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BY LARS FREDRIK ØKSENDAL Comments on The Margins for Discretion Stefano Ugolini Scuola Normale Superiore di Pisa PPP4 Conference – Geneva, February 3-4, 2011

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Page 1: Comments on The Margins for Discretion · Comments on The Margins for Discretion Stefano Ugolini Scuola Normale Superiore di Pisa PPP4 Conference – Geneva, February 3-4, 2011. PRESENTATION

B Y L A R S F R E D R I K Ø K S E N D A L

Comments onThe Margins for Discretion

Stefano UgoliniScuola Normale Superiore di Pisa

PPP4 Conference – Geneva, February 3-4, 2011

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P R E S E N TAT I O N O F T H E PA P E R

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Introduction

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The Paper within the Literature3

� Recent literature on the 19th-century Norwegianmonetary experience: Eitrheim, Klovland, and

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monetary experience: Eitrheim, Klovland, andQvigstad (2004, 2007); Klovland (1983, 2005); Knutsen(1995, 2003); Øksendal (2006, 2008, 2009).

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The Paper within the Literature4

� The vast literature on the ‘rules of the game’ under thegold standard.

� More specifically, the literature on the ‘margins fordiscretion’ during crises:

Dornbusch and Frenkel (1984), a pioneering model of

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� Dornbusch and Frenkel (1984), a pioneering model ofinternal and external convertibility during crises;

� Della Paolera and Taylor (2002), on domestic financialstability as an inconsistent target with respect to externalconvertibility;

� Ugolini (2010), on the role of the ‘margins for discretion’ inaffecting the credibility of pegs.

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A Sketch of the Argument5

� Starting point: In the 19th century, central banks usedto have two main targets: stabilizing exchange ratesand avoiding disruptions within the payments system.These were two conflicting targets, and central banks

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These were two conflicting targets, and central bankswere forced to play around in order to try to keep both.

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A Sketch of the Argument6

� Starting point: In the 19th century, central banks usedto have two main targets: stabilizing exchange ratesand avoiding disruptions within the payments system.These were two conflicting targets, and central banks

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These were two conflicting targets, and central bankswere forced to play around in order to try to keep both.

� Norges Bank’s ‘margins for discretion’ are described.

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A Sketch of the Argument7

� Starting point: In the 19th century, central banks usedto have two main targets: stabilizing exchange ratesand avoiding disruptions within the payments system.These were two conflicting targets, and central banks

Ugolini – Comments on Øksendal, 'The Margins'

These were two conflicting targets, and central bankswere forced to play around in order to try to keep both.

� Norges Bank’s ‘margins for discretion’ are described.

� Norges Bank’s crisis management is analyzed in theevent of a number of episodes (1847, 1857, 1878, 1899).

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A Sketch of the Argument8

� Conclusion: Avoiding disruptions within the paymentssystem was not equivalent to nowadays’ financialstability target, because 19th-century central banks letmany commercial banks fail; because of their fixed-

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many commercial banks fail; because of their fixed-exchange-rate commitments, central banks could notbe lenders of last resort as much as the state could.

� ‘A central bank is only as good as the credibilitycommanded by the state’.

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S T R E N G T H S O F T H E PA P E R

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Pros

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I) A Fresh Perspective10

� As far as I know, this is the first attempt to look at

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As far as I know, this is the first attempt to look atNorwegian monetary history from the point of view ofNorges Bank itself.

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II) A Good Focus11

� I fully applaud the choice of looking at excess central

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I fully applaud the choice of looking at excess centralbank reserves as a crucial indicator for judging centralbankers’ behavior under a fixed exchange rate regime.

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III) Intriguing Evidence12

� The historical episodes the author presents are veryinteresting, as they show a lot of different strategies of

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interesting, as they show a lot of different strategies ofcrisis resolution put in place by monetary and fiscalauthorities.

