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My thoughts on the proposed early harvest of Coronet Forest are:
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Thestatedprosvconsareobviouslyslantedtowardsharvestingearly,I'msurethecorruptcouncilwilljustgrabthemoneyanyway,sowhyconsultus?
Noearlyharvesting.Leaveuntilmature,soastomaximisereturns.
Ibelievethethetreesshouldbekeptuntiltheirfullmaturityterm.Ibelievetimberpriceswillcontinuetoincreaseandcuttingaprojectshortlikethisdoesn'tmakesense.Surelythecouncilwhoapprovedtheforesthadalreadyconsideredtheriskthatyouarenowhighlightingagainandtheywerecomfortablewiththatdecision.
ItotallysupporttheearlyharvestofCoronetForest.TheworkthatQLDCdoeswithWWCGshouldbecommendedandalleffortsshouldbemadetohaltthespreadofwildings.Anyprofitgainedfromleavingtheforesttomaturewillbenegatedagainstfundingrequiredforwildingcontrol.
Isupporttheareabeingrevegetatedinnativeforest.
TheCoronetForestshouldbeharvestedearlytoremovethewildingseedsource,theseedandwildingtreesfromtheforestnowcoverthousandsofhectaresonCoronetPeakStationanduptowardstheCrownRangethreateninglandscapeandbiodiversityvalues.Millionsofdollarshasbeeninvestedinwildingcontrolandcontinuestobespentremovingseedsourcesaroundthedistrict.Removingtheforestnowisakeymoveincontainingandpreventingwildingsfromspreadingfurtherintothebackcountry.Theforestshouldbeplantedwithamixtureofnativesandexotics.
Harvestnow.CriticaltoreducewildingpinethreatandrestorethenaturalCentralOtagolandscape.Youcananalysethingstodeathbutsometimesyoujustneedtodotherightthing.Therightthingistoredresspast
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poordecisions.Theforestneedstogoandanintensiveprogrammeputinplacetoeradicateafterharvestseedings.
YesIbelievethisshouldbemanagedsoonerratherthanlater,wildingpinesareonlygoingtotakemore&moreofournaturalalpineenvironment.Earlyharvest&thenreplantinnatives.
HarvestASAPandreplantwithnativesplease.
Logitall.Replant.Enjoytheincreasesamenityvalueofacoherentlandscape.
Cutitdownandreplantnativetreesorbushes
CuttingitDownIwouldthinkwouldbemuchbetterthankillingitchemically.
Harvestnowwhileconditionsarefavourableandtopreventtheworseningoftheongoingwildingconifernightmare.
It'sgoingtolooklikeshitifyoucutitdown
Wearetalkingofaconsiderablelossofrevenuewithanearlyharvest.Wildingpinesarealreadyaproblemthatisbeingcontrolled.Extrarevenuegainedbymaturingtheforestwillbebetterusedtoeradicatethewildingpines.Youshouldreviewyouroriginalstrategythatestablishedtheinvestmentinthefirstplace,Ibelieveanearlyharvestwouldbeaverypoorresultanddisagreewiththeideaofanearlyharvest
HavingjoinedinWildingPineremovalgroupsacoupleoftimesnow(SawpitGully/GermanHillarea)Istronglysupporttheideaofanearlyharvesttoremovetheforestasareadyseedsource.
Whilestockweregrazingthehills,thewildingpinesproutswerekeptundercontrol,butthatmeantnativebushes/treeswerealsoeaten.Withstockremovedtoletthenativesgrow,theseedsourcehasmeantthatthepineshavebecomeaverycostlyproblem.
Regards,GerardHyland,
Harvestearly.HowmanytonsofpoisonwillNOTbeneededtocarpetbombnatureintosubmissiontocontrolthespreadofDouglasFir.Therearehealtheffectswiththepoisonused,forpeopleANDnature.It'sabigdealtocutdownthatforestnow,thevisualandnoiseeffectsonmybusinessandpropertyarehuge!TheFlightparkcatersfortensofthousandsoftouristsperyearandhavingtheforestcutdownwillnothelpbusinessintheshortterm,butitwouldbemorallywrongtowait.Thepoisonuseddefinitelydoesslowthetreesdownbutitkillssomespeciesofnativevegetationaswell.Theongoingcontrolforanother20yearswillchangetheecosystemforever.
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Ilivedhere10yearsnowandIcanseethespreadingofthepines,especiallyinandaroundArrowtown.Ipersonallythinkyoushouldharvestnow.Butitshouldbedoneinstagesasabarehillsidewillbeaneyesore.Especiallyifitsitstehreforthreeyears.Iamnotsureifitworksinregardstocostandseedspreading.
Iamnotsurewhatplantsizesyouallowedforrevegetationbutsmallplantstakealongtime.Andwereallywanttolookatanicehill.
Inregardstoreplanting-theautumncolourinArrowtownisbasedonSycamore,larchandrowan.EspeciallyRowanandSycamoreareweedsaswelljustnotevergreen.SoifreplantingIthinkweshouldgoforanativebeechforest.Thishillisfacingsoutheastandwillnotbesohotsothiscouldbegoodforthebeechtrees.Thesycamoreandrowanwillfindtheirwayinanyway.
IfwetacklethishillhowdowehandlethepineforestalongtheGondola?
Thesoonerwestopthespreadofwildingpinesthebetter
Thewisestcourseofactionistoharvestthetreesearlyinordertopreventevenmorewildingsspreadingtotussockland.Ourmountainlandscapeandnativefloraandfaunaneedtobepreserved.TheproposaloftheWakatipuReforestationTrustforreplantingsoundsexcellent.
Giventheuncertaintiesoffinancialreturnsfromincreasedtimberinthefuture,comparedwiththecertaintyofcostsfromthespreadofwildings,weshouldnotdelay.
Ithinktheforestneedstoberemovedsoonerratherthanlater.Thelastcoupleofyearshaveseenanexplosionofwildingsinthesawpitareathatcanonlycompound.Itmakeslittlesensetobepayingforwildingcontrolandatthesametimeharborthemajorseedsource.SomethingalsoneedsdonewiththeothertimebombbelowCoronetPeakRoad...
Pinetreesaren'tnativetoNewZealandandsoifthecountrycanharvestthetreesanduseitasheatingsourceforlocalhouses,Iwouldbehappytoharvestthemsoonerthanlater.Howeverthetreesareoursafetyoptionsifthingsgowrongintheair.Oftentreesaretheonesthatsafeusfromsevereinjuriesordying.IhaveneverhadanaccidentbutIknowothersthattreesmeanalottothem.Perhapsbeginattheend(Arrowtownside)firsttoallowlocalpilotsutilizetreesifneedednotthathappensoftenbutfromsafetypointIwouldkeepthematleastabovetheflightparkarea.Thanks.
Besttomakeadecisionbasedontherealmanagementconstraintsandeconomicsofthesituationratherthanaskanuninformedpublicwhattheywant.
I'mkeentoseeitgoneandreplantedwithsametreesasonthehillsaboveArrowtownandmaybereplanttussocksonthehigherslopes.So2/3rdstreesandupper1/3tussock
Thesoonerthepinesareremovedthesoonertheareawillregenerate.
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Thesoonerthepinesareremovedthesoonertheareawillregenerate.
Awonderfulthought!Yestoearlyharvest&replantingwithBeech&exotics.
Wildingtreesneedtobeeradicated.Harvestearlyandremoveasource.
BTW,thehillsaboveArrowtownareshowingsignsofobviouswildingspeciesinvasion.Areplansinplacetodealwiththis,soonest?
Ithinkitwouldbebettertoharvestthetreesearly.FinanciallyitseemsthereislittletochoosebetweenharvestingnowandatfullmaturitybutIthinkthespreadofseedsoverthenext15yearswilladdsubstantiallytotheWildingPineproblem.Surelyitisbettertoharvestnowwhilepricesaregoodanditwillhaveabeneficialeffectthantowaitwhilethingsmaychangetobecomemoredisadvantageous.ButharvestingnowmustbeontheassurancethatthereplantwillbewithnativesthatwillgiveasimilarlooktothebeautifulAutumncoloursofArrowtown.
Theforestshouldbelefttomaturebywhichtimethepriceoftimberanduseswillbefargreaterthantoday.IdobelievethereisaWildingproblembutitcanbecontainedwithVidglencetheimmediateneighbouraforeignownershouldbeaskedtocontributeastheyhaveDestockedalltheirPropertythemethodthatkeptthisproblematBay.
Ithinkitisagreatideatoharvestthisforestandthesoonerthebetter.ReplantingintreesthatwouldlooksimilartothehillsaroundArrowtownwouldbesogood.IfeelotherDouglasFirplantationslikethetwothathavebeenplantedneartheCoronetPeakroadshouldalsobecutdown,itwasunfortunatethattheywereallowedtobeplantedinthefirstplace.
Isupportanyinitiativetoharvestthisforestearly.IhavewitnessedprolificdouglasfirseedlinggrowthonthehillsideaboveArrowtowninthelast3-4yearsalongsidetheForest.Thelongerthisproblemscontinuesthelargerthecostthereisforwildingtreeeradicationbeyondthecurrentforestarea.Itisalreadyaproblem.
ThereisanopportunityfortheCounciltopromoteleadershipforaDistrictWideproblembeingtackledthroughtheTrustaswellasprivateownersandrunholderssuchasCoronetPeakStation.ItishardfortheCounciltotakeaprincipledstanceonsupportingwildingtreeeradicationontheonehandwhilecontributingtowardstheproblem.
OncetheForestisclearedIalsosupportthere-vegetationofthisslopeinnativeplantspeciesthatwouldhelptobettersupportindigenousbiodiversity.IdonotsupportplantingofthisareainexoticspeciestoinsomewayreplicatethecolourfulbackdroptoArrowtownduringAutumn,asthatisaqualityuniquetotheVillageandinthislocationwouldnotconnectoraddtothisuniquefeature.
UnderthisfutureregimeofaplantedreserveIwouldalsosupportdevelopmentofthelandforcompatiblerecreationpurposes,includingfurthermountainbiketrails.
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Iappreciatehavingtheopportunitytomakecomment.
Kindregards
ChrisFerguson
Iagreewiththeearlyharvest,mainlybecauseofthehugeproblemwithwildingpines.
IwouldstronglyfavourcuttingdowntheCoronetpineforestasearlyaspossible.Wildingpinesareaterriblepest.Cuttingdownoneofthemajorseedsourcesisacosteffectivewayofstoppingthespread.
Waitingtocontrolthemuntilaftertheyhavespread-egbysprayingorchoppingdown-isaveryexpensiveandtimeconsumingexercise.Andabattlethatisbeinglostatthemoment.Theyarespreadingfasterthantheycanberemoved.
Cuttingdownatsourcewillsavefuturemoneybeingspentonsprayingetcanddothejobmuchmoreeffectivelyandcomprehensively.
Ibelievewildingpinesareamajorblotonouroutstandinglybeautifullandscape.Iwelcomethechanceofcuttingdownthisforest-it'sagreatidea!
RemovetheCoronetForestASSOONASPOSSIBLE.
WeliveonthewestsideofArrowtowntherearelargeamountsofseedscomingfromCoronetforestandspreadinguptheCrownrangeandArrowriverwehelpwithhandcontrolbutthisisnexttouselessinthefaceofthehugeseedingpressure.
Cutthemdownnow.ThereisalreadyahugeimpactofwildingpinesinthebasinatthetopofSawpitGullythatwillonlygetworseiftheforestremains.Thetussockgrasslandecosystemismoreimportantthananypotential(andunpredictable)returnonleavingthetreestomaturebeforefelling.Getridofthemnow!
Istronglyagreetomillingthemassoonaspossible.Theyareahugesourceofthewildingpinesthatarerapidlyspreadingoverthehillsbehindthem.IaminvolvedintheAdoptaPlotontheBenLomondtrackanddonotwanttoseethisproblemincreasingyearafteryear.YesitwillcausenoiseandbeunattractiveforsometimebuttheintentionwasalwaystomillthemsoIthinksoonerthebetter
GoaheadharvestASAPanddoitasdescribed.Wildingisamenaceandneedsdealingwithsoonerratherthanlater.
Ifavourearlyharvestingandplantingofbeechandothernativespecies.
Harvestthetreesassoonaspossible.ThehillsallaroundArrowtownarebeingcoveredinWildingpines,andtheforestisakeyreasonforthespread.Tobinshillisincreasinglyaffectedbypines,BigHill,Sawpit
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andtheforestisakeyreasonforthespread.Tobinshillisincreasinglyaffectedbypines,BigHill,Sawpitgully,andthebackofSkippersalso.Theongoingcostsoferadicatingthewildingpines,combinedwiththelossofthelocalArrowtownautumncoloursmeanstheyshouldbeloggedandreplantedsoonerratherthanlater.
CoronetForestshouldbeharvestedearlytoreducethecostanddetrimentaleffectofwildingpinesandalsotooffertheopportunityofreplantingwithamoresympatheticvarietyofspecies.
Ihavehad25yearsexperienceintheplanting,harvesting,processingandsellingofbothRadiataPineandDouglasFir.Quitefranklyitdoesn'tmatterwhentheCoronetForestisgoingtobeharvestedasthelocation,thetypeofterrainandlackofsilverculturemeansthatitwillbetotallyuneconomicalatanyage.Myconcernisthedamagetotheenvironmentandlandscapesoonthatbasistheyallshouldgoassoonaspossible.
ItotallyagreeontheearlyharvestofCoronetforestasconifershavemanynegativeenvironmentalimpacts.
AlotofmoneywithinthecommunitygoesintocontrollingWildingpines,ifwedon'tdosomethingnowtheywillgetoutofcontrol.Seemslikeawasteofmoneyandvolunteerhourstryingtocontrolthesetreesinhighcountryareaswhenprevailingwindscarrytheseedsintotheseareasanyway.
Itwouldbesmarttobringforwardtheharvestsothatdistrictpoliciesandplanscanbeputinplacetomakesurethesegoontothepestregister.Therefore,peoplewhohavepinesontheirlandMUSTgetridofthem.Letssetannationalexample!
Eye-soresaren'tavalidreasonforpushingouttheharvest....peopleneedtogetalife.
IwouldliketosupporttheearlyharvestofCoronetforest.Thepotentialfordestructionofindigenousvegetationistoohightoleavetheforestinplace.Thecostofcontrolisalsoproblematic.Byremovingtheforestearly,QLDCismakingaboldstatementandshowingstrongleadershipinthefightagainstwildings.
IagreewiththeproposedearlyharvestofCoronetForestforallthereasonswhyQLDCisconsideringearlyharvest.
Iwroteareportdated21/01/1981totheTownClerk,ArrowtownBorough.(Istillhaveacopy!!)OwenMarshallretainedmyservicesandIinspectedtheareainthecompanyofMessrsMarshall,Reid&Wilcox.
I'maFarmManagementConsultantandPublicValuer(nowaged71)andwasheavilyinvolvedwithforestryatthattime.ClearlytheCouncilwantedtotapintothe50%Gvtsubsidytoestablishaninlandforestryresourcethatwouldprovidelocalbusinessopportunitiesinthefuture.JohnOlsenfromJEWatson&CoForestryDepthadpreparedareport.TheproblemswithWildingswereknownthen(Contorta)butspreadfromDouglaswasn'treallyconsidered.Littleattentionwaspaidtocontroluntilnow.Ithoughtitwasapoorchoiceofland-useatthattime,asgrazingoptions(deer?)weren'tproperlyconsidered.
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useatthattime,asgrazingoptions(deer?)weren'tproperlyconsidered.
Whoeverisassessingthecost/benefitassociatedwithanearlyharvestisonlyguessing,andIbelievewouldhavenoknowledgeofthedifficultytore-establishnativesinthisarea.Thecosttoconstantlyreleasewouldbemajor.TheygrowslowlyandwouldfacehugecompetitionfromDFseedlingsaswellasgorseandbroomwhichwouldmostlikelyemerge.ControlofWildingswillbesubjecttoconsiderableprogressintheensuingyearsasnewmethodsmostlikelyemerge.Anearlyharvestwouldproduceverylowincome(toofarfromanyPortforimmaturestems).
Thegreatweedinfestedscaranearlyharvestwouldgivewouldbeanembarrassingsight,andIdon'tknowiftheprivatelyownedDFCompartmentsgrowingalongsidewouldbeincludedintheearlyclearance?Ifnot,(whichIwouldsuspect)nothingmajorwouldbeachievedtostopthespreadofseeds,ifgrowingDFremainedinthearea.Iamprettysure(withoutaguarantee)privatelyownedstandsareinthisarea.Councilwillknowandwillrequireneighbourlyco-operationIwouldthink.
