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conservationadvbrdsummtg052006.txt0001123 THE DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION

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101112131415 MAY 20TH, 20061617 ERIE MEYER CIVIC CENTER1819 GULF SHORES, ALABAMA2021 9:00 A.M.

222300021 A P P E A R A N C E S23 ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT:

45 M. BARNETT LAWLEY, COMMISSIONER

6 LOUIS W. COLES7 DR. A. WAYNE MAY8 JOHNNY JOHNSON9 GEORGE HARBIN10 GRANT LYNCH11 JAMES PORTER12 ROSS M. SELF

13 BILL HATLEY1415 ALSO PRESENT:1617 ROBIN NUMMY, SECRETARY1819 DR. GAINES SMITH, AUBURN EXTENSION20 SERVICE DIRECTOR2122230003123 I N D E X

456 CALL TO ORDER 4

7 INVOCATION 48 INTRODUCTION OF BOARD MEMBERS 59 APPROVAL OF MINUTES 610 PUBLIC HEARING 811 REPORTS BY DISTRICT 4212 OLD BUSINESS 4613 NEW BUSINESS 5314 FEBRUARY MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT 63

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conservationadvbrdsummtg052006.txt15161718192021222300041 CAPTION2 I, JAMIE BURNETT, A COURT3 REPORTER ON BEHALF OF LEGALINK FOSHEE &4 TURNER, HEREBY CERTIFY THAT THE ABOVE5 ENTITLED MEETING CAME ON TO BE HEARD6 BEFORE THE CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD OF7 THE ALABAMA DEPARTMENT OF CONSERVATION8 AND NATURAL RESOURCES, IN GULF SHORES,9 ALABAMA, AT 9:00 A.M., ON THE 20TH DAY OF10 MAY, 2006, AT ERIE MEYER CIVIC CENTER,11 1930 WEST 2ND STREET, GULF SHORES,12 ALABAMA, AND THE FOLLOWING WAS HAD AND

13 DONE:1415 *******************16 CALL TO ORDER17 *******************1819 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: GOOD MORNING.20 I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING OF THE21 CONSERVATION ADVISORY BOARD TO ORDER, AND22 I WOULD LIKE TO ASK AT THIS TIME FOR23 MR. JOHNNY JOHNSON TO COME FORWARD AND00051 GIVE THE INVOCATION PLEASE.23 (WHEREUPON, THE INVOCATION WAS GIVEN BY

4 MR. JOHNSON.)56 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU

7 MR. JOHNSON.8 ON BEHALF OF ROSS SELF AND9 MYSELF, WE WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME ALL OF10 YOU TO GULF SHORES, ALABAMA. WE HOPE YOU11 HAVE A VERY ENJOYABLE TIME, EITHER12 VISITING OUR BEACHES OR PLAYING ON OUR13 GOLF COURSES OR EATING SOME OF OUR GOOD14 SOUTHERN ALABAMA FOOD.15 MR. SELF: DON'T FORGET THE16 FISHING.17 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: DON'T FORGET18 THE FISHING. ROSS SAYS FOR ME NOT TO19 FORGET THE FISHING. ROSS IS A FISHERMAN.20 AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO CALL21 ON COMMISSIONER LAWLEY TO INTRODUCE THE22 BOARD.2300061 ***********************2 INTRODUCTION OF3 BOARD MEMBERS4 ***********************5

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conservationadvbrdsummtg052006.txt6 COMMISSIONER LAWLEY: IF YOU7 WOULD, ANSWER WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED.8 DAN MOULTRIE? COULDN'T BE WITH US TODAY.9 LOUIS COLES.10 MR. COLES: HERE.11 COMMISSIONER LAWLEY: DR. WAYNE12 MAY?13 DR. MAY: HERE.14 COMMISSIONER LAWLEY: MR. PORTER?15 UNABLE TO BE HERE ALSO. MR. HATLEY?16 JUST SPOKE. DOCTOR SMITH?17 DR. SMITH: HERE.18 COMMISSIONER LAWLEY: MR. SELF?19 MR. SELF: HERE.20 COMMISSIONER LAWLEY:21 MR. JOHNSON?22 MR. JOHNSON: HERE.23 COMMISSIONER LAWLEY: MR. LYNCH?00071 MR. LYNCH: HERE.2 COMMISSIONER LAWLEY: MR. GEORGE3 HARBIN?

4 MR. HARBIN: HERE.5 COMMISSIONER LAWLEY:6 MR. CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE A QUORUM.78 ***********************

9 APPROVAL OF MINUTES10 OF LAST MEETING11 ***********************1213 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: GENTLEMEN, YOU14 WILL FIND IN YOUR PACKETS WE HAVE TWO15 SETS OF MINUTES. I'M SURE ALL OF YOU HAD16 AMPLE OPPORTUNITY REVIEW THOSE. ONE IS17 OUR FEBRUARY MEETING, AND ONE IS OF OUR18 MAY MEETING. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE

19 FEBRUARY MINUTES FIRST. ARE THERE ANY20 CORRECTIONS IN THOSE MINUTES? IF NOT,21 THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO22 ADOPT THOSE MINUTES.23 MR. COLES: SO MOVED.00081 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: SECOND?2 MR. JOHNSON: SECOND.3 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: ALL IN FAVOR4 SIGNIFY BY THE RAISING THE RIGHT HAND.56 (ALL BOARD MEMBERS SIGNIFY.)

78 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THE MINUTES ARE

9 APPROVED. THE MAY MINUTES ARE -- ARE10 THERE ANY CORRECTIONS -- MARCH, MARCH.11 I'M SORRY. MINUTES, THIS IS MAY.12 DR. SMITH: MOVE FOR APPROVAL.13 MR. JOHNSON: SECOND.14 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: ALL IN FAVOR15 SHOW --1617 (ALL BOARD MEMBERS SIGNIFY.)1819 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU.20 THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS PRESENTED.

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conservationadvbrdsummtg052006.txt3 I ASKED Y'ALL AT THE FIRST4 MEETING THIS YEAR TO CONSIDER AN ARCHERY5 SEASON PERMIT, AN ARCHERY TURKEY TAG, AND6 TO GIVE THE DRAWLOCK THE SAME STATUS AS7 ANY OTHER ARCHERY EQUIPMENT, AND TO BE8 SURE TO INSIST THAT COMPLAINTS AGAINST9 HUNTERS, ESPECIALLY DOG HUNTERS, BE10 PROVEN. AND I SENT Y'ALL A LETTER11 RECENTLY AND GAVE Y'ALL AN EXAMPLE OF WHY12 COMPLAINTS AGAINST THE HUNTERS OUGHT TO13 BE PROVEN.14 AND TODAY I WANT TO TALK ABOUT15 SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S IMPORTANT, AND I16 THINK EVERY HUNTER AND FISHERMAN IN THE17 STATE OF ALABAMA SHOULD BE CONCERNED.18 IT'S A SAD DAY WHEN THE CONSERVATION19 DEPARTMENT ADVISORY BOARD PROMOTES THE20 POSITION THAT THE ANTI-HUNTERS LIKE PETA21 AND SPCA AND OTHERS HAVE USED FOR A22 NUMBER OF YEARS TO SUPPORT THEIR EFFORT23 TO STOP HUNTING AND FISHING ALTOGETHER.0015

1 THAT'S WHAT YOU DO, GENTLEMEN,2 WHEN YOU SAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW3 SHOOTING TURKEYS WITH CROSSBOWS BECAUSE4 SOME OF THEM MAY NOT BE RECOVERED. AN5 ARROW KILLS BY HEMORRHAGE, AND THERE'S6 VERY LITTLE SHOCK INVOLVED. SO ANYTHING7 YOU SHOOT WITH AN ARROW, IT'S REASONABLE8 TO ASSUME THAT IT'S GOING TO RUN AWAY.9 IT'S GOING TO LIVE A FEW MINUTES AND RUN10 AWAY. DURING THAT TIME, SOME OF THEM MAY11 NOT BE RECOVERED.12 IF YOU TAKE THAT POSITION,13 THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN LEGITIMATELY14 SUPPORT ANY KIND OF HUNTING, ESPECIALLY15 ARCHERY HUNTING. SO I THINK IT'S TIME TO

