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Subject: Ancient arithmatics and numbers recorded in Purans and Ramayan and VALI RAM SANVAaD in Kishkindha kand

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Dear friends of Ancient astronomical histories, Maths and science,

1) VALI RAM SANVAaD in Kishkindha kand  As I say some ones sidhants may differ and as we have lost most of Original Sanskrit shlocks of original valmik ramayan, we just read the translated part in full. But still in kishkindha kand , VALI RAM sanvad has been explained in details as much as 12 pages but still I scan and attached those only 2 pages of those sanvad of RAM and VALI. please read each word with the meanings and with open mind. What Vali thinks of RAM, RAJ purush, Kshatriyas and BRAHMINs, VANARS and whats is ethical and whats unethical and reply of Ram to VALI. readers are requested to read those interesting things rather than disputing any thing. all sacnned pages are just as the giving as much as details in original availibility. Something About SCIENCE of the Ancient GENETICs in the PURANs and VEDAs - Can we undertsand it with TODAY's Science. Readers Please: THIS PART OF Email article is just to put light on the Existence of genetics Science in ancient Puran times. And not to dispute in depths of Ethics, Mythological or today’s GENICS Science MANIPULATING . Generally when we start the subject of Genetics every one Mandelian laws. But Was the Mandel right? Not exactly. That was the partial truth only and today’s advanced genetic science and Genetic engineering has gone far beyond. But still we are well back than the facts of science has been described in VEDAs and PURANas. We need to understand the meaning of those statements and study it with the modern science and technologies in relation to the genetics medical science. Though we believe that science has well advanced and today Genetics has advanced in such a stage that we need to keep control of the using genetic materials and techniques’. Including Stem cell experiments, Cloning embryos,  and tempering/MANIPULATING genetics. Though west believes that most of the genetics research work goes to their credit for the such genetics research. BUT that the true. I have been reading research on this subjects since 1960. and in 1962 during India China war one of the leaked article from COMMUNIST RUSSIA was saying that a embryo was  created with ape female and a Human sperm. And the experiment was criticised as against nature and was not done in REVERSE stage (Human Female and Ape sperms) else consequence would have been dangerous.  (HERE fertilisation was created by breaking the SPECIES BARIER of fertilisation) But Ramayana says JAMBUVAN was born with similar genetics science where Bear Female and Human sperm genes formed the JAMBUVAN where genetic species barrier of fertilisation has been over ruled. Though many a times medical studies do explain Barriers of  BBB (Blood Brain Barriers), SPECIES BARIERS etc. But now a days it has been seen that many experimental studies shows that many a times such barriers actually do not work in medical heath problems. E.g. many types of molecular, viral and genetics materials cross such barriers and give unexpected results in Clinical and pathological aspects.Similarly Species barrier has been recognised as no longer working in today’s genetics science. And it has been experimented since 1960s in Communist Russia.

