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D O C U M E N T IS T H E P R O P E R T Y O F H E R BRITANNIC M A J E S T Y *S G O V E R N M E N T

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II V P F L I A M E N T A R Y

AIRS 1 j T h e C a b i n e t w e r e i n f o r m e d of t h e b u s i n e s s t o b e t a k e n In t h e

H o u s e of C o m m o n s d u r i n g t h e fol lowing w e e k .

T H E L O R D P R E S I D E N T O p THE COUNCIL s a i d t h a t on 2 0 J u l y t i m e t a b l e m o t i o n s h a d b e e n p a s s e d f o r t h e r e m a i n i n g C o m m o n s s t a g e s of t h e E d u c a t i o n a n d R e n t ( A g r i c u l t u r e ) B i l l s , t h e D o c k w o r k R e g u l a t i o n a n d H e a l t h S e r v i c e s B i l l s , and the A i r c r a f t a n d S h i p ­b u i l d i n g I n d u s t r i e s B U I , T h e t h r e e s u p p l e m e n t a r y m o t i o n s on 8 N o v e m b e r , e a c h of wh ich cou ld b e d e b a t e d f o r up t o one h o u r , would a l l o t s i x h o u r s f o r t h e f i r s t c o n s i d e r a t i o n of L o r d s a m e n d m e n t s on e a c h B U I a n d t h r e e h o u r s f o r any o t h e r m e s s a g e s f r o m t h e L o r d s . T h e r e would b e p r o t e s t e f r o m t h e Oppos i t ion , b u t e a c h of t h e * e B i l l s , a n d p a r t i c u l a r l y t h e A i r c r a f t and Shipbui ld ing I n d u s t r i e s B i l l , had a l r e a d y t a k e n f a r m o r e t i m e in t h e C o m m o n s t h a n w a s u s u a l e v e n f o r m a j o r l e g i s l a t i o n .

T H E L O R D PRIVY S E A L s a i d t h a t i t would n o t b e p o s s i b l e a d e q u a t e l y t o d i s c u s s a l l t h e L o r d s a m e n d m e n t s t o t h e s e B i l l s In t h e c o u r s e of s i x h o u r s f o r e a c h BUI ; t h e r e w e r e 58 a m e n d m e n t s t o t h e A i r c r a f t a n d Shipbui ld ing I n d u s t r i e s B U I a l o n e . When t h e B i l l s w e r e r e t u r n e d f r o m t h e Commonsf t h e L o r d s would b e l i k e l y t o a r g u e t h a t t h e C o m m o n s h a d r e j e c t e d s o m e of t h e i r a m e n d m e n t s wi thou t d i s c u s s i o n , o r w i thou t p r o p e r d i s c u s s i o n , a n d t h a t s o m e I m p o r t a n t p r o v i s i o n s h a d b e e n g u i l l o t i n e d t w i c e a n d n e v e r p r o p e r l y d i s c u s s e d on t h e F l o o r of t h e C o m m o n s a t a U , It would b e of s o m e p r e s e n t a t i o n a l v a l u e , a n d m i g h t h e l p t c r e d u c e t h e n u m b e r of f u r t h e r e x c h a n g e s of m e s s a g e s b e t w e e n t h e t w o H o u s e s , if e i g h t h o u r s cou ld b e a U o w e d r a t h e r t h a n s i x .

In d i s c u s s i o n i t w a s p o i n t e d out t h a t t h e Oppos i t i on i n t h e C o m m o n s h a d no t s o f a r p r e s s e d f o r m o r e t i m e , a n d t h e t h r e e s u p p l e m e n t a r y m o t i o n s h a d n o w b e e n p l a c e d on t h e O r d e r P a p e r . It m i g h t n e v e r ­t h e l e s s b e w o r t h o f fe r ing e x t r a t i m e on t h e B U I , o r t h e t w o B i l l s , w h i c h h a d a t t r a c t e d t h e g r e a t e s t n u m b e r of L o r d s a m e n d m e n t s . In c o u n t e r i n g C o n s e r v a t i v e p r o t e s t s i t m i g h t b e u se fu l t o c i t e t h e e x a m p l e of t h e l a s t C o n s e r v a t i v e G o v e r n m e n t i n f o r c i n g t h e i r I n d u s t r i a l R e l a t i o n s A c t t h r o u g h P a r l i a m e n t .

T H E P R I M E M I N I S T E R , s u m m i n g u p a b r i e f d i s c u s s i o n , s a i d t h a t t h e G o v e r n m e n t shou ld n o t v o l u n t e e r a n y a l t e r a t i o n i n t h e t h r e e s u p p l e m e n t a r y m o t i o n s , H , h o w e v e r , t h e Oppos i t i on w e r e t o p r e s s f o r m o r e t i m e , i t m i g h t b e w o r t h c o n c e d i n g a f u r t h e r t w o h o u r s o n one o r t w o of t h e B i l l s if t h a t wou ld e a s e t h e p o s i t i o n w h e n t h e s e B U l s w e r e r e t u r n e d t o t h e L o r d s a n d r e d u c e t h e l i ke ly n u m b e r of s u b s e q u e n t e x c h a n g e s b e t w e e n t h e t w o H o u s e s ,

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2 . T h e C a b i n e t c o n s i d e r e d a m e m o r a n d u m b y t h e S e c r e t a r y of S t a t e f o r S o c i a l S e r v i c e s (CP(76) 97) on t h e p r o p o s e d B i l l t o r e c o v e r f r o m m o t o r i s t s t h r o u g h i n s u r a n c e c o m p a n i e s t h e ful l c o s t s t o t h e N a t i o n a l H e a l t h S e r v i c e (NHS) of t r e a t i n g r o a d a c c i d e n t c a s e s .

