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1 Bible Study with the LDS By Bobby Long  All   scripture [is] given by inspirat ion of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproo f, for correction,  for instructio n in righteousness: 2Tim. 3:16 -------------  For if he tha t cometh preach eth another Jesu s, whom w e have not preac hed, or [if ] ye receive another  spirit, whic h ye have not r eceived, or ano ther gospel, w hich ye have not a ccepted, ye migh t well bear w ith [him]. 2Cor. 11:4 -------------  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have  preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any [man ] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Gal 1:8 ------------- 1) Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory wh at I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died fo r our sins according to the scriptures ; 4) And that he was buried, and that he rose again the th ird day according to t he scriptures: 1 Cor. 15:1-4

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Bible Study

withthe

LDS

By

Bobby Long

 All   scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2Tim. 3:16 

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 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another  spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with[him]. 2Cor. 11:4

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 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any [man] preach anyother gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Gal 1:8

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1) Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye havereceived, and wherein ye stand; 2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached 

unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I alsoreceived, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4) And that he was buried, and 

that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Cor. 15:1-4

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THE GOSPEL:

God Demands RIGHTEOUSNESS: [20] For I say unto you, that except your righteousnessshall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the

kingdom of heaven. (Mat 5:20 KJV)

Man is NOT RIGHTEOUS: [10] As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: (Rom3:10 KJV)

SIN leads to DEATH: [23] For the wages of sin [is] death;…” (Rom. 6:23a KJV)

God made a way for LIFE: “…but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our 

Lord. (Rom 6:23b KJV)

God added humanity to His Diety and walked among us. 100 man / 100 deity: “And the

Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only

 begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (John 1:14 KJV)

The sinless Christ became our sin so that we could share in HIS righteous: [21] For he hath

made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of Godin him. (2Cr 5:21 KJV)

CHRIST DIED for US: [8] But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we wereyet sinners, Christ died for us. (Rom 5:8 KJV)

REPENT AND BELIEVE: [15] And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God isat hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. (Mar 1:15 KJV)

THE GOSPEL COST GOD EVERYTHING, YET IT IS SIMPLE: [3] But I fear, lest by any

means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted fromthe simplicity that is in Christ. (2Cr 11:3 KJV)

THE GOSPEL: [1] Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached untoyou, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; [2] By which also ye are saved, if yekeep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. [3] For I delivered

unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the

scriptures; [4] And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to thescriptures: (1Cr 15:1-4 KJV)

OUR SALVATION IS DUE SOLE TO THE GIFT OF GOD: [8] For by grace are ye savedthrough faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (Eph 2:8 KJV)

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First Of All:

“I have nothing against Joseph Smith and Brigham Young as people, my

criticism is against the system of theology that they said God gave them. We

don’t what to argue with people, I want to discuss the system. It’s a pretty sorrystate when a group of intelligent people can’t get together and sit down and 

objectively discuss the person of Jesus Christ without getting personal and 

nasty.” 

Q: What does this statement mean to you concerning the Bible?

“Take up the Bible, compare the religion of the Latterday Saints with it, and see if it will stand

the test.” Journal of Discourses, Vol.16, p.46, Brigham Young, May 18, 1873.

“There is no clash in the principles revealed in the Bible, the Book of Mormon, and the Doctrineand Covenants; and there would be no clash between any of the doctrines taught by Joseph the

Prophet and by the brethren now, if all would live in a way to be governed by the Spirit of theLord. All do not live so as to have the Spirit of the Lord with them all the time, and the result is

that some get out of the way.” (Brigham Young: Journal of Discourses, Vol.5, p.329, Brigham

Young, October 7, 1857)

Some, in their curiosity, will say, "But you Mormons have another Bible! Do you believe in the

Old and New Testaments?" I answer we do believe in the Old and New Testaments, and we have

also another book, called the Book of Mormon. What are the doctrines of the Book of Mormon?The same as those of the Bible. (Journal of Discourses, Vol.13, p.174 p.175, Brigham Young,

May 29, 1870)

Would it be a fair to say that?1.  Brigham Young invited comparison of the Bible and BM to see if the BM stands the test?

 __Yes __ No

2.  We should find no clash in principles or doctrine between the Bible and the BM? __Yes __ No

3.  We should find no clash in principles or doctrine between the Bible and the D&C?

 __Yes __ No4.  Should there be any clash in principles between the Bible and anything Brigham Young

or Joseph Smith said? __Yes __ No

5.  Did God inspire the Bible? __Yes __ No

6.  Does God ever lie? __Yes __ No

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What do the following passages say concerning the Bible?================================================== And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and 

the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Matt. 16:18

 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Matt: 24:35 – Mar.

13:31 – Luke 21:33

 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for 

thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Rev. 3:8 

Q: From the passages above, who is responsible for the preservation of Scripture?

 __ Man ___ God

Q: What does “ preservation” mean? Would you agree that it means that it is kept safe and the

teachings would be the same today as it was the day it was preserved? __ Yes ___ No

Q: Has God ever failed?

 __ Yes ___ No

Q: Did Jesus lie when he said, 

"I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go forth and bring forth fruit, and that 

 your fruit should remain" John 15:16

Q: ___ Yes ___ No: Where the NT writers delusional when they wrote, 

2 Tim. 2:2 "The things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit 

thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also." 

•  Do you accept the Bible as the infallible Word of God? __Yes __ No

•  Do you accept it totally as it is written? __Yes __ No

•  Do you read Greek / Hebrew? __Yes __ No

I understand the Mormons recognized 4 books with equal validity:

• Book of Mormon

•  Doctrine and Covenants

•  Pearl of Great Price

•  The Bible in so far as it is correct translated (KJV)

•  Did God inspire the Bible? __Yes __ No

•  Does God ever lie? __Yes __ No

•  Can we rely upon God at all times? __Yes __ No

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Q. Which is the oldest Revelation? (BIBLE) 

Then, if God doesn’t lie, and will always tell us the truth from beginning to end,then we should test the more recent revelations by the oldest right?

As a matter of fact, Brigham encourages that doesn’t he?

 __Yes __ No

•  God says His word is true because he tells the end from the beginning (Isa 46:10)

•  Re-establishment of Israel – Deut. 28:64, Luke 19:43-44

•  The destruction of Tyre – Eze. 26.

•  Sidon (Ezekiel 28:22-23);

•  Samaria (Hosea 13:16 & Micah 1:6);

•  Gaza-Ashkelon (Amos 1:8; Jeremiah 47:5; Zephaniah 2:4);

•  Moab-Ammon (Ezekiel 25:3-4; Jeremiah 48:47 & 49:6);

•  Petra-Edom (Isaiah 34:6-15; Jeremiah 49:17-18; Ezekiel 25:13-14 & 35:57);

•  Thebes-Memphis (Ezekiel 30:13-15);

•   Nineveh (Nahum 1:8-10; 2:6; 3:10; 3:13; 3:19);

Let’s Look at the Bible and see how the Book of Mormon compares.. We can and should do that

according to Brigham. Notice the Bible is the standard, the Book of Mormon is the tested.

“Take up the Bible, compare the religion of the Latterday Saints with it, and see if it will stand

the test.” Journal of Discourses, Vol.16, p.46, Brigham Young, May 18, 1873.

These are the reason we don’t believe the Mormon’s are Christians. And the Mormons reallyshouldn’t be surprise or upset because:

“… President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints ‘do

not believe in the traditional Christ. No, I don’t. The traditional Christ of whom they

speak is not the Christ of whom I speak .…’ ”— Church News, June 20, 1998, p. 7

If you’re a “Christian” like me because you “believe in Jesus Christ,” why does your ProphetGordon B. Hinckley and other leaders admit that you believe in a different Jesus from the one

that I trust in for my salvation?

How would you feel if I claimed to be “Mormon,” but I decided not to accept the Book of  Mormon as “Scripture” or Joseph Smith as a “Prophet”?

Why, then, do you judge me for claiming that Mormonism is not Christian due to itsrejection of the historic Christian beliefs concerning Jesus Christ and Salvation?

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The Basic Premise and Foundation of Mormonism:

The entire theology of Mormonism comes down to the truthfulness of one man; JOSEPH

SMITH. If Joseph did not tell the truth or if the what Joseph said is contradictory to the Bible

which is the oldest Revelation, then the structure of Mormonism crumbles to the ground.

If Joseph Smith is found to be a false prophet then the precepts of Mormonism are false andshould not be trusted.

So when we examine the claims and doctrines of Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon theyare either in line with the Bible or they are not. If they are not then we have a contradiction and

one must either except the Bible or the word of Joseph Smith.

1 Thessalonians 5:21: “Prove all things; hold fast to what is good.”

Moroni 10:4-5: If ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he willmanifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost. And by the power of the HolyGhost ye may know the truth of all things.”

This is a self-fulfilling prayer. To believe the Book of Mormon, you have to accept and believethe promise of Moroni 5:21. If you believe Moroni then you have already accepted the Book of 

Mormon as true. Praying this prayer only signifies that you have already accepted the Book as

truth… The promise of Moroni 5:21 states that if everyone prayed this prayer, then those who

 pray sincerely in faith (already believing that it is the truth when the truth is what we are prayingabout) will receive a testimony, while those who are insincere will not receive that response.

Since it is impossible to know who is sincere and who is not it is impossible to know whichresponses are to be trusted. The testimony proves nothing about the validity of the truth of 

something. It only speaks to the sincerity of the person that believes. But remember, one can be

sincere about a belief and be sincerely wrong.

The true test of truth must be Holy Scripture.

The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the

LORD search the heart, [I] try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways,

[and] according to the fruit of his doings. Jer. 17:9-10

“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with allreadiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” Acts

17:11

“He that trusteth his own heart is a fool.” Prov. 28:26

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There are many deceiving spirits that will lie to the heart of man.

1 Timothy 4:1[1] Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith,

giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; (1Ti 4:1 KJV)

1 John 4:1

[1] Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many

false prophets are gone out into the world. (1Jo 4:1 KJV)

Gal 1:8

[8] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which

we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (Gal 1:8 KJV)

II Cor. 11:14

[14] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. (2Cr 11:14 KJV)

Testing for Truth: Consistency:

Does the oldest Revelations that we know are from God match up with the revelations that are“hot off the press’..

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Is Jerusalem a LAND or a CITY?

Where was Jesus Born?

In Alma 7:10 it says,

“10 And behold, he shall beaborn of Mary, at 

b Jerusalem which is the

cland of our 

 forefathers, she being a d virgin, a precious and chosen vessel, who shall beovershadowed and 

econceive by the power of the Holy Ghost, and bring forth a son, yea,

even the Son of God.”

In the Book of Mormon, Jerusalem is a land, but the Bible and history shows that Jerusalem is acity in the land given to Judah. The Bible says that Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea.

“[1] Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king,behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,” (Mat 2:1 KJV)

“[2] But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of 

 Judah, [yet] out of thee shall he come forth unto me [that is] to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth [have been] from of old, from everlasting.” (Mic 5:2 KJV)

Please Explain?

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When were Christians Called Christians?We call ourselves Christians because we follow the Biblical Christ. The Bible teaches that,

“[26] And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass,

that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people.

And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.” (Act 11:26 KJV)

However, the Book of Mormon calls believers “Christians” and claims that it was written in73BC?

15 And those who did belong to the church werea faithful; yea, all those who were true

believers in Christ btook upon them, gladly, the name of Christ, or 

cChristians as they

were called, because of their belief in Christ who should come. Alma 46:15

Please Explain:

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Was the Fall of Adam a Good Thing?

When Adam fell, it brought sin and suffering in to the world.

[12] Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death

 passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Rom 5:12 KJV)

[5] Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. (Psa 51:5 KJV)

[17] And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and 

hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life; [18]

Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the

 field; [19] In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return. (Gen

3:17-19 KJV)

These verses bring up several points: In the Book of Mormon, it says this,

25a Adam

b fell that men might be; and men

care, that they might have

d  joy. 2 Nephi 2:25

The Bible states that Adam sinned and the fall resulted. Yet Brigham says that Adam is the God,

the Almighty Father, and the “only God with whom we have to do.” If this is the case then the

Mormon God not only is capable of SINNING, but did it ON PURPOSE.

"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our 

 father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him .  He helped to make and organize this world . He

is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and 

spoken -- He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." (Brigham Young: Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, page 50- scan in file).

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The Bible proclaims God as HOLY, RIGHTEOUS, PURE, INCAPABLE OF SINNING,

UNEQUALED, and ALL POWERFUL, yet the Mormon God’s actions brought sin upon theentire race of mankind, caused the earth to be “cursed”. Not only that, but if Adam is the true

God of the Bible and The Book of Mormon, then He is not ALL POWERFUL because He was

Judged by another and he was a spirit that took on a body. But the Bible says,

“14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say untothe children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.” Ex. 3:14 [interpreted: Self-ExistentOne]

25 “To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.” Isa. 40:25

 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward 

that which is spiritual. 1 Cor. 15:46 

Please Explain:

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How was Jesus BEGOTTEN?

In Mormon Theology, Jesus was a product of sexual relations with “Adam-God” and Mary and

was NOT begotten by the Holy Spirit.

"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our  father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and 

brought Eve, one of his wives, with him .  He helped to make and organize this world . Heis Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and 

spoken –  He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." 

(Brigham Young: Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, page 50- scan in file).

" Now remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by

the Holy Ghost " Brigham Young ( Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p.51- scan in file).

The birth of the Savior was a s natural as are the births of our children; it was the result 

of a natural action. He partook of flesh and blook- was gegotten of his Father, as we areof our fathers. (Herbert C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses; 8:211)

Christ is the Son of Man, meaning that his Father (the eternal God) is a Holy Man. “In

the language of Adam, Man of Holiness” is the name of God. (Bruce McConkie;Mormon Doctrine: Pg. 742)

“Jesus was not the son of any mortal man. His biological father was God, the Father. As

Son of God, Jesus represents the Father and acts as his agent in all things.” (Joseph F.Smith. The Restoration of All Things. Pg. 61)

“Mary told the story most beautifully when she said that an angel of the Lord caem to her and told her that she had found favor in the sight of God and had come to be worthy of 

the fulfillment of the promises heretofore made, to become the virgin mother of the

Redeemer of the world. She afterwards, referring to the event, said: “God hath done

wonderful things unto me.” “And the Holy Ghost came upon her,” is the story, “and she

came into the presence of the highest.” No man or woman can live mortality and survive

the presence of the Hightest except by the sustaining power of the Holy Ghost. So it

came upon her to prepare her for admittance into the divine presence, and the

power of the Highest, who is the Father, was present, and overshadowed her, and

the holy Child that was born of her was called the Son of God. (Bruce R. McConkie,

The Promised Messiah, p. 472-473)

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But the Bible plainly states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Spirit.

 Matt. 1:18- Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary

was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy

Ghost.

 Matt. 1:20- But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared 

unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary

thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

 Luke 1:35: And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon

thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

 Not only that, but Brigham contradicts The Book of Mormon. In Alma it says,

Book of Mormon:

"And behold, he shall be born of Mary, ... she being a virgin, a precious and chosenvessel, who shall be overshadowed and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost, and 

bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of God." Alma 7:10 

Brigham Young:" Now remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by

the Holy Ghost " Brigham Young ( Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p.51- scan in file). 

Joseph F. Smith:

They tell us that the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I 

challenge that statement. The book of Mormon teaches No Such Thing! Neither does the Bible!” (Joseph Fielding Smith, 10

thProphet of the Mormon Church. Doctrines of 

Salvation, Vol. 1:18)

QUESTION: Which is right? The Book of Mormon or Brigham Young?

Joseph Smith taught that the Book of Mormon “was the most correct of any book on

earth…a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other 

 book.” (History of the Church, vol. 4, p. 461)

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Was Brigham a False Prophet?

If not, please explain why he was not?

Was Joseph F. Smith a False Prophet?

If not, please explain why he was not?

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SALVATION BY GRACE…. AFTER ALL WE CAN DO?

In 2 Nephi, it says that Faith + Works = Salvation:

2 NEPHI 25:23: “…for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can

do.”

But the Bible plainly states that,

EPHESIAHS 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith…Not of works, lest any

man should boast.”

Questions:

How do you know that you have done all you can do?

Can’t one always do more?

If you can do more, then you’ve not done all you can do?

How do you square this teaching with 1 John 5:13 which says,

“These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may [continue to] believe in the name

of the Son of God.” 1 John 5:13

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Book of Mormon:

ALMA 5:27-31: “Have ye walked, keeping yourselves blameless before God? Could ye

say, if ye were called to die at this time, within yourselves, that ye have been

sufficiently humble? That your garments have been cleansed and made white through

the blood of Christ, who will come to redeem his people from their sins? Behold, are ye

stripped of pride? I say unto you, if ye are not ye are not prepared to meet God.Behold ye must prepare quickly; for the kingdom of heaven is soon at hand, and such an

one hath not eternal life. Behold, I say, is there one among you who is not stripped of 

envy? I say unto you that such an one is not prepared; and I would that he should preparequickly, for the hour is close at hand, and he knoweth not when the time shall come; for

such an one is not found guiltless. And again I say unto you, is there one among you

that doth make a mock of his brother, or that heapeth upon him persecutions? Wo unto

such an one, for he is not prepared, and the time is at hand that he must repent or he

cannot be saved! 

Spencer W. Kimball (12th

Prophet of LDS Church; The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 163-165)

“There is one crucial test of repentance. This is abandonment of the sin. He saving power does not extend to him who merely wants to change his life. Nor is repentance, complete

when one merely tries to abandon sin. To “try” is weak. To “do the best I can” is notstrong. We mist always to better than we can..”

Question:

•  Are you keeping yourself blameless before God?

•  Have you been sufficiently humble?

•  Are stripped away of all pride and envy?

•  Are you guiltless or sinless?

•  Have you ever mocked your brother?

If you can not answer these by saying “YES” then you are NOT prepared to meet God.“Trying is not good enough”.. A TOTAL abandonment of sin is required.

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Moroni 10:32:

“Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all

ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all

your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye

may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can innowise deny the power of God.”

God’s grace is not sufficient for you UNTIL you have first denied yourself of ALL ungodliness.Have you denied yourself of ALL ungodliness?

1 NEPHI 3:7:

“…for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them.” 

If the LORD gives no commandment that the children of men cannot keep then we should be

able to keep ALL the ten commandments ALL the days of our life if we want.. If we do notkeep all the commandments and fail in them more than once even after we repent, then that

would mean that the repentance that we thought as sincere in our heart was really not. For if it

were, we would not have committed that sin again; correct?

Do not Murder?

Remember thou, Jesus said, if you have ever been angry with your brother without a cause or 

called him a fool you have committed murder in your heart (Matt. 5: 21-22)

Do not commit Adultery?

Remember: Jesus said that if you look at a woman with lust, you have already committedadultery with her in your heart (Matt. 5:27-28)

Honor your father and mother?

Do not steal?

Do not covet?

•  Have you ever been angry with another even after repenting of the same sin?

•  Have you ever looked at the opposite sex with lust?

•  Have you ever disrespected you mother or father in word or deed?

•  Have you ever stolen anything? Paperclip, time, etc..

•  Have you ever wanted something that someone else has or been jealous?

Do not lie? – remember:

Revelation 21:8 warns: “…all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fireand brimstone: which is the second death.”

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ALMA 45:16:“…for the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance.”

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS 25:15:“Keep my commandments continually, and a crown of righteousness thou shalt receive. And

except thou do this, where I am you cannot come.”

Since the Lord cannot look upon sin with the “least degree of allowance,” what have

you done to eradicate sin in your life? If you have not fully repented by putting an

end to sin and keeping God’s commandments “continually,” how can you claim to

be forgiven by the God?

ALMA 34:32: “For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, beholdthe day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors.”

Since “this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God,” how can you claim that

you have time after death to eradicate sin in your life?

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS 58:43: “By this ye may know if a man repenteth of hissins—behold, he will confess them and forsake them.”

At Sacrament meeting each week, do you renew your covenants to keep God’s

commandments? Since you are continually breaking God’s commandments, doesn’t

this make you an unrepentant covenant breaker? After all, if you truly did repent

the first time by forsaking your sins, you wouldn’t need to continually repent again

and again, would you?

“Repentance is a thing that cannot be trifled with every day. Daily transgression and daily

repentance is not that which is pleasing in the sight of God.” — Teachings of the Prophet  Joseph Smith, p. 148

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS 82:7: “And now, verily I say unto you, I, the Lord, will not

lay any sin to your charge; go your ways and sin no more; but unto that soul who sinneth shall

the former sins return, saith the Lord your God.”

Have you ever repeated a sin after asking for forgiveness?

What do your Scriptures say happens to the soul who continually sins?

How can you be forgiven if you are held accountable for your former sins?

Since you have not stopped sinning, would it be safe to say that you have

“procrastinated” the day of your repentance?

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ALMA 34:33-35: “And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses,

therefore, I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the

end; for after this day of life, which is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do notimprove our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no

labor performed. