENE: 8:00 p.m. until what

10 time?

11 MS. SOLAJA: 8:00 p.m. until our

12 official close time, which would be 3:00 a.m.

13 for that night.

14 MR. GHENENE: Okay, so 8:00 to

15 3:00, you have three security guards?

16 MS. SOLAJA: Yes, for the first

17 floor.

18 MR. GHENENE: For the first floor.

19 MS. SOLAJA: Yes, just the first

20 floor, we'll be using that night.

21 MR. GHENENE: You have a second

22 floor?


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1 MS. SOLAJA: We do have a second

2 floor.

3 MR. GHENENE: But you will not be

4 using it?

5 MS. SOLAJA: No, we won't be using

6 it for that night.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: For that night?

8 MS. SOLAJA: No.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: You have a

10 rooftop deck, don't you also?

11 MS. SOLAJA: We do, but right now

12 we're still working on getting the third and

13 the fourth floor on the C of O. So we can't

14 use those right now at all.


16 MR. GHENENE: Third and the

17 fourth, but you can use the second?

18 MS. SOLAJA: We can use the

19 second.

20 MR. GHENENE: But you won't?

21 MS. SOLAJA: No, we won't be.



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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: Just out of

2 curiosity, do any of the management staff have

3 experience in the industry?

4 MS. SOLAJA: Yes, yes they do.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: Because Saturday

6 is quite an initiation.

7 MS. SOLAJA: Yes, we talked to a

8 lot of people around, and they keep saying

9 that they can't emphasize how packed and how

10 much, you know, will be going on at the same

11 time.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: I live in the

13 neighborhood, so welcome to H Street.

14 MS. SOLAJA: Thank you. I

15 appreciate that.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: And it'll be a

17 great day to start because you will be busy.


19 MEMBER ALBERTI: I have one last

20 item.


22 MEMBER ALBERTI: You have, for the


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1 hours of the event and for hours of alcohol

2 beverage sales, you have until 10:00 p.m.

3 here.


5 MEMBER ALBERTI: Really, what

6 you're getting the substantial change only

7 until 7:00 for the sidewalk exterior.

8 MS. SOLAJA: Okay.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right?


11 MEMBER ALBERTI: After that,

12 you're relying on your --

13 MS. SOLAJA: Our own alcohol,

14 okay.

15 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- own license.

16 MS. SOLAJA: Oh, I see.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: So we're going to

18 have you change these hours --

19 MS. SOLAJA: Until 7:00 p.m.?

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- to both of

21 these boxes until 7:00 p.m.



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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: And initial it.

2 Okay?

3 MS. SOLAJA: Okay, okay.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: So we will have

5 someone give you the license, and if you would

6 do that, I would appreciate that.

7 MS. SOLAJA: Not a problem. Thank

8 you, appreciate it. Okay. I'll just wait on

9 them to verify. Okay, thank you.


11 MEMBER ALBERTI: So I think Shawn

12 can handle it.

13 CHAIR MILLER: All right, so yes.

14 MS. SOLAJA: I wanted to add --

15 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right, the

16 two boxes?

17 MS. SOLAJA: -- one more thing,

18 please. I apologize.

19 CHAIR MILLER: No problem.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Go ahead.

21 MS. SOLAJA: I was just talking to

22 him. I was asking can we actually use our own


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1 building during the hours of the festival as

2 well, between 12:00 and 7:00, meaning actually

3 have people come in?

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes. I mean,

5 yes.

6 MS. SOLAJA: Okay.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: You're licensed,

8 right?

9 MS. SOLAJA: Right, we are

10 licensed.

11 MR. GHENENE: If that's the case,

12 are you going to be utilizing any of those

13 other floors, will this license apply to those

14 floors that you don't have clearance for?

15 MS. SOLAJA: Oh, no. Just the two

16 floors. No, the third and fourth floor we're

17 not making use of at all.

18 MR. GHENENE: So then --

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: But you aren't

20 using the second floor during the evening,

21 right?

22 MS. SOLAJA: During the evening,


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1 no we're not. So why I'm asking is because we

2 want --

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: Wait.

4 MS. SOLAJA: -- I'm sorry.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: And you're

6 licensed for the second floor?

7 MS. SOLAJA: Yes, we are. I have

8 the C of O here.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: Technically you

10 are allowed to use the first and second floor

11 per your license.


13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Per your license,

14 all right?


16 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay?

17 MS. SOLAJA: Okay, okay.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: This license you

19 are dealing with today really applies to the

20 outside space.

21 MS. SOLAJA: Oh, I see. Okay,

22 thanks.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: And for the

2 interior, you're relying on your permanent

3 license. Okay, Mr. Ghenene?

4 MR. GHENENE: I apologize if I'm

5 beating a dead horse.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: That's okay.

7 MR. GHENENE: But could you, since

8 you guys, this is a soft opening and --


10 MR. GHENENE: -- I know you guys

11 do have industry experience. Could you just

12 make sure that all your security staff, as

13 well as management, understands that as

14 investigators come by, whether it's Saturday

15 or any time in the future, that we're granted

16 access to the entire establishment, the entire

17 building without delay.

18 MS. SOLAJA: Oh, okay. Okay, so

19 if you want to come in and just make sure

20 there's nobody on the third and fourth?

21 MR. GHENENE: Yes.

22 MS. SOLAJA: Okay, got it.


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1 MR. GHENENE: Not only those two

2 floors, but anywhere.

3 MS. SOLAJA: Right, okay. No

4 problem.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: And I will tell

6 you that this board, that's a requirement that

7 every licensee cooperate to the fullest with

8 our investigators --

9 MS. SOLAJA: Oh, okay.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- no matter what

11 they ask.

12 MS. SOLAJA: No problem.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Got a problem

14 with it, you come to the director. But we

15 expect full cooperation.

16 MS. SOLAJA: No problem. That

17 won't be a problem.

18 CHAIR MILLER: And they can be

19 very helpful to you as well.


21 CHAIR MILLER: Really.

22 MEMBER ALBERTI: So if you have


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1 any questions, please --

2 MS. SOLAJA: Relay it to you.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- you're going

4 to come by in the morning, and you can ask him

5 any questions you have.

6 MS. SOLAJA: No problem.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: So they are there

8 to serve.

9 MS. SOLAJA: Okay, thank you.

10 CHAIR MILLER: Yes, I don't know

11 if you heard us, I don't think you did. You

12 weren't here. But the day of the festival,

13 they will be going around and giving you signs

14 that you need and answering any questions that

15 you have first thing in the morning.

16 MS. SOLAJA: Okay, okay. No

17 problem.

18 CHAIR MILLER: These investigators

19 right here.


21 CHAIR MILLER: And I just have one

22 other question since you're a new licensee.


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1 Did you get any training here at ABRA about

2 all of the alcohol laws and regulations?

3 MS. SOLAJA: Yes. The ABC

4 managers did.

