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California Public Utilities Commission Public Participation Hearing on smart meter opt-out fees held in five regions of CA in Dec., 2012. CPUC official transcript of meeting held in San Clemente, California. Many speakers complaining of health impacts of smart meters. None in favor of fees.

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BEFORE THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA

ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE AMY YIP-KIKUGAWA, presiding

Application of Pacific Gas and Electric Company for Approval of Modifications to its SmartMeter Program and Increased Revenue Requirements to Recover the Costs of the Modifications. (U39M) And Related Matters.

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EVIDENTIARY HEARING

Application 11-03-014; A.11-03-015; A.11-07-020

REPORTERS' TRANSCRIPT San Clemente, California December 18, 2012 Pages 904 - 981 Volume - 9

Reported by:

Ana M. Gonzalez, CSR No. 11320 Michael J. Shintaku, CSR No. 8251

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MS. GEERLINGS MS. LINSKY MR. SCHALLER MS. PLOURDE MR. TYLER MR. MASON MR. SMITH MS. MALLON MR. MAYALL MS. ANDERSON MR. McCULLOH MS. PERATA

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SAN CLEMENTE, CALIFORNIA DECEMBER 18, 2012 - 6:00 P.M. * * * * *

ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE YIP-KIKUGAWA: We'll be on the record. The Commission will come to order. This is the time and place set for the Commission for the Public Participation Hearing in Applications 11-03-014, 11-03-015, and 11-07-020 addressing cost and cost allocation issues related to providing an option for gas and electric utility residential customers who do not wish to have wireless smart meters installed in their location. And good evening, everyone. I am

Administrative Law Judge Amy Yip-Kikugawa. The assigned commissioner for this proceeding is President Michael Peevey. And to start off with, a Public Participation is exactly what the name suggests. I'm here to hear from all of you. And if you

I do want to hear your comments.

do wish to speak, you should have signed up with the Public Advisor's Office in the back. If you haven't done so, please do so now. UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: understand. I don't

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ALJ YIP-KIKUGAWA:

Okay.

So I will be We will

calling for you to make a statement.

have everyone who has signed up will have an opportunity to speak. A couple housekeeping matters before we begin. today. I do have two reporters here

They will be taking down everything That transcript And they

and preparing a transcript.

will be given to the commissioners. will be reading it.

So I do ask that when you are called up to please speak slowly and clearly into the microphone. Please as audience members It's very

do not interrupt the speaker.

difficult for our reporters to get an accurate record if there's a lot of background comments from people as the speaker is speaking. This hearing is scheduled to last for two hours. And each speaker is going to We will also be

have two minutes to speak.

taking a short break about halfway through. And, again, please be sure all of you who wish to make a comment will have an opportunity to do so. And, again, since this is a Public Participation Hearing and to hear comments from all of you, there are no questions and

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answers.

I'm not here to answer any It's really I

questions that you may have. want to hear from all of you.

So just a little background on how a decision will be made in this proceeding and what the process is. For the three

utilities -- Pacific Gas & Electric Company, Southern California Edison Company, and San Diego Gas and Electric Company -- they were ordered earlier this year by the Commission to modify their advanced metering infrastructure programs to include an option for customers who did not wish to have a wireless smart meter. As part of that order, there were interim fees that were adopted. And a second

phase was kicked off to consider what the permanent fees should be and also what costs should be recovered from the utilities. So that is where we are today. For

Southern California Gas Company, they do not have an opt-out option for their advanced metering program yet. That is something that

is currently pending before the Commission. A decision will be issued on that in the near future. The utility, however, SoCalGas, is participating in this proceeding. And we're

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also as part of phase two looking at SoCalGas's cost and cost allocation issues. In terms of how a decision is going to be made, we have had evidentiary hearings in this proceeding already. For utilities as

well as various consumer groups have submitted testimony. We have had the And

witnesses subject to cross-examination.

the evidentiary hearings have been concluded. And we are now also going to be receiving briefs from all parties. And when I talk about the consumer groups, that includes the Commission's own Division of Rate Payer Advocates as well as outside consumer groups such as The Utility Reform Network and Aglet Consumer Alliance. The briefs and the evidentiary hearing testimony from the evidentiary hearings -- that makes up part of the record. Another part that we do consider is public input. And that is what we're here for

today, is to hear from all of you. When I conclude all the information that is submitted to me, when the briefs are filed, I will be looking at the evidence. I

will be preparing a proposed decision for the Commission to consider. The commissioners may vote out my

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decision.

Or if one of the commissioners

wishes to have an alternate outcome, they can provide -- they can write what's called an alternate proposed decision. Whatever

decision is voted out by the Commission is the final say. So that's the process that we have. And before we go into public comment, what I'd like to do is just make a few quick introductions. And first is to my right is

Varoujan Jinbachian, who is from our Public Advisor's Office. And I'd like him just to

give a couple words about what the Public Advisor's Office does. STATEMENT OF MR. JINBACHIAN MR. JINBACHIAN: Thank you, your Honor. My name

Good evening and welcome. is Varoujan Jinbachian.

I'm with the Public

Utilities Commission with the Public Advisor's Office. Our office helps the We

public to participate in PUC proceedings. facilitate hearings such as this. And our

staff was outside signing up speakers. In addition to making verbal comments here today, you could also send us written comments. outside. We have our agenda

And I know a lot of you were On the backside of the

picking them up.

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agenda, there's our contact information, both our mailing address and email address. If

you send us any comments, we'll route them to the judge and also to the offices of the commissioners so they will see your written comments. We also have a free subscription service where you can sign up electronically and you will receive updates on this proceeding or any other proceeding. Again,

on the back of the agenda, there is a link for the subscription service. You could just

follow the link, and you could enter this proceeding number to get updates. If you have any questions, please see our staff outside, or you could talk to me after the hearing and we'll try to help you as best as we can. welcome. ALJ YIP-KIKUGAWA: For the other Thank you and

introductions, what I would like to do is introduce you to individuals that are from the various utility smart meter programs. And they are available to answer any questions that you may have about the opt-out costs or their proposals after the hearing. Or you can just step outside during the hearing if you wish to speak to them.

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And if I could have Mr. Cave from San Diego Gas and Electric Company just wave and identify yourself, okay. We also have

Mr. Nicolatte (phonetic) from Southern California Edison Company. And we also have

Mr. Healy from Southern California Gas Company. So those individual