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Codycrh (Mon, 30 Sep 2019 at 12:49 PM)
Derek Pohl, an employee of the County Road Administration Board, conspired with WA Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors (BORPELS) to perform illegal grassroots lobbying efforts for 2019 SB 5443 & HB 1776. In support of the illegal lobbying activities, tax payer resources including machines, software, office space, and unauthorized reimbursement using tax funds for lobbying work during regular working hours occurred.
What impact does the alleged violation(s) have on the public?
Loss of public resources, loss of public funds, undermining of the democratic process, undermine the state legislature.
List of attached evidence or contact information where evidence may be found.
Attached you will find email correspondence that substantiates my allegations
List of potential witnesses with contact information to reach them.
Included in the attached email correspondence
Complaint Certification:
I certify (or declare) under penalty of perjury under the laws of the State of Washington that information provided with this complaint is true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief.
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
To: Kd Fuller
Subject: FW: Senate Bill 5443 passed through the Washington State Senate and now is in the House Consumer Protectionand Business Committee
Date: Thursday, April 11, 2019 9:42:00 AM
Attachments: Att. 2 AGO Opinion 1986.docxBORPELS Talking Points_.pdf
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 2:24 PM
To: [email protected]; Steven Collins ; Chun Lau ; Jon Warren, P.L.S. (Bellevue)
([email protected]) ; McGowan, Kenneth ; [email protected]; mitch@duryea-
associates.com; [email protected]; RICHARD WILKERSON ; Jeffrey Bender ; Charles
Burgess ; Van Collins ; [email protected]; Yinhai Wang
Cc: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Subject: FW: Senate Bill 5443 passed through the Washington State Senate and now is in the House
Consumer Protection and Business Committee
Good morning,
Our bill (SB 5443) is scheduled for a hearing on Tuesday March 19, 2019 at 1:30 PM before the
House Consumer Protection and Business Committee.
One very interesting point, the executive session has already been scheduled for the following day at
1:30 ???? So the point of my email is that we would like to have the full committee (13 members)
vote positive on moving this out to the floor which may allow for us to bypass the appropriations
committee (and save us time, and reduce the chance it could be stalled out). Therefore, it would be
great if each committee member were to get letters via emails, from the public including you, asking
for their support in this important bill. Keeping it very simple and in their own words:
· SB 5443 administratively fixes the statue with the attorney general’s findings that the Board of
Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors has the authority and standing
to operate as a separate State agency.
· These law changes will allow for the Board to operate, as intended by the legislation, to align
budget authority with the regulatory responsibility.
· The Board is self-funded thru license fees
Would each of you send a brief letter (email) to the committee members asking for their support? It
would be best for a brief email giving your background and history with a strong request to support.
Chairman Kirby is a supporter.
Thank you,
Ken Fuller, P.E.
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:35 PM
To: Webster, Cliff <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Steven Collins
<[email protected]>; 'Derek Pohle' <[email protected]>; '[email protected]'
<[email protected]>; 'Warren, Jon P.' <[email protected]>;
Hendrickson, Doug <[email protected]>; Van Collins <[email protected]>;
'[email protected]' <[email protected]>; [email protected]; 'Charles
Burgess' <[email protected]>; 'McGowan, Kenneth' <[email protected]>;
Cc: 'James Wengler' <[email protected]>; 'Ivan VanDeWege'
<[email protected]>; Gnanapragasam, Nirmala <[email protected]>
Subject: Senate Bill 5443 passed through the Washington State Senate and now is in the House
Consumer Protection and Business Committee
Good afternoon,
Great work so far and thank you all for your help. Our bill moved forward to the house (Into the
Consumer Protection and Business Committee),,we could use a few personal emails to the
committee requesting it to be voted out and onto the floor. If we could get 30 or so professionals to
send personal emails and phone calls to the chair Steve Kirby and a few emails to each of the
committee members stressing the importance of this legislation it would be very helpful. Important
points and the 1986 AG opinion are attached for your reference. BORPLES is an independent agency
but without budget authority, this legislation will align the budget with the regulatory responsibility,
allowing for a proactive outreach to our professionals in education and public awareness. THANK
YOU…..
Kirby, Steve (D)Chair [email protected]
437B Legislative Building (360) 786-7996
Reeves, Kristine (D)Vice Chair
132D Legislative Building (360) 786-7830
Vick, Brandon (R)Ranking Minority Member
465 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7850
Hoff, Larry (R)Assistant Ranking Minority Member
406 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7812
Barkis, Andrew (R) 122D Legislative Building (360) 786-7824
Blake, Brian (D) 437A Legislative Building (360) 786-7870
Dufault, Jeremie (R) 122E Legislative Building (360) 786-7874
Ryu, Cindy (D) 421 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7880
Santos, Sharon Tomiko (D) 321 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7944
Stanford, Derek (D) 327 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7928
Volz, Mike (R) 427 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7922
Walen, Amy (D) 418 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7848
Ybarra, Alex (R) 469 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7808
Ken Fuller, PE
541.647.7265
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
immediately notify the sender by return e-mail message and delete all copies ofthe original communication. Thank you for your cooperation
--------- Original Message ---------
Subject: ASK from Ken FullerFrom: "Fuller, Ken (DOL)" <[email protected]>Date: 3/14/19 8:22 amTo: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Hi Chuck,
Thank you for the discussion today. To re-cap:
· BORPLES Onsite Designer Exam development. We need 5 names of
experiences but in the thick of work, designers, willing to BETA testthe new exam. It would be nice to have folks from outside of theTacoma/Seattle area.
Ric’s list:
Larry Purdum [email protected]
Rod Left [email protected]
Randy Wilkerson [email protected]
Keith Pelzel [email protected]
Brian Potucek [email protected]
Lauren Wilkerson
· SB 5443 (Attached talking points) has passed the Senate 44/4/1 and isin the house Consumer Protection and Business Committee(Representative Kirby is chair) with a potential hearing next week.We are looking for support to get this passed out of committee andonto the floor for a vote (hopefully the Governor’s support to sign itinto law) .
Thank you and welcome back.
Ken Fuller, PE
541.647.7265
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
To: Kd Fuller
Subject: FW: Senate Bill 5443 passed through the Washington State Senate and now is in the House Consumer Protectionand Business Committee
Date: Thursday, April 11, 2019 9:42:00 AM
Attachments: Att. 2 AGO Opinion 1986.docxBORPELS Talking Points_.pdf
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 2:24 PM
To: [email protected]; Steven Collins ; Chun Lau ; Jon Warren, P.L.S. (Bellevue)
([email protected]) ; McGowan, Kenneth ; [email protected]; mitch@duryea-
associates.com; [email protected]; RICHARD WILKERSON ; Jeffrey Bender ; Charles
Burgess ; Van Collins ; [email protected]; Yinhai Wang
Cc: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Subject: FW: Senate Bill 5443 passed through the Washington State Senate and now is in the House
Consumer Protection and Business Committee
Good morning,
Our bill (SB 5443) is scheduled for a hearing on Tuesday March 19, 2019 at 1:30 PM before the
House Consumer Protection and Business Committee.
One very interesting point, the executive session has already been scheduled for the following day at
1:30 ???? So the point of my email is that we would like to have the full committee (13 members)
vote positive on moving this out to the floor which may allow for us to bypass the appropriations
committee (and save us time, and reduce the chance it could be stalled out). Therefore, it would be
great if each committee member were to get letters via emails, from the public including you, asking
for their support in this important bill. Keeping it very simple and in their own words:
· SB 5443 administratively fixes the statue with the attorney general’s findings that the Board of
Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors has the authority and standing
to operate as a separate State agency.
· These law changes will allow for the Board to operate, as intended by the legislation, to align
budget authority with the regulatory responsibility.
· The Board is self-funded thru license fees
Would each of you send a brief letter (email) to the committee members asking for their support? It
would be best for a brief email giving your background and history with a strong request to support.
Chairman Kirby is a supporter.
Thank you,
Ken Fuller, P.E.
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 3:35 PM
To: Webster, Cliff <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Steven Collins
<[email protected]>; 'Derek Pohle' <[email protected]>; '[email protected]'
<[email protected]>; 'Warren, Jon P.' <[email protected]>;
Hendrickson, Doug <[email protected]>; Van Collins <[email protected]>;
'[email protected]' <[email protected]>; [email protected]; 'Charles
Burgess' <[email protected]>; 'McGowan, Kenneth' <[email protected]>;
Cc: 'James Wengler' <[email protected]>; 'Ivan VanDeWege'
<[email protected]>; Gnanapragasam, Nirmala <[email protected]>
Subject: Senate Bill 5443 passed through the Washington State Senate and now is in the House
Consumer Protection and Business Committee
Good afternoon,
Great work so far and thank you all for your help. Our bill moved forward to the house (Into the
Consumer Protection and Business Committee),,we could use a few personal emails to the
committee requesting it to be voted out and onto the floor. If we could get 30 or so professionals to
send personal emails and phone calls to the chair Steve Kirby and a few emails to each of the
committee members stressing the importance of this legislation it would be very helpful. Important
points and the 1986 AG opinion are attached for your reference. BORPLES is an independent agency
but without budget authority, this legislation will align the budget with the regulatory responsibility,
allowing for a proactive outreach to our professionals in education and public awareness. THANK
YOU…..
Kirby, Steve (D)Chair [email protected]
437B Legislative Building (360) 786-7996
Reeves, Kristine (D)Vice Chair
132D Legislative Building (360) 786-7830
Vick, Brandon (R)Ranking Minority Member
465 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7850
Hoff, Larry (R)Assistant Ranking Minority Member
406 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7812
Barkis, Andrew (R) 122D Legislative Building (360) 786-7824
Blake, Brian (D) 437A Legislative Building (360) 786-7870
Dufault, Jeremie (R) 122E Legislative Building (360) 786-7874
Ryu, Cindy (D) 421 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7880
Santos, Sharon Tomiko (D) 321 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7944
Stanford, Derek (D) 327 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7928
Volz, Mike (R) 427 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7922
Walen, Amy (D) 418 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7848
Ybarra, Alex (R) 469 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7808
Ken Fuller, PE
541.647.7265
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
To: Marjorie Lund; Webster, Cliff; [email protected]; [email protected];[email protected]; McGowan, Kenneth
Subject: 3/19/19 House Hearing on SB 5443
Date: Monday, March 18, 2019 8:02:00 AM
Hi Marjorie, Cliff, Tom, Ken, Richard, and Chuck;
I would like to coordinate our hearing presentation for tomorrow with talking points. (1:30 is the start of the hearingbut we may not get onto the podium until a bit latter). Who all will be attending and prepared to testify?
Marjorie and I will be there for sure. Let me know.