16 CUT OUT THE BULL AND LET'S GO AHEAD AND17 MAKE THE CROSSBOW JUST LIKE ANY OTHER18 ARCHERY EQUIPMENT. RIGHT NOW IT'S KIND19 OF LIKE THIS INSURANCE COMMERCIAL ON20 TELEVISION. IT'S LEGAL IF YOU DON'T USE21 IT.22 AND FINALLY, I WOULD LIKE FOR THE23 ADVISORY BOARD TO RECOMMEND TO THE00161 CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT THAT THEY PUBLISH2 THESE MINUTES IN THIS MEETINGS OF THESE3 PUBLIC MEETINGS IN A MORE TIMELY MANNER.4 A COUPLE OF WEEKS OUGHT TO BE SUFFICIENT;5 MONTHS IS RIDICULOUS. THANK YOU.6 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU,7 MR. CROPP. ANY QUESTIONS?8 MR. COLES: YES. MR. CROPP, I9 HAVE A QUESTION. I'M IN RECEIPT OF YOUR10 LETTER OF MAY THE 15TH --11 MR. CROPP: YES, SIR.12 MR. COLES: -- THAT YOU SENT, I13 ASSUME, TO ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS?14 MR. CROPP: YES, SIR.15 MR. COLES: THERE'S A COMMENT16 THAT YOU MADE THAT I PERSONALLY TAKE17 OFFENSE TO. AND I'M QUOTING YOUR LETTER:

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conservationadvbrdsummtg052006.txt18 "THIS IS ALSO TRUE FOR THE SO-CALLED19 PERMIT SYSTEM, A SYSTEM WHEREBY20 PUNISHMENT CAN BE ADMINISTERED WITHOUT21 PROOF OF COMPLAINT."22 SIXTY PERCENT OF THE COUNTIES23 THAT HAVE A PERMIT SYSTEM ARE IN MY00171 DISTRICT. THE CAPTAIN WHO'S IN CHARGE OF2 THAT DISTRICT HAS A SYSTEM WHEREBY ANY3 COMPLAINT THAT IS MADE ABOUT DOG DEER4 HUNTING IS REGISTERED. AND THEN IT'S5 ALSO NOTED ON THE COMPLAINT WHETHER IT'S6 VERIFIED OR UNVERIFIED.7 THERE ARE NO PUNISHMENTS8 ADMINISTERED TO ANY PERMITTEE UNLESS9 VERIFIED COMPLAINTS ARE IN SUBSTANTIAL10 NUMBERS. I WANT TO ASSURE YOU OF THAT.11 MR. CROPP: OKAY. WELL, I'M GLAD12 TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE IT WAS MY13 UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS JUST THE SAME14 AS IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN. A SO-CALLED15 LANDOWNER OR ANTI-DOG HUNTER IN THAT AREA

16 COULD COME BEFORE THE BOARD AND SAY, JOE17 BLOW RUN DOGS ACROSS MY PLACE EVERY DAY18 THIS YEAR, AND THE BOARD TAKES ACTION.19 MR. COLES: NO, SIR. ONLY20 VERIFIED COMPLAINTS ARE HELD AGAINST THE21 PERMITTEE. THE ONLY PUNISHMENT THAT'S22 BEEN ADMINISTERED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS23 IS SOME LAND HAS BEEN USED AS A BUFFER00181 ZONE BETWEEN COMPLAINERS AND DOG DEER2 HUNTING GROUPS. AND THAT BUFFER ZONE HAS3 WORKED VERY WELL.4 I THINK YOU'LL HEAR TESTIMONY5 FROM SOME FOLKS THAT ARE UNDER THE PERMIT6 SYSTEM HERE THAT IT IS WORKING AND THAT

7 IT'S BEEN VERY BENEFICIAL. IT'S ONE OF8 THE FIRST TIMES THAT DOG DEER HUNTERS AND9 LANDOWNERS HAVE COME TO THE TABLE IN10 AGREEMENT, AND IT'S WORKING IN THOSE11 PLACES.12 MR. CROPP: WELL I'M GLAD TO HEAR13 IT'S WORKING, AND I HOPE IT CONTINUES TO14 WORK. AND WE DON'T GET INTO A POSITION15 WHERE IF A PERSON HAS A COMPLAINT, IN MY16 OPINION, IF THEY CAN'T PRODUCE A POLICE17 REPORT WHERE THEY FILED A CHARGE AGAINST18 SOMEBODY, THEN THEY DON'T KNOW WHO DONE19 IT. THEY'RE JUST GUESSING. I WISH YOU20 LUCK WITH THAT EFFORT, MR. COLES.21 MR. COLES: YES. THANK YOU.22 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: ANY OTHER23 QUESTIONS OF MR. CROPP?00191 MR. CROPP: THANK YOU.2 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANKS, JACK.3 NEXT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MS. SUSAN MORROW4 TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE.5 MS. MORROW: GOOD MORNING,6 ADVISORY BOARD. MY NAME IS SUSAN MORROW.7 I'M IN MOBILE COUNTY, AND I COME BEFORE8 Y'ALL TODAY TO THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH FOR

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conservationadvbrdsummtg052006.txt9 THE DISABILITY AREA HUNTING. AND ALSO I10 WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR MORE DOG DAYS.11 KIDS REALLY ENJOY THE DOG HUNTING. WE12 ALL SEEM TO ENJOY IT, MOST OF US. AND WE13 NEED MORE DOG DAYS, ESPECIALLY ON OUR14 WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT AREAS. AND I WOULD15 LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THIS. THANK16 YOU.17 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: MS. MORROW, I18 HAVE A QUESTION. WHERE DID YOU LIVE?19 MS. MORROW: I LIVE IN20 TURNERVILLE, ALABAMA, AND I RECEIVE MY21 MAIL IN SATSUMA.22 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU. ANY23 OTHER QUESTIONS OF MS. MORROW? THANK YOU00201 VERY MUCH.2 MS. MORROW: THANK YOU.3 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: NEXT I WOULD4 LIKE TO CALL ON MR. DOUGLAS BRYANT,5 PLEASE.6 MR. BRYANT: MORNING. I'M

7 DOUGLAS RAY BRYANT, SR. I LIVE IN8 RUSSELLVILLE, ALABAMA, WHICH IS NORTHWEST9 ALABAMA. I'M HERE ABOUT THE DOG HUNTING.10 WE LOST OUR DOG HUNTING UP IN THEM11 COUNTIES. I WAS AT THE LAST MEETING IN12 MONTGOMERY WHERE WE HAD SOME PEOPLE THAT13 STOOD UP AND SAID THAT THEY WERE FOR OUR14 COUNTY, REPRESENTING OUR COUNTY DOWN HERE15 AT THESE MEETINGS.16 I WENT TO SOME OF THE LANDOWNERS,17 MOST OF THE LANDOWNERS IN MY COUNTY, AND18 NO OTHER COUNTY, AND ASKED THEM ABOUT MR.19 JEFFREYS AND MS. BAKER THAT STANDS UP20 HERE REPRESENTING THEMSELVES AS FOR MY21 COUNTY. THE LANDOWNERS IN OUR COUNTY DO

