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DaveAspey: AlotofpeopleontheBulletproofdietorpeoplewhoarecontrollingtheirownbiologybydoingthingstotakecontroloftheirhealtharehavingtroublebecausetheyoverpayforlifeinsurance.Lifeinsurancecompanieshaven'tcaughtupwithnewsciencestudiesthatlookathowdifferentdietsaffecthowlongyou'regoingtolive.Forexample,you'reontheBulletproofdiet,youhaveyourBulletproofcoffee,andbydesign,yourHDLcholesterolmaygoup.HDLiscalledgoodcholesterolisprotective,butlifeinsurancecompaniesbelieveallcholesterolisbad,eventhoughinflammationistheproblem,notthecholesterol.Thatmeanstheymaychargeyoumoreortheymaynotgiveyoudiscountonyourlifeinsurance,eventhoughwhatyou'redoingisgoingtomakeyoulivelongersotheircostwillgodown.

There'sacompanycalledHealthIQthatadvocatesforhealthconsciouslifestyles.Theyusethingslikescienceandbigdatatogetlowerratesforpeoplewhoarepayingattentiontotheirhealth.Thingslikecyclists,runners,peoplewhoexercise,vegans,vegetarians,Bulletproofdiet.Doesn'treallymatter,peoplewhoarepayingattention.TheyhaveaproprietarymetriccalledahighhealthIQ.PeoplewithahighhealthIQare42%lesslikelytobefatandata57%lowerriskofdyingearly.Mostofthetimeyoudon'tknowyourhealthIQandyouprobablydon'tknowyoucansavesomemoneyonlifeinsurancebygettingyourhealthIQ.Rightnow,peoplewholistentoBulletproofRadiocangetafreelifeinsurancequoteandlearntheirhealthIQbygoingtoHealthIQ.com/bulletproof.JustgotoHealthIQ.com/bulletprooftolearnmoreabouthowyoucangetlifeinsuranceforpeoplewhotakecareoftheirownbiology.

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DaveAspey: You'relisteningtoBulletproofRadiowithDaveAsprey.Today'scoolfactofthedayisthatthemostpredictablecauseofmitochondrialfunctiondeclineisactuallygettingold.That'sbecausebetweenageabout30andage70,yourmitochondrialefficiencydecreasesbyabout50%.Yourmitochondriaarelikethebatteriesinyourcellsorthepowerplants.Iftheyonlymakehalfasmuchenergyastheyusedto,you'reprobablygoingtofeelold.It'skindofagoodthing,ifthat's[inaudible00:02:17]theaverage70-year-oldthatIhavenointerestinbeingaverage.Ifyou'relisteningtoBulletproofRadio,youprobablyhavenointerestinbeingaverageeither.Justbecauseithappenstomostpeopledoesn'tmeanithastohappentoyou.Youcantakecontrolofthatstuff.

Infact,ifyouweretohavethemitochondrialfunctionofa25-year-oldwhenyouwere70,you'dprobablybethemostass-kicking70-year-oldontheplanet.Thatsortofthingistotallypossible.Thatfact,andabunchofothercoolfactslikethat,arethingsyou'llfindinmynewbook,Headstrong,whichiscomingoutonApril4th.IfyougotoOrderHeadstrong.com,youcanactuallygetthefirstchaptersenttoyourightaway.Itistotallyworthitandifyoupre-orderit,I'll

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sendyouabunchofotherfreestuffaswelljusttosaythanks.Whenyoutakethetimetopre-orderHeadstrong,ithelpsmypublishersknowhowmanycopiestoprintfortheactualrun.It'sahugegifttomeasawriter,sothousandsofhoursofworkwentintothisbookandIwouldlovetoshareitwithyou.Ifyou'regoingtoorderit,pleaseorderitnow.You'lllearnmoreaboutmitochondriajustlikewetalkedaboutthere.

Aswegetintotoday'sshow,aboutaquarterofAmericansdon'tgetenoughvitaminAintheirdiet.VitaminAisessentialforthehumanbodyandit'sbeenshowntohelpwithinflammation,immunesystem,maintainingstrengthandintegrityofyourbones,andit'spartofhavingahealthysexlife.OneofthebestsourcesofvitaminAisatypeofcodliveroilthatDariaImportscalleddroppy.Droppyisoneofthepurestcodliveroilsonthemarkettoday.It'smadeexclusivelyfromwildcodthat'scaughtandprocessedintheoldestfishingvillageinIceland.It'scoldprocessed,whichpreservesitsnaturalfattyacids,includingOmega-3andvitaminAandvitaminD.Italso,becauseofthewayit'sprocessed,qualifiesasarawfoodinsteadofaprocessedfood.ThepeopleoveratDariaarereallypassionateaboutwellnessandpeakperformance.Oneoftheirguys,Ash,isnowworkingonbecomingaBulletproofcoachthey'resopassionateaboutbeingBulletproof.Youmightwanttocheckoutthenewcodliveroilcalleddroppy.

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Unlikeaconventionalairpurifier,AirOasissanitizestheairandsurfaceslikedoorhandles,countertops,andevenyouriPadscreen.Itneutralizesmicro-toxinsandmoldsporesinairandpreventsmoldfromreplicatingonyourwallsandsurfaces,anditremovesabout99%ofairallergens,odors,bacteria,andviruses.Thewayitdoesthisisprettycool.It'sbasedonaNASAtechnologythatwasdesignedfordeepspacemissions.It'scompact.It'sreallylowmaintenance,andit'senergyefficient.There'sabout10yearsofuniversitylabandfieldstudiesbackingitup,andtheycurrentlysanitize100millionsquarefeetofoccupiedspace,includingthetallestbuildingintheworld,hospitals,andprofessionalsportsteams.It'snotanozonegenerator,soyou'renotbreathingozonewhichisn'tgoodforyou,althoughinjectingozonemightbe.It'smaderighthereinAmerica,soyouknowit'sthehighestquality.Headonoverto


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YouknowBulletproofcoffee.You'vegotthelab-testcoffeebeans,you'vegotthebrainoctaveoil,butyoucanmakeiticed.Whenyoumakeiticed,youcanaddtheupgradedwheyproteintoit.Grass-fedwheyisreally,reallyimportant.Whenyougetwheyproteininhotcoffee,itdamagesthewhey,butifyouputitincoldcoffee,youcangetthisicecream-likeconsistency.IfyougototheBulletproofblog,you'llfindbrainoctanewheyproteinintheonlinestore,sojustheadonoverthere.There'ssomereallycoolstuff.Thatcombinationisamazing.Here'sahint.Ifyoujustusebutterincoffee,itwon'twork.You'vegottohavebrainoctanebecauseofitsthermalpropertiesatlowtemperature.Itcompletelychangeswhatitdoes.Youcangetaperfecticecreamflavor.I'vegiventhistomykidsforbreakfastandtheyfeelgreat.Today'sguestisafriend,aguyI'vecometoadmireandknowovertimeandaguywho'llbespeakingattheBulletproofconferencethisyear.Itisnoneotherthanthenumberonemostinfluentialguyonlineinhealth,Dr.JosephMercola.Dr.Mercola,welcome.

Dr.JosephM.: Well,thankyouforhavingme,David.It'sagreatprivilegetobehere,connectwithyou.

DaveAspey: Thatwasashortintroductionbecause,inadditiontobeingthenumberoneguyonline,you'reafamilyphysician,anactualdoctorfor25yearswithtensofthousandsofpatients.Youwentonlineearlyandyou'verelentlesslysharedinformationthatI'vebeenabletouse,informationthathelpedinfluenceTheBetterBabyBook,myfirstbook.JustinformationthatIthinkhashelpedthelivesoftens,ifnothundredsofmillionsofpeople.You'vebeenincrediblyhighintegrityaboutsomeofthethingsyou'vedone,particularlyaroundtalkingabouthowimportantlightisforthehealthofhumans.IhavegreatrespectforyouandI'mhappytohaveyouontheshowtoday,sojustthankyou.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah.Well,it'sgreattobeherebecauseit'sunusualtodialoguewithsomeonewhounderstandshealthasmuchasyoudo,andIspeakallaroundthecountryatavarietyofdifferenceconferencesandit'sneveraproblemtoputthePowerPointtogether.WhenI'mgoingtospeakinOctoberatyourBulletproofconference,I'vegottodialoguewithyoubecausesomuchofwhatweteachisthesame.

DaveAspey: Yeah,I'mcountingonyoutobringsomethingnew.I'moutofnewideasmyself.

Dr.JosephM.: Youwerekindenoughtosendmeacopybeforethepublication.Ireaditwordforword.Infact,Igaveyouonecorrection.Therewasamistakeinthere,butitwasgreat.IreallyenjoyeditandIthinkanyonewhodecidestopurchaseitwillbereallyrewarded.Tome,oneofthebestinvestmentsyoucanmakearebooks.Youjustmentionedtherewerethousandsofhoursintothis,andforthousandsofhoursfor15,$16isjustcrazy.Ireadabout150,200booksayear.I


getthatonsteroids.Ilovetogatherinformationthatway.It'ssomuchmoreefficient.

DaveAspey: It'soneofthosewhere,ifyou'relisteningtothisrightnow,you'respendinganhourofyourtime.That's25%ofwhatittakestoreadabookthathasthousandsofhoursinit.BetweenDr.Mercola'sgazillionhoursofexperienceandmysubstantial,butnotthatbig,amountofexperience,you'regettingaprettygoodconcentrateddriphere.It'snowherenearasconcentratedasyoucangetinabook.

Dr.JosephM.: Iwouldjustcautionyounottosellyourselfshortbecause,believeme,you'veachievedaremarkablestatusof,notstatus,butacollectionofknowledgethatcanreallyandradicallyrevolutionizeaperson'shealth.There'snoquestionaboutit.

DaveAspey: Thankyou.

Dr.JosephM.: You'vedoneagreatjobandIappreciatewhatyou'redoingforthehealthcommunity.

DaveAspey: That'sahugecompliment,Dr.Mercola.Truly,becauseIthink...

Dr.JosephM.: Iwouldn'tsayitifitwasn'ttrue.

DaveAspey: Ibelievethat,andthat'swhyit'sahugecompliment.IalsoknowthatsomeoftheideasItalkabout,you'rethefirstpersonI'veseentotalkaboutthem.You'vealsoreallymovedtheneedle.YouandTSWiley,thewomanwhowroteLightsOut:Sugar,SurvivalandLight.

Dr.JosephM.: Shepassedaway,youknow.Shepassedawayafewyearsago.

DaveAspey: It'stoobad.Shegavememycopyofherbookshehandedtomeinpersonatan[A4M00:10:19]meeting.Itwasthetwoofyouwhoreallygotmethinkingaboutlightevenbackinthelate90s.

Dr.JosephM.: Thenyoutookitthenextstep.Iunderstoodit,butIneverreallydugdeep.ThenIstartedtogetitjustwithinthelastyearatafarmoreprofoundlevel.It'srightuptherewithdietandfood.I'mnotsurewhichone'smoreimportant,butthey'rebothwayupthere.

DaveAspey: I'mgoingtosendyougiftverysoon,infact,I'llshowyouwhattheylooklike.