Ifeelwaitingaslongaspossibletoharvest(improvedweight,possiblyprice,certainlytechnologyforbothharvestandWildingcontrol)wouldbethebestmove-couldbe20yearsawayuntilaharvestscarwasvisible??Moretimewouldbeavailabletoestablishnewspecies,astheharvestmightbespreadover10years,resultinginmuchsmallerannualareastobemanaged.(Successmorelikley)
ManyDFforestsinOtagoandSouthlandarenowspreadingseedswiththeprevailingwinds,andIamnotawareofanyothercallsforanimmatureharvesttoattempttopreventthosespreads.Theycanbecontrolled.Ifeelitwasagreatmistakeinthefistinstancetoplantratherthanpursueagrazingoption,andIstronglyfeelnowthatanimmatureharvestwouldbeanothermistake,asthefutureeffectsoftechnologyandpricesisnotproperlyunderstood.
TheCoronetForest,wasplantedbytheArrowtownBoroughCouncilinthe1980's,despiteprotestatthetime--thoseagainstwerelabelledignorant''Greenies.''Thespreadofwildingconiferswasalreadyaproblemelsewhere,thoughthiswasconvenientlyoverlooked.Iwouldpersonallyconsidertheearliestpossibleharvesta''no-brainer.''yourssincerely,AnnieJeffersonPSIwouldwelcometheplantingofnativetrees,butbewaryofamixofnativeandexotics,astheLakesDistrictseemstoencourageexoticsovernativespecies.Nativestakelongertogrowinitially,butonceestablishedseemtogrowasfastasexotics.
IamnotagainstthisprotectbutwhatworriesmethewildingpineproblemontheArrowtownHillthatneedsurgentattentionandmoneytodoitandmanuallydonenospray.Ilookoutatthathillandatthemomentitisafabulousviewandusuallyiswhenthecoloursarenotvibrant
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butthemorethesetreesgrowetcsomeonewilldrasticallygetridofthem.PleasethinkaboutthisproblembeforethegrowingonofthetreesontheCoronetHill.Thinkwisely.
Fullysupporttheearlyharvestandestablishmentofnativeplantings.
IthinktheCoronetForestshouldbeharvestedearly.
yes,harvesttheforestearlyandremovesourceof(someof)thewildingconifersASAP.It'sexcellentthatcouncilhasrecognisedtheinconsistency-onearmistryingtoeradicatethemwhiletheotherarmisfarmingthem!
IsupportearlyharvestofcoronetForest.
HiGuys,
Goodjobonthinkingofgettingridofthese.IamverymuchagainstWildingPinesofallsorts.YouguyshavethoughtthisthroughverywellandIthinkthatBeechanddeciduoustreeswouldlookabsolutelyamazingandbeamassivebenefittoQueenstown.
Getridofthepinestreesismyvote!!
KindestRegards
MaxPerkins
Ifeelthetreesshouldbeharvestedassoonaspossibletoreducetheongoingseedingofthecountrybehindit.Eveniffuturereturnsmayoffsetthecostofongoingwildingpinecontrol,thefactthatremovingtheseedsourcewillreducethenumberofnewtreesneedingtobecontrolledandgivearealchanceofwinningthebattlewiththisinvasivespecies.
Insummary,getridofthemnow.
Cheers,Michael
Harvestearly,forallthereasonssetoutinthereport.TheproblemofwildingsisrapidlyincreasingandandinthiscasethetreesarespreadingtotheNWoftheforestbeyondBushCreek,acrosstoGlencoeStationandonuptowardsCrownPeak.Ithinkthefullcostofcontrolisprobablyunderestimated,andthelongerwewaittheworseitwillget.
Isupportearlyharvestingofthisforestandthereplantingin3yearswithspeciesthatwillnotinvadetussocklands.IhaveaForestrySciencedegreefromCanterburyUniversity,workedinmountainland
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revegetationresearchinthe1980sandsincehavehelpedwithwildingpinedaysintheWakatipu.
Isupportanearlyharvest.ReadingyourreportonthisinScuttlebutitwouldappearthatfromafinancialpositionthisistherightthingtodo.Alsothepointofpossibledamagefromstormorfirearevalidpoints.Alsoharvestingcostswillnodoubtbehigher.Thiswouldremovealargewildingpineseedsource.Butthemostcompellingreasonistochangethelandscapeintoonethatissuitablefornativefloraandfauna
IwouldliketheCoronetForestharvestedearly.
Thespreadofseedsare/willincreasewildingconifers.
TheearlyharvestwillbeanexcellentexampleofenactingQLDC'sownobjectivesandpoliciesretheprotectionofnaturallandscapesandfeaturesvalues.
Economically,thereisnoguaranteethatwoodpriceswillremainconstant.
QLDCshouldharvestCoronetForestassoonaspractical.WhiletherearesignificantenvironmentalandbiodiversitybenefitsfromreplacingtheDouglasFirswithNatives,thereisalsoaneconomiccase.Anyopportunityforabetterreturnbydelayingtheharvestuntiltheyreachmaturityisfaroutweighedbytheriskofgreatlyincreasedcostsforwildingpineremoval.Net:Intheinterestsofrestoringsomeofthenaturalbeautyoftheregionandcontainingfuturepossiblecoststhecouncilmustactnow.
IameditoroftheNewZealandAlpineGardenSocietyjournalandlastweekbeganresearchingapieceforthejournalonwildingconifers.YesterdayIdroveuptoCoronetPeakforthefirsttimetotakephotostoaccompanymyarticleandwashorrifiedattheextentoftheforestandthespreadofthewildingsthroughthetussockcountry.Allthewayhome(backtoWanakaviatheKawarauGorge)Icouldn'thelpbutnoticeconifers,wheretheyhadn'tbeenonmyradarbefore.Someappearedtoberelativelynewlyplantedforshelterbeltsfornewhomesandlifestyleblocks.Iftheiconicopentussockcountryistosurviveforfuturegenerations,weneedtoharvestCoronetForestnow.Theproblemwillbebeyondcontrolifharvestingisleftuntilthetreesarematurein15orsoyears'time.
Pleaselogtheforest,assoonaspossible,tominimiseunacceptablecostsofwildingpinecontrolforfuturegenerations.AndIthinkthisisthekindofquestionyoudon'tneedtoask.You'vedonethecostbenefitanalysis,itcouldn'tbeclearer,justgetanddoit!
Iamastrongsupporterofthepropositionthattheforestareabeclearedassoonaspossibletoextractwhatvaluecanbegainedwhilstthemarketisrelativelystrong.
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Therearealsogoodenvironmentalreasonstodoso.Iamnotasupporterofthevisualeffectsthattheforesthassubjectedthehillsidewiththedarkgreenintensificationthatnowlacksthenaturalcoloursofthatarea.
HavinghadexperiencewiththeharvestreturnsfromforestryIalsoamsuspiciousoftheeconomicreturnsthatcomefromlongtermharvestplanswhichneverseemtoaligntotheoriginalprojections.
Soinotherwordsthesoonerthatforesthasbeenharvested&theareareturnedtograsslandthebetter.
Thismayalsoreducethecarbonreplacementcostwhichcouldbepayableonharvest.
IgivetheCouncilfullmarksforraisingthismatter.
Ibelievethatthetreesshouldgrowtomaturity,hopefullymoreincomeforthecouncilandbettertechnologyforharvesting.
ItismyviewthattheCouncilhasanobligationtobea"goodneighbour"whichoutweighsanypotentialfuturefinancialgainfromthisforest.TheseedlingsareanenormousnuisancefortheadjoiningpropertiesandIamawarethatoneoftheneighbourstotheforesthasalreadyhadtospend$300,000tocontrolwildingpines,anddespitethisthevalleyaroundSawpitGulleynowbasicallylookslikeanewlyplantedforest.BythetimethetreesarefullymatureitseemsprobablethattheneighbourwillhavespentmoreoncontrollingthenuisanceresultingfromtheseedlingsspreadfromtheforestthantheCouncilwillgaininincomefromtheharvestwhichisquiteinequitable,andthecouncilwillatsometimeenduphavingtofitthebillforwildingcontrolintheadjacentareas.Bettertoremovethenuisancenowandalsobantheplantingoffutureforestsofthisspecies.Thankyouforconsideringthissubmission.MichaelFisk
Harvestthetreesearly!!Theyareclassifiedaswilding!!Nopointmentioningthefutureconsequenceiftheyarelefttofullymature!Justdoit!
Harvestearly.GoodtoseetheCouncilhasgiventhissomeseriousthought.
Thefuturereturnsfromforestryareuncertain.Whileparticipationinforestryhasbeenacommonactivityforlocalcouncilsformanydecades,recentpracticehasbeenforcouncilstofocusmoreondeliveringinfrastructurewithmuchlessparticipationinlongterminvestmentstrategiesnotassociatedwithinfrastructure.Theon-goingcostthatthedistrictfacesfromthewildingconiferproblemdictatesthatthepossiblefuturereturnsbeforegoneinfavourofreducingfuturecostnow.
Losethetreesnowandgetontopoftheenvironmentalthreatthattheypose.
Thanks,
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Thanks,
IsupporttheearlyharvestoftheCoronetForest
Happytoharvestlaterasplannned
Yes,harvestthetreesearly.Thissupportsthelongtermgoalofwildingeradication.
Leavetreestomaturityforgreaterreturn,thenplantwithnatives.
Yesplease!WildingsareacompleteblightontheOtagolandscape.Inmyviewtheonlygoodconiferisadeadconifer-pleaseharvestearly.
ThanksSally
Pleaseharvestearlyandreplantwithanon-invasivespecies.TheWakatipuWildingConiferControlGroupdoagreatjobsoQLDCshouldstillcontributefinanciallytowardstheirefforts.
HavingweigheduptheoptionspresentedbyQLDCitseemstomethebestcourseofactionistoharvesttheforestsoonerratherthencontinuetospendtheadditionalmoneyincurredtocontrolthespreadofpines,andthenhopetorecoopthismoneylaterwhentheforestmatures..Ifwewanttocontrolthem,weneedtostartatthesource,cuttingalltreesthatarespreadingseedssothatwearen'tgoingaroundincircles...
Pleaseharvestthemearly.
Earlyharvestplease.
It'sahugewasteofhumanlabourvolunteerresourcetogoupintoSkipperseveryfewweekstoremovewildingpines,ifthere'sapineseedfactoryjustafewmetersaway.
Longterm,Queenstownstandstogainmuchmorewithbeautifulnativeforestsappealingtohighendtourismthanitdoesfromafewcommerciallyplantedpinetrees.
Iwouldliketoseetheforestharvestednowratherthanatmaturity.
Why:1)Theseedsourcewillbeeliminated,helpingwiththeissueofwilding.Notonlywillthissavemoneyinwildingeradication,butalsosaveonvolunteertime,extraexposuretospraysrequiredforwildingcontrolandreducedamagetoalreadyfragilenativeecosystemsandspeciesbyfurtherwilding.
2)Theredoesnotseemtobeaconsiderablecostbenefittoharvestwhenthetreesareatmaturity,thereforeitmakessensetoharvestnowwhilepricesaregood.
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Definitelyharvestnow!Getridofallpines&replantwithnativesplease!
Ithinktheforestshouldbeharvestedearly.Itseemstomethatthebenefitsofharvestingearlyoutweighthepossiblereturnsatmaturityandthecostsofharvestingearlydonotoutweighthebenefits.Tobeabletostopthewildingthreatfromtheforestwillassistinthegrandplanofpreservingthelocallandscapeinitsnaturalform.
IlovewalkinginthemountainandamworriedaboutthethreatofDouglasfirtreestothelandscape.Douglasfirisanonnativespecies.ItposesarisktonativefloraandfaunaandisafireriskfortheOtagoregion.Seedlingsarespreadingatarapidrateandsomethingmustbedone,soonerratherthanlater,tocontroltheirspread.HarvestingthesiteonCoronetpeakandreplacingtheareawithnativespecieswouldbeanimmensebenefittoQueenstownandthewiderdistrict.
Timeshavechangesandsohaveattitudes.Thisisastepintherightdirection.IfullysupportQLDCharvestingthesitenearCoronetPeak.
Definitelyagainstwildingpinesandallforanythingthatwillmitigatethedamagetheyaredoing,soIaminfavourofharvestingearly.Ipresumealloptionsforharvestingwillbelookedat,toensureagoodreturnforArrowtown.SomeoptionsIcanthinkofare:Sellingthetreesuprightandsomeoneelseharvestthem,removalbymeansotherthanroads(whichwouldbeveryexpensiveonthesteepsite),e.g.spars,slidingdownthehill,helicopteretc.
Iwouldbepleasedtoseethepinesgoneastheydon'tfitinwiththelandscapearoundArrowtown.Iwouldratherthatthehillbeleftbare,likethehillsoverthebackofArrowtowntowardsCardrona,butifplantingmustbedone,thencolourfulnativeswouldbeOK.
PleaseharvestthemassoonaspossibletopreventfurtherspreadofWildingPines
Yes,Ithinkthetreesshouldbeharvestedearlier.Anythingthatcanbedonetominimisethegrowthofwildingpinesinthisbeautifulareaisagoodidea.
Ithinktheyshouldbeharvestedassoonaspossible
TheoutlineinScuttlebuttclearlyindicatesthepreferredoptionofQLDC;earlyharvest.Howevertheinformationdisclosedisinadequateforratepayerstomakeaninformedchoice.Inparticulararethecost/benefitoptions.
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Inparticulararethecost/benefitoptions.1.Undertheearlyharvestoptionthereisa$450KOPTIMISTICADVANTAGE2.UndertheOPTIMISTICMODELa$250Knetreturnisforecast.3.UndertheCONSERVATIVEMODELashortfallof$1.2Misprojected.
Thisisahugevariance;$1.45m,withoutanyexplanation.HistoryrarelyproducestheOPTIMISTICresult;inanybusinessorlocalauthorityprojections.Sogiventhegapitisrealisticsoexpectadeficit.Nowhereisthereanycommentaryonhowthisdeficitwillbefunded-ratepayerslevy??
Whilstmostmaysupportearlyharvestonecologicalgroundstheymaynotbesosupportiveifitisexpectedtocostupto$1.25M.delayingharvestcouldmitigatethisloss?
Couldweseemoreofthecostbenefitoptionsexplainedforthebenefitofthoseconsideringthechoice?HowistheQLDCmakingtheirdecision-onwhatcriteria?perhapstheQLDCcouldsharetheirdecisionmakingconsiderationsfurtherwiththeirstakeholders.
Isupportearlyharvest.Ruiningthelandscape
Pleaseharvestthemnow!
Wildingpinecontrolshouldbeundertaken,andkeepingaseedsourceincouncilownershipisjustplanestupid.Thereislittlereturnlikelyonthisforestryinvestment.
Ihavenoproblemwiththeharvestoftheforestproceedingbasedontheinformationprovided.Iassumeallpossibleavenuesoftheuseofthetimberhasbeenexplored(localmillinganduse,woodpellets,firewood,biofuelforboilers,charcoalproduction,etc).TheCouncilshouldbemindfulofroadwearfromloggingtrucks.
Ifthereisanyincomefromtheharvestitshouldbedirectedtothecontrolofwildingpinesandassociatedspecies.
TheQLDCshouldconsidereveryaspectoffuturepaintingwithcaution.Itispreferableifnativetreesareplantedratherthanexoticspecies.
Thetreesshouldbeeitherharvestedorsprayedattheearliestopportunitygiventhedamagebeingcausedthroughseeddispersalontheadjacenthighcountry.Councilshouldbeseentobeasbeingaresponsiblelandownerandtheirinvolvementintheplantationissendingoutallthewrongmessagestoallotherlandowners.ThecurrentsituationisnothingshortofludicrousgiventheamountofmoneythathasbeenspentandwillbespentonwildingcontrolintheQueenstownLakesDistrictandhavingtheadministratingauthorityasamajor
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Ithinktheyshouldbeflattenednow.Youguysaredoingagreatjobwiththeseedandtreecontroltodateandhavemadeconsiderableandvisualprogressonthisenormousprojectlocally.Youwouldbefavourablyseenasuppingthestandardofcontrolandleadingthecommunitybymakingthisdifficultdecisionatconsiderablecosttoyourselvesanditsinterestofthewidercommunity.Thisforestisinahighprofileareaandtheactiontakenherewillbenoticedbyallwithgreatbenefitandsupporttoyourseedingsourcecause.TheworkdonesofarintheSkippersandMarlboroughSoundsisevidenceofprogressivepeoplesworklikeyours.
Harvestnowseemsasensiblesolution.
Knowingtheeffectsofseedinganditsrepercussionintermsofcosttocontainwildingpinesandstopitsproliferationitmakessensethatan'earlier'harvestisthemostsensiblesolution.