5 CHAIR MILLER: They did?

6 MS. SOLAJA: Yes.

7 CHAIR MILLER: They did, okay.

8 And we do have a website, ABRA does.


10 CHAIR MILLER: So you can go and

11 check things out there.



14 MEMBER ALBERTI: Best of luck on

15 Saturday.

16 MS. SOLAJA: Thank you, appreciate

17 it.


19 now we have the three H Street Festivals and

20 we have Smith Commons. So which one should we

21 do first.

22 CHAIR MILLER: Smith Commons.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: Smith Commons?

2 We're going to do Smith Commons next. Thank

3 you for your patience. Sir, why don't you

4 come on forward and -- oh, I know. Granville

5 Moore showed up.

6 MS. SOLAJA: Thank you, appreciate

7 it.

8 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. Thank you.

9 (Crosstalk)

10 CHAIR MILLER: Didn't we do Red

11 Rocks already?

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: I thought we did

13 Red Rocks.

14 CHAIR MILLER: That's okay, I

15 didn't get to --

16 MALE PARTICIPANT: I didn't see it

17 either.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: I think Red Rocks

19 was one of those people that --

20 CHAIR MILLER: You said were okay

21 right from the start?



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2 MEMBER ALBERTI: Red Rocks was one

3 of those people who was good right from the

4 start.



7 MEMBER ALBERTI: So gentlemen, if

8 you would introduce yourselves and tell us

9 what your position is with Smith Commons.

10 MR. GRAY: Miles Gray, Managing

11 Partner of Smith Commons.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: What's your last

13 name again?

14 MR. GRAY: Miles Gray.

15 MEMBER ALBERTI: Gray?

16 MR. GRAY: M-I-L-E-S, G-R-A-Y.


18 MR. PETERS: And Phil Peters,

19 Assistant General Manager.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Spell your last

21 name.

22 MR. PETERS: Peters.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: Peters? Okay.

2 MR. PETERS: Yes.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: I'm sorry. I

4 misunderstood, okay. Okay. We have a, as I

5 understand it, you are going to use the

6 parking lot from the Auto Zone, correct?

7 MR. PETERS: Yes, sir.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: It's a large

9 space, so why don't you give us some

10 background on what your plans are for the

11 festival.

12 MR. GRAY: Yes, sir. So this is

13 our fourth year participating in the H Street

14 Festival, and our fourth year as well having

15 the beer garden.

16 This year, we are doing the global

17 broadcast from H Street Festival for the

18 National Flugtag Race that they're doing over

19 at the National Harbor.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: The National what

21 race?

22 MR. GRAY: National Flugtag Race.


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2 MR. GRAY: So it's a design team

3 competition for engineers. Red Bull does this

4 event globally, and they're doing it in five

5 cities this year, and D.C. is one of them.

6 They're putting 10,000 people at

7 the National Harbor, and they're doing the

8 satellite feed for that through a jumbotron at

9 Smith Commons.


11 MR. GRAY: So we're using the

12 space to continue to participate in the H

13 Street Festival, showcase local bands, kind of

14 the same way we have in the last four years.

15 Last three years, I'm sorry.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: Boy, where do I

17 start. Just let's talk about the perimeter.

18 MR. GRAY: Yes, sir.

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: So you have Smith

20 Commons on the east side?


22 MEMBER ALBERTI: On the west side,


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1 you have the Auto Zone. I assume you're not

2 going to go right up to the Auto Zone

3 building, are you?

4 MR. GRAY: No, no sir.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: So will there be

6 a fence there separating you from the Auto

7 Zone?

8 MR. GRAY: Yes, sir. So what

9 we've done in the past and what we plan on

10 doing this year, as well, is following the H

11 Street, there are barricades.

12 Some not natural barricades, but

13 there will be an RV, there will be barricades

14 going up all the way to Auto Zone and then

15 coming back into the Auto Zone parking lot,

16 meeting at the stage.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. Hold on.

18 Step back. Go through that again now?

19 MR. GRAY: Okay, are you looking

20 at our diagram?

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: I'm looking at

22 just an aerial view of your lot, of the lot.


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1 MR. GRAY: Yes, sir. So we're the

2 square stage to the left. There'll be a

3 barricade extending from that stage out

4 towards the street.

5 And then a barricade that extends

6 from there towards Smith Commons. And there

7 will be a point of entry from that side. The

8 back side towards the houses is already fenced

9 off. And our building creates a natural

10 barricade.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: So that parking

12 lot has continuous fence on the back there?


14 MEMBER ALBERTI: Is that a wooden

15 fence?

16 MR. GRAY: No, metal chain link

17 fence.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: Metal chain?

19 Okay. Is that along the front? What's along

20 the front facing the street?

21 MR. GRAY: The same barricades

22 that everyone else has on their patios.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: And they are

2 going to be placed where?

3 MR. GRAY: I'm sorry?

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: Where exactly are

5 they going to be placed along that perimeter?

6 Along the sidewalk, inside the parking lot?

7 MR. GRAY: Oh, in the private

8 space, in the parking lot.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: So the sidewalk

10 will not be part of your festival?

11 MR. GRAY: No, sir.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. So the

13 perimeter is the inside of the parking lot

14 there. And what separates you from the Auto

15 Zone?

16 MR. GRAY: The stage and also

17 barricades.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: Stage and also

19 the same bicycle barricades that --


21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. Okay. So

22 now where are your entrances and exits?


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1 MR. GRAY: ON the diagram, I guess

2 since it's black and white you can't see them

3 as well as the color version.

4 But there are exits near the Auto

5 Zone on the far side near the security guard

6 there. And there's also an entrance and exit

7 on the Smith Commons side.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. So just

9 the two entrances and exits?

10 MR. GRAY: One entrance, two

11 exits, yes sir.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, one

13 entrance being which one, sorry. The entrance

14 is where?

15 MR. GRAY: Near Smith Commons.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. So it's

17 the Smith Commons in and then there's an exit,

18 and then everyone exits down by the Auto Zone?

19 MR. GRAY: Everyone can exit

20 there, they can also exit near the front.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. Where is

22 alcohol, will consumption be allowed


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1 throughout that entire space?

2 MR. GRAY: Well, it's limited to

3 the bar areas, but I guess technically yes,

4 someone could consume alcohol in that entire

5 space.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Right, you're not

7 going to -- are you restricting them from

8 moving around?

9 MR. GRAY: No, I didn't understand

10 exactly your question.


12 MR. GRAY: But inside the

13 barricades, inside our fenced off areas.

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: But the entire

15 parking lot, you're allowing consumption?

16 MR. GRAY: Yes.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. So where

18 is the service of alcohol being served?

19 MR. GRAY: There are two service

20 areas. The one, the main one, the largest one

21 near the Smith Commons building. And then

22 there will be a small satellite punch area


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1 about halfway through the building, I mean

2 about halfway through the barricaded area.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: About halfway.