Dr.JosephM.: Oh,Ireadabout...Yes.Thetruedarkglasses?

DaveAspey: Truedarkglassesfromthebook.Thesearethepatented...

Dr.JosephM.: Youcan'tbutthemyet.Youcan'tfindthemanywhere.


DaveAspey: They'reonepre-orderrightnowonBiohacks.comandtheyshouldbeshippinginacoupleweeks.They'llbeupforsaleinotherplaces.

Dr.JosephM.: Doesitblockeveryonefrom550below?

DaveAspey: There'sactuallyasetofdifferentfilterswhereit'snotevery.Whatiseverysinglefrequencythataffectsyourcircadianrhythm,thethingsthataffectsleep,areallblockedout.Literally,themitochondriainyoureyesbelieveit'spitchblackeventhoughyoucanstillsee.Thesleepimpact,it'sreallyhuge.Whatitcamefromisthatlightsthatgothroughblueblockers,theygothroughthenon-opticalsensors.Theyreceivelight,buttheygointoyournon-visualsensors.They'reopticalsensorsthatjustgostraighttotheSCNinthebrainandtellyourbodytowakeupandtoturnoffmelatonin.They'redifferentthanthevisibleblue.

Dr.JosephM.: You'reaninnovator.That'swhatIrespectaboutyou.Youtakeittothenextlevel.That'sfantastic.Lookforwardtogettingthat,butthequestionofthedayiscanyouseeyourPowerPointswhenyou'relecturinginadarklecturehall?WhichisilluminatedbyfluorescentorLEDlights.

DaveAspey: Ifyou'rewearingtheseglassesduringalecture,youcanseeallbuttheredfont.Don'tuseredfonts,you'llbeokay.Ifyou'redoingcolorcorrectwork,theydon'twork,butforreadingatnight,IwearthoseifI'mgoingtoreadonanyelectronicdevice.Duringtheday,ifI'msittinginacrappylighting,fluorescent,LEDlight,Imightwearthemforafewminutes.TheyallowrelaxationofthebrainandtheeyesinawaythatI'veneverbeenableachieve.

Dr.JosephM.: Iverymuchlookforwardtotestingthemout.I'vegot,actually,aspectrophotometer,soIcanmeasurethewavelengthscomingthrough,whichisprettycool.

DaveAspey: Oh,verycool.

Dr.JosephM.: OneofthereasonswhyIwantedtobeonyourshowistotalkaboutmynewbook,whichechosyourbook.Imean,theyreallyareaphenomenalcomplement.Wehadsomechallengestoconnectwithyourstaff,soI'mgoingtobeinterviewingyouonmysitetoo,sowecanco-promoteourbooks,buttheyreallydocomplementeachotherreallywell.MybookisFatforFuel.

DaveAspey: Itis.Infact,this'llprobablybeyourfourthNewYorkTimesBestSellerbecausewe'vetalkedaboutEffortlessHealingbeforeandFatforFuelisagreatnameforabook.You'retalkingaboutreallybigstuff.

Dr.JosephM.: NotasgoodasBulletproof.It'sprettygood.Yougotanothergoldstarforthatone.It'soneofthetwobesthealthnamesIcanthinkof.TheotheroneisEatRightforYourTypebyD'Adamo.


DaveAspey: Thewritingonthatisgood.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah.

DaveAspey: Yeah,theBulletproofroof,Icouldn'tpullthatoneoff.

Dr.JosephM.: Itwasgood.

DaveAspey: FatforFuelisareallypowerfulbookbecauseonethingyoudoandyou'vealwaysdoneisyoureferencethescience.Evenwhenpeoplesay,"Thatdidn'thappenbecauseitcan't."You'relike,"Here'sthefivestudiesthatshowitcan,"andyou'vealwaysbeenlikethat.Here,you'retalkingaboutcombatingcancer,makingyourbrainworkbetter,andgivingitmoreenergybyusingfat.PeoplelistentoBulletproofRadio,theyall...Okay,geez.Shouldyouguysreadthisbook?Ofcourseyoushouldreadthisbookbecauseit'sgoingtohaveinformation.We'reinalignment,butthere'sdifferenttakes,there'sdifferentinformationonthesethings.Thisishowyoulearn,bylearningfromdifferentexperts.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah,theysaidtheycomplimenteachotherreallywell.ThemotivationformetowritethisbookwasIwasincrediblyemotionallyinspiredafterreadingTrippingOvertheTruthbyTravisChristofferson,themetabolictheoryofcancer.Idon'tknowifyou'vereadthat,butit'sjustanunbelievablemagnificentbookthatreallyexposesthetruthofthefallacyofthegenetictheoryofcancerisjustfatallyflawed.Itreallyisamitochondrialdisease.Mitochondrialfunctionisthecoreofit,whichiswhyIsofondlyembracewhatyou'reteachingbecauseitaddressesthecancer.Literally,Dave,wehaveoneintwomalesinthiscountrythataregoingtohavecancerintheirlifetime.Thisdoesnotcountskincancer.Thewomenarenotfarbehind,areoneinthree.That'sjustcrazy.It'salmostalwaysrelatedtomitochondrialdysfunction,whichissoeasilyreversedifyouunderstandwhattodo.

DaveAspey: I'mseeingparentsofkids,peoplemyagewithcancer.It'saregularoccurrencenow.

Dr.JosephM.: Eventheirkids.

DaveAspey: Yeah.It'sscaryanditshouldn'tbehappening.Likeyousaid,it'smitochondrialandit'sasystemofthingsthataffectit.Inyourbook,you'refocusingonfat.Whatmakesyouthinkorbelieve,orsay,whatevidencedowehavethatcancerisindeedamitochondrialdisease?What'syourtakeonthat?

Dr.JosephM.: Well,wecouldspendtwotothreehoursonthat,butIthinkifyoulikethebriefsynopsis,IwouldreadTravis'book.Ifyou'reabiochemicalhacker,asmanyofyourviewersandlistenersare,thenIwoulddefinitelygogetthedefinitivebookonthat,whichisThomasSeyfried'sbookCancerisaMetabolicDisease:theMetabolicTheoryofCancer.Unbelievableman.Infact,agoodportionofthe


revenuesandtheprofitsfromthisbookarebeingdirectedtocontinuethefundingforDr.Seyfriedbecauseheisrevisingtheprotocolonhowtotreatcancer.Infact,IjustinterviewedabouttwoweeksagoagroupofoncologistsfromTurkeywhoaretreatingstagefourcancerswithhisprotocolsandweregetting50%improvementinpeoplewhoaregivenafewweekstolive.That'sjustincredible.Theydon'tevenhavehislatestrevision,sowe'refundingsomeoftheresearchhe'sgoingtobedoingonrats.He'sgotthebestratcancermodelintheworld.Noonewoulddisputethat.

Ittakessometimetodoit,butwe'regoingtorevisethetherapybecauseit'snotjustloweringthecarbs.It'salsomakingsurethatyouunderstandtheproteinpoint,andyoudo.You'reoneoftheonlypeople.Virtuallynooneinhealth,Imean,allthesepaleopeopletalkaboutthelowcarbandit'sgreat,butthey'renottalkingaboutcontrollingtheprotein.Thenthey'renottalkingaboutcycling,whichyouget.Thatisjustaprofoundinnovationisthatyouhavetounderstandcyclingbecauseifyoudon't,you'regoingtoruinitup.That'swhatthisgroupinTurkeydid.Theyunderstoodthecycling,sotheywouldgivethesepeoplebursts.Eventhoughtheyhadstagefourcancer,theywouldstillburstthemup.That'swhereyougetthemagic,themetabolicmagicoccursinthatrecedingphase.

DaveAspey: It'sshockingwhathappensifyoudothesamethingallthetime,anditdoesn'tmatterwhatthesamethingis.Ketosis?Highsugar?Itdoesn'tmatter.Ifyoudothesamethingallthetime,thebodywillloseitsflexibility.It'smeanttobestressedmetabolicallybytemperature,bylight,byvibration,bysound.Allofthesethingsaresupposedtofluctuate.Ifyouputthemconstant,what'sgoingtohappen?Nothinggood.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah.There'snoquestion.Oneoftheinterestingfeaturesofthisbook,youknowverywellfromreadingscientificpapersthatmostsciencejournalsrequireapeerreviewprocesseswheretheysenditouttosomeindependent,objectivethirdparties,preferably,unlessyou'reinthedrugindustry.Druginfluence.That'stheideal.Ithoughtthatreallyisamarvelousmodelwhenitworkswell.IthoughtI'dreplicatethatwiththisbook.Thesearen'tjustmyideasorsomethingIreadinabookoronlineorsawavideo.Isentitouttoovertwodozenofthetopresearchersinthecountryonthis,andsoit'scarefullyvetted.Theinformationofthisbookissolid.Imean,there'snomistakesinit.Now,atleastmistakesfromtheperspectiveofthestateoftheartoftheknowledgeofwhenitwaswritten,whichwastheendoflastyear.Ofcourse,we'regoingtolearnnewknowledgeandwe'regoingtoreviseitandimproveit.Imean,that'sjustthenatureofscience.It'ssolidandyoucantrusttheinformationinthere.

DaveAspey: Oneoftheothertheoriesofcancer,andthisissomethingthatwedidn'ttalkaboutlasttime,issomethingthatreallycaughtmyattention.YouwerekindenoughtoscreenMOLDY,mydocumentary,foryourlistenersoryourviewers,yourblogvisitors.Whateveryourcallthatlargenumberofpeoplewhoreadyourstuff.There'sthefungalbionicsseriesfromAVCostantinipresenteda


prettycompellingcasethatatleastsomecancerisactuallyafungalinfectionoratleasttiedtofungaltoxins,whichthemselvesaremitochondrialtoxins.TheoldmitochondrialRbacteria.Ancientbacteria.Fungusandbacteriahavehadwarfortheirentireexistence.It'snowonderthatouthereafunguscouldaffectmitochondriaandmakeitamitochondrialdisease.Doyoubelievethatsomecancerisactuallyafungalinfection?

Dr.JosephM.: WhetherIbelieveitornot,itdoesn'ttakeawayfromthetruth.Theyclearlyare.I'veactuallyreadCostantini'sbooks.He'sdonethatforawhile.Ithinkinthe90sIreadhisbooksandsawhimlecturing.Ishestillalive?Idon'tknow.

DaveAspey: No,hischildrenorgrandchildrenarerunningit.IorderedhisbooksfromGermanywhentheyfirstcameout.Theywerelike$500acopyandarrivedhandwrappedandallthat.Theychangedbythinkingaboutcancer,realizingthatokay,IseepeoplewhoIknowhaveafungalinfection.Iftheywouldjustgoonantifungals,theywouldn'thavecancer.Iseepeoplewhohavemitochondrialdisorders,andIdon'tthink,it'snotasacfungusgrowingintheirbrain.It'ssomethingelse.Forpeoplelistening,whenwesaycancerisamitochondrialdisorder,Ialwayswanttoputalittleasteriskinthereandgo,"Yes,andsometimesit'snotcancer.It'sfungus."

Dr.JosephM.: Well,Ibelievethemycotoxinsactuallycausemitochondrialdysfunction,ifI'mnotmistaken.

DaveAspey: Oh,theyabsolutelydo.

Dr.JosephM.: That'sthemechanism.It'sstillmitochondrialdysfunction.

DaveAspey: Iguess,tobereallyspecificinthequestion,CostantiniandDougCoffman,anotherfriend.

Dr.JosephM.: Ijustlecturedwithhimafewmonthsago.

DaveAspey: Oh,youdid?Cool.I'vebeenouttovisithiminhisstudios.Agoodguy.HewasalsoinMOLDY.Hisperspective,andwhatIthinkI'mleaningtowardsisthatsometimescancerisactuallythefungusitselfgrowing,whichsharesalotofDNAwithus.Onamicroscopeyoudon'treallyseeit,butyouwouldseeitongeneticanalysis.Maybe20%ofcancersareactuallyfungalinfectionsthatlooklikecancer,buttheyactlikefungalinfections.Thentherestofitisjustmitochondrialdisorderthatspreadsinthebody.Doyoubythatperspective,orisitjustthatthefunguscausemitochondria?

Dr.JosephM.: Ihaven'tstudieditcarefullyenough.IreadCostantini'sworkabout20yearsagoorso,andIdon'trecallthedetails.Frommyperspectivenow,itwouldmakesensebecausethetreatmentsareprettysimilar.ThetreatmentsfromDocCoffman'sperspectiveistocleanupyourdiet.Everythingwe'retalking[inaudible00:21:58]inHeadstrong,sothat'sgoingtoeliminatemostofthe


mycotoxin,butitwon'teliminateyourexposureifyou'reinamoldyenvironment.Youobviouslyhavetoaddressthat.

DaveAspey: Yougottofixthat.

Dr.JosephM.: Yougottofixitormoveorremediateorwhatever.Getthewaterintrusionoutofyoursystem.

DaveAspey: Yourbookisaboutthemitochondrialsideofit,clearly,butIjustfiguredofallthehealthinfluencerswhowouldknow,okay.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah.That'swhatwefocusonandreallyspecificdetailsonwhatyoucando.DoctorSeyfriedisprobablytheleadingexpertintheworldonthiswholeprocess.He'saresearcher.He'saPhD,he'sascientist.Hedoesnottreatpatients,buthe'shadalotofpeoplecontacthimandherefersallthosepatientstoanutritionist.Thenutritionisthelpedmeco-writethebook.She'streated4or500ofhispatientsinthetrencheswiththisprogram.HernameisMerriam[Calamian00:22:54]andshehasactuallyhadasonwhoactuallydiedfromaveryaggressivebraincancer.Shedidn'tknowthisinformationatthebeginning.That'swhatcatapultedherintothiswholeprocess.Ifsheknewnowwhatsheknewbackthen,hersonwouldstillbealive,butshedidn't.It'saprocess.Shehelpedmewritethisandit'soneofthereasonswhyit'ssogoodbecausethere'salotofgood,practical,real-worldexperienceinthere.

DaveAspey: Iprobablyshould'velookedatthesubtitlethere,ortheco-authorthere,Ididn'trealizeherbackground.

Dr.JosephM.: She'snotaco-author.

DaveAspey: Oh,[crosstalk00:23:30].Okay.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah.She'ssortofaghosteditor.

DaveAspey: Oh,someonewhohelped.Igetit.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah.Interestingly,thedivisionforthisbookistocreateamassivedemandinthecountryforthistypeofserviceinappreciationofthat.Whatwe'redoingatthesametimeiswe'reworkingwiththeAmericanCollegeofNutritionandMerriamhasdevelopedacertificationcoursesothatotherhealthcareprofessionals,nutritionists,physicians,chiropractorscanbecomecertifiedandstarthelpingpeoplewithitsotheycanhaveahealthcoachandwalkthemthroughit.Iknowyou'vegotyourownBulletproofcertificationprogram,butthisisalittlebitdifferent.

DaveAspey: Yeah.You'redoingmedicalcertification.We'redoingpeoplewhowanttobecoaches.It'sonlysomefood.It'sactuallymorearoundmindsetandfoodandhowthephysicalhardwareaffectsmindset.Totallynotinanywaycompetitive.


Infact,verycomplementary.Getalotofdoctorswhocometoourthing,butit'snotacontinuingmedicaleducation.It'snotCME.It'snoneofthat.It's[crosstalk00:24:33].

Dr.JosephM.: Thisisprofessionallycertified,soyougetthewholedarnthing.

DaveAspey: There'satonofdoctorswholistentoBulletproofRadio,andsoIwouldhopethatifyou'relistening,thisisthekindofthingtodobecausewhatI'velearnedeversinceIreallystartedrepairingmyselfinmylatetwenties,15yearsago,Iknewevenbackthenthemitochondrialthingsworked,thatwhateverIcoulddoinastudywoulddothings.Theveryearlycoconutoil,movingintothebrainoctaneandthingslikethat.Theyallworked,butIhadn'tputitalltogetheruntilIwroteHeadstrongtorealizethateverysinglethingthatmatteredwasmitochondrial.

ThereisnothingthatIhaveeverdonethatimprovedmyperformanceorbroughtmebackfrombeingafat,unhealthy,tired,brain-foggyguythatwasnotamitochondrialbiohack,likeeveryone.Ifyoudistilleverythingdowntorootcauses,andyou'readoctorandyoucareaboutgettingthemaximumbenefitforapatientwhetheryouhavethreeminutesorthreehourswithapatient,ifyouunderstandthatthere'sjustonethingthataffectseverything,that'swhereyouhavethemostleverageforyourtime.Youspent12yearsinmedicalschoolandhundredsofthousandsofdollarsinyourtraining.Ifyoucangetmorereturnoneveryminuteinvestedwithapatient,yougetitfrommitochondria.That'swhytheprogramyou'retalkingaboutwouldbesomethingeverydoctorshouldgoto.

Dr.JosephM.: Noquestion.Fortunately,Iwenttomedicalschool.Igraduatedin'82.Thatwasawhileago,about35years.

DaveAspey: Couldtheyspellmitochondriabackthen,Dr.Mercola?

Dr.JosephM.: I'lltellyouwhattheycouldn'tspellandtheydiduntilthe90swasMTOR,whichisstillnotintheconsciousnessofmostpeople.Icouldn'tagreemorewithyourassessmentoftheimportanceofmitochondrialfunction,butthesadrealityis,onlyahandful,andmyguesswouldbe,Icouldn'timagineanythingbutfarlessthan1%ofcliniciansappreciatewhatyoujustsaid.

DaveAspey: Theywillaftertheyhearthis.

Dr.JosephM.: Theyknowmitochondria.Theyknowwhattheydo,buttheydon'tgetthefullpicture.IknowIdidn'tfullyappreciateituntilIreadTravis'bookandstarteddiggingdeepinthis.Iliterallyreadthousandsofpapers,dozensofbookstoputthisbooktogether.It'sanimportant...Oneofmystrategies,I'vegottoshareoneofmypersonalstrategies.

DaveAspey: Sure.Pleasedo.


Dr.JosephM.: Ithinkyou'dlikethis.I,again,fullyembracethephotobiologyandIliveneartheoceaninaveryniceenvironment,alittlebitdifferentthanVancouver.MostoftheyearI'mabletogoout,I'dsay,almostallthetime.Evenifit'scold,youcanstilldocoldthermogenesis.Igetabout90minutesorlongeradaywalkingonthebeach.Mostofthetimebarefootandwithoutashirt.Almostallthetime,actually.I'mgettingthephotons,gettingtheelectrons,gettingthenegativeionsfromtheocean.Actuallygettingmicrobesfromtheseabirdsthatarethere,thefish.That'sjustimprovingmymicrobialdiversity.Theobviousquestionformostbusyprofessionalswouldbe,howthehelldoyoujustifythattimecommitment?Well,that'swhenIdomyreading.That'swhyIwasabletoread150books.Ireadthebooks.Aneathack,Idon'tknowifyourealizethis,manypeoplemaynotsoI'mgoingtoshareit,thatifyouhaveaKindle,andIloveKindlethebestbecausethehealthiestlightdevice[crosstalk00:27:54].

DaveAspey: Yes.

Dr.JosephM.: Thereisnolight.It'sjustreflectedsunlight.

DaveAspey: Bytheway,youdon'tmeanKindleFire.YoumeanthepaperKindle,theePaperone?

Dr.JosephM.: Oh,no.Yeah.IpersonallyusetheOasis,whichistheirhighendone,buttheyhaveawholeseriesofdifferentones.Thebeautifulthingabout...

DaveAspey: Theonesthatdon'thaveanLEDscreeniswhatI'msaying,justforpeoplelistening.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah.

DaveAspey: Right.

Dr.JosephM.: Well,thereisanLEDlightinthere.Theyhavealightsource,butyoujustturnitoffandthebatterylastslongertoo.Youjustusethereflectedsunlight.Infact,thebrighteritis,theeasieritistoread.Whatmostpeopledon'trealizeisyoucanreadotherbooks,othermaterialsonthereotherthanbooksthatyoupurchaseonAmazon.YouactuallyhaveinyourAmazonaccount,youcanintothedevicesettingsandyou'llgettheemailaddressforyourdevice.Imusthave10,15KindlesI'vepurchased,soyouhavetofigureoutwhichoneitis.ThenyoucansetthatasyourdefaultandthenyoucouldsendPDFs,youcansendwebpages,300-pageWorddocuments.I'mjustreadingMerriam's.WereadaboutthefirstfourchaptersofherbooktodayanditwasaWorddocument.Itwasa600-pageWorddocument.YoucandownloadthosetoyourKindleandyoureadthem.It'sjustgreat.That'saninterestinghackwhereyoucanoptimizeyourphotobiologyandimproveyourmind.

DaveAspey: YouliveinFlorida,whichgivesyouallthatamazingsunshine.InyourbookFatforFuel,youtalkaboutphotobiomodulation,aboutlightexposure.


Dr.JosephM.: Absolutely.Wetalkaboutthephotobiology,notsomuchthephotobiomodulation,whichistheartificialinducementusing...Typically,thenewestonesofcoursearetheinfraredsandtheredstoimprovemetabolicfunction,butspecificallymitochondria.660to630andthen810to830,somewhereinthatrange.

DaveAspey: It'sinterestingthismorningbecauseIliveinCanadawhereit'salittledarkerthaninFlorida.Beforethisinterview,IwasdownstairsandIstoodontheBulletproofvibe.I'mnotgoingforawalk,butI'mvibrating,whichstimulatesmitochondriathewayapiezoelectricwaythatwalkingdoes.I'mstandinginfrontofawall-mountable,highultravioletBtanninglamp.Itactuallyissomethingthatyouusedtomanufacturebecauseyouwerethefirstguytotalkaboutthese.

Dr.JosephM.: That'strue.Icanbiohackthatforyou,buttogiveyouanupdateonthat,unfortunately,theFTCthoughtthatIfailedmiserablyanddeceivedtheconsumersbynotwarningthemitcancauseskincancer.OnepersongotskincancerandthenweusedtheFDAguidelines,whichisphysicallyimpossibletogetskincancerbecauseitsaiduseitonlyforfiveminutes.Eventhoughwehadallthosecautionsinthere,theystillsaid,"No,youfailedtodothat.You'vegottosendoutletterstoeveryoneyousoldthisto.Thenwegettowritetheletter.Youcan'twriteit."Itsays,"Dr.Mercolaliedtoyou.Youcangetyourmoneyback.Justsayyes."Itwas$3millionlossonthatone.JustthecriminalnatureoftheFTC.

DaveAspey: It'samazing.Peoplelisteningtothisusuallyhavenoideawhat'sgoingon.There'stheFDAandtheycantellyouyou'renotallowedtosay,evenifthere's50,000studiesaboutsomething,ifyousellityou'renotallowedtosayanythingtruthfulaboutitotherthanwhatever'sinthesenarrowrules,sothereisnofreespeechonthat.Infact,it'scalledcontrolledspeech.That'sactuallythewordforit.TheFTC,andsotheFDAcancomeinandtheycantakeyourinventoryandthingslikethat.FTCcanjustgiveyoumillionsandmillionsofdollarsinfineswithoutawarning.They'retheoneswhereguyslikeyouandme,whoareworkingonmovingtheneedle,wehaveanextraburdentospeaktruthfullyaboutthethingswesell.Infact,sometimesIwanttosaymoreaboutcoffeeorIwanttosaymoreaboutbrainoctaneorwhatever.

Dr.JosephM.: [crosstalk00:31:50]

DaveAspey: Infact,ifItoldpeoplethetruthaboutthose,that'sbackedbyphasetwoclinicaltrials,Iwouldnolongerbeallowedtosellthem.Imakegoodstuffthatmakesyouhappy.

Dr.JosephM.: Orworseyet,throwyouinjail.

DaveAspey: Theymighttry.Fortunately,IliveinCanada.It'shardtogettheSWATteamsuphere.Theycan'tswingatme.


Dr.JosephM.: Isthatoneofthereasonsthatmotivatedyourmoveupthere?

DaveAspey: Notatall.Itwasmywife'smedicallicense.Wethoughtitwouldworkuphere.Thatwasit.I'mnotparanoidaboutthat.Infact,[crosstalk00:32:15].

Dr.JosephM.: LetmegiveyouahackforthatultravioletBradiationthatyou'regetting.Youprobablyrealize,andyou'veinterviewedAlexander[inaudible00:32:24]inthepast,whoIthinkisoneofthetopphotobiologyexpertsintheworld.Ilovethatman.I'veinterviewedhimafewtimes.I'mgoingtointerviewafewmore.IfyoucangetpasthisthickGermanaccent.WhatIwoulddoiscombineitwiththeredandthenearinfrared.810to830andthe660,630.Somewhereinthere.Whenyougetintothesunlight,you'regettingallthoserays.You'renotjustgettingUVB.

DaveAspey: Infact,Ihavesomethingcalledtheredchargerhere,whichis40,000redandinfraredLEDs.

Dr.JosephM.: That'sall?

DaveAspey: Ittakes220topowerthething.It'salot.

Dr.JosephM.: 220volts?Ohmygosh.Crazy.

DaveAspey: Well,it'salotoflights.

Dr.JosephM.: Howmanywattsisit?

DaveAspey: Idon'tknowoverthetopofmyhead.

Dr.JosephM.: Mustbeoverathousandwatts.It'sakilowatt.

DaveAspey: It'sLEDs,sothey'rerelatively[inaudible00:33:16],butthey'rehighpowerLEDs.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah,butit's40,000ofthem.

DaveAspey: Youlayinitandyougetwarm.Itfeelslikeyou'reinthesun.Somethinghappensforme.WhenIdothingsthatreallystimulatemymitochondria,whetherit'spulsingelectromagneticfrequencies,I'vegotapulsewaveXLpro,whichissolidstatepowersystemsoutofjetfightersthatcontrolthesecoils.WhenIlayonthatorIdoreallyhighpower...

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah,I'veseenyourinterviewwiththat.Youputyourfeetonthemandyoucanlightupalightbulb.

DaveAspey: That'sateslalight.That'sevendifferent.Thisotherthingislikethosebigcoilsformagnetictherapy.I'msureyou'vetalkedaboutthoseinyourcontent,butit'sawholemaththatdoesthat.IgointothisweirdalteredstatewhenItrigger


mymitochondriasometimesandIgetthatfromthatmanyLEDlights.Yousortofgosomewhereandit'slikeabizarremeditation.Ihopeit'sgoodforme.

Dr.JosephM.: TrycombiningitwithUVB.Ithinkthecomboisgoingtobebetterbecauseyou'dknowwhenyougetUVB,it'sbeneficialofcourse.ItmakesvitaminD.ItalsocausesROS,[inaudible00:34:22].Whattheredandthenearinfrareddoistheyhaverepairandrestorativefunctions,sotheycomplimenteachotherreallywell.They'redesignedtobetogether.

DaveAspey: I'dhavetotakeaparttheredtreasure,butIcouldprobablyhangonewallofthat.It'sfrustratingbecauseonethingthatIthoughtwasreallycoolthatyoudidandIknowthisisasmallpartofyourFatforFuelbookandthere'smoreIwanttotalkaboutwithyouthere,butoneofthethingsthatyoudidthatIthoughtwasvery,veryhighintegritywasyouactuallysaid,"Screwit.I'mnotgoingtosellthesetanninglampsanymore.I'mjustgoingtotalkabouthowimportantsunlightis.I'mgoingtotalkabouthowimportanttheyare.I'mgoingtoturndownthemoneytomaintainmyfreedomofspeech,"becausebeingabletotalkaboutthistoamillionpeopleonyourlistisactuallymoreimportantthanbeingabletomakeafewmilliondollarssellinglamps,eventhoughthelampshelp.Alotofpeopledon'tthinkaboutitlikethat,butasanentrepreneurandahealerandphysician,youactuallytookthehighroad,whichwas,"I'lltakelessmoneyandI'llspeakmoretruth."That'sliterallyputtingyourmoneywhereyourmouthis,soIthoughtIadmiredthatfromafar.

Dr.JosephM.: Thankyou,buthowmuchmoneydoyouneed,really?I'vegotmorethanIneedforalifetime,soit'sjustamatteroflearningandhowtooptimizeanddistributethatinthebestwaypossible.OneofmymissionsistocatalyzethetransformationofhealthcareintheUnitedStatessothatsomanypeopledon'thavetodieneedlesslyandsufferneedlessly.1,600peopleeverydaydieintheUnitedStatealoneeveryday.Youknow,Dave,thevastmajorityofthoseareabsolutelyneedless.Probably1,500ofthemcould'vebeenreverseiftheyknewtheinformationinyourbookandmybook.Noquestion,andappliedit.Notjustknewit,applied.

DaveAspey: Yeah,andappliedit.That'sagoodpoint.Thethingthatreallyjustbothersmeisthatbeforeallthosepeopledied,forthe25yearsbeforetheydied,theywereinastateofmitochondrialdecline.Thelessyourmitochondrialfunction,themoreofanassholeyou'regoingtobe.Idon'tusuallyswearonBulletproofRadio,butthat'sthewordforit.Isaythatbecausewhenmymitochondriadidn'twork,thatwasareallygooddescriptionofmebecauseyoudon'thaveenoughenergytoregulateyouremotions.Thenyouyellatyourkidsandyoucuttheguyoffintrafficandyoudoallthesethings.

Youmissoutonlifethatyoucould'velivedbecauseyouweretootiredorfoggyorbecauseyourjointshurtoryoujustcouldn'tdoit.That'stherealcostofthis.Deathisjusttheendresult,butit'sthelifenotlivedbecauseyourbatterywasathalfchargeallthetime.That'sanunacceptablestateforhumanity.What


you'resayingaboutmoneythere,yeah,onceyourneedsaremetandyourfamily'ssafeandyouhaveaplacetoliveandgoodqualityfood,therestofthemoney,itpaysforamicrophonetohelpmorepeopleortodrivesomesortofsocialchange.Whatelseareyougoingtodowithit?

Dr.JosephM.: Right.Peoplethinkofalotofcrazythingstodowithit,andtheydoasyouwellknow.That'sthemostrationalapproach,Ithink.

DaveAspey: HowmanyBugattisdoyouhave,Dr.Mercola?None,right?Idriveapickuptruck.Idon'tknowaboutyou.Thatsaid,Iwouldn'tminddrivingaBugatti.Ijustdon'twanttobuyone.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah.Theyjustreleasedthelatestone.Ithinkit'stwoandahalfmilliondollars.Iforgetthe[inaudible00:37:51]orsomething,butanyway...

DaveAspey: AtleastyourfriendsattheFTCcanaffordit.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah,yeah.Well,justtobeclear,theydidnotcollectthefundsthemselves.

DaveAspey: Oh,theydidn't.Okay.

Dr.JosephM.: Theyforcedustorebatethattotheconsumersandwedidn'tgetthebedbackinexchange.Theygottokeepthebedandtheygetwhattheypaidforitiswhatresulted.Theyconfusedandmisdirectedthem.Theydidn'texplainthewholesituationandwhattheprocesswas.Ifourpeoplewhopurchaseditknewthat,Idon'tthinktheywould've[crosstalk00:38:22].

DaveAspey: Theywouldn'thaveaskedfortheirmoneyback,right.Icertainlydidn'taskformymoneyback.Ilikethatthing.

Dr.JosephM.: DidyougettheletterfromtheFTC?

DaveAspey: Yeah,absolutely.Ithrewitaway.

Dr.JosephM.: Anothermanwithintegrity.

DaveAspey: WhywouldIdothat?That'snotokay.Thenagain,Isawwhatwashappening.Youwerecausingsomediscomfortwiththecontentyou'resharing.

Dr.JosephM.: Theproblemwasisthatthesurgeongeneralwasadermatologist.Hewasforsixmonthsorso,butthenheissuedallthesedeclarationsandcatalyzedthismovementintheFTCtoreallyobliterateanyonewhowassellingtanningbeds.Wehappenedtobeoneofthebiggerproviders.

DaveAspey: Isthereabrandoflightthat...IgetthisquestionallthetimeandI'mhesitant.Imean,IknowsomebrandsonAmazonandallthatstuff,butIhaven'tdoneEMFresearchtoreallyfullyendorseagoodbrandforpeople.I'mthinkingabout


puttingareptilelightthat'sfullspectruminmydiningroomsomykidsareexposedatbreakfast.Isthereakindoflightthatyourecommend?

Dr.JosephM.: We'vegottobecarefulbecauseexcessiveUVcancontribute[inaudible00:39:30].

DaveAspey: I'mconcerned.

Dr.JosephM.: Ithinkthephotobiomodulationunitsthat[inaudible00:39:36]discussesareprobablyidealwherethey'rebalancedwiththeredandtheinfraredandtheUV.Ireallyhaven'tcarefullylookedatitsincewegotoutofthat.Here'sanothercomponentandyouunderstandthis,butIjustwantedtoreinforceitforyourviewersandlistenersisthattheUVB,ofcourse,makesvitaminDandthatisthebestandmostidealwaytoincreaseyourvitaminDlevels.IhavenotswallowedavitaminDpillfor10yearsandmytypicalvitaminDleveliswellover50,typicallymuchcloserto70nanogramspermilliliter.

DaveAspey: Wow,Floridalife.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah.I'mcommittedtoit.Imoveddownheretohealthyandit'sbeenveryuseful.Now,youcanswallowvitaminDandifyoudon'thaveanyotheroption,thenprobablyyourbest[crosstalk00:40:22].

DaveAspey: Ithinkso.

Dr.JosephM.: ThenextbestwouldbetheUVBexposure,ifyou'reinavitaminD[winter00:40:27].Ideally,you'dliketostructureyourlifesothatyoucangetyourbutttotheplacewhereyou'reinasubtropicalareaandyoudon'tneedtodoit,andhopefullynothighdensitypopulationbecauseithasitsownartifacts.Iliveinaplacewherethere'svirtuallynotrafficandIhaveaccesstothebeach.It'sprettywonderful,actually.

DaveAspey: Yeah.It'ssomethingI'veconsidered.IreallyappreciatesunlightandwhereIamisbeautiful.Ihavesockeyesalmonandgrass-fedbeefandmyowngardenandall.Thelightisn'tsogoodhere,soIsupplementlightasIwould[crosstalk00:41:01].

Dr.JosephM.: [crosstalk00:41:01]youcanfigureitout.Wecoulddiscussprivatelyandmaybebrainstormdifferentthingsforyouraudienceandforyourpersonally.

DaveAspey: Sure.Ijustwantedtopickyourbrainonthat.Let'sswitchgearsbecauseallthislightwe'retalkingaboutisdirectlymitochondrial-based.InFatforFuel,youtalkaboutmitochondrialtherapy.Mymindgoesherebecauseyou'reoneofthefewpeopleouttherewho'sreallyuptospeedonlightinmitochondria.Yousaidit'spartofyourbook,butit'snotthemainfocus.Tellmeaboutthemitochondrialtherapythat'sinthebookthatphysiciansandlistenerswouldbeinterestedin.


Dr.JosephM.: Itessentiallyechoesmostofwhatyou'vebeentalkingabout.There'sthreeimportantcomponents.Oneisthatyou'vegottoshiftyourmetabolismtoburnfatasyourprimaryfuel.That'ssomethingIdidn'tappreciate.MyfirstbookwasaNewYorkTimesBestSellerwritten13yearsago.ItwasNoGrainDiet,butIdidn'tunderstandthisconcept.Ijustknewyouhadtohavelowcarbs.Lowcarbs,continuouslyisnotagoodeither.Wetalkabout,essentially,thistransitionperiodbecauseIwouldsay,notyourgroup,probably.Themajorityofyourviewersareprobablyburningfatforfuel,butwellover95%ofthepopulation,certainly90%.Byguess,probably95%ofthepopulationisnot.They'reburningcarbsasaprimaryfuel,whichleadstomitochondrialmetabolicdysfunction.Gettingthemtolowertheircarbsforaperioduntiltheyareabletodothat,wegaveyouthespecificmonitorsandhowtoaddressthat,andthereplacingitwithhighqualityfatandpayingverycarefulattentiontotheprotein,andyou'reonthefewpeoplewhogetthis.

Themyrecommendationisagramperkilogramofleanbodymass,whichforsomeonelikeyouandmeisprobably60gramsaday.Ifyou'reahalfweightwoman,itmightbe30gramsaday.Notforever,justuntilyouburnfatforfuel.Whenyoudo,thentwo,threedaysaweekwhenyou'redoingyourstrengthtea,maybedoublethat.Certainlyby25,50%,especiallywiththe[inaudible00:42:54].Thenyouhavesomegoodhealthycarbs,likeasweetpotatoorsomething.Thatwillgiveyouarealanabolicstimulus.Especiallyifyou'retreatingcancer.AsImentioned,Iinterviewedagroup.MaybeIdidn'tmentionitwhenwewereonline,butIinterviewedlastweekortwoweeksago,agroup...

DaveAspey: TheTurkeygroup.

Dr.JosephM.: [inaudible00:43:12]groupfromTurkeywhoaretreatingmetastaticstagefourcancerpatientsthatwereliterallyaweekortwoweekstolive.They'regetting50%resolutionrate.Theywereevendoingthis,sothere'ssomeconcernnotto[crosstalk00:43:25].

DaveAspey: Proteinrestriction?Theyweredoingrecycling.

Dr.JosephM.: Theyweredoingthecycling,whichkindofshockedme.IalmostfelloffmystandherebecauseIjustcouldn'tbelievethattheyweredoingit,buttheyweregettingincredibleresults.Thecyclingiscrucial,butonlyonceyou'vebeenabletoburnfatforfuel.

DaveAspey: Howlong?

Dr.JosephM.: Itcouldbeafewweekstoafewmonths.Ifyouwerereallymetabolicallyinjured,likeyouwerewhenyoufirststartedthisprocess,itmighttakesixmonths,betterpartofayear.Itdependsonhowaggressiveyouwanttoget.Wetalkaboutintegratingfasting.IthinkyouperhapshaveinterviewJason[Fung00:43:57]before,the[crosstalk00:43:58]fromToronto.


DaveAspey: Yes.Absolutely.

Dr.JosephM.: Greatguy.Lovethatman.Weintegratehiswork.He'soneoftheguysthatproofreadthebooktooforus.Ifyouintegratefasting,youcandoitalotmorerapidly.Ilovefasting.Actually,I'monaminifasttoday.Itrytodothatonceortwiceaweek,especiallyaftermyfeastdays,whichIlovefeastdays.

DaveAspey: Aren'ttheygood?

Dr.JosephM.: Wecallitfeast/faminecycling.There'sanumberofdifferentways,butit'sthesamething.It'scycling.That'sthecruxofit.Wegointospecificdetails.Youmaynotknowofthis.Youprobablydo,though.You'reprettybright.There'sthiswebsite,it'sanutrientstracker.It'scalledchronometer.com.

DaveAspey: Yeah,Chronometer.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah.Iconnectedwiththedeveloperofthesite,AaronDavidson.Heactuallymodifiedthesoftwareforus.Ifyougotochronometer.com/mercola,it'sspecificallyadaptedtoaketogenicdiet.

DaveAspey: Oh,cool.

Dr.JosephM.: It'sfree.There'snochargeforit.It'samarvelouspieceofsoftwarebecauseit'sreally,reallydifficulttoimplementthistreatmentprogramunlessyou'reverypreciseandmethodicalanddisciplinedaboutmeasuringandcarefullyenteringsometypeofnutrienttrackersoyoucanseeexactlywhatyourcaloriedistributionis.

DaveAspey: It'samazingwhenpeoplegetquantitativeaboutitwhatcanhappenbecauseyourealizeyou'reeatingalotmoreproteinthanyouthoughtyouwere,andyou'realsoprobablyburningyourproteinifyou'reonpaleo.Likeyousingeituntilit'sniceandcharredonthegrill.Ithasadifferenteffectonyourmitochondria,dependingonhowintactthefatandtheproteinis.

Dr.JosephM.: It'sburningupyourcellstoo.AllthatmitochondriaisactivatingMTOR,whichisjustoneoftheworstthingsyouwanttodoisyouwanttolivelong.Imeanchronicallyactivatingit.

DaveAspey: Iwasjustgoingtosaythere'smusclemass.Okay,right.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah,yeah.

DaveAspey: YouwantspikesofMTORandthenlowMTORtherestofthetime.

Dr.JosephM.: Ireallydon'tknowanyoneelse.I'msurethere'sothers,butIdon'tpersonallyknowanyoneelsewhounderstandsthisandisteachingitlikeyouare.


DaveAspey: IthinkPaulCheckisprobablytheotherguy.DoyouknowPaul?

Dr.JosephM.: Ihavenotstudiedhis...Iknowhimpersonally,butIhavenotstudiedhisworkforawhile.[crosstalk00:46:07]

DaveAspey: He'stheonlyotheroneI'vecomeacross.YougetitandIgetit.I'mkickingmyselfrightnow,butone...

Dr.JosephM.: It'snotmanypeople.

DaveAspey: Yeah.Thereyougo.OneoftheguysbehindCellGenealsoIthinkgetsthisstuff.It'sarandomkindoffact,exceptwhenyou'relookingatbodybuilderslike,"Oh,moreMTOR."Thenthesearetheguyswhoareunfortunatelydroppingdeadofheartattacksandcancerwithalarmingregularity.

Dr.JosephM.: Theywereoneofthefirstonestounderstandcyclingtoo.

DaveAspey: Theywere.

Dr.JosephM.: Theywerethefirstgroupofindividualswhogotcycling.Idon'tknowthattheyintegratedtheproteincomponenttoit,buttheycertainlygotitfromthecarbs.

DaveAspey: Theydid.Infact,I'velearnedmorefromthebodybuildersthan,atleastearlyinmythingthatIdidforanti-agingpeople.Iconsiderthemtobelikeoppositesidesofthesamecoinwheretheybothwantprofoundcontroloftheirbiology.Onegroupwantstogetswole,theothergroupwantstoliveforever.Iwanttobeinthemiddlethere.I'mhappytolivealmostforeverandbealmostmuscular.Thatseemslikeagoodplan.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah.Oneofthecommoninterventionsformanyanti-aginggroupsistousemetformin.It'spharmaceuticalofcourse.It'sanoralhypoglycemicthathelpscontrolyourbloodsugar,essentially.It'samitochondrialtoxin.It'samitochondrialpoison.IthinkIheardyoutalkaboutit,what,yourBritishphysicianwho'soneofyourconsultants.

DaveAspey: Yeah,ourmedicaldirectorMark[Gakninson00:47:38].Yeah.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah.Icouldn'tagreemorewiththis.Wetalkaboutthisinthebooktooisberberingisanalternative.Mostpeopledon'tknowthat.Theyjustareusingthis...It'sjustcrazytouseadrugforalmostanythingunlessyou'regoingtobedeadbecauseyoudon't.Certainlynottoextendyourlife.

DaveAspey: Iwoulduseadrugtoextendmylifeiftheriskrewardwasthere.

Dr.JosephM.: Yes,butthelikelihoodisnot.


DaveAspey: You'recorrect.Thelikelihoodislowonthat.Itookmetforminforthreeyearsasalife-extendingsupplementwhentheirresearchfirstcameout.IrememberImetwithateamfromBioMarkerPharmaceuticals,theguyswhodidtheoriginalresearchonmouseandgeneexpressionwithmetformin.IwalkedintotheroomwiththesepeopleandIsaid,"Oh,I'vebeenonitforthreeyears."Theylookedatmelike,"You'retheonlypersonweknowwho'sdonethat."Theysaid,"Doyoumindifweaskhowoldyouare?"Isaid,"Yes,I'm62."Youcould'veheardapindropinthisroom.

Dr.JosephM.: That'showoldIam.

DaveAspey: Thatwas10plusyearsago.ThenIsaid,"Guys,comeon."Itwasagoodconversation,butwhatIdidn'tknowisinadditiontothemitochondrialdamage,andIwassufferingfrommitochondrial,italsocanpermanentlyalteryourabilitytoabsorbB12evenafteryoustoptakingit.