Thank you,
Ken
541.647.7265
From: [email protected]
To: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Subject: RE: ASK from Ken Fuller
Date: Monday, March 18, 2019 9:27:24 AM
Hi Ken,I was able to put forth your legislation to the On-Site Designers and Engineers on the WOSSABoard. WOSSA with the input of this group of individuals is willing to approve of and supportthe legislation unanimously with one addition. Under the section where the Governor appointsan executive director our board feels that the Governor should be able to choose from threecategories: engineer, PE, and onsite designer.Section 15(3) The governor shall appoint an executive director of the 30 board. The executivedirector must hold a valid Washington license as 31 a professional engineer, professionalland surveyor or on-site designer.This is in keeping with WOSSA's commitment to involve professional engineers on its Boardeven though engineers represent a proportionally smaller amount of on-site designs. Severalyears ago WOSSA added an engineering representative position to the board and have had asmany as two PE's on the board at one time, including in the VP President, President and PastPresident positions.Kindest Regards,Chuck Ahrens, Executive Director
253-770-6594: Office253-219-7233 : Cell253-770-0896 : Fax
The Washington Onsite Sewage Association"The Voice of the Industry"
This message (including any attachments) is intended for the use of the intended recipient(s)only and may contain information that is confidential, privileged or legally protected. Anyunauthorized use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you havereceived this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by return e-mailmessage and delete all copies of the original communication. Thank you for your cooperation
--------- Original Message ---------Subject: ASK from Ken FullerFrom: "Fuller, Ken (DOL)" Date: 3/14/19 8:22 amTo: "[email protected]"
Hi Chuck,
Thank you for the discussion today. To re-cap:
BORPLES Onsite Designer Exam development. We need 5 names of experiences but in
the thick of work, designers, willing to BETA test the new exam. It would be nice tohave folks from outside of the Tacoma/Seattle area.
Ric’s list:
Larry Purdum 253.509.2579 [email protected]
Rod Left 360.509.2000 [email protected]
Randy Wilkerson 253.380.4868 [email protected]
Keith Pelzel 253.208.9078 [email protected]
Brian Potucek 253.732.3792 [email protected]
Lauren Wilkerson
SB 5443 (Attached talking points) has passed the Senate 44/4/1 and is in the house
Consumer Protection and Business Committee (Representative Kirby is chair) with apotential hearing next week. We are looking for support to get this passed out ofcommittee and onto the floor for a vote (hopefully the Governor’s support to sign itinto law) .
Thank you and welcome back.
Ken Fuller, PE
541.647.7265
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and LandSurveyors
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
To: Dave Huard
Subject: RE: ASK from Ken Fuller
Date: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:52:00 AM
HI Dave,
That is perfect, most of the others are in the lower PS area, if you are interested let me know.
Ken
From: Dave Huard [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:43 AM
To: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Subject: Re: ASK from Ken Fuller
Hi Ken,I primarily work in King County (99%) of the time.Thanksdh-RegardsDave HuardHuard Septic Design, LLCwww.septicdesign.netOn Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 10:26 AM Fuller, Ken (DOL) <[email protected]> wrote:
Correcting Dave’s email address.
Ken
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:24 AM
To: '[email protected]' <[email protected]>; '[email protected]'
<[email protected]>; '[email protected]' <[email protected]>;
'[email protected]' <[email protected]>; '[email protected]'
Cc: 'Meranda Lokey' <[email protected]>
Subject: FW: ASK from Ken Fuller
Good morning,
AS you may know the State of Washington Board of Registration has contracted with a consultant
to rewrite the specifics of the On-site Waste water design tests, and Meranda Lokey is our project
manager. We are now at the Beta Test stage where we need help from the design professionals to
determine the validity of the exam content, the difficulty of the questions, and the allowable time
to take the test.
Your names were provide by Chuck Ahrens from WOSA as possible candidates (knowing you work
outside of the Puget sound area) to gain a diverse review of this very important step. I appreciate
you all are very busy, therefore, If you could verify that you would be willing to take a small
amount of time to help us in the Beta test of the exam to me and to Meranda that would be
helpful in the next step.
Thank you, and feel free to contact me if you need clarification.
Ken Fuller, PE
541.647.7265
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
.
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:12 AM
To: Fuller, Ken (DOL) <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: ASK from Ken Fuller
Hi Ken,Attached are the names of some designers that are not in the Puget Sound Region that maybe able to help you with beta testing the exam.Becky Rieger - [email protected] L Schneider - [email protected] Stanaway - [email protected] Huard - [email protected] Tower - [email protected] you,Chuck Ahrens, Executive Director
253-770-6594: Office253-219-7233 : Cell253-770-0896 : Fax
The Washington Onsite Sewage Association"The Voice of the Industry"
This message (including any attachments) is intended for the use of the intended recipient(s)only and may contain information that is confidential, privileged or legally protected. Anyunauthorized use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you havereceived this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by return e-mailmessage and delete all copies of the original communication. Thank you for yourcooperation
--------- Original Message ---------Subject: ASK from Ken FullerFrom: "Fuller, Ken (DOL)" <[email protected]>Date: 3/14/19 8:22 amTo: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Hi Chuck,Thank you for the discussion today. To re-cap:
· BORPLES Onsite Designer Exam development. We need 5 names of experiences
but in the thick of work, designers, willing to BETA test the new exam. It would benice to have folks from outside of the Tacoma/Seattle area.
Ric’s list:
Larry Purdum 253.509.2579 [email protected]
Rod Left 360.509.2000 [email protected]
Randy Wilkerson [email protected]
Keith Pelzel [email protected]
Brian Potucek [email protected]
Lauren Wilkerson
· SB 5443 (Attached talking points) has passed the Senate 44/4/1 and is in the house
Consumer Protection and Business Committee (Representative Kirby is chair) with apotential hearing next week. We are looking for support to get this passed out ofcommittee and onto the floor for a vote (hopefully the Governor’s support to sign itinto law) .
Thank you and welcome back.Ken Fuller, PE541.647.7265Executive Director,Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and LandSurveyors
From: nate & becky rieger
To: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Subject: RE: ASK from Ken Fuller
Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 11:07:14 AM
Hi Ken,
I would be more than honored to help.
Thanks,
Becky RiegerLicensed Designer / Wetland Specialist
Environmental Design, LLC (360) 219-3343 901 L Street Centralia, WA 98531 www.environmentaldesignllc.net
On March 18, 2019 at 10:26 AM "Fuller, Ken (DOL)" wrote:
Correcting Dave’s email address.
Ken
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:24 AM
To: '[email protected]' ; '[email protected]' ; '[email protected]' ;
'[email protected]' ; '[email protected]'
Cc: 'Meranda Lokey'
Subject: FW: ASK from Ken Fuller
Good morning,
AS you may know the State of Washington Board of Registration has contracted with a
consultant to rewrite the specifics of the On-site Waste water design tests, and
Meranda Lokey is our project manager. We are now at the Beta Test stage where we
need help from the design professionals to determine the validity of the exam content,
the difficulty of the questions, and the allowable time to take the test.
Your names were provide by Chuck Ahrens from WOSA as possible candidates
(knowing you work outside of the Puget sound area) to gain a diverse review of this
very important step. I appreciate you all are very busy, therefore, If you could verify
that you would be willing to take a small amount of time to help us in the Beta test of
the exam to me and to Meranda that would be helpful in the next step.
Thank you, and feel free to contact me if you need clarification.
Ken Fuller, PE
541.647.7265
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
.
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:12 AM
To: Fuller, Ken (DOL) <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: ASK from Ken Fuller
Hi Ken,
Attached are the names of some designers that are not in the Puget Sound Regionthat may be able to help you with beta testing the exam.
Becky Rieger - [email protected]
Steven L Schneider - [email protected]
Eric Stanaway - [email protected]
David Huard - [email protected]
Keith Tower - [email protected]
Thank you,
Chuck Ahrens, Executive Director
253-770-6594: Office
253-219-7233 : Cell
253-770-0896 : Fax
The Washington Onsite Sewage Association"The Voice of the Industry"
This message (including any attachments) is intended for the use of the intendedrecipient(s) only and may contain information that is confidential, privileged orlegally protected. Any unauthorized use or dissemination of this communicationis strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please
immediately notify the sender by return e-mail message and delete all copies ofthe original communication. Thank you for your cooperation
--------- Original Message ---------
Subject: ASK from Ken FullerFrom: "Fuller, Ken (DOL)" <[email protected]>Date: 3/14/19 8:22 amTo: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Hi Chuck,
Thank you for the discussion today. To re-cap:
· BORPLES Onsite Designer Exam development. We need 5 names of
experiences but in the thick of work, designers, willing to BETA testthe new exam. It would be nice to have folks from outside of theTacoma/Seattle area.
Ric’s list:
Larry Purdum [email protected]
Rod Left [email protected]
Randy Wilkerson [email protected]
Keith Pelzel [email protected]
Brian Potucek [email protected]
Lauren Wilkerson
· SB 5443 (Attached talking points) has passed the Senate 44/4/1 and isin the house Consumer Protection and Business Committee(Representative Kirby is chair) with a potential hearing next week.We are looking for support to get this passed out of committee andonto the floor for a vote (hopefully the Governor’s support to sign itinto law) .
Thank you and welcome back.
Ken Fuller, PE
541.647.7265
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers
From: [email protected]
To: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Subject: RE: ASK from Ken Fuller
Date: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:12:18 AM
Hi Ken,Attached are the names of some designers that are not in the Puget Sound Region that may beable to help you with beta testing the exam.Becky Rieger - [email protected] L Schneider - [email protected] Stanaway - [email protected] Huard - [email protected] Tower - [email protected] you,Chuck Ahrens, Executive Director
253-770-6594: Office253-219-7233 : Cell253-770-0896 : Fax
The Washington Onsite Sewage Association"The Voice of the Industry"
This message (including any attachments) is intended for the use of the intended recipient(s)only and may contain information that is confidential, privileged or legally protected. Anyunauthorized use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you havereceived this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by return e-mailmessage and delete all copies of the original communication. Thank you for your cooperation
--------- Original Message ---------Subject: ASK from Ken FullerFrom: "Fuller, Ken (DOL)" Date: 3/14/19 8:22 amTo: "[email protected]"
Hi Chuck,
Thank you for the discussion today. To re-cap:
BORPLES Onsite Designer Exam development. We need 5 names of experiences but in
the thick of work, designers, willing to BETA test the new exam. It would be nice tohave folks from outside of the Tacoma/Seattle area.
Ric’s list:
Larry Purdum 253.509.2579 [email protected]
Rod Left 360.509.2000 [email protected]
Randy Wilkerson 253.380.4868 [email protected]
Keith Pelzel 253.208.9078 [email protected]
Brian Potucek 253.732.3792 [email protected]
Lauren Wilkerson
SB 5443 (Attached talking points) has passed the Senate 44/4/1 and is in the house
Consumer Protection and Business Committee (Representative Kirby is chair) with apotential hearing next week. We are looking for support to get this passed out ofcommittee and onto the floor for a vote (hopefully the Governor’s support to sign itinto law) .
Thank you and welcome back.
Ken Fuller, PE
541.647.7265
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and LandSurveyors
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
To: Leigh McIntire
Subject: FW: OK
Date: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 4:47:00 PM
Hi Leigh,
Thank you for your help on this.
Ken
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 4:43 PM
To: Marjorie Lund ; [email protected]; Ivan VanDeWege ; Hendrickson, Doug ; Gnanapragasam,
Nirmala ; Blaisdell, Aaron ; James Wengler ; Steven Collins ; [email protected]; Jon
Warren, P.L.S. (Bellevue) ([email protected]) ; [email protected]; Van
Collins ; [email protected]
Cc: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Subject: OK
Good afternoon,
SB 5443 has been assigned to the House appropriations committee. The Chair is from Spokane
(Timm Ormsby). WE need a grass root letter campaign to your legislators and at least to the 6
ranking (Majority and Minority) outlining your ask for support. Brief, budget neutral, important for
proactive outreach and education of the public and the professions, etc.… Let me know if you need
the talking points.
Here is what I sent to Chair Ormsby
Dear Chairman Ormsby,
Thank you for considering supporting SB 5443 which has been assigned to the House Appropriations
Committee. I have been in the Engineering and consulting field for over 30 years (mostly in the
private sector with Boeing, Weyerhaeuser, My own firm, and Young life) and have gained a great
respect for our Engineering and Land Surveyor Board. I have a residence in Lakewood, WA. Last year I
took on my current assignment, when the Board ask me to help in raising the ethical bar in our
professions as well as gaining a proactive and strategic influence within our State’s professions we
regulate. This pursuit led us to request the changes in statues included in this bill.
SB 5443 is a refinement to the mid-1900’s legislation which formulated the regulatory board to set
the qualifications and practice statutes and rule of the engineering and land surveying professions in
Washington State. The original statute created the board as an independent agency but did not
clearly set the budget authority, therefore the workings of our budget has been managed by the DOL
within an interagency agreement which has been confusing and inefficient. In simple terms, if
successfully signed into law, this bill will give the Board the budget management over the 024
account which will allow for a significant focus on outreach, ethics, and proactive education to the
public and our professionals, as well as continue to allow the great services the DOL does within the
licensing and certain administrative functions thru an interagency contract. Our funding is fully
covered by fees collected from our professions and there should be no fiscal impact to the State
General Fund.
Thank you very much for your time and service to the citizens of the State of Washington. On a
personal note, I managed the construction, as a consulting engineer to the State of Washington, for
the Washington State History Museum which won the 1997 NW Masonry Award.
With warmest regards,
Ken Fuller, PE
541.647.7265
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
Committee Members
Representative Room Phone
Ormsby, Timm (D)Chair
315 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7946
Bergquist, Steve (D)2nd Vice Chair
322 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7862
Robinson, June (D)1st Vice Chair
332 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7864
Stokesbary, Drew (R)Ranking Minority Member
411 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7846
MacEwen, Drew (R)Assistant Ranking Minority Member
434 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7902
Rude, Skyler (R)Assistant Ranking Minority Member
122G Legislative Building (360) 786-7828
Caldier, Michelle (R) 122H Legislative Building (360) 786-7802
Chandler, Bruce (R) 427B Legislative Building (360) 786-7960
Cody, Eileen (D) 303 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7978
Dolan, Laurie (D) 318 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7940
Dye, Mary (R) 432 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7942
Fitzgibbon, Joe (D) 308 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7952
Hansen, Drew (D) 370 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7842
Hoff, Larry (R) 406 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7812
Hudgins, Zack (D) 438A Legislative Building (360) 786-7956
Jinkins, Laurie (D) 320 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7930
Kraft, Vicki (R) 436 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7994
Macri, Nicole (D) 311 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7826
Mosbrucker, Gina (R) 431 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7856
Pettigrew, Eric (D) 434B Legislative Building (360) 786-7838
Pollet, Gerry (D) 132C Legislative Building (360) 786-7886
Ryu, Cindy (D) 421 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7880
Schmick, Joe (R) 426B Legislative Building (360) 786-7844
Senn, Tana (D) 368 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7894
Springer, Larry (D) 132E Legislative Building (360) 786-7822
Stanford, Derek (D) 327 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7928
Steele, Mike (R) 122F Legislative Building (360) 786-7832
Sullivan, Pat (D) 339A Legislative Building (360) 786-7858
Sutherland, Robert (R) 405 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7967
Tarleton, Gael (D) 429A Legislative Building (360) 786-7860
Tharinger, Steve (D) 314 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7904
Volz, Mike (R) 427 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7922
Ybarra, Alex (R) 469 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7808
Ken Fuller, PE
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
Cc: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Subject: BORPLES Legislative Action SB 5443
Date: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 5:40:00 PM
Attachments: BORPELS Talking Points_.pdfAtt. 2 AGO Opinion 1986.docxSB 5443.pdf
Dear Sara, Dan, and Scott,
This year BORPELS decided to pursue a legislative fix to our budget authority complexities with DOL.
The Bill is SB 5443 and has been gaining support (passed the Senate 44/4/1) and made it thru our
first house committee (13/0) to move onto the House Appropriations Committee. I have attached
the 1986 AG’s opinion which verified that the Board is a separate and standalone agency, but realize
the fees, and budget were assigned to the Director of DOL many years ago creating an inefficient
and somewhat complex separation of the responsibilities and authority.
This action will officially grant BORPLES its independence but allow for us to continue to contract
into DOL for administrative and licensing services. The Board will be able to manage the budget
(within State guidelines thru DES) and assign resources to strategic plans with education and
outreach into the professions and the public as a first priority.
I realize this email comes with a bit of a shock, but I would appreciate you all sending emails to the
Chair Timm Ormsby and a few of the legislators on the committee requesting their support.
Committee Members
Representative Room Phone
Ormsby, Timm (D)Chair
315 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7946
Bergquist, Steve (D)2nd Vice Chair
322 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7862
Robinson, June (D)1st Vice Chair
332 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7864
Stokesbary, Drew (R)Ranking Minority Member
411 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7846
MacEwen, Drew (R)Assistant Ranking Minority Member
434 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7902
Rude, Skyler (R)Assistant Ranking Minority Member
122G Legislative Building (360) 786-7828
Caldier, Michelle (R) 122H Legislative Building (360) 786-7802
Chandler, Bruce (R) 427B Legislative Building (360) 786-7960
Cody, Eileen (D) 303 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7978
Dolan, Laurie (D) 318 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7940
Dye, Mary (R) 432 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7942
Fitzgibbon, Joe (D) 308 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7952
Hansen, Drew (D) 370 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7842
Hoff, Larry (R) 406 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7812
Hudgins, Zack (D) 438A Legislative Building (360) 786-7956
Jinkins, Laurie (D) 320 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7930
Kraft, Vicki (R) 436 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7994
Macri, Nicole (D) 311 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7826
Mosbrucker, Gina (R) 431 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7856
Pettigrew, Eric (D) 434B Legislative Building (360) 786-7838
Pollet, Gerry (D) 132C Legislative Building (360) 786-7886
Ryu, Cindy (D) 421 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7880
Schmick, Joe (R) 426B Legislative Building (360) 786-7844
Senn, Tana (D) 368 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7894
Springer, Larry (D) 132E Legislative Building (360) 786-7822
Stanford, Derek (D) 327 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7928
Steele, Mike (R) 122F Legislative Building (360) 786-7832
Sullivan, Pat (D) 339A Legislative Building (360) 786-7858
Sutherland, Robert (R) 405 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7967
Tarleton, Gael (D) 429A Legislative Building (360) 786-7860
Tharinger, Steve (D) 314 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7904
Volz, Mike (R) 427 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7922
Ybarra, Alex (R) 469 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7808
Thank you and let me know what questions you may have.
Ken Fuller, PE
541.647.7265
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
Lakewood, WA 98499-1306
Telephone 253.584.2404
On March 29, 2019 at 11:19 AM "Fuller, Ken (DOL)"<[email protected]> wrote:
Good morning,
Would you all be able to ask a few of your select Designers, Engineer’s, LandSurveyors if they would send out a email requesting support of SB 5443? It wouldbe great if we could get letters to each of the legislators from the professions.
The attached excel sheet has the contact emails for the committee, we have foundit best to email and not use the portal.
Thank you,
Ken
541.647.7265
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL) Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 11:04 AMTo: 'Marjorie Lund' <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Hendrickson,Doug <[email protected]>; 'Ivan VanDeWege'<[email protected]>; '[email protected]'<[email protected]>; 'James Wengler' <[email protected]>;Gnanapragasam, Nirmala <[email protected]>Subject: SB 5443, House Appropriations Committee Grass Roots email's
Good morning,
I have spoken with Cliff Webster regarding the best path forward for this bill. Hesuggested a “grass roots” letter (email campaign) to all of the committeemembers.
All of us have already started this so it may be a bit late to change up. I amattaching a excel sheet with all of the house appropriations committee memberswith emails and LA contacts (for the D’s, the R’s do not show these) and acondensed bio along with suggested assignments. If you are willing to write 10 orso emails please do so, if you have already sent out emails then credit yourself.
Cliff suggested not using the Portal, which is shown as the access for most of the“D’s”. It is best to send an email directly to the Representative and cc their LA’s(for the D’s). I have had good luck with getting letters to them. In reality theLegislative assistants are the ones who pick up the emails and brief theRepresentatives.
Keep it very brief with a personal touch.
A few examples:
Dear Representative Ryu , (from Ken)
Thank you for your support of SB 5443. I have been in theEngineering and consulting field for over 30 years (mostly in theprivate sector with Boeing, Weyerhaeuser, My own firm, andYoung life) and have gained a great respect for our Engineeringand Land Surveyor Board. I have a resident in Lakewood. Lastyear I accepted my current assignment, when the Board ask me tohelp in raising the ethical bar in our profession as well as gaininga proactive and strategic influence as our country is seeing a needto step up our professional ethic in our professions. This pursuitled us to request the changes in statues included in this bill.
SB 5443 is a refinement to the mid-1900’s legislation whichformulated the regulatory board to set the qualifications andpractice statutes and rule of the engineering and land surveyingprofessions in Washington State. The original statute created theboard as an independent agency but did not clearly set the budgetauthority, therefore the workings of our budget has been in controlof the DOL with an interagency agreement giving us the operatingjuice. In simple terms, if successfully signed into law, this bill willgive the Board the budget management over the 024 account whichwill allow for a significant focus on outreach, ethics, and proactiveeducation to the public and our professionals, as well as continueto allow the great services the DOL does within the licensing andcertain administrative functions thru an interagency contract.
Thank you very much for your time and service to the citizens ofthe State of Washington. I also believe it will take all of ourprofessions to step up to mentorship of our youth to lead to a betterplace and cleaner waters.
With warmest regards,
One From Steve
Dear Representative Volz,
I am writing to you to request your support for SB5443. This legislation would
greatly assist the Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land
Surveyors (BORPELS) in the administration of its responsibilities regarding the
oversight of qualifications and conduct of the professionals that have significant
responsibility for the health and safety of Washington citizens. I am a registered
professional engineer with over forty years in the consulting business in
Spokane. I have been serving on the Board for nearly nine years and have a
keen understanding of the importance of this bill with regard to the ability of the
Board to carry out its legislative charge.