4 So I see Mini Romp here. Where in relationship

5 to Mini Romp is the alcohol service?

6 MR. GRAY: Yes, so across. Like I

7 said, so if you're looking at that diagram, on

8 the right hand side, the large quadrangle

9 there, that's a food service area, there will

10 be one bar there.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: Large quadrangle.


13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Maybe I'm not

14 looking at this -- oh, I see. I'm looking at

15 this backwards. Okay, so the Mini Romp is in

16 front. I'm sorry, I had this upside down.

17 MR. PETERS: The mini ramp would

18 represent the south end of the park end of the

19 parking lot. H Street is north, as you're

20 looking at it.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Well, the Mini

22 Romp is on the south end, right, of the


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1 parking lot as I'm looking at it. Right. And

2 so the beer garden, the bar will be where?

3 MR. GRAY: One by the building, by

4 Smith Commons.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: By Smith Commons?


7 MEMBER ALBERTI: There's a stage

8 there, though. There will be also a bar?

9 MR. GRAY: No, sir. That's the

10 Auto Zone parking lot.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: That's where the

12 stage is, that square?


14 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, that's the

15 stage. So that's the bar next to Smith

16 Commons?

17 MR. GRAY: Yes.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. And then

19 there'll be another satellite bar where?

20 MR. GRAY: A small one near, in

21 between the two sets of tents. There's one

22 that says small bar.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: I can't really

2 see it here, but I'll believe you.

3 MR. GRAY: It's about mid

4 distance.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: Towards the back,

6 towards the southern end of the parking lot?



9 people are you expecting? What's your maximum

10 occupancy at any one time?

11 MR. GRAY: We could hold 2,000

12 people. We hope to cap that at 750.


14 going to cap that at 750?


16 MEMBER ALBERTI: And how will you

17 do that?

18 MR. GRAY: Using the clickers, the

19 in and out system. So the front door security

20 will have a set of clickers that knows how

21 many people have come in, how many people have

22 exited.


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1 Same thing with the far exit

2 security. And those numbers will be

3 tabulated. We'll keep a count on how many

4 people are in.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: And who's

6 responsible for doing that?


8 MEMBER ALBERTI: Who's responsible

9 for doing that?

10 MR. GRAY: Our security team.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: Security team,

12 okay. All right. Under, are you directing

13 the security team?

14 MR. GRAY: No, the security team

15 actually has a director. We have a company

16 called Pros1 that we use every Thursday,

17 Friday and Saturday.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: I'm sort of

19 spaced out. Each of you, what's your position

20 with the company?

21 MR. GRAY: I'm the managing

22 partner there. He's one of the managers, our


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1 assistant general manager.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. Assistant

3 general manager. Okay, great. So you're

4 checking IDs at the entrance?


6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. Will the

7 bartenders check IDs if necessary inside? Or

8 in the festival area, how are you going to

9 identify people who are over 21 or under 21?

10 MR. GRAY: So there's --

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: Because I assume

12 this is all ages, right? No?

13 MR. GRAY: No, the festival is all

14 ages. We won't be admitting all ages.

15 There'll be no unaccompanied minors in our

16 lot.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh, okay. Great.

18 MR. GRAY: I think during the

19 festival, I think --

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: No I understand

21 the festival. But your area will be only 21

22 and older?


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1 MR. GRAY: I can't promise only 21

2 and older because a lot of the families on H

3 street, they'll bring small children with them

4 to these events.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: That's what I

6 meant by your --

7 MR. GRAY: Oh, well then yes, sir.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: Your lot, your

9 area, the area you're responsible for, will

10 that be all ages?


12 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. All right,

13 great, because I see a Mini Romp. I'm

14 assuming is that for kids?

15 MR. GRAY: No, not by any means.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh, okay.

17 MR. GRAY: Those are professional

18 skateboarders.

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: Ah, okay great.

20 All right. But it is, all right, so it is all

21 ages. So how are you going to identify people

22 over 21?


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1 MR. GRAY: So people who are

2 coming into the event venue, they will have a

3 wristband. We have a bright green wristband

4 that says 21 and up.


6 MR. GRAY: People who are not 21

7 plus will have a large black X on their hand.

8 Only people who have that wristband will be

9 served.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: And how many

11 security people will you have?

12 MR. GRAY: We'll have a total of

13 15.

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: Fifteen, okay.

15 MR. GRAY: Still sourcing the last

16 three. We have 12 confirmed now, five on one

17 side, five on the other side, and two roaming.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. The two

19 roaming, what will their responsibilities be?

20 MR. GRAY: Canvas the crowd and

21 see if there's anything that's, you know, out

22 of order. Obviously anybody who's consuming


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1 a beverage doesn't have proper wristbanding,

2 making sure that, you know, over consumption's

3 not happening or that type of thing.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: How will they

5 distinguish between alcohol beverages and non-

6 alcohol beverages?

7 MR. GRAY: We have different cups.

8 We have a clear 12 ounce plastic cup for

9 alcoholic beverages, and we have a larger 16

10 ounce cup for lemonade, water, that type of

11 thing.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: And what

13 alcoholic beverages are you serving?

14 MR. GRAY: We're serving beer and

15 liquor.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: And liquor?


18 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. Beer and

19 spirits?


21 MEMBER ALBERTI: So this is a

22 temporary license, oh this is a one day


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1 substantial change. So really, okay, all

2 right. So this is the responsibility of Smith

3 Commons in general because this is a one day

4 substantial change to Smith Commons?


6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, all right.

7 Anyone else?

8 CHAIR MILLER: Do you -- go ahead,

9 Ms. Brooks?

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: Or Mr. Ghenene?

11 MEMBER BROOKS: No, I just wanted

12 to know, and maybe he's already answered this

13 question. How many ABC managers do you have,

14 or will you have?

15 MR. GRAY: We have four, possibly

16 five that day.

17 MEMBER BROOKS: Okay.


19 MEMBER BROOKS: All right.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh, before I go

21 on, you have until 8:00 p.m. What time are

22 you going to be running this area?


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1 MR. GRAY: I think we have the

2 same bad information everyone else did. We

3 thought that there was an extension allowed

4 for private spaces, so we just put 8 o'clock.

5 We're totally fine --

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: That's what your

7 plan is?

8 MR. GRAY: We can do 7:00. We

9 would like to do 8:00, but we're totally fine

10 with 7:00.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: We're looking at

12 8:00. I mean, the organizer doesn't have any

13 problem with it and that's what your request

14 is, so that's what we're reviewing.


16 CHAIR MILLER: So your outdoor

17 space is private, not public, is that it?

18 MR. GRAY: Yes, ma'am.

19 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. Smith

20 Commons, it's a very large restaurant, or what

21 is it?

22 MR. GRAY: It's a large


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1 restaurant.

2 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. And you're

3 used to having big events there?

4 MR. GRAY: Yes, ma'am. We did

5 almost exactly the same thing last year.