Ithinkthetreesshouldbeharvestedearly,becausetheireffectasawindblownseedsourceisenormous,andishavinganeffectonNZlandscapes,ischangingthelookandfloraofthecountryinanegativeway,asnativesaregenerallybeingpushedaside,andtherefore,NZcountrysidewillnolongerbeunique,andobviouslythenatureofthemonoculturecreatedbythewildingsisnotbeneficialtothefloraorfaunaofNZ,asitdoesnotcreateapositiveenvironmentorvariationallydiverseenoughtocreateafoodsourceforthebirdlife,andthelook,althoughpleasantenoughforthepeople,isnotasattractiveasaNativeForestinterspersedwithnonselfseedingexotics,togivetheAutumnColourdesiredbytheArrowtownlocals,butstillenhancesthelocalbeauty,thusmakingitnativeNZ,andthatisMUCHmoreattractivetotouriststhanseeingarelativelylifelessEuropeanforest------Ithinkalltheproposalsregardingcostandaestheticsareverysensibleanddeserveachance,altholongterm,ismuchbetterforthefutureofthetown,ourchildrenandgrandchildrenandthecountrysideandtouristindustryingeneral--------thankyouforthisopportunitytobeapartofaveryvalianteffortbymanypeopletocontrolthis"pest"-------alltheverybestinyourquest---------Mutt
AsPatronoftheWildingControlGroup(WCG)IstronglysupporttheearlyharvestoftheCoronetforest.TheWCGgreatlyappreciatethesupportwehavebeengivenbyQLDCtoeliminatewildingsintheWakatipuBasin.Theearlyharvestofthisforestwillfurtherassistusinouraims,astheharvestingwillstopmanymoreseedbeingproduced.Thankyoueion
IwouldliketoseetheearlyharvestoftheCoronetForestasIamveryconcernedaboutthespreadofthewildingpineseffectonecosystem,tourismandfarming.HavingrecentlyspentsometimeremovingpinesinNewChumstrackIwasastonishedatthefootholdtheyalreadyhaveinthisarea.QLDCneedstoactquicklytoremovethemajorseedsourceandshouldalsobeproactiveinhelpingfightthewildingpinesintheareaasthelongertheyareleftthegreaterthespreadandthemoredifficulttheremoval
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asthelongertheyareleftthegreaterthespreadandthemoredifficulttheremoval
Ithinktheyshouldbeharvestedearlytopreventmoreseedspreadingtootherareas.Somuchvoluntaryworkhappenstoremovewildingpine.Itwouldbegreattogetridofmoreseedtrees,especiallysoclosetoCoronet.
Thisplantationshoulddefinitelybeharvestedassoonaspossible.TheQLDCandCODCneedtoleadthewaybyharvestingthesetreesnowandshowingthattheyareseriousaboutthecontrolofwildingpines.Thedamagethatwillbedonebythespreadofseedsfromthesetreesovertheirlifetimewillcostahugeamounttocontrol.Thiscostcanbesavedbyimmediateremoval;andourenvironmentsavedfromanyfurtherdamagefromthesepests.
Earlyharvestoftheforest-indeedassoonaspossible.ThesetreesareavastseedsourceandalreadywildingsareobviousintheBushCreekcatchment,havingblownovertheridge.DelayingharvestingwilladdahugeamounttotheQLDCcontributiontodealingwithremovingthewildingtreesinthefuture.Thecostofdealingwiththousandsofhectaresofwildingswillfaroutweighthefinancialreturnfrommorematuretreesatharvest.Financialreturnsforforestrytimberhavebeenfickleforyears,andthereisnoreasontoassumethepricewillimprovetogiveagoodreturninyearstocome.Thedelayalsomeansthoseindigenousplantssmotheredbythewildingsarelosttoournativecreatures-lizardsspecies,berryeatingbirds,insectsetc.,ourbiodiversity.ItisourbiodiversitythatmakesNZdifferenttootherplaces!
Iamstronglyinfavourofanearlyharvestoftheforest.OverthelastfewyearsIhavebeenmountainbikinginthehillsoutbehindArrowtownandhavenoticedasignificantincreaseinthenumberofwildingpinesbecomingestablishedinthetussocklandsalongtheBrackenSaddletrack,theMacetowntrailandaroundtheSawpitGullytrailarea.WhilstIcannotsayconclusivelythatthesehavecomefromseedsblownfromtheCoronetForest,theycertainlyappeartohavegiventhattheforestrepresentsthemostsignificantlocalsource.
If,asthematerialssay,theisverylittledifferenceinthefinancialoutcomeofretainingtheforesttooptimalharvesttimeandharvestingnow,Icannotseeanygoodreasontoretaintheforestandincreasetheriskoflosingthetussocklandstowildingpineforests.Iftheamountofseedproducedfromtheforestisonlygoingtoincreaseasthetreesgetbigger,thecostofwildingpinecontrolisonlygoingtoincreasealongwithit,and,whilstitiseasytosaythatthecouncilwillfundthecostofthecontrolfromtheincreasedproceedsfromthetimberharvest,inrealitythereisarealchancethatthemoneygetsdivertedtomorepressingmattersonthecouncilagenda,particularlyasthecostofwildingpinecontrolwillhavetohavetolbepaidbetweennowandtheharvest.
Whygambletheoutstandingnaturalbeautyofthealpinetussockgrasslandswithoutanystrongbasisfordoingso?
Yesdefinitely.Itseemscosteffectiveandweshouldbedoingeverythingtoreducethewildingpinegrowthrisk.
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Thisshouldbeharvestedearly.Thetreesaremoreharmthangood.Iagreewiththeproposal.
WeshouldearlyharvesttheforesttopreventthespreadofwildingpinesontheCoronetslopes.Thecouncilisassistingwiththecontrolofwildingssotolettheforesttocontnuetospreadseedsdoesnotmakesense.
Since2000wehavebecomeawareofthethreatofwildingpinesspreadingincentralotagotobringaboutamonoculture.Theeffectistocreateasterileundergrowthandthisisnotconducivetoathrivingbirdpopulation.ItisthenewgorseandweknowthatthishascostmillionsofdollarsthroughoutNZanditremainsanongoingissueinmanyregions.Astitchintimewithcontrollingwildingpinesisastrongcaseforharvestingthedouglasfiresnowratherthaninthefuture.WitnesstheforestfiresinCanada.TheriskofkeepingtheCoronetforestuntilmaturityisnotworthit.
Iagreewithharvestingearly,itseemsludicroustospendsomuchonwildingcontrolwhilstholdingsuchassets.Thefiguresaresovolatilethatacalleitherwaybasedonfinancialsisjustanexerciseinrisk.
IstronglysupporttheearlyharvestofCoronetForest.Inoteinthediscussiondocumentasectiononnativeplantings-yetthereisnotmentionofnatives.Thereisonereferenceto'beech'butthesecouldbenativeornon-native.Moretothepointthereisabsenceofaconsidereddiscussionoftheprosandconsofnativevsnon-nativeplantings.Noreplacementplantingsshouldtakeplaceuntilsuchanalysishasbeendoneandtherehasbeentheopportunityforpublicinput.
Thatthetreesshouldbeharvestedearly,andnotlefttogrowtomaturity.Thecostsinvolveddownthelineincontrollingtheseedsourcewillonlygrow.Also,thesoonerthetreesareharvested,thesoonerrevegetationcanoccurontheslope.
Theseshouldbeharvestedearlytohelpstemthespreadofwildingpines.
Thesestreesshouldberemovedassoonaspossiblebecauseofthecostofwildingspread.Thevalueofleavingthemuntilreadytoharvestcaninnowaymatchoroutweighthecostofwildingcontrolcausedbythesetrees.Itisverylikelythecostofleavingthemuntilreadytoharvestisconsiderablymorebyordersofmagnitudethanthereturn,inamarketthatisknowtobefickle.Thecostsincludethedirectcostsofwildingcontrolthatwouldhavetobedoneforanother25years,andthatincludescontrollingthetreesspreadfromwildingsoriginallyfromthissourceandtheseareheadingtowardsCromwellnowanddowntheCardronavalley;andtherearetheexternalitiesintermsofchangesinecology,hydrologicalregimes,impactsontourism(forexample,negativeattitudestowardsstandingdeadtrees,andtowardswildingspreadandlossofopengrasslands),impactsonfarming,etc.Afurthercostisthatbecauseoftheenormousresourcesthatwouldhavetobeputtowardscontrollingthemassivespreadfromthisforest,thereisincapacitytodirectresources,includingvolunteerlabour,tootherareasrequiringwildingcontrolwherethereisbettervaluefor$spent.
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areasrequiringwildingcontrolwherethereisbettervaluefor$spent.TheMahuWhenuacovenantcouldinsteadredirecthundredsofthousandsofdollarsintootherconservationactivity,ifitdidnthavetospenditoncontinuouscontrolofwildingscomingfromthissource.
Aslongasseedsourceremains,wildingcontrolisafutileandevercompoundingtaskinthelongterm.Thesetreesmustgoassoonaspossible.Councilshouldassessallitsotherrisktreesoncouncillandwithaviewtoremovingalltreesthatareasource.
Aplanforrevegetatingtheareaisalsopartoftheprocessandthisneedstobepreparedassoonaspossible,toallowforgrowingonofthelargenumberofplantsthatwillberequired.Ideallytherevegetationwouldbeindigenous,complementingnaturalregenerationthatwilloccur.Ecologicalassessmentofpotentialfornaturalregenerationandforweedinvasionpotentialalsoneedstobeundertaken.Theinclusionofexoticspeciesisnotinappropriate,providingtheycontributeoratleastdonotdetractforhealthyecosystemfunctioningandarenotaspreadriskspecies.Theideaofautumncolourwouldbeappropriate,andcouldcreateastunningbackdroptotheWakatipubasininautumn..
Harvestnow,Toleavewillcauseincreasedcosttoratepayersintheregionwithlittleornonetfinancialreturnintheoverallwashupoftheproject.LookingbackwhenforestryreturnsweremoreacceptableIcanseethereasonwhysomanycouncilsgotintoforestplantingbutherewegotintothegametoolateandnowitcouldbecomeanothermillstone.WeliketheideaofreplantingtheslopesintreessimilartoaboveArrowtown
I'mkeentoseethetreesharvestedearlyandreplantedinnatives.
Earlyharvestisthemostcosteffectiveandenvironmentallyresponsibleoption-intermsofwildingspread.IalsostronglysupportworkingwithlocalsociallyresponsiblebusinesssuchasWilding&Co.
Taketheforestoutnow.Thecostofleavingtheforestisbadlyunderestimated,Thematuretreesareseedingprofusely.Awalkoverthevastareabeyondtheforestshowsacropofsmalltoseveralyearoldwildingsbeginningtocarpetthetussock.Iftheforestislefttomature,sayanother15years,theareaswillrequiresprayingatleasttwiceandanothertimeortwoaftertheremovale.gresidualseedsittinginthegroundandthengerminating.ThreefactorsintheScuttlebuckerequireamending:1.Toleavetheforestwillcostfarmorethantheestimateofwildingcontrol.2.TheseedisblowingintotheArrowtownembankmentandwildingsarealreadyoutgrowingtheautumncolouredtrees.3.National,RegionalandLocalcouncilsareallpromotingbeinga"goodneighbor"inrelationtonotallowingwildingstoseedontovulnerablelands.TheArrowtownforestisabadneighbor.Council,setandexampletootherlandowners.4.Everytimetheareabeyondtheforestissprayedforwildingcontrolallthewoodynativeplantsarekilled.Anestimatedthreetofoursprayingswhilethetreesmature,andatleastoneaftertheforestremovalwillleaveadamagedtussockcountry
DuetotheincreasingamountsofwildingpinethatwillresultfromleavingtheCoronetForestinsitu,itismy
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DuetotheincreasingamountsofwildingpinethatwillresultfromleavingtheCoronetForestinsitu,itismyopinionthatthisforestshouldbeharvestedearly.Regardlessofthefinancialpriorities,thefactthatmoreandmorewildingpinewillresultinbeingseeded,thisisabigenoughreasontogetthepineharvested.
MywifeandImovedtotheLakeHayesarea12monthsagoandourpropertylooksdirectlyupattheforest.Theviewiscontaminatedbythenonnativetreesandwearefullyinfavourofharvestingattheearliestopportunity.Furtherwestthewildingpineshavebeensprayedandlookaneyesorewiththedeadtrunks,whichneedstobeeitherburntordropped.
Iwouldliketoseethecurrenttreesharvestedassoonaspossible.
Theyshouldprovidegoodincomewhichcanbeusedforfurtherplantingof"nonwilding"species.Thewildingpineprobleminourdistrictisarealconcernandtheimmediateharvestoftheforestwillminimisethespreadofseeds
Ithinktheyshouldbeharvestedassoonaspossibleandnativeplantsplantedinitsstead.
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Peta.
PleaseharvesttheCoronetForestassoonasyoucan.
Ibelievethisshouldbeharvestedearlyandnativetreesplanted
Definitelyharvestthemassoonaspossible!Leavingthemwillultimatelycostmoreinthelongrun.
Harvestthemearly
Harvestthemearly
I'mforharvestingearly.ThewildingpinesMUSTbekeptundercontrol.
Readingthefor&againstcomment,Ithastomakegoodpolicytoharvestearly.Somyvotewouldbetoharvestearly.
Ithinkthetreesshouldbeharvestedearly.
Goforit
Doitnow&replantbeforethewildingpineproblemgetsworse!
Harvestearlytoreducethecostofcontrollingthespreadofwildingpinesandgettherevenuesoonerratherthanlater.
Harvestthepinesearly,replantwithNatives.Limitwildingpinespreadandthecostcontrollingthem.
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gettingridofthewildingpinescanonlybeagoodthing.Wehaveplentyofnativespeciesthatcanfillthegapandprovideagoodnativehabitat.
Definitelywillbebeneficialtoharvestthemearliereventhoughitwillnotreceivethefullpotentialfortheinvestment,Ibelievethatitwillhelpwiththefightagainstthespreadintothebackcountry
Ithinkyoushoulddefinitelyharvestthecoronetforestearlyandreplantwithnatives.Thesoonerthebetter.I'dbehappyforthistohappenalloverthedistrictevenifitraisedmyrates.
Theforestshouldbeharvestedassoonaspossibletostopthespreadofwildingtrees.ThewildingtreeproblemwasnotreallyunderstoodatthetimetheforestwasplantedIthinkintheearly80s.Itwasseenatthetimeasarevenueearnerforthecouncil.Howeverthesituationhaschangeddramaticallysincethenandwearefacedwithwildingpineinvasiongettingoutofcontrolinsomepartsofourdistrict.Whyaddtothisproblembylettingtheforestreachmaturity.Thelandbehindtheforestissusceptibletowildingspreadandwouldnotbeeasytocontrol.TheProposedDistrictPlantalksofbanningwildingpinespeciesinthedistrict.Councilshouldnotbeinthepositionofsupportingpinesononehandanderadicatingontheother.
Iagreeitwouldbebesttoharvestthemearly,tohelpsavefurtherdevastatingdamagefromthewildingsspread.Itshouldbeputbackintonativeforest.
Harvestearly.Theearlierwecanreplant/repairthelandthebetter.Oncethetreesareharvestedtherewillbeagood5-8yearsorsoofuglinessandtheearlierthishappensthebetter.Landownersundertheforestshouldalsohavetheirwildingtreesremovedaspartofthisplan.
Harvestnow.CashupandslowthespreadofWildingpines
Theyshouldbeharvestedasaptostoptheseedingofwildingpines
Harvestnow,limitthetreesthataddtotheWildingpineproblemandcashinearly
Harvestthemnow
earlyharvestwouldbetherightwaytogoifwearegoingtotakethiswildingpinessituationseriously.
Tomeitmakesmuchmoresensetoharvestthetreesearly(andattainlessfinanciallyfromsellingthemperhaps)thancontinuetospendhugeamountsofmoneyontryingtocontrolwildingpinegrowtheverywhereelseintheBasin.Iflefttogrowtomaturity(andcontinuetoseed),thespendingonwildingpinecontrolwouldlikelyhavetobeincreasedyearbyyear.Whichwouldoffsetthesupposedfinancialgainstobemadebyleavingthemtomaturebeforefellingandselling.AsmuchasIreallydisliketheideaofgettingridofmaturestandsoftrees,thespreadofDougFirisalreadyalmostuncontrollable-butifwekeeptryingtocontainityearbyyear,bitbybit,areabyarea,weWILLsucceedinmanagingthisinvasion.
