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Template for comments and secretariat observations Date: 27/03/2006 Document: ISO DIS 17078-2 1 2 (3) 4 5 (6) (7) MB 1 Clause No./ Subclause No./ Annex (e.g. 3.1) Paragraph/ Figure/Tab le/Note (e.g. Table 1) Type of com- ment 2 Comment (justification for change) by the MB Proposed change by the MB Secretariat observations on each comment submitted BR 4.2 te Variable P TRO expressed in “kPag” unit According to the item 3.2.1 of the ISO 31-0 no measure condition (std, gauge etc) is allowed to be expressed together with its respective unit. We suggest using “gauge kPa”. Also, since “kPa” involves large numbers, we suggest using “MPa” for a better unit representation. Accepted in principal, changed to “gauge kPa” in all places where appropriate BR 4.2 te Variable q expressed in “m 3 /hr”. We suggest using “m 3 /h” Accepted BR 7.4.8.1.2 item a) ed Marked item We suggest unmarking the item Accepted (SC to implement) BR Annex B Item B3 te This item could be improved if information about what may be considered H 2 S and CO 2 high and low levels are provided. We suggest providing a table informing the high and low H 2 S and CO 2 percentage levels. Not accepted, the task group believes that material acceptance is covered by the referencing of ISO 15156, all parts. This class is not applicable to C02 service. BR Annex B several ed The word annex is beginning with low case letter We suggest beginning Annex with uppercase letter Noted, Format is defined by the CS BR Annex H H.4.3 te “… device is less than 5,66 SCMD (200 SCFD) …”. Confusing and incoherent measure usage. We suggest using “std m 3 /d”. As per item 3.2.1 of the ISO 31-0, the measure standard condition should be written in separate. Accepted in principle, text revised BR Annex H H.10.1 te “… degrees Kelvin …” We suggest writing “temperature Accepted 1 MB = Member body (enter the ISO 3166 two-letter country code, e.g. CN for China; comments from the ISO/CS editing unit are identified by **) 2 Type of comment: ge = general te = technical ed = editorial NOTE Columns 1, 2, 4, 5 are compulsory. page 1 of 22 ISO electronic balloting commenting template/version 2001-10

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4.2 te Variable PTRO expressed in “kPag” unit According to the item 3.2.1 of the ISO 31-0 no measure condition (std, gauge etc) is allowed to be expressed together with its respective unit. We suggest using “gauge kPa”. Also, since “kPa” involves large numbers, we suggest using “MPa” for a better unit representation.

Accepted in principal, changed to “gauge kPa” in all

places where appropriate

BR 4.2 te Variable q expressed in “m3/hr”. We suggest using “m3/h” AcceptedBR 7.4.8.1.2 item a) ed Marked item We suggest unmarking the item Accepted (SC to implement)

BR

Annex B Item B3 te This item could be improved if information about what may be considered H2S and CO2 high and low levels are provided. We suggest providing a table informing the high

and low H2S and CO2 percentage levels.

Not accepted, the task group believes that material

acceptance is covered by the referencing of ISO 15156, all

parts. This class is not applicable to C02 service.

BR Annex B several ed The word annex is beginning with low case letter We suggest beginning Annex with uppercase letter Noted, Format is defined by the CS

BRAnnex H H.4.3 te “… device is less than 5,66 SCMD (200 SCFD) …”.

Confusing and incoherent measure usage.We suggest using “std m3/d”. As per item 3.2.1 of the ISO 31-0, the measure standard condition should be written in separate.

Accepted in principle, text revised

BR Annex H H.10.1 te “… degrees Kelvin …” We suggest writing “temperature Kelvin. Accepted

BRAnnex H H.10.1 te “… is expressed as msm3/d.”. Confusing and incoherent

measure usage.We suggest using “std m3/d”. As per item 3.2.1 of the ISO 31-0, the measure standard condition should be written in separate.

Accepted in principle, text revised

BR Annex I I.3.1.4.b) te “std cu m/day”. Confusing and incoherent measure usage. We suggest using “std m3/d”, as per Annex I.6.2b). Accepted, in principle, text

revised

BR

Annex K Item K.5.2 te Minimum number of cycles to failure based on a specific manufacturer product. This may lead to low quality product approvals.