 Today’s experimental results are existing in nature. Science is still looking for YETI – BIGFOOT. But HUMANZEE is existing as HUMAN and chimpanzee genetic combination.  LIGER exist as LION and Tigress genetic Combination. But such a mixed generation are NATURALLY unfertile form. So such a GENETICALLY TEMPERED next generation exist only after GENITIC MANIPULATIONS only. Gynaecology has advance using techniques’ Test tube embryo fertilisation and also with transferring/ implanting embryos to suitable situations.  And is not new and has been used in case of  BALDEVA, where a total surrogating was carried out but we will not go in that details here. GENETIC GANESHA. As it has been described in Shiva Purana, Ganesha was creation by Mata PARVATI from her somatic CELLS of hands in absence of the SHIVA. So may be Ma Parvatiji have used the Somatic Cloning technique.  Does that look like more of mythological but today’s genetics do not contradict the fact of the science. Now look in genetic details in form of the Science Genetics’ facts. Mother PARVATI has no shivas “Y” chromosome so she wished to create “GANaa” of her own from Her SOMATIC Cells genetic material only derived from her hands SOMATIC cells. If so ganesh Can have “XX” and so can not be in the FORM of “DEVA” GANESHa, but “DEVI” Ganesha. So is true that THE FIRST Creation was not the “TRIDEVA” BRAHMA , VISHNU and MAHESHa, but Mother Creation by nature in form of “MATAJI” which exist in form of only “XX” clone formation by nature and natural process.  Than only MATAJI creates the “TRIDEVA” BRAHMA , VISHNU and MAHESHa as those were by the process without BIRTH. And clone from “Y” can not Exist as “YY” form of the Genetics. But such a creation was against the nature and lacking “Y” Shiva ANSH. And that was the fact to destroy Such a GANESHa as that form of GANESH unviable and may not pass the generations to next generations. So the war between GANESH and SHIVA has been explained and all THREE DEVAS , BRAHMA, VISHNU and MAHESHA agreed to destroy such form of Ganesha and then was replaces with head of the ELEPHENT!  A new creation of GANESHa by SHIVA.  HERE we are still far away to understand these part of new creation by SHIVA and head of Elephant.  Does elephant has Human gene “Y” or just a Head Transplant in limited permitted time scale. And how the GENOME was changed to “Y” of SHIVa ANSHa was manipulated by SHIVA the great GOD!  And that NEW form of GANESHa was made Viable and to pass on the generations. During Ramayana times VANAR and BEAR were created by DEVAS, Here a GENETICS SPECIES Barrier has been manipulated at that time. And HANUMAN was born from unmarried Mother ANJANI by VAYU DEVA. And grown up by father KESHRI.  As this puts light on the GENETICS SPECIES Barrier and generations. Hanuman Remained “BRAHMCHARI” and Has no generations BUT out of his Knowing SON was created by Mother. MAY that be the creation by Genes derived from Hanumans Perspiration.   A drop of his perspiration fell into the mouth of a great fish (mermaid) which gave birth to a mighty hero named Makara Dhvaja. Makara Dhvaja is considered the son of Hanuman.   As per another account ASURAPHAT was Hanuman's son with Benyakai, Pipek's daughter. 

VANAR:  Means VA NAR: means Like NAR: - Human. VA : means ALTERNATE,  Or/LIKE  and NAR: - Human.  The Sanskrit name given with scientifically that VANAR: are like humans. Not only by appearance but also grouping Rh factors to and so with the scientific consideration monkeys are named in SANSKRIT as VA NARA: = VANAR. And why VANAR species used to create SENA ? lets see the some facts of genetics in terms of SANSKRIT. For Humans :- Singular NAR:  Plural NARA:FOR Monkeys: -Singular VANAR:  Plural VANARA:  And so chances of crossing Species barriers for creation of the genetic generations are more likely and will not destruct the foetus due to miss matching Rh factors. 2) RAMA JANMA HOROSCOPES as said in Valmik RAMAYAN – appropriate Original Ramayan pages attached scanned and attaché for each description. Rama was born on CHAITRA SUD NAVMI at 12 PM AYODYA /KASI / VARANASI time in KARK LAGANAM rising at horizon.BHARAT was Born Next morning but before sun rise at about 4AM as MEEN Lagnam was rising means at least. 8 Rashi has moved to take 16 hours difference. BUT as sun was risen it was RAMNAVMI as well. But not the DASMI. LAXMAN and SHATRUGHNA was born next NOON again at 12 PM when KARK lagnam was rising at horizon. Means was DASMI but some says that was an EKADASHi in that case DASMI was KSHAYA tithi and EKASDASHI followed By RAMA NAVAMI.  Geographically Chaitra SUD 9 comes near End of MARCH and  in April in the next year after the EXTRA-ADHIK MONTH (PURSHOTTAM MONTH) year. Which is near EQUINOX timings. So day is about 12 hours and Sun rise/Sunset around the 6:30 in AYODHYA/VARANASI /KASI.Birth Time of Bharat is in NEXT early morning 4AM BUT as Sun rise is about 6:30 the tithi remained RAMNAVMI /CHAITRA SUD NAVMI..  LAXMAN and SHTRUGHNA were born after another 8 hours as when again KARK lagnam was rising at horizon. Which means that NEXT day 12 PM which is CHAITRA SUD DASHAMI. BUT many SHASHTRIES AND KATHAKARS says that was CHATRA SUD EKADASHI according to their belief,  though it has not been said in RAMAYAN. In that case DASHMI was a LAPSED and KSHAY TITHI and RAMNAVMI (CHAITRA SUD NAVMI) followed by EKADASHI (CHAITRA SUD EKADASHI) according to RAMAYAN. 3) ALSO an astronomical observations SUN and MOON during near time of Equinox and RAMNAVMI. Are as follows A)    MOON: Moon near Earth 20 March 2007 and as higher gravitation and Kepler's Laws Object has higher speed when close to centre – MOON has moved 15.1 degree in 24 hours. B)     And when Moon was FARTHEST from the Earth on 3 APRIL 2007 LOWER gravitation and Kepler's Laws Object has SLOWER speed when further away from the centre – MOON has moved 12 degree in 24 hours AVERAGE speed of the MOON remains about 13 Degree and when the moon remains at MEAN distance from the Earth in the middle timings of  A (20 March 2007) and  B (3 APRIL 2007). ALSO MOON Month is about 28 and a half day but as LUNAR distance is variable the duration of the  LUNAR  month is also variable. In past time LUNAR month was 30 days as said in PURANs. So can you calculate the LUNAR distance for the 30 days Lunar MONTH ! also when it was possible and when again as moon is slowly going away from the Earth. 