Ithinkit'sfarbettertofellthemearlier-thenproceedwiththerevegetationofthehillsidewithamixofnativeandexotics(deciduousandevergreen)ASSOONASPOSSIBLE.
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nativeandexotics(deciduousandevergreen)ASSOONASPOSSIBLE.
Wouldtheguyswhosetupthepromisingsoundingbusinessharvestingoilfromdougfirbeinterestedinharvesting(someof)thesetrees?Accessforfellingisprobablybetterthaninmostareas.
Hopefullytherewouldbefinancialreturnstolocalworkerswhenitcomestoreplanting,andtonurseriesforprovidingtheplantsetc.Andwhoeverwoulddotheongoingmaintenancerequired.Paidforbythethefundingbodieswhocurrentlyprovide$forwildingcontrol?Ratepayers?
Itwouldlookhorribleinitiallybut,inthelongrun,moretreevarietieswouldbemuchbetterecologicallyforbirdlifeetcand(hopefullynativeseeddispersal)inthedistrict.Reforestingourhillsideswithnativesaswellasafewcolourfulexoticswouldbefabulous.
Preventingthereturnofdougfir(andbroom)onthoseareasisnotgoingtobeeasythough.Nottomentionkeepinggoats,deer,possumsetcfromeatingnewlyplantedyoungtrees.
Goodonthecouncilsandwildingcontrolgroupsforaddressingthisimportantissue-ANDconsultingwiththecommunity.
ThankyouBindyCrayford
itisimportanttoharvestearlytoremoveseedsourceandreduceincreasingcostofwildingpinecontrolprogrammes.
EithertypeofharvestseemsmuchbetterthanthehideoussprayandkillwehaveseensofarinvariousplacesmostparticularlyaboveRoaringMeg.IbelievethosetreeswereplantedspeciallytopreventerosionsoIwonderwhatmayhappenifwehaveanotherseriousrain.ThetreesbelowCoronetPeakwereplantedIthinkasaseriousinvestmentsoIampleasedtohearthatpoisoningthemmaynothappenandthatreplantingofnotjustratherdrabnativesbutalsosomebrightexotictreesistohappen.
Pleaseharvestthetreesasanactiontoreducethespreadofwildingpines.
Ibelievealotmoreinformationneedstobemadeavailablebeforeanyeffectiveconsultationcanoccur
Somebasicinformationneededis
.1.Theproposedmethodofharvest2.Iswholeforesttobeharvestedatonceorisittobestaged.Howlongisitestimatedtotaketoharvestthewholeforest3.Theestimatedlengthofperiodforrevegetationtomaturetohideharvestscarnotingnoreplantingwilloccurforthreeyears
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Couldyoupleaseprovidethisinformationtothepublic
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Ifindthesprayingoutofwildingsveryuglyandunnecessary.Iwouldpreferthetreesbelefttogrowtoeconomicmaturity.Whatwillbeputintheirplaceifyougetyourwayandcutthemdown?Thereseemstobeanobsessionfornativeseverywhere,Ithinkamixturelooksgoodandthemixtureisevolving.SoIwouldreallynotbeinfavourwiththeproposedharvestofCoronetForest.
Iwouldliketoseethecurrenttreesharvestedassoonaspossible.
Theyshouldprovidegoodincomewhichcanbeusedforfurtherplantingof"nonwilding"species.Thewildingpineprobleminourdistrictisarealconcernandtheimmediateharvestoftheforestwillminimisethespreadofseeds
Iamforharvestingearly.
Besidesthedirectcostbenefitsforharvestingearly,therearealsotheindirect(non-measured)benefitstonativebirdlifeandtheviewsthatresidentsandtouristenjoy.
Removingthetreesistherightthingtodo.
Thecurrentcropoftreesshouldbeharvested/removedassoonaspossible.Manycautionedagainsttheplantingatthetimeanditisnowcleartoallthattheforestshouldneverhavebeenestablishedinthefirstplace.Assessmentsoffinancialgain(immediateharvestvslongtermharvest)areanirrelevantdistractionfromthefactthatthetreesareforeignbarbarianspeciesthatareanincreasingthreattoourenvironment.
Please=harvestearlytohelpcontrolthespreadofthewildingpines-thetussockslopesabovearrowtownaredisappearingfast
Goodideatoharvestearly.
Goodideatoharvestearly.
ThecouncilneedstoaddressthefundamentalissueofWildingPinessogetridofthem.Thisalsoshowsleadershiptootherlandownersandavoidshypocrisy.Conveniently,thecostsoftheeffortmightbeclosetoneutralsoitsnotasifthecouncilistakingamajorfinancialhittogettheclearingunderwaynow.
Handsoff!
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Handsoff!
Pleasedon'tharvestthesetreesearly.Theylookbeautifulandprovideandawonderfulcontrasttothemillionsofacresoftussock!
QueenstownisseenisanAlpineResortandibelievesomeoftheseplantings,especiallybehindQueenstownitselfenhancethisspecialness.
Whynotsticktotheringfencesprayingapproachlikeinotherareas.
Thatwouldbeamuchbetteroption.
Isupporttheearlyharvestinordertopressaheadwithplantingamoreattractiveandmoreappropriatetreescape.Theexistingplantingismonochromaticandfailstoreflectthebeautyofthelocalmountains
Yes,theforestshouldbeharvestedassoonaspossible.
Pleaseharvestearly
Basedonthepresentedinformationitisveryclearthatallowingthetreestogrowbiggerandspreadagreaternumberofinvasivewildingsaroundthesurroundingareaisentirelyunacceptablerelativetowhatcanonlybedescribedasnegligibleifanyfinancialupside.
Thisisanobrainer,toharvestthetreesnowissimplybetterfortheBasin'sfuture.
Bestregards,
ThomasRichwhite
Pleaseharvestearlytoreducewildingrisk
iwouldsubmitthatqldc/codcshouldharvestearly.myreasonsare.
1]thecostofmanagingthewildingspreadisunderstatedandmoredifficultthannotified.repeatedlysprayingtheareaaroundarrow-townwillonlygetmoredifficultwithtimeandthereisnoothercosteffectivemethodofcontrol.
2]theautumncolorsbehindarrow-townwillnolongerexistwiththeseedrainfromtheforestandhandcontrol[asyoucannotselectivelyspraytothataccuracy]iscostprohibitive.
3]therewillbeavisualimpactwhenevertheforestisremovedsowhynotdoearlybeforeevenmorepeoplelivehereandobject
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4]theareabehindtheforestisintheQE2covenantandassuchisprotectedbutisbeingoverwhelmedbyseedrainfromasourcebeyondtheircontrol
5]ifsubstantialmoneyforwildingcontrolisnotcommittedthenthecouncilsandothersinvestmentincontroltodateiswasted
6]inallotheraresinthedistricttheseedsourceisbeingtargetedweshouldleadbyexampleandbeagoodneighbour
Getitdonesoonerratherthanlater,andsaveussomecash.
Harvestthisplantationassoonaspossible.Thewildingpineproblemishorrendousandneedstobedealtwithurgently.
Derek&JillRothwell
Idobelievethatthetreesshouldbeharvestedbecauseotherwiseallthehardworkputintocontrollingthetreesoverthepast20yearswillbetotallywasted.
ThisareawasnotcoveredwithConiferswhenitwassettled,whenpeoplecametoseethepristinemountains,soletsseeitgobacktothat.
Toleavethetreestherewouldmeanthatwhentheyseed,millionsmoretreeswillstartgrowing.Weneedourfarmland,pristinebeautyandecosystemtostaythewayitis,andnottoloseit.
Thankyou.
Ithinkharvestingearlyisaneffectiveoption.Replantwithnative,orlessinvasiveplants.
Havethetreesremoved.WehaveasignificantWildingproblemandshouldn'tbecontributingtoit.
Definitelytheyshouldbeharvestedasearlyaspossible.Didyouranalysisonkeepingtheforesttomaturityincludelosttourismincome?GoandcountthenumberoftouristsphotographingthehillsideatArrowtownatthemoment.Thereare100'sperday.Idoubttheywillbetherewhenthehillsideiscoveredinwildingconifers.Onelessattraction.
TRemoveconifersareforestwithnonwildingspecies
Ithinkharvestingthetreesnowisagreatidea.Thecostofcontrollingwildingsfromtheseedscan'tcomparewiththecostofkeepingthemtomaturity.Volunteersaregettingdisheartenbygoingyearafteryeartocontrolthewildings,onlytoseethemgettingawayfastingthanwecancontrolthem.WearenotAspenpleasecanpeoplestopcomparingustoAspen.WewillneverlooklikeAspen,weare
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NewZealandwiththebeautifulgoldentussocksandourownspecialflora.
harvestEarlyandavoidseeddispersalofwildingdouglasfir
Thosetreesmustgo,thesoonerthebetter.Thetreesareathreattoourtussocklandandthewildlifethatdependonit.Iflefttheefforttocontainthemwilleitherbehugelycostlyorwillfailandthatwillchangetheentireregionecologyforever.
IthinkitwouldbeagreatideatoharvestearlyandgoaheadwithplanstoreplantwithnativetreestoNzwithWakatipuReforestationTrust.Thisapositivewaytocreatejobsforpeoplelivinghereandasthiswouldtakeyearsafterharvetandtobeablereplantetc.itsbesttogetamoveon!!!!!!!.welovenativetrees,beesandbirds.Please
Ann,(mywife)andIbothfeelweshouldharvestCoronetForestearlierratherthanlater.
Forallthereasonsyouhaveoutlinedforconsiderationofcuttingearly,especiallythefactthatthereiscurrentlyasmallpremiumforDouglasFirwesupportanearlyharvest.
Thankyou...
Coronetforestshouldbeharvestedearlybecausethedamageofthespreadingwildingpinesbeyondtheforestishugeandgrowingataveryfastpace.
Harvestearly,ifnotimmediately.Leavingtreeswillensurethatwildingproblemtreesareneverbeaten.DifferencebetweendoingandnotdoingisnegligiblerelativetothecosttoWakatipupotentialfortourismbenefit.Reforestationinnativebeechandacceptableexoticswillprovideagreaterbenefittotheregionasatourismdestination.
ThetotalsituationissocomplexinvolvingGovernment.RegionalandLocalCouncilsandcompetinginterestsallwiththeirownviewsitisdoubtfulthatanyproposalwillgetwidesupport!!Leavingthecounciltomakethedecisionandcarrytheblameandthepublictocarrytheunknownfinalcosts??Onanisolatedbasisiwouldsupporttheearlyharvestratherthananymorewidespreadspraying.Therehastobeapolicyofattractivereplacementwithfarlessrelianceonnativeplantingwhichhasveryfewcoloursandwhichareinabundanceinthemanyprotectedareasthroughoutthenation.
Supportbasedontheresearchprovidedinthescuttlebutt.Thesavingsandenvironmentalimpactmakelogicalsense.
QLDCshould(continueto)taketheleadinthefightagainstwildingpines.
Thecostbenefitanalysis,whilemarginallyinfavourofearlyharvesting,onlytakesthepositionsofar.Whilethereareanumberofvariablesintheanalysis(e.g.pricevolatility),thecrucialfactisthat"Thebiggerthetreesget,themoreseedstheywillproduce".Thelikelyimpactofthoseseedscanbeassessed,butmusttosomeextentremainamatterofspeculation.Theirspreadiswinddependent,whichitselfisinherently
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tosomeextentremainamatterofspeculation.Theirspreadiswinddependent,whichitselfisinherentlyvolatile.Therefore,inevitably,delayinharvestwillincreasetherisksofspreadofseedlingsandthecostsofpostharvestcleanup.
Ivoteforearlyharvest.
essentialtocutdownearlytoreduceamountofseedlingsandwildingpines
TheCoronetForestshouldbeharvestedearlyandre-plantedinnativespecies.
Iamsurethattheprofitswouldbefargreateriftheforestwaslefttomature.Yeswildingcontrolisnecessaryintheareaswedonotwishtreestospreadto.ButtheDouglasfirisabeautifultreeinit'sownrightandiflefttomatureveryprofitableasthetimbercanbeusedformanypurposes.ThatiswhytheForestwasplantedinthefirstplace.IfindyourarticalintheScuttlebutslantedandfailtoseehowhavestingvaluabletreesatMaturitycanhavenegativereturns.Pleaseseekmoreexpertadvicebeforemakingyourdecision.
Harvestassoonaspossible.UsetheentireeconomicgaintorectifythespreadingDoiglasFirthisplantationhascaused.
IfCoronetForestislefttogrowtomaturity,thecostofwildingcontrolrelatedtothisseedsourcewillbe$2.9millionbetweennowandharvest.
Idobelievethisisanobvioussolutiontoanoutdatedplantogrowthetreestomaturity.Surelythecouncilcanseethisandmakeplansaccordingly,ratherthantheconfusionofpublicvoice??
Ibelievetheearlyharvestisanexcellentmoveinpreventingthecontinualdegradationofsub-alpinehabitatinthelakesdistrictviawildingconiferdispersal.Ithereforeagreewholeheartedlywiththeearlyharvestofthisplot.
Itisagoodideatoconsiderthisnow.ItisarguablyinconsistenttofundaWildingPineprogrammeandhavethisforest.InprinciplewewouldsupportthisinitiativeSomequestionsarise.Theseinclude:Whowouldharvestthisforestandhow?Whatistheprogrammeandbudget?Whatisisthereplantingprogramme?Isthereanyroleforcentralgovernment-includingfunding-giventhenationalsignificanceoftheareaWewillthinkfurtheraboutthisThankyouJayCassells
Leavethemtomaturity,itisshortsightedtobethisfardowntheroadtomaturityconsideringthevalueoftimberanddemandthatwillbeinthedistrictin25yearswiththedistrictgrowthrateanticipated,Tomitigate
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atleastsomeofthewildingproblemanearlyharvestcouldbedoneontheverytoppartwhichwouldslowthespread
Inviewofthewildingpotentialofthisforestryblock,andthepossibilityoflowerfinancialreturnsinthefuture,Iwouldfavourearlyharvest.IhavespentagreatdealoftimeremovingwildingsinCentralOtagoandNorthernSouthland,haveseenthedisastrousspreadofpinesplantedininappropriateareas,andcanforeseetheproblemonlygettingworse.Cutthemnow.
IwouldalsourgebothCouncilstoreplanttheareainnativetreespecies.WedesperatelyneedmoretreestoabsorbCO2:andnativeswouldbethewaytogointhisarea.Iftheincreaseintourismpredicted(andevenencouraged)forQueenstowncomestopass,everyoneofthemshouldpayforatreetocounteracttheircarbonemissions.Newplantingspaidforattheairport?
Iwouldalsoliketocommentonthecommercialuseofwildings.Whileagreatideaintheory,andceretainlytobeencouragedwherefeasibleinareaswherewildingsarethickontheground(e.g.theRoaringMeg),IcannotseeanycommercialenterpriseeverremovingwildingDouglasFirfromtheheadofDoolansCreek,ortheSouthWyeintheRemarkables.Commercialuseofwildingswillonlyworkwherethereisvehicleaccess,andcheaplabour.
IagreewiththeproposaltoharvesttheCoronetForest.ThisisbasedontheassumptionthattheforestremainsintheownershipofQLDCandisre-zonedasrecreationalorotherwisesuchthatdevelopmentcannotoccurontheland.Onceharvesthasbeencompleted,theareashouldbere-plantedinnativestoallowtheprogressionofnativeforest.
Isupporttheearlyharvestasameansofcontrollingthespreadofwildingpines.
MyviewisthattheDouglasFirsinCoronetForestshouldberemovedassoonaspossible.
WhenthisforestwasplantedthecertainriskofwildingspreadwasidentifiedbyBarryLawrenceandothers,howeverCouncilchosetoignorethisadvise.
Formtheevidencesubmittedhereanycaseforcontinuingtomaturityisneutralfromcurrentinformation.Anypossiblegainfromgoingtomaturityappearstobepredicatedonunknownorunforeseendevelopmentsoccurring,harvestcostcouldjustalsoincreaseandlogpricesdecrease.Thecostsofwildingcontrolwillonlyincreaseandexperienceinthedistrictshowsthattheproblemisalwayslarger,morecomplexandmoreexpensivetosolvethaninitialestimates.
Replantinginnativespecies,beechandassociatedspecies,willbeaveryworthwhileproject.Thiswillallowskillsandtechniquestobedevelopedinlargescalenativere-forestationthatcanbeappliedtotherestoftheCoronetface,BenLomondandQueenstownHill.AlongtermprojectmustbetoremovethecurrentstandsofwildingpotentialconifersintheWakatipuandandreplacethemwithsustainable,selfmanagingspecies.Thenativespeciesthatevolvedwithinourenvironmentandlandscapehavetobethebestoptionforthis.
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forthis.
Itisanabsolutenobrainer.Harvesttheforestasap!Asaneighbourtotheforest(ButelPark-Arrowtown),IamcontinuallyappalledbythehugenumbersofseedlingsinvadingtheButelParkecologicalplantingreserves,grassedareas,privategardensandthelargerBushCreekreservearea.TheNZOwildingpineseedlingsareeverywhere!!!!Theyareinepidemicproportionsintheroughnativegroundareassurroundingourproperty.QuitefranklyIamappalledbytheheavilyslantedfiscalapproachbyQLDCintheconsultationdocument.QueenstownLakesDistrictisfamousbecauseofthenaturalenvironmentnotcommercialforests.Tobefedthefinancialdiatribeasanexcusetocontinuethisecologicaldisasterisquitefranklyanappallinglackofgovernancebythepresentcouncilandexecutive.WakeupgetoffyoubacksidetakeawalkupBushCreekandseetheecologicaldisasterunfoldingbeforeyoureyes.WillQLDCpayfortheeradicationoftheButelParkownersecologicalreserveareas,becauseyouractivitycontinuestofoulprivatelandbyanunworthycommercialactivitywhichisbannedunderyourownDistrictPlan.Getthechainsawsbuzzingwithoutdelay!!!.
MypropertybelowtheforestryhasselfseededDouglasFir.Whichhadbeencleanoutafewtimesovertheearlieryearsbuttheykeepcomingback,Especiallyontheslopeswherethesheepandcattledon'tgraze.Otherthanafewwillows,myblockwastotallyclearoftreesin2005.Thenumberandsizeoftreesthathavegrownontheblocksince2005hasbeenprolificandIcanseetheywillbeabigproblemforthedistrictinthecomingyears.
Iaminfavorofcuttingtheforestryearlyandreplantingwithlocalnativetreevarietiesinsmallclustersalongwithnativegrasses.Iwouldalsoliketoseetheuseoftheblockopeneduptomoreoutdooractives.Withthetreesgonetheviewfromtheroadacrossthevalleyisspectacular.Iwouldliketoseemorehorse,mountainbike,mountainboardtrailsestablishedetcandopenitupformoregeneraluseoncethefireriskhasgone.
TheParaglider/HangGlidertrainingcouldbereestablishedtousetheoldtakeoffsitesfromtheridge.
keepthetrees
donotgiveintoeco-idiocy
youwillhavelargemesstolookat
andabiggermesstocleanup
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andwastenobletreesandtimber
remembertheHalfDomefiasco
Tobegin,IamconcernedbythemisleadinginformationreportedintheODT,thatBrianaPringlegave.Shesaidthat(asreported)'Thebiggerthetreesget,themoreseedstheywillproduce'.Inthecircumstances,thisisuntrueasfarasIknow.Thesetreeshavereachedmaximumcrownsize,itiscrownsizethatdeterminesseedyield,thusseedproductionwillremainaboutconstant.Thisisnotthefirsttimeshehasmisledthepublic;in2011or2012atameetinginAlexandrasherepliedinresponsetoaquestionthatPinuscontortatreetrunkswouldnotstoreincreasingamountsofcarbonastheygrewandaged.Thatisablatantuntruth.
IwouldliketoknowtheextentofwildlingDouglasfirsattributabletotheCoronetforest.Mostseedwillbespreadtotheeastinnorth-westerlywinds.Thereisasignificantwidthofintensivelyfarmedlandtotheeastbeforeonereachednon-intensivelyfarmedcountry,andD.firseedlingswouldnotbesuccessfulonintensivelyfarmedland.Itwouldbeusefultohavethefactsonwildlingestablishmentattributabletothisforest,laidonthetable.
Writingfromaforestryperspective,IhaveitongoodauthoritythatthisstandofD.firisperhapsthefinestinNewZealandandisgrowingfasterthatanyother,Itwouldbeapitytofellitbeforeitstime.
Sincerely,BrianSwale,B.Sc.(NZ)MA(MasterofForestry)Oxford(UK)
IsupporttheremovalofthedouglasfirplantationknownasCoronetForest.Itisafesteringseedsource,contaminatinglargegrasslandareaswithwildingtrees.Alsoitisadarkunattractiveblockonthelandscape.Thisshouldbepartofanongoingandmajorefforttoreducetheexplosivegrowthofwildingsespeciallyinthesouthisland.
Isupportanearlyharvesttoremovethewildingconiferseedsource.
harvesttoforestNOW.
ThesetreesshouldbeharvestedearlyandassoonasPractical.MyreasonsforthisviewpointisthatthisPlantationoftreesiscastingseedalloverthefronthighcountry,andalsothebackhighcountry.SeedsfromthesetreesarelikelycontributinginabigwaytothesevereWildingPineinfestationinboththefronthillcountry,andthebackhighcountryland.Thisinfestationisnow
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WildingPineinfestationinboththefronthillcountry,andthebackhighcountryland.Thisinfestationisnowoutofcontrol,andiscostinglandownersbothinreducedproductionfromtheland,aswellasdirectcoststotryandcontrol[unsuccessfully]thespreadoftheWildingPines.TheWakatipuareaprosperityisnowdirectlylinkedtothebeautifulnaturalenvironment,includingmountainsidesclothedonlyinnativeshrubspecies,ortussockland,orgrassland,orexoticdeciduoustrees[famedfortheirAutumncolour].Alloftheseenvironmentsarebeing,willbe,rapidlydestroyedbytheveryfastgrowingWildingPinustrees.ThecostsofcontrolmeasurestotheTerritorialAuthoritiestogetridoftheWildingPines,aresuchthatitisabsurd,andunethical,ltoontheotherhandmaintainaPlantationwhichissuchathreattoModernWakatipu.PleaseharvestwhatyoucanfromthePlantation,andassoonaspractical,therewillbesomeoneoffincometobegainedfortheCouncilsconcerned.Thelandunderthetreeswillneedtobereturnedtosomewhattheoriginalstate.Maybesomeofthegulliescouldbere-plantedinnativeBeech?.Whoactuallyownsthisland?canitbeturnedintoareserve?orreturnedtoadjoininglandowners?ortoKaiTahu?
Chopthetreesdown!Youdon'tfattenpossumstogetmorefur,whyleavethesepesttreestogetmorewood!!!!
Yes,absolutelyharvestthemASAP.Itisacompletejuxtapositionandacompletelyhypocriticalsituationtobecontributingtothewildingpineproblemwhilstatthesametimeprovidingresourcestowardscontrolofthesepestplants.DevilsCreek,SawpitGullyandotherbeautifulspotsareindangerofbeinglosttotheseplants,andovertheridgefromcoronetforestisthesameIamsure.Getridoftheforestasap.
HiIwouldlovetoseethetreematuretofullmaturityformaximumtimberharvestKindregardsDaniela
Thisplantationshouldberemovedassoonaspossible.Itistotallyinappropriatefortheregionandisaverydamagingseedsourceforwildingconifers,ascanbeseenonthebeginningoftheSawPitGullywalk.PlantingBeechtreesintheirplaceorleavingitinopentussock-landwouldbeagoodsolution.
TheconiferplantationonCoronetPeakshouldberemovedassoonaspracticable.Visuallytheyareaneyesoreandareaverydamagingseedsourceforwildingconifers.Theirearliestpossibleremovalshouldbeacouncilpriority.
Ibelievethisforestshouldbeharvestedassoonaspossible
Mythoughtisthatitisaverybadideato"harvest"thesetreesearly.IfactIwouldoppose"harvesting"thematall.
Apartfromtheflawedreasoningabout"wildingpines"inthefirstplace,wemustbeoneoftheonlycountriesintheworld,inatimeofobviousglobalwarming,tobepurposelykillingperfectlyhealthytrees.
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intheworld,inatimeofobviousglobalwarming,tobepurposelykillingperfectlyhealthytrees.
ThisCouncilreallyneedstore-thinkitsideasabout"native"and"non-native",asthereisnosuchthing,justasthereisnosuchthingasa"wildingpine".Itisallpurelyanaestheticconstructwithoutanyfoundation.Andifyouadmitthatthewholetopicisoneofaesthetics(wethink"natives"arebetterthanthe"non-natives"),thennobody,noteventhemostrampanttree-destroyercouldprefertheaestheticsofthetombstonetreestumpsontheCoronetPeakRd,orthehectaresofpoisonedbrownghostlytree-corpsesaboveQueenstown,ArthursPointorontheSkippersRdtowhatwastherebefore.
Ihaveyettomeetavisitorwhohasn'tvoicedhorrorattheuglinessofthisdestruction.
Inanycase,inthewarmestAprilinthewarmestAutumninthewarmestyear,itisnownolongeraquestionofaesthetics,butoneofsurvival.Weneedtoplantandmaintainasmanyphotosynthesisingtreesaspossible,notkillhealthytreeswithpoisonorchainsaws.
Thisforestisapoorlymaintainedforestandamassivecontributortothewildingecologicaldisaster-thecouncil,ascustodiansforthefutureofour'Outstandingnaturallandscape"mustdoallthatispossible-cuttingdowntheforestandaidinglandownerstoeradicatethepeststrees,NOWaslattermaybetoolate-justhavealookatCrownPeakandSawpitgully.
Getridofthemnow.Thecostofmaintainingthemarelikelytobegreaterthananyprojectedreturn.
Thatcouncil'scommentsonthisareslantedsostronglytowardsearlyharvestingthatadecisionhasalreadybeenmade.IfthatisthecaseIwillbeseekingcompensationbecausepriortospendinginexcessof$1MtopurchasepropertyonMalaghansRoadin2006weapproachedcouncilandwereshownmapsoftheforestandassuredharvestingwasaminimum20yearsaway.
AlthoughQueenstownhasgrownapaceinthe18yearsIhavelivedhere,itwouldappearthatthosechargedwithit'scarestillsufferfromthesamesmalltownmentalitythatallowedAucklandAirportashareinoursforafractionofitstrueworth.Millionslosttotheareathatwewillneverrecover.Andherewegoagain,theshortsightedlookingtomakeaquickbuck,taketheeasywayoutinsteadofaddressingtheissueofwildingpines,thecostofwhichwassurelyfactoredintorunningcostswhentheforestwasplanted.Andwhythesuddenneedforfastmoney?Wouldthatbetofundthatothermonumenttoacertainperson'sego,theconventioncentre.
Andifthismismanagementofanotherofthetownsassestsdoesgoahead,howthrilledtheprospectivemultitudesofofChinesevisitorswillbetoseeabattlescarred,uglyhillsidethelikesofwhichtheycouldhaveviewedathome.InanareaofsuchoutstandingbeautyIwouldhaveimaginedthewisewouldbelookingatwaystopreservetheinvestmentwhileputtingoffthedayabeautifulhillsideisdesecrated.Mostdays,IseepeopleonMalaghansRoad,outofcars,camerasinhand,snappingawayNotmuchworthsnappingformanyyearstocomeifthisinsanitygoesahead.
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Harvestearlytopreventfurtherspreadingandpotentiallysavemoneyratherthanspendmoretryingtopreventspreading.
Theforestshouldbecutdownandreplantedwithnatives.Itmakesasignificantcontributiontothewildingpinecatastropheenvelopingourregion.Ifanyonedisagreeswiththispositiontheyshouldgoforawalkupsawpitvalleyandseethedamagethatisbeingcaused.Thefirstdollarwespendinconnectionwithcontrollingwildingpinesistoremovethisplantation.
Harvestearlyastheproblemwillonlydeterioratefurtherastheamountofseedproducedwillonlyincreaseasthetreesmature.Ifleftthenaturalbeautyoftheareawillbeadverselyeffected.
Goforit.Proceedwithanearlyharvestandreusethelandforsomethingbetterforthecommunity.
TheQueenElizabethIINationalTrust(theTrust)isanindependentcharityestablishedalmostfortyyearsagounderitsownActtofacilitatetheprotectionandenhancementofnaturalandculturalheritageonprivateandleaseholdlandforthebenefitofpresentandfuturegenerationsofNewZealanders.TheprincipalmeansbywhichtheTrustachievesthisobjectiveisthroughestablishingopenspacecovenantswithindividuallandholdersoverlandorbodiesofwatertoensureprotectioninperpetuityofnaturalorlandscapefeaturesofaesthetic,cultural,recreational,scenic,scientificorsocialvalue.Covenantagreementsrunwithlandtitleandarelegallybindingonpresentandfutureownersandoccupiersoftheland.Withtheintroductionofthe‘NewZealandBiodiversityStrategy’in2000andthe‘NationalPrioritiesforProtectingRareandThreatenedNativeBiodiversityonPrivateLand’in2007,theTrusthasputahighpriorityonsecuringcovenantsthatprotectindigenousvegetationand/orhabitatsthatmeetoneofthesefournationalpriorities.OpenspacecovenantsarecomplimentarytoCouncils’obligationsundertheResourceManagementAct1991topromotetheprotectionofnaturalandphysicalresources;andtosafeguardthelife-supportingcapacityofair,water,soil,andecosystems;andprovideforthefollowingmattersofnationalimportance:•thepreservationofthenaturalcharacterofthecoastalenvironment(includingthecoastalmarinearea),wetlands,andlakesandriversandtheirmargins,andtheprotectionofthemfrominappropriatesubdivision,use,anddevelopment:•theprotectionofoutstandingnaturalfeaturesandlandscapesfrominappropriatesubdivision,use,anddevelopment:•theprotectionofareasofsignificantindigenousvegetationandsignificanthabitatsofindigenousfauna:•themaintenanceandenhancementofpublicaccesstoandalongthecoastalmarinearea,lakes,andrivers:•therelationshipofMaoriandtheircultureandtraditionswiththeirancestrallands,water,sites,waahitapu,andothertaonga:•theprotectionofhistoricheritagefrominappropriatesubdivision,use,anddevelopment:•theprotectionofprotectedcustomaryrights.
InMarch2015fouropenspacecovenantswereregisteredwithSohoPropertyLimited(SPL)protectingmore
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InMarch2015fouropenspacecovenantswereregisteredwithSohoPropertyLimited(SPL)protectingmorethan53,000hectaresoficoniclandacrossMotatapu,MountSoho,CoronetPeakandGlencoeStations.Theentireprotectedarealieswithinyourcouncil’sareaofjurisdiction.Thecovenantedareahasbeenpermanentlyretiredfromgrazingandisnowbeingmanagedforitsnatural,biodiversity,cultural,catchment,landscape,recreationandamenityvalues.Thecovenantsrepresentasignificantassettothecommunityandthenation.ThepurposeandobjectivesoftheMahuWhenuacovenantsareto:•managethecovenantedlandasakohanga(anurseryareaforthesurroundingdistrict)•protectandenhancetheindigenousbiodiversityandopenspacevalues•encouragetherestorationofindigenousplantsandanimalsincludinganythreatenedspeciesoriginallyfromthisarea•protectthecovenantarea,itsaestheticnaturallandscapesandfeatureswhicharenationallandmarksandwhichcontributetoNewZealanders’senseofplace.SPLenteredintothesecovenantsvoluntarilyforphilanthropicandaltruisticreasons.ThesecovenantswerenotaconditionofpurchasestipulatedbytheOverseasInvestmentOffice(OIO).SPLhasalreadyputahugeinvestmentintotheecologicalrestorationofthesefourstationsandtheestablishmentofhuts,tracksandotherfacilities.Wildingconifersrepresentamajorthreattothekeypurposesandobjectivesofthecovenants.ThepurchaseofCoronetPeakbySPLcamewithanOverseasInvestmentOfficerequirementthatalmost$1millionbespentonwildingtreecontrol.Inexcessof,$1,400,000hasbeenspentwithadditionalexpenditureonGlencoe,MountSohoandMotatapuStations.Atthetimeofpurchase,wildingDouglasfir,sycamore,lodgepolepineandlarchwerespreadingacrossthelandscape,especiallyintoareasprotectedforconservation.WildingtreecontrolisakeycomponentofanambitiousgoalbySPLtorestorethecountrytowardspristineconditionsothatnativefaunaandfloracanflourish.ControlofDouglasfirisparticularlychallengingbecauseofthisspeciesabilitytoestablishwithinbeechforestremnantsandmatureshrublands.Treecontrolintheseareasofhighbiodiversityistechnicallychallengingandexpensive.TheTrustisworkinginpartnershipwithSPLtomaximiseconservationoutcomesontheMahuWhenuaCovenants.Inrecognitionoftheirimportance,theTrusthascommittedsubstantialresourcesintheformofextensivephotopointmonitoring,preparationofmanagementplans,designofsignageandinterpretation,coordinatingvoluntarytreecontrol,supportingawildlifereleaseprogramme,raisingtheprofileoftheareaanditsconservationchallengesandfacilitatingaresearchpartnershipbetweenUniversityofOtago,theTrustandSPL.MonitoringhasestablishedthatSPLaremakingsignificantinroadsintowildingconifersonthefourproperties;however,onCoronetPeakandGlencoeStationsprogressiscompromisedbycontinualspreadoftreesfromexternalsources,themostseriousofwhichisCoronetForest.SeedfromthisplantationcontinuallyinfestsnearbyBushCreek,theCoronetFaces,thelowerArrow,andtheeasternfacesoftheCrownRangegivingtheworkdonebySPL,WGCandvolunteersanairoffutility.SeedlingsalmostcertainlysourcedfromtheCoronetForestareestablishingoveramuchlargerareaatreduceddensities.EarlyRemovaloftheforestwouldallowforreorientationofresourcesbySPLanditspartnersawayfromconstantlyreinfestedareasintomoreperipherallocationsbeforenewseedsourcesestablish.Accountingforreallocationofresourcesintonewareasandtheassociatedfuturecostsavings,greatlyimprovesthe
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forreallocationofresourcesintonewareasandtheassociatedfuturecostsavings,greatlyimprovesthecost/benefitratiosoutlinedinbackgroundinformationprovidedbyyourcouncil.TheTrustcommendsQLDConyourinitiativetoconsultonremovaloftheCoronetForest.Earlyharvestandsubsequentcontrolistherightthingtodofrombiodiversity,landscape,soilandwaterandeconomicperspectives.TheTrustsupportsyourcouncil’sintenttoinvestigaterestorationoftheareafollowingremovalandsubsequentcontrolofregrowth.SPLhavesimilarambitionsforareaswithintheMahuWhenuaCovenants.
Chopthemdown,andwhileyouareatitgetridofthetreesthatstretchfromSkylinetoGorgeRd,everynowandagainonefallsdown,thecrashingnoiseisquitescarey.Thebenefitofleavingthetreestobecomemorematureandpossibilityofmoremoneyforfirewoodisoutweighedbyspreadofseedlings.Iconstantlyoofoutsmalltreesfrommyproperty,Ididnotplantthemorwishtosharemyspacewiththem.Nativesareabetteroption,IhavemyownlittleforestatHuffStandhaveaskedQLDCtomakeitareserve,declined.Thetuisandbellbirdsshouldbeconsideredandgetridofthepossums.
IaminfavourofanearlyharvestofCoronetForest
Yesitshouldbeharvestednow.Besideseliminatingtheseedsource,itreducesthechancesofwhingingneighbourstostopithappening
Ithinkanearlyharvestisagoodidea.Theearliertheareaisclearedthelesscosttherewillbeallaround.Leavingclearingtolatermaynotbecosteffectiveduetoincreasedcostsofharvestingandwagesetc.
Icannotunderstandthecouncilallowingthesetreestocontinueseeding.Theyarea'treeweed'destroyingthebiodiversityofthelandscape.Ononehandwearespendingratepayersmoneytodestroythesetress-whyarewethenmaintainingaseedingbaseforthem?Millimmediatelyregardlessoftheincometheyproduce.I'msureallratepayersunderstand.
RegardsDavidBroomfield
Ibelievetheyshouldbeharvestedearlybecauseofthewildingpineproblems.WehaverecentlybeenwalkingSawpitGullyagainafteraspaceofafewyearsandhavebeenhorrifiedatthespreadofpinesinthatgloriousareabehindArrowtown.OurhomealsooverlooksTobinsTrackandoverthelastfewyearshaveseentheworryingincreaseinpinesherewhichischangingourautumncoloursquitevisiblywithmoregreeningeachyearasthesepinesgrowquicklyandarealreadyspreadingfromthissource.
LetsdotherightthingnowbeforeitistotallytoolateandwewillliveinaareathatlooksmorelikeScandinaviathanNewZealand.
IstronglyencourageQLDCtoharvestCoronetForestattheearliestopportunity.Wildingconifersarewellknownasaplagueonourlandscapesandasasignificantenvironmentalproblem.ItisgreatthatQLDChasbeenhelpingtofundwildingcontroloverrecentyears.ItiscontradictoryandcounterproductiveforQLDCtobesimultaneouslycontrollingandcontributingtothewildingproblem.
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Onapurelyeconomicbasisretainingthetreestomaturityisamarginalinvestment,howeverconcernsandplaincommonsensesignificantlyoutweigheconomicconsiderations.
Harvestthemnow!
Hi.Iwantthetreestobekeptgrowingupuntiltheirproperharvesttime.Erectwindclotharoundthedownwindboundariesoftheforeststodecreaseseedscatter.Thewildingproblemiswhereintelligentactionneedstobetaken.Usingaerialmapslookatthewholesurroundingarea.Dividethelandareasintoactionareas&developaplanencouraginghumansteamstomattockouttheseedlings,cutthebiggerwildingsforhomefirewood&ChristmastreesatChristmastime.Schoolfundraisingteamscouldbepaidthegoingrate&sellthewoodetc.Sameforgoodworksclubs&gymclubpromotions.Anon-goingsourceoflabouralsocouldbefolkneedingtoundertakerestoretry(sp?)communityservice.Anotheroptioncouldbevolunteers,whoaccordingtophysicalcontribution,couldearnsomesharesintheforestthatwouldbemonetisedatharvestoftheforest.MajorbenefitsforCentralOtagoare:CardronaForestplanisallowedtoachieveit'soriginalobjectives,capture&sellcarbondioxidetobenefitalllocalcitizens&contributeworldwide.Themoreoften&moreinvestedlocalcitizensareintheirownarea,themorecare&pridedevelops.Physicaleffortpromotesgoodfeelings,betterhealth&well-being.Councilusesratesmoneytoprovidefairlypassiveentertainment,promoting&organisingactivepeopleparticipationwillbethemodernwaytogo.Alreadythewillisthere.Thedegreeofvolunteerismforthelocalracingevents,Warbirdsevents,schoolactivitiesbacksthisuphugely!Cheers,Lorna
Giventhestatisticsprovided,aswellasmyfirsthandexperienceofbikeridingandwalkingaroundtheCoronetPeak/Arrowtownarea,IwouldagreewiththeWCGandsayIthinkitisagoodideatoharvestearly.ThewildingspreadonCoronetandbehindArrowtownisinplagueproportions.Itseemscounterintuitivetocontinuetofightthespreadofwildingseachyearwithoutfirstcontrollingthesource.Re-plantingofnativespecieswouldhavelongtermenvironmentalandeconomicbenefits,especiallyinourhighlytourismbasedlocaleconomy.
SubmissionfromBasilWalker
DouglasfiroririshpineasweamusinglycalloregonhasfallenfromfavourasabuildingmaterialItwaspreviouslypopularbecauseithadqualitiesofremainingstraightbuthassteadilybecomeanonpreferredtimber.TheuseofnailgunsinconstructionhasspedthedeclinebecauseOregonhastendencyfornailsshootingawayfromtheintendeddirection.TheconstructionindustryisnowcloudedbyHEALTHandSAFETYrequirementsandmistakeswithnailsareno
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TheconstructionindustryisnowcloudedbyHEALTHandSAFETYrequirementsandmistakeswithnailsarenolongerACCissuesbutH&Swithhugerepercussionsfortheunfortunatepersoninvolved.thetimberisstillokforbarnsandnonwetsituationsbutnotasvaluablearesourceaswhenplanted.
IsupporttheWildingPinesprayingprocessandunderstandthecostofspraying.
IsincerelybelieveNovember5thwouldbeappropriatetoBURNtheFORESTatminimalcost
BasilWalkerQueenstown
IhavewalkedtheSawpitGullyTrackcircuitsince1980andtakenpartinWildingPineeradicationaroundGermanHill.IthasbeenwithgreatconcernthatoverthelasttenyearsIhavenoticedthespreadofWildingDouglasFirs&PinesintheBushCreekbasinandhalfwayuptheslopesofBrowPeak,plusnotfarfromthetopofGermanHill.ItisquiteclearthatsomeoftheseedlingswhichhavegrowntoyoungtreeshaveoriginatedfromCoronetForest.Iftheforestistoremainforanother15yearsormore,thereisnodoubtthatfurtherspreadofWildingswilltakeplaceintheareasmentioned.Therewillbegreatexpenseforthelandownertocontroltheexistingwildingtrees,aswellasongoingworkingbeesofvolunteersforyearsaftertheCoronetForesthasbeencutdown.ThefinancialgainforCouncilbyextendingthelifeoftheforest,isnotworththefinancialdrainforlandownerstofightwildingtreeremovalontheirproperties.Itwillalsohaveadetrimentalaffectonexpansionofnativeplants,inparticularMountain&RedBeech.Theongoingwildingtreeissuehasbeenaconcernofmineformanyyears.Ithereforewanttoseetheforestharvestedearly.ThankyouHansArnestedtTrustee-WakatipuReforestationTrust
Itshouldbeharvestednoworwithinthenextcoupleofyears,theaestheticdamageitscausingfaroutweighsanymonetaryvaluethetimberwouldproduceandasmentionedevenifyoudowaitforthemtobeharvestedatmaturitytheycouldbewipedoutatanytimebyfireorstorm.Italsogivesanylandownerswhoarereluctanttoremovethesetreesavalidreasonnotto.Youmustalsotakeintoaccountanearlyharvestwouldgivethatmuchmoretimeforthenativeplantingstoestablishthemselvesandstartcolonisingthearea.
Ifthemoneysideisroughlyevenforbothoutcomesthensurelytheaestheticandconservationvaluesofharvestingearlywin.
Thanks
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Ilookforwardtoawildingfreewakatipubasin
Thisforestshouldbeharvestedassoonaspossibletostopwildingspread.
thisisanexcellentideatohaveanearlyharvestofCoronetForest,thesoonerthebetter
IamagainsttheearlyharvestoftheCoronetForest.Thehorsehaswellandtrulyboltedonwildingpinespreadwiththewithdrawaloflivestockgrazingtheupperslopesofthisarea,aswasthecaseinearliertimes.Therewillneverinmyopinionbeenoughresourcestocombatthisandsoweshouldacceptthatchangeisinevitableonthisissueandstopwastingmoneysprayingsmallareasaslimitedresourcesbecomeavailableandleavetheeyesoreofacresofdeadtreeswhichwillbeverycombustibleoncedry.Inhindsightplantingtheforestwasprobablynotsuchagreatidea,butweofthiseraneedtoleavetheforestmatureandtrustthatatthattimeitcanbeharvestedforprofit.
Harvestitearlytolimitecologicaldamagefromwildingtrees.
HarvestearlysothatthespreadofthewildingpinescanbemitigatedotherwiseArrowtownisindangeroflosingitsautumncolourstothealreadyspreadingwildingpines.IfthecostofcontrollingtheWildingPinesisgoingtooutstripthefundsfromthesaleofthematureplantationthenclearlyitalsomakessenseeconomicallytoharvestthepinesearly.
Excellentidea.IcanseethespreadofwildingtreesuptheslopesofBrowPeakoriginatingfromthatforestfrommyhome.Ahighprioritytoavoidmuchhighercostsforcontrollater
WildingpinesarespreadingrapidlyresultinginadeteriorationofthenaturallandscapeofhillssurroundingtheWakatipubasin.
Thisspreadmustbecontained,andarealeffortmadetoremovethosewildingsalreadyestablished.GiventheCoronetForestisaprovensourceofseed,theresultantspreadofwhichiseasilyvisibleonthehillsidesbeyondtheForest,itislogicaltoremovethem.
Cost/Benefitisobviouslyconsidered,butwhatpricedoweputonpreservingourlandscape....evenifalossondirectfinancialreturnsresultsthenon-directbenefitsarehuge.Byreplanting,asproposed,with'autumncolour'specieswecanenhancethearea.Alsowewillgetachancetoremovethosewildingsalreadymakinginroadstotheexistingautumncolourareas.
Harvesttheforestnowforthefuturegenerationsof,andvisitorsto,theCentralOtagoarea.
NotesAsemailedtoBrianaearlier:We'vehadtheoddqueryaboutprogressregardingthefutureofthatforestduringVincentCommunityBoardmeetingshereinAlex,butnothingconcretehasbeenforthcoming.IrecallattendingameetingwithPhilMelhoptandGraemeBellatQLDCanumberofyearsagowhenharvestandseedlingcontrolwasbeingdiscussed-we'rereallynotmuchfurtherahead.
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ItwouldbegoodtokeepusintheloopgiventhatCODCisapartowner,andmypersonalviewisthatharvestandtreereplacementwithmorebenignspecies(nativeorotherwise)shouldbeapriorityforthenearfuture.Yestheremightbeachanceofreturninghighertimberpricesinthenextdecade,buttheycouldalsodropassurplustimberfromothercountriesentersthemarket.Andtheincrementalgainintimberbiomassduringthatextendedperiodwouldbenegligiblecomparedtothatgainedfrominceptionofplantinguntilnow.Thepotentialcostofseedlingcontrolasoutlinedonthewebsiteinfoisprettyscarybycomparison,anditdoesn'tendwhenthetreesareremoved,soinmyminditisano-brainertoconsiderearlyharvestandanacceptablere-plantingprogram.
IguessyoualsoneedtokeepinmindtherecentamendmenttotheQLDCDPintermsofacceptabletree/shrubspeciesotherwisewildingtreesmaysimplybereplacedwithLarix,SorbusorCotoneasterorahostofotherweedyplants.Brierisbadenough,butmostlandownerscanlivewithandmanageit.ClearlyweneedORCon-sidewiththeserecommendationsaswell,buttheirPMSandLTPhasbeenprettydevoidoflateralthinkingontheseissuesuntilnow,despiteplentyofsubmissionstothecontrary.
Anyway,justsomethoughts.Barrie
Itmakessensetoharvestthosewildingpinesearlyastheyspreadseedsinourenvironment.
TheWakatipuRidingClubhasrecentlyrenewedourfiveyearlicensewithQLDC/CODCtousethetrackuptheCoronetForestryforhorseriding.ThisistheonlydedicatedhorsetrailintheentireWakatipuBasin,wherehorsesandridersarenotatriskfrommotorists,truckers,cyclistsand/ormotorcyclists.Itiswellusedandmuchappreciatedbyourlargecommunityofhorseriders.
Thatsaid,weappreciatetheneedtocontrolthewildingconifersituation,andunderstandthattheforestpresentsalargesourceofwildingseedlings.Afterreviewingtheestimatedcosts/benefitspreparedbyQLDC,thereisnodifferencewhenusingthe"conservativemodel"betweenharvestingearlyorwaitinguntilmaturity.And,the"optimisticmodel"presentsonlyarelativelysmallgainwhenharvestingearly,comparedtothelossesthatwouldeventuateusingthe"conservativemodel".Thus,wedon'tbelievethatthereisasignificantargumentforeitherdecisionbasedstrictlyonthedollars.
IwouldliketoproposethattheQLDClookatharvestinginabout4-5years.Thiswouldnothavemuchimpactonthecosts/benefitscomparedtoharvestingearlyorwaitinguntilmaturity,butwouldgivetheRidingClubtheremainderofourtermtousetheforest.Inaddition,theRidingClubandtheShotoverCountryBridleClubarehopingtoestablishadedicatedequestrianareainwhichtorideoverthenextseveralyears.IfQLDCweretowaitfor4-5years,thenthereisagoodchancethatwewillhavesomewhereelsetoridebythetimetheforestgetsharvested.Lastly,IwouldlikeexpressourdesiretoworkwithQLDCtoallowhorseridinginthenewlyplantedforest,wheneverthatshouldoccur.Thankyou.
Shouldbedoneassoonaspossible
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3arboristshaveadvisedusthisforestismakingthefastestrecordedgrowthrateofDouglasfirintheworld.Itisnowabountifulseedsourcewhichwillestablishitselfrapidlyoverwhelmingtheremainingnativeforestinitsvicinity[BushCreek,-upperArrowreaches,andgulliesonCoronetPk]andinvadingtheopentussocklandstoLakeWanakaandCardrona.
ThefailuretoremovethisseedsourcewillresultinahugeblowoutofcoststocontrolanexplosionofwildingDouglasfircreep-
Anylossofrevenuefromearlyharvestingishugelyexceededbytheeventualcontrolmeasureswhichwillresultfromleavingthisseedsource.
Hi,I'mkeenonsupportingearlyharvestingoftheCoronetforesttopreventfurtherspreadofwildingpines.Thisforestliestothesouthwestofasignificantlandscape.Givenourprevailingwindscomefromthewestthereispotentialforspreadofwildingpinesrightthroughthelandscapebeyondtheforest-ifitisnotalreadyoccurring.Harvestingthisforestearlywillassistinslowinganyfuturespreadofthewildingpinesandhelpinretainingournaturallandscapevaluesforfuturegenerations.
