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ob Dean : The Coming of Nibiru

hoenix, Arizona, September 2008

ob Dean: Some of our remote viewers have concluded that, yes, its going to happen this time, that we andwill be on the same side of the sun at the same time. And if the remote viewer... And theyre getting theirwn information from ETs, from sources within the U.S. government that tell me that, yes, they are deeplyoncerned about it. And theyre worried sick about it. And they dont know what to do about it.

What could the government or anyone else tell you? What could they say to you? Would they tell you:rab your hat? Dig a hole? Hang on!?

He says: Oh, it seems to be a rather nice planet, and we know about it, and all we need to do is name it.nd then, bless his heart... You know, hed never had a heart problem, but within a year he was dead with aeart attack.

Incredible race of humans... does have a future. And it is in the stars. And we are going out there to reclaimur rightful place.

Its kind of amusing considering that the last time we met, I told you it was to be my last interview and heream again. And, you know, how can I explain that?

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erry Cassidy: We have gotten the most incredible response to your interview. I have to say its actually beene most popular of all our interviews...

D: Thats nice to hear.

C: ... and I think that there is a reason for that.

D: Well, thank you.

C: I think that in many ways you put yourself on the line, and you actually embody the curiosity that was,

ke, rampant in all of us. And you did it at a time when... and in the military, no less. And you broke rules, andou kind of stuck it out. Youre just... Youre like...Youre just... I dont know... a one-man disclosure project, asr as Im concerned.

D: Well, thank you, Kerry. Thats very kind of you to say that. But let me explain something. I was a normaluman being for a big portion of my life. You know, I was a career military, no-nonsense kind. I wore a crewut. When I learned what I learned in 1963, 64, 65, it changed my life. It changed my way of thinking. And Iecame obsessed with what I had learned. And, over the years, Ive learned so much more.

nd as I may have mentioned to you earlier, I learned a little bit; I wanted more. You know, talk about anddiction! When you start learning some things about a subject that is so profound... The more I learned, the

ore I wanted to know, and the more I wanted to know, the more I learned, and the more I learned, the morebsessed I became, and...

ou talk about losing your paradigm. My old paradigm literally crumbled around my knees. You know, theorld that I thought I lived in, I learned was not the world that I lived in. And the reality that I looked aroundnd thought I saw was not the reality that exists, that much of what we see is an illusion. Its a result of ourwn illusions.


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We... we humans sometimes, rather than face reality, we create a little world of our own. You know, we get upnd go to work. We raise the kids. We buy a house. Buy a car. Take a vacation. Go on about our lives. Try toave money, put a little in the bank for the kids college. And live a normal life.

nd then I learned that theres no such thing as a normal life, that the world that exists is not at all what weink it is. And the more I learned... As I said, my old paradigm crashed around my knees, and... [sighs]

m sitting here in front of you as a human wreck, you might say, you know, as to what I used to be. Because Ived in a world that was kind of cut and dried. Oh, you know, do this, do that... You pay your bills, you... Its

ot that way at all!

C: Well, lets cut to the chase here, because you have come forward. Actually, you contacted us, Im goingsay, and said youve got something new to say. Youve got something new to tell the people. And I know

oure going to be speaking at the Bay Area Conference. And this is amazing.

nd lets find out what is it thats new. What is it that youre willing to...

D: You want me to divulge to you my great revelations which Im planning to speak about at theonference, right?

C: Absolutely! [Bob laughs] And you know, this video will not be edited and out there before the conference,o you dont have to worry that were going to ruin it for the viewers at the conference.

D: Well, there are lots of little tidbits that are kind of interesting to me. I assume, I hope, theyll beteresting to the people at San Jose.

s been my experience that the people who attend those conferences are pretty wide open, open-minded.s I jokingly used to say, when I speak there, its like preaching to the choir, you know. Because theyre afferent group of people.

give you a tiny tidbit which I found interesting. As you perhaps have understood, I have been a member of

hat we used to jokingly call The Old Boys' Network. Ive been a member of it for over 40 years. And whene created this group, it was made up of military types, primarily, all ranks, all services. And we even had aouple of cosmonauts who were connected with this, who were providing information.

Well, over the years, the old boys have shared information with each other, because weve had a variety ofssignments and jobs in the military. We had a couple of admirals. We had a general, and two cosmonauts.

We had innumerable colonels and command sergeant majors and people from all walks, everywhere, whorovided information we used to share with each other.

nd some of us have been in very sensitive positions and had access to very highly classified material. Andeve been very open about sharing that with others, which kind of kept us going for a long, long time.

here arent a hell of a lot of us left. The last time I... Originally, there was roughly about 150 members of thisroup, and today theres probably not more than a dozen left.

We lost a good one. You know, Graham Bethune died here, about a year ago. And Graham was a retiredavy Commander who was a dear man who had some very sensitive information he used to share with us.

ut, as I point out, we shared among ourselves. And then a few of us came out blatantly, purposely, andarted sharing what we had learned with the public. Frankly, I never thought I was going to to get away withI thought that they were going to stomp on me, and you know, eliminate me, or whatever.

here was even rumors, for Gods sake, that they were going to call me back to active duty and court martiale! [Kerry laughs] You know. Well, Im going to be 80 at my next birthday, so I dont think they want to call meack to active duty. You know, I could have an accident...

ut, I think why I am getting away with what I am getting away with, so to speak -- where I am releasing bitsnd pieces of this cover-up -- is that theres somebody back there somewhere who wants me to do what Imoing. Or I would not have been able to do this.


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ut let me give you a tiny tidbit of bits and pieces that come from The Old Boys Network: There is anrganization called the National Reconnaissance Office. Youve probably heard of them.

C: Absolutely.

D: A very super-secret group, a super-secret group among super-secret groups. God, weve got so damnany groups now.

s I used to jokingly say, when poor old Ike left office, he tried to tell us about the military-industrial complex?

Well, its a triad now. Its not just the military and industry. Its the national security agencies as well. So, if heould see it today, hed be shocked even more. Of course, Im sure hes alive and well somewhere, probablyoking down and chuckling.

ut, we are a triad now: The super-secret agencies with the military and the industries. Its all like this. [claspsands together]

ut, anyhow, there are people who I think want this out. Weve known for years that among the in crowd...hoever the hell they are, and no one really has ever been able to put our finger on it. Weve been able torab a couple of em from the old Magi Group. The Wise Men, they called themselves... the Magi. Youveeard them referred to as the Majestic Twelve. Well, they are a lot more than twelve now.

nyhow, Im getting away with sharing bits and pieces and tidbits which intrigue me because I thinkomebody wants some of this out.

ut the story I was going to share with you is that... In the National Reconnaissance Office, about, I guessur or five years now, they had for a number of years a series of satellites called the Keyhole System. Have

ou heard of it?

C: Ah, yes.

D: Keyhole. It was super-secret and probably the very best satellite system in the world. Well, theyve

robably made it even better now. They could supposedly read a postage stamp from space.

Well, there were some intriguing questions being raised by a number of people about what was known as therarat Anomaly. Are you familiar with the Ararat Anomaly?

ll Ryan: Mount Ararat. Noahs Ark.

C: OK.

D: And so, the guys in the NRO took their Keyhole system and focused on the Ararat Anomaly, which is,ou know, a puzzle. Well, when the word got out, when the pictures were finally down-loaded and they

omputerized and enhanced them and cleaned them up, and they pushed them on the wall or they broadcastem on the wall there at NRO, the remarks went something like this -- and these are actual quotes: Jesushrist, its a god-damn boat! Christ! Its a big boat!

K. One would say: Why would something like that be so highly classified that it is way above top secret?Why would the discovery of a boat on Mount Ararat be classified so far above, you know... anything?

nyhow, the story comes out. The reason they classified it is because, after they discovered that it is a god-amn boat, a big god-damn boat, they inserted a team of SEALs on the site. Thats a term that the militaryses to put a bunch of guys on a scene.

C: Right.

D: Apparently they dropped them by aircraft. They parachuted down, a dozen of them or so. They insertedem onto the scene and these guys spent several days in this god-damn boat. And then they extracted themy helicopters.

nd when they extracted them, the guys brought with them some anomalous artifacts which have never


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een described or named. But those anomalous artifacts is what led to this whole thing being classified notnly Top Secret, but the way the hell above.

nd thats a little bit of information thats come out via the network of the Old Boys.

C: So are you saying this is Noahs Ark?

D: No one knows what it is. It was originally the Ararat Anomaly, but then they discovered that it was agantic boat, apparently, and...

C: But a boat built by humans?

D: Well, it appears to be. Its essentially, from what they gathered, wood. But, its a work of genius,pparently. It was intricately put together, and its really...

And its survived all these years.

D: Well, apparently. The question, how many years? You know... when was the flood? The last rumor Ieard had that it was 12,000 years ago: 10,500 BC.

C: When are they saying? I mean, Im sure you have a theory.

D: Well, the religious implications of it, you see. You know, every ancient culture on the planet has a similaradition about a flood, and Im sure there were many Noahs, so to speak, wherever.

ut the idea that this particular thing is so theologically sensitive that some yo-yo back there at NRO decidedclassify it... And then they sent the SEALs in and the SEALs brought back artifacts. Well, there you are,

ou see!

What could they have possibly found in this big wreck that is so sensitive? The question arises. I dont knowe answer to that. Hopefully, if the Old Boys still stays alive a few years, we might find out.

ind that interesting and I share it with people because it gives you an insight into that bunch of nitwits backere that classify everything! [Kerry laughs]

C: Bill, go ahead with your question about Mount Ararat. And then were going to move on from there.

R: I think it was Charles Berlitz who wrote a book which was called The Lost Ship of Noah. And heublished a bunch of photographs -- these photographs are on the internet -- of something that looks like ahip on Ararat. And there are two versions of this, from what Ive heard. One is fairly low down, and which isn enormous thing that looks like a whole lot of ships timbers.

nd there are persistent reports of another object thats much higher up, way above the snow line, quite close

the summit. And I wonder if you could say which of these, if either, has been picked up by the Keyholeatellites and analyzed? And when the SEALs were inserted, did they carbon-date the wood?

D: Oh, Im sure they must have. But I havent got any information on that.

y guess is, Bill, that the SEALs were inserted on the one toward the top, above the snow line. Thats thedication that I got, that that was the one that... They went in, they landed, they dropped, they parachuted innd spent a number of days up there, apparently.

ut what they brought back in terms of anomalous artifacts is the thing that intrigued me. Why would theyassify it so far above Top Secret?

ut that bunch of nitwits back there.... And Ive known some of them over the years; Ive worked with some ofem. And I think they are a bunch of damn nitwits! You know, there is no damn reason why theyve classified

o much.

C: What year was this when the SEALs were sent in?


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D: About five years ago, from what I can gather.

C: Really?

D: Yes.

C: Thats bizarre.

D: Well, the Keyhole program was really big in the late 90s. Now, Im sure theyve got satellite programsat are even better now. Weve got civilian programs that are so damn good that the Department of Defense

ll often go to the civilian contractors and buy photographs taken by civilian satellites that are outstanding.

o it leads you to suspect, maybe, what...how much better could be some of our DoD satellites.

Right.

D: You know, they have classified Lake Vostok. They took it away from JPL who was monitoring it and, younow, with satellites and all... Are you familiar with Lake Vostok in Antarctica?

C: No.

D: Oh, God, thats a sensitive story in itself!

nder the ice in Antarctica there is a fresh-water lake deep, deep down under the ice, thats 100 miles longnd 50 miles wide. Fresh water. The temperature in the damn lake is about 65 degrees, which is pleasantwimming, you might say.

ut at the end of Lake Vostok is whats known as a gigantic masscon -- a mass concentration of metal, verymilar to the masscons they discovered on the Moon -- a gigantic, circular-shaped, metallic object deepnder the ice at the end of Lake Vostok.

ghly classified. JPL had it. The National Security Agency took it away from JPL. Its one of the most

ensitive things in the world now, as to what is the anomaly at the end of the lake -- the mass con -- the massoncentration that is so easily picked up by satellite? Another top secret, you know?

C: Mm hm.

D: But the common folk, youre not supposed to know that.

C: Right.

D: Why? Well, you cant handle it, you see. The implications of it are just too vast.

C: Well, tell me this: Do the Chinese know it?

D: Oh, Im sure they do. As you may know, the Chinese now have gone into space in a big way. It neverets into the newspaper, but the last I heard, the Chinese have a satellite orbiting the Moon, taking lots ofctures.

Well, Im hoping that the Chinese publish a lot of those pictures, because our own NASA people took many,any pictures. The Army took thousands of pictures under the Clementine Project. Are you familiar withementine?

C: Ive heard of it.

D: It was not a NASA program. It was an Army program, Department of Defense. They took thousands ofctures. Theyve only released a dozen or so. They took pictures all around the Moon, back side, bottom,p, everywhere.

C: Well, are you in touch with Richard Hoagland?


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D: I know Richard. Hes a good friend.

C: OK. So you know some of his recent research.

D: Ah, well, I read his recent book, which is dynamite.

C: Uh huh. OK. So, you know about the Secret Space Program.

D: Oh, yes.

C: And you know about the von Braun and the Nazis and whats been carried over to the U.S. politicalystem.

D: Oh, yes. Its bigger than that. Its much bigger.

C: OK. But when I raised up Richard Hoaglands information and the stuff that hes been bringing forwardbout von Braun, the Nazis, you know, Paperclip... and youre saying its much beyond that.

D: It is.

C: So where are we going with that?

D: Our original space program was all a product of the Nazi party. Without von Braun and his crew and theaperclip program, I dont think we would have gotten to the Moon when we did, or we certainly wouldntave beaten the Russians. Because the Russians grabbed their crowd... they also went into Germany andrabbed a bunch of scientists.

nd the Russians have a tremendous scientific program of their own. You know, they didnt need Nazicientists. They would have eventually done it on their own anyhow.

ut one of the biggest secrets of all is the Secret Space Program, the fact that NASA is... Its like Blue Booksed to be. I think its a public relations front.

C: Right. Yes.

D: Blue Book never handled the real good stuff. And everybody knew that, except the common folk outere who were diddled regularly and never told the truth about anything.

ut the big secret seems to have been for so long, is: Why are we keeping classified the enormous facilitiesn the Moon? And theyre not ours.

C: Whose are they?

D: Well, thats a good question. I can tell you flatly who they are.

C: OK.

D: Are you familiar with the term Anunnaki?

C: Absolutely.

D: All right. Well, you really have to understand Zecharia Sitchins work to really grasp where we standday in relationship with this group of intelligences. And, Im not speaking of one. There are several. The last

heard, there were four different groups we were relating with. The Anunnaki are one. And there are others.

C: OK. I mean, this is very interesting. Can you describe the Anunnaki that you... First of all, have you hadxposure to them face-to-face?

D: Me?

C: Yes.


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D: Yes, I have met some face-to-face. Now, whether they were the Anunnaki, I dont know.

C: OK, well...

D: The ones Ive met face-to-face were typically human.

C: Typically human.

D: I mean, they put on a suit and tie, a dress, blue jeans, T-shirt...

C: OK.

D: ...walk in our midst, and you would never know.

C: And they werent nine feet tall, or higher?

D: No. The ones Ive met and the ones Ive seen aboard the ships are not that big at all. Theyre just likes.

C: Uh huh.

D: So, were dealing with four different groups that Ive concluded -- my own personal view.

C: OK.

D: You might talk to Jim Sparks and he might tell you there are eight, or ten, or a dozen more. I dont know.can only tell you what little bit Ive learned over the years.

here are four different groups that Ive encountered, and they are all humanoid. One group is completelyuman. And not all of the Anunnaki are nine feet tall. They were human enough that we are related to them,nd theyre related to us.

nd that lovely little story in Chapter Six of Genesis is quite true. They did, indeed, engineer the genes andhromosomes of an existing species on this planet... God knows how long ago. Sitchin says it was 200,000ears.

he information I have learned indicates one of the major tweakings took place about 60,000 years ago, thatomo sapiens sapiens were tweaked and genetically manipulated even more. So, were coming along slowly.

C: OK, so what four races? Lets name em, in your opinion.

D: Well, there are the humans.

C: OK.

D: Some people call them the Nordics. Then you have guys that are very pale, and very tall, and veryroad...

C: Uh huh.

D: ... which some people refer to as the big whites.

C: OK.

D: And then you have the little guys.

C: The Grays? And then the Anunnaki. So those are the four youre familiar with.

D: And not all of the Grays are an evolved species. Some of them appear to be... What is the term theysed to use? They were an artificial life form.


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C: Androids?

D: Yes, they were humanoid androids, but they were constructed. Theyre laboratory products. And theyten wondered why, in cases of crashes where there were survivors, that some of them didnt come backnd try to retrieve.

nd the story that came out among the military for many years was that they wrote em off! They went backnd made more.

ow, there are some people who say, Well, they dont have a soul. Well, Ive run into human beings that Iegin to wonder whether they had a soul. [Kerry laughs]ut...

C: OK. So...

D: There are two types of Grays, from what Ive learned. There are the little guys who appear to beboratory products. And then there are the six-foot Grays whose eyes are more round. And theyre not reallyay. Theyre just sort of a chalky, off-white color.

C: Mm hm.

D: And they seem to be an evolved race all of their own. And I think those are the ones that probably ranto Betty Hill and Barney at the incident many years ago.

C: Have you heard about Dan Burisch talking about the Orions? Theyre sitting in ships, along with theilitary, actually watching the planet right now?

D: Ive heard bits and pieces of that. I dont know too much about Dans story. Hes come out with a greatany things.

C: OK. But this is just new information that he has actually come forward with.

D: Well...

C: And theyre watching the planet to see what happens, and whether or not we have a catastrophe of anynd...

D: We have got...

C: ...and whether they might have to step in.

D: We have photographs, and many of them Im going to share at the show. I have slides, and

hotographs, of gigantic objects. Im talking about humongous objects in space! And many of them areatellites in their orbit around the planet. Many of them are in orbit around the Moon, around Mars.

have a couple of pictures that Im going to share that I got from a Soviet cosmonaut on what happened withe Phobos thing.

he Russians... you know, their famous Phobos rocket system that they sent up there some years backhich got knocked out of orbit by an anomalous object that came up from the surface. But, it took... It hadken a number of outstanding photographs before it was damaged and crashed.

C: OK. What... Well, you called it an anomalous, I dont know, object that came up from the surface.

eaning the surface of the Moon?

D: Mars.

C: Or from the Earth?

D: Yes.


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C: OK.

D: No, the Phobos program was sent to Mars because they had hoped to land a lander on the satellitehobos.

C: Right.

D: There are two circling Mars which are anomalous. Again, that fantastic word: anomalous. Astronomersonsider them anomalous because, first of all, theyre going in the wrong direction for a natural satellite,

hatever that means.

heyre too small to be natural satellites, and theyre too close to the surface of Mars to have survivedecause, if they were natural, they would long ago have been brought down, sucked in by gravity, andashed. The fact that theyre still there puzzles everybody.

o the Russians said: Were going to land on Phobos. Its about twelve miles in diameter. I think Deimos isnly about six or seven. And they were going to take some pictures on the surface. Well, you know,pparently the intelligences up there decided, No, youre not going to do that, and bumped Phobos -- theatellite that the Soviets sent up -- knocked it out of orbit, and it crashed, apparently.

C: But theyve been doing that to the JPL craft going up and around Mars for years now.

D: There is an intelligence on Mars that wants to limit our access to their reality. And theyve done a damnretty good job of it.

C: Well, our witness, Henry Deacon... and I dont know if youre familiar with him.

D: Im familiar with him. I dont know him well.

C: OK. He has said that the Anunnaki are on Mars... in bases.

D: They are. I agree with that.

C: So, are they the ones shooting down those objects? You know, the various craft from JPL, and so on?

D: Probably... Look, Zecharia has said... And, I know this old man; I respect him tremendously. Ah... heays they never left. They withdrew overtly from their activities on the planet with us, but their activities haveontinued covertly both on Earth, the Moon, and Mars.

nd from the knowledge I have and the limited amount of information Ive been able to get, the primary focus,e primary intelligence behind all of this, are the Anunnaki, the same group that genetically engineered us soany thousands of years ago.

C: OK. But youve got Enki and Enlil, right? And these are warring brothers, and one is working for theositive side of humanity and the other...

D: Well, you have this dysfunctional family. They even went to war with each other, and man was in theiddle, as he always has been. You know, we were a product of their engineering. They engineered us as aave species. They engineered us to work for them.

C: But arent they still at war?

D: Apparently, there is still... and some of our remote viewers... and I know a few of them... Ive done a little

it myself, and, believe me, it works. Ive been accused of being guilty of front-loading, so to speak, becausehen I want to look at something, I know what I want to look at.

he military originally trained their guys to not know what they were looking for, and then they would down-ad, you know, compare and such.

C: Right.


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D: But, when I want to look at something, I know exactly what I want to look at. One of the greatest, ofourse, is Ingo Swann.

C: Oh, absolutely.

D: Oh, a tremendous guy! What an intellect that guy is!

C: Oh, incredible. Were dying to interview him. Do you know him?

D: He and I have corresponded. Yes. I wrote a nice article about him one time years ago, and he wrote meletter and thanked me for it and told me he appreciated it a lot.

C: Lovely. Yes.

D: But he is a rare man. Hes a rare intellect. Not only is he probably the best remote viewer weve everad, perhaps, other than Pat Price, that... Ingos come up with stuff on the Moon that... Youd have to read hisook.

C: Actually, I have.

D: Penetration. Its dynamite.

C: And its hard to get ahold of, I understand.

D: Yes. It should be re-issued because itd sell like hot cakes.

C: Absolutely.

D: I spoke about it on Coast-to-Coast a couple of times with Art Bell, and apparently it became so damn hotat, you know, you cant find a copy... two or three hundred dollars each, if you can find one.

C: Yes, well I have... I dont know if I still have it, but I had one.

D: Well, hold onto it. Its gold.

C: Uh huh.

D: But Ingo is gold, himself.

C: OK. But lets kind of move back to the question, because I want to get, sort of, drilled down to thisnswer. So theyre still at war?

D: They still have a difference of opinion about us. Now, whether Enlil and...

C: Enki.

D: Ea... Enki... He goes by two names. Whether they still are alive or not... With the genetic geniuses thatey have been, that they are, they can genetically manipulate... You know, they ingeniously geneticallyanipulated their ownchromosomes, DNA, till they literally have become practically immortal.

ow, I wouldnt be a bit surprised if Enki and Enlil may still be alive. Maybe theyre running around with aane, like I do, [Kerry laughs] grunting and groaning. You know, theyve got the great-great-grandkids doinge running and... I dont know that, and Im sure that no one else does.

ut, apparently the factions are still divided, and the one side wants to use us as they always did. And theher side wants to give us the opportunity to be our own species, to chart our own future, and to call... you

now, to determine our own lives. And there apparently has been this difference of opinion going on.

C: So, when we get back to the national security state, and the state of the U.S. right here and now... Iean, youre an ex-military. I hardly want to call you ex because I think youre, in some ways, probably still


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onsulted here and there. You know, were about to go to war with Iran...

D: No, were not.

C: Whats youre perspective on this? Were not?

D: No, were not.

C: OK.

D: And thats my opinion, for whatever its worth, you know.

C: Sure.

D: I have a half-penny in my pocket... I dont believe that were going to have a nuclear war because I dontink the custodians will allow it. The planet is too valuable. Its too rich a reservoir of life. Not only theumans that are here on this planet, but all the other creatures. This planet is an absolute cornucopia ofeautiful, beautiful forms of life. And, not only that, but the... What is it? The fauna and the... whats the otherrm?

C: The flora?

D: The flora! The flora is infinite, almost. No, the planets too valuable.

C: OK.

D: Theyve got a lot invested in planet Earth and theyre not about to let it go to a nuclear war, because theyave the power to see that it does not happen.

nd I want to tell you something else. Youve heard this old rumor about the Prime Directive?

C: Mm hm.

D: Bullshit! It doesnt exist. [Kerry laughs]

C: Right. OK.

D: They have been interfering here, breaking the so-called Prime Directive, over centuries, thousands ofmes. They have been interfering, according to our historical records, back to ancient Greece. They probablyad a hand in that damn dust-up at Troy. You know, they took sides. There were even rumors in Homersports that the gods themselves came down and took sides and played in the game. To them, its a game.

C: Right. Well, the Bhagavad Gita, if youre familiar with it... I mean they go into...

D: There you are... filled with it. The Vedas are filled with it, you see.

C: Absolutely.

D: Richard Thompson is a genius. Hes written a book about it. Alien Identities its called.

C: OK. Ill take a look.

D: You ought to read it if you get a chance. Richard Thompson

C: Yes, Id love to.

D: He helped...

C: OK. Im going to change gears.

D: He worked with Cremo on the...


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C: Oh, really.

D: Yes. They jointly wrote that book on The Hidden History of the Human Race.

C: Oh, OK.

D: Cremo and Thompson wrote that. Well, Richard wrote a book of his own called Alien Identities and itsed with Vedic facts which you would enjoy.

C: Yes.

D: But the historys pretty clear. Theyve intervened over the centuries again, and again, and again,herever it seemed appropriate to their benefit on their behalf.