T H E S E C R E T A R Y OF S T A T E F O R SOCIAL SERVICES s a i d t h a t w h e n t h e C a b i n e t had c o n s i d e r e d pub l i c e x p e n d i t u r e on 19 J u l y h e h a d p r o p o s e d t o s a v e £ 2 0 million In 1977-78 a n d £ 4 0 m i l l i o n i n a ful l y e a r b y l e g i s l a t i o n t o r e c o v e r , m a i n l y f r o m I n s u r a n c e c o m p a n i e s , t h e fu l l c o s t s t o t h e NHS of t r e a t i n g r o a d a c c i d e n t c a s e s . If t h i s p r o p o s a l wh ich h a d n o t a t t h a t s t a g e b e e n w o r k e d out in d e t a i l d id n o t p r o v e p r a c t i c a b l e h e h a d u n d e r t a k e n t o find a l t e r n a t i v e s a v i n g s in 1977-78 . He w a s s t i l l r e a d y t o p r o c e e d with l e g i s l a t i o n if t h e C a b i n e t s o w i s h e d ; a d e t a i l e d s c h e m e h a d b e e n a g r e e d i n H o m e Af fa i r s C o m m i t t e e , t h e r e h a d b e e n e x t e n s i v e c o n s u l t a t i o n wi th i n t e r e s t e d p a r t i e s a n d t h e B i l l w a s n e a r l y r e a d y . T h e r e w e r e , h o w e v e r , c h a n g e s i n c i r c u m s t a n c e s s i n c e J u l y w h i c h l e d h i m t o f e e l t h a t t h e r e w e r e b e t t e r a l t e r n a t i v e s . T h e p r e s s u r e o n t h e l e g i s l a t i v e p r o g r a m m e In 1977-78 h a d b e c o m e m o r e a c u t e a n d t h e r s would b e g r e a t a d v a n t a g e i n e l i m i n a t i n g t h e n e e d f o r one B i l l . F r o m t h e c o n s u l t a t i o n s wh ich h a d t a k e n p l a c e i t w a s e v i d e n t t h a t t h e B i l l would b e c o n t r o v e r s i a l . The B i l l would a l s o be m o r e d i f f i cu l t t o de fend t o t h e H o u s e t h a n h e h a d a n t i c i p a t e d b e c a u s e i t h a d b e e n d e c i d e d In r e c e n t P u b l i c E x p e n d i t u r e S u r v e y C o m m i t t e e d i s c u s s i o n s t h a t t h e r e v e n u e i t g e n e r a t e d i n t h e y e a r s a f t e r 1977-78 cou ld n o t b e u s e d t o s u s t a i n a d d i t i o n a l e x p e n d i t u r e for t h e NHS b u t s h o u l d , f o r a l l p r a c t i c a l p u r p o s e s , b e m e r g e d wi th t h e g e n e r a l r e v e n u e f r o m t a x a t i o n . F i n a l l y t h e p u b l i c e x p e n d i t u r e p o s i t i o n h a d b e c o m e g r a v e r s i n c e J u l y and t h e r e would b e a c o r r e s p o n d i n g a t t r a c t i o n i n a l t e r n a t i v e w a y s of r a i s i n g r e v e n u e wh ich cou ld b e m a d e e f f ec t i ve f o r t h e w h o l e of 1977-78 r a t h e r t h a n f o r t h e ha l f y e a r wh ich w a s t h e m o s t t h a t cou ld b e a c h i e v e d wi th h i s l e g i s l a t i o n . H e m e r e ­f o r e c o n s i d e r e d t h a t It wou ld b e p r e f e r a b l e t o c o l l e c t a n a m o u n t e q u i v a l e n t t o t h e r e l e v a n t NHS t r e a t m e n t c o s t s b y a n I n c r e a s e i n V e h i c l e E x c i s e Du ty ( V E D ) . The c h a r g e for t h i s p u r p o s e c o u l d b e a d i s t i n c t e l e m e n t w h i c h c o u l d b e a c c o u n t e d f o r s e p a r a t e l y a n d a d j u s t e d p e r i o d i c a l l y a s t h e s e c o s t s c h a n g e d . T h e c h a r g e c o u l d b e m a d e b y a p r o v i s i o n In t h e 1977 F i n a n c e B U I , t h u s e l i m i n a t i n g t h e n e e d f o r s p e c i f i c l e g i s l a t i o n a n d r a i s i n g a fu l l y e a r ' s r e v e n u e .

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In d i s c u s s i o n i t w a s po in ted ou t t h a t t h e r e h a d b e e n a c l e a r c o m m i t m e n t in J u l y e i t h e r t o i n t r o d u c e t h e B i l l o r t o m a k e a l t e r n a t i v e s a v i n g s . T o r a i s e a d d i t i o n a l t a x a t i o n b y m e a n s of a n i n c r e a s e in V E D w a s n o t a s a t i s f a c t o r y a l t e r n a t i v e and would n o t e n a b l e t h e G o v e r n m e n t t o k e e p w i t h i n t h e a g r e e d l i m i t s f o r p u b l i c e x p e n d i t u r e . T h e r e w e r e w e l l ­e s t a b l i s h e d o b j e c t i o n s of p r i n c i p l e t o h y p o t h e c a t i n g t a x r e v e n u e a s w a s Invo lved i n t h i s p r o p o s a l . T h e a l t e r n a t i v e p o s s i b i l i t y of i n c r e a s i n g t h e NHS c o m p o n e n t of t h e n a t i o n a l i n s u r a n c e c o n t r i b u t i o n w a s e q u a l l y u n a c c e p t a b l e . It would m e a n t h a t t h e c o s t s w e r e m e t by t h e p o p u l a t i o n a t l a r g e w h e r e a s t h e p r i n c i p l e beh ind t h e l e g i s l a t i o n w a s t h a t m o t o r i s t s shou ld pay f o r t h e c o s t s t h e y b r o u g h t a b o u t . A n a d d i t i o n a l p r o v i s i o n in t h e F i n a n c e B i l l t o i n c r e a s e t h e V E D would a l s o b e c o n t r o v e r s i a l . Whi l e a r e v i e w of a l l t r a n s p o r t t a x e s w a s n e e d e d , a n d w a s i n d e e d a l r e a d y u n d e r w a y , t h i s cou ld no t give r e s u l t s in t h e s h o r t t e r m . T h e a l t e r n a t i v e s w e r e t h e r e f o r e t o con t inue wi th t h e B i l l o r t o c u t p u b l i c e x p e n d i t u r e e i t h e r i n t h e h e a l t h s e r v i c e o r on o t h e r p r o g r a m m e s .

In f u r t h e r d i s c u s s i o n i t w a s a r g u e d s t r o n g l y t h a t a l though t h e H o m e A f f a i r s C o m m i t t e e h a d a p p r o v e d t h e d e t a i l e d s c h e m e f o r r e c o v e r y of a c c i d e n t c o s t s f u r t h e r w o r k s u g g e s t e d t h a t i t w a s o p e n t o s e r i o u s o b j e c t i o n s . T h e s e w e r e so s e r i o u s t h a t t h e y c a s t doub t w h e t h e r t h e l e g i s l a t i o n c o u l d b e c a r r i e d i n P a r l i a m e n t i n t h e f o r m p r o p o s e d , and w h e t h e r if c a r r i e d i t would y i e l d t h e e x p e c t e d r e v e n u e .

T H E P R I M E M I N I S T E R , s u m m i n g u p t h e d i s c u s s i o n , s a i d t h a t t h e C a b i n e t a p p r e c i a t e d t h a t t h e p o s s i b i l i t y of i n c r e a s i n g V E D h a d b e e n put f o r w a r d a s a c o n s t r u c t i v e a l t e r n a t i v e t o t h e l e g i s l a t i v e p r e s s u r e s wh ich would a r i s e f r o m a B i l l to p e r m i t r e c o v e r y of r o a d a c c i d e n t t r e a t m e n t c o s t s . N e v e r t h e l e s s t h e C a b i n e t r e a f f i r m e d t h e d e c i s i o n w h i c h t h e y h a d t a k e n i n J u l y t h a t e i t h e r a B i l l shou ld b e i n t r o d u c e d w h i c h would p e r m i t c h a r g e s of £ 2 0 m i l l i o n t o b e l e v i e d i n 1977-78 o r a l t e r n a t i v e s a v i n g s shou ld b e found b y t h e S e c r e t a r y of S t a t e f o r Soc i a l S e r v i c e s , if t h e S e c r e t a r y of S ta te f o r S o c i a l S e r v i c e s fe l t in t h e l igh t of t h e c r i t i c i s m s w h i c h had b e e n m a d e of t h e p r o p o s e d B i l l t h a t h e shou ld s e e k a l t e r n a t i v e e x p e n d i t u r e s a v i n g s h e shou ld b r i n g t h e m a t t e r b e f o r e H o m e a n d S o c i a l A f f a i r s C o m m i t t e e .

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T o o k n o t e , w i th a p p r o v a l , of t h e P r i m e M i n i s t e r ' s s u m m i n g u p of t h e i r d i s c u s s i o n and inv i t ed t h e S e c r e t a r y of S t a t e f o r S o c i a l S e r v i c e s t o b e gu ided a c c o r d i n g l y .

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3 , T h e C a b i n e t h a d b e f o r e t h e m a n o t e b y t h e C h a n c e l l o r of t h e E x c h e q u e r (CP(76) 98) t o wh ich w a s a t t a c h e d a no t e b y t h e Chief S e c r e t a r y , T r e a s u r y , a b o u t t h e p o s s i b i l i t y of u s i n g s a v i n g s on P o s t Office i n v e s t m e n t t o c o v e r i n c r e a s e d e x p e n d i t u r e on s e l e c t i v e a s s i s t a n c e t o i n d u s t r y ,

T H E C H I E F S E C R E T A R Y , TREASURY, s a i d t h a t t h e G o v e r n m e n t h a d r e c e n t l y a g r e e d u p o n , a n d p e r s u a d e d t h e S e l e c t C o m m i t t e e o n E x p e n d i t u r e t o a g r e e t o , a c h a n g e d t r e a t m e n t of t h e f i g u r e s f o r n a t i o n a l i s e d i n d u s t r y c a p i t a l i n v e s t m e n t . A s a r e s u l t , t h e de f in i t ion of p u b l i c e x p e n d i t u r e would i n f u t u r e e x c l u d e t h a t p a r t of t h a t c a p i t a l i n v e s t m e n t wh ich w a s no t f inanced f r o m pub l i c f u n d s . T h i s w a s a v e r y d e s i r a b l e i m p r o v e m e n t , but i n e v i t a b l y i t m e a n t , i n t h e y e a r i n w h i c h t h e c h a n g e w a s m a d e , t h a t t h e r e w a s n o b a s e l i n e (in t e r m s of w h a t t h e f i g u r e s on t h e n e w b a s i s would h a v e b e e n had t h a t b a s i s b e e n i n u s e w h e n t h e l a s t Whi t e P a p e r w a s c o m p i l e d ) a g a i n s t wh ich t o m e a s u r e a l l e g e d s a v i n g s ; and t h a t m a d e i t v e r y diff icul t t o u s e such s a v i n g s a s a n o f f se t t o e x c e s s e x p e n d i t u r e e l s e w h e r e . In a n y c a s e , e v e n if s u c h b a s e l i n e f i g u r e s cou ld b e c o n s t r u c t e d In a way wh ich wou ld n o t a r o u s e s u s p i c i o n s of b o o k - c o o k i n g a m o n g o u t s i d e c o m m e n t a t o r s , i t would no t b e d e f e n s i b l e t o d o i t f o r t h e P o s t Office a l o n e , a n d i t would h a v e t o b e done f o r a l l n a t i o n a l i s e d i n d u s t r i e s . W h e n t h e n e e d s of t h e B r i t i s h N a t i o n a l Oil C o r p o r a t i o n a n d of t h e n e w n a t i o n a l i s e d i n d u s t r i e s - B r i t i s h A e r o s p a c e a n d B r i t i s h S h i p b u i l d e r s ­w e r e t a k e n i n t o a c c o u n t , t h e r e m i g h t w e l l be n o s a v i n g t o u s e . M o r e i m p o r t a n t s t i l l , a n y a t t e m p t t o o p e r a t e i n t h i s way w a s l i a b l e t o j e o p a r d i s e t h e c r e d i b i l i t y of t h e i m p o r t a n t n e w p r e s e n t a t i o n a l change wh ich w a s n o w w i n n i n g a c c e p t a n c e . In h i s v i e w , t h e r e f o r e , t h e s a v i n g s d e r i v e d f r o m the P o s t Office i n v e s t m e n t p r o g r a m m e could n o t b e u s e d a s a n of fse t t o a d d i t i o n a l e x p e n d i t u r e on i n d u s t r i a l s u p p o r t .

T H E P R I M E M I N I S T E R , s u m m i n g u p a b r i e f d i s c u s s i o n , s a i d t h a t i t w a s g e n e r a l l y a g r e e d t h a t i t w a s i m p o r t a n t t o d o noth ing which would u p s e t t h e s u c c e s s of t h e n e w f o r m of p r e s e n t a t i o n . T o h a v e got t h a t n e w p r e s e n t a t i o n g e n e r a l l y a c c e p t e d w a s a c o n s i d e r a b l e a c h i e v e m e n t b y t h e T r e a s u r y , w h o shou ld b e c o n g r a t u l a t e d . It would b e he lpful If t h e C h a n c e l l o r of t h e E x c h e q u e r w e r e t o c i r c u l a t e a no t e which M i n i s t e r s cou ld h a v e b y t h e m for r e f e r e n c e se t t i ng o u t t h e n e w d e f i n i t i o n of p u b l i c e x p e n d i t u r e a n d t h e p r o p o r t i o n t h i s r e v i s e d t o t a l b o r e t o t h e G r o s s D o m e s t i c P r o d u c t c o m p a r e d with t h e o ld de f in i t i on . On t h e i m m e d i a t e p r o b l e m b e f o r e C a b i n e t , i t w a s r e c o g n i s e d t h a t t h e r e w a s a r e a l r e d u c t i o n i n P o s t Office i n v e s t m e n t , which would n o doub t b e r e f l e c t e d i n a l o w e r c a l l on t h e G o v e r n m e n t f o r f i n a n c i n g ; b u t i t w a s l e s s c l e a r w h e t h e r , g iven t h e d i f f icu l ty of m a k i n g t h e n e c e s s a r y a s s u m p t i o n s a b o u t p r i c e s and p r i v a t e s e c t o r f i n a n c i n g , t h e f i g u r e s f o r n a t i o n a l i s e d i n d u s t r i e s a s a whole on t h e n e w b a s i s would b e h i g h e r o r l o w e r t h a n t h e y would h a v e b e e n In t h e l a s t Whi te P a p e r , a n d thiB w a s a n e x e r c i s e wh ich shou ld b e d o n e . H o w e v e r , i t w a s

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c l e a r t h a t t h e r e cou ld b e n o q u e s t i o n of u s i n g such a h y p o t h e t i c a l b a s e ­l i n e in t h e Whi te P a p e r t o b e pub l i shed i n J a n u a r y , a l t h o u g h t h e s i t u a t i o n would b e d i f f e r e n t In s u b s e q u e n t Whi te P a p e r s .

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It Took n o t e , wi th a p p r o v a l , of t h e P r i m e M i n i s t e r ' a s u m m i n g u p of t h e i r d i s c u s s i o n .

2 . A g r e e d t h a t s a v i n g s a r i s i n g f r o m t h e r e d u c t i o n i n P o s t Office i n v e s t m e n t could no t b e of fse t a g a i n s t i n c r e a s e s in e x p e n d i t u r e on i n d u s t r i a l s u p p o r t .

3 . Inv i t ed t h e C h a n c e l l o r of t h e E x c h e q u e r t o c i r c u l a t e a n o t e a b o u t t h e n e w def in i t ion of pub l i c e x p e n d i t u r e .

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4 . T h e C a b i n e t had b e f o r e t h e m a m e m o r a n d u m b y t h e C h a n c e l l o r of t h e E x c h e q u e r (CP(76) 99) r e p o r t i n g on a d i s c u s s i o n i n t h e M i n i s t e r i a l C o m m i t t e e on E c o n o m i c and I n d u s t r i a l P o l i c y (El) a b o u t a d d i t i o n a l e x p e n d i t u r e on s e l e c t i v e a s s i s t a n c e t o i n d u s t r y ,

THE C H A N C E L L O R OF T H E E X C H E Q U E R sa id t h a t i n h i s s t a t e m e n t of 22 J u l y l a s t h e h a d s a i d t h a t t h e G o v e r n m e n t p l a n n e d t o i n c r e a s e s i g n i f i c a n t l y t h e r e s o u r c e s a v a i l a b l e f o r s e l e c t i v e a s s i s t a n c e t o i n d u s t r y t h r o u g h t h e N a t i o n a l E n t e r p r i s e B o a r d (NEB) a n d t h e Scottish a n d W e l s h D e v l o p m e n t A g e n c i e s , a s w e l l a s t h r o u g h d i s c r e t i o n a r y a s s i s t a n c e in s u p p o r t of t h e lndustr in .1 s t r a t e g y . T h e S e c r e t a r y of S t a t e f o r I n d u s t r y h a d p u t f o r w a r d p r o p o s a l s t o i m p l e m e n t t h i s , e s t i m a t e d t o c o s t £ 9 0 m i l l i o n In 1977-78 , £142 m i l l i o n in 1978-79 , £195 million i n 1979-80 a n d £216 m i l l i o n in 1980-81. E l h a d c o n s i d e r e d w a y s i n wh ich t h i s a d d i t i o n a l e x p e n d i t u r e m i g h t b e offset by s a v i n g s c n n o n - s e l e c t i v e a s s i s t a n c e , b u t t h e y h a d b e e n unab le t o r e a c h a n y a g r e e m e n t . T h e m a j o r i t y of t h e C o m m i t t e e d i d no t f avour m a k i n g s a v i n g s b y end ing R e g i o n a l E m p l o y m e n t P r e m i u m ( R E P ) in t h e D e v e l o p m e n t A r e a s (DA); and s o m e m e m b e r s of t h e C o m m i t t e e had favoiorad m a k i n g R e g i o n a l D e v e l o p m e n t G r a n t s (RDG) m o r e s e l e c t i v e (eg b y l i m i t i n g p a y m e n t s in r e s p e c t of v e r y l a r g e p r o j e c t s wh ich had l i t t l e f l ex ib i l i t y i n l o c a t i o n ) , by r e d u c i n g t h e l e v e l of RDG i n I n t e r m e d i a t e a n d D e v e l o p m e n t A r e a s (IA and DA), and b y r e v i e w i n g t h e b o u n d a r i e s of t h e A s s i s t e d A r e a s (AA) a s a whole t o r e d u c e t h e i r c o v e r a g e . T h e s e w e r e , h o w e v e r , i m p o r t a n t m a t t e r s of p o l i c y , and t h e y cou ld n o t b e s e t t l e d in a d a y o r s o . M o r e t i m e w a s n e e d e d for t h e i r c o n s i d e r a t i o n . S o m e m e m b e r s of t h e C o m m i t t e e h a d f avoured m a k i n g f r e e d e p r e c i a t i o n t h r o u g h t h e t a x s y s t e m m o r e s e l e c t i v e , bu t in h i s v i e w t h i s would b e d a m a g i n g t o i n d u s t r i a l confidence. The p r o b l e m f o r C a b i n e t w a s t o d e c i d e h o w t h e e x t r a e x p e n d i t u r e shou ld be o f f s e t .

T H E S E C R E T A R Y OF S T A T E F O R INDUSTRY s a i d t h a t t h e G o v e r n m e n t s c o m m i t m e n t t o g ive p r i o r i t y t o i n d u s t r i a l d e v e l o p m e n t o v e r c o n s u m p t i o n a n d t h e i r s o c i a l o b j e c t i v e s h a d n o t b e e n c a r r i e d out; a n d a i d t o i n d u s t r y h a d i n f a c t g o n e down a s a p r o p o r t i o n of pub l i c e x p e n d i t u r e . I n d u s t r i a l con f idence w a s b e i n g e r o d e d by s u c h t h i n g s a s t h e s u r c h a r g e on t h e e m p l o y e r s 1 n a t i o n a l i n s u r a n c e c o n t r i b u t i o n a n d t h e 15 p e r c e n t M i n i m u m L end ing R a t e ( M L R ) . T h e i n d u s t r i a l s t r a t e g y h a d no t b e e n g i v e n p r i o r i t y . Jh t h e c u t s of l a s t J u l y £114 m i l l i o n h a d b e e n t a k e n off t h e e x p e n d i t u r e of h i s D e p a r t m e n t , a n d £ 5 0 m i l l i o n off h i s n a t i o n a l i s e d i n d u s t r i e s ; and in M s v i e w t h i s r e p r e s e n t e d M s c o n t r i b u t i o n t o m a k i n g m o r e r e s o u r c e s a v a i l a b l e t o t h e N E B . E v e n s o , in v i e w of t h e d e t e r i o r a t i o n in t h e p o s i t i o n s i n c e t h e n , h e w a s p r e p a r e d t o find f u r t h e r s a v i n g s f r o m i n d u s t r i a l s u p p o r t . T h e R E P w a s r e g a r d e d a s t h e l e a s t I m p o r t a n t of a l l t h e r e g i o n a l incentives, being e q u a l t o on ly 2 p e r c e n t of l a b o u r c o s t s - f a r

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l e s s e f f ec t i ve t h a n T e m p o r a r y E m p l o y m e n t S u b s i d y wh ich w a s w o r t h 10 p e r c e n t . B y d r o p p i n g R E P i n t h e DA (but n o t i n t h e S p e c i a l D e v e l o p m e n t A r e a s ) £ 31 m i l l i o n cou ld b e s a v e d i n t h e n e x t y e a r , and £ 65 m i l l i o n i n a ful l y e a r . If c h a n g e s w e r e t o b e m a d e i n R D G , c a r e f u l s t u d y wou ld b e r e q u i r e d . T h e y had a l r e a d y b e e n r e d u c e d by m a k i n g t h e m i n i n g a n d c o n s t r u c t i o n i n d u s t r i e s n o l o n g e r e l i g ib l e f o r t h e m , a n d f u r t h e r e r o s i o n cou ld a f fec t confidence. T h e y w e r e r e g a r d e d a s p r o b a b l y t h e m o s t i m p o r t a n t of the f o r m s of r e g i o n a l a s s i s t a n c e , a l t h o u g h i t m i g h t w e l l b e t h a t t h e G o v e r n m e n t h a d b e e n m i s t a k e n t o a l l o w t h e m t o go t o l a r g e p r o j e c t s which cou ld n o t b e s i t e d o t h e r w i s e t h a n w h e r e t h e y w e r e . A c e i l i n g on i n d i v i d u a l p r o j e c t s shou ld b e looked a t , b u t i t would h i t t h e B r i t i s h S t e e l C o r p o r a t i o n , who would t h e n w a n t m o r e f inanc ing f r o m t h e G o v e r n m e n t i n o t h e r w a y s . T h e r e w a s m u c h t o b e s a i d f o r c e a s i n g t o pay RDG in t h e I A , b u t t h i s w a s p o l i t i c a l l y v e r y d i f f i cu l t . T h e b o u n d a r i e s of t h e AA n e e d e d r e v i s i o n wi th a v i e w t o r e d u c i n g t h e i r s t e e , s i n c e 65 p e r c e n t of t h e l and i n t h e c o u n t r y , and 45 p e r c e n t of t h e popu la t ion , w e r e in A A . He p o i n t e d ou t t h a t of t h e f i g u r e of £ 2 2 5 m i l l i o n for t h e NEB a t p r e s e n t e n t e r e d f o r e v e r y y e a r t h r o u g h t o 1980-81* B r i t i s h Ley l and and R o l l s R o y c e a l o n e would n e x t y e a r n e e d m o r e t h a n t h a t t o t a l , s o t h e NEB w a s le f t w i th no f l ex ib i l i t y t o c a r r y out the i n t e r v e n t i o n i s t r o l e which t h e G o v e r n m e n t h a d e n v i s a g e d f o r i t . I t w a s a t p r e s e n t noth ing m o r e t h a n a g l o r i f i e d s t a t e h o l d i n g c o m p a n y , u n a b l e t o fulfi l I t s r o l e i n t h e G o v e r n m e n t s i n d u s t r i a l s t r a t e g y . L o r d R y d e r , C h a i r m a n of t h e N E B , h a d i n d i c a t e d t h a t h e cou ld p r o b a b l y s p e n d a n o t h e r £ 7 0 - £ 9 0 m i l l i o n n e x t y e a r t o s t r e n g t h e n a n d a s s i s t i n d u s t r i e s . In h i s v i e w t h e Government m u s t find s o m e way of m a k i n g t h e s e r e s o u r c e s a v a i l a b l e .

In d i s c u s s i o n i t w a s a r g u e d t h a t if t h e p a c k a g e wh ich h a d b e e n p r o p o s e d i n E l b y t h e S e c r e t a r y of S t a t e f o r I n d u s t r y w e r e a d o p t e d , bo th W a l e s a n d Sco t l and would f a r e b a d l y , and s h o w a ne t r e d u c t i o n i n s u p p o r t f o r i n d u s t r y . R E P w a s t h e only l a b o u r - i n t e n s i v e s u b s i d y t h e r e w a s , a n d i t w a s i m p o r t a n t t o t h e G o v e r n m e n t s s u p p o r t e r s . T h e r e w e r e s i g n s t h a t t h e gap b e t w e e n t h e AA a n d t h e r e s t of t h e c o u n t r y , wh ich h a d n a r r o w e d f o r s o m e t i m e p a s t , w a s beg inn ing t o w i d e n a g a i n . T h i s m a d e i t a b a d t i m e t o r e d u c e r e g i o n a l s u p p o r t . I n d e e d , i t c o u l d b e s h o w n t h a t t h e S p e c i a l D e v e l o p m e n t A r e a s got l e s s t h a n t h e i r f a i r s h a r e of RDG a n d R E P w a s t h e on ly r e d r e s s f o r t h i s . T h e G o v e r n m e n t h a d a l r e a d y d e c i d e d t o r e d u c e t h e m a l e r a t e of R E P f r o m £ 3 t o £ 2 , in s p i t e of t h e M a n i f e s t o c o m m i t m e n t t o m a i n t a i n I t , and t h e r e shou ld b e n o f u r t h e r r e d u c t i o n in t h i s a s s i s t a n c e .

In f u r t h e r d i s c u s s i o n i t w a s a r g u e d t h a t i t would b e w r o n g t o r e d u c e r e g i o n a l s u p p o r t w h i c h w a s t h e G o v e r n m e n t s w a y of guid ing i n v e s t m e n t i n t o t h e i r e a e w h e r e it w a s n e e d e d . I n d e e d , t h e f ac t t h a t p r i v a t e i n v e s t m e n t g e n e r a l l y w a s n o t t a k i n g p l a c e i n s p i t e of t h e c u t ­b a c k in t h e d e m a n d on r e s o u r c e s m a d e b y t h e p u b l i c s e c t o r s u g g e s t e d t h a t m a r k e t e c o n o r r i c s w e r e no t w o r k i n g and t h a t t h e r e w a s t h e r e f o r e

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a l l t h e m o r e n e e d f o r s t e p p i n g u p t h e a c t i v i t y of t h e NEB and t h e A g e n c i e s . A g a i n s t t h i s I t w a s a r g u e d t h a t t h e G o v e r n m e n f s e x p e n d i t u r e on i n d u s t r i a l a s s i s t a n c e w a s of m u c h l e s s i m p o r t a n c e t h a n s u c h f a c t o r s a s 100 p e r c e n t f r e e d e p r e c i a t i o n , t h e i n t r o d u c t i o n of t h e f i s c a l s t o c k a p p r e c i a t i o n p r o v i s i o n s , and ge t t ing t h e M L R down t o a l o w e r l e v e l . It w a s e a s y t o o v e r e s t i m a t e the c a p a c i t y of G o v e r n m e n t t o m a k e s e l e c t i v e d e c i s i o n s In i n d u s t r y . Within e m p l o y m e n t - m a k i n g e x p e n d i t u r e , It would b e w r o n g t o c u t e x p e n d i t u r e on r e g i o n a l po l i cy s u c h a s RDG a n d R E P i n o r d e r t o i n c r e a s e s e l e c t i v e I n d u s t r i a l a s s i s ­t a n c e ,

T H E P R I M E M I N I S T E R , s u m m i n g u p t h e d i s c u s s i o n , s a i d t h a t t h e G o v e r n m e n t h a d c o m m i t t e d i t s e l f in J u l y t o m a k i n g m o r e r e s o u r c e s a v a i l a b l e t o t h e N E B a n d t h e S c o t t i s h a n d W e l s h D e v e l o p m e n t A g e n c i e s . T h e p r o b l e m w a s t o find t h e o f f se t t ing s a v i n g s which would m a k e t h e n e c e s s a r y r e s o u r c e s a v a i l a b l e . He w a s n o t p e r s o n a l l y wedded t o a l l t h e e x p e n d i t u r e in a i d of r e g i o n a l p o l i c y , and w a s p r e p a r e d t o b e l i e v e t h n t o v e r time i t s v a l u e r e d u c e d . N e v e r t h e l e s s I t would b e v e r y d i f f icu l t s i m p l y t o a b o l i s h i t ; t h e n e e d w a s t o w e a n t h e p u b l i c g r a d u a l l y a w a y f r o m i t , and t h e e q u a l i s a t i o n of t h e m a l e and f e m a l e r a t e s of R E P h a d b e e n a s t e p in t h i s d i r e c t i o n . Wha t w a s n e e d e d w a s t i m e t o l ook a t e x p e n d i t u r e on a s s i s t a n c e t o i n d u s t r y t o s e e wha t sh i f t s eou ld b e a g r e e d on w i t h i n i t . In p r e p a r i n g t h e Whi te P a p e r , t h e r e f o r e , t h e p r e s e n t f i g u r e s f o r f i nance f o r t h e N E B and t h e S c o t t i s h a n d W e l s h D e v e l o p m e n t A g e n c i e s should b e e n t e r e d b u t wi th a foo tno te t o t h e ef fec t t h a t t h e w h o l e f ie ld of pub l i c e x p e n d i t u r e on a id t o i n d u s t r y w a s b e i n g e x a m i n e d t o s e e wha t r e s o u r c e s cou ld b e sh i f t ed t o t h e NEB and t h e A g e n c i e s , In a c c e p t i n g t h i s l i n e , t h e C a b i n e t a l s o c l e a r l y a c c e p t e d t h a t , b y t h e time t h e Whi te P a p e r w a s p u b l i s h e d , t h e y m u s t h a v e p u t t h e m s e l v e s i n t o a p o s i t i o n t o announce t h e c h a n g e s which would b e m a d e . T h i s g a v e t h e m abou t t w o m o n t h s t o r e v i e w t h e p o s i t i o n , a l t h o u g h i t w a s r e c o g n i s e d t h a t t h e e x e r c i s e could c o n c e i v a b l y b e s u b s u m e d In a n y w i d e r e x p e n d i t u r e e x e r c i s e which m i g h t b e n e c e s s a r y fo l lowing t h e f o r t h c o m i n g n e g o t i a t i o n s wi th t h e I n t e r n a t i o n a l M o n e t a r y H ind . On t h e q u e s t i o n of a s u c c e s s o r t o t h e A c c e l e r a t e d P r o j e c t s S c h e m e , f o r wh ich t h e S e c r e t a r y of S t a t e for I n d u s t r y w a s a l s o b idd ing f o r a d d i t i o n a l m o n e y , and wh ich w a s g e n e r a l l y r e g a r d e d a s d e s i r a b l e , t h i s shou ld b e t r e a t e d a s a p o t e n t i a l c h a r g e on t h e C o n t i n g e n c y R e s e r v e on a b a s i s t o b e a g r e e d b e t w e e n t h e S e c r e t a r y of S t a t e for I n d u s t r y a n d t h e Chief S e c r e t a r y , T r e a s u r y .

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T o o k n o t e , wi th a p p r o v a l , of t h e P r i m e M i n i s t e r ^ s u m m i n g u p of t h e i r d i s c u s s i o n a n d i n v i t e d t h e M i n i s t e r s c o n c e r n e d t o b e gu ided a c c o r d i n g l y .

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^ ? P C 5 . T h e C a b i n e t had b e f o r e t h e m a no te b y t h e C h a n c e l l o r of t h e J ^ K D I T U R E E x c h e q u e r (CP(76) 96) c o v e r i n g a m e m o r a n d u m by t h e Chief

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0 1 1 8k a g r e e d t h a t t h e f i g u r e s in t h e nex t White P a p e r m u s t s h o w n o i n c r e a s e J ? l c e : 0 v e r4 j , ( t h o s e i n C m n d 6393 a s modi f i ed b y t h e s t a t e m e n t of 22 J u l y l a s t .

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2 i . M a j o r p r o g r a m m e s w h e r e t h e o u t t u r n w a s "Rela t ive ly u n c o n t r o l l a b l e " - v i z Soc i a l S e c u r i t y a n d E x p o r t C r e d i t R e f i n a n c e , on bo th of which t h e Chief S e c r e t a r y , T r e a s u r y , wou ld r e p o r t s e p a r a t e l y a t a l a t e r m e e t i n g .

11. H o u s i n g , on which t h e C a b i n e t had a g r e e d an I n c r e a s e in r e n t s s a v i n g £ 30 m i l l i o n a y e a r , b u t on which a l l f u r t h e r i s s u e s r e m a i n e d to b e s e t t l e d .

U i . E x p e n d i t u r e b y t h e M i n i s t r y of A g r i c u l t u r e , F i s h e r i e s a n d F o o d , wh ich h a d no t b e e n d e a l t w i th a t t h e i r l a s t m e e t i n g .

£ * * u i u r e T H E P R I M E MINISTER, s u m m i n g u p a b r i e f d i s c u s s i o n , s a id m a t i t lfl?* w x s a g r e e d t h a t t h e a d d i t i o n a l b i d s in r e s p e c t of t h e T h a m e s B a r r i e r

t r y' W * of a n d I n v e s t m e n t i n pig e n t e r p r i s e s l i s t e d In t h e l a s t p a r t of T a b l e 6 of ? l o j J C u l t u r e * t h e T r e a s u r y r e p o r t a n n e x e d t o CP (76 )91 w e r e a c c e p t e d , wh i l e t h e b id

8 f o*M j ^ * * e * s t r a t e g i c a n d e m e r g e n c y food s t o c k p i l e s w a s , a t a n y r a t e f o r t h e 0 0 ^ p r e s e n t , w i t h d r a w n .

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1. T o o k n o t e , wi th a p p r o v a l , of t h e P r i m e M i n i s t e r ' s s u m m i n g u p of t h i s p a r t of t h e i r d i s c u s s i o n .

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^ a y e a r g r o s s i n 1978-79 a n d l a t e r y e a r s if i t cou ld b e a g r e e d t h a t t h e J^lett^ p r e s e n t a t i o n of p u b l i c e x p e n d i t u r e f i g u r e s cou ld b e a m e n d e d BO a s t o

Wca i e x c l u d e l e n d i n g by t h e b u i l d i n g s o c i e t i e s t o l o c a l a u t h o r i t i e s . He w a s c o n c e r n e d t h a t t h e funds which t h e bu i ld ing s o c i e t i e s w e r e n o w m a k i n g a v a i l a b l e , w i th l o c a l a u t h o r i t y a s s i s t a n c e , t o d o w n - m a r k e t b o r r o w e r s o n a c a s e - b y - c a s e b a s i s should b e e x p a n d e d t h r o a g h a n a r r a n g e m e n t

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with t h e bu i ld ing s o c i e t i e s w h e r e b y h i s D e p a r t m e n t would m a k e b l o c k a l l o c a t i o n s t o i n d i v i d u a l l o c a l a u t h o r i t i e s ; b u t t o d o t h i s i t w a s e s s e n t i a l t o ge t r o u n d t h e p r e s e n t c o n v e n t i o n w h e r e b y t h i s would t h e n count a s p u b l i c e x p e n d i t u r e ( w h e r e a s t h e c a s e - b y - c a s e a r r a n g e m e n t s , in w h i c h t h e m o n e y w e n t d i r e c t f r o m t h e bu i ld ing s o c i e t i e s t o t h e i n d i v i d u a l b o r r o w e r s , d id n o t ) . He now had r e a s o n t o b e l i e v e t h a t t h e m o n e y would b e f o r t h c o m i n g f r o m t h e bu i ld ing s o c i e t i e s f o r s u c h a s c h e m e t o f i l l t h e g a p wh ich would b e m a d e by t h e r e d u c t i o n i n l o c a l a u t h o r i t y l e n d i n g h e w a s now o f fe r ing . H o w e v e r , h e a c c e p t e d t h a t t h e p r e s e n t y e a r w a s no t a good one f o r m a k i n g a f u r t h e r c h a n g e i n t h e p u b l i c e x p e n d i t u r e c o n v e n t i o n s i n t h e f o r t h c o m i n g Whi te P a p e r , a n d h e w a s t h e r e f o r e c o n t e n t t o s e e t h e c h a n g e m a d e i n t h e fo l lowing Whi te P a p e r . H e n e e d e d t o d i s c u s s u r g e n t l y wi th t h e Chief S e c r e t a r y , T r e a s u r y , h o w t h i s shou ld b e h a n d l e d so t h a t he could c l i nch t h e a r r a n g e m e n t s wi th t h e b u i l d i n g s o c i e t i e s .

T H E P R I M E MINISTER, s u m m i n g u p a b r i e f d i s c u s s i o n , s a i d t h a t i t w a s a g r e e d t h a t t h e f i g u r e s f o r l o c a l a u t h o r i t y m o r t g a g e l end ing shou ld b e r e d u c e d by £150 m i l l i o n a y e a r g r o s s , on t h e u n d e r s t a n d i n g t h a t b e f o r e t h e n e x t Whi t e P a p e r b u t one c a m e t o b e p u b l i s h e d c o n s i d e r a t i o n would be g iven t o a c h a n g e i n t h e a c c o u n t i n g conven t ions w h e r e b y l e n d i n g b y t h e bu i ld ing s o c i e t i e s t o l o c a l a u t h o r i t i e s t o e n a b l e t h e a u t h o r i t i e s t o o n - l e n d t o i n d t v i d u a l m o r t g a g o r s wonld no t s c o r e a s p u b l i c e x p e n d i t u r e .

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2. T o o k n o t e , wi th a p p r o v a l , of t h e P r i m e M i n i s t e r ' s s u m m i n g u p of t h i s p a r t of t h e i r d i s c u s s i o n .

3 . I nv i t ed t h e Chief S e c r e t a r y , T r e a s u r y , in c o n s u l t a t i o n wi th t h e S e c r e t a r y of S t a t e f o r t h e E n v i r o n m e n t , t h e S e c r e t a r y of S t a t e f o r Sco t l and a n d t h e S e c r e t a r y of S ta te for W a l e s , t o c o n s i d e r f u r t h e r t h e p o s s i b i l i t y of a m e n d i n g t h e p u b l i c e x p e n d i t u r e c o n v e n t i o n s i n t h e m a n n e r e n v i s a g e d .

T H E C H I E F S E C R E T A R Y , T R E A S U R Y , s a i d t h a t h e h a d b e e n a s k e d a t t h e p r e v i o u s d i s c u s s i o n t o c o n s i d e r wha t p r o p o s a l s m i g h t b e m a d e f o r o f f se t t ing t h e e x c e s s h o u s i n g e x p e n d i t u r e , a n d h e h a d s e t o u t t h e p o s s i b i l i t i e s In C P ( 7 6 ) 9 6 . A n n e x A t o t h a t p a p e r s h o w e d h o w t h e a d d i t i o n a l e x p e n d i t u r e m i g h t b e of fse t w i t h i n t h e h o u s i n g p r o g r a m m e , a n d A n n e x C s e t ou t p o s s i b l e o p t i o n s on o t h e r p r o g r a m m e s . In h i s v i e w , g i v e n t h a t a f u r t h e r p u b l i c e x p e n d i t u r e e x e r c i s e w a s p o s s i b l e fo l lowing t h e n e g o t i a t i o n s wi th t h e I n t e r n a t i o n a l M o n e t a r y F u n d ( I M F ) ,

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i t would b e b e t t e r not to t ouch t h e i t e m s in A n n e x C b u t t o find t h e s a v i n g s w i t h i n t h e h o u s i n g b lock . T h e C a b i n e t h a d a l r e a d y a g r e e d t o a n i n c r e a s e i n r e n t s of 8Op f r o m A p r i l 1978, a n d he would n o w p r o p o s e s o m e f u r t h e r i n c r e a s e above t h a t , t o g e t h e r wi th r e d u c t i o n s i n e x p e n d i t u r e on m u n i c i p a l i s a t i o n a n d on i m p r o v e m e n t s t o b r o a d l y t h e l e v e l of 1 9 7 7 - 7 8 , wh i l e h o l d i n g n e w h o u s e bu i ld ing a l s o t o t h e l e v e l of t h a t y e a r ,

T H E S E C R E T A R Y O F S T A T E F O R T H E E N V I R O N M E N T r e m i n d e d the C a b i n e t t h a t t h e a d d i t i o n a l e x p e n d i t u r e on h o u s i n g w a s t h e c o n s e q u e n c e of t h e i n c r e a s e in i n t e r e s t r a t e s , and t h a t t h e y h a d not yet h e a r d h o w t h e T r e a s u r y p r o p o s e d t o d e a l wi th t h e a d d i t i o n a l b u r d e n t h i s i m p o s e d o u t s i d e t h e h o u s i n g p r o g r a m m e . In h i s v i e w it would b e q u i t e u n r e a l i s t i c t o t a k e a h u r r i e d d e c i s i o n a b o u t t h e h o u s i n g p r o g r a m m e a t a t i m e w h e n t h e b r o a d e r e x e r c i s e m i g h t w e l l h a v e t o be s t a r t e d i n t h e n e x t t w o o r t h r e e w e e k s . Annex A t o t h e Chief S e c r e t a r y , T r e a s u r y ' s p a p e r would m e a n a c o l l a p s e of t h e hous ing p r o g r a m m e , a n d would cu t n e w h o u s e bu i ld ing o u t s i d e t h e s t r e s s a r e a s (which r e p r e s e n t e d ha l f of the h o u s i n g p r o g r a m m e ) t o o n e - t h i r d of I t s p r e s e n t l e v e l . He did not r e g a r d t h i s a s a s e n s i b l e way of p r o c e e d i n g . It w a s t r u e t h a t s o m e C o n s e r v a t i v e - c o n t r o l l e d c o u n c i l s would not u n d e r t a k e h o u s e b u i l d i n g on t h e s c a l e t h e p r e s e n t f i g u r e s a l l o w e d ; b u t it would b e w r o n g t o p r o v i d e t h e m wi th t h e e x c u s e by c u t t i n g f i g u r e s b a c k . T h e c o n s t r u c t i o n i n d u s t r y h a d l o s t 2 5 0 , 000 jobB s i n c e the G o v e r n m e n t took off ice , a n d m o r e l o s s e s w e r e in t h e p i p e l i n e .