We suggest providing a minimum number of cycles to failure not dependent on any industrial product.

Not accepted, due to the variability of applications and

devices operational environments

BR Annex M Item M.4b) te “… opening pressure of 5 516 kPag (800 psig) …” We suggest using “gauge kPa”. As per item 3.2.1 of the ISO 31-0, the measure standard condition should be written in separate. Also, since kPa involves large numbers, we suggest using MPa for

Accepted

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a better unit representation.

BR Annex P Item P.3.4 te “… is expressed as msm3/d.”. Confusing and incoherent measure usage.

We suggest using “std m3/d”. The measure standard condition should be clear.

Accepted in principle, text revised

BR Annex P Item P.3.4 te “… degrees Kelvin …” and “… degrees Rankin …” We suggest writing “temperatures Kelvin and Rankin”.

Accepted

NL 3.36 ed Revise to correct grammar “set of environmental conditions to which the product is exposed….”

Accepted in principle, text revised

NL 3.38 ge Method of observing the leak is not specified, stating on an “observable leak”

Possibly add “to the unaided human eye” Not accepted, the current wording allows for a broad range of means and methods to be used effectively

NL 3.39 ge While many may know the meaning of “Pilot”, some may not

consider expanding the definition to include what is a “pilot”

Accepted in principle, Text revised

NL 3.46 te How is this device differentiated from a dump/kill device Add “This device normally is equipped with a back check valve”

Accepted in principle, text revised

NL 4.1 te “NACE” is used in the document but is not defined. Provide a definition of N.A.C.E. Not accepted, the name NACE is not an abbreviation

NL 5.1 2 ge Is it acceptable to refer to a document, which is still in development? ISO 17078-4 is referenced, but is not yet an accepted standard. There is no objection by the reviewer, just a point of order.

Noted

NL 6.1.2. Table 1 te It appears that a PPO valve with a downstream choke will not be covered by the standard. Is this intentional or is it an oversight?

If a PPO valve may be equipped with a downstream port, consider adding this to the standard.

Noted,

This is intentionally not addressed.

NL 6.1.2. Table 1

Group IV

Item 2

ed “Venture” is not the correct word to use Replace “Venture” with “Venturi” Accepted

NL 6.1.2. Table 1 ed The definition for surface controlled is missing Add a definition for surface controlled Accepted

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Group VII The definition for hydraulic is misplaced and is being used as the definition for surface controlled

Move the definition for hydraulic controlled to appear opposite the appropriate item

NL 6.1.2. Table 1

Group VII and Group VIII

ed The line separating the text of these two groups appears to be missing

Add the separator between Group VII and Group VIII

Accepted

NL 6.3.10. Para. 4 ed “….dynamics shall be validation through testing…” “….dynamics shall be validated through testing…” Accepted

NL 6.3.11.2 ge “….applications are documented and approved as …”

Who is to perform the mentioned “approval” is not specified

Specify who is to approve the new design. Accepted, the “supplier/manufacturer’s assigned approver” has been added.

NL 6.4.2. Last para ed This paragraph appears to be a duplicate of 6.4.3. eliminate the duplication Accepted in principle, text of 6.4.3 revised

NL 6.4.3. ed This paragraph appears to be a duplication of the last paragraph of 6.4.2.

eliminate the duplication Accepted in principle, text of 6.4.3 revised

NL 6.5.1. te This subclause appears to be from a different standard, perhaps 17078-3?

replace the text with the text appropriate for standard 17078-2

Accepted, Thanks!

NL 6.5.2. te This subclause appears to be from a different standard, perhaps 17078-3?

replace the text with the text appropriate for standard 17078-2

Accepted, Thanks!

NL 6.5.3.1. te This subclause appears to be from a different standard, perhaps 17078-3?

replace the text with the text appropriate for standard 17078-2

Accepted, Thanks!

NL 6.5.3.3. ed This paragraph appears to be a duplicate of 6.5.4. eliminate the duplication Accepted, Thanks!

NL 6.5.4. ed This paragraph appears to be a duplicate of 6.5.3.3. eliminate the duplication Accepted, Thanks!

NL 7.2.1. te “…prevent damage or deterioration and to prevent loss.”