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M Y C R I T I C I S M O F T H E PA P E R

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Cons

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1) Qualification of the Argument14

� Trivially, exchange rate stability and financial stabilitymay be two conflicting targets only if a crisis is a twin

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may be two conflicting targets only if a crisis is a twincrisis. This was commonly understood even in the 19th

century (Thornton 1802; Bagehot 1873).

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1) Qualification of the Argument15

� But when one is to study a twin crisis, a crucialelement to be looked at is the behavior of exchangerates during the shock.

� Nowhere this element is brought into the picture.

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� Nowhere this element is brought into the picture.

� True, the central bank’s convertibility commitmentformally translated into the legal coverage ratios.However, only exchange rates can reveal a number ofimportant features (e.g. to what extent the drain wasexternal or internal).

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2) Empirical Evidence16

� Just juxtaposing excess reserves and interest rates isnot enough to understand what is actually going on.

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not enough to understand what is actually going on.

� The Bank is told to be ‘withdrawing banknotes’ fromcirculation. How does the Bank manage to withdrawbanknotes in practice? This remains unexplained.

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2) Empirical Evidence17

� Is there credit rationing?

� Is there discrimination against some kinds of assets?

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Is there discrimination against some kinds of assets?

� Are there open-market operations taking place?

� Is the Bank intervening on the bullion market?

� Are foreign exchange interventions implemented?

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2) Empirical Evidence18

� The only additional piece of evidence provided is theratio of discounts over issued banknotes. Yet this is

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ratio of discounts over issued banknotes. Yet this ismerely an indicator of the velocity of circulation ofbanknotes across the central bank’s discount window.

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3) Definition of LLR19

� There is confusion on the concept of lender of lastresort. LLR does not mean that the central bankprovides lifeboat arrangements to insolvent banks, itmeans that the central bank ensures that the liquidityof eligible collateral is never discontinued (Bagehot

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of eligible collateral is never discontinued (Bagehot1873).

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3) Definition of LLR20

� There is confusion on the concept of lender of lastresort. LLR does not mean that the central bankprovides lifeboat arrangements to insolvent banks, itmeans that the central bank ensures that the liquidityof eligible collateral is never discontinued (Bagehot

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of eligible collateral is never discontinued (Bagehot1873).

� We are able to assess if the central bank is doing LLRonly if we look at the price of eligible collateral duringcrises (market discount rates, price of nationalsovereign bonds, etc.: Bignon et al. 2009), otherwisewe cannot know.

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3) Definition of LLR21

� As a result, the fact that bank failures take place doesnot allow to conclude that the central bank is not

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not allow to conclude that the central bank is notbehaving as a LLR (the 21st-century policy ofsystematic bailout has nothing to do with Bagehot-style LLR).

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S O M E S U G G E S T I O N S F O R I M P R OV I N G T H E PA P E R

One Example22

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The 1857 Crisis

� The author’s account (based on Rygg 1954):

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The 1857 Crisis

� The author’s account (based on Rygg 1954):

1) In Hamburg, merchant banks get into trouble andstop lending to their Norwegian correspondents;

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The 1857 Crisis

� The author’s account (based on Rygg 1954):

1) In Hamburg, merchant banks get into trouble andstop lending to their Norwegian correspondents;

2) Norges Bank ships silver ‘to support Norwegiancredit in Hamburg’ (?);

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credit in Hamburg’ (?);

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The 1857 Crisis

� The author’s account (based on Rygg 1954):

1) In Hamburg, merchant banks get into trouble andstop lending to their Norwegian correspondents;

2) Norges Bank ships silver ‘to support Norwegiancredit in Hamburg’ (?);

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credit in Hamburg’ (?);

3) Norges Bank ‘buys up Norwegian paper abroad’ (?);

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The 1857 Crisis

� The author’s account (based on Rygg 1954):

1) In Hamburg, merchant banks get into trouble andstop lending to their Norwegian correspondents;

2) Norges Bank ships silver ‘to support Norwegiancredit in Hamburg’ (?);