C: OK, but...

D: Theyve gotten in our wars. Theyve messed around in that whole mess.

C: OK, but what about Planet X?

D: Oh, its a reality.

C: Yes?

D: Yes.

C: So what are they going to do about that?

D: Well, apparently they are concerned about... You know the story. According to Sitchin and according toe Sumerians, its a reality. Well, our astronomers apparently have concluded that it is indeed a reality.

or almost a century, astronomers have been concerned and interested about what they called an intruderat seems to come and go from time to time. And, they can measure it by the perturbations and the effectsn other planets.

heyve known of its existence for a long time, but theyve never gone public about it. Well, in the early 80s,e JPL... The guys at ...

C: Jet Propulsion Lab.

D: Jet Propulsion... We used to call it the Jack Parsons Laboratory, which I think is probably where theriginal JPL came from.

C: Yes.

D: Because Jack Parsons established it. Anyhow, they sent out a couple of Pioneers satellites -- back in2, just to try to determine if there was some truth to it. And the Pioneers apparently came back with datahich said not only Yes, but Hell, Yes! And the Pioneers concluded... the Pioneer satellite data concluded.

o, wow! Astronomers were troubled by that. Whew! Could this thing be real? Well, and what did they do?hey sent out what they call an infrared astronomical satellite. I think they called it IRAS. And this was done83. They sent the IRAS out, taking infrared pictures all around the ecliptic, above and below.

nd apparently IRAS got two giant, positive responses that yes, the twelfth planet, the tenth planet, howeverou want to call it... yes, its real. And thats when the lid slammed down.

C: So its out there. Its on its way back in, right?

D: According to the Sumerians and Sitchin, apparently it is. And if you are a student of history as I -- one ofy majors -- its last pass was 1600 BC. The Sumerians, and Sitchin, and all of those say it has an orbit of


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600 years.

C: Mm hm.

D: So, like many of us, you know, I count on my fingers and toes and figure out... Well, 1600 BC. It has anbit of 3600 years. Wow! Its due! Well, apparently, it is. Now.

C: So why are they keeping this a secret?

D: Because...

C: Because youre an expert on secrets.

D: Listen [sighs]... Every time Nibiru would make a pass, it was not always devastating. It would depend onhether the planet Earth and Nibiru were on the same side of the Sun at the same time. And if we were one same side of the Sun at the same time, all hell would break loose on planet Earth.

Well, apparently the last pass triggered the explosion of Santorini. Thera, the volcano in the Mediterranean,e Aegean Sea, blew its top, brought to a close the great, great Minoan civilization, among other things.

affected Egypt. Its all in the records, apparently. There are even historians and theologians who say that

antorinis explosion is exactly what youre reading about when the plagues and all hit Egypt, and allowedoses to get the Israelites out.

ut if you look at 1600 BC and figure... and that was the relatively recent past. Its due now, and apparentlye guys in the astronomical observatories know it. And that, again, is Above Top Secret.

et me give you a tiny example: A number of years ago, there were two brilliant guys working at the Navalbservatory in Washington. Tom Van Flandern is one, who I hope youve interviewed.

C: No, but please continue. Wed love to do that.

D: Hes no longer with the Naval Observatory. The other one was the Chief Astronomer at the Observatory,brilliant man by the name of Robert Harrington.

C: Right.

D: And Harrington gave an interview to Zecharia Sitchin a number of years ago, I think it was 91 or so,here he came right out and said:

r. Sitchin, we are interested in this because it ties in perfectly with the work youve done on the Sumeriansnd the ancient planet Nibiru. He said: Weve found it. Its real. We have photographs of it. And, he says, fromhat we can put together, its a rather nice planet.

s about two and a half times the size of the Earth. Apparently its heading toward the system, the center ofe system. Weve concluded about everything about it, except that we havent named it.

nd Zecharia spoke up and he said: Its already been named. He said: You simply call it Nibiru, as theumerians called it... The Planet of the Crossing.

C: Mm hmm

C: Well, Mrs. Sitchin and I were in agreement. I miss her. She died about a year ago. She was convincedat Robert Harrington had died because somebody bumped him off because he had the courage to come

ut and give Zecharia this interview.

dont know whether youve seen it or not. Its on tape.

C: No, I havent seen it, but we interviewed Luca Scantamburlo about this subject and hes also talkedbout Robert Harrington.


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D: Yes. Well, Harrington gave the interview to Zecharia, and its on a video called Are We Alone? And Iink you can pick it up at the conference here next week.

C: OK.

D: I have a copy. And I sent a copy to Neil Freer, whos a man you should interview.

C: OK. Well, were in touch with Neil. Hes a very interesting guy. Hes a brilliant guy.

D: Hes brilliant. He just recently came out and admitted that hes had an intimate inter-relationship with

xtraterrestrial intelligence since he was a child.

C: Well, hes always talking about the Anunnaki. I do know this.

D: Well, he wrote a book called Breaking the God Spell. And he has supported Zecharias work for years.

R: I have a question, Bob, if I may, about the provenance of this information, in the sense that Zechariatchins work is very well documented, and a lot of people watching this video will be very familiar with his

ooks and with all the intelligent commentary about that.

re you saying you have additional information based on your contacts within the Old Boys Network? Or are

ou doing a neat presentation of...?

D: Many of my conclusions are my own, you know, and they, in many respects, correlate perfectly withtchins work which is... You know, Neil has told me... He says, you know, Zecharia really should get theobel Prize. But I dont know what they would grant it to him, in what field. But hes such an outstandingcholar in what hes done and with his...The Earth Chronicles is what he calls all of his work. I think there areeven or eight of them now.

R: I have two questions. One is a minor one to do with celestial mechanics. And its just something that Iveever understood. And Ive heard this from... Ive heard this question from many other people, as well... that ifbiru comes from the outer reaches of the solar system, its going to be an icy rock, which isnt going to be

e kind of place that any beings could live on, or would want to live on.

nd researcher Andy Lloyd, who you have probably heard about, has theorized that what theyre seeing ine photographs that you refer to as an orange object is actually a Brown Dwarf, with the possibility of Nibirueing one of its moons, if you like.

nd theres a lot of debate about how to apply what Sitchin seems to have been saying to the realracticalities of life on an icy rock out in the orbit of Pluto. And I wondered if you knew, or had anything to saybout that.

D: No, its not an icy rock. And yes, when it makes its long journey out and back, it gets so far away from

e sun that the sun is probably no more than a little tiny prick of light, a little tiny pinpoint. And you wouldink that it would be naturally icy cold.

o, it ... Apparently the planet, like many planets in the system here, generates its own heat. It has in its coregenerating heat system very much like our own.

We have a system within the core of this planet that is a... that has been described as a thermonuclearaction, very similar to the sun. Now, most of the life and all of the bounty and all of the beauty of life on thisanet comes from our going around this beautiful sun.

ut I dont think Nibiru is an icy rock. No. I think, first of all, that it probably generates enough of its own heat,

nd I think they probably did, indeed, create for themselves, with the advanced technology that they have, and of a Dyson sphere. Are you familiar with that?

R: Mm hm.

D: You know what, the brilliant British astronomer, I think, Freeman Dyson, said some years ago that ancredibly advanced technology will have the ability to enclose its planet and retain not only its heat, but its


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mosphere. And I suspect that the Anunnaki have done that to Nibiru. And they probably did it... Good Lord...undreds or thousands or maybe a million years ago.

o the planet... I think the color from it, the dull red-golden color, is a result of that envelope of gold shell thateyve created. Theyve created for themselves a Dyson sphere around their planet. And I suspect that anydvanced technology will ultimately do the same, simply because it makes sense. Its a practical thing.

R: If they had that degree of engineering capability, why wouldnt they just live on Mars instead of hurtlingrough the solar system?

D: Well, they werent the original occupants of Mars.

R: OK.

D: They used Mars as a way-station, and theyve reactivated it. I agree with Zecharia on that, that theyveactivated their way-system, their way-station there. They used to drop off on Mars on their way here.

o they were never, I dont think, original inhabitants of Mars.

R: No. I like what youre saying.

D: There are a few remnants of the original inhabitants on Mars. There is even some indications which Iveeen looking into, and Ive gotten some data, that were playing host to a bunch of Martians here on thisanet. Im talking about the original species.

R: Do you know anything about the original Martian species? Or, have you ever...

D: Other than... The only thing... Ive talked to a couple of remote viewers whove apparently been able toome face-to-face with them, so to speak, and they ended up looking a lot like American Indians.