The length of time to prevent loss is not specified. The documents should be available for the duration of the expected service life of the device.

append to the end of the sentence; “….during the expected service life of the device”

Not accepted, typical quality programs require that the design documentation be retained for a specified number of years after the last

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sale of the product.

NL 7.3.2. te Other marking methods may become available in the near future and should be accounted for

Add text to allow for an electronic data storage method for the same information such as RFID, in lieu of mechanical marking method

Not accepted, on location visual identification without specialized equipment is required for efficient use, additional identification is not precluded

NL 7.4.7.2.4. te It is not specified if the dead weight tester should be traceable to a reference standard

Add text to specify that the calibration standard used should be traceable to a standard.

Not accepted, 7.4.7.2.1 requires traceability to to international standards.

NL 7.4.8.1.2. a ed “…at a 2.5 AQL for O-rings…”

The term AQL is not defined

Define the term AQL Accepted

NL 7.4.9.1 te If initial test specimen fails shall the two additional tests be performed on a new test specimen or the existing test specimen?

Clarify Accepted, text revised

NL 7.6.3. para 2 ed “….is recorded as part of the PQR.”

The term PQR is not defined.

Define the term PQR Accepted

NL Annex A.2. para.1 ed “…(see 6.1.1 for a definition…”

6.1.1 states the purpose of the technical specification, and does not contain definitions

delete “6.1.1”

add “6.1.2 Table 1”

Accepted

NL Annex A.2 para. 5 ge It appears that grade 3 is defined in a clause ending with 1 and that grade 1 is defined in a clause ending with 3.

Perhaps it would be more consistent and less confusing by referencing grade 3 with a clause that ends with a 3 and grade 1 with a clause that ends with 1.

Not accepted, Priority 1 is always defined as the highest level of requirements in the ISO structure.

NL Annex A.2 A.2

Group 1

Insertion

te F.2.1 states that the requirements for the validation grades exist in the sub-clause and does not refer to the requirements

delete “F.2.1”

add “F.2”

Accepted

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NL Annex A.2 A.2

Group 1

Probe or Travel

te G.2.1 states that the requirements for the validation grades exist in the sub-clause and does not refer to the requirements

delete “G.2.1”

add “G.2”

Accepted

NL Annex A.2 A.2

Group 1

Load Rate

te G.3.1 states that the requirements for the validation grades exist in the sub-clause and does not refer to the requirements

delete “G.3.1”

add “G.3”

Accepted

NL Annex A.2 A.2

Group 1

Open and Close

te J.2.1. is used in the section for design validation. J.2.1 refers to Product functional testing and not to design validation

delete “J.2.1”

add “J.1.2”

Accepted

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Group 1

Open

te J.3.1 is used in the section for the “open” product functional test. J.3.1 refers to the “close” product function test for Group VII devices

delete “J.3.1”

add “J.2”

Accepted

NL Annex A.2 A.2

Group 1

Close

te J.4.2 and J.4.3 are used in the section for “close” product functional testing. J.4.2 and J.4.3 refer to the procedure used to conduct the tests and not to the requirements for the test

delete “J.4.2” add “J.3.2”

delete “J.4.3” add “J.3.3”

Accepted

NLNL Annex A.2 A.2

all other groups

te similar comment to all above items for A.2, Table A.2, Group 1

similar to corrections for all above items for A.2, Table A.2, Group 1

Accepted

NL Annex C.1.2 ed “….shall not be serviced or repaired in anyway.”

The words “any” and “way” should be separated.

“….shall not be serviced or repaired in any way.” Accepted

NL F.2.3 10) ed Test mixture pocket should be test fixture pocket Change “mixture” to “fixture” Accepted

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NL Annex F Figure F.1 ed Some of the text for this figure appears to have been hand lettered. The lettering method should be consistent for readability

Produce all text electronically rather than producing some portions by hand lettering.

Noted

NL Annex F. Form F.1 te Ptro units are described as kPa or psi. While gauge pressures are commonly used for this value, it is not specified here and could lead to confusion or error.

Define the pressure units as gauge pressure units kPag and psig

Accepted

NL Annex F. Form F.2 te Pvc units are described as kPa or psi. While gauge pressures are commonly used for this value, it is not specified here and could lead to confusion or error.