SB 5443 is a refinement to the mid-1900’s legislation which formulated the
engineering and land surveyors regulatory board to set the qualifications and
practice statutes and rule of these professions in Washington State. The original
statute created the board as an independent agency but did not clearly set the
budget authority. Consequently, the administration of our budget has been
managed by the DOL with an interagency agreement that has been somewhat
confusing and inefficient. In simple terms, if successfully signed into law, this bill
will give the Board the budget management over the 024 account which will allow
for more significant and timely focus on outreach, ethics, and proactive education
to the public and our professionals, as well as continue to allow the great
services the DOL offers within the licensing and certain administrative functions
through an interagency contract. The Board is fully and independently funded
through the fees collected from the professions, and we have full support of the
associations representing the professions.
I would like to personally thank you for your time and service to the citizens of the
State, and particularly Eastern Washington.
Thank you for your thoughtful consideration of this legislation.
Let me know if I can help. Thank you. We have been getting a great response.
Ken Fuller, PE
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and LandSurveyors
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
To: Steven Collins; Jon Warren, P.L.S. (Bellevue) ([email protected]); [email protected];[email protected]; [email protected]; RICHARD WILKERSON
Cc: Kd Fuller
Subject: FW: SB 5443, House Appropriations Committee Grass Roots email"s
Date: Friday, March 29, 2019 11:19:00 AM
Attachments: Appropriations.xlsx
Good morning,
Would you all be able to ask a few of your select Designers, Engineer’s, Land Surveyors if they would
send out a email requesting support of SB 5443? It would be great if we could get letters to each of
the legislators from the professions.
The attached excel sheet has the contact emails for the committee, we have found it best to email
and not use the portal.
Thank you,
Ken
541.647.7265
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 11:04 AM
To: 'Marjorie Lund' ; [email protected]; Hendrickson, Doug ; 'Ivan VanDeWege' ;
'[email protected]' ; 'James Wengler' ; Gnanapragasam, Nirmala
Subject: SB 5443, House Appropriations Committee Grass Roots email's
Good morning,
I have spoken with Cliff Webster regarding the best path forward for this bill. He suggested a “grass
roots” letter (email campaign) to all of the committee members.
All of us have already started this so it may be a bit late to change up. I am attaching a excel sheet
with all of the house appropriations committee members with emails and LA contacts (for the D’s,
the R’s do not show these) and a condensed bio along with suggested assignments. If you are willing
to write 10 or so emails please do so, if you have already sent out emails then credit yourself.
Cliff suggested not using the Portal, which is shown as the access for most of the “D’s”. It is best to
send an email directly to the Representative and cc their LA’s (for the D’s). I have had good luck with
getting letters to them. In reality the Legislative assistants are the ones who pick up the emails and
brief the Representatives.
Keep it very brief with a personal touch.
A few examples:
Dear Representative Ryu , (from Ken)
Thank you for your support of SB 5443. I have been in the Engineering and consulting
field for over 30 years (mostly in the private sector with Boeing, Weyerhaeuser, My
own firm, and Young life) and have gained a great respect for our Engineering and
Land Surveyor Board. I have a resident in Lakewood. Last year I accepted my current
assignment, when the Board ask me to help in raising the ethical bar in our
profession as well as gaining a proactive and strategic influence as our country is
seeing a need to step up our professional ethic in our professions. This pursuit led us
to request the changes in statues included in this bill.
SB 5443 is a refinement to the mid-1900’s legislation which formulated the
regulatory board to set the qualifications and practice statutes and rule of the
engineering and land surveying professions in Washington State. The original statute
created the board as an independent agency but did not clearly set the budget
authority, therefore the workings of our budget has been in control of the DOL with
an interagency agreement giving us the operating juice. In simple terms, if
successfully signed into law, this bill will give the Board the budget management over
the 024 account which will allow for a significant focus on outreach, ethics, and
proactive education to the public and our professionals, as well as continue to allow
the great services the DOL does within the licensing and certain administrative
functions thru an interagency contract.
Thank you very much for your time and service to the citizens of the State of
Washington. I also believe it will take all of our professions to step up to mentorship
of our youth to lead to a better place and cleaner waters.
With warmest regards,
One From SteveDear Representative Volz,
I am writing to you to request your support for SB5443. This legislation would greatly assist the
Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors (BORPELS) in the
administration of its responsibilities regarding the oversight of qualifications and conduct of the
professionals that have significant responsibility for the health and safety of Washington citizens.
I am a registered professional engineer with over forty years in the consulting business in
Spokane. I have been serving on the Board for nearly nine years and have a keen
understanding of the importance of this bill with regard to the ability of the Board to carry out its
legislative charge.
SB 5443 is a refinement to the mid-1900’s legislation which formulated the engineering and land
surveyors regulatory board to set the qualifications and practice statutes and rule of these
professions in Washington State. The original statute created the board as an independent
agency but did not clearly set the budget authority. Consequently, the administration of our
budget has been managed by the DOL with an interagency agreement that has been somewhat
confusing and inefficient. In simple terms, if successfully signed into law, this bill will give the
Board the budget management over the 024 account which will allow for more significant and
timely focus on outreach, ethics, and proactive education to the public and our professionals, as
well as continue to allow the great services the DOL offers within the licensing and certain
administrative functions through an interagency contract. The Board is fully and independently
funded through the fees collected from the professions, and we have full support of the
associations representing the professions.
I would like to personally thank you for your time and service to the citizens of the State, and
particularly Eastern Washington.
Thank you for your thoughtful consideration of this legislation.
Let me know if I can help. Thank you. We have been getting a great response.
Ken Fuller, PE
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
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From: [email protected]
To: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Subject: RE: FW: SB 5443, House Appropriations Committee Grass Roots email"s
Date: Friday, March 29, 2019 12:56:24 PM
Hi Ken,I have forwarded on your request to our engineering and on-site designer board members ...hoping they will respond to your call for a grass roots email effort. On behalf of WOSSA andits members I will be drafting a letter of support for SB 5443 as well. Thank you for puttingforth the time and effort on behalf of our industry, it is greatly appreciated.Sincerely,Chuck Ahrens, Executive Director
253-770-6594: Office253-219-7233 : Cell253-770-0896 : Fax
The Washington Onsite Sewage Association"The Voice of the Industry"
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--------- Original Message ---------Subject: FW: SB 5443, House Appropriations Committee Grass Roots email'sFrom: "Fuller, Ken (DOL)" Date: 3/29/19 11:19 amTo: "Steven Collins" , "Jon Warren, P.L.S. (Bellevue) ([email protected])" ,"[email protected]" , "[email protected]" ,"[email protected]" , "RICHARD WILKERSON" Cc: "Kd Fuller"
Good morning,
Would you all be able to ask a few of your select Designers, Engineer’s, LandSurveyors if they would send out a email requesting support of SB 5443? It would begreat if we could get letters to each of the legislators from the professions.
The attached excel sheet has the contact emails for the committee, we have found itbest to email and not use the portal.
Thank you,
Ken
541.647.7265
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL) Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 11:04 AMTo: 'Marjorie Lund' ; [email protected]; Hendrickson, Doug ; 'Ivan VanDeWege' ;'[email protected]' ; 'James Wengler' ; Gnanapragasam, Nirmala Subject: SB 5443, House Appropriations Committee Grass Roots email's
Good morning,
I have spoken with Cliff Webster regarding the best path forward for this bill. Hesuggested a “grass roots” letter (email campaign) to all of the committee members.
All of us have already started this so it may be a bit late to change up. I am attaching aexcel sheet with all of the house appropriations committee members with emails andLA contacts (for the D’s, the R’s do not show these) and a condensed bio along withsuggested assignments. If you are willing to write 10 or so emails please do so, if youhave already sent out emails then credit yourself.
Cliff suggested not using the Portal, which is shown as the access for most of the“D’s”. It is best to send an email directly to the Representative and cc their LA’s (forthe D’s). I have had good luck with getting letters to them. In reality the Legislativeassistants are the ones who pick up the emails and brief the Representatives.
Keep it very brief with a personal touch.
A few examples:
Dear Representative Ryu , (from Ken)
Thank you for your support of SB 5443. I have been in the Engineeringand consulting field for over 30 years (mostly in the private sector withBoeing, Weyerhaeuser, My own firm, and Young life) and have gaineda great respect for our Engineering and Land Surveyor Board. I have aresident in Lakewood. Last year I accepted my current assignment,when the Board ask me to help in raising the ethical bar in ourprofession as well as gaining a proactive and strategic influence as ourcountry is seeing a need to step up our professional ethic in ourprofessions. This pursuit led us to request the changes in statuesincluded in this bill.
SB 5443 is a refinement to the mid-1900’s legislation which formulatedthe regulatory board to set the qualifications and practice statutes andrule of the engineering and land surveying professions in WashingtonState. The original statute created the board as an independent agencybut did not clearly set the budget authority, therefore the workings ofour budget has been in control of the DOL with an interagencyagreement giving us the operating juice. In simple terms, if successfullysigned into law, this bill will give the Board the budget managementover the 024 account which will allow for a significant focus onoutreach, ethics, and proactive education to the public and ourprofessionals, as well as continue to allow the great services the DOLdoes within the licensing and certain administrative functions thru an
interagency contract.
Thank you very much for your time and service to the citizens of theState of Washington. I also believe it will take all of our professions tostep up to mentorship of our youth to lead to a better place and cleanerwaters.
With warmest regards,
One From Steve
Dear Representative Volz,
I am writing to you to request your support for SB5443. This legislation would greatly
assist the Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
(BORPELS) in the administration of its responsibilities regarding the oversight of
qualifications and conduct of the professionals that have significant responsibility for
the health and safety of Washington citizens. I am a registered professional engineer
with over forty years in the consulting business in Spokane. I have been serving on the
Board for nearly nine years and have a keen understanding of the importance of this
bill with regard to the ability of the Board to carry out its legislative charge.
SB 5443 is a refinement to the mid-1900’s legislation which formulated the engineering
and land surveyors regulatory board to set the qualifications and practice statutes and
rule of these professions in Washington State. The original statute created the board
as an independent agency but did not clearly set the budget authority. Consequently,
the administration of our budget has been managed by the DOL with an interagency
agreement that has been somewhat confusing and inefficient. In simple terms, if
successfully signed into law, this bill will give the Board the budget management over
the 024 account which will allow for more significant and timely focus on outreach,
ethics, and proactive education to the public and our professionals, as well as continue
to allow the great services the DOL offers within the licensing and certain
administrative functions through an interagency contract. The Board is fully and
independently funded through the fees collected from the professions, and we have full
support of the associations representing the professions.
I would like to personally thank you for your time and service to the citizens of the
State, and particularly Eastern Washington.
Thank you for your thoughtful consideration of this legislation.
Let me know if I can help. Thank you. We have been getting a great response.
Ken Fuller, PE
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and LandSurveyors
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
To: RICHARD WILKERSON
Subject: RE: FW: SB 5443, House Appropriations Committee Grass Roots email"s
Date: Thursday, April 04, 2019 7:00:00 PM
Thank you brother.
Ken
From: RICHARD WILKERSON [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019 6:28 PM
To: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Subject: Re: FW: SB 5443, House Appropriations Committee Grass Roots email's
Ken,
Sent following to everyone on the committee list.