Dr.JosephM.: [inaudible00:48:55]

DaveAspey: I'mscaredofmetforminandIdon'tuseit.Here'saquestionyoumayknowbecauseyou'retalkingaboutgettingmetabolismbackontrack.IdoalltheBulletproofstuffandyouandIareinsimilaralignmentonourrecommendations.IhadmyglucosetoleranceandIhadhighglucosetolerance.IhadmyinsulinsensitivitytestedandIhadperfectinsulinsensitivity,likeoneoutofascaleof160.Ihandleinsulinandglucosesimultaneouslybetterthanthe[crosstalk00:49:29].

Dr.JosephM.: Howdidyoudetermineinsulinsensitivity?Byfastinginsulinlevels?

DaveAspey: No,orwasit?

Dr.JosephM.: Wasitachallenge?

DaveAspey: Itwasn'tachallenge.Itmust'vejustbeenfastinglevels,becausefastinglevelsdon'ttellyouthatmuch.Ihavetopullupthedata.ThisisfromHumanLongevityInc.,PeterDiamandis'company,HLI.

Dr.JosephM.: Oh,sure.Youhadthattestdone?It'sa$25,000test.

DaveAspey: Yeah,Ihadthatdone.

Dr.JosephM.: Youhaditdone?Oh,boy.

DaveAspey: Thefullhumangenomehighresolution[inaudible00:49:54].

Dr.JosephM.: Ijustcouldn'tjustifyit.Isaid,"Noway."


DaveAspey: IthelpsthatIwasoneoftheveryfirstpeopletosignupforit,soIgotadiscount.

Dr.JosephM.: Ifitwaslike$10,000[crosstalk00:50:02].

DaveAspey: Itwasamorereasonableprice.I'mnotevensurewhatitwas,butitwas...

Dr.JosephM.: It's25now.

DaveAspey: Yeah.Man,onethingIlearned,you'lllovethisbecauseyoutalkaboutmitochondriainFatforFuel.Ihadthewholebodybonedensitythingdone.MybonedensityisveryhighbecauseofwhatIeat,vitaminK2andD3andsunlightexposuretoactivatethethingsthatwe'retalkingaboutandthatyoutalkedaboutinyourbook.Icarrymycellphoneonmyrightfemur,it'slikeathighpocket.IwillnotwearpantstoputmyphonebymyjunkbecauseIdon'twanttofrythatstuff.There'salotofdelicatestufftherethatIplantokeepusinguntilI'm180.Thepartofmyfemurwheremyphonesitshas10%lessbonedensity,andthat'smydominantleg.Like,ah!WheredoIputthisthing?BecauseIkindofuseit.

Dr.JosephM.: Youcanputitinthesameplaceaslongasyouputitinairplanemode.

DaveAspey: Itendtoputitinairplanemode.ThatresultshowedmethatIshouldputitinairplanemodemorethanIhadbeen.It'ssomethingI'vebeendreamingabout.

Dr.JosephM.: It'sanecessaryevil,butyouwanttolimityourexposuretothat.Additionally,therearesomeprotectorsyoucanputaroundthephone.It'sessentiallythesamething.Youwon'tgetthecellphonesignalin,soyou'llessentiallyputitinairplanemode.

DaveAspey: MynewplanisthatI'mgoingtobebuildingaRFshieldinginto...I'mjustgoingtohavesomeoneaddsomefabrictomypantsandseeifmybonedensitycomesback.I'lltellyouintwoyears.

Dr.JosephM.: Thenyouwon'tgetthephonecalls.

DaveAspey: Oh,it'lljustbebuiltbetweenthephoneandmybody,notbetweenthephoneandthe[crosstalk00:51:39].

Dr.JosephM.: Oh,okay.Notintheoppositeside.Okay.

DaveAspey: Bytheway,Ihavenoideaifthisisgoingtowork.

Dr.JosephM.: Basically,thereissomethingthat'scalledradiantbarrier.It'sverythickaluminumfoil.Youcouldjustcutasliceoutandhavesomeonesowitinyourpocketandputitontheoutsideofit.Yeah,that'swhatweneedtodo.


DaveAspey: Maybethere'sanentrepreneurlistening.Doyouguyswanttomakemesomepants?Let'stalk.

Dr.JosephM.: That'sagoodidea.AninterestingthingthatIlearnedindoingtheresearchforthisfromoneofmyeditors,noteditorsbythesciencecollaborators,Dr.[Levali00:52:09]outofTexasandNovaScotia.Lookedupandcouldseehewasconfusedabouthowinsulinworks.Welookedupsomepapersthatwerepublishedinthelate90sanditturnsoutmostpeopledon'tunderstandhowinsulinworks.Itdoesnotworkbyloweringyourglucoselevels.Imean,itworksforlowering[inaudible00:52:25],butdoesn'tworkbydrivingyourglucoseintothecell.Doyouwanttoknowhowitworks?

DaveAspey: Yeah,pleaseexplain.Yeah,I'mcurious.

Dr.JosephM.: Thisisthereasonwhyfeast/faminecyclingworks,becauseinsulinworksbysuppressinghepaticgluconeogenesis.Inotherwords,theliver'sabilitytogenerateglucose.Iwaswearinglikeyouwere,a24-hourglucosemonitor24/7whenIwrotethisbooksoIcanunderstandthis.Itwasamazing.I'dbehaving20gramsofcarbohydratesandmybloodsugarwouldstartrising.Itdidn'tmakeanysenseuntilIrealized,okay,theinsulinlevel'stoolow.[inaudible00:52:58]levelislike0.1,essentiallylikenoinsulin.There'snoinsulintoshutoffthatliverfrommakingglucose.Thesurprisingthingiseventhoughyourbloodsugarisstartingtorise,whenyoueathealthycarbohydrateslikesweetpotatoes,awholebigsweetpotato,orlotsofhealthyfruit,yourbloodsugarwillactuallydropandyourketonesrise.It'sjustthemostamazingthing.Now,youcan'tdothisallthetime,butifyourinsulinlevel'sreallylow,that'sthetypeofreactionyouget.Itconfirmedtheimportanceofthefeast/faminecyclingforus.

DaveAspey: There'sastudythatlookedatcardiacmitochondrialefficiency.Itmight'vejustbeencardiacefficiencyoritwasmuscleoutput,buttheylookedatitinthepresenceofpureketones,thepresenceofbasicglucoseandinsulin.Thepureglucosewas4%higher.Itwaslike28versus24%.Itworkedalittlebitbetter,butketoneswere24%.Ofcourse,they'remorestable,butthecombinationofthetwoislike36%,soyou'vegottohavealittlebitofinsulinandalittlebitofglucoseatleastsomeofthetimeversuswhathappenedtomewhenIdidnocarbs.Itwaslikeoneservingofbroccoliadayforthreemonths.Itgavemeeggallergies.Icouldn'tmakemucustolinemygut.Itwasahorribleexperiment,butatleastIlearnedsomething.Man,Istillhavetohackthat.

Dr.JosephM.: Anotherpartofthat,Dave,andI'mjustdevelopingadeeperappreciationofisthefactthattheliningofourintestinaltractactuallygoesfromoursinusesallthewaytoourrectumisonlyonecellthick.That'stheonlydistancebetweenyouandtheinside.It'sreallyeasytodamagethatbarrier.Youcandothatwiththingslikeglyphosate.Imean,that'soneofthemosttoxicones.Obviouslyglutencandoittoo,butit'sevenworsewithglyphosate.Evenifyou'reeatingcompletelyorganic,I'mnotsureifyou'reawareofthestatistics,butit'slikefivebillionpoundsofglyphosatearespreadintheenvironmenteveryyear.


Itgoesupintothewindanditwillspraydownonyourorganiccropsifthey'reoutside,unlessthey'reinsometypeofgreenhouse.Virtuallyeveryone'sexposedtothisandthey'redecimatingtheirintestinalepithelium,sowetalkaboutthat.Imean,obviouslyifyou'reeatingorganic,you'regoingtohavealotlessexposureandcauselessdamage,buttherearesomethingsthatcanbedonetoaddressthat,whichwedon'thavetimeforhere,butI'lltalktoyouofflineandrecommendsome[inaudible00:55:22]expertsinthis.

DaveAspey: AretheseinFatforFuel?Doyoutalkaboutthis?

Dr.JosephM.: No,wedon'tbecauseitwastoonew.Ijustlearnedaboutthislatelastyearandwe'restillintheprocessofvalidatingit.Itseemstobeoneofthemoreimportantmechanisms.Aninterestingartifactofatherapythataddressesthisisthatitalsodecimatescirculatingcancerstemcells,whichiswhatkillsyouwhenyouhavecancer.It'snotthecanceritself.It'sthecirculatingcancerstemcellsthattransfertoothertissuesinyourbody.

DaveAspey: Interesting.

Dr.JosephM.: Wouldn'tthatbenicetohavealittletherapyforthat?Idon'twanttoconfuseanyoneupfront.Theoptimaldiet,asyouandIbothunderstandit,implementedmostlikelywillnotcurecancer.It'llprobablypreventitinmostpeople,butitwon'tcureit.YouneedthesestacktherapiesandItalkedaboutsomeoftheminthebook.Someofthemwouldbelikehyperbaricoxygenorexercisewithoxygentherapy,glycolyticinhibitors,insulinpotentiationtherapyandavarietyof[inaudible00:56:20],intervenousvitaminC,whichIknowyou'veinterviewedDr.[inaudible00:56:23]recently.Thesearetypesof[inaudible00:56:26]whenyouaddthosetogether,whichiswhattheoncologygroupinTurkeydid,thenyou'regoingtogetunbelievableresults,eveninstagefourcancer.Ifyou'vegotstageone,two,orthree,thelikelihoodofacompleteresolutionisvery,veryhigh.Thefoundationisadiet.Theabsolutecoreisadiet.

DaveAspey: It'sthediet.OneofthemostinspiringthingsintheearlydaysofBulletproofthathappenedtomeisthatIgotcontactedbyaFortune500CEO.It'sconfidentialwhoheis,buthewasdiagnosedwithpancreaticcancer.No,thiswasnotSteveJobs,butthat'swhatkilledSteveJobs.WesatdownforbreakfastattheRosewoodHotel,whichisrightacrossfromalltheventurecapitalfirmsonSandhillRoadwhereallthesebiginvestmentshappen.Hetoldmewhathedid.

Hesaid,"Dave,assoonasIfoundoutIhadthis,Ididn'ttellmyfamily.Theytoldmethetumorwastoobigtooperateandtheygavemesixmonthstolive."Hesaid,"Screwthat.Iquiteatingallsugar.Iwentintofullketosis,likeveryheavydutyketosis."Hediddoverylow-dosechemobecausehewasatthepointwhereheneededtoshrinkit.Theywouldn'tdoinsulinpotentiationtherapy,sohebroughthisowninsulinwithhimandwasinjectinghimselfwithinsulin


duringthething.Hisdoctor'slike,"Whatareyoudoing?"He'slike,"I'maCEO.Shutup.Youwilldealwithit."

Dr.JosephM.: Ishestillalive?

DaveAspey: Yes,heis.Heshrunkthetumorinthreemonthstowhereitwasoperable,hadittakenout,nevertoldhisfamilythetrueextentthathewasalmostdeadbecausehedidn'twanttofreakouthislittlekids.Tothisday,he'sahappy,healthy,incrediblyhighvibrationguy.Takingcontrollikethatandusingketosis,buthealsotreatedit.I'mnotahugefanofchemo.Neitherareyou.Therearetimeswhenitcanbeuseful.

Dr.JosephM.: ThisTurkishoncologygroup,justbecauseofthelawsandeverything,it'sjustvery,verydifficulttoimplement.Youcoulddoitinnanomodels,butyoucan'tdoitinpeople,soyou'vegottousethesechemotherapyagents.Theyuseditatthelowestpossibledose,whichradicallydecreasesthesideeffects.Whenyou'reenteringthis,andtheyfastthembeforetheygetthetreatment,Imeantheyhavevirtuallynosideeffectsfromthechemo,whichisjustremarkable.

DaveAspey: Wow.ThisisthefutureofcancerandIloveit.Idon'ttalkaboutcancermuchinHeadstrong.Italkaboutessentiallyevery...

Dr.JosephM.: That'swhyyourbookscomplementeachother.

DaveAspey: They'resotogether.Becauseyou'reaphysician,Ithinkyouhavemorecredibility.WhatdoIknowabouttreatingcancer?Iknowaboutthesystemofthebodyandwhereitgoesawryincancer,buttreatingcancer?GoodGod,that'soutsidemyAgrade,butnotyours.

Dr.JosephM.: Yourbiohacksarewhattreatsit.It'snotjustcancer.IttreatsheartdiseaseanddiabetesandAlzheimer'sandneurodegenerativedisease,seizures.

DaveAspey: It'slifestylethatdoesallofthose.Forme,thethingthatshinesthroughinyourbookaswellisalwaysmitochondria.Ifyourmitochondriaareaprobleminyourheart,you'regoingtohaveheartproblems.Ifyouthey'reaprobleminyourbrain,youhavebrainproblems.They'reaprobleminyourcirculatorysystem,youcanhaveproblemswithendothelium.Inyournervoussystem,you'regoingtohaveperipheralneuropathyorParkinson'sorALSordemyelination.Likewow,butit'salwaysthebattery.Everythingstreamsdownfromthat.TherecommendationsinFatforFuel,andthey'recomplementary,butIwouldjustencouragepeoplelistening,ifyou'vegonethroughthe300orhowever,50,60episodesofBulletprooforevensomesubsetofthem,Irecommendagoodnumberbooksforyou.Therearen'tthatmanybookswhereyoucanlearnaboutthiskindofstuffandtherearen'tthatmanywrittenbypeoplewithaprettydarnstellartrackrecordofbreakingnewhealthnewsreliably.You're20yearsnow.Youopenedin'97,right?


Dr.JosephM.: Yeah.Thisisour20thanniversary.Yeah.WeopenedoursitebeforeGoogle.

DaveAspey: Youdid?Youprobablyhostedwithus.WhenGooglehadoneserver,theyputtheirserverinmycompany'sbuildings.Ididn'townthecompany.Iwasamid-levelengineerandIbecamealittleminiatureexecutivethere.Irememberbackinthedaygoingtoyourwebsitegoing,"Wow,thisguyreallyknowsit,"andjustwatchingthe20yearsprogression.That'swhyyourbookisworthreadingbecausenotonlyhaveyoubeendoingthisfor20yearsofcrackingnewnewshere,butyou'vealsobeentalkingtopeoplethatwholetime.It'snotjustyourknowledge.

Dr.JosephM.: Igetalotofcriticismforsellingthingsonthesite,butasyouknow,ittakessomething...Asyoualsoknowfromthebeginningof'97,wedidn'tsellanythingforthefirstfouryears.Iwasjustpayingforitoutofmypocketasapracticingphysician.Thenwerealizedthatdoesn'tscaleverywell,sowehadtosupportit.Thenthefirstthingwesoldwasacookbook,whichyoumadeawholefiveor$6on.Ididnotgointothisasanentrepreneurtoearnlargeamountsofmoney.

DaveAspey: It'sexactlythesamething.Bytheway,ifyouwanttocriticizesomeoneforsellingthings,here'sthedeal.Someone'swritingyouapaycheck,right?Eitherthat,ormommyanddaddygaveyoualotofmoney.Eitherthatoryou'rehomeless.That'sthewaytheworldworks.You'resubsistingoffsomethingthatwassoldaswell,soyouneedtodosomeself-reflectiononthis.MydealwasIwasaVPatapubliclytradedcompany.IwasheadofGlobalEvangelismwithstockoptionsandaquartermilliondollarayearsalary.IstartedablogbecausenoonetoldmethisstuffwhenIwas16yearsoldandIcould'veavoidedarthritisinmyknees,threekneesurgeries,obesity,brainfog,beingatotaljerkbecausemybrainwasn'tworking.

Allthatstuff,noonetoldme.IfItellfivepeopleandtheyonlyreadmyblog,Iwinkarmapoints.That'swhyIstartedBulletproof.ThenI'mlike,it'sexpensivetorunthisandit'stakingallmytime.Iwantcoffee.MaybeI'llmakethisspecialcoffeeandmaybesomeonewillbuyit.Idon'tknow.Loandbehold,nowIcanaffordamicrophoneandIcandrivedisruptionofbigfood.We'regoingtomakecornoneofthosethingslike,"Whatdowedowithallthatpoisonouscorn?Noonewantsitanymore."That'showbigitis.Yeah,thattakesmorethansixbucks.Sorry.

Dr.JosephM.: Wedoliveinthe21stcentury,whichisyougetitbetterthanmostpeoplebecauseofyourtechbackground,butyouunderstandthepowerandtheinfluenceoftheinternet.WearetrueDavids,youandIandalltheothers.That'swhyweneedtoaligntogetherandcollaboratebecausethey'reenormous,powerful,mind-blowingdeceptiveinfluencesthatareseekingtodeceivethegeneralpublicaboutthebasictruthsandfactsthroughespeciallyalotofastroturfingandfrontgroupsandeverythingthatthey'reusing.That'swhyourvoicesaresoimportanttogivepeoplethetruthandthelifesavingtruththatliterallycanturntheirentirelifearound.Yourbookiseverybitasimportantas


minewithrespecttoprovidingthedetailstheyneedtounderstandthetruthandapplyittotheirlifestylestoreapthesehealthbenefitsandtakecontroloftheirhealth.

DaveAspey: It'sfunnybecausehackersareultimatelyabouttakingcontrolofasystemthattheydon'tnecessarilyhavefullknowledgeof.OneofthereasonsthatIdecidedtocallthisbiohacking,thatIdidn'ttrademarktheterm,whichIcouldhaveorcopyrightedor[inaudible01:03:33]trademark.Iwantedanameforthecommunity.Ifyoulookatwhatrealcomputerhackers,myoldcyberpunkfriendsdo,EdwardSnowden.WejustreleasedahugetreasuretroveofhackingtoolsthattheCIAhasbeenusing.Thethinghackersdoistheyfindthetoolsthatotherswilluseagainstyouandtheyuseitagainstthem.That'swhyIcallithackingbecauseifweknowaboutthisandwe'reincharge,nooneelsecanfeedusstuffthatmakesusdumbinourdiet.

Thatwouldbecalledfluorideinourwater,bytheway.Youcan'tdothattousbecauseweknowaboutitandwehavethecontrol.Infact,wemightdoittoyoubecauseyoudon'tknowwhatwe'regoingtoputinyourwaterifyou'retryingtoputcrapinours.It'sabalanceofpowerthing.Idon'treallygointothepoliticssideofitthere,butpartofbeinghackeristhatitmeansyou'reawareofwhattoolscanbeusedagainstyousothatyoucanthenhavecountermeasures.

That'swhywhenIfly,Iwearmyspecialtruedarkglasses.That'swhyyouliveinaplacewhereyoudon'thaveexcessiveEMF.Wechooseourenvironmentbecausewe'reaware.Ifwe'reunaware,someoneelsewillchooseourenvironmentforusandeventuallythey'llchooseonethatmakesusweakbecausethatmakesthemmoremoney.It'snoteventheydoitonpurpose.It'sanemergentbehaviorthathappenswhenyou'refocusedonjustmakingabuck.I'llgetoffmysoapboxthere,butthat'swhyreadingthesebooksissoimportantbecausethenyouknow.

Dr.JosephM.: Informationispowerful,especiallyifyouapplyit.Noquestion.

DaveAspey: Let'ssee.Wehaveacouplemoreminutesinourinterview.There'ssomanydifferentthingsIwanttoaskyouabout.InFatforFuel,whataretheotherthingsbesideseatingfatthatstandoutmostformitochondrialtherapy?

Dr.JosephM.: Well,there'stwootherthings.AsIsaidearlier,thetwomostimportantonesarethefoodsthatyou'rechoosingandthenthelightexposure.Idon'tthinkIneedtobelaborthatbecauseyouraudiencereallyunderstandsit.Thenthird,andIthinkyoutalkaboutitsomewhat,butreallyhasbeenoneofmyfocusesandreallyoneoftheprimarymotivationsformetogointomedicalschoolwastoapplyexercisetherapytoimprovehealth.Unfortunately,ImadethemistakeofusingchroniccardioforalmostfourdecadesbeforeIrealizedthatstrengthtrainingandawholevarietyofothercomponentswerereallyunhealthy.MovementIthinkisthemoreaccuratecomponentandit'ssomethingthatyou


wanttointegratethroughoutyourentiredayisjustmovingasmuchaspossibleandnotsitting.

I'mstandingrightnow,butstandingisalmostasbadassittingifyou'renotmoving.Youwanttobreakitup.Thosewouldbesomeofthemorepowerfulthings,andgivingthetoolsthatpeopleneedtoactuallyimplementthisthing.Youcanhavetheknowledgeandunderstanding,butifyoudon'tknowhowtointegrateitandapplyit,it'sgoingtobechallenging.Inoticedinsomeofyourrecommendations,youjustprovidegeneralones,whichisfine.Wegetintodetails,likewhichglucosemeterdoyouneed?Wetellyoutheonethat's$7andit'sonly23centsastrip,soyoudon'thavetospendanarmandaleg,andhowtousetheketonicsinsteadoftheglucose.Theketonestripsare$4.Itrytomakethingsasleastcostlyaspossibleforpeopleinordertoimplementthem.

DaveAspey: Thatstandsoutinyourbook.I'malwaystornaboutthatbecauseI'mwritingbooksthatI'mhopingwillsellhundredsofthousandsofcopies.TheBulletproofdiet'shitaboutahalfamillion.It'sin10languages.NumberonebestsellerinJapan.

Dr.JosephM.: Ifit'shitahalfamillion,Headstrongshouldhitamillion.

DaveAspey: I'mhoping.That'sglobalsales,notAmericansales.

Dr.JosephM.: Itstillcounts.

DaveAspey: Yeah,itstillcounts.Itmeansthatsomeonereaditandithelpedthem.WhenIwenttoJapanwhereIdidn'tdoanymarketingandIsignedbooks,peoplewerecomingupandliftingtheirshirtstoshowmetheirsixpacksfromtheBulletproofdiet.InJapan,peoplearesoconservative.Ifeltreallygoodaboutthat.IwantHeadstrongandIwantFatforFueltobereadbyeveryone.TheconcernIhadisthatifIputsomethinginthereaboutaspecificketone,likeIusedtheAccu-Chekthing,butthey'llchangethemodelassoonasIpublishthebookandthenthebookbecomeslessuseful.ThatwaswhyIdidn'tdoit.Ijustputitonthewebsite.

Dr.JosephM.: That'swhyIneverwroteabookuntil2004becauseofthefearthatitwouldbecomeoutdatedrealrapidly.Throughoutthebook,atleastmystrategyistoencouragepeopletogotothesiteandsignupforthenewslettersotheygetthelatestinformationandwecanalwaysupdatethem.That'sthestrategythatweuse.

DaveAspey: Iimagineagoodnumberoflistenersareonyournewsletterbecauseyousendthatreliablenewseveryday.

Dr.JosephM.: That'sourgoal.[crosstalk01:08:16]todothat.


DaveAspey: Well,let'ssee.There'saquestion.IaskedyouthislasttimeandIbetyouranswerisdifferentthistime.

Dr.JosephM.: Yes,itis.

DaveAspey: Thequestionis,ifsomeonecametoyoutomorrow,Dr.Mercola,andtheysaid,"Look,IwanttoperformbetterateverysinglethingIdo,whatarethethreemostimportantthingsIneedtoknow,"whatwouldyoutellthemnow?

Dr.JosephM.: Well,it'scertainlymodifiedfromthelasttimeyouaskedmethisquestion.ThetwomostimportantI'veaddressedearlier,whichisthefoodthatyou'reeating.Payreallycarefulandcloseattentiontothequalityofthefoodtogetthemacronutrientcompositioncorrect,butalsotomakesureyou'reavoidinganyGMOproductsandanyglyphosate,whichisgoingtodecimateyourtightjunctionsandyourintestinalepitheliumandcauseawholesortofmetabolichavoc.Thatwouldbethefirstone.Thentopayreallycarefulattentiontoyourlightexposurestominimizetheartificiallightexposure,togetplentyofhealthylight,optimizeyourvitaminD,allthosethingsthatwebothknowandlovesowell.Thenforthird,it'sreallyhardtodescribeone.IthinkIwouldprobablymakethreechoicesforthethirdone,whichwouldbethemovementinexercise,whichwe'vetalkedabout.It'sabsolutelycrucial.YouprobablynowthatexerciseincreasesPGC1alpha,whichisthekeycriticalmetabolicsignaltoimprovemitochondrialbiogenesis.Thatisjustcrucial,ifyou'reinterestedinincreasingyourmitochondria.

DaveAspey: Seemsimportant.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah.Thenfollowingclosebehindissomethingnearandcleartoyourheart,whichistoxinexposure.Youwanttominimizeyourtoxinexposure.Ifyou'relivinginamoldyhouse,you'redoingthedietandtheexerciseandsleepingwell,you'renotgoingtogetbetter.Yougottogetridoftoxins,somoldsareimportant,butthere'sothersofcourse.There'snotenoughtimetogointothat.Thenwater.Ithinkwateriskey.Mostpeoplearecluelessbecausethey'vebeenmanipulatedbythedeceptivemedia,theythinkfluorideishealthy,andaswebothknow,it'sadielectricblockerandprobablyoneofthemostpernicioustoxinsamongmanyothersthatareinwater,suchaschlorideanddisinfectionbyproductsandarsenicandawholevarietyofpharmaceuticals.Youwanttohaveclean,healthywater.There'salotofwaystooptimizethat.Wetalkalotaboutthoseinthebook.ThosearethefivethatIwouldrecommend,butthetwomostimportantarefoodandphotobiology.

DaveAspey: Iloveitthatyouputlightthere.Fewguestshavesaidthat.Ibelievethatthey'reequallyimportant.Light'sadrug.

Dr.JosephM.: That'sinteresting.Ihaven'tfiguredouttherelativeimportanceofeach,butit'swayupthere.Iknowthey'rereallycloseandIdon'tknowenough.


DaveAspey: Itmightbe60/40.There'sequal[inaudible01:10:55]standarddeviationsoneitherside.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah,it'sreallyclose.It'sreallyclosetoeachother.Noquestion.

DaveAspey: Here'sthething.IfyougotoMcDonald'severydayandyou'reinthesunallthetime,you'restillnotgoingtolikeyourlife.I'msorry,ifyousupersizemewithatan,no.Sorry.Foodtrumpslightinthatcase,butthat'saprettyextremecase.You'vegotnohealthyfatbecauseit'salldamagefat.Ifyoumovethefoodintonotthatcrappyandthelightintoreallygood,youmightbeabletosubsist.Ittellyou,ifyounailthemboth,youhavethiswholecapacitythatis...

Dr.JosephM.: Energy.

DaveAspey: It'snotvisibletoyou.Youwon'tknowit'sthereuntilyoufeelitandyou'relike,"Oh,that'showIwanttofeel."YougetpeopletherewiththeadviceinFatforFuelandit'sjustworthreading.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah.Well,thankyouforyourkindwords.Appreciateit.

DaveAspey: You'rewelcome.Beforewego,Inormallyendonthatquestion,butwe'retalkingaboutglyphosateandthere'sissueswithGMOsinandofthemselves.Ithastodowithplasmid-levelgeneticdriftandthingslikethatthatI'mconcernedabout,andI'mmoreconcernedaboutglyphosate.We'vetalkedaboutthedisruptionofthelightingofthetightgapjunctions.There'ssomehumicacidliquidsyoucandrinkthathaveevidencethatshowthatthey'llhelpyouwiththat.Oneofthethingsthatconcernsmeisthatthere'sevidencethatglyphosatereplacesglycineincollagen.

Dr.JosephM.: That'swherethegly-inglyphosatecomesfrom,glycine.

DaveAspey: Exactly.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah,soit'sjustametabolicinhibitor.It'soneoftheworstthingsyoucandotoyourbodyisexposeyourself.We'redoingittobillionsofpoundsperyear.It'scrazy.

DaveAspey: Whatthatmeansisasyou'reformingconnectivetissue,yourfascia,whichcommunicatesinformationaroundyourbody,allowsyoutohaveflexibility,allowsyoutorecoverfrominjuries.Ifyou'reeatingevenbonebroththat'smadewithnon-organicbones,guesswhatyou'regettingalotof?You'regettingalotofthisandyourconnectivetissueswillbeelectricallyinsufficient,nottomentionfunctionallyinsufficient.Youshouldexpecttofeellikecrapwhenthathappens.That'ssomethingIwantedtocalloutforlisteners.It'snotjustthatitruinsyourdigestion.That'sjustwhereitstarts.We'vegottostopthat.Icantellyou,ifyourneighborsaresprayingRoundupontheirlawn,it'sanactofwar


againstyoubecauseit'snotjustontheirlawn.Theywouldbereallyannoyedifyoustartedsprayingpigmanureintotheirlawn.Iwouldn'tsuggestdoingthat.

Dr.JosephM.: Well,typicallytheywon'tsprayitonalawnbecauseit'stargetingforweedsiswhattheydo,maybeintheirdrivewayandstuff,butit'sstillaproblem.Mostlikely,ifthey'reanormalconsumer,they'regoingtobegettingmorefromthefoodtheyeatthan[inaudible01:13:43]whattheirneighborssprayinthedriveway.

DaveAspey: That'safairpoint.Iguessmyoldneighborsdidn'tlikemowingtheirlawn.Theyjustsprayedtheirwholeyardwithitaroundeverythreemonths.Drovemenuts.

Dr.JosephM.: That'sunusual.

DaveAspey: I'mlike,"Guys,Ihavekids.Youcan'tdothat."They'relike,"Wehavekidstoo,"andthenthey'rehavingbonemarrowproblemsorwhatever.Youcanonlydosomuch.Dr.Mercola,it'sbeenapleasuretohaveyouonforthesecondtime.I'mreallylookingforwardtohavingyouattheBulletproofconference.Forlisteners,ifyoulikewhatDr.Mercolahadtosay,youshouldcomethisfall.It'sSeptember-OctoberBulletproofconference.comandregisterandcomehereatDr.Mercola'skeynote.It'llbestuffyouhaven'theardbefore.That'shardtodobecauseweputeverythingIknowoutthere.It'llbealotoffun.

Dr.JosephM.: I'mcurrently,basedonthediscussionwithyourMC,thinkingaboutdoingallmybiohacks,especiallyonesthatyouhaven'tmentionedinyourbooksalready.

DaveAspey: Oh,veryfun.Peoplewouldjustlovetohearthat.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah.

DaveAspey: Awesome.Well,thanks,Dr.Mercola.PeoplecanfindoutmoreatMercola.com.You'vegotanewsletterandthenameofyourbookisFatforFuel.IfyouliketheBulletproofstuff,you'regoingtolikeDr.Mercola'sbook,soit'sdefinitelyworthyourtimetoreadit.Whileyou'reatit,Iwouldnotbeoffendedifyouwentouttoorderheadstrong.comandpre-orderthebookbecauseithelps.Bytheway,isyourpublicationdate,it'salreadyout,right?

Dr.JosephM.: No,no.It'sMay16.

DaveAspey: May.Okay,cool.

Dr.JosephM.: Wehaveawebsite,fatforfuel.org,wheretheycangetafewspecialbonuses.Theycan'tbuyitonthesite,sowedon'tsellitdirectly,buttheycanpurchaseitandshowproofofpurchaseandthenwegivethemsomevideosandotherthings.


DaveAspey: Oh,samesortofthingthat[inaudible01:15:26]overHeadstrong,andsofatforfuel.org.Youcanheadonoverthere.It'sthesamething.Dr.MercolaandIbothhavethesamedesires.Ifyouorderourbooksbeforetheygoout,itmakeseverythingeasierforthewholegettingbookstotherightbookstoresandallthat.Ifthisissomethingyou'regoingtodo,don'tpostponeitbecausethenessentiallyit'slikenottippingthewaiter.Whenyoupre-order,you'regivingusatipandwegiveyouafreestuff.

Dr.JosephM.: [crosstalk01:15:51]prettywell.Thebooksbeeninthetop10ofallbooksonAmazonforthelastfewdays,whichisprettycool.

DaveAspey: Welldone.

Dr.JosephM.: It'stwomonthsout.

DaveAspey: Verywelldone.Ithinkwe'vehittop50withHeadstrong,butnottop10,sogoodwork.

Dr.JosephM.: Yeah,sohopefullyit'llbenumberone.Ithinkthesearebothgoingtobesomeofthemostimportantbooksthisyearbecausethey'readdressingfoundationalcoreissuesthatweneedtohelprestorehealthandtohelptakecontrolofit.

DaveAspey: It'llhappen.Youheardit,everyone.ReadDr.Mercola'sbookandreaditnowinsteadoflater,atleastorderitnowinsteadoflater.Allright.We'lltalksoon.

Dr.JosephM.: Okay.

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