Thismakescompletefinancialandethicalsense.Thecostofwildingpinesishuge-financiallyandtotheenvironment.Nowisthetimetopreventfurtherspreadingoftheseseedsthroughearkyharvestbeforemirelandandnativespeciesarefurthercompromised.Let'snotbegreedybutseethesituationfirwhatitreallyis-landbeingtakenoveranddestroyedforthefinancialgainofafew.
MynameisCliveMannersWood.IhavelivedattheoldBenLomondHomestead,pasttheCoronetPeakturnoff,for38years.MywifeShaneandIhaveanunderstandingofkeepingourlandfreeofweedsandinvasiveplants.TheCoronetForestasacommercialventureisworthless.Whenconsideringtheharvestwouldinvolveheavymachineryscouringasteephill,whichwouldletthetopsoilbeingwasheddowninaheavyrainfall.Openingthesoilwouldcreateagiantseedbed.Broom,morewildingpineswouldcreateanotherecologicaldisaster.
Simplysprayit.Therussetcolouristhebestsolution.
TheWakatipuReforestationTrustwouldliketoseetheCoronetForestharvestedasearlyaspossible.
Thiswillpreventthecontinuedsupplyofseedwhichiscausingamajorproblembothfromabiodiversityandnaturalhabitatperspectivebutalsoeconomicallyinthecostofremovingwildingconifers.
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THEWCGexec’sopenlettertoQLDCcouncillorsretheArrowtownForest.Weofferninefactorsfortheimmediateremovaloftheforest.1.Thewildingspread.WCGreceivesconstantremindersthatSawPitgulleyandthedownwindareabeyondtheforestisinundatedwithsmalltomediumsizedwildings.Informedcommunitypeopleknowtheproblemwhilepeopledrivingpastonlyseetheforest.2.Thecostfactor.AftersevenyearsofinvestingincontrolworkWCGknowsthattheareaoftreesalwaysextendsbeyondtheoriginalcostedarea.Groundcrewsandhelicopterpilotsconstantlyreportmoretreesbeyondtheplannedcontrolspots.3.Therequiredrepeatcontrols..Iftheforestislefttomature,sayanother15plusyearsespeciallyforthetreesatthetopoftheforestwhichwillmaturelater,thecontrolareaswillrequiresprayingatleasttwiceandanothertwotimesaftertheforest’sremovale.gresidualseedsittinginthegroundandthengerminating.4.Themathfactor.WhilecontrolcostsofD-firaresometimeslimitedtoathreekmspreadtherealityisthatlightwindblownseedfromtheforestisspreadingwellbeyondestimatedboundaries.5.TheArrowtownembankment.ForestseedrainsontotheArrowtownembankment.Greenconifersarealreadyoutgrowingtheautumncolouredtrees.AVAisdeeplyconcernedattheconiferinflux.6.Moralfactor.AsguardianofWakatipu’sONLCouncilcanhardlyrecommendaby-lawbanningtheplantingofwildingspecieswhileatthesametimeowningthelargestforestoftreeswithwindblownpotential.Tourismislandscapedependant,losetheuniquevistasandaWakatipudrawcardwillbelost7.TheNZwideawarenessfactor.National,Regional,Councilsandcommunitiesaretakingactiononwildings.WildingcontrolispredictedtobeintheBudget,ORCisfundingandpromotingwildingcontrol.QLDCwiselybudgetswildingwork.Ourcommunitiyrecognisestheproblem.Nowisthetimetodecide.8.TheNZWildingConiferStrategyreinforcesthe“goodneighbour“policy.Landownersitstates‘’failtoberesponsibleneighbours’’whenseedblowsontotheneighboursland.9.Thescorchedlandfactor.Everytimelandissprayedthewoodynativespeciesdie.Thelandbehindtheforestwillrequirefoursprayingsonlystuntedtussockandbrowntopwillsurvive.Nowisthetimetodecide
Notoearlyharvest.
Moretimeneededtolookatthisplanandthereplanting.
Couldthisnotbedoneinstageswithfellingandreplantingdifferentareasoverafewyearsasthedisturbancetotheareaandthevisualimpactwillbehorrendousifitisdoneinonego.
Itwilltakeyearsfortheplacetoregenerateandaveryvisiblepartofthemountainwillbeleftscarred.
Wildingconifersaretheprobablysinglemostseriousenvironmentalthreatinthedistrict.Theforestshouldbeharvestassoonaspossibletostopanyfurtherseedproductionandspreadofwildingconifers.Thefinancialandenvironmentalcosts(ongoingneedforherbicideuse)arefartoohightobeacceptable.
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acceptable.TheQLDCpromotestheremovalofwildingtreespeciesandmustleadbyexample,ifitwantstobetakenserious.
Kindregards
Itseemsprudenttoreapadecentcommercialreturnfromthisinvestment,butalsoreducetheseedsourceforwildingDouglasFirs.
Ido,however,encourageathoroughlythoughtoutapproachtothewildingissueratherthana"quicklet'sgetridofallconifers"approach.
IwouldnotliketobeinthesituationwhereQLDChastheopportunitytopurchase"StickyForest"inWanakaasavaluablerecreationalasset,onlytobestymiedbecauseCouncil"doesn'tdopinetrees".
Foodforthought.
CheersRachelBrown
FirstlythisistostatethatIamamemberoftheWCGExecutive.Howeverthissubmissionisinmyownnameandcoversadditionalargumentsfortheremovaloftheforest.
1.TheWCGaswellascarryingoutfundedremovalofWildingpinesisspendingveryconsiderabletimepersuadingLandownerstofinanciallyhelpwiththeremovalofWildings.ThiscoversWildingspeciesusedasshelterbelts,smallplantations,featureplantedtreesandwinddispersedtrees.SomelandownerssuchasRealJourneysLtd(WalterPeak),CloseburnandSohoPropertiesaremakingverylargeandcommendableeffortsatquiteconsiderablecosttothemselves.ItthereforebecomesverydishearteningifCouncilarenotfellingtheforestfortheirpartandthismaycausesomeLandownetstoeffectivelysay"whyuswhenCouncilareallowingaprimeseedsourcetoremain?"
2.ItisapparentthatwithaconcertedeffortthebattleagainstWildingPinescanbewonandtheWCGstrategyisbasedaroundthis.Howeverthebattleisverytimedependantandifwearenotontopoftheprobleminthenexttenyearsthebattlecouldwellbeirretrievablylost.Allowingtheforesttogettofullmaturitybeforeharveststartstogooutsidethiswindowandcouldbeasignificantfactorinallowingthebattletobelost.LosingthebattleintheWakatipuareawillhaveramificationsforthewholeofCenttalOtagoandtheMcKenziecountry.
ThereforefortheseadditionalreasonstotheWCGsubmissionIurgeCounciltoaccepttheurgencyofthe
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problemandremovetheforestassoonaspracticable.
DickHubbard
TheDepartmentofConservationrecommendsthattheCoronetForestisharvestedearlyinrecognitionoftheconsiderablethreatposedtothedistrictbywildingtrees,andtheroletheforestplaysasasignificantwildingseedsource.
Nationally,thedepartmentmaintainsahighlevelofpriorityandfundingforwildingcontrol,andhasastrongcommitmenttoeradicatingwildingsonpublicconservationlands.Locally,thebattletocontrolthespreadofwildingsintheWhakatipu-wai-MāoriDistricthasbeengoingonforover40years.
TheDepartmentisanactivepartneroftheWakatipuWildingConiferControlGroup(WCG),anddeliverstheimplementationofallWCGwildingcontroloperations.
TheDepartmentbelievesthekeyreasonsforearlyharvestare:
•ThethreattoindigenousecosystemsposedbytheCoronetForest.ThisthreatisrecognisedinthebackgroundinformationprovidedbyQLDCandwouldbeanongoingissueiftheDouglasfirwereallowedtofurthermature.•Thebenefittothebiodiversityofthedistrictbyreductionofthewildingthreat.Revegetationwithappropriatespecieswillincreasehabitat,andencouragenativefloraandfauna.•AreductionintheworkprogrammeoftheWCG.Removalofwildingseedsourcesiscrucialforsuccessinthebattleagainstwildingtrees;ifseedsourcesarenotremovedtheWCGremainsincontrolmodeandwillnevertrulymakeprogress.•TheopportunityforQLDCtoleadbyexampleandmakeasignificantcontributiontoreducingthewildingproblem.•ProtectionoflandscapevaluesinthedistrictensuringtheiconicInlandOtagobackdropisstillpresentforfuturegenerations.
GiventhesignificantinvestmentbytheDepartmentincontrolofwildingpinecontrolworkovermanyyearswestronglyurgetheCounciltoremovethissignificantseedsource.LeavingtheCoronetForesttomaturewouldresultinongoingenvironmentalandfinancialcostswhichcanbeavoidedbyearlyclearance.
Coronetforesthastobeharvestedasearlyaspossible.Itisabsolutemadnessthatthecouncilisgrowingtheseinvasivepestswhilstalsopayingannuallyforthemtobecontrolledelsewhereinthedistrict.IcannotseeanyvalidityintheargumenttokeepthemtheyHAVEtoberemovedassoonaspossible.
Veryhardtomakeacallonwhattherightthingtodois.IhavespenddayscuttingwildingpinesandI'mamemberoftheWRC.
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ThecostoftheWildingPineControlandthedamagedonesuggestswecuttheforrestdownasap.
Itshouldhaveneverbeenplantedinthefirstplaceandonedoesn'tfeelthattheassestwasmanagedright.However,theforestalsogivesWRCmemberstheonlyplaceintheValleytoexercisetheirhorsesawayfromtrafficorbikers.Population/TrafficgrowthseesHorseRidersstrugglingwhenitcomestosafeplacestoride,especiallywhenbringingonayoungorlessroadsafehorse.
Wecaterforallsortofsports-ratepayersmoneygoesintosportfields,centresetc.QLDCmostrecentmessageisthattheydiscouragetheuseoftracksbyhorseriders.
Inaperfectworldwefindasimilartrackinthedistrictandafterthe5years(untilreplanting)wegettheopportunityagaintoridehorsesupthistrack.
Overallwecansharetrackswithwalkersandevenwithbikersonsometracksthataresuitable&safetobeshared.Weareonlyaskingforoneplacewecanbesafewithkidsoryounghorses.Wearestillaruralcommunity.Itispartofwhoweareandwhywelivehere.
Thanksfortheopportunitytosendthoughtsthrough.Best,Iris
DearSir(s)
FollowingismysubmissiontotheQLDCregardingtimeofharvestforthe173hectareCoronetDouglas-firplantation.Unfortunately,whetherduetosomeobfuscationinattemptingtogetdatafromCouncil’sproperty/infrastructuresection,the2015DennysGuildvaluationdidnotgettomeviaemailuntillateyesterday.Rightondeadlineformetogetthisreportunderway.ThereforeIhadtorelyonmyownresearchtogetfactsandfiguresonthehistoryofestablishmentandcostsofmanagementthroughoutthe32yearsofgrowth.IhadcontactedCouncil’sforesteron17/5/16withrequestsforinfo.AlthoughBrianaPringlewashelpfulshewasunabletogetherhandsontheGuildConsultancyvaluationreportuntilnow.Withsome40yearsofforestryexperience,muchofitdealingwithwildingconifersintheWakatipuarea,CllrSimonStamers-SmithbelievedIwasqualifiedenoughtoputinasubmission.
BEFORETHEQUEENSTOWNLAKESDISTRICTCOUNCILCOMESTOADECISIONONWHETHERTHECORONETPEAKPLANTATIONSHOULDBEHARVESTEDBEFOREMATURITY,ITSHOULDTAKEINTOACCOUNTANUMBEROFRELEVANTFACTORS..
BASICALLYTHESEARECOSTS:COSTSOFESTABLISHMENT,groundpreparation,cuttinglinesthroughscrub,spraying,trackingintoarea,seedlingpurchase,
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seedlingpurchase,plantingandblanking(replacingdyingseedlings).AccordingtotheGuildvaluation,establishmentcostswere“notrelevant”inthisexercise.Whynot?OncontactingDennyshethoughtearliestplantingcostswerecoveredbythethenGovernment’sForestryGrantScheme,butnowheredoesitspecificallysaysointhereport.ThusIfiguredIshouldseeksomefactsfromorganisationsinvolved(LeithfieldNurseries,Wyndham,MikeSmithsilvicultureDiptonandSteveJohnsonForestry).Seedlingcosts$150p/1000forfirstsites1984-90,(Leithfield)to$250laterplantings.Johnsonaverageditoutto$0.23c/seedlinggivingatotal$70,847.50.Labourcostsforplantingtotalling$283,390forwholearea.Stockingratevariedfrom1600to2000stemsperhectareaveraging1667SPH.Groundpreparationfiguresnotavailable.Total...........................................................................$354,237(tothenearestdollar)
TREATMENTCOSTS:ThinningseriesCarriedoutbySteveJohnson’ssilviculturecrew.Priceestimate(similartoGuildvaluationbutwithaddedaccommodationcosts)firstthinningto700-800SPH$1323p/haestimated(Guildreport$1272)..Reducedover170hato$950.Total...$161,550Secondthinningon43ha@1156/ha....Total$49,708.On127ha.........@$1323p/ha.................................._$168,021....................................................................................................................................................................Total$329,571IftheGovernmentGrantSchemeexcludesestablishmentThetotalcostsofarwouldbe$354.237plusoverheads/management
Ratesare$25,000p/a.To32yearsthistotals$800,000,butisincludedasQLDCreservethusnotrelevant.
ROADING:Beforeanyharvestisconsideredafullyformedroadneedsconstructingtotakefullyladen44tonneloggingtruckandtrailerunits,firstacrosspaddocktoentrancethentoskidsitesorlandings.Theseneedtobeconstructedtospecificationsonflatareas.Noteasyonsteepslopes.TheGuildreportestimatesroughly2kilometresonaccessfromMalaghanRduptoruralresidentialhousingadjacenttotheforest.HavinghadsomeexperienceworkingforCrownForestryResourceManagementinHerbertForestIdecidedtocontactlocalroadingcontractorTrevorJonesHeestimates$30,000forthe400approxmetresfromAlanReidroadheadtotheforestgatewhichmatchesGuild’sestimateofaround$80,000p/k.Includingskidsitesetupwithintheforestthetotalcostscouldexceed$200,000.
LOGGINGCOSTS:
Toclearfellimmaturestemsaloggingcontractorwouldupthepriceasthepreferenceisforlargediametermaturetreeswithgoodvolume.Mostqualifiedcontractorsarepaidontonnage,orvolume.Asthelaterplantingsareunderhalfsizeacontractormayoptforanhourly/dailyratewhichcanbeexpensive.DennysGuildsuggestsamechanisedhauleroperation(Iwouldsuggestincombinationwithgroundbasedcrew)whichmeanstransportingheavyequipmenttosite.Ahaulercrewusesatowerskylinesystemwithacarriagegrappleoperatedfromthecabofthehaulereliminatingriskofmanualbreakingout.Itwouldideally
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carriagegrappleoperatedfromthecabofthehaulereliminatingriskofmanualbreakingout.Itwouldideallysetupalongthetopofridgemovingalongastheforestiscleared.Adiggerwithgrappleclearswoodfromtheshutewhileanothermachinewithaharvester(processor)headelectronicallysortsthelogsintogradesonstacks.Thegroundbasedcrewinthemeantimeworktheeasierslopes,possiblywithafellerbunchertraxcavatorincombinationwithagrappleskidder.Abigfactoristhedistancethesecontractorsneedtotransporttheirequipment.Thenearestcrewsofthissizeoperateonlargeforestryblocksmostlyalongtheeastandsouthernareasofbothprovinces.Thiscanbiteintonetreturns.