RE: SB 5443
Dear Representative ,
I am writing to you today to respectfully request your support for SB 5443. As a professionalonsite wastewater designer with over 30 years of experience, I have been involved with bothlocal health jurisdictions and Washington State Boards of Health and Engineering, Surveyingand Wastewater Designers. Over the past year, I have had the pleasure of working with theExecutive Director of the Board of Engineers, Ken Fuller, assisting the Board in revising andupdating the State Designer test as well as reviewing proposed policies and protocols relatedto disciplinary and educational programs.
SB 5443 is a refinement to previous legislation regulating the Engineering Board which set thequalifications and practice statutes and rules of the engineering and land surveying professionsin Washington State. Onsite wastewater designers were added to the Board purview in 2000.The original statute created the board as an independent agency but did not clearly set thebudget authority, therefore budget authority has been in the control of the Department ofLicensing with an interagency agreement giving the Board operating input. In simple terms, ifsuccessfully signed into law, this bill will give the Board budget management over the 024account which will allow for a significant change of focus on outreach, ethics, and proactiveeducation to both the public and professionals subject to, and regulated by the Board. TheDOL would continue to perform administrative functions through an interagency contract withthe Board.
Thank you for taking the time to read my correspondence. I appreciate your service to thecitizens of the State of Washington.
Respectfully,
Richard Wilkerson
Richard L. Wilkerson & Associates, Inc.
6712 Glen Echo Lane SW
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
To: Ayers, Tod (DOL)
Subject: Ethics Discussion on Legislative Process for proposed Statute Change
Date: Monday, April 08, 2019 10:17:09 AM
Good morning Todd,
Our Board has worked to place a bill before the Washington State Legislation this year (SB 5443).
Senator VanDeWege has sponsored this bill and it is moving its way thru the process. I have read the
Ethics Briefing you sent out and am interested in gaining more information as to my role in this
process.
May I give you a call?
Ken Fuller, PE
541.647.7265
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
To: Richard Larson
Subject: RE: House Appropriations Committee meeting
Date: Friday, April 05, 2019 5:30:00 PM
Hi Rich,
Thank you. The bill most likely will not be in line until after noon. Perhaps we can talk tomorrow.
Most likely we will not be testifying but just there for questions. Let talk tomorrow. Ken
From: Richard Larson [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2019 4:27 PM
To: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Cc: Ivan VanDeWege ; James Wengler ; Blaisdell, Aaron ; Marjorie Lund ; Gnanapragasam, Nirmala ;
Hendrickson, Doug ; [email protected]; McGowan, Kenneth ; Van Collins ; Steven Collins ;
Subject: Re: House Appropriations Committee meeting
I can be there.
Rich
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 4, 2019, at 2:59 PM, Fuller, Ken (DOL) <[email protected]> wrote:
Good afternoon,
SB 5443 has been scheduled for Appropriations for Sat April 6 at 9:00 am with 36 other Bills. Cliff let
me know that they most likely will go in the order listed so we are 35/39. Therefore, depending on
the 34 Bills in front of us our bill may not be presented until after noon. The advice given is to be
very short and present less than 1 minute with a very low impact fiscal note discussion and be
available to answer questions. If one of you are available to discuss and want to spend your Saturday
with me in Olympia that would be great. I will go into the meeting at 9:00. Let me know if you want
and can be there. Everyone believes the bill will pass thru without much of a hitch.
Thank you,
Ken Fuller, PE
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: RE: BORPLES Legislative Action SB 5443
Date: Monday, April 08, 2019 5:59:00 PM
Hi Sara and Scott,
We are at the wire on getting this through the House Appropriations committee. Could you send a
short Email to Rep. Timm Ormsby asking him to please move this forward out of committee onto the
floor. I am reaching out to you lat but it would need to be done tonite if you are willing.
Thank you,
Ken Fuller
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 5:40 PM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
Cc: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Subject: BORPLES Legislative Action SB 5443
Dear Sara, Dan, and Scott,
This year BORPELS decided to pursue a legislative fix to our budget authority complexities with DOL.
The Bill is SB 5443 and has been gaining support (passed the Senate 44/4/1) and made it thru our
first house committee (13/0) to move onto the House Appropriations Committee. I have attached
the 1986 AG’s opinion which verified that the Board is a separate and standalone agency, but realize
the fees, and budget were assigned to the Director of DOL many years ago creating an inefficient
and somewhat complex separation of the responsibilities and authority.
This action will officially grant BORPLES its independence but allow for us to continue to contract
into DOL for administrative and licensing services. The Board will be able to manage the budget
(within State guidelines thru DES) and assign resources to strategic plans with education and
outreach into the professions and the public as a first priority.
I realize this email comes with a bit of a shock, but I would appreciate you all sending emails to the
Chair Timm Ormsby and a few of the legislators on the committee requesting their support.
Committee Members
Representative Room Phone
Ormsby, Timm (D)Chair
315 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7946
Bergquist, Steve (D)2nd Vice Chair
322 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7862
Robinson, June (D)1st Vice Chair
332 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7864
Stokesbary, Drew (R)Ranking Minority Member
411 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7846
MacEwen, Drew (R)Assistant Ranking Minority Member
434 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7902
Rude, Skyler (R)Assistant Ranking Minority Member
122G Legislative Building (360) 786-7828
Caldier, Michelle (R) 122H Legislative Building (360) 786-7802
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
To: James Wengler
Subject: FW: SB 5443 Need phone calls to the Committee members
Date: Monday, April 08, 2019 11:22:00 AM
Attachments: Appropriations Committee.xlsx
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 11:10 AM
To: '[email protected]' ; 'James Wengler' ; 'Marjorie Lund' ; [email protected]; Hendrickson,
Doug ; 'Ivan VanDeWege' ; Gnanapragasam, Nirmala ; [email protected]; Steven Collins ;
Chun Lau ; 'Richard Larson' ; 'RICHARD WILKERSON' ; '[email protected]' ; Beehler, Pat
(DNR) ; [email protected]; Van Collins ; '[email protected]' ; 'Warren,
Jon P.' ; 'Derek Pohle'
Subject: SB 5443 Need phone calls to the Committee members
Good morning,
Our hearing before the House Appropriation Committee this Saturday apparently did not go well.
We had one person testify in the “con” and the house members are uncomfortable with that. Could
you call a few of the members on the Appropriations committee and let them know of your support
and ask them to vote this onto the floor? The committee names and phone numbers are attached in
a excel sheet
Thank you,
Ken Fuller, PE
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
Representative Phone
Ormsby, Timm (D)
Chair
Bergquist, Steve (D)
2nd Vice Chair
Robinson, June (D)
1st Vice Chair
Stokesbary, Drew (R)
Ranking Minority Member
MacEwen, Drew (R)
Assistant Ranking Minority
Member
Rude, Skyler (R)
Assistant Ranking Minority
Member
Caldier, Michelle (R) (360) 786-7802
Chandler, Bruce (R) (360) 786-7960
Cody, Eileen (D) (360) 786-7978
Dolan, Laurie (D) (360) 786-7940
Dye, Mary (R) (360) 786-7942
Fitzgibbon, Joe (D) (360) 786-7952
Hansen, Drew (D) (360) 786-7842
Hoff, Larry (R) (360) 786-7812
Hudgins, Zack (D) (360) 786-7956
Jinkins, Laurie (D) (360) 786-7930
Kraft, Vicki (R) (360) 786-7994
Macri, Nicole (D) (360) 786-7826
Mosbrucker, Gina (R) (360) 786-7856
Pettigrew, Eric (D) (360) 786-7838
Pollet, Gerry (D) (360) 786-7886
Ryu, Cindy (D) (360) 786-7880
Schmick, Joe (R) (360) 786-7844
(360) 786-7846
(360) 786-7902
(360) 786-7828
(360) 786-7946
(360) 786-7862
(360) 786-7864
Senn, Tana (D) (360) 786-7894
Springer, Larry (D) (360) 786-7822
Stanford, Derek (D) (360) 786-7928
Steele, Mike (R) (360) 786-7832
Sullivan, Pat (D) (360) 786-7858
Sutherland, Robert (R) (360) 786-7967
Tarleton, Gael (D) (360) 786-7860
Tharinger, Steve (D) (360) 786-7904
Volz, Mike (R) (360) 786-7922
Ybarra, Alex (R) (360) 786-7808
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Subject: FW: SB 5443 Need phone calls to the Committee members
Date: Monday, April 08, 2019 1:29:00 PM
Attachments: Appropriations Committee.xlsx
Hi Dan,
Would you have a bit of time to contact your local representatives on the House Appropriations
committee to ask for them to move SB 5443 out of committee and onto the floor. We presented this
to the appropriations committee on Saturday and up until that hearing we had no negative
comments. One PE spoke at the hearing in the nay, and right after that things stalled out.
This bill fully separates the BORPELS budget from DOL. Let me know if you are willing and need a bit
more information.
Thank you,
Ken Fuller, PE
541.647.7265
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 11:10 AM
To: '[email protected]' ; 'James Wengler' ; 'Marjorie Lund' ; [email protected]; Hendrickson,
Doug ; 'Ivan VanDeWege' ; Gnanapragasam, Nirmala ; [email protected]; Steven Collins ;
Chun Lau ; 'Richard Larson' ; 'RICHARD WILKERSON' ; '[email protected]' ; Beehler, Pat
(DNR) ; [email protected]; Van Collins ; '[email protected]' ; 'Warren,
Jon P.' ; 'Derek Pohle'
Subject: SB 5443 Need phone calls to the Committee members
Good morning,
Our hearing before the House Appropriation Committee this Saturday apparently did not go well.
We had one person testify in the “con” and the house members are uncomfortable with that. Could
you call a few of the members on the Appropriations committee and let them know of your support
and ask them to vote this onto the floor? The committee names and phone numbers are attached in
a excel sheet
Thank you,
Ken Fuller, PE
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
Representative Phone
Ormsby, Timm (D)
Chair
Bergquist, Steve (D)
2nd Vice Chair
Robinson, June (D)
1st Vice Chair
Stokesbary, Drew (R)
Ranking Minority Member
MacEwen, Drew (R)
Assistant Ranking Minority
Member
Rude, Skyler (R)
Assistant Ranking Minority
Member
Caldier, Michelle (R) (360) 786-7802
Chandler, Bruce (R) (360) 786-7960
Cody, Eileen (D) (360) 786-7978
Dolan, Laurie (D) (360) 786-7940
Dye, Mary (R) (360) 786-7942
Fitzgibbon, Joe (D) (360) 786-7952
Hansen, Drew (D) (360) 786-7842
Hoff, Larry (R) (360) 786-7812
Hudgins, Zack (D) (360) 786-7956
Jinkins, Laurie (D) (360) 786-7930
Kraft, Vicki (R) (360) 786-7994
Macri, Nicole (D) (360) 786-7826
Mosbrucker, Gina (R) (360) 786-7856
Pettigrew, Eric (D) (360) 786-7838
Pollet, Gerry (D) (360) 786-7886
Ryu, Cindy (D) (360) 786-7880
Schmick, Joe (R) (360) 786-7844
(360) 786-7846
(360) 786-7902
(360) 786-7828
(360) 786-7946
(360) 786-7862
(360) 786-7864
Senn, Tana (D) (360) 786-7894
Springer, Larry (D) (360) 786-7822
Stanford, Derek (D) (360) 786-7928
Steele, Mike (R) (360) 786-7832
Sullivan, Pat (D) (360) 786-7858
Sutherland, Robert (R) (360) 786-7967
Tarleton, Gael (D) (360) 786-7860
Tharinger, Steve (D) (360) 786-7904
Volz, Mike (R) (360) 786-7922
Ybarra, Alex (R) (360) 786-7808
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Subject: FW: SB 5443 Need phone calls to the Committee members
Date: Monday, April 08, 2019 1:53:00 PM
Attachments: Appropriations.xlsx
Hi Mitch,
I will give you a call regarding this.