6 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. But I mean

7 in general, do you have a lot of events there?

8 MR. GRAY: I wouldn't say that we

9 have events. We've had very large things

10 there, the President's eaten there, so that

11 was obviously a national --

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: Your weekend

13 crowd, how big is your weekend crowd usually?

14 MR. GRAY: We're at capacity on

15 the weekends.


17 MR. GRAY: We're at capacity on

18 the weekends.

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: Which is

20 approximately?

21 MR. GRAY: Three fifty or so.



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1 CHAIR MILLER: And do you have,

2 like, bands on weekends? Or is this just

3 related to the event?

4 MR. GRAY: We'll do a Sunday

5 brunch from time to time. You know, we'll

6 bring in a DJ from time to time. We don't

7 throw parties or anything like that if that's

8 what you mean, promoted events, nothing like

9 that.

10 CHAIR MILLER: I just don't know

11 Smith Commons, so I just wanted to get an

12 idea. Yes. Big Saturdays.

13 MR. GRAY: We have a good time, we

14 try to.

15 MEMBER ALBERTI: And Obama was

16 there, you got to go.

17 CHAIR MILLER: This global event,

18 can you just give us a better idea of what

19 that means? Like, what are the hours, what's

20 going to happen during this event?

21 MR. GRAY: Sure. So what'll

22 happen is starting at noon, we'll have live


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1 bands on stage, on the actual main stage,

2 bands, DJs, that type of thing.


4 MR. GRAY: And then from 1:45

5 until 3:45, they're bringing in a satellite

6 feed. So what's happening at National Harbor,

7 it will be broadcast to the web, and it will

8 be broadcast back over to the jumbotron at

9 Smith Commons.

10 So people who are in the festival

11 walking even down the street, or in our actual

12 property, can see what's going on down at

13 National Harbor. So it's really just a big TV

14 show more than anything else.

15 CHAIR MILLER: Okay. And I don't

16 want to, you know, prolong things --

17 MR. GRAY: No, please.

18 CHAIR MILLER: -- but I'm just

19 kind of curious, like, do you know what's

20 going to be on the TV screen, what people will

21 be watching?

22 MR. GRAY: Yes, sure. So what


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1 they do, and like I said, they've done this

2 hundreds of times all over the world. And

3 what they do is, it's kind of a fun thing,

4 marketing type of thing for Red Bull.

5 So let's say we had a team, we'll

6 get a team together and we'll build what we

7 call a Flugtag flying machine. And what they

8 do is they take those things and they push

9 them off the piers.

10 And they see how far these things

11 fly. And typically they don't fly, they just

12 kind of fall into the pier. Everybody says oh

13 yes, that was great.

14 But sometimes, you know, they set

15 world record gliding distances during this

16 festival. Just, it's all good fun type thing.


18 Does Red Bull give out free Red Bull, or

19 anything like that?

20 MR. GRAY: They will be passing

21 out free Red Bull during the festival.



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1 Mr. Ghenene?

2 MR. GHENENE: Sure. Thank you. I

3 have a couple of questions. Is the interior

4 of Smith Commons going to be open during the

5 day?


7 MR. GHENENE: And have you

8 coordinated with the main festival, I guess,

9 organizers regarding this 1:45 to 3:45 time

10 stretch, because as you indicated, there may

11 be a larger crowd than your 750 inside your

12 barriers.


14 MR. GHENENE: There may be people

15 in the festival that are kind of stopping by,

16 which might need a little bit more attention.


18 MR. GHENENE: Have you guys talked

19 to them about that?

20 MR. GRAY: Oh, yes we have. Since

21 the earliest planning meeting, we've been

22 tightly aligned with the H Street Festival.


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2 MR. GRAY: We'll do everything

3 that we can to corral that crowd.

4 MS. YAP: Maybe trying to --

5 CHAIR MILLER: You have to come to

6 the table.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: So you're up

8 next, so you --

9 CHAIR MILLER: You might as well

10 stay.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- stay. But

12 please introduce yourself.

13 MS. YAP: -- because we've been

14 partners with Smith Commons for so long, and

15 we're anticipating such a large crowd. And

16 the festival has gotten ten blocks long, we

17 have moved all the tents last year when there

18 was congestion away from that area.

19 So the people that are

20 participating in that activity can enjoy that,

21 and the people who are more kid friendly and

22 family friendly is further up the block. So


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1 that way that traffic bottleneck will not be

2 a concern during the time where there's a

3 crowd.

4 MR. GHENENE: I guess my concern

5 is that during this broadcast, people are

6 walking by, but obviously see something that's

7 not normal. I mean, it's not normal to see a

8 jumbotron with things flying into the water.

9 MR. GRAY: Right.

10 MR. GHENENE: So with that said,

11 you know, I understand Smith Commons will have

12 the responsibility of what's inside your

13 barriers.

14 However, you might find that

15 people are gathering outside the barriers on

16 H Street, and you might want to make MPD aware

17 of that.

18 MS. YAP: Yes, we will make it a

19 point to send the walking MPD station there

20 around those two times, and we'll coordinate

21 and make sure that we have crowd control.



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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: And what time is

2 that occurring?

3 MR. GRAY: That's at 1:45, so it's

4 1:45 until 3:45.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right, I need

6 to know so I can be there.

7 CHAIR MILLER: All right, okay.

8 You can stay if you want. Whatever you want

9 to do.

10 MS. YAP: That's okay.

11 CHAIR MILLER: Okay, come back

12 later. Hopefully soon, right?


14 CHAIR MILLER: Yes. All right.

15 Oh, I don't have any investigative --

16 MR. GHENENE: Well, I just wanted

17 to add that during last year's festival, we

18 monitored Smith Commons fairly aggressively,

19 and that they ran pretty smoothly, and without

20 any kind of hitches or anything.

21 MR. GRAY: Thank you.

22 MEMBER ALBERTI: Great.


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1 CHAIR MILLER: Great, okay.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: Question?

3 CHAIR MILLER: Yes?

4 MR. GRAY: So like I said, the

5 space can hold 2,000 people. Is it possible

6 I can live in that 750 to 1,000 person range,

7 or should I just stay quiet and leave quietly?

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: If you want to go

9 to 1,000, we're going to expect --

10 MR. GRAY: That the extra

11 security.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- extra

13 security.

14 MR. GRAY: I see what you're

15 saying, okay.

16 MR. GHENENE: Or access to.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: So what do you

18 want to do?

19 MR. GRAY: Okay.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: So what do you

21 want to do?

22 MR. GRAY: It's probably going to


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1 be a profitable event, so I'll probably stay

2 right around where we're at, yes.

3 CHAIR MILLER: It says 500 to 750.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: I know the space

5 can hold a lot of people, but that's a big --

6 MR. GRAY: Yes, I'll stay where

7 we're at.

8 CHAIR MILLER: You're going to

9 leave it for this time? Okay.