22 NOT KNOW THESE PEOPLE. THEY DO NOT23 RECOGNIZE THESE PEOPLE AS BEING IN OUR00211 COUNTY AS A LANDOWNER.2 I MYSELF WISH THEY WOULD QUIT3 COMING DOWN HERE REPRESENTING FRANKLIN4 COUNTY, BECAUSE EVERY LANDOWNER THAT I'VE5 TALKED TO THAT'S IN OUR COUNTY DON'T KNOW6 THEM, DON'T KNOW OF THEM BEING THERE.7 I'VE ASKED THESE LANDOWNERS IF THEY HAVE8 A PROBLEM WITH OUR DOGS RUNNING ON THEIR9 LAND. EVERY ONE THAT I TALKED TO HAVE NO10 PROBLEM.11 THEY SOMETIMES WISH WE WOULD BE12 ABLE TO RUN OUR DOGS BECAUSE THE DEER IS13 EATING THE GARDENS AND ALL THE VEGETATION14 AND STUFF. I WAS LISTENING TO MR. JACK15 THERE TALK ABOUT THE PERMIT SYSTEM.16 WE'VE BEEN TRYING IN OUR AREA WITH17 MR. DON KNIGHT, WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF18 OUR DOG HUNTER ASSOCIATION, TO TRY TO GET19 A PERMIT SYSTEM IN OUR AREA.20 SO FAR, EVERY EFFORT WE'VE TRIED21 HAS FAILED. DUE TO -- ONE OF THE BOARD22 MEMBERS THAT'S OVER OUR AREA AND THE23 LANDOWNERS TOGETHER, WE'VE HAD PETITIONS

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conservationadvbrdsummtg052006.txt00221 SIGNED BY LANDOWNERS. WE'VE HAD2 DOGHUNTERS ASSOCIATION INVITE THEM TO THE3 MEETINGS. WE'VE REALLY TRIED VERY HARD4 TO DO EVERY EFFORT WE COULD TO GET THE5 PERMIT SYSTEM. AND I NOTICED THE OTHER6 COUNTY, THE ALABAMA PERMIT SYSTEM IS7 WORKING GOOD JUST LIKE MR. COLES THERE8 SAID.9 I WOULD REALLY, REALLY LIKE FOR10 THE BOARD TO LOOK AT THAT, TO WHERE WE11 COULD GET THE PERMIT SYSTEM TO RUN OUR12 DOGS OR SOME KIND OF SYSTEM. WE'VE GOT13 LANDOWNERS IN FRANKLIN COUNTY THAT'S14 WILLING TO COME TO THE TABLE. I CAN GET15 YOU NAMES AND I CAN GET YOU A PETITION OF16 PEOPLE THAT IS WILLING TO WORK WITH US17 OWN IT.18 BACK TWO YEARS AGO WE HAD THREE19 OR FOUR THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT WAS WILLING20 LANDOWNERS AND OUR HUNTING CLUB21 PRESIDENTS, THE PEOPLE IN OUR AREA, THAT

22 WANTED DOG HUNTING TO KEEP GOING BECAUSE23 OF THE YOUTH WE'VE GOT IN OUR AREA. A00231 LOT OF US GOT KIDS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO2 KEEP THEM IN HUNTING AND KEEP THEM OUT OF3 TROUBLE. YOU KNOW, YOU GET THEM IN4 HUNTING AND FISHING AND KEEPS THEM OUT OF5 TROUBLE AND OFF THE STREETS.6 I REALLY WISH THE BOARD WOULD7 TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND TRY TO HELP US8 GET OUR DOG HUNTING BACK IN OUR COUNTY.9 WE CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT TO WHERE10 EVERYBODY CAN HAVE THEIR WAY AND ALL OF11 THAT KIND OF STUFF. I REALLY WISH Y'ALL12 WOULD LOOK AT IT.

13 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU VERY14 MUCH, MR. BRYANT. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY15 COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MR. BRYANT?16 THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU17 COMING.18 MR. BRYANT: THANK YOU VERY MUCH;19 APPRECIATE IT.20 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: MR. FRANK21 FINCHER.22 MR. FINCHER: I WAS AT THE23 MEETING IN TUSCALOOSA IN MARCH. AND00241 THERE WAS A FELLOW THAT GOT UP AND TALKED2 IN MONTGOMERY UP THERE ABOUT THE HUNTERS3 AND DOG HUNTERS IN BUTLER COUNTY. I4 DIDN'T HUNT UP THERE LAST YEAR, BUT5 WASN'T THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIGHWAY 106 AND 65 IS WHERE HE WAS TALKING ABOUT? I7 THINK.8 I'VE HUNTED UP THERE TWO OR THREE9 YEARS AGO WITH THOSE FOLKS. AND MOST OF10 THEM IN THE CLUB THAT I HUNTED WITH IS11 SENIOR CITIZENS. AND THE MAN WAS TRYING12 TO MAKE THEM OUT AS KIND OF BAD.13 EVERYONE THERE IS OVER 65 YEARS OLD.14 THAT'S WHAT -- I JUST WANTED TO, FOR

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conservationadvbrdsummtg052006.txt15 Y'ALL TO CONSIDER ON IT. YOU KNOW, TAKE16 IT -- IN OTHER WORDS, IF THEY DO AWAY17 WITH THE DOG HUNTING, YOU'RE GOING TO GET18 RID OF, I IMAGINE, OVER HALF THE MEMBERS19 THERE. THAT'S ALL.20 IN OTHER WORDS, I DIDN'T GET TO21 TALK AT THAT MEETING BECAUSE I GOT THERE22 JUST AS HE WAS TALKING AND I HADN'T23 SIGNED UP. THIS AREA, IT'S A BIG RACK00251 HUNTING CLUB.2 MR. HATLEY: MR. FINCH, YOU3 RESIDE IN MOBILE, ALABAMA?4 MR. FINCHER: YES. I RESIDE IN5 MOBILE.6 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: AND YOU HUNT IN7 BUTLER COUNTY?8 MR. FINCHER: WELL, I DIDN'T LAST9 YEAR. I HUNTED UP THERE WITH THEM TWO OR10 THREE YEARS AGO. I KNOW MOST OF THE11 PEOPLE THAT HUNT UP THERE WITH THEM AND12 ALL IN THE CLUB. THAT'S ALL I WANTED, TO

13 LET YOU KNOW THAT IT WASN'T A BUNCH OF14 RUFFIANS OR THUGS THAT THE MAN WAS15 TALKING ABOUT THERE. THEY'RE OLD PEOPLE.16 AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT FEEDING THE DOGS17 UNDER THE FENCE AND ALL. I DON'T KNOW.18 WHEN I WAS UP THERE, I DIDN'T SEE A DOG19 YOU COULD FEED UNDER THE FENCE.20 I DON'T THINK -- IN OTHER WORDS,21 I JUST WANTED TO CONTRADICT WHAT THE MAN22 SAYS, IS ABOUT WHAT IT AMOUNTS TO.23 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU VERY00261 MUCH FOR COMING, MR. FINCHER.2 MR. FINCHER: YES, SIR.3 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: APPRECIATE YOUR

4 COMMENTS. NEXT WE HAVE MR. RICKEY HAYES.5 MR. HAYES: MR. CHAIRMAN,6 MR. COMMISSIONER, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD,7 I'M RICKEY HAYES FROM HENRY COUNTRY8 ALABAMA. WE'RE BEGINNING OUR THIRD9 SEASON ON THE PERMIT SYSTEM. AS I TOLD10 YOU LAST TIME, IT'S NOT THE BEST SYSTEM,11 BUT IT IS A SYSTEM THAT SEEMS TO BE12 WORKING FOR US.13 IT GIVES US, AS DOG HUNTERS, THE14 RIGHT AND THE RULES TO CONTINUE OUR SPORT15 IN AN ETHICAL MANNER. AND IT GIVES16 PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE,17 ANTI-DOG HUNTERS, SOMETHING THAT ASSURES18 THEM THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES AND19 GUIDELINES SET DOWN BY THIS BOARD OF20 COMMISSIONERS. AND I'M NOT GOING --21 AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU IT'S THE22 BEST SYSTEM, BUT IT IS A SYSTEM THAT23 SEEMS TO BE WORKING FOR US. AND I WOULD00271 LIKE TO THANK THE PEOPLE THAT HELPED2 IMPLEMENT THE SYSTEM, WHICH WAS MR. LOUIS3 COLES, DON HERRING, THE CAPTAIN OF OUR4 DISTRICT, AND OUR CONSERVATION OFFICERS5 MADDOX AND DOSTER. THANK YOU, SIR.