Ken
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 1:33 PM
To: '[email protected]' ; 'James Wengler' ; 'Marjorie Lund' ; '[email protected]' ; Hendrickson,
Doug ; 'Ivan VanDeWege' ; 'Gnanapragasam, Nirmala' ; '[email protected]' ; 'Steven
Collins' ; 'Chun Lau' ; 'Richard Larson' ; 'RICHARD WILKERSON' ; '[email protected]' ;
Beehler, Pat (DNR) ; '[email protected]' ; 'Van Collins' ;
'[email protected]' ; 'Warren, Jon P.' ; 'Derek Pohle'
Subject: RE: SB 5443 Need phone calls to the Committee members
Updated merged file with phone numbers.
Ken
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 11:10 AM
To: '[email protected]' <[email protected]>; 'James Wengler'
<[email protected]>; 'Marjorie Lund' <[email protected]>; [email protected];
Hendrickson, Doug <[email protected]>; 'Ivan VanDeWege'
<[email protected]>; Gnanapragasam, Nirmala <[email protected]>;
[email protected]; Steven Collins <[email protected]>; Chun Lau <[email protected]>;
'Richard Larson' <[email protected]>; 'RICHARD WILKERSON'
<[email protected]>; '[email protected]' <[email protected]>;
Beehler, Pat (DNR) <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Van Collins
<[email protected]>; '[email protected]'
<[email protected]>; 'Warren, Jon P.' <[email protected]>; 'Derek
Pohle' <[email protected]>
Subject: SB 5443 Need phone calls to the Committee members
Good morning,
Our hearing before the House Appropriation Committee this Saturday apparently did not go well.
We had one person testify in the “con” and the house members are uncomfortable with that. Could
you call a few of the members on the Appropriations committee and let them know of your support
and ask them to vote this onto the floor? The committee names and phone numbers are attached in
a excel sheet
Thank you,
Ken Fuller, PE
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
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From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
To: Daniel B. Clark
Subject: RE: SB 5443 Need phone calls to the Committee members
Date: Monday, April 08, 2019 2:57:00 PM
Thank you Dan. Ken
From: Daniel B. Clark [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 2:34 PM
To: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Subject: RE: SB 5443 Need phone calls to the Committee members
Ken,
I texted Timm Ormsby and told him it is important to the professions of engineering and land
surveying to get this bill to the floor. Dan
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL) [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 1:29 PMTo: [email protected]: FW: SB 5443 Need phone calls to the Committee members
Hi Dan,
Would you have a bit of time to contact your local representatives on the House Appropriations
committee to ask for them to move SB 5443 out of committee and onto the floor. We presented this
to the appropriations committee on Saturday and up until that hearing we had no negative
comments. One PE spoke at the hearing in the nay, and right after that things stalled out.
This bill fully separates the BORPELS budget from DOL. Let me know if you are willing and need a bit
more information.
Thank you,
Ken Fuller, PE
541.647.7265
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 11:10 AM
To: '[email protected]' <[email protected]>; 'James Wengler'
<[email protected]>; 'Marjorie Lund' <[email protected]>; [email protected];
Hendrickson, Doug <[email protected]>; 'Ivan VanDeWege'
<[email protected]>; Gnanapragasam, Nirmala <[email protected]>;
[email protected]; Steven Collins <[email protected]>; Chun Lau <[email protected]>;
'Richard Larson' <[email protected]>; 'RICHARD WILKERSON'
<[email protected]>; '[email protected]' <[email protected]>;
Beehler, Pat (DNR) <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Van Collins
<[email protected]>; '[email protected]'
<[email protected]>; 'Warren, Jon P.' <[email protected]>; 'Derek
Pohle' <[email protected]>
Subject: SB 5443 Need phone calls to the Committee members
Good morning,
Our hearing before the House Appropriation Committee this Saturday apparently did not go well.
We had one person testify in the “con” and the house members are uncomfortable with that. Could
you call a few of the members on the Appropriations committee and let them know of your support
and ask them to vote this onto the floor? The committee names and phone numbers are attached in
a excel sheet
Thank you,
Ken Fuller, PE
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
To: Kd Fuller
Subject: FW: SB 5443 is needing Immediate help
Date: Monday, April 08, 2019 4:23:00 PM
Attachments: Appropriations.xlsx
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 4:22 PM
To: Blaisdell, Aaron ; 'James Wengler' ; 'Marjorie Lund' ; '[email protected]' ; Hendrickson, Doug ;
'Ivan VanDeWege' ; 'Gnanapragasam, Nirmala' ; '[email protected]' ; 'Steven Collins' ;
'Chun Lau' ; 'Richard Larson' ; 'RICHARD WILKERSON' ; '[email protected]' ; Beehler, Pat
(DNR) ; '[email protected]' ; 'Van Collins' ; '[email protected]' ;
'Warren, Jon P.' ; 'Derek Pohle' ; 'Daniel B. Clark' ; '[email protected]'
Subject: SB 5443 is needing Immediate help
Hi all,
It is our understanding the bill is under real threat of not getting pulled out of committee. Could you
make a real effort of attempting to call or email and get the work out for others to do the same…
Today, Please. If it is not pulled today we are done…
Thank you
Ken Fuller, PE
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
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Dear Representative ___:
As President of the Washington Society of Professional Engineers (WSPE), I am requesting your support ofSubstitute Senate Bill 5443 concerning the Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors(BORPELS).
An affiliated state society of the National Society of Professional Engineers, WSPE consists of 189 individualmembers who are registered Professional Engineers (PEs) or Engineering Interns on the path to become PEs. Whilewe represent all the main fields of engineering, we are bound by a common ethical obligation to “hold paramountthe health, safety, and welfare of the public” in our engineering practice.
As our licensing board, BORPELS serves a vital function in helping us keep the residents of our state safe fromunscrupulous, incompetent, and unethical engineering practice. It also helps in spreading awareness of our ethicaland legal responsibilities as engineers, educating the public about our profession, and preparing new generations ofgraduating engineers for entry into the profession. By clearly delineating the statutory functions of BORPELS andestablishing it as an independent agency, SSB 5443 will free it to focus on these functions in which it excels, thusenhancing its ability to serve its constituency of current and aspiring professionals, as well as the residents of ourstate.
As an engineering educator, I consider one of my greatest obligations to be the preparation of my students forlicensure as Professional Engineers. With the knowledge and tools to bend nature to our will, engineers have thecapacity to do great harm as well as great good. Licensure serves as a means of holding my profession accountablefor the consequences of its practices. For that, we need a strong, independent state board. For us, that board isBORPELS. Please vote “yes” on SSB 5443.
Sincerely,
Steven W. Collins, PhD, PEPresident, Washington Society of Professional Engineers(425) 463-8432
> On Apr 8, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Fuller, Ken (DOL) <[email protected]> wrote:>> And please forward this to anyone you know is supportive of this bill.> > Ken> > From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 4:22 PM> To: Blaisdell, Aaron <[email protected]>; 'James Wengler' <[email protected]>; 'MarjorieLund' <[email protected]>; '[email protected]' <[email protected]>; Hendrickson, Doug<[email protected]>; 'Ivan VanDeWege' <[email protected]>; 'Gnanapragasam, Nirmala'<[email protected]>; '[email protected]' <[email protected]>; 'Steven Collins'<[email protected]>; 'Chun Lau' <[email protected]>; 'Richard Larson' <[email protected]>;'RICHARD WILKERSON' <[email protected]>; '[email protected]'<[email protected]>; Beehler, Pat (DNR) <[email protected]>; '[email protected]'<[email protected]>; 'Van Collins' <[email protected]>; '[email protected]'<[email protected]>; 'Warren, Jon P.' <[email protected]>; 'Derek Pohle'<[email protected]>; 'Daniel B. Clark' <[email protected]>; '[email protected]'<[email protected]>> Subject: SB 5443 is needing Immediate help
> > Hi all,> > It is our understanding the bill is under real threat of not getting pulled out of committee. Could you make a realeffort of attempting to call or email and get the work out for others to do the same…Today, Please. If it is not pulledtoday we are done…> > Thank you> > Ken Fuller, PE> > Executive Director,> Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors> > > <Appropriations.xlsx>
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: RE: BORPLES Legislative Action SB 5443
Date: Monday, April 08, 2019 5:59:00 PM
Hi Sara and Scott,
We are at the wire on getting this through the House Appropriations committee. Could you send a
short Email to Rep. Timm Ormsby asking him to please move this forward out of committee onto the
floor. I am reaching out to you lat but it would need to be done tonite if you are willing.
Thank you,
Ken Fuller
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 5:40 PM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
Cc: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Subject: BORPLES Legislative Action SB 5443
Dear Sara, Dan, and Scott,
This year BORPELS decided to pursue a legislative fix to our budget authority complexities with DOL.
The Bill is SB 5443 and has been gaining support (passed the Senate 44/4/1) and made it thru our
first house committee (13/0) to move onto the House Appropriations Committee. I have attached
the 1986 AG’s opinion which verified that the Board is a separate and standalone agency, but realize
the fees, and budget were assigned to the Director of DOL many years ago creating an inefficient
and somewhat complex separation of the responsibilities and authority.
This action will officially grant BORPLES its independence but allow for us to continue to contract
into DOL for administrative and licensing services. The Board will be able to manage the budget
(within State guidelines thru DES) and assign resources to strategic plans with education and
outreach into the professions and the public as a first priority.
I realize this email comes with a bit of a shock, but I would appreciate you all sending emails to the
Chair Timm Ormsby and a few of the legislators on the committee requesting their support.