C)    EARTH near SUN on 4 Jan 2007  and as higher gravitation and Kepler's Laws EARTH has higher speed when close to SUN and so Earth moved 1.01’11” > 1 degree in 24 hours. D)    And when EARTH was FARTHEST from the SUN on 8 JULY 2007 LOWER gravitation and Kepler's Laws EARTH has SLOWER speed when further away from the SUN – EARTH has moved 0.57’ 11” < 1 degree in 24 hours. AVERAGE speed of the EARTH remains about <1 Degree and when the Earth remains at MEAN AU distance from the SUN at present time in the timings of  EQUNOX days. 20/21 MARCH and 22/23 September. ALSO EARTH YEAR  is about 365.25 days but as AU distance is variable the duration of the  EARTH’s Year is also variable. In past time EARTH’s Year was 360 days as said in PURANs. So can you calculate the AU – SUN EARTH distance for the 360 days EARTH’s Year! also when it was possible and when again the EARTH is closing to the SUN to make Year of 360 days?  Hints What should be MEAN AU distance to make the Earth speed of 1 degree around the sun? use Capler’s calculations. And reduce the AU by some 1% and calculate and try again to find out accurate AU distance for EARTH year of 360 days. 

yearEquinoxMar

SolsticeJune

EquinoxSept

SolsticeDec

day time day time day time day time

2002 20 19:16 21 13:24 23 04:55 22 01:14

2003 21 01:00 21 19:10 23 10:47 22 07:04

2004 20 06:49 21 00:57 22 16:30 21 12:42

2005 20 12:33 21 06:46 22 22:23 21 18:35

2006 20 18:26 21 12:26 23 04:03 22 00:22

2007 21 00:07 21 18:06 23 09:51 22 06:08

2008 20 05:48 20 23:59 22 15:44 21 12:04

2009 20 11:44 21 05:45 22 21:18 21 17:47

2010 20 17:32 21 11:28 23 03:09 21 23:38

2011 20 23:21 21 17:16 23 09:04 22 05:30

2012 20 05:14 20 23:09 22 14:49 21 11:11

2013 20 11:02 21 05:04 22 20:44 21 17:11

2014 20 16:57 21 10:51 23 02:29 21 23:03   Kepler's lawsThough originally stated to describe the motion of planets around the sun, Kepler's Laws also apply to comets. LAW 1: The orbit of a planet/comet about the Sun is an ellipse with the Sun's center of mass at one focusThis is the equation for an ellipse: LAW 2: A line joining a planet/comet and the Sun sweeps out equal areas in equal intervals of time Click here to see larger animation LAW 3: The squares of the periods of the planets are proportional to the cubes of their semimajor axes: Ta2 / Tb2 = Ra3 / Rb3  Square of any planet's orbital period (sidereal) is proportional to cube of its mean distance (semi-major axis) from Sun Mathematical statement: T = kR3/2 , where T = sideral period, and R = semi-major axis