R: Mm hm. OK.

D: And I may have met a Martian [laughing]. Ive known so many strange people in my life.

R: Sure. I mean, I understand this well enough to know not to laugh at a comment like that. Thats for sure,o...

hat, believe it or not, was meant to be a minor question. I have a more major one, something that I thoughtou might want to talk about. Or, maybe I misunderstood you a little earlier on, I think, in a conversation thaterry had reported with you.

ome serious researchers, Linda Howe, Jim Marrs, quite a lot of other people, are really suspecting thatere may a hoaxed alien invasion as a kind of major celestial 911 event in our skies.

D: Youre talking about a false flag kind of situation?

R: False flag, yes. And,..

D: If we were to pull that off... If any of our idiot nitwits back there think that they could pull that off, I thinkeyd make absolute damn fools of themselves. Because I dont believe it would work. I dont think you cano that when youve got the real power out there that wouldnt allow that to happen!

R: Not so much an invasion, but a big display in the sky to create fear and make you believe... to control...ke Carol Rosen said that she had always been told by Wernher von Braun many years ago.

D: Yes, Wernher shared that, apparently, before he died, that he... It was one of the programs that theovernment at the time was considering. You know, theyve had these little plots theyve been working on alle time. This war, that war, a stock market crash... this, that, you know... all these little magician things that,at while Im showing you this hand, Im picking your pocket with this one.

hey may have had that in mind at that time, but I dont think theyre thinking of it seriously now, because I


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ink that our so-called Powers That Be -- which is a joke -- are in such close relationship and collusion withe real power [points upward] that it would never work. They would never allow it.

s like theyre [points upward] not going to allow a thermonuclear war.

R: Yes.

D: Theres too much valuable real estate here! Not just this rich gold mine of human genetics. What a ripeservoir we are, of genes and... God! The whole species plus all of the other fauna and all of the other

ora... this is a valuable planet. And they love it. They own it!

Weve never owned it. We just live on it. They farm us, so to speak. God! [sighs] [Kerry laughs]

harles Forte was right, to some degree. We are property. And were going to remain property until we reachpoint where we can literally stand up and say: All right. Were going to do this now ourselves. And prove it toe universe.

Were dealing with a universe filled with life! And most of it is so far beyond our own! I used an analogy oneme. And I said: They look upon us like we look upon head-hunters in New Guinea.

ow, youve seen the films, you know, History Channel and all the rest. Theyre naked. Theyre running

round with these stupid things on their penises and, you know, bones through their... whatever. Pathetic,ad, primitive savages. Theyre not to be feared. Theyre not to be abused. Theyre to be nurtured and caredr.

Well, the difference between some of them out there [points upward] and us is the difference between us andese poor guys in New Guinea and those rain forests out there.

ow, I joked about that, and then I learned later that that wasnt really a very accurate comparison. I learnedter that I didnt even come close to an appropriate comparison! That the real comparison between many ofem [points upward] out there and us is closer to how we feel about the chimpanzee.

nd, Bill, if you allow your mind to take those trips, and I know you do, there are creatures and life forms outere that are literally god-like. A lot of the remote viewers who have encountered them -- and Ive seen a fewthem myself -- look upon them as transcendentals.

hey manifest as living energy life forms, forms of light. Theyre the same kind that appeared when Jesusas walking around. Probably the same kind of guys that showed up for poor... what was it? Joseph Smith. Inow the history of the Mormon faith. Poor Joe had an event one time happening in his bedroom where tworilliant, beautiful, tall, glimmering, glistening beings of pure light appeared in his bedroom. Those wereanscendentals.

ow, the difference between them and us is between us and the Rhesus monkey. [Bill laughs] So, I think Im

etting close. Maybe not. But Im thinking Im getting close to an analogy that may be more realistic.

have nothing but hope because Im an immortal being. Im an infinite life form. If you could see me the way Ially am, Bill, it wouldnt be in this pathetic body with the ...

R: Its only our bodies were describing.

D: Oh, thats right! You know, this is just the shell. Ive had it for 79 years. Ive used it badly, and Ive abusedover the years. [Kerry laughs] And Im beginning to pay the lessons, the prices, for that. But if you could seee as I can see you... We are shimmering beings of light.

R: Yes.

C: Absolutely. Well, OK. I have a question for you because hes [meaning Zecharia Sitchin] got a book outalled End of Days.

D: Yes.


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C: And, in that book, he actually talks about Nibiru and the return. But he doesnt say that its actually goinghappen now.

D: He says... He thinks its about 2060. That was his estimate.

C:OK. And so, where does this information that you have, and 2012... How do we put this all together?ecause Im going to say something about what youre telling us... because its clear that youre something ofn intelligence analyst yourself. You certainly have an incredible background. You can cross-correlate, and son. But you also have some insider contacts. And you also have contact with Anunnaki, as youve said. All

ght?

o, where are you getting your information? And are they saying anything specific about whats happening in012? Because Im not so sure about Zecharias conclusion.

D: He said 2060, but apparently it could be before that. The Department of Defense is quite concernedbout it. There are entire sections of the Defense Department that are working on that subject, particularly.

he big question is: Are we and it going to be on the same side of the sun at the same time? And some of ourmote viewers have concluded, yes, its going to happen this time; that we and it will be on the same side ofe sun at the same time.

nd if the remote viewer... And theyre getting their information from ETs, and much of my information is frome same source. And, yes, were in for some bad times.

C: And were talking about while were still here on the planet, because I dont know that wed be aliveuring 2060.

D: Well, I dont know whether Ill still be here or not. You know, Ill be 80 in March and, you know, Ive got acket out of here.

C: Right.

D: Ive got it stamped. Ive got it paid. Im nine years beyond my warranty as it is!

C: [laughing] No, but I think that youre going to live quite a while. So, what...K. So weve got this interesting thing going on and were getting... We have a huge crack-down on anythingdo with Planet X.

D: Yes.

C: Its been made the laughing stock. Its an amazing thing!

D: Oh, the ridicule is [shakes head]...

C: I mean, I think it supersedes even the ET ridicule.

D: Oh, it does! It does.

C: I think its been so strong. And it actually has come, I would say, from the Vatican.

D: Mm hm.

C: So what are they so afraid of, number one? And, number two, have you heard the theory that basically

hat has to happen is, a protective shield is going to be put around the Earth such that this time its actuallyot going to have the impact that it has in the past?

D: Ive heard that rumor in passing, and the technology exists to do that. What I have a suspicion is thatuch of what will transpire will be allowed to transpire. The Earth is not going to be destroyed, and theuman race is not going to come to an end. But it is going to be a difficult period of time when it begins. Andt me tell you, it has already begun.


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he reaction from the sun is a clear response to the presence of this other body. Now, this other body hasready been photographed by telescopes in southern Chili and in New Zealand.

had asked Marcia to dig into her files. I had an article from a good friend who publishes a magazine inome. Adriano. I dont know whether you know about Adriano Forgione. Brilliant young man.

C: Yes.

D: Anyhow, he has connections with the Vatican. He has good friends who are Jesuit priests and

stronomers. And the Vatican is concerned about it. Anyhow, Adriano sent me an article, including twohotographs that have been taken of Nibiru -- already! -- taken by, primarily, I think, this observatory in Chili.

ut theyve taken pictures at an observatory in New Zealand, as well. So, its close enough now that opticallescopes have pictures of it and theyre studying it carefully to try to determine... what is it they call it... the

elestial mechanics of how everything moves.

Well, if our remote viewers are correct and the ETs have given us some run-down on it, its going to be afficult passing. Because we and it are going to be on the same side of the sun at the same time. And thateans all hells going to break loose.

ow, they have the technology. Were talking about not only Anunnaki. There are intelligences out there thategan a billion years ago. And they have technology that puts them in a category of what Kaku would call aype III Civilization.

C: Mm hm.

D: So, a Type III Civilization has the technology to ameliorate or mitigate the passing of Nibiru. Now,hether they do that, as you say, put a protective shield around it...

biru has done that for itself. They have a protective shield around their planet which is why in thehotographs it comes out as kind of reddish-gold. And apparently thats why they came here for the gold in

e first place. Because they were losing their atmosphere and they needed to seed gold particles in theirmosphere to keep the atmosphere from... You know, they go on a long trip out there.

C: OK, but the Anunnaki are here, youre saying. And yet, the Anunnaki are supposedly on Nibiru as well.r, what are you thinking? Or, whats your sources telling you about this?