Committee Members
Representative Room Phone
Ormsby, Timm (D)Chair
315 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7946
Bergquist, Steve (D)2nd Vice Chair
322 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7862
Robinson, June (D)1st Vice Chair
332 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7864
Stokesbary, Drew (R)Ranking Minority Member
411 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7846
MacEwen, Drew (R)Assistant Ranking Minority Member
434 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7902
Rude, Skyler (R)Assistant Ranking Minority Member
122G Legislative Building (360) 786-7828
Caldier, Michelle (R) 122H Legislative Building (360) 786-7802
Chandler, Bruce (R) 427B Legislative Building (360) 786-7960
Cody, Eileen (D) 303 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7978
Dolan, Laurie (D) 318 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7940
Dye, Mary (R) 432 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7942
Fitzgibbon, Joe (D) 308 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7952
Hansen, Drew (D) 370 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7842
Hoff, Larry (R) 406 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7812
Hudgins, Zack (D) 438A Legislative Building (360) 786-7956
Jinkins, Laurie (D) 320 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7930
Kraft, Vicki (R) 436 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7994
Macri, Nicole (D) 311 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7826
Mosbrucker, Gina (R) 431 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7856
Pettigrew, Eric (D) 434B Legislative Building (360) 786-7838
Pollet, Gerry (D) 132C Legislative Building (360) 786-7886
Ryu, Cindy (D) 421 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7880
Schmick, Joe (R) 426B Legislative Building (360) 786-7844
Senn, Tana (D) 368 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7894
Springer, Larry (D) 132E Legislative Building (360) 786-7822
Stanford, Derek (D) 327 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7928
Steele, Mike (R) 122F Legislative Building (360) 786-7832
Sullivan, Pat (D) 339A Legislative Building (360) 786-7858
Sutherland, Robert (R) 405 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7967
Tarleton, Gael (D) 429A Legislative Building (360) 786-7860
Tharinger, Steve (D) 314 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7904
Volz, Mike (R) 427 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7922
Ybarra, Alex (R) 469 John L. O'Brien Building (360) 786-7808
Thank you and let me know what questions you may have.
Ken Fuller, PE
541.647.7265
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
To: Steven Collins
Cc: Blaisdell, Aaron; James Wengler; Marjorie Lund; [email protected]; Hendrickson, Doug; Ivan VanDeWege;Gnanapragasam, Nirmala; [email protected]; Chun Lau; Richard Larson; RICHARD WILKERSON;[email protected]; Beehler, Pat (DNR); [email protected]; Van Collins;[email protected]; Warren, Jon P.; Derek Pohle; Daniel B. Clark; [email protected]
Subject: RE: SB 5443 is needing Immediate help
Date: Tuesday, April 09, 2019 3:37:00 PM
Good afternoon,
Thank you everyone for all of your work and support for SB 5443. As of this morning the bill is stalled out in theappropriations committee of the house and it looks like it is "dead on the vine". I have not received official wordbut according to the House rules and calendar if it not did get pulled out of committee and onto the floor today it isdead.
I have a few calls out to legislative staff to determine exactly what in the bill wasn't acceptable or was it just a caseof numbers (too many bills) that it was left in committee. I will know more in the near future.
Thank you for all of your support and efforts on this. This does set us up for the next session well and we will besending out information as to the next steps.
Best to you all,
Ken Fuller, PE541.647.7265
-----Original Message-----From: Steven Collins [mailto:[email protected]]Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2019 11:43 AMTo: Fuller, Ken (DOL) <[email protected]>Cc: Blaisdell, Aaron <[email protected]>; James Wengler <[email protected]>; Marjorie Lund<[email protected]>; [email protected]; Hendrickson, Doug <[email protected]>; IvanVanDeWege <[email protected]>; Gnanapragasam, Nirmala <[email protected]>;[email protected]; Chun Lau <[email protected]>; Richard Larson <[email protected]>;RICHARD WILKERSON <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Beehler, Pat (DNR)<[email protected]>; [email protected]; Van Collins <[email protected]>;[email protected]; Warren, Jon P. <[email protected]>; Derek Pohle<[email protected]>; Daniel B. Clark <[email protected]>; [email protected]: Re: SB 5443 is needing Immediate help
Dear Ken,
I’m contacting you from my personal email so as not to infringe UW policies with respect to lobbying. Hoping thisgets through your email filters.
I called and left a message with Committee Chair Ormsby per your request yesterday, and this morning sent emailmessages (see below) to every legislator on the committee. Also passed along your message to the WSPE ExecutiveCommittee. I hope it helps.
Best wishes,
Steve CollinsWSPE 2018-19 President
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
To: Steven Collins
Cc: Blaisdell, Aaron; James Wengler; Marjorie Lund; [email protected]; Hendrickson, Doug; Ivan VanDeWege;Gnanapragasam, Nirmala; [email protected]; Chun Lau; Richard Larson; RICHARD WILKERSON;[email protected]; Beehler, Pat (DNR); [email protected]; Van Collins;[email protected]; Warren, Jon P.; Derek Pohle; Daniel B. Clark; [email protected]
Subject: RE: SB 5443 is needing Immediate help
Date: Tuesday, April 09, 2019 3:37:00 PM
Good afternoon,
Thank you everyone for all of your work and support for SB 5443. As of this morning the bill is stalled out in theappropriations committee of the house and it looks like it is "dead on the vine". I have not received official wordbut according to the House rules and calendar if it not did get pulled out of committee and onto the floor today it isdead.
I have a few calls out to legislative staff to determine exactly what in the bill wasn't acceptable or was it just a caseof numbers (too many bills) that it was left in committee. I will know more in the near future.
Thank you for all of your support and efforts on this. This does set us up for the next session well and we will besending out information as to the next steps.
Best to you all,
Ken Fuller, PE541.647.7265
-----Original Message-----From: Steven Collins [mailto:[email protected]]Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2019 11:43 AMTo: Fuller, Ken (DOL) <[email protected]>Cc: Blaisdell, Aaron <[email protected]>; James Wengler <[email protected]>; Marjorie Lund<[email protected]>; [email protected]; Hendrickson, Doug <[email protected]>; IvanVanDeWege <[email protected]>; Gnanapragasam, Nirmala <[email protected]>;[email protected]; Chun Lau <[email protected]>; Richard Larson <[email protected]>;RICHARD WILKERSON <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Beehler, Pat (DNR)<[email protected]>; [email protected]; Van Collins <[email protected]>;[email protected]; Warren, Jon P. <[email protected]>; Derek Pohle<[email protected]>; Daniel B. Clark <[email protected]>; [email protected]: Re: SB 5443 is needing Immediate help
Dear Ken,
I’m contacting you from my personal email so as not to infringe UW policies with respect to lobbying. Hoping thisgets through your email filters.
I called and left a message with Committee Chair Ormsby per your request yesterday, and this morning sent emailmessages (see below) to every legislator on the committee. Also passed along your message to the WSPE ExecutiveCommittee. I hope it helps.
Best wishes,
Steve CollinsWSPE 2018-19 President
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
To: Kd Fuller
Subject: RE: SB 5443 is revived
Date: Thursday, April 11, 2019 9:56:00 AM
Good morning,
Last night the Washington State Senate passed, 45 to 1, our bill onto the House thru a brilliant action by SenatorVanDeWege, attaching our bill language to HB 1176 thru an amendment (DOL sponsored bill on RCW 18.43, andother RCW's, language cleanup).
Therefore, the Bill HB 1176, is now in House Rules committee. Please have OS's, PE's, PLS's contact theirrepresentatives to ask for support of HB 1176, as amended and be ready to help in contacting the Governor's office,once successfully voted out of both chambers.
Thank you,
Ken
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-----Original Message-----From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2019 3:37 PMTo: 'Steven Collins' <[email protected]>Cc: Blaisdell, Aaron <[email protected]>; James Wengler <[email protected]>; Marjorie Lund<[email protected]>; [email protected]; Hendrickson, Doug <[email protected]>; IvanVanDeWege <[email protected]>; Gnanapragasam, Nirmala <[email protected]>;[email protected]; Chun Lau <[email protected]>; Richard Larson <[email protected]>;RICHARD WILKERSON <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Beehler, Pat (DNR)<[email protected]>; [email protected]; Van Collins <[email protected]>;[email protected]; Warren, Jon P. <[email protected]>; Derek Pohle<[email protected]>; Daniel B. Clark <[email protected]>; [email protected]: RE: SB 5443 is needing Immediate help
Good afternoon,
Thank you everyone for all of your work and support for SB 5443. As of this morning the bill is stalled out in theappropriations committee of the house and it looks like it is "dead on the vine". I have not received official wordbut according to the House rules and calendar if it not did get pulled out of committee and onto the floor today it isdead.
I have a few calls out to legislative staff to determine exactly what in the bill wasn't acceptable or was it just a caseof numbers (too many bills) that it was left in committee. I will know more in the near future.
Thank you for all of your support and efforts on this. This does set us up for the next session well and we will be
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Subject: Presentation from Ken
Date: Thursday, April 18, 2019 9:56:00 PM
Attachments: Board program at LSAW April 2019 -KF edits.pptx
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From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
To: [email protected]; "James Wengler"
Cc: "Kate Schalk"; [email protected]
Subject: RE: HB 1176 HELP
Date: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:58:00 AM
Good morning,
The e-message portal will ask a few questions to get you started and then there a message line. Here
is a suggested outline:
Dear Governor Inslee, I am writing you to request your support and signature of HB 1176 as
amended. This legislation would greatly assist the Board of Registration in the administration of its
responsibilities regarding the oversight of qualifications and conduct of the professionals whom have
significant impact of the health and safety of Washington Citizens. (((Example of a personal note I
am a registered professional _______ with over ___years in consulting, (leading the association,
adding your personal note). I would like to personally thank you for your service to the citizens of
Washington State and thank you for your thoughtful consideration of this legislation. Sincerely, Dan
Evans, P.E.
Ken
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:04 PM
To: 'James Wengler'
Cc: 'Kate Schalk' ; [email protected]; Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Subject: RE: HB 1176 HELP
Is there a sample letter that we can provide?
C.
Land Surveyors Association of Washington
526 South E Street – Santa Rosa, CA 95404
T. (888) 994-2845
F. (707) 578-4406
From: James Wengler <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:34 PM
To: 'crissy' <[email protected]>
Cc: 'Kate Schalk' <[email protected]>; [email protected]; 'Fuller, Ken
(DOL)' <[email protected]>
Subject: HB 1176 HELP
Hi Crissy,
Is it possible to email the general membership to ask them to contact the Governor’s office to asking
him to support and sign
HB 1176.
James Wengler
Good afternoon
HB 1176 as amended with SB 5443 passed the house today with a 96/0 vote. This is great
news.
We have been advised to get as many Professionals (OnSite, Land Surveyors, and Engineers) to
contact Governor Inslee’s office asking for his support in signing this into law.
Give a short brief on who you are and request his support.
Attached is a hyperlink to the e-message web-site:
The proper way to contact the Governor’s office is to send an e-message via the following
website, https://www.governor.wa.gov/contact/contact/send-gov-inslee-e-message.
Under “What is the subject of your message?” you should select the drop-down option
“Legislative Bills and Comments.” The e-message also allows you to attach documents.
The other way to contact the Governor is to mail a letter to:
Governor Jay Inslee
Office of the Governor
PO Box 40002
Olympia, WA 98504-0002
Thank you,James Wengler, PLS, CFedSMember & Past President Land Surveyors Association of Washington
Wengler Surveying & Mapping
703 East Eighth Street Port Angeles, WA 98362Phone (360) 457-9600 Fax (360) 457-9556
wenglersurveying.com
”Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow.