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conservationadvbrdsummtg052006.txt12 I JUST WANT TO BRING UP ONE MORE13 THING ON BARBOUR COUNTY. SINCE WE'VE GOT14 THE ANTLER DEER -- AND I'M GOING TO BE15 HONEST WITH YOU ABOUT THIS, I DON'T KNOW16 THAT IT'S GOT A THING TO DO WITH IT OTHER17 THAN JUST A BAN FOR THE PROPERTY. OUR 0018 BUCK CLUB HAS BEEN IN OPERATION FOR19 THIRTY-FIVE YEARS NOW. BEEN A LOT OF20 PEOPLE HUNTING THAT CLUB IN BARBOUR21 COUNTY. WE HAVE TWO MORE YEARS. OUR22 LAND IS GOING UP ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS A23 YEAR FOR THESE TWO YEARS. THE THIRD YEAR00331 OUR LEASE IS GOING UP TEN THOUSAND2 DOLLARS. WE CAN'T DO IT. OUR CLUB IS3 GONE.4 OUR PEOPLE THAT HUNT WITH US ARE5 JUST NOT THE KIND OF PEOPLE, WE JUST6 DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO COME UP WITH7 THAT KIND OF MONEY. SO THERE'S A8 THIRTY-FIVE-YEAR CLUB THAT'S HAD AS MANY9 AS A HUNDRED MEMBERS. AND LAST YEAR WE

10 WOUND UP WITH FIFTY-FIVE PEOPLE. IN TWO11 MORE YEARS, THAT'S FIFTY-FIVE PEOPLE12 THAT'S GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE TO HUNT.13 THERE AGAIN, WHEN THEY GO14 SOMEWHERE ELSE, THAT PUSHES THE DEMAND15 FOR THE LAND UP. IT'S JUST A16 NEVER-ENDING SITUATION, AND WE NEED TO DO17 SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU18 TO TAKE A SERIOUS CONSIDERATION FOR A19 STATEWIDE PERMIT SYSTEM THAT WOULD20 INVOLVE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, AND21 LET THE DOG HUNTERS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY22 TO DEVELOP PEOPLE AND KEEP PEOPLE HUNTING23 IN THE STATE OF ALABAMA. AND I THANK0034

1 YOU.2 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU, DON.34 (APPLAUSE)

56 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: ANYONE HAVE ANY

7 QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR. KNIGHT? IF8 NOT, THANK YOU.9 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: OUR NEXT,10 MR. DON NELSON.11 MR. NELSON: GOOD MORNING,12 MR. CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS. I'M13 MAYOR DON NELSON FROM CREOLA, ALABAMA.14 AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF BIG RACK15 HUNTING CLUB AND STOCK TALL GAP HUNTING16 CLUB AND JENSON STENSON (INAUDIBLE)17 LOCATED IN WEST BUTLER COUNTY.18 I WAS RAISED UP IN CREOLA UP IN19 BUTLER COUNTY. THERE WAS A GENTLEMAN20 THERE, MR. DON SUTTON, USED TO START21 TAKING US KIDS WHEN WE WERE YOUNG UP TO22 BUTLER COUNTY HUNTING. MY DAD DIED WHEN23 I WAS THIRTEEN, AND I GREW UP LEARNING TO00351 HUNT FROM THAT GENTLEMAN RIGHT YONDER2 WHEN THEY WERE BOW HUNTING IN BUTLER

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conservationadvbrdsummtg052006.txt3 COUNTY.4 I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS MAYBE A5 CONCERN ABOUT HUNTING THAT PART OF THE6 AREA RIGHT YONDER. BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE7 TO DO IS TO ASSURE YOU THAT DOG HUNTERS8 IN THAT PART OF BUTLER COUNTY REALLY9 RESPECT AND WORK WITH THEIR LOCAL PEOPLE10 IN TRYING TO FOSTER THAT RELATIONSHIP.11 AND IT'S A FAMILY-TYPE ENVIRONMENT WHERE12 WE HUNT AT.13 I APPRECIATE MR. FINCHER'S14 COMMENTS AND MR. KNIGHT'S COMMENTS THIS15 MORNING. MR. DON SUTTON AND MR. JAMES16 IVEY, THEY ARE MATURE GENTLEMEN RIGHT17 YONDER. AND THAT'S -- OUR CLUB IS A LOT18 OF OLDER, MATURE -- I'M ONE OF THE19 YOUNGER GUYS IN OUR CLUB RIGHT NOW. I20 GREW UP WITH THOSE GENTLEMEN. WE WANT TO21 RUN A GOOD CLUB, AND WE DO RUN A GOOD22 CLUB.23 WE WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE0036

1 QUICK SCENARIO ABOUT THE WAY OUR ROUTINE2 ON OUR OPENING MORNING RUNS RIGHT THERE.3 WE ALWAYS START OFF WITH A PRAYER THAT4 MORNING. WE HAVE A LOT OF CHILDREN AND5 FAMILIES AND WIVES THAT GOT THROUGH A6 SAFETY BRIEFING.7 MY OTHER OCCUPATION WHEN I'M NOT8 BEING THE MAYOR IN OUR LITTLE TOWN OF TWO9 THOUSAND THAT IS LOCATED JUST NORTH OF10 HERE, I'M A SAFETY PROFESSIONAL FOR11 ALABAMA POWER COMPANY. SO SAFETY IS REAL12 NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART, AND MAKING13 SURE EVERYBODY IS SAFE. WE'VE NEVER HAD14 A HUNTING ACCIDENT AT OUR CLUB, AND WE'RE15 PROUD OF THAT.

16 MR. FINCHER AND HIS COMMENTS,17 HE'S HUNTED WITH US BEFORE. HE'S A VERY18 GOOD MAN, AND HE KNOWS US VERY WELL19 THERE. AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT RIGHT20 YONDER. AFTER WE HUNT THAT DAY -- WE DO21 TWO OR THREE HUNTS -- WE HAVE A COOKOUT22 FOR ALL THE FAMILY MEMBERS AND PEOPLE23 THERE. WE ALSO DO THAT AT THE CONCLUSION00371 OF OUR HUNTING SEASON. AND THAT'S VERY2 PARAMOUNT, AS TO FOSTER THAT FAMILY3 ENVIRONMENT. THAT'S WHAT WE STRESS IS4 SAFETY RIGHT YONDER.5 I KNOW WE HAVE NEIGHBORS. I6 DON'T KNOW THE GENTLEMAN THAT RAISED THAT7 CONCERN IN MONTGOMERY, AND I'M SURE HE'S8 A GOOD MAN. AND IF HE HAS A CONCERN WITH9 OUR CLUB, THEN WE'RE WILLING TO SIT DOWN10 AND TALK.11 ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO AT OUR12 CLUB IS WE HAVE OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE WEST13 OF US, WHICH IS THE RIFLEMAN HUNTING14 CLUB, MR. BILLY COCHRAN, WHICH IS LOCATED15 SOUTH OF HIGHWAY 10 THERE WHERE MY16 BROTHER HUNTS WITH THREE OR FOUR17 GENTLEMEN I WORK WITH AT ALABAMA POWER.