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credit in Hamburg’ (?);

3) Norges Bank ‘buys up Norwegian paper abroad’ (?);

4) The government raises a short-term loan in London;

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The 1857 Crisis

� The author’s account (based on Rygg 1954):

1) In Hamburg, merchant banks get into trouble andstop lending to their Norwegian correspondents;

2) Norges Bank ships silver ‘to support Norwegiancredit in Hamburg’ (?);

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credit in Hamburg’ (?);

3) Norges Bank ‘buys up Norwegian paper abroad’ (?);

4) The government raises a short-term loan in London;

5) The loan is ‘used for domestic discounting throughthe government discounting commission, but wouldalso strengthen the reserves of Norges Bank’ (?).

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The 1857 Crisis

� ‘This might be seen merely as an intervention in theforeign exchange market to support the fixed exchangerate. [...] The object was not to help bankers indistress, but to avoid a serious threat to the domestic

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distress, but to avoid a serious threat to the domesticpayments system caused by the rampant illiquidity ofkey economic agents. Nonetheless, it is a paradox thatthe first major central bank rescue operation inNorway under a financial crisis was not aimed atfinancial intermediaries and actually took place inanother country’.

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Monetary Geography in the 1850s30

National Bank of Belgium, 1851-1853: Geographical origin of foreign bills discounted

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Source: Ugolini (2007)

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Monetary Geography in the 1850s31

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Source: Hamburgische Börsen-Halle (1857)

Christiania???

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A Peculiar Situation

� Available evidence suggests that Norwegian merchantbanks used to keep their books in Hamburg marks,not in domestic currency (a sort of ‘dollarization’).

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not in domestic currency (a sort of ‘dollarization’).

� This means that a liquid domestic money market didnot exist in Norway.

� As a result, Norges Bank was obliged to be an activeplayer on the Hamburg mark market.

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An Active Player on Forex Markets33

Norges Bank, 1850-1914: Composition of foreign reserves

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Source: Eitrheim, Klovland, & Qvigstad (2004)

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A Sluggish Domestic Money Market34

Norges Bank, 1819-1914: Mortgage and other domestic loans

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Source: Eitrheim, Klovland, & Qvigstad (2004)

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Putting Things into Context

� Norges Bank’s silver shipments to Hamburg should beseen in the context of the international rescueoperation led by Austria (Kindleberger 1978).

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operation led by Austria (Kindleberger 1978).

� Moreover, the government’s emergency loan and itsuse to support Norges Bank’s balance sheet should bedescribed more accurately.

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Government Deposits at Norges Bank36

1857

1878

189

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Norges Bank, 1819-1914: Public and private deposits

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184

7

1857

1878

Source: Eitrheim, Klovland, & Qvigstad (2004)

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Sum-Up

� If more evidence is given and if episodes are put intotheir historical context more properly, the paper has

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their historical context more properly, the paper hasthe potential to provide a lot of valuable insights oncrisis management in peripheral countries.

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A R E A S S E S S M E N T O F T H E PA P E R

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Conclusion

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Conclusion39

� The idea of the paper is interesting, and the historicalepisodes chosen are very relevant to the argument.

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Conclusion40

� The idea of the paper is interesting, and the historicalepisodes chosen are very relevant to the argument.

� However, more evidence should be provided in orderto make the argument fully convincing.

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to make the argument fully convincing.

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Conclusion41

� The idea of the paper is interesting, and the historicalepisodes chosen are very relevant to the argument.

� However, more evidence should be provided in orderto make the argument fully convincing.

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to make the argument fully convincing.

� Whence completed with the missing elements, thepaper will no doubt improve our understanding of thehistorical relationship between monetary and fiscalauthorities in crisis solving.

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B Y L A R S F R E D R I K Ø K S E N D A L

Comments onThe Margins for Discretion

Stefano UgoliniScuola Normale Superiore di Pisa

PPP4 Conference – Geneva, February 3-4, 2011