10 MR. GRAY: So that's an

11 additional, you guys recommend 50 to one

12 ratio, so that's an additional.


14 MR. GRAY: We'll stay in that 750

15 range, that's okay.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: What did you do

17 last year? Do you have any idea?

18 MR. GRAY: We were right around

19 that place. We had a very calm crowd.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: It was pretty

21 crowded, I remember.

22 MR. GRAY: Yes, it was crowded,


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1 but I think we have a lot of turnover. So

2 we're kind of like a flow, kind of a walk

3 through flow through space almost.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes, right,

5 right.

6 MR. GRAY: So we don't have, like,

7 a stationary crowd for a long time.


9 MR. GHENENE: Mr. Alberti, may I

10 make the recommendation, I don't think that

11 the board, well I don't know, but I don't

12 think that you have to necessarily have to

13 have 20 security guards there.

14 MR. GRAY: Okay.

15 MR. GHENENE: But you just need to

16 have access to them as the crowd grows.

17 MR. GRAY: Got you.

18 MR. GHENENE: So I think that it's

19 just like the other situation. It's not a

20 method of restriction, it's just a matter of

21 being prepared.

22 MR. GRAY: Right.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: So you want to

2 increase this to --

3 MR. GRAY: What I want to do is I

4 just want to kind of live in that 750 to 1,000

5 people.


7 MR. GRAY: I think 1,000 people is

8 way to many --

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: You don't want to

10 get deemed for --

11 MR. GRAY: Exactly. I don't want

12 to --

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: We will be making

14 sure that you have security.

15 MR. GRAY: We definitely will.

16 That's totally fine with us.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: And prepare.

18 CHAIR MILLER: So you need to

19 amend this because it says 500 to 750, and I

20 think what you're asking for is 750 to 1,000?

21 MR. GRAY: Yes, ma'am.



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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right. Good

2 luck.



5 your patience.

6 MR. GRAY: Oh no, we understand

7 completely. Thank you.


9 MR. GRAY: Thank you all.

10 CHAIR MILLER: Thank you very

11 much.


13 MEMBER ALBERTI: So I guess -- oh

14 thank you guys. All right. So we have three

15 more applications. Why don't you introduce

16 yourselves again.

17 MS. YAP: We're from H Street Main

18 Street. My name is Wuiping, last name is Yap,

19 Y-A-P.

20 MR. SALEEM: Anwar Saleem,

21 Executive Director for H Street Main Street.

22 MR. AHN: My name's Paul Ahn, A-H-


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1 N.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. So we have

3 applications for the three different spots.

4 I think maybe the easiest way to do this is to

5 go through them one by one for logistics in

6 each spot. And so I'm going to start with the

7 first one. The only one, okay --

8 MALE PARTICIPANT: I think your

9 microphone is off.


11 MALE PARTICIPANT: Your microphone

12 might have gone off.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh, I'll put my

14 microphone on. How's that, better? Okay.

15 Ms. Yap, I know you guys collaborate, but your

16 name is on the one for is this 625?

17 MS. YAP: Yes.

18 MR. SALEEM: Yes. It's a vacant

19 lot.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: So that's the --

21 MS. YAP: I'm happy to go first.



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1 MS. YAP: I'm happy to go first.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: Great. Thank you

3 for sticking with us. All right, so this is

4 the one for the parking lot in the middle of

5 the block, right?

6 MS. YAP: Yes.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: Right between

8 those two buildings?

9 MS. YAP: Yes.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. So why

11 don't you tell us a little bit about your

12 plans for the parking lot. You heard our

13 concerns with Smith Commons. Even though it's

14 a smaller space, we have some of the same

15 issues. So if you could go ahead.

16 MS. YAP: This is part of the REI

17 adventure park where we have a bluegrass, the

18 stage is all the way at the back of the

19 parking lot, and there's a bluegrass stage.

20 So those people are not very

21 rambunctious compared to Smith Commons.

22 Bluegrass, bluegrass. So then we have a tiny


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1 little garden right next to it. It's 30 by

2 60. It's self contained. It's all

3 barricaded.

4 Sorry, 60 by 50, my apologies.

5 And we have a ten foot area and then tables

6 around. And we're selling alcohol through

7 tickets and wristband, and we do not allow

8 anybody who is not under 21 to come in.

9 We will have volunteers and

10 security every shift, two people checking, two

11 people bouncing, and people pouring. So about

12 six people per shift is what I told Inspector

13 Ghenene.


15 MS. YAP: On a Sunday, he needs a

16 raise. He worked on Sunday. He called me

17 Sunday morning, off day.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: We keep our

19 investigators busy. So is there more than one

20 entrance to this?

21 MS. YAP: No. One entrance in and

22 out.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: In and out.

2 Okay. Is that where -- where will the ID

3 checking be done?

4 MS. YAP: Yes.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: There?

6 MS. YAP: The ID checking, yes,

7 will be done at the entrance prior to

8 entering.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: And that's where

10 you get your wristband?


12 MEMBER ALBERTI: And so where do

13 you get your tickets?

14 MS. YAP: And then you have to

15 walk into a little tack area.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh, to get your

17 tickets. And then?

18 MS. YAP: And then you can go line

19 up and get your alcohol.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, and you're

21 serving what kind of alcohol?

22 MS. YAP: We are serving beer and


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1 liquor. Beer, wine and liquor.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: Beer, wine and

3 spirits, okay. Great.

4 MS. YAP: Beer, wine and spirits.

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right. It's

6 completely fenced. I'm trying to remember

7 that parking lot, if there's any areas that --

8 well part of that parking lot go behind those

9 buildings, does it not?

10 MS. YAP: Yes.

11 MR. SALEEM: Yes, from one. Yes

12 it does, on one.

13 MS. YAP: Yes. Yes, it does. And

14 so it goes in there and it's almost like a T

15 shape. So --

16 MR. SALEEM: On the western

17 building.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: So what part are

19 you using?

20 MS. YAP: We're actually in front

21 where it's visible from the street. So when

22 you're looking to it, you can see the space in


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1 front of the stage. So we're very visible.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: And so it's

3 going, because I'm looking into the parking

4 lot, if I draw two lines straight back, you'll

5 have fencing all the way to the back?

6 MS. YAP: No, you have a stage,

7 and then we're this little tiny square,

8 rectangle on the side. We're not fencing the

9 entire thing. The place is huge.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: So in the back,

11 you've got the --

12 MS. YAP: The stage.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- stage. And so

14 I'm not understanding what prevents people

15 from walking down behind the buildings.

16 MS. YAP: But down behind the

17 building has nothing. We're not --

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: Well, it's T

19 shaped. That parking lot is T shaped, isn't

20 it?

21 MS. YAP: Right. But the beer

22 garden is not behind the T shape.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh. Oh.

2 MS. YAP: We're in front.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: So the stage is

4 placed --

5 MS. YAP: At the back.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: -- at the end, at

7 the back, not all the way to the back, but at

8 the buildings?