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conservationadvbrdsummtg052006.txt18 WE GO OVER ON A WEEKLY BASIS, AND WE'LL19 HAVE SUPPER WITH THEM AND TALK TO THEM TO20 MAKE SURE WE HAVE NO ISSUES OF CONCERN.21 AND HE LETS US COME ON THEIR PROPERTY22 AND SAID, YOU COME ON OUR PROPERTY,23 MR. SUTTON, DON, Y'ALL COME OVER THERE00381 ANYTIME AND GO GET YOUR DOGS. AND WE DO2 THAT.3 MR. MIKE MIZZER FROM BLUFF RUN4 HUNTING CAMP, WHO IS LOCATED ABOUT TWO5 HUNDRED YARDS FROM OUR MAIN HUNTING CAMP6 THERE, WE'VE TALKED TO HIM -- AND HE'S7 LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE. AND WE'VE8 TALKED TO HIM TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO9 PROBLEM WITH ANY ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WITH10 THE GENTLEMEN RIGHT YONDER.11 WE FOSTER THAT RELATIONSHIP. AND12 THESE TWO CLUBS PROBABLY HAVE A LITTLE13 OVER SIX THOUSAND ACRES. AND OUR DOGS14 HISTORICALLY GO WEST AND NORTH TO THEIR15 PROPERTIES. AND THEY KNOW THAT, AND WE

16 WORK WITH THEM TO GO GET -- THEY HAVE TO17 BRING OUR DOGS BACK, THEY CALL US.18 THREE YEARS AGO WE INSTITUTED A19 TRACKING SYSTEM. IT'S THE BEST THING WE20 EVER DID. IT HELPS THE LANDOWNER AND21 HELPS TO MAKE SURE WE RETRIEVE OUR DOGS22 PROPERLY.23 WORKING WITH OUR LOCAL GAME00391 WARDEN, WE HAD TWO SITUATIONS LAST YEAR2 WHERE WE HAD INTERACTIONS WITH THEM,3 POSITIVE INTERACTION WHERE WE WAS HUNTING4 ON SOME OF OUR LEASED LAND. AN5 ACQUAINTANCE OF MINE, DR. ROBERT HARLEY6 WHO LIVES IN MOBILE, THEY CAME UP AND

7 THE GAME WARDENS COME OUT AND TALKED TO8 OUR PEOPLE. THEY CHECKED OUR PEOPLE.9 AND IT'S GREAT, EVERYBODY IS IN THE10 PROPER PLACE ON THE PROPER LOCATION.11 THEY WERE VERY COMPLIMENTARY ON THAT12 OCCASION.13 SECOND OCCASION WHERE WE HAD14 INTERACTION WITH THE LOCAL LAW15 ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, THEY WERE GOING16 ACROSS AND TRAVERSING OUR PROPERTY, GOING17 TO CHECK SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS ON THE18 EAST SIDE. THEY WERE IN VIOLATION, I19 THINK IT'S THE SECOND YEAR. THEY WERE20 NOT A DOG HUNTING CLUB, BUT THEY WERE IN21 VIOLATION FOR A SECOND YEAR IN A ROW.22 THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS, BUT THEY WENT23 ACROSS OUR PROPERTY AND TALKED TO OUR00401 HUNTERS, EVERYBODY WAS DOING EXACTLY WHAT2 THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. AND THEY WERE3 COMPLIMENTARY.4 AND AFTER THEY MADE THE COMMENT5 LAST YEAR, THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST YEARS6 THEY'VE EVER HAD IN DEALING WITH OUR7 PEOPLE. AND WE DON'T TOLERATE ANY TYPE8 OF PEOPLE DOING ANYTHING IMPROPER. ONE

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conservationadvbrdsummtg052006.txt9 OF THE "DO'S AND DON'TS," WE DO THAT10 OPENING MORNING, WE SAY, YOU DO THIS, YOU11 DO THIS, YOU DO THIS; YOU DON'T DO THESE12 TYPE THINGS HERE. WE DON'T TOLERATE IT.13 BUT IF YOU DO, WE'LL ASK YOU TO LEAVE OUR14 HUNTING CLUB.15 WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE FOR16 FORTY-PLUS YEARS. WE'RE THE OLDEST17 HUNTING CLUB IN BUTLER COUNTY. WE KNOW18 IT'S A PRIVILEGE THAT YOU ALLOW US TO DOG19 HUNT. WE WANT TO CONTINUE IT FOR OUR20 CHILDREN, OUR FAMILIES, AND THE FUTURE,21 AND CONTINUE TO DO THAT.22 I HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH23 MR. COLES. I SENT HIM A LETTER, AND I00411 APPRECIATE HIM AND TALKING WITH HIM. WE2 WANT TO WORK TOGETHER WITH PEOPLE. YOU3 UNDERSTAND THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT, AS A4 MAYOR, THAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL AND WORK5 WITH PEOPLE. AND I KNOW THERE'S TWO6 SIDES TO ANY STORY. AND IF THERE'S

7 ANYTHING WE CAN ALWAYS DO TO ASSIST THAT8 PART OF THE COUNTY, WE STAND WILLING TO9 WORK WITH ANYBODY.10 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU11 MR. NELSON. WE SURE APPRECIATE THAT.12 ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. NELSON OR COMMENTS?13 THERE BEING NONE, WE THANK YOU,14 MR. NELSON.15 MR. NELSON: ALL RIGHT. THANK16 YOU.17 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: OUR FINAL18 SPEAKER, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL ON MR. PAUL19 JEFFREYS.20 MR. JEFFREYS: GOOD MORNING,21 MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MY NAME IS PAUL

22 JEFFREYS. I'M FROM LAMAR COUNTY. I23 REPRESENT THE ASLC, ALABAMA SPORTSMAN AND00421 LANDOWNERS CONFERENCE. I'D JUST LIKE TO2 COME BEFORE Y'ALL TODAY AND THANK YOU FOR3 THE BAN IN NORTHWEST ALABAMA ON DOG DEER4 HUNTING. IT HAS IMPROVED THE WAY OF LIFE5 AND LIFESTYLE OF THE CIVILIANS IN THAT6 AREA.7 I WOULD ASK THAT YOU MAINTAIN8 THAT BAN IN THAT AREA, AND MAINTAIN IT9 BECAUSE IT HAS HELPED. THE LANDOWNERS10 AGREE THAT IT HAS IMPROVED THE HUNTING11 AND WAY OF LIFE. THANK Y'ALL.12 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU,13 MR. JEFFREYS. ONE COMMENT, GENTLEMEN,14 FOR EVERYONE. EACH GENTLEMAN THAT'S ON15 THIS BOARD IS DEDICATED TO WORK WITH HIS16 DISTRICT AND THE PEOPLE THAT HE17 REPRESENTS. SO DON'T HESITATE TO CALL18 UPON ANY OF US AT ANY TIME TO TRY TO WORK19 OUT SITUATIONS THAT MAY ARISE IN YOUR20 PARTICULAR CLUB OR WITH PARTICULAR21 LANDOWNERS.22 WE'RE HERE TO SERVE YOU, AND I23 PROMISE EACH ONE OF YOU WE'LL MAKE EVERY

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conservationadvbrdsummtg052006.txt15 PLEASED WITH THE RESULTS OF THE16 RESTRICTIONS.17 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU.18 MR. LYNCH?19 MR. LYNCH: DISTRICT THREE HAS20 BEEN RELATIVELY QUIET, AND I DON'T HAVE21 ANYTHING SPECIAL TO REPORT AT THIS TIME.22 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU, SIR.23 DR. MAY?00461 DR. MAY: BEING FROM DISTRICT2 SEVEN, I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD TO WHAT3 MR. JOHNNY JOHNSON SAID. I WILL SECOND4 WHAT HE SAID, THAT ANYTIME YOU HAVE ANY5 PROBLEMS IN OUR DISTRICT, PLEASE CONTACT6 US. WE'LL BE GLAD TO DO WHAT WE CAN.7 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: MR. SELF?8 MR. SELF: MR. CHAIRMAN, MY9 REPORT CONSISTS MAINLY OF COMMENTS AND10 CONCERNS I'VE RECEIVED ABOUT THE PROPOSED11 LNG TERMINAL TO GO SOUTH OF DAUPHIN12 ISLAND. AND I HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT I

13 INTEND TO ASK THE BOARD TO VOTE ON, AND14 I'LL DO THAT LATER ON IN THIS MEETING.15 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU VERY16 MUCH.1718 **********************19 OLD BUSINESS20 **********************2122 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: AT THIS TIME I23 WOULD LIKE TO REFER TO THE OLD BUSINESS00471 ON OUR AGENDA. AND FIRST ORDER IS MARINE2 POLICE. AND IF EACH BOARD MEMBER WILL3 LOOK AT YOUR AGENDA, YOU WILL SEE THAT

4 THE FIVE ITEMS ON THERE, WE DISCUSS THESE5 AND APPROVED THESE -- VOTED ON THESE AT6 THE LAST MEETING. AND MAJOR KELLEY, DO7 YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR ANYTHING THAT8 YOU WOULD LIKE TO STATE ON THIS?9 MAJOR KELLEY: NO, SIR, NOT AT10 THIS TIME. WE WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER11 ANY QUESTIONS IF ANYBODY HAS ANY FOR US.12 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: ANY QUESTIONS13 OF MAJOR KELLEY OR THIS DEPARTMENT AT14 THIS TIME REGARDING ANY OF THESE FIVE15 ISSUES? IF NOT, THE CHAIR WOULD NORMALLY16 WAIT ON A MOTION ON THAT. WE'VE ALREADY17 VOTED ON THESE, SO WE WILL VOTE ON ALL18 THE REGULATIONS AT A LATER TIME. THANK19 YOU, MAJOR KELLEY.20 SECONDLY, I WOULD LIKE TO GO TO21 WILDLIFE AND FRESHWATER FISHERIES. ON22 YOUR AGENDA YOU SEE WE HAVE THREE ITEMS,23 TWO OF WHICH WE VOTED AT THE LAST MEETING00481 TO APPROVE, ONE BEING TURTLE REGULATION,2 AND THE THIRD BEING ALLIGATOR3 REGULATIONS.4 THE ONLY THING WE HAVE NOT5 DISCUSSED OUT OF THE THREE ITEMS THERE IS

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conservationadvbrdsummtg052006.txt6 THE PROPOSED DOVE SEASON CHANGES THAT7 DR. MAY HAS BROUGHT UP AND WE DISCUSSED,8 AND HE HAS FURTHER DISCUSSED THAT WITH9 CORKY AND WITH GARY. DR. MAY, DO YOU10 HAVE ANY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME?11 DR. MAY: I HAVE NO FURTHER12 COMMENTS OTHER THAN I WOULD JUST LIKE TO13 HAVE THIS MOTION VOTED ON TODAY.14 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: DO YOU HAVE15 THAT MOTION?16 DR. MAY: THE MOTION THAT I MADE17 THEN AND I WOULD LIKE TO RE-PROPOSE IS18 THE MOURNING DOVE SEASON FOR '06-'07 FOR19 THE NORTH ZONE: FIFTEEN A DAY, FIFTEEN20 IN POSSESSION FOR A SIXTY-DAY SEASON, THE21 FIRST SEASON BEING FROM SEPTEMBER THE22 SIXTEENTH THROUGH OCTOBER THE 7TH, WHICH23 IS TWENTY-TWO DAYS; THE SECOND SEASON IS00491 NOVEMBER THE 4TH THROUGH NOVEMBER THE2 18TH, WHICH IS FIFTEEN DAYS; THE THIRD3 SEASON IS DECEMBER THE 16TH THROUGH

4 JANUARY THE 7, WHICH IS5 TWENTY-THREE DAYS; WHICH GIVES YOU A6 TOTAL OF SIXTY DAYS.7 THIS MOTION, I MADE IT ORIGINALLY8 BECAUSE OF A REQUEST FROM AN IN-STATE9 DOVE HUNTERS WHO HAD COMPLAINED THAT10 EARLY SEASON IS HOT, KIDS JUST GET11 IRRITABLE THEY CARRY HUNTING, THEY WANT12 TO GET HOME, DOGS GET HOT, AND BIRDS13 SPOIL IF YOU DON'T HAVE ICE CHESTS TO PUT14 THEM IN. SO BASICALLY, ALL WE'RE DOING15 IS SETTING THEM BACK SEVEN DAYS IN THE16 FIRST SEASON AND ADDING THEM ON TO THE17 LAST OF THE SEASON.18 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: DR. MAY HAS

19 MADE A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT20 MOTION?21 MR. JOHNSON: MR. CHAIRMAN, I22 SECOND.23 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: SECOND BY00501 MR. JOHNSON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION TO2 THAT MOTION?3 DR. SMITH: DOES THIS FALL WITHIN4 THE REGULATIONS OF THE MIGRATORY SPECIES,5 THE FEDS REGULATION?6 MR. PUGH: YES, SIR.7 DR. SMITH: DOES THIS FALL WITHIN8 THOSE REGULATIONS?9 MR. MOODY: (NODDING HEAD.)10 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: ARE THERE ANY11 OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTION? IF NOT, ALL12 IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SHALL SIGNIFY BY13 RAISING YOUR RIGHT HAND.1415 (ALL BOARD MEMBERS SIGNIFY.)1617 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: MOTION CARRIES.18 THANK YOU.19 MR. LYNCH: MR. HATLEY?20 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: YES.

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conservationadvbrdsummtg052006.txt21 MR. LYNCH: I WAS GOING TO TRY AN22 ASK A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT GILL NETS.23 DO WE DO THAT LATER, OR CAN I ASK IT NOW?00511 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: NOW WILL BE2 FINE.3 MR. LYNCH: Y'ALL RESPONDED FIRST4 ON THE NUMBER OF PERMITS ISSUED, ONLY5 NINE OF THOSE PERMITS WERE ISSUED TO6 OUT-OF-STATE COMPANIES?7 MR. JENKINS: INDIVIDUALS.8 MR. LYNCH: BUT AN INDIVIDUAL9 FROM ALABAMA CAN GET A PERMIT AND GO ON A10 VESSEL, AND THE PERMIT TRANSFERS TO THAT11 VESSEL?12 MR. JENKINS: NOT EXACTLY. THE13 PERMIT ALWAYS STAYS WITH THE INDIVIDUAL,14 AND HE HAS A PLACARD AND HIS PERMIT, AND15 HE CAN GO ON ANY VESSEL AND USE IT. SO16 WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS NOW IS THERE ARE17 SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT WILL GO TO FLORIDA18 RESIDENCES AND SEE THEIR BOATS, BUT IT

19 WILL ACTUALLY STILL BE AN ALABAMA PERMIT20 THAT WILL BE USED.21 MR. LYNCH: DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY22 IDEA ON THE CATCH OFF THESE GILL NETS,23 HOW MUCH OF THAT CATCH IS ACTUALLY SOLD00521 AND PROCESSED IN THE STATE OF ALABAMA2 VERSUS CARRIED OUTSIDE THE STATE AND SOLD3 ELSEWHERE?4 MR. JENKINS: YOU WILL ALL HAVE5 TO BE REPORTED OR LANDED HERE. NOW, HOW6 MUCH GOES OUT OF STATE AFTER IT'S SOLD,7 I'M NOT SURE.8 MR. HEATH: YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE9 ANY WAY TO TRACK THAT TRANSPORT. ONCE