Define the pressure units as gauge pressure units kPag and psig

Accepted

NL Annex G.7.2 te “…above and below the flow control device seat when the flow control device is closed.” The area acted upon by the source pressure is defined when the valve is closed, but is not defined for when the valve is open. This could lead to confusion and error.

“…above and below the flow control device seat when the flow control device is in the closed and in the open position.”

Not accepted, Current wording is accurate for this device testing

NL Annex G.7.3 para. 1 te “….is a micrometer designed to accurately measure the stem travel as a function of the pressure applied over the full area of the bellows.” A micrometer can measure stem travel, but it cannot incorporate the function of the pressure applied over the full area of the bellows as a part of that measurement.

“….is a micrometer designed to accurately measure the stem travel.”

Accepted

NL Annex G.7.3 para. 1 te “….is an LVDT designed to accurately measure the stem travel as a function of the pressure applied over the full area of the bellows.” An LVDTcan measure stem travel, but it cannot incorporate the function of the pressure applied over the full area of the bellows as a part of that measurement.

“….is an LVDT designed to accurately measure the stem travel.”

Accepted

NL Annex G.8.2 para 1. te “….shall be tested at opening pressures (PvoT) of 5515 kPa (800 psig), 8274 kPa (1200 psig),…. “. The US unit is defined as gauge pressure where the SI unit is not defined as gauge or as absolute pressure.

“….shall be tested at opening pressures (PvoT) of 5515 kPag (800 psig), 8274 kPag (1200 psig),…“

Accepted in principle

NL Annex G.8.3.5 te “….using the same pressure increment.” It may be impossible to use the same pressure increment. The

“….using the same pressure increment (+/- 35kPa Not accepted, the requirements of the following

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term should be modified to allow for a tolerance of, for example, +/- 30 kPa.

(5 psi).” “Note 2” respond to this issue.

NL Annex G.8.3.6 te “….in increments such as 69 kPa, 103 kPa, 138 kPa, or 172 kPa (0 psi, 15 psi, 20 psi, or 25 psi).” This is a typo where the author intended for the first US pressure to be 10 psi rather than 0 psi.

“….in increments such as 69 kPa, 103 kPa, 138 kPa, or 172 kPa (10 psi, 15 psi, 20 psi, or 25 psi).”

Accepted

NL Annex G.8.3.6 Note 2 ed “…., do not increase the pressure and continue with the test with the pressure recorded.” As stated, the test will not continue if the target pressure is passed.

“…., do not increase the pressure. Continue with the test using the pressure recorded.”

Accepted in principle. Text revised.

NL Annex G.8.3.9 te “….using the same pressure increment until the flow control device stem is back on its seat….” It may be impossible to use the same pressure increment. The term should be modified to allow for a tolerance of, for example, +/- 30 kPa.

“….using the same pressure increment (+/- 35kPa (5 psi) until the flow control device stem is back on its seat.”

Not accepted, the requirements of the following “Note 2” respond to this issue.

NL Annex G Form G.1

Line 1

ed The form indicates that the information on the form is required. Line 1 asks a question. The answer could be “No” and the tester would comply with the requirements of the form. The question should be replaced with a requirement.

1. Attach the assembly drawing(s) for the probe test apparatus.

Accepted, text revised

NL Annex G Form G.1

Line 4

te “Flow control device set pressure (kPa or Psi)”. While gauge pressures are commonly used for this value, it is not specified here and could lead to confusion or error.

“Flow control device set pressure (kPag or Psig)” Accepted

NL Annex G Form G.1

Test Pressure section

te “Test Pressure (kPa or psi).” While gauge pressures are commonly used for this value, it is not specified here and could lead to confusion or error.

“Test Pressure (kPag or psig).” Accepted

NL Annex G Form G.1

Test Pressure Section

te The table contains a column for “corrected” stem position, but the document does not appear to explain the use of the column.

Provide an explanation of the use of the “Corrected” stem position column in the table.

Accepted in principle, chart revised to remove the column for corrected data.

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Stem Position (corrected)

NL Annex G.9.1 para 2 ge “bellows stacking”

Should this term be defined?