9 MS. YAP: Correct.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: So the stage is

11 your barrier to prevent you from going to the

12 parking lot that sits behind those buildings.


14 MEMBER ALBERTI: Now I got it.

15 Got you. And then you're in front of that?

16 MS. YAP: We're going to have all

17 hats together, everybody can see everything

18 that's going on.

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: Great, great.

20 Just so our investigators know. We don't want

21 any confusion. Okay, got you. So your name

22 is on the license. Besides you, will there be


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1 any licensed managers there?

2 MS. YAP: Yes, there will be.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: And how many and

4 --

5 MS. YAP: We will have one on

6 every shift. So there will be at least one

7 beer manager on site for all our gardens.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: Are they ABC

9 licensed managers?


11 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. One on

12 every shift, okay. How long is a shift?

13 MR. SALEEM: It's about four

14 hours. It's four hours.

15 MS. YAP: Four hours.

16 MR. SALEEM: Four hours.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. Other

18 security people, how many?

19 MS. YAP: We will have six people

20 per shift.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Six security

22 staff?


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1 MS. YAP: Yes.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: And what's the

3 maximum crowd that you're allowing?

4 MR. SALEEM: We said what, 30 at a

5 time? Thirty or forty at a time?

6 MS. YAP: We're such a little one

7 compared to them, plus we have no attractions.

8 So I'm thinking maybe 50 to 80 people at the

9 given time. It is just something, you know,

10 so that we're at the block of 600. There is

11 literally nothing there.

12 MR. SALEEM: Nothing over there.

13 MS. YAP: So we want some activity

14 there so the crowds are not doing the little

15 flying whatever --

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: Sure. But that

17 space can hold a lot more.

18 MR. SALEEM: Yes.

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: So as long as you

20 have staff to handle it, it's up to you the

21 limit that you want to put on it.

22 MR. SALEEM: You want to say 100?


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1 MS. YAP: Yes, 100, 150 if you

2 don't mind. I think that's maybe what we have

3 on there, yes.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, 150 but

5 you're going to have to have at least three

6 security people available for 150 people. You

7 understand that.

8 MS. YAP: Yes.

9 MR. SALEEM: Sure.


11 to put down 150 in terms of number of people

12 on this license, is that correct?

13 MS. YAP: Yes. That's what we

14 had, yes.

15 MEMBER ALBERTI: And you have all

16 age groups here. You're now telling me --

17 MS. YAP: The all age groups is

18 actually the festival. So we're not allowing

19 anybody who is under 21.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. So I'm

21 going to ask you to make those two changes,

22 the number of people, we'll have someone bring


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1 it up to you.

2 MS. YAP: Okay.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: The number of

4 people will be 150 according to what you're

5 saying now, and you'll say a 21 and older in

6 Item 18. So it's Item 20 and Item 18 you're

7 going to change on this.

8 MS. YAP: Okay.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: And you'll

10 initial it. And you're stopping at 7:00 p.m.,

11 is that correct?

12 MS. YAP: Yes.

13 MR. SALEEM: Yes.


15 MR. SALEEM: Opening before then.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: Are there any

17 other questions?

18 MALE PARTICIPANT: All schedule, I

19 can't remember, 6:30 --

20 MS. YAP: 6:30 is our last call.

21 MR. SALEEM: We'll probably stop,

22 last call is 6:30. We stopping early like


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1 everyone else.

2 MS. YAP: I want to go home. We

3 will be there at 3:30.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: I understand.

5 MR. SALEEM: We going to get it

6 over with.

7 (Crosstalk)

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: And it's going to

9 be a late night tonight. I mean, I know

10 you're going to be exhausted by Sunday.

11 MR. SALEEM: We're getting it over

12 with.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Mr. Saleem, we're

14 hoping for a great weekend for you. I think

15 you guys are going to have great weather. I

16 think it's going to be very successful.

17 MR. SALEEM: All right, thank you.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. So any

19 other questions.

20 CHAIR MILLER: I just, I can't

21 remember now. You've been up here a couple

22 times before. Did you say something about


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1 wristbands?

2 MR. SALEEM: Oh yes, we have

3 wristbands.

4 MS. YAP: Yes. We have

5 wristbands. That's how we are identifying the

6 21, checked 21 and then they get wristbands.

7 Then they come in, they get a ticket, and then

8 they buy.

9 MR. SALEEM: Green wristband says

10 H Street Festival 2013.

11 MS. YAP: Oh, ours is branded.

12 Yeay.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: Save those as

14 souvenirs, right?

15 MR. SALEEM: Yes, that's right.


17 MR. GHENENE: Mr. Alberti, were

18 you doing all three, or just the one?

19 CHAIR MILLER: All three, right?

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: You want to save

21 your comments until the end, or you can go

22 ahead for this one if you want.


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1 MR. GHENENE: No, it's not for

2 license 93159.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. I'm going

4 to go to the next one.

5 MR. GHENENE: Okay, thank you.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: So Mr. Ahn?

7 MR. AHN: Yes.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: Can I do you

9 next?

10 MR. AHN: Sure.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: Saving the best

12 for last. So where are you? What's the

13 address?

14 MR. AHN: So I think the easiest

15 way to think about it is the Murray's parking

16 lot.


18 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right, I know

19 that, all right. So it's the parking lot.

20 MR. AHN: Yes.


22 almost, you're catty-cornered across the


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1 street from this bluegrass themed lot.

2 MR. AHN: Yes.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, I got you.

4 MR. SALEEM: This is Caribbean.

5 This is Caribbean.

6 MS. YAP: Caribbean.

7 MR. AHN: Caribbean themed.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, very good.

9 MS. YAP: Also not very

10 rambunctious people.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: I don't know.

12 You guys might set a precedent.

13 MS. YAP: Bob Marley people.

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: You might be

15 bringing people down there.

16 MS. YAP: Oh no.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: You never know,

18 you never know.

19 MR. SALEEM: The bands are light.

20 MS. YAP: Bob Marley.


22 right. I'll encourage people to go down and


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1 visit you. So Mr. Ahn, that's a pretty wide

2 open space.

3 MR. AHN: Yes.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: So why don't you

5 talk to me. You've heard our concerns. Why

6 don't you go ahead and talk to me about what

7 your plans are.

8 MR. AHN: We're closing it in with

9 barricades. We have a security checkpoint.

10 And we have on the hour changing shifts and

11 volunteers with security.

12 We have a stage towards the back

13 of the -- we're having a checkpoint and then

14 that's where the security wristbands are going

15 to be given out, IDs are going to be checked.

16 And then people buy the ticket to

17 purchase the alcohol in a tent, and then they

18 go to the bar and they exchange their ticket

19 for the alcohol.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. So what

21 part of that parking lot, it's the Murray's

22 property, it's a rectangular area that's the


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1 Murray's proper parking lot?