10 IT'S LANDED, IT'S RECORDED AS AN ALABAMA11 LANDING. HOW MUCH OF IT TRAVELS OUT THE12 SECOND POINT OF SALE, WE DON'T HAVE.13 MR. LYNCH: WHAT'S THE TERM FOR14 THE FISH THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO CATCH?15 IS THAT A BY-CATCH? IS THAT THE RIGHT16 TERM?17 MR. HEATH: RIGHT.18 MR. LYNCH: OF THE FISH THAT THEY19 ACTUALLY CATCH IN A GIVEN SETTING OF THE20 NETS, WHAT PERCENTAGE IS A QUARRY THEY'RE21 AFTER AND WHAT PERCENT DOES BY-CATCH MAKE22 UP, OTHER FISHES?23 MR. JENKINS: THEY DO A PRETTY00531 GOOD JOB OF TARGETING THE SPECIES THEY'RE2 TRYING TO CATCH AT ANY ONE TIME. MOST OF3 THE TIME I WOULD SAY THAT YOUR BY-CATCH4 IS LESS THAN TEN PERCENT, OR SOMETHING5 ALONG THAT LINE. LIKE WITH OUR SHARKS,6 THERE'S A ALLOWABLE TEN PERCENT BY-CATCH7 OF THE SHARKS. IT'S A USUALLY A STANDARD8 USED FEDERALLY AND IN MOST STATES OF9 BY-CATCH, ALLOWABLE BY-CATCH, ON A LOT OF10 STUFF.11 MR. LYNCH: OKAY. THANK YOU

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conservationadvbrdsummtg052006.txt12 MR. HATLEY.13 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: THANK YOU14 MR. LYNCH.1516 ********************17 NEW BUSINESS18 ********************1920 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: ALL RIGHT. WE21 MOVE INTO NEW BUSINESS, AND THIS APPLIES22 TO THE MARINE POLICE DIVISION. AND THEY23 HAVE TWO REGULATIONS, ONE OF WHICH WE00541 HAVE ALREADY VOTED ON AND APPROVED. THE2 SECOND IS REGULATION FOR CONTROLLING3 NOISE LEVEL OF THE INLAND WATERS. AND4 MAJOR KELLEY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COMMENT5 ON THAT PLEASE? GO AHEAD, MR. KELLEY.6 MAJOR KELLEY: THIS IS NOT A NEW7 REGULATION. IT'S JUST MODIFYING AN OLD8 REGULATION. WHAT THIS WILL DO IS9 ESTABLISH THE METHOD FOR OUR OFFICERS TO

10 MEASURE THE DECIBEL LIMIT ON VESSELS ON11 THE LAKES.12 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: ANY QUESTIONS13 OF MAJOR KELLEY IN REFERENCE TO THIS14 ISSUE? THERE BEING DONE NONE, THE CHAIR15 RECOGNIZES MR. SELF.16 MR. SELF: REGARDING THE17 REGULATION FOR PERMIT FOR BOATS, WITH THE18 THREE FRESHWATER LAKES IN NORTH ALABAMA,19 I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE20 THE DEVELOPMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION OF A21 REGULATION REQUIRED BY LAW BY AN ACT22 NUMBER 2006-398.23 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: IS THERE A0055

1 SECOND TO THAT MOTION?2 MR. HARBIN: I SECOND.3 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: SECOND BY4 MR. HARBIN. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY5 RAISING THE RIGHT HAND.67 (ALL BOARD MEMBERS SIGNIFY.)

89 ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES.

10 THE REGULATION IS HEREBY ADOPTED.11 NUMBER TWO, MR. SELF, DO YOU HAVE12 A MOTION THERE?13 MR. SELF: YES, I DO.14 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: IT SHOULD15 PERTAIN TO THE OTHER REGULATIONS.16 MR. SELF: AT THIS TIME I WOULD17 LIKE TO INTRODUCE A RESOLUTION.18 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: SO RECOGNIZED.19 MR. SELF: THIS RESOLUTION IS TO20 DEAL WITH THE OPEN LOOP LNG TECHNOLOGY21 THAT MOST EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM IS22 FAMILIAR WITH THAT READS THE LOCAL23 NEWSPAPERS OR WATCHES TV, UNDERSTANDS00561 THAT THERE'S A PUSH FOR THAT2 CONOCOPHILLIPS TO BUILD THE LNG TERMINAL

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conservationadvbrdsummtg052006.txt3 JUST SOUTH OF DAUPHIN ISLAND.4 THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF CONCERN5 OF WHAT KIND OF IMPACT IT'S GOING TO HAVE6 ON MARINE FISHERIES. SO HAVING SAID7 THAT, I'LL READ THIS RESOLUTION AND PASS8 IT OUT TO THOSE WHO MIGHT BE CONCERNED.9 "WHEREAS THE CONSERVATION10 ADVISORY BOARD OF THE STATE OF ALABAMA11 RECOMMENDS THAT ALABAMA GOVERNOR BOB12 RILEY DENY THE USE OF OPEN RACK13 VAPORIZATION TECHNOLOGY FOR A LIQUIFIED14 NATURAL GAS TERMINAL PROPOSED BY15 CONOCOPHILLIPS ELEVEN MILES SOUTH OF16 DAUPHIN ISLAND.17 "AND WHEREAS THE ADVISORY BOARD18 REJECTS ASSERTIONS THAT THE IMPACT OF19 OPEN LOOP TERMINALS ON MARINE LIFE WOULD20 BE MINIMAL. NO SCIENCE HAS BEEN PRODUCED21 TO DEMONSTRATE MINIMAL IMPACTS OF22 ORGANISMS AT ALL LEVELS OF THE MARINE23 ECOSYSTEM FROM PLANKTON TO PREDATORS. NO0057

1 ONE KNOWS WHAT THE TRUE IMPACT WILL BE,2 BECAUSE NO ONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IS3 FLOATING IN THE OCEAN AT ALL DEPTHS AT4 ALL TIMES OF THE YEAR. THE EFFECTS OF5 CHILLING AND CHLORINATING MILLIONS OF6 GALLONS OF SEA WATER EVERY SINGLE DAY7 COULD BE PROFOUND AND FAR-REACHING.8 "AND WHEREAS THE ADVISORY BOARD9 OPPOSES THE USE OF OPEN LOOP TECHNOLOGY10 WHEN THERE ARE REASONABLE ALTERNATIVES11 AVAILABLE, SUCH AS CLOSED LOOP SYSTEMS12 THAT WILL DO FAR LESS DAMAGE TO THE13 MARINE ENVIRONMENT. THE ADVISORY BOARD14 ACKNOWLEDGES AND APPRECIATES THE NEED TO15 SUPPLY MUCH NEEDED ENERGY TO THE COUNTRY,

16 BUT IT IS ALSO AWARE IT DOES NOT REQUIRE17 THE RISK OF UNKNOWN DAMAGE TO POPULATIONS18 OF MARINE SPECIES WHEN THERE ARE OTHER19 VIABLE TECHNOLOGIES THAT CAN BALANCE20 THOSE NEEDS WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY TO21 PROTECT THE MARINE ECOSYSTEM AS FULLY AS22 POSSIBLE.23 "AND WHEREAS THE ADVISORY BOARD00581 ECHOES THE CONCERNS OUTLINED BY THE2 NATIONAL MARINE FISHERY SERVICE, THE GULF3 STATES MARINE FISHERIES COMMISSION, AND4 GULF OF MEXICO FISHERY MANAGEMENT5 COUNCIL, AND THE COASTAL CONSERVATION6 ASSOCIATION, AMONG OTHERS, INCLUDING A7 NUMBER OF STATE AGENCIES IN REJECTING THE8 USE OF OPEN LOOP TECHNOLOGY.9 "AND THEREFORE, THE ADVISORY10 BOARD URGES GOVERNOR RILEY TO VETO OPEN11 LOOP TECHNOLOGY PROPOSED BY12 CONOCOPHILLIPS FOR THE COMPASS PORT13 TERMINAL OFF OF ALABAMA'S COAST."14 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: MR. SELF, ARE15 YOU MAKING A MOTION WE ADOPT THIS16 RESOLUTION?17 MR. SELF: YES.