Not accepted, This is a common term applicable to those skilled in the art of applying these products

NL Annex G.9.1 Figure G.3 ed The size of this plot is too small to be easily read Enlarge the plot at least 20% Accepted

NL Annex G.11 ed “Form G.1 is a convenient method for recording…”

Indeed it is, do you suggest it be used?

“Form G.1 is a recommended method for recording…”

Accepted in principle, text revised

NL Annex G.11 ed The documentation is required, but the form does not state a requirement for the documentation, it only asks if the documentation is attached. Does an answer of “No” still allow the requirements to be met?

Noted

NL Annex G.11 Item g te Maximum effective stem travel is required to be provided according to this clause. However, there is not a data entry field on the form for this information

Add a data entry to the form for Maximum effective stem travel.

Not accepted, this data is derived from a graphical representation of the collected data.

NL Annex H.5.2 Test Pressure Range

te the units used in the equations presented in this section are not defined.

Define P1 as kpag or psig Accepted

NL Annex H.5.3 ed For each pressure ratios (x),….” For each pressure ratio (x),….” Accepted

NL Annex H.6.1 ed There are two methods for dynamic performance testing of flow control devices the constant production pressure and the constant injection pressure methods.

There are two methods for dynamic performance testing of flow control devices. They are the constant production pressure method and the constant injection pressure method.

Accepted

NL Annex H.6.1 para. 4 te “It may be injection pressure operated (IPO) or production pressure operated (PPO).” A number of other devices require flow testing for design validation and for product

Expand section H.6 to include all devices which require flow testing for design validation or product function testing.

Accepted in principle, text of H.6.1 is changed to accommodate all devices.

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function testing that are not IPO or PPO flow control devices. Examples are, BIPO valves, differential valves, orifices, shear orifice, etc. However, it appears that the testing method does not include these devices.

NL Annex H 6.1 para 7 ed “…may use other methods, including the traditional method.” Has a method been defined as “traditional”

Accepted, text revised

NL Annex H.6.2.4 te “…(P2) equal to 0 kpa (0 psi).” The pressure units are not defined as being gauge pressure or absolute pressure.

“…(P2) equal to 0 kpag (0 psig).” Accepted

NL Annex H Form H.1

section 2

te pressure units used on the form are not defined as gauge or absolute pressures.

replace kPa with kPag

replace psi with psig

Accepted

NL Annex H Form H.1

section 3

te pressure units used on the form are not defined as gauge or absolute pressures. This is an issue for all pressures in this section except for the delta P measurement, which does not need to be changed.

replace kPa with kPag

replace psi with psig

Accepted

NL Annex H. 8 ed In some sub clauses, the test section is referred to as being a “basic” test section. In other clauses, the test section is NOT referred to as a “basic” test section. What is the difference between a test section which is “basic” and one that is not?

remove the word “basic” from the clauses where the term is used to describe the test section

Accepted

NL Annex H.8.3.3 te “…intends for the device to be used in a well only in the throttling flow regime, …” Is this intent identified in any documents that are required?

Add a data entry field to Form H.1 where the intent to operate the flow control device in the throttling flow regime can be recorded.

Accepted, form changed

NL Annex H.9.2 te The SI units equations are not adequately separated from the US units calculation on the page. It is not clear that a separation should exist after the definition of “X pressure ratio” is presented.

Provide a separation between the sections to eliminate confusion.

Accepted in principle, text revised to add separation.

NL Annex H Figure H.5 te Units for the stem travel and port size are not defined Define the units for the stem travel and port size Accepted in principle, text revised

NL Annex H Figure H.6 te Units for the stem travel and port size are not defined Define the units for the stem travel and port size Accepted in principle, text 1 MB = Member body (enter the ISO 3166 two-letter country code, e.g. CN for China; comments from the ISO/CS editing unit are identified by **)2 Type of comment: ge = general te = technical ed = editorial NOTE Columns 1, 2, 4, 5 are compulsory.

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NL Annex H.10.1 te The SI units equations are not adequately separated from the US units calculation on the page. It is not clear that a separation should exist after the definition of “X pressure ratio” is presented.

Provide a separation between the sections to eliminate confusion.