2 MR. SALEEM: It's on the right

3 hand side.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: Mr. Ghenene, are

5 you familiar with --

6 MR. GHENENE: Very familiar.

7 MR. SALEEM: It's the front right

8 hand side.

9 MR. AHN: Right. It's the front

10 right hand side of the Murray's parking lot.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, because

12 there's that government parking lot, but

13 you're not going to extend.

14 MR. AHN: Right, but we're closing

15 it off right there.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: You're closing it

17 off.

18 MR. AHN: Yes.

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: What kind of

20 barricades are you going to use?

21 MR. AHN: I believe it's from the

22 --


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1 MS. YAP: It's the same bike

2 racks.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: The same bike

4 racks, okay.

5 MS. YAP: Everybody's bike racks

6 are --


8 to have the extra -- hopefully you'll have

9 crowds down there.

10 MR. AHN: Yes.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: So you do have

12 the responsibility to make sure that beer

13 isn't handed off.

14 MR. AHN: Absolutely.

15 MEMBER ALBERTI: So you have that

16 extra responsibility because you're going to

17 have fencing all over, around. It's pretty

18 quiet over there. All right. So where is the

19 entrance and exit?

20 MR. AHN: The entrance and exit is

21 on H Street itself on the corner of 6th and H

22 on H Street.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: So right on the

2 corner there?

3 MR. AHN: Yes.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: On the western

5 corner of that lot?

6 MR. SALEEM: No, the eastern

7 corner.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: The eastern

9 corner?

10 MR. SALEEM: Yes.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, closest to

12 Murray's?

13 MR. SALEEM: Murray's, that's

14 correct.

15 MEMBER ALBERTI: Closest to

16 Murray's.

17 MS. YAP: The garden is close to

18 east, but the entrance is on the west. So the

19 west end of the barricaded area. But the

20 whole garden is on the east side.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh wait, run that

22 my be.


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1 MR. SALEEM: If you're standing in

2 front of Murray's --


4 MR. SALEEM: -- the garden is on

5 the eastern side. But the entrance itself is

6 on the western side of the garden.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: So I'm all

8 confused. So I'm standing there in front of

9 the parking lot.

10 MR. SALEEM: Yes. Let's say

11 you're looking at the parking lot now.


13 MR. SALEEM: On that hand right

14 there is the entrance. On this hand right

15 here will be the barricades.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: So the barricades

17 are going to go all the way across the front.

18 MR. SALEEM: Right.

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: And the entrance

20 will be?

21 MR. SALEEM: On that side.

22 MEMBER ALBERTI: But the entrance


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1 will be, instead of east and west, let's just

2 maybe closer to 6th Street, or closer to --

3 MR. SALEEM: Closer to 6th Street.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. So it is

5 on the western end?

6 MR. SALEEM: On the western end.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, got you. I

8 may have misspoke earlier.

9 MR. SALEEM: All right.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: So it's on the

11 western end. So it's on the corner, so it's

12 close to the corner?

13 MR. SALEEM: Yes.

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes. All right.

15 All right. You're responsible, so if you're

16 not there, will you have licensed managers?

17 MR. AHN: Yes.

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, where are

19 you guys getting the licensed managers from?

20 MR. SALEEM: Well, we have them

21 down on H Street, we have them on U Street

22 that's not doing anything. And these guys,


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1 they want to contribute, they want to

2 volunteer.

3 And we have some that's basically

4 underutilized. They have other jobs, but they

5 coming to H Street Festival to help us out.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, okay.

7 MR. SALEEM: Yes. You know some

8 of them.


10 right. Okay, great. You know a lot of

11 people, Mr. Saleem. So you can drum these

12 people up. All right, so we are all under the

13 understanding that there's going to be either

14 the licensee or a board approved manager on

15 duty the whole time, all right?


17 MEMBER ALBERTI: You're serving

18 what kind of alcohol?

19 MR. AHN: Beer, wine and liquor.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Spirits, okay got

21 you.

22 MS. YAP: Spirits, yes.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: Sorry. We just

2 have different terminology. And there's going

3 to be a band?

4 MR. AHN: Yes, there is going to

5 be a band on the stage.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, and you're

7 going until 7:00?

8 MR. AHN: Yes.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: As everyone else.

10 MS. YAP: Last call, 6:30.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: Great. Questions

12 from everyone? Is this all ages, or is this

13 21 and over?

14 MR. AHN: Just 21 and over inside

15 the enclosed area.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: Right, right.

17 Okay. So Mr. Saleem?

18 MR. SALEEM: Yes, sir.

19 MEMBER ALBERTI: I'm totally

20 confused with the area. Okay, Mr. Saleem, I'm

21 going to just cut to the chase. It looks like

22 you are utilizing part of Sahara's property.


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1 MR. SALEEM: No, I'm not.

2 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. So that's

3 what, okay, that was my confusion. Tell me

4 what you --

5 MR. SALEEM: We have 12th and H

6 Street, on the corner on the southeast corner.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: I don't know what

8 I came up with that. Southeast corner, okay.

9 So you are, what is that building there?

10 MR. SALEEM: Auto Zone.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: Auto Zone, right,

12 right, right.

13 MR. SALEEM: That big corner --

14 MEMBER ALBERTI: It sounded like

15 public area right next to the Auto Zone.

16 MR. SALEEM: Right, we're right

17 there. And we are going to have barricades,

18 I think about 30, area. We have a 16 by 16

19 tent that's housed within that 30 by 30 that

20 you could see through.

21 We have a truck area tent, which

22 is a ten by ten right behind it. We have two


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1 check stations on the outside. Basically this

2 is a tasting, and it's a very little bit of

3 alcohol and spirits being used.

4 This is a tasting. You'll get no

5 more than three one quarter of an ounce

6 tasting of vodka. It's a tasting.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, a vodka

8 tasting?

9 MR. SALEEM: Yes.


11 okay, first --

12 MR. SALEEM: We will have

13 wristbands. You would be wristband, you would

14 get three bands. And you get wristband and

15 you get your ID checked.

16 So you're going to have security

17 there from, I think it's Alla Abaden I think

18 that we are bringing in for them. And they

19 would be servicing security throughout the

20 day.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, so I come

22 in, I want to participate in the tasting,


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1 what's the first thing I do?

2 MR. SALEEM: You come to our

3 outside bar area.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right.

5 MR. SALEEM: Outside stand. You

6 get your ID checked. After your ID is

7 checked, you have to go inside a tent which is

8 enclosed.


10 MR. SALEEM: Within the 30 by 30

11 barricades, you have another tent that's

12 enclosed.


14 MR. SALEEM: You go in that tent,

15 you get other information that you can deal

16 with the tasting. After you finish the

17 tasting --

18 MEMBER ALBERTI: Wait, wait. Do I

19 pay my money?