The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing”
A. Lincoln
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Subject: FW: HB 1176 HELP
Date: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:58:00 AM
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 6:58 AM
To: '[email protected]' ; 'James Wengler'
Cc: 'Kate Schalk' ; [email protected]
Subject: RE: HB 1176 HELP
Good morning,
The e-message portal will ask a few questions to get you started and then there a message line. Here
is a suggested outline:
Dear Governor Inslee, I am writing you to request your support and signature of HB 1176 as
amended. This legislation would greatly assist the Board of Registration in the administration of its
responsibilities regarding the oversight of qualifications and conduct of the professionals whom have
significant impact of the health and safety of Washington Citizens. (((Example of a personal note I
am a registered professional _______ with over ___years in consulting, (leading the association,
adding your personal note). I would like to personally thank you for your service to the citizens of
Washington State and thank you for your thoughtful consideration of this legislation. Sincerely, Dan
Evans, P.E.
Ken
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 5:04 PM
To: 'James Wengler' <[email protected]>
Cc: 'Kate Schalk' <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Subject: RE: HB 1176 HELP
Is there a sample letter that we can provide?
C.
Land Surveyors Association of Washington
526 South E Street – Santa Rosa, CA 95404
T. (888) 994-2845
F. (707) 578-4406
From: James Wengler <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 4:34 PM
To: 'crissy' <[email protected]>
Cc: 'Kate Schalk' <[email protected]>; [email protected]; 'Fuller, Ken
(DOL)' <[email protected]>
Subject: HB 1176 HELP
Hi Crissy,
Is it possible to email the general membership to ask them to contact the Governor’s office to asking
him to support and sign
HB 1176.
James Wengler
Good afternoon
HB 1176 as amended with SB 5443 passed the house today with a 96/0 vote. This is great
news.
We have been advised to get as many Professionals (OnSite, Land Surveyors, and Engineers) to
contact Governor Inslee’s office asking for his support in signing this into law.
Give a short brief on who you are and request his support.
Attached is a hyperlink to the e-message web-site:
The proper way to contact the Governor’s office is to send an e-message via the following
website, https://www.governor.wa.gov/contact/contact/send-gov-inslee-e-message.
Under “What is the subject of your message?” you should select the drop-down option
“Legislative Bills and Comments.” The e-message also allows you to attach documents.
The other way to contact the Governor is to mail a letter to:
Governor Jay Inslee
Office of the Governor
PO Box 40002
Olympia, WA 98504-0002
Thank you,James Wengler, PLS, CFedSMember & Past President Land Surveyors Association of Washington
Wengler Surveying & Mapping
703 East Eighth Street Port Angeles, WA 98362Phone (360) 457-9600 Fax (360) 457-9556
wenglersurveying.com
”Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow.
The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing”
A. Lincoln
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
To: "Ivan VanDeWege"; Gnanapragasam, Nirmala; "James Wengler"
Subject: FW: HB 1176, with amendments, Brief
Date: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 8:49:00 AM
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 7:58 AM
To: Shirk, Drew (GOV)
Cc: Perschbacher, Beau (DOL) ; Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Subject: HB 1176, with amendments, Brief
Good morning Drew,
I transmitted a call to you last week and want to follow up with you regarding HB 1176 with
amendments, which may be on the Governor’s desk for his consideration.
HB 1176, originally was a concise cleanup of language in a few of the professional licensing statutes
including RCW 18.43, which is the Engineer’s and Land Surveyor Act. During the final reading and
floor vote of HB 1176, the Senate amended the bill by adding language from a stalled out bill, in
House appropriations, SB 5443 onto it. The amended bill passed both chambers (45/1/3) and
(96/0/2).
This bill has strong support from the Board, the Licensed Professional Engineers, Land Surveyors, and
Onsite Waste Water designers as well as the professional associations representing them. The
amendments to HB 1176 aligns the budget authority, of the appropriations funded thru fees
collected from the 3 professions, to the operating and regulatory authority already conferred to the
Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors (BORPELS) thru RCW 18.43. The
bill create BORPLES as a fully operating stand-alone small agency, but continues certain DOL
administrative and licensing functions thru an interagency contract model (which, other than
budget) is how it currently functions.
Would you have time to meet with me to address this bill?
Sincerely,
Ken Fuller, PE
541.647.7265
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
From: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
To: [email protected]; "Kate Schalk"; "Jeff Lynch"; "Andy Doan"; "Donald Wieber"; "Weston Dorszynski";[email protected]; [email protected]
Cc: "James Wengler"; "Ivan VanDeWege"; Gnanapragasam, Nirmala
Subject: RE: Call to Action: HB 1176
Date: Monday, April 29, 2019 9:53:00 AM
Hi Bruce and others,
I will answer Bruce’s questions in Red..
· Will this entail budget and staff changes? For example, are BORPELS funds
earmarked before being disbursed to the DOL?o Budget will remain the same. (The State functions in a two year budget cycle
Biennial Year ‘BY’) Legislation appropriated to the 024 account “engineersand land surveyors”, separate from any other funds to DOL, currently (BY17/19) is just under $4 million and the proposed Senate appropriation forBORPLES (BY 19/21) as a small agency is just under $4 million. DOL hasbeen given control over the appropriation, which will revert to BORPLES ifthe bill becomes law.
o Currently BORPLES is allocated 11.7 FTE’s (Full time equivalent) thru DOL. 1Position (Executive Director) is a Direct report FTE to BORPLES theremaining 10.7 FTE’S are a mixture of the Business and Professions Division(BPD) staff and managers providing various services and functions.Currently all 11.7 FTE’s are assigned DOL overhead costs of roughly 26percent, which includes costs of enterprise computer systems, cloud, webservices, payroll and accounting..
o Under the proposed new structure, 4 direct FTE’s will be BORPLESemployees. (Executive Director, Administrative Lead, Outreach/Educationand communications Leader, Deputy Director which potentially will beanother licensee). Contracting back into DOL for 6 FTE’s as a mixture of theBusiness and Professions Division staff and managers providing variousservices and functions. The roles and responsibilities of each program task,process, and function are being developed and divided into clear lines toassure the administrative functions of BORPLES continues. The budgetappropriations will not change.
· Do the two entities share any costs that would now need to be separately and fully
funded by the BORPELS?o Cost sharing will continue as we will co-locate with DOL BPD. Currently most
costs are broken out and tracked separately (contracts, printing, officesupplies, travel, % of salaries and benefits for each portion of assignedemployee, leases, computers and equipment, Exam costs, dues, web site,telecommunications, State Attorney General Costs, payroll, etc..) which willmake this easier to split and identify the future shared costs.
o Under the proposed new structure the roles and responsibilities of eachprogram task, process, and function will be developed and divided into clearlines to the 4 direct BORPLES employees and assignments to DOL’s 6FTE’s. DOL will continue to provide Web services, email, space leases andutilities, computers, software, public record service, translations services,legislative counsel, training, etc., as they currently provide, which BORPLESwill pay for as a stand-alone item for the 4 direct employees and will beincluded in an overhead (burdened rate) for each of the 6 DOL positions.
o Direct Program costs and Overhead costs for the 4 BORPLES Employees and
Board functions will be direct to BORPLES (accounting and HR services willbe contacted thru the Small Agency Division of Department of EnterpriseServices). We are working on processes and functions to be assigned to theDOL BPD 6 FTE’s and the cost sharing portions.
· Will the authority of the BORPELS relative to other State agencies remain as is, or
could it be diminished by no longer being associated with the DOL?o The authority of the BORPLES relative to other State agencies is dependent
on our relationship with the agencies as well as what the Statutes and Rules,they are in responsible charge of, prescribe. My charge is to continue todevelop the relationships with other agency’s rule making leadership, to gainan understanding of the issues in the Statues and Rules they are inresponsible charge as it relates to our professions, PE, PLS, On-Sitedesigners. I realize the connections with the Directors at the executivecabinet level (DOL, DES, WSDOT, Ecology…) may change in functionalalignment. However, the current Director of DOL, Teresa Berntsen, and herstaff have continued to promote a strong partnership with BORPLES as thisprocess has moved forward, independent of the bill’s outcome. I do notbelieve the bill will change the working relationships with the other agencies
· Some before and after numbers and structural functional detail would be helpful. See
above. More to come.Thank you for your questions and support.
Sincerely,
Ken Fuller, PE
Executive Director,
Washington State Board of Registration for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors
“Bruce wrote”;I would like to consider the merits of SB 5443, but am finding the document in the linkprovided, as well as the bill itself, insufficiently illuminating for me to render a reasonably-informed opinion. The statements in the BORPELS.pdf are too abstract. Will this entailbudget and staff changes? For example, are BORPELS funds earmarked before beingdisbursed to the DOL? Do the two entities share any costs that would now need to beseparately and fully funded by the BORPELS? Will the authority of the BORPELS relativeto other State agencies remain as is, or could it be diminished by no longer beingassociated with the DOL? Some before and after numbers and structural functional detailwould be helpful.Also, what is the time-window for our response?Thank you for your consideration.
Bruce MacLearnsberry, PLS, CFS
From: James Wengler [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 2:47 PM
To: Fuller, Ken (DOL)
Subject: FW: Call to Action: HB 1176
From: Kate Schalk [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 2:24 PMTo: [email protected]: [email protected]; 'James Wengler'Subject: Re: Call to Action: HB 1176
Hi Bruce,
Good questions, some of which I can answer and others, I think Jim Wengler (cc'd on this
email) may be better suited to answer, since they are very specific.
Answers to your LSAW questions;
The "Board of Trustees" has been changed to the "Board of Directors" to reflect the true legal
capacity recognized by the State. Most simply, it is a name change.
The "Executive Committee" has always existed, heading the Board of Directors/Trustees. In
essence, you are correct in the general concept of the Executive Committee and BOD "being
one in the same".
Your questions regarding HB 1176;
As far as a response time line-the bill is in the process of heading to the Governor for
consideration. (At least the last time I checked this morning.)
Regarding the other related questions, Jim may have more details and follow up on the
particulars.
Thank you contacting us with your comments and questions!
Kate Schalk
LSAW 2019 President
From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 8:45 AM
To: Kate Schalk; 'Schalk, Kathryn (DNR)'
Subject: FW: Call to Action: HB 1176
From: Bruce MacLearnsberry <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 2:58 PM
To: [email protected]; 'Kate Schalk' <[email protected]>; 'Jeff Lynch' <[email protected]>;
'Andy Doan' <[email protected]>; 'Donald Wieber' <[email protected]>; 'Weston
Dorszynski' <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Call to Action: HB 1176
Hello all:Pardon my ignorance, but am I to assume the LSAW Board of Directors, LSAW Board ofTrustees and the Executive Committee are all one and the same? If not, please set mestraight.I would like to consider the merits of SB 5443, but am finding the document in the linkprovided, as well as the bill itself, insufficiently illuminating for me to render a reasonably-informed opinion. The statements in the BORPELS.pdf are too abstract. Will this entailbudget and staff changes? For example, are BORPELS funds earmarked before beingdisbursed to the DOL? Do the two entities share any costs that would now need to beseparately and fully funded by the BORPELS? Will the authority of the BORPELS relativeto other State agencies remain as is, or could it be diminished by no longer beingassociated with the DOL? Some before and after numbers and structural functional detailwould be helpful.Also, what is the time-window for our response?Thank you for your consideration.
Bruce MacLearnsberry, PLS, CFSLicensed in Washington (32439) Idaho (14821) Federal (1443)