Accepted in principle, text revised

NL Annex H.10.1 te “Piod and Ppd --- kPa” The dashed section before kPa appears to be a place holder. In another section, this space is replaced with the words “expressed in”

“Piod and Ppd expressed in kPa” Accepted in principle

NL Annex H.10.2 item 7 te The pressure and temperature units are not defined. Define the pressure and temperature units Accepted

NL Annex H.3.1.2 Item f) te It is not clear what pressure units are being used Define the pressure units more clearly Accepted in principle, text of H 11.3.1.2.f revised

NL Annex H Figure H.8 te The units for the port size are not defined Define the port size units Accepted in principle, text of reference revised

NL Annex I ge The moving element for the back check is referred to as a “dart”. If all back check valves are constructed using a moving element that resembles a dart, then this is acceptable. If it is possible, or probable that the moving element of the back check may not resemble a dart or that a configuration of the back check valve may be significantly different, the perhaps it would be more suitable to refer to the moving element of the back check valve as being a valve “trim”

Replace “dart” with “trim” Accepted in principle, text revised to include any closing mechanism

NL Annex L.1 ed “L.1General” – In other Annexes, there is a space or a tab between the numeral and the title.

Add a space or tab between the numeral and the label “L.1 General”

Accepted

NL Annex L.2 ed as above as above Accepted

NL Annex L.3 ed as above as above Accepted

NL Annex L.4 ed as above as above Accepted

NL Annex M.6.1 te “….to a pressure charge of 344.7 kPa (50 psig) greater than…” One pressure unit is gauge pressure and the

“….to a pressure charge of 344.7 kPag (50 psig) greater than…”

Accepted

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other pressure unit is not defined as gauge or as absolute. Both pressure units should be defined as either gauge or absolute pressure.

NL Annex M.6.4 te “Increase the pressure on the chamber to 34473.8 kpa (5000 psig)” One pressure unit is gauge pressure and the other pressure unit is not defined as gauge or as absolute. Both pressure units should be defined as either gauge or absolute pressure.

“Increase the pressure on the chamber to 34473.8 kpag (5000 psig)”

Accepted

NL Annex M.6.7 te “Increase the pressure on the chamber to 34473.8 kpa (5000 psig)” One pressure unit is gauge pressure and the other pressure unit is not defined as gauge or as absolute. Both pressure units should be defined as either gauge or absolute pressure.

“Increase the pressure on the chamber to 34473.8 kpag (5000 psig)”

Accepted

NL Annex O.2.1 item c) te “….and the pressure be at least 10432 kPa (1500 psig)” One pressure unit is gauge pressure and the other pressure unit is not defined as gauge or as absolute. Both pressure units should be defined as either gauge or absolute pressure.

“….and the pressure be at least 10432 kPag (1500 psig)”

Accepted

NL Annex O.2.6.3 te “….to no more than 69 kPa/s (10 psig/s) are permitted.”

For the US units, it is not necessary or appropriate to express the units as gauge pressure. It is preferable to not specify the pressure unit reference in this case.

“….to no more than 69 kPa/s (10 psi/s) are permitted.”

Accepted

NL Annex O.2.8.1 Figure O.4 te The figure includes US units but does not include the SI equivalent

Include SI units in the figure Accepted

NL Annex O Form O.1 ge The form is used to provide required information, but some items are not requirements for the data, but are rather requirements for answers to questions. It is more appropriate to require the data to be present, than it is to require an answer to a question about the data

Rephrase items that ask questions to more clearly require that data be provided.

Accepted

NL Annex P.2.4 te The SI units are not specified as either gauge or absolute pressures where the US units are specified as gauge

The SI pressure unit reference should be specified as gauge pressures to match the US pressure unit

Accepted

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pressure. reference.

NL Annex P.3.1 item c) te “….30% for ports of 0.47625 cm. (3/16 in) or less.”

Is it necessary to specify port size to 5 decimal places? Would it not be sufficient to use only two decimal places?

“….30% for ports of 0.48 cm. (3/16 in) or less.” Accepted

NL Annex P.3.4 te “Piod is expressed in kPa” “Piod is expressed in kPag” Accepted

NL Annex P.3.5.1 te The SI units are not specified as either gauge or absolute pressures where the US units are specified as gauge pressure.

The SI pressure unit reference should be specified as gauge pressures to match the US pressure unit reference.