Example - If a is measured in astronomical units (AU = semi-major axis of Earth's orbit) and sidereal period in years (Earth's sidereal period), then the constant k in mathematical expression for Kepler's third law is equal to 1, and the mathematical relation becomes T2 = R3 Examples of Kepler's Third Law

Planet P (yr) a (AU) T2 R3Mercury 0.24 0.39 0.06 0.06Venus 0.62 0.72 0.39 0.37Earth 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00Mars 1.88 1.52 3.53 3.51Jupiter 11.9 5.20 142 141Saturn 29.5 9.54 870 868

 4) Astronomical names of stars, planets, galaxies and clusters are in relation to Puranic names, VASUKI, AGATSYA, Yayati, Saptarshi, etc Planet JUPITER was known to be the biggest of all SOLAR planets and so NAMED as GURU (GURU has to be Mahan GURU – Biggest of the all). Most of the names of the astronomical names are in the relations of Puranic names eg A) Andromeda GALAXY named as DEVIYANI and B) our Milky way GALAXY as MANDAKINI both were queens of KING YAYATI (Vega) etc. difficult to name all here else it will be long listing. 5 ) Half RAADIUS rules of present Astronomical and mathematical formulations explained in Purans.  This is also relates to above rules of KEPLER’s as below where Ta2 / Tb2 = Ra3 / Rb3  and T2 = R3 

Planet P (yr) a (AU) T2 R3Earth 1.00 1.00 1.00 1.00Jupiter 11.9 5.20 142 141Saturn 29.5 9.54 870 868

 Here Number2 has been used for Binary computerised system applications. Planets distance use 2 and timing of the planet and speed of planet/sec use of  √ 2 e.g.  Saturn is 2times far away than Jupiter so timing of Saturn will be 2 x √ 2 compared to Jupiter and speed of Saturn will be less by √ 2 compared to Jupiter Square roots of integers that are not perfect squares are always irrational numbers: numbers not expressible as a ratio of two integers. For example, √2 cannot be written exactly as m/n, where n and m are integers. Nonetheless, it is exactly the length of the diagonal of a square with side length 1. This has been known since ancient times, with the discovery that √2 is irrational attributed to Hipparchus, a disciple of PythagorasThe square root of 2, also known as Pythagoras' constant, often denoted by √2 but can also be written as 21 / 2, OR √2=1.4142135623 7309504880 1688724209 6980785696 7187537694 8073176679 7379907324 78462More detailed information of it can be read from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_root_of_2  Planet Jupiter is half way to the distance of Saturn and so Saturn is half way to the distance of Uranus and Uranus is half way to the distance of the Neptune as well. 6 ) Maths Figures according to the PURANs English Word Gujarati Word Veidik   In FiguresZero Mindu Sunya    0One Aek Aekam 100  1Ten Dash Dasham 101 10Hundred So Satam smat 102 100Thousand Hajar Sahastram 103 1000

Ten Thousand Dash Hajar Ayutam(Dash Sahastram) 104 10,000Hundred Thousand

1Lakh Laxam 105 100,000

1Millions Dash  Lakh Prayutam(Dash Laxam) 106 1000,00010 Millions 1Cror Kotimaya 107 10,000,000100 Millions Dash cror Dasham Kotimaya 108 100,000,0001Billions 1Arbuj Abudam(DashKotimaya) 109 1000,000,000 10 Billions Dash Arbuj Vunda 1010 10,000,000,000100 Billions So Arbuja Kharve (Dasham Vunde) 1011 100,000,000,0001Trillions   Nikharve 1012 1000,000,000,00010 Trillions   Maha Padhyam(Dasham