20 MR. SALEEM: No, it's a tasting.

21 No money.

22 MALE PARTICIPANT: It's free.


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1 MR. SALEEM: It's free.

2 MS. YAP: It's free.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh, this is free?

4 MR. SALEEM: This is free.

5 MS. YAP: Now you want to come.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes, really. All

7 right. I'm trying to explain. So I come in.

8 So okay. All right, okay. And what do I get

9 to identify, so all right.

10 MR. SALEEM: No, you get bands,

11 you get bands to --

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: Three bands?

13 MR. SALEEM: You get bands, strip

14 bands.

15 MS. YAP: Wristbands.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: You get

17 wristbands?

18 MR. SALEEM: Yes, you get

19 wristbands?


21 MS. YAP: So the procedure is

22 exactly identical to the rest of the bars.


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1 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. So now I

2 go to the table where the tasting is.

3 MR. SALEEM: Yes.

4 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right, and

5 how many tastings can I have?

6 MR. SALEEM: You can only have --

7 no, no.

8 MEMBER ALBERTI: I'm not asking

9 for personal reasons.

10 MR. SALEEM: No more than three

11 quarter of an ounce.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay, so how do

13 you limit this?

14 MR. SALEEM: Three quarters of a

15 shot.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: How do I limit

17 this?

18 MR. SALEEM: I think they do a

19 host ID check when you come in. They do a

20 whole ID check and they put it on a list. You

21 put it on a computer list, they have a

22 computer list to tell them who's been here


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1 before from the ID. So we're monitoring

2 through a computer.

3 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right.

4 MS. YAP: Also, the --

5 MEMBER ALBERTI: Well, once I'm in

6 there, I'm at the bar, I get my three small

7 sips I get. Then what do I have to do. Can

8 I stand around? I mean --

9 MR. SALEEM: Oh no. After you

10 have the tasting, you have to leave. You have

11 to move on.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: And so you have

13 staff directing people to do that?

14 MR. SALEEM: We have staff

15 directing people. We have, I think, up to

16 eight people directing people there at that

17 spot.


19 MR. SALEEM: Yes.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. There

21 really isn't much milling around --

22 MR. SALEEM: We have very


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1 beautiful people.


3 I'll have to come by. So how many people are

4 you expecting to be in there at one time?

5 MR. SALEEM: I don't think, the

6 tent is a 16 by 16. No more than ten to 15

7 people in the tent at any given time. I would

8 say 20 at the max. But no, we want them to

9 come and go. We don't want them hanging out.

10 MEMBER ALBERTI: You want them to

11 come and go. So there's no really milling

12 around, it's come and get a taste and get out.

13 MR. SALEEM: It's get your taste

14 and go. It's no hanging around, no talking.

15 Get it, enjoy it, get the experience.

16 MEMBER ALBERTI: Okay. So just, I

17 mean, I'm dotting all the i's and I know I'm

18 being kind of anal here, so I'm going to have

19 you cross out the 75,000 and just leave the 50

20 people, and you'll initial it.

21 MR. SALEEM: Oh, all right.

22 MEMBER ALBERTI: Someone will


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1 bring it to you. All right, let's see if

2 there's any other changes. Any other

3 questions? Mr. Ghenene?

4 MR. GHENENE: The location,

5 cleared that up.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes, we were

7 confused about the location. So all right, so

8 just that one change?


10 MEMBER ALBERTI: It's late, I'm

11 trying to get you guys out of here. I very

12 much appreciate you coming and staying. I

13 know that you are tied up with planning. And

14 so taking out time, I know, is not easy. So

15 we appreciate you coming in.

16 MR. SALEEM: Okay.

17 MEMBER ALBERTI: Hopefully this is

18 going to be a great success this year.

19 MR. SALEEM: All right, thank you.

20 MS. YAP: You're coming to all our

21 gardens.

22 MEMBER ALBERTI: I'm not sure I'm


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1 going to make all your gardens. But I will be

2 there. I'm going to try to make it from 4th

3 Street to 13th Street. That's a long, long

4 area to come by.

5 MR. SALEEM: Let me tell you

6 something. By the time you walk down, you

7 won't know it. Take my word, it'll be an

8 experience.

9 MEMBER ALBERTI: Oh, it was an

10 experience last year. It's just amazing.

11 It's amazing.

12 CHAIR MILLER: Two of those

13 applications are going to be amended, right?

14 The other one was okay?

15 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes. I think so.

16 Yes, just cross out those 75,000 and leave the

17 50. Yes, and just initial it.


19 MR. SALEEM: Hers and mine also,

20 right?

21 MS. YAP: Yes.

22 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes, hers is


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1 what?

2 MR. SALEEM: MF.

3 MS. YAP: Yes.


5 MR. SALEEM: Okay.

6 MEMBER ALBERTI: It's all, yes.

7 Okay. Mr. Saleem, a couple things. We didn't

8 mention this earlier, but I would encourage

9 you to have everyone come in, apply earlier

10 next year.

11 MR. SALEEM: We will, yes.

12 MEMBER ALBERTI: All right? And

13 then we can do it in a couple short sessions,

14 or do them, you know, as they come in.

15 I know some people wait until the

16 last minute, but it's just easier on

17 everybody. And it is a big event, and we have

18 to do due diligence.

19 MR. SALEEM: I understand.

20 MEMBER ALBERTI: Because we do

21 this with all of our large events. And the

22 other thing is if you have any questions at


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1 all, contact Mr. Ghenene, he knows everything.

2 He's great, and he'll be very helpful to you.

3 MS. YAP: Sunday worker.


5 MS. YAP: Sunday worker, cannot be

6 better than that. Works on Sunday.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes, exactly.

8 Exactly, so we value his efforts.

9 CHAIR MILLER: You're fortunate to

10 have him at your event really. Yes. Okay.

11 MEMBER ALBERTI: I think that's

12 it. Thank you once again for coming.


14 MEMBER ALBERTI: I think we got

15 everything. Yes, everyone. I haven't signed

16 anything, so these are all --


18 MS. YAP: Are we dismissed?

19 CHAIR MILLER: You are.

20 MS. YAP: Oh, okay.

21 MEMBER ALBERTI: Yes, I thought

22 that was understood. Thank you very much.


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1 MS. YAP: Oh, okay. We're

2 standing here, like, waiting for dismissal.

3 CHAIR MILLER: No, you are. Thank

4 you very much. Have a good night.

5 MS. YAP: Thank you so much.

6 Thank you.

7 MEMBER ALBERTI: Thank you. See

8 you Saturday.

9 MS. YAP: We would like to see

10 everybody Saturday.

11 MR. SALEEM: Everyone, all of you

12 guys come out.

13 MEMBER ALBERTI: I'll see you

14 Saturday.


16 CHAIR MILLER: That concludes the

17 Board's cases on today's calendar. And we're

18 adjourned.

19 (Whereupon, the hearing in the

20 above-entitled matter was concluded at 7:09

21 p.m.)

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