Accepted

NL Annex P.3.5.2 te It is not clear that the equations require the use of US units.

Clarify that the units in the equations are US units Accepted

NL Annex P.3.5.2 te “….a loadrate of 1723.7 kPa/cm (935 psig/in).”

For the US units, it is not necessary or appropriate to express the units as gauge pressure. It is preferable to not specify the pressure unit reference in this case.

“….a loadrate of 1723.7 kPa/cm (935 psi/in).” Accepted

NL Annex P.3.5.3 te It is not clear that the equations require the use of US units.

Clarify that the units in the equations are US units Accepted in principle, references changed and text refined

NL Annex P.3.5.4 te It is not clear that the equations require the use of US units.

Clarify that the units in the equations are US units Accepted in principle, references changed and text refined

NL Annex P.3.5.4 item d) te “….for natural gas at 6377.6 kPa (925 psig)”

The SI units are not specified as either gauge or absolute pressures where the US units are specified as gauge pressure.

“….for natural gas at 6377.6 kPag (925 psig)” Accepted in principle

US ed Some major editing is needed on this document. Normative references must be in text and a variety of other problems.

Noted

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ISOCS

Introduction, 5.5

ISO 17078-3 and ISO 17078:2004 (see also 5.5) should be added to the Bibliography

Accepted

ISOCS

Clause 2 The current version of ISO 9000 is ISO 9000:2004 Accepted

ISOCS

Clause 2 The current year for ISO 11960 is 2004 Accepted

ISOCS

Clause 2 The listed title for ANSI/ASME 1.20.1 is "...Purpose (Inch)" and for 1.20.5, "...Threads (Inch).

Noted

ISOCS

Clause 2 The listed title for ANSI/ASME B16.5-96 is " Flanged Fittings NPS 1/2 Through NPS 24

Accepted

ISOCS

Clause 2 The current number SAE AMS-H-6875A Accepted

ISOCS

Clause 2 The listed title for SAE AS-568A is Aerospace Siye Standard for O-Rings

Accepted

ISOCS

5.6 to 5.9 Indenting the lists might improve the readability of these lists.

Accepted

ISOCS

6.2.5 right justify Accepted

ISOCS

7.7 7.7 should be used instead of the first "this subclause". To which standard and to which subclause does the "this subclause" in the third line refer?

Accepted in principle

ISOCS

7.10 ISO 17078-4 should be indicated as not yet an official draft standard, for example by adding the phrase "..., which is under preparation,..."

Accepted

ISOCS

B.2, B.3 ISO 15156: Either a part number or (all parts) should be added as appropriate.

Accepted

ISOCS

Figures G.3 and G.4

A comma, not a full stop, should be used as the decimal marker and axes units expressed (also) in SI units (e.g. Pas et centimetres)

Accepted, however, implementation by CS is required

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Figure H.1 "Shall not" rather than "must not" should be used in the lowest explanation.

Accepted

ISOCS

Figures H.2, H.3, H.7, H.8

The axes units should be expressed (also) in SI units (e.g. Pas et cubic metres or litres per day, etc.)

Accepted, however, implementation by CS is required

ISOCS

H.9.1 "In 9.1" should be used instead of "this subclause" Accepted

ISOCS

Figures H.5, H.6 -

What are the units for stem travel? The fractions are presumably in inches; an SI equivalent should be given.

Accepted

ISOCS

H.11.2 b) Second P2 equation

(-t/1) doesn't seem reasonable; is something missing? Not accepted, reference is correct

ISOCS

H.11.2 b) Please clarify the system time constants (1, 2) in the line after "t is time..." for the second equation for P2.

Accepted

ISOCS

I.2.3.1 "I.2.3" should be used instead of "this subclause" Accepted

ISOCS

Figure O.3 A comma, not a full stop, should be used as the decimal marker.

Accepted, however, implementation by CS is required

ISOCS

O.2.7 References should be included in the Bibliography for ANSI/API MPMS 14.31-1990 or GPA 8185-90 part 1.

Accepted

ISOCS

Figure O.4 Pipe sizes should be expressed in millimetres also. Accepted

ISOCS

O.2.10 "O.2.10" should be used instead of "this subclause" Accepted

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