Nikharve)1013 10,000,000,000,000

100 Trillions   Shanku 1014 100,000,000,000,0001Zillions   Samundram (Dashm

Shanku)1015 1000,000,000,000,000

10 Zillions   Antyam 1016 10,000,000,000,000,000100 Zillions   Madhya (Dasham Antay) 1017 100,000,000,000,000,000    Parardhe-Paradham 1018 1000,000,000,000,000,0001Google     10100 1 followed by 100 Zeroes 7) Numbers of AKSHOUNI in Mahabharata.     1 AKSHOUHINI - SENA   21830 Ratha        21870 Elephant        65610 Horse        109350 Para? (Pada)    1 Akshohini   218700 Total    1 PATI   1 Rath         1 Elephant        3 Horse        5 Para (Pada)        10 Total=1PATI    1 GRUH - PATI   1 Bharya        2 Putram        2 Putriyam        1 Gruhe        1 Krushtiyam        1 Goum        2 Nandi        10 Total = 1 GRUH PATI  ATTCHED FILES :- Complete Ramayan Information.jpg Ramayan timing 180 years of cycle. LSA CMF and GSA CSF18 Akshini.jpgHOROSCOPE OF RAMA.jpgRAM LAX BHARAT SATRU BIRTH times.jpgPlaces of RAMAYAN.jpgRAMNAVMI PANCHANG CALANDER.jpgRAM ni VANAR SENA.jpg

PURE RAMAYAN -VALMIK RAMAYAN is the original RAMAYN In SANSKRIT schocks. later Tulsidasji write that in SARAL "chopai" so people who do not understand Sanskrit can simly understand tulsikrut "Ram charit manas" If some ones opinion differes on different sidhant - WE can NOT CHANGE the original sanskrit scripts of oroginal RAMAYAN. its good if it creates questions to stur up thoughts of the understhanding RAMAYAN. We are loking for a FULL SANSKRIT RAMAYAN of 24006 SHLOCKS of which SANSKRIT

UNIVERSITY has the HALF Ramayan worth 3000 pages. but still rest half is to be archieved. There are also different versions of RAMAYAN in Dravidian language and as said above may contradict with sanskrit writtings.

 WE just recollect what we have got in the past. WE are not conflicting what different sidhantas differes and how, WE can go to see BACK in time, WHAT was there back in the time but we just can collect what we have in RAMAYAN. and VEDS AND PURANS, Though different sidhants may differe,  beliefs may differe from person to person as and we are not beyond the RAMAYAN nor we are beyond the great WRITEERS of RAMAYAN or VEDAS and PURANAs We do have all LIBRARIES of VEDIC literature of an ORIGINAL nature INCLUDING ALL SANSKRIT PURANS and ALL CHATURVEDS and most of regigious books and ancient languages , codices- decodices, and most of the CALENDERS system including research report of CALENDERS by Government of INDIA.SECTIONS 14) SANSKRIT and grammar including full +1000 page Sanskrit dictionary,  Oxford dictionaries, Vedic (PURANs NAAD VEDAs) Library including all 18 Purans and 4 Vedas including grammar and translations AND AN ANCIENT PERSIAN BOOKS, MOST of VEDIC BOOKS.   SECTIONS 15) Archaeological library WITH ENCYCLOPEDIA OF ARCHEOLOGY , Forbidden archaeology including Civilisation and DHOLAVIRA video library, INCA, MAYA, EGYPT, INDUS etc.  2000+ books on ARCHAEOLOGY of Kutch, INDIA and whole World   SECTIONS 16) Geological Science Library including fossils and DINO fossils complete sets of Photographic libraries INCLUDING Forbidden Geology, ENCYCLOPEDIA OF GEOLOGY.  including video library  on many subjects of Science and other subjects of Maths and engineering as well. ***NEW:- We have RECENTLY addded UP 2000+ books on ARCHAEOLOGY, Kutch, INDIA and whole World. Now our Millions page Digital DATA libraries in Kutch Science Foundations & many more to come.  

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RAM LAX BHARAT SATRU BIRTH times.jpg

RAM ni VANAR SENA.jpg

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HOROSCOPE OF RAMA.jpg

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