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conservationadvbrdsummtg052006.txt18 MR. LYNCH: SECOND.19 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: SECOND BY20 MR. LYNCH. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF21 MR. SELF AS IT MIGHT PERTAIN TO THIS22 RESOLUTION?23 MR. COLES: I WOULD LIKE TO00591 COMMEND MR. SELF AND YOURSELF ON WORKING2 IN THIS ENDEAVOR, AND I FULLY SUPPORT THE3 RESOLUTION. YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY HAS GOT4 TO BE THE WATCHDOG AND LOOK AFTER OUR5 NATURAL RESOURCES, AND I APPRECIATE6 MR. SELF AND YOURSELF HELPING US.7 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: IT'S A GREAT8 CONCERN, I PROMISE YOU. MR. SELF AND I9 BOTH HAVE BEEN INUNDATED WITH CALLS AND10 LETTERS IN REFERENCE TO THIS. AND I11 COMMEND MR. SELF ON THE EFFORT THAT HE12 HAS PUT FORTH ON THIS ISSUE.13 WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.14 CALL ALL IN FAVOR --15 DR. SMITH: EXCUSE ME. I HAVE A

16 QUESTION. LET ME ASK YOU, ANYBODY IN THE17 DEPARTMENT, IS THERE ANY PROS AND CONS?18 IS THERE SCIENCE OF ANY KIND THAT WE LOOK19 AT THAT HAS SPECIFICS THAT WE NEED TO20 LOOK AT?21 COMMISSIONER LAWLEY: THERE IS22 NONE. THAT'S THE WHOLE PROBLEM: THERE23 IS NO SCIENCE.00601 DR. SMITH: THERE IS NONE.2 COMMISSIONER LAWLEY: BASICALLY,3 WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS PUMP AROUND A4 HUNDRED AND FIFTY TO SIXTY MILLION5 GALLONS OF GULF WATER THROUGH THIS6 VAPORIZATION UNIT THAT WILL THAW FROZEN

7 NATURAL GAS AND PUT IT INTO THE GASEOUS8 STATE. THE WATER GOES BACK INTO THE9 GULF, LIKE ROSS SAID, AND ABOUT FIFTEEN10 DEGREES COOLER AND MIXED WITH CHLORINE.11 WELL, THEY HAVE SAID THEY HAD12 CHANGED THE PROCESS NOW, THAT THEY ARE13 NOT USING CHLORINATION, WHICH WOULD14 AUTOMATICALLY KILL YOUR PLANKTON, WHICH15 IS THE LOWEST FORM OF THE FOOD CHAIN AS16 WELL AS ONE OF THE THE MAJOR CREATORS OF17 THE OXYGEN THAT WE BREATHE. GEORGE18 KROGER AT DAUPHIN ISLAND SEA LAB HAS BEEN19 TRYING TO DEVELOP BASELINE STUDY TO SEE20 WHAT WE HAVE OUT THERE. HE'S BEEN21 WORKING ON IT ABOUT YEAR AND A HALF AT22 THE EXPENSE OF CONOCOPHILLIPS.23 BUT GEORGE, AS WELL AS THEIR00611 EXPERTS, AS WELL AS (INAUDIBLE), AS WELL2 AS MARINE FISHERIES SAYS IT NEEDS TO BE3 AT LEAST A FIVE-YEAR PLAN TO DEVELOP ANY4 KIND OF BASELINE. WHAT WE'RE AFRAID OF5 IS THE UNKNOWN. YOU KNOW, IF IT DOES6 CAUSE DAMAGE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD TAKE7 DECADES TO REPLACE THAT DAMAGE DONE BY8 THE TIME THAT YOU REALIZE IT.

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conservationadvbrdsummtg052006.txt9 SO, YOU KNOW, UNTIL THE BASELINE10 CAN BE ESTABLISHED AND A MEASURING POINT11 CAN BE MADE, WE'RE TAKING THE POSITION12 THAT IT NEEDS TO BE CLOSED LOOP. NOW, IF13 THEY WOULD DO A CLOSED LOOP, LET THESE14 DIFFERENT GROUPS DEVELOP A BASELINE STUDY15 TO SEE WHAT YOU HAVE, TRY OPEN LOOP; IF16 IT DOES NO DAMAGE, THAT'S FINE.17 BUT RIGHT NOW, YOU DON'T EVEN18 HAVE A MEASURING STICK. AND THIS WOULD19 BE THE FIRST PLANT OF ITS KIND IN THE20 WORLD, AND I JUST REALLY DON'T WANT TO BE21 THE GUINEA PIG IN THIS AREA.22 DR. SMITH: THANK YOU.23 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: DR. SMITH, DOES00621 THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?2 DR. SMITH: YES, THANK YOU.3 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: WE HAVE A4 MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THERE ANY5 FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY FURTHER6 QUESTIONS? IF NOT, ALL IN FAVOR OF SAID

7 RESOLUTION RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.89 (ALL BOARD MEMBERS SIGNIFY.)

1011 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: ANY OPPOSED?12 MOTION CARRIES. THE RESOLUTION IS13 ADOPTED BY THIS BOARD TO PRESENT TO THE14 GOVERNOR.1516 *************************17 SELECTION OF DATE AND18 LOCATION OF FEBRUARY19 2007 ADVISORY BOARD20 MEETING21 ************************

2223 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: AT THIS TIME,00631 WE TYPICALLY HAVE THE DATE SET FOR THE2 NEXT MEETING. AND IT IS TENTATIVELY SET3 FOR FEBRUARY 3RD, 2007, AT GUNTERSVILLE4 STATE PARK. AND AGAIN, I SAID THAT IS5 TENTATIVELY, BECAUSE LAST YEAR WE GOT6 INTO SOME BAD WEATHER SITUATIONS AND WE7 DON'T WANT TO CUT SHORT OUR MEETING8 BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER.9 AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO CALL10 ON MR. ROSS SELF FOR A MOTION.11 MR. SELF: MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD12 LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL THE13 DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS SINCE THE LAST14 ADVISORY BOARD MEETING.15 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: WE HAVE A16 MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?17 MR. JOHNSON: SECOND.18 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: SECOND BY19 MR. JOHNSON.20 ONE COMMENT BEFORE WE VOTE. THIS21 DOES ENCOMPASS ALL THE REGULATIONS22 PRESENTED BY THE MARINE POLICE AND OTHER23 DEPARTMENTS, WILDLIFE AND FISHERIES. ALL

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conservationadvbrdsummtg052006.txt00641 IN FAVOR OF SAID MOTION, RAISE YOUR RIGHT2 HAND.3 (ALL BOARD MEMBERS SIGNIFY.)45 CHAIRMAN HATLEY: NONE OPPOSED.

6 MOTION CARRIES; ALL ARE ADOPTED.7 THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS8 TO COME BEFORE THIS BODY, I DECLARE US9 ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.10 END OF MEETING11 9:52 A.M.12131415161718192021

222300651 C E R T I F I C A T E23 STATE OF ALABAMA)

4 JEFFERSON COUNTY)5 I, JAMIE BURNETT, COURT REPORTER,6 DO HEREBY CERTIFY THAT I RECORDED, BY7 MEANS OF STENOTYPE, THE FOREGOING8 PROCEEDINGS AT THE TIME AND PLACE STATED9 IN THE CAPTION HEREOF. THAT LATER, UNDER10 MY SUPERVISION, THE PROCEEDINGS WERE11 TRANSCRIBED BY MEANS OF COMPUTER-AIDED12 TRANSCRIPTION, AND THE FOREGOING

13 REPRESENTS A FULL, TRUE, AND CORRECT14 TRANSCRIPT OF THE PROCEEDINGS ON SAID15 OCCASION.16 I FURTHER CERTIFY THAT I AM17 NEITHER OF COUNSEL NOR OF KIN TO ANY18 PARTIES OF SAID CAUSE, NOR AM I IN ANY19 MANNER INTERESTED IN THE RESULT THEREOF.202122 JAMIE BURNETT, COURT REPORTER23

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