D: The civilization, the Anunnaki civilization, is on the planet, but the Anunnaki are on this planet as well, allver the damn place... under the sea. The facilities that we know about... inside Mount Hayes in Alaska,side Mount Perdido in the Pyrenees. Theres one right in the middle of Australia which is near... what, Aliceprings. And whats the facility out there?

R: Pine Gap.

D: Pine Gap! Yes. Thank you, my friend. Pine Gap.

R: Are you referring to...

D: And that happens to be the R&R facility, according to the remote viewers.

C: Whats R&R? Im sorry...

D: Rest and relaxation. [Kerry laughs] Its what we used to call it in the military when we...

C: The R&R facility for who? What, the Anunnaki?

D: For the ETs and the Anunnaki. Yes.

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D: And theyre dealing with human beings, they need rest and relaxation! [Kerry laughs] But, anyhow, themor is that Pine Gap is primarily an R&R facility.

C: Have you been there?

D: Ive been to Australia. I havent been to Pine Gap, no. [smiles]

C: Would you lie to me?

D: Sometimes, maybe, but not right now, no.

C: OK.

D: No, I havent been to Pine Gap.

lot of my work has been a result of analyzing and sifting and evaluating the work of others. Thats what antelligence analyst does, takes data from a variety of sources.

ut I have some information that I have been provided from sources within the U.S. government that tell meat, yes, they are deeply concerned about it. And, theyre worried sick about it. And they dont know what too about it, because we dont have the power to do a damn thing about it!

R: Is the estimated date, as best you are given time to understand by your sources, in the next few years,ther than Sitchins estimate of 2060?

D: Well, let me tell you something about... You talking about 2012?

R: Im talking... well, there are some serious Planet X researchers who say that well see the thing nextear, and things could be starting...

D: I think you may see it next year, but I dont think youre going to have all hell breaking loose until maybebout 2020. Youre going to have a build-up of factors. Its not going to happen all of a sudden, just like that.

naps fingers] Youre not going to go out the front door and all hells breaking loose.

oure going to see a series of events taking place involving our geologic structures. Youre going to havecreased volcanic activity. Youre going to have increased sun spot activity. Were at a low right now!

C: Mm hm.

D: But you are going to see tremendous sun spot activity. Youre going see tremendous geologic activity.he Ring of Fire will probably erupt. Now, these are all going to be clues that all hell is coming, you know.

oure going to have storms. The cyclones have been getting worse, and the hurricanes have been getting

orse. Youll begin having hurricanes showing up in places that they really havent troubled us for a long,ng time.

o, youre going to have a build-up. Not slowly, but a consistent build-up of geological and weather and sunpot activities. And youre probably going... The estimate that Ive heard from people who have studied it, isbout 2020.

C: OK, but we have heard that Sitchin, as well-meaning as he may be, is working for the government. Andy understanding would be, is they dont want this information out. So theyre doing everything in their powermake sure that its ridiculed, as weve observed.

D: Kerry, what could the government, or anyone else, tell you? What could they say to you? Would they tellou that... Grab your hat, dig a hole, hang on? Would anything they say....

C: Well, is that what the underground bases is all about?

D: Well, I have always had the conviction -- and Ive put this together over the years -- that the so-calledite, the crme de la crme (theyre self-designated, you know), they have been preparing for chaos for


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ears!

initially was initiated by the thermonuclear threat with the Soviets -- underground, you know, fall-out sheltershere we could go. We have our own air-conditioning. We can have our own food supplies and our ownater supplies.

hat was a program that began that I worked very closely with when I was with FEMA over the years. Iveeen in underground facilities you wouldnt believe!

C: Mm hm.

D: And there are facilities everywhere that are not known. I mean, theres a big facility right under FortWachuga here in Arizona. I mean a massive one! That will never come out. Im telling it now, but, you know...

heres a deep, deep, massive underground facility under Fort Wachuga. Theyre all over the place.

nd I went to a Department of Energy school at Camp Mercury in Nevada. That was the first time I visitedte 51. I may have shared that with you.

C: Mm hm.

D: Anyhow, I went to school in, oh, 79, a Department of Energy school on radioactive emergency disaster

sponse, anyhow.

C: So, you went into the underground base at 51?

D: No, I talked to the guys who built some of them. I also took a bus ride over the pass from Camp Mercury,hich is the atomic test facility there, over the pass. I went into Site 51, Groom Lake, from the rear. And itas no big thing, just a tremendous facility there. Most of it was underground. And the hangars...

C: So. OK. First they reacted to the Soviet threat and all that, and the nuclear...

D: Itll build up slowly, and its already subtly begun. And they dont want to talk about it. No one wants to

hare it. I mean, look, for Gods sake, at the lid theyve kept on the reality of ET activity on the Moon andars!

C: Mm hm.

D: With the ridicule factor, and the lid coming down... I think Robert Harrington did lose his life because heaid too much. He says: Oh, it seems to be a rather nice planet, and we know about it, and all we need to doname it. And, then, bless his heart... You know, hed never had a heart problem, but within a year he was

ead with a heart attack.

ou know, when Ike met that crowd at Muroc, which is now Edwards...

C: Right.

D: ...in 54, he met the Anunnaki.

C: Mm.

D: Poor Ike, not long after that, had a heart attack. It was more than he was able to deal with. The shock ofat reality took a toll on him.

C: Mm.

D: And thats one of the reasons why the Brookings Report reached the conclusion it did! You cant tellose poor folks out there all this. They couldnt handle it! Well, B.S. They can handle it! Damn... Humaneings can handle anything.

C: [laughs] I have to agree with you.


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D: I mean, weve gone through hell over the centuries.

C: Absolutely.

D: We can handle Attila the Hun and Adolf Hitler, we can handle anything. Weve been designed to handlenything. We havent been designed to live very long, but then again, theres another story there.

C: Right.

D: Where did you think that this tremendous outpouring of knowledge on the double helix, our RNA, our

NA, and all of that, has been coming forth? Is there some connection with the fact that maybe we now haverelationship with the guys who originally designed us in the first place?

C: Sure.

D: Of course we have. Were now in the process of redesigning and engineering our own DNA. And wereeing told how. Were being shown how. And thank God theyre sharing it with us now, because the first timeoor old Adama and Ewa wanted the knowledge, they threw em out of the Garden, as it were, you know?

nd thats another thing I want to talk about briefly in passing... is that theres no such thing as original sin.nd thats a crock of manure thats been forced down your throats for thousands of years. There is no such

ing as original sin. The human race never fell. It was pushed! [Kerry laughs]

nd this species that you and I are a part of, this beautiful, wonderful, hopefully incredible race of humansoes have a future. And it is in the stars. And we are going out there to reclaim our rightful place, where wehould have been in the first place.

C: OK. And this gets into the Secret Space Program and terraforming, because there is some terraformingoing on, preparing for what might happen if Nibiru comes through, and if the Earth is in such a state... Werelking about terraforming Mars, maybe beyond. Have you heard things about this?

D: Yes, terraforming is a fine art. Its been going on for millions of years. The Earth itself was terraformed.

C: Right.

D: You know, it was prepared. The Garden was prepared for life. And then life was introduced and haseen nurtured since, from the very beginning. Terraforming is a fine art, and some of those guys out therehove been around a billion years are pretty good at it!

o, you see, I dont know whether theyre planning to re-terraform us after Nibiru passes. Or whether they areoing to try to help alleviate the damage in the meantime? I would suspect the latter.

aybe they are planning, through their engineering genius... and, my god, the fact is... You know, theyve got

rtificially constructed objects in space in the rings of Saturn that are over 2,000 miles long! Space ships000 miles long! I have pictures. Ill share them next week.

C: OK. What about John Walson? Are you familiar with his pictures of the craft around the sun?

D: Ive heard of it, but I havent seen them.

C: All right. Just wondering.

D: Weve got objects... I have photographs taken by Apollo 13 of alien ships five miles long, and Imhowing those over at San Jose.

C: Wonderful.

D: And those were taken by our own astronauts. Now, you get the guys on Apollo 13 -- and theyre all, fromhat I understand, all three still alive -- and you wont get a one of em to admit who snapped the shutter onat camera. But the film is there and the negative number is there. The roll number is there. And, there it is --NASA photograph of a five-mile-long artificial space ship! Now... And thats only... Thats small.


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C: Well, lets talk about the astronauts for a minute, because... Whats going on with Clark McClelland? Andhy is he having such a problem coming forward?

D: I didnt know Clark was having a problem.

C: He has a book that hes trying to write. Hes penniless. Hes had a terrible time. They dont want him tolk.

D: No. They probably dont.

C: OK. And, have you met... You know, have you talked to the astronauts? What about Edgar Mitchell?ave you talked to Edgar Mitchell?

D: I... I talked, before he died, with Gordon Cooper. I was on the phone a few times with Cooper. He evenent me an autographed photograph of himself. I admired him because he was one of the mavericks that hade courage to come out and say what he had seen.

ve known Ed Mitchell for some years. Every time I get a chance to see him, I chat with him, and I considerm a delightful man. Hes very warm and terribly bright.

C: Are they mind-controlled?

D: To some degree.

C: Have their minds been wiped?

D: Cooper... Cooper never was.

C: OK.

D: They never got to Gordon. And I dont think they got to Neil Armstrong either. But, all of the rest of them,

some level, have been kind of ... whats the word Im looking for here? [sighs] They have been conditionedot to speak. And in some cases, they may have been hypnotically effected to not remember.

Dark Mission, Hoagland says -- and the evidence is pretty clear -- that they hypnotically... Debriefed ishat they called it. But, supposedly, they were hypnotized to help them enhance their memory, to recall.pparently some of them had been hypnotically advised not to remember certain things.

s much as I admire Ed Mitchell and respect him -- a tremendous, wonderful guy -- he has admitted publiclyfront of other people that his time on the Moon, walking on the Moon, was kind of vague. He cant... He

ant recall everything. And, of course, thats sad.

dont think they ever got to Neil Armstrong because when he got back he left the program, said: To hell withIm out of here. He went back to Cincinnati and started teaching math at the university there. Andrmstrong hasnt said five words publicly since.

C: Uh huh.

D: And then you have the case of Aldrin. Now, Aldrin has had experiences where he has been with friendsnd the subject would come up. And Buzz would start to cry or he would get nauseated.

ne time -- and Hoagland touches upon this, I think, in Chapter Ten in the book -- where Aldrin was inonversation with a few people and with his wife, having a few drinks and it was just relaxed. And somebody

sked him a blunt, straight-to-the-point question, and he had to run out and throw up. He got sick!

ow, this, to me, is the result... and Ive studied it enough over the years to know that it sounds to me likeypnotic suggestion.

C: Mm hm.


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D: He has been hypnotically conditioned not to remember, or to not even discuss it. He gets nauseated.nd in one instance with a bunch of friends, old Fly Boy types, he ended up starting to cry. Now, this breaksy heart because Aldrin is a good man. He was one of our better men to be selected for that program.

C: Um hm.

D: You know... You know the story, and this is common knowledge. They got back from Apollo 11. They putdrin in a sanitarium for about six weeks. He had... suffering from alcoholism. Do you believe that? [Kerryughs]

o you believe one of our best and bravest, one of the finest in the Apollo Program suffered from alcoholism?onsense!

ou know... Apparently, it was the programming, to be reinforced. Now why would a grown man with hisackground break down and cry like a baby or end up getting nauseous and barf on this subject? Thatsypnotic, post-hypnotic stress.

C: So what is it on the Moon that is, you know, that is so important that they want to completely whitewashout of those mens minds?

D: Oh, my god! The astronomical societies, the professional astronomers in this country, have been guilty

criminal activity! You may quote me. Theyve been guilty of criminal activity for years to not discuss theality of what they knew on the Moon.

here are major facilities and major activities going on on the Moon all the time. Not only that, the Moon hasater. Now, whether its a natural process from the satellite, or whether its water thats been stored there forse, there are vaporous signs of a form of an atmosphere in the bottom of some of the craters.

ow, astronomers have seen these pictures, but that dishonest bunch of nitwits wont discuss it. Theyrecared because... You know why? Ninety percent of their income comes from government grants. And whenouve got a government grant and thats your prime source of income, youre going to say whatever theovernment says you should say. Or dont say whatever the government doesnt want said.

Well, anyhow, there is some atmosphere on the Moon, at least in the base of several of the larger craters.here is water on the Moon. But there is major activity going on! I mean, were talking about engineeringctivity.

here are giant ships that come and go out of the craters. There are lights all the time. They have noticedridges appearing and then disappearing. I mean, theyre active as hell on the Moon!

C: What about...

D: But the same activity is going on on Mars! Youve seen my photograph, I guess... Its not only my

hotograph. But theres a city the size of Chicago underground on Mars thats generating so much heat ithows up in infrared photographs.

C: Are you in touch with John Lear?

D: Ive met John. Ive been at his house a time or two. Ive visited him. I have a tremendous respect form. The reason I like John is, hes been nailed, as I have, as a damn fool maverick, you know?

C: I mean, this is his pet, you know, project.

D: The establishment has tried to ridicule John Lear, and you cant ridicule John Lear because hes got

ources, similar to some of my own, that are beyond question. Hes getting people inside feeding himformation almost on a regular basis. [Kerry laughs] I get mine in bits and pieces when I go to conferencesnd when I meet people, you know. But John gets it direct.

C: OK. I have a question for you about Arlington Institute and whats happening and might be happening inctober, because we have a lot of information coming out about October and about something that may beanned. I dont know if youve heard some of this stuff.


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We have... Our top secret witnesses are coming out and saying, you know, that the economy is beingngineered to crash here in the U.S, that...

D: Oh, this whole thing has been engineered.

C: All right.

D: Its been diddled. You know, this is a joke. And the poor guy out there, the poor working man on thereet, as it were, is being screwed royally! But, you know, this whole thing... Kerry, I would almost come to a

oint that 90% of what you call reality -- our threats with the Russians, the Georgia invasion, the stock marketollapse -- all of this is all engineered.

C: So tell us about it. So tell us about Georgia because... OK, to get back to... I know you know the guyhos head of, or was head of, the Arlington Institute. They are sending out a newsletter saying... invitingeople to tell them what dreams and visions theyre having about October, because October has becomeuch a hot month.

tracking, there is something called Half Past Human. Have you heard of them?

D: In passing.

C: Theyre doing, you know... They do language. They track with web bots all over the internet, basicallyacking where language is going. Theyve been doing it since 98 with computers and so on. And they wereble to chart, like before 911, this huge raise in consciousness that some event was imminent. What theyreetting for October is the same thing, only something even more long-range in its effect.

D: Well, I have a tremendous respect for John Peterson. Hes a brilliant guy.

C: All right.

D: Ive known him for some years.

C: So, Arlington Institute is suddenly asking for peoples dreams and visions about October. Why?

D: Marcia... Marcia is more in touch with John now than I am. Shes a computer person, you understand. Iont touch the damn thing!

C: I understand.

D: Because, as I told you earlier, I enjoy my privacy. And if youre on the world wide web, you dont haveny privacy.

C: OK, I agree with you there, so... OK. But you know him. And Im just basically... Youre saying this thingengineered. So what happened in Georgia? What do you know about it?

D: Oh, it was all engineered.

C: OK, so the Russians, you know, were tipped off.

D: The President of Georgia did what he did just to lure the Russians in.

C: Right.

D: And, he went in... The Russians could not have ignored him, for gods sake! He invaded one of theirtle... well...

C: So, whats the purpose behind it, though? We know what happened, but why?

D: I think... What could the purpose be other than to distract peoples attention from this over here to thisver here? While our economy was falling around your knees, were all paying attention to the Russians


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vading poor little Georgia!

Well, the Russians didnt invade poor little Georgia. They went out and whacked the President of Georgiastle pee-pee, as it were. [slaps his hand together]. Stop that! And they pulled back, you know.

C: Right.

D: You know how a magician works? He gets you in front of, you know... and hes doing this with this handhile hes picking your pocket with this one.

C: Thats right.

D: And thats what the government is doing. And when I say government, its not the government you thinkouve got. Its not the, you know... God, thats all a faade in itself! The government weve got is probablyeing totally run by the Anunnaki, because there is a power beyond power [points upward] thats pulling therings.

C: Right.

D: They call them the Illuminati, but there are guys above the Illuminati that are really in power.

C: OK. But were told the Vatican is behind a lot of it, and that... In other words, the Vatican is behind whatsoing on in the U.S., that theres a plan. And youve got the Anunnaki. This is not a positive plan, OK? To takeown the U.S.

D: Well, they think it is.

C: Do you think it is?

D: Their ultimate idea is, yes, a positive idea.

C: OK, what is it?

D: A one-world government.

C: Oh, all right.

D: Of course thats what they want.

C: Right.

D: And theyre going to have it, eventually.

C: Absolutely. Now, you can have a positive one-world government. Right?