MARKETING:Thisisanotherfactortobeconsidered.SomeoftheearlierplantingscouldmakeAgradewoodforthedomesticmarket(sawmills)ifharvestednow.Priceshavebeenreasonablygoodandappeartobesteadymonthbymonth.ExportpricesarehighbutcartagetoBluff,over200kwillcutintoreturns.Tapanui(Stewartsmill)ismarginallynearer.SoisFindlatersatTussockCreek.OtheroptionsaretheWintonmillsorLuggate.SkipJohnsonofLuggateisoperatingthemillparttimebutwillbuyinDouglas-firwhenavailable.Muchofthesmallendlogwouldbedowngradedevenifthereisdemandforsmalldiameterlogs.Itwouldbereliantonatwharfgate(AWG)exportpricesareoffered.Atleastpulpgradesareupto$100p/JasM3Theproblemwithtimberisthatitsacommodityproductandvariesfrommonthtomonth.OnejobIwasinvolvedwithinNorthOtago,wegotacrewontoawoodlotoflowvolumeunthinnedorprunedradiatawhenpriceswereonariseforpulpgrades.twomonthslaterthepricesdroppedbutwehadtoletthecontractorcontinueontheblockmuchtothedismayoftheforestowner.Historicallypricestendtotrackupwardinthelongrun.Andtreeshaveagoodshelflife,tobeharvestedwhenthereisanupswing
VALUATION2015GUILDREPORT$945,666:Thisispresumedlyonstumpage(standingtrees).Withoutoverheads/managementcostsof$16,151,butincludinglistedcostsasaboveandunknowncostssuchascontractorsandcartagecoststhenetreturnsfromthisforestwould,inmyopinionhardlymakeitintoasixfigureprofit
Thepressureappearstobecomingfromwildingconifercontrolgroups.FrommyownexperiencewithwildingtreeinvasionmuchoftheoutlierspreadingintotheHarrisMountainsbackcountryhascomefromanumberofsources.ParticularlyDouglas-fir.OldmatureseedtreesaboundintheShotover,LongGully,theBillieCreeksettlementuptheArrowRiverandmanyareaswithintheWakatipubasin.Shelterbelts,smallwoodlots,aswellasplantationsoverontheWanakaside.TheCoronetforest(asobservedbyGuild)isinastablewindareawiththeonlyoutlierregenerationIhadobservedwasovertheridgeintoBushCreek.Goatshadmadeagoodjobofgrazingonthesmalltrees.ManyyearsbackIhadshotdeerandgoatsabovethebushline,butnotlongagoupBrowPeakInoticedverylittlespreadontheridges.Containmentadvocatedbycorporateforestersandrunholdersisstockgrazing(sheep)ontheboundaries,fertilisedpasture(LedgardexScionResearch),regularspotsprayingandcuttingorpullingoutseedlings.Costofcontrolshouldbeallocatedfromnetreturns,whichwouldbeworthmuchmorewhentreesmature.
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Costofcontrolshouldbeallocatedfromnetreturns,whichwouldbeworthmuchmorewhentreesmature.Therecouldbeanextra$500,000innetreturnswithin12years.
THUSONTHISBASISIWOULDRECOMMENDTHEFORESTBELEFTTOGROWTOMATURITY,ASDISCUSSEDWITHOTHERPROFESSIONALFORESTERS.Thefirstplantingsandthelastcouldbedealtinoneloggingoperationasthelaterplantingswillhaveputonconsiderablegrowthin15-20years.Orharvestedinthreelots,1984-86,1987-90,1991-96plantingsat5and10yearintervalsformaximumreturns.PARTICULARLYWHENPRICESAREHIGH
JimChilderstoneForestServices(semiretired)
1.Seekingforestryfeedbackfromthepublic,whohavebeendeniedthebenefitofthefacts,isdisingenuousatbest,andoutrightdishonestatworst.Here'swhy.QLDChaveheidtheirdiscussionsinsecret,citing"commercialsensitivity"whichalltooofteniscodefor"Let'skeepthepublicoutofdiscussionsthatwe,theelectedofficials,deemisinappropriateforthepublictobeinvolvedwith."Becauseofyourexclusionofthepublic,youcanonlyaskforanuninfonnedview.Thatisunfairtoallratepayers.2.ByadvertisinginboththeODTandlocalnewsoutletspromotingthedestrnctionofforestforthedubiousbenefitofthealternatives(scrappycoverofanassortedmixofnonnativesthatcannotabsorbexcesswaterrunoff,norpreventerosion,norworkasacarbonsink)isablatantexerciseinCouncilpropaganda,whichhasbeenfundedbyratepayers.Thisiswrong.Youhavesoughttosteer(viafundingprovidedtotheconifercontrolcrowd)thepublicintovourpreferredpositionby12romotingyour12artisanobjectives,withoutfirstinvitingadiscourseforacontraryview.(Iattach-aspartofthissubmission-anadvertisingsheetwhichyouhavepaidforviaratepayermonies-whichdepictsa"before"and"after"viewforwildingpines.Thepinesareshowninphoto-shoppedgrey(notgreen)asbeingunpleasant,whilsttheadjacentvistaisdeemedtobeattractive.Itisanemotiveadvertdesignedtoobfuscate,ratherthanclarify.Inoneword.Propaganda.3.Thereportsthatyouhavecommissioned-someover100pages-havebeenanacademicexercisethatisverylongonlength,andshortonrelevance.Theaverageratepayerhaslittletimetoread,letalonedigest,thesestomesofstatisticaldetritusandopinionatedinterpretation.1suspectthatmostcouncilorswillhaveconfinedtheirreadtotheconclusionpage.ToreadalltheQLDCreportsreceivedinanyollt.monthwouldrequirea24hoursadayread,whichishumanlyimpossible.Inthatrespecttheyhavemysympathy.ThesereportsareafurtherwasteofratepayermoniesandfallshortinsomekeyareasThequestionoferosionisnotcovered,theeffects_ofanother1999floodonlandscapesisnotcovered(notethehillsideaboveFranktonroadcausedclosureforoveraweek,housesweredemolished,andpineswereplantedabovetheBPstationaspartofahillstabilizationprogram.Theconifercrowdhassincehadthemremoved.),thefirehazardofleavingdeadtreesinplaceisnotcovered,andthecost/benefitratioofharvestversusmaturityishopelesslyflawed.4.Everyyearthatthesetreesmature,theynowbegintop;e:raddwoodvolumeexponentially,andinso
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4.Everyyearthatthesetreesmature,theynowbegintop;e:raddwoodvolumeexponentially,andinsodoingaddconsiderablevaluetotheirfutureharvest.Youcannotknowwhattheharvestvaluewillbein20yearstime.Noonecan,andcertainlynotthe"experts"thatyouhavecommissionedtoadviseyouthus.Didthesesameexpe1ispredictthedairypricecollapse?Theriseintourism?TheunexpectedreturnofexpatKiwis?No,theydidnot.Sowhatmakesyouthinkthattheycanpredictwoodprices20yearsfromnow.Theycannot!5.Youtalkofreplacingtreeswithamixofdeciduousnonnatives.Why?Forthe'feelgood'factor?Theymightlookprettyinautumn(unliketheonesdestroyedabovetheroaringmegpowerstationwhicharenowanenvironmentaleyesore),buttheywillnotfulfillyourKyotosinkrequirementunderthepre1990plantings.Foronething,theirvolumeisinadequate.Eitherway,thelawrequiresyoutoreplant,withinarelativelyshortspaceoftime,acarbonsavingequivalent.6.DouglasFirs(akaOregon)seedsourcesdoindeedspread.Youmighthavenoticedthatpinusradiatahaveasignificantlylowerspreadrate,andatamuchloweraltitudethanOregon.ThisoughttobeaspeciestoconsiderwheneventuallyreplacingtheOregon.Othercompellingreasonsinclude:a)PinusradiataisasustainableresourcecropwithamuchshorterrotationthanOregon,andisinhighdemandasaframingtimber.b)Ithelpsdeepenoureconomicbasewithanontouristrelatedfundingsource.c)Hillsideerosioniscontained.d)Nutrientrunoffintolakesandriversiscontained.(ThinkeutrophicationofLakeHayes.)e)IfyouremovetheOregontreescurrentlyinplaceyouwillneedtospraynewseedlingsforyearstocome1whichisaquiteunnecessaryadditionalcostburdenontheratepayer.f)Yourspraycostsonwildingpinespreadpreventionisalsoinaccuratebecauseyouhavenotsplitoutcostsamongstotherseedsources.Notably,thataroundtheskylineareaabovetown,andalsoanadjacentCoronetplantation.Thiswouldhavetheeffectoffavoringtheretentionofthecurrentplantation.Iamcompletelyopposedtoaselfappointedanticonifercontrolcrowdhijackingthedistrictsfloraandfaunasimplybecausetheydon'tlikeevergreentrees.Thereisastrongargumentforacontraryview,whichisnotbeingpresented,becauseCouncilhasbeencapturedbyanoveractiveminoritygroupofconiferpolicewhowanttobrovmthedistrict.
MyadvicetotheCouncilistocontinuetoholdtheresourcetillnearertheplantationsmaturity.Atthattimeyoucanchooseamarketmaximum.Treeshavetheadvantagethattheirharvestcanbepostponed(whilstaddingvalueviavolumegrowth)shouldthemarketbeunfavorableataparticulartime.Asanownerofatreeplantation.IbelieveIhavemoreexperiencethanyouracademicconsultantsonthesematters.Andthatprobablyincludescouncilorsaswell.Thisdistrictcouldbenefitfromawidereconomicbase,andgreenconiferswilldeliverthatwhilstsimultaneouslycontributingtoourKyotoobligations,andtherecentParisaccordonclimatechange.TheyarealsogoodforNewZealand's'cleangreen'image.Inthisrespect,isCouncilabelieveringreencarbonsinks,ordotheyonlypaylipservicetoourobligations?Submitter:MichaelRamsay
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Pleasefindbelowmysubmission:
SubmissionagainstProposedEarlyHarvestofCoronetForest
IopposetheearlyharvestofCoronetForestbecausethecurrentproposalhasanumberofsignificantflawsandissuesthatneedtobeproperlyconsideredbeforeanydecisionismade.Thekeyissuesare:
1.LossonHarvest
•Nodetailsofthefinancialmodelhavebeenreleased.•Theconservativemodelpredictsalossof$1.2m.•Asacouncil,surelysuchendeavoursshouldalwaysusetheconservativemodel.•Howwillthelossbefunded?•Wouldthismoneynotbebetterspentonwildingcontrol?
2.ValueofLogs
•Mentionismadethatlogpricesarecurrentlyhigh,however,pricesarecyclicalandifpricesareatapeaknowitisclearfromhistoricaldatathattheywillbeloweroverthenext3-5years,beforerisingagain.•Treestypicallydoubletheirvolumeinthelast5-10yearsbeforeharvest.•Treesgaintheirvalueinthelast10-15yearswhentheybecomesuitablefortimber.•Toharvestearlywearethereforelosingbothopportunities?•Moreinformationisrequiredontheproposeduseforimmaturetreesbuttheconclusionthattheyieldatimmaturity(withlowertonnageandlowervalue)wouldbecomparablewiththeyieldatmaturityseemstocontradictfinancialreality.
3.ReplantingPlans
•Norealdetailshavebeenproposedonfellingorre-plantingprogrammes.Athree-yearwaitingperiodis,however,proposedduringwhichitisassumedtheclearedoneswillbesprayedanddead.•Commercialforeststypicallyre-plantwithin1year.•Replantingoptionsshouldconsideralternativeplantationforeststhatdon'tpromotewildingspreadsuchaspinusradiataormacrocarpa.•Replantingoptionsneedtoconsideramixtureoffasterandslowergrowingspecies.•Nomentionismadeofhowthehillsidewouldbeclearedorslashdisposed?
4.RecreationalUse
•Noplansarepresentedforrecreationalusesoftheexistingornewforest.
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5.HarvestTechnologyandSafety
•Harvestingforestsisstillaverydangerousactivity.TheCouncil,asOwner,willberesponsible.Nodetailsareprovidedonhowthisriskandresultingliabilityofcouncilofficers,andcouncillors(?)willbemitigated.•NewerharvestingtechnologyisslowlybeingintroducedinNewZealandafterwidespreaduseoverseas.DelayingtheharvestwillreduceHealth&Safetyrisksandgiveopportunityformoreefficientharvestingtechnologynotcurrentlyavailable.
6.CarbonCredits
•NodetailsareprovidedofwhethertheCouncilhasjoinedtheNZETScarboncreditsandhowtheCouncilhaveusedanyNZU'sorthevalueattributedtothem.•Nodetailsareprovidedonthefinancialimpactofthe20%post1990forest.
7.WildingControl
•Partialfellingandreplacementoffringetreesisnotdiscussedasanoptiontoreducewildingtreeseventhoughithasbeenproventohavesomeeffect.•Wildingcontrolcostsrelatedtothisforestaresurelyimpossibletoassessandtheestimateof$2.9mcostforjustthisforestcomparedwithacurrenttotalspendforthewholedistrictof$1.2mishardtocorrelate.•Re-stockingofsurroundingareas,andre-establishmentofgoatpopulationswouldhaveaminimalcost,buthighimpactonwildingcontrol.Noconsiderationwouldappeartobegiventothisorotheralternativewildingcontrolmeasures.
8.TourismImpact
•Noconsiderationhasbeengiventotheimpactontheregion'slifeblood-tourism.•Reducedrecreationalopportunities:mountain-bikinghorseridingparapentinghanggliding•Impactsonviews:viewsfromCoronetPeakandCoronetPeakRoadviewfromMalaghansRoadbeingmaintourismrouteformanyofthehundredsofthousandsoftouriststhatvisiteachyear.viewfromaircraftlandingattheairportviewfromtheCrownRange.•Heaviertrafficcreatedonmaintouristroute
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•Heaviertrafficcreatedonmaintouristroute•Negativeimpacton"clean,green"image.
9.TrafficImpact
•Nostudyoftrafficimpactshasbeenpresentedasthelogtransportrouteisassumedtoinclude:MalaghansRoadHunterRoadorLowerShotoverRoadShotoverBridgeKawarauBridgeSH6towardsFiveRivers(mainroutetoMilford)•SurelyanyharvestshouldbedelayeduntilthenewKawarauBridgeiscompletedaslogsareassumedtobetransportedtoBluff.•PotentialrisktocycliststhatuseMalaghansRoad,HunterRoadandthemaincycletrailfromArrowtowntoQueenstownthatwillcrosstheroute.•PotentialriskstoresidentscommutingfromArrowtowntoQueenstown-verybusyroad.•Highrisktotouristtraffic-inexperienceddriversconflictingwithlargetruckswithlimitedvisibility.
10.ManagementPlanandConsultation
•NomanagementplanisavailableonCouncilwebsiteorwhenacallwasmadetoCounciloffices.•NoapparentupdateofplanpriortoDecember2012asrequiredbyDistrictPlan.•HasformalconsultationcommencedasrequiredbytheDistrictPlan?
Regards,PeterSoundy
PeakProjectsInternationalLtd
Weofferninefactorsfortheimmediateremovaloftheforest.1.Thewildingspread.WCGreceivesconstantremindersthatSawPitgulleyandthedownwindareabeyondtheforestisinundatedwithsmalltomediumsizedwildings.Informedcommunitypeopleknowtheproblemwhilepeopledrivingpastonlyseetheforest.
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2.Thecostfactor.AftersevenyearsofinvestingincontrolworkWCGknowsthattheareaoftreesalwaysextendsbeyondtheoriginalcostedarea.Groundcrewsandhelicopterpilotsconstantlyreportmoretreesbeyondtheplannedcontrolspots.3.Therequiredrepeatcontrols..Iftheforestislefttomature,sayanother15plusyearsespeciallyforthetreesatthetopoftheforestwhichwillmaturelater,thecontrolareaswillrequiresprayingatleasttwiceandanothertwotimesaftertheforest’sremovale.gresidualseedsittinginthegroundandthengerminating.4.Themathfactor.WhilecontrolcostsofD-firaresometimeslimitedtoathreekmspreadtherealityisthatlightwindblownseedfromtheforestisspreadingwellbeyondestimatedboundaries.5.TheArrowtownembankment.ForestseedrainsontotheArrowtownembankment.Greenconifersarealreadyoutgrowingtheautumncolouredtrees.AVAisdeeplyconcernedattheconiferinflux.6.Moralfactor.AsguardianofWakatipu’sONLCouncilcanhardlyrecommendaby-lawbanningtheplantingofwildingspecieswhileatthesametimeowningthelargestforestoftreeswithwindblownpotential.Tourismislandscapedependant,losetheuniquevistasandaWakatipudrawcardwillbelost7.TheNZwideawarenessfactor.National,Regional,Councilsandcommunitiesaretakingactiononwildings.WildingcontrolispredictedtobeintheBudget,ORCisfundingandpromotingwildingcontrol.QLDCwiselybudgetswildingwork.Ourcommunitiyrecognisestheproblem.Nowisthetimetodecide.8.TheNZWildingConiferStrategyreinforcesthe“goodneighbour“policy.Landownersitstates‘’failtoberesponsibleneighbours’’whenseedblowsontotheneighboursland.9.Thescorchedlandfactor.Everytimelandissprayedthewoodynativespeciesdie.Thelandbehindtheforestwillrequirefoursprayingsonlystuntedtussockandbrowntopwillsurvive.
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