In the c o u r s e of d i s c u s s i o n the fo l lowing p o i n t s were m a d e ­

a . Xf a m a j o r cu t in p u b l i c e x p e n d i t u r e had t o b e m a d e , it would b e p r e f e r a b l e t o m a k e a few m a j o r p o l i c y e x c i s i o n s r a t h e r t h a n to e r o d e p r o g r a m m e s a l l r o u n d . I t would t h e r e ­f o r e b e b e s t t o w a i t un t i l it b e c a m e c l e a r wha t would b e the u p s h o t of t h e I M F n e g o t i a t i o n s ,

b . ' E v e n if l a r g e c u t s b e c a m e n e c e s s a r y fo l lowing t h e IMF t a l k s , i t w a s v i r t u a l l y i n c o n c e i v a b l e t h a t m o r e shou ld b e t a k e n ou t of h o u s i n g t h a n was n o w p r o p o s e d . G i v e n t h a t t h e p o s s i b l e o u t s h i A n n e x C -were p o l i t i c a l l y no e a s i e r t o a c c e p t t h a n t h o s e In A n n e x A , t h e r e ws-a m u c h to h e s a i d f o r - a c c e p t i n g t h o s e In Annex A .

c . It w a s of v e r y g r e a t i m p o r t a n c e that t h e T r e a s u r y , in t a l k i n g t o t h e I M F m i s s i o n , shou ld b e able t o d e m o n s t r a t e t h a t p u b l i c e x p e n d i t u r e w a s f i r m l y u n d e r c o n t r o l , and that t h e G o v e r n m e n t were s t i c k i n g t o t h e i r d e c l a r e d l i m i t s . F o r t h i s r e a s o n i t w a s e s s e n t i a l t o a g r e e on w a y s of of fse t t ing the i n c r e a s e £a. h o u s i n g e x p e n d i t u r e .

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d . T h e r e q u i r e m e n t t o p u b l i s h a Whi te P a p e r l ook ing f o u r t o f ive y e a r s a h e a d w a s irkBome i n a s i t u a t i o n in wh ich t h e i m m e d i a t e f u t u r e w a s by no m e a n s c l e a r . N e v e r t h e l e s s , w h i l e i t m i g h t , in c f . l m e r t i m e s , b e p o s s i b l e t o a b a n d o n the a n n u a l p u b l i c a t i o n , t o d o s o in t h e p r e s e n t s i t u a t i o n would h a v e a s e r i o u s l y a d v e r s e effect on c o n f i d e n c e . A g a i n s t t h i s i t w a s a r g u e d t h a t , a t a t i m e w h e n t h e e c o n o m i c p r o s p e c t s w e r e c h a n g i n g r a p i d l y , t h e G o v e r n m e n t would b e w r o n g t o c o m m i t t h e m s e l v e s t o p a r t i c u l a r f i g u r e s f o r a p e r i o d of y e a r s a h e a d . It w a s p a r t i c u l a r l y i m p o r t a n t t o avoid a s i t u a t i o n In which t h e W h i t e P a p e r w a s p u b l i s h e d a f t e r i t h a d b e e n o v e r t a k e n b y e v e n t s .

T H E P R I M E M I N I S T E R , s u m m i n g u p t h e d i s c u s s i o n , s a i d t h a t the C a b i n e t h a d n o t y e t r e a c h e d f ina l a g r e e m e n t on h o w t o offset t h e a d d i t i o n a l e x p e n d i t u r e on t h e hous ing p r o g r a m m e . E x p r e s s e d In t e r m s of f i g u r e s f o r E n g l a n d on ly , t h e a d d i t i o n a l b i d s t o t a l l e d a b o u t £ 4 5 0 m i l l i o n . T h e C a b i n e t h a d a g r e e d a l r e a d y on a r e n t I n c r e a s e f r o m A p r i l 1978 wh ich would s a v e £ 3 0 m i l l i o n a y e a r ; a n d t h e y h a d a c c e p t e d t h e of fer of t h e S e c r e t a r y of S t a t e f o r t h e E n v i r o n m e n t t o s a v e a f u r t h e r £150 m i l l i o n a y e a r g r o s s on m o r t g a g e lending b y l o c a l a u t h o r i t i e s . T h i s lef t a f u r t h e r £ 2 7 0 m i l l i o n t o f ind . T h e S e c r e t a r y of S t a t e f o r t h e E n v i r o n m e n t h a d i n d i c a t e d h i s w i l l i n g n e s s t o f ind a f u r t h e r £ 100 m i l l i o n f r o m t h e h o u s i n g p r o g r a m m e , wh ich m e a n t t h a t £170 m i l l i o n h a d t o b e found f r o m o t h e r p r o g r a m m e s , s i n c e the g e n e r a l v i e w w a s t h a t It w a s e s s e n t i a l t o b e a b l e t o d e m o n s t r a t e t o t h e I M F i n wha t w a y t h e a n n o u n c e d l i m i t s w e r e b e i n g k e p t . A n u m b e r of M i n i s t e r s h a d i n d i c a t e d a w i l l i n g n e s s t o m a k e a c o n t r i b u t i o n . The t i m e t a b l e would j u s t a l l o w t h e C a b i n e t t o h a v e one f u r t h e r d i s c u s s i o n of t h i s s u b j e c t . In t h e e n s u i n g w e e k , t h e r e f o r e , a l l spend ing M i n i s t e r s would c o n s i d e r t o w h a t e x t e n t t h e y w e r e a b l e t o c o n t r i b u t e t o w a r d s t h e r e q u i r e d o u t s t a n d i n g s a v i n g s of £170 m i l l i o n . T h e r e w a s n o r e a s o n w h y s u c h c o n t r i b u t i o n s shou ld b e conf ined t o t h e s u g g e s t i o n s l i s t e d i n A n n e x C t o C p ( 7 6 ) 9 6 . It would f a c i l i t a t e t h e C a b i n e f s n e x t d i s c u s s i o n if T r e a s u r y o f f i c ia l s w e r e t o d i s c u s s p o s s i b i l i t i e s b i l a t e r a l l y w i th t h e o f f i c ia l s i n t h e s p e n d i n g D e p a r t m e n t s . P r o p o r t i o n a t e r e d u c t i o n s would a l s o be n e e d e d e i t h e r In t h e Sco t t i sh a n d W e l s h h o u s i n g p r o g r a m m e s o r In o t h e r e x p e n d i t u r e .

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4 , T o o k n o t e , wi th a p p r o v a l , of t h e P r i m e M i n i s t e r *s s u m m i n g u p of t h e i r d i s c u s s i o n .

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5 , A g r e e d t h a t , t h r o u g h i n c r e a s e s in r e n t s a n d c u t s in h o u s i n g e x p e n d i t u r e , a t o t a l of £ 2 8 0 m i l l i o n a y e a r shou ld b e s a v e d in 1978-79 and l a t e r y e a r s , a n d t h a t p r o p o r t i o n a t e c u t s would n e e d t o b e m a d e i n S c o t t i s h a n d W e l s h e x p e n d i t u r e .

6 . A g r e e d t h a t a t t h e i r nex t m e e t i n g t h e y s h o u l d c o n s i d e r in wha t way a f u r t h e r £170 m i l l i o n (p lus pxopor t lou i i t e s u m s i n r e s p e c t of Sco t l and a n d W a l e s ) m i g h t b e s a v e d on o t h e r p r o g r a m m e s ; a n d i n v i t e d t h e Chief S e c r e t a r y , T r e a s u r y , t o a r r a n g e f o r o f f i c ia l s t o d i s c u s s t h e p o s s i b i l i t i e s i n t h e m e a n t i m e .

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