D: But the growing pains... The growing pains that we go through before we get there... Its going to beretty horrendous. Not only are we going to have to put up with this crap with Nibiru, which is a real thing...

ut this growing process that were going through to end up eventually with a one-world government is goingbe painful as hell! And theres going to be a lot of blood on the streets before its over with. Sadly enough,ats, in my opinion, a fact. And thats being manipulated [points upward] from a very high level.

C: OK, but we have white hats in the U.S. government that are actually trying to prevent this. Are theyot?

D: We have some good men and good women who are well aware of whats taking place and whatsanspiring. And theyre trying to modify, ameliorate... Is that the right word? To make this growth pain asainless as possible. Theyre trying to not have as much blood as it might take.

rowth from adolescence as a species and as a society is somewhat like the painful growth of an adolescentd 13 years old whos trying to grow up. Do you remember when you went through that?


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C: Sure.

D: It was not fun time.

C: Absolutely. So... OK, but lets get down to the nuts and bolts. The stock market is crashing. You need tovest in gold and silver if you want to stay alive.

D: The stock market was rotten to its core.

C: Absolutely. But, are you telling people to leave, to go to South America?

D: No.

C: Whats your advice?

D: Im telling people that youre in for some difficult times, and I say this in my presentations. I jokingly lookthem and say: You are all doomed. Theres not a one of you thats going to be around a hundred years

om now. Youre doomed! So, the hell with it. Enjoy the ride! [Kerry laughs]

o, I tell people who are interested in listening to whatever it is I have to say, that youre in for some difficult

mes. Its going to happen. There is no way to avoid it. We cannot go on as we were, because some of ourystems were rotten to the core.

nd, our banking system, the insurance programs, all of that... stock market, Wall Street. Those guys werebsolutely rotten.

C: The housing industry?

D: The housing industry! That was bound to fail! You talk about a bubble! It was bound to fail. It had to fail.Well, Im glad it failed. Hope to hell that they learned something from it. Now...

C: OK, but were talking... Are we talking about martial law in the United States? I mean, what are welking here?

D: Youre talking about a time when you may have martial law. Its only one step away. You know that theuthority has been given to the president to declare it.

C: Right.

D: Congress gave that authority to the president years ago. Ive even lost track of how long its been. But,nyhow, all the president has to do, whoever he may be... and that doesnt matter much anymore either,ecause one nitwit is very much like the other. You have a national emergency, and its declared.

C: Right.

D: Boom. Martial law! You declare a national emergency which has not been declared yet.

C: Right.

D: But were right on the edge of it.

C: Right.

D: And youre going to have martial law.

C: OK, so we dont have an election. Right?

D: Well, thats... Youre thinking about an October surprise?

C: I have no idea. Im asking you.


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D: Well, I dont know about that. Im not sure itll happen in October. I suspect it may occur within the nextear. But I dont know...

havent had any dreams. My dreams have been pretty fascinating recently. But none of them have beenrribly troubling. And I know this is all happening. Its going to take place. Its inevitable. Its beenrchestrated.

he Illuminati do exist. They are in power. Theyve been in power for years. Theyve been demonstrating thatower ever since 1913 when they created the... What the hell is the banking system?

C: Federal Reserve.

D: Federal Reserve, yes, which is a private corporation. We lost most of it in 47. I dont know whether youere aware of that, but that was a big year. National security became everything. It became a member of thead.

47 we declared... We made the National Security Agency. We formed a pact with the Brits, the Australians,e Canadians, and New Zealand, the UKUSA Pact, which most people dont even know exists. The UKUSAowd, all of us, Britain, the U.S., Canada, New Zealand, Australia, are all like this [clenches hands together].

Whoever is in the White House and whoever is at Buckingham Palace... it dont matter.

C: All right.

D: The power behind the scenes has been running this damn thing since 1947, and Ike saw it. It scared theell out of him. He met the Anunnaki. That scared the hell out of him. So theyre pulling our strings now, likeey always have.

C: OK, so whats your solution? What would you tell people? I mean, in facing the future, in trying toinvent the future. Certainly Marcia is working with people to... to become enlightened, to apply...

D: Shes doing a tremendous amount of work to help people trans... make this transition. Kerry, were not

st going through a transition. Were going through a transcendent transformation, literally... a transcendentansformation.

Were going to come out of this thing, when its over with, a totally different species. Were not going to be theame people we were in the past. And thats good! And its going to hurt. And its going to be painful.

nd I tell people... and Ive said this repeatedly: Dont get too uptight about it. Youve been through hellefore. Youre going through a bit of it again. But once its over, once youve made that transition, were goinghave, hopefully, a new world, a new future, a new beginning.

nd I think thats the end of the Great Year that were going through. Were going through the end of a

6,000-year cycle.

ell you, 2012... phhhft, dont matter! First of all, Christ was born seven years before. And this is a fact. And ifou dont believe me, get Sir Lawrence Gardner, who is probably one of the best historians weve got workingday. Lawrence Gardners got the facts. Jesus was born in 7 BC, on the first of March.

ow, if you want to count from his birth, like we supposedly have been doing, add seven years to 2008. Yound up with 2015. Thats pretty close to 20...

C: Oh, so youre saying we are actually in the year 2015 now.

D: Were in the year 2015 right now.

C: Right. So that means that Nibiru... When you say its coming in 2020, its actually due in about fiveears.

D: Probably.


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C: So, were looking at 2013 by our calendar.

D: Well, no later than 2017 [smiles]. Ill throw 2017 out.

C: OK.

D: And you can take that to the bank. [laughter] 2017. Now that...

C: OK.

D: Thatll give or take a year or two because the celestial mechanics... They havent really worked it all outet. Weve got computers you wouldnt believe but theyre still trying to feed in some of the data.

C: So, are you... Is one of the remote viewers youre in touch with Ingo Swann?

D: I havent been in touch with Ingo for some time, but I... Kerry, Ive been doing some remote viewing.

C: Right.

D: Ive even had a couple of out-of-body experiences.

C: Mm hm.

D: Ive been doing a lot of meditating. When you go in... When you step into that world, there is no time,nd you can talk to anybody, everywhere, all at once. Now, that sounds silly to anyone who doesntnderstand what Im trying to say.

When you step into that realm of timelessness, and you remote view, and you step out of your body, and youo into altered states, and you meditate, youre in a timeless, infinite reality that people communicate... Youde shocked and amazed at the wealth of information thats out there just to tap into. The old ones used to talkbout the Akashic Records.

C: Mm hm.

D: Its real. Its real! And it isnt just about the past because, Kerry, there is no past, nor is there a future.heres only an eternal Now. And a physicist sitting here in this room would say, Balderdash! Because theyouldnt grasp for a minute what Im trying to talk about. But old Ingo would.

C: Yes. Absolutely. Well, Ive been some of those places myself, that youre talking about.

D: I knew it! You see...

C: [laughing] And so I have to say youre absolutely right, and its an incredible pleasure for us to hear this

om yourself.

nd I... You know, I would like to, at this time, just open the floor and say is there anything that we haventovered here that you would like to talk about? And, then, of course, we would also like to invite Bill to askou some questions.

D: Weve danced around on a whole bunch of things for the last hour. I enjoy it. I enjoy chatting with youwo guys. Youre pleasant people.

s I say, Im an old codger, and if you plug me in and turn me loose, theres no telling where I may end up.ve been around 79 years this trip. Ive made a dozen or two previous trips which, amazingly, I remember

uite a bit about.

When you start going into that timeless realm, you step into that infinite which were all part of, memories ofher lives come flooding into you sometimes. Oh, god! The things Ive seen, the things Ive done, the places

ve been... this life... are kind of shocking. The things Ive done, the places Ive been, the lives Ive livedefore are beyond belief.


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. Im not boasting. This is not a boast. But Im an old soul. Ive been around on this planet a long time. And,amazingly, remember. Some of the memories I would rather not remember because theyre painful.

ell! I have memories of Sumer. I knew the Anunnaki back then, worked with them. I was one of theiroducts. I know them now. And I dont have any fear.

nd, in bringing this to a close, I would like to say to whoever is watching: Get rid of the fear. You haveothing to fear. You are an immortal, timeless being who has an infinite future in a glorious universe thats soed with beauty and light that we on this little tiny planet couldnt begin to grasp. [clenches fists]

ut I say to people, Dont be afraid, for gods sake! Gather around you those you love. Spread that loveound and go into tomorrow with courage because youve been through a hell of a lot worse before.

o, be hopeful. Love one another. And have courage. And thats really all I have to say.

C: Well, thank you, Bob Dean. Its really an honor and a pleasure.

D: Thank you, Kerry Cassidy. I enjoyed every minute of it.

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