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University of UtahUniversity of Utah

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University of UtahUniversity of Utah

Pros and Cons of CSE Programs vs. Disciplinary Programs, the

“Different Ways” to Approach CSE Training

Pros and Cons of CSE Programs vs. Disciplinary Programs, the

“Different Ways” to Approach CSE Training

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Utah Computational Science HistoryUtah Computational Science History

1992 - Started CES Graduate Certificate Program (CS, Math)

1994 – Expanded Program2000 – M.S. in CES (multiple

options)2004 - Ph.D. in Computing (track in

Scientific Computing)

1992 - Started CES Graduate Certificate Program (CS, Math)

1994 – Expanded Program2000 – M.S. in CES (multiple

options)2004 - Ph.D. in Computing (track in

Scientific Computing)

DOE/SciDAC Visualization and AnalyticsCenter for Enabling Technologies

DOE/ASCI Center for the Simulation of Accidental Fires and Explosions

DOE/SciDAC Scientific Data Management

DOE/SciDAC CCA

NIH NAMIC

NIH CBC

Center for Interactive Ray-Tracing and Photorealistic Visualization

NIH/NCRR Center for IntegrativeBiomedical Computing

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Research Example - DOE C-SAFEResearch Example - DOE C-SAFE

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Types of CSE ProgramsTypes of CSE Programs

Certificate/Minor Programs

M.S. Degrees

Ph.D. Degreeshttp://www.siam.org/students/resources/

cse_programs.php

http://www2.krellinst.org/services/technology/CSE_survey/

http://www.math.colostate.edu/~estep/

Certificate/Minor Programs

M.S. Degrees

Ph.D. Degreeshttp://www.siam.org/students/resources/

cse_programs.php

http://www2.krellinst.org/services/technology/CSE_survey/

http://www.math.colostate.edu/~estep/

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PITAC Report: www.nitrd.govPITAC Report: www.nitrd.gov

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(Im)Possible Structural Changes (Im)Possible Structural Changes

Completely Restructure Colleges and Departments - Probably Not Possible

Start Over and Build a New Structure - Possible, But Costly: KAUST, Okinawa Institute of Science and Technology

Completely Restructure Colleges and Departments - Probably Not Possible

Start Over and Build a New Structure - Possible, But Costly: KAUST, Okinawa Institute of Science and Technology

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Disciplines vs. InterdisciplinaryDisciplines vs. Interdisciplinary

Need strong programs in both!

Models:• Departments - Disciplines

• Centers and Institutes - Interdisciplinary

• College or University Wide Interdisciplinary Education Programs

• NSF or DOE or NIH National Research Center

No One Size Fits All!

Need strong programs in both!

Models:• Departments - Disciplines

• Centers and Institutes - Interdisciplinary

• College or University Wide Interdisciplinary Education Programs

• NSF or DOE or NIH National Research Center

No One Size Fits All!

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OrganizationOrganization

Creation

•Top Down vs. Bottom Up

•Research vs. Courses

Oversight and Management

•Department Based

•College Based

•University Based

Creation

•Top Down vs. Bottom Up

•Research vs. Courses

Oversight and Management

•Department Based

•College Based

•University Based

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Barriers, Failures, SuccessesBarriers, Failures, Successes

University System is Silo-Based

Administrators “Talk About” Interdisciplinary Programs, But Don’t Follow Through

Colleagues Don’t View CS&E as a Real Discipline

Lack of a Reward System for CS&E Research and Education(see PITAC Report)

University System is Silo-Based

Administrators “Talk About” Interdisciplinary Programs, But Don’t Follow Through

Colleagues Don’t View CS&E as a Real Discipline

Lack of a Reward System for CS&E Research and Education(see PITAC Report)

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Barriers, Failures, SuccessesBarriers, Failures, Successes

Tremendous turf battlesHard to obtain resources for interdisciplinary programsHard to organize/manage programs across different departmentsCertificate was not substantial enough - courses were popularM.S. degree popularStudents wanted to continue in a computational Ph.D. program

Tremendous turf battlesHard to obtain resources for interdisciplinary programsHard to organize/manage programs across different departmentsCertificate was not substantial enough - courses were popularM.S. degree popularStudents wanted to continue in a computational Ph.D. program

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New Definition of ComputingNew Definition of Computing

Jim Foley, Computing Research News (CRA), Vol. 14, No. 4, Sept. 2002

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More InformationMore Information

www.ces.utah.eduwww.sci.utah.eduwww.cs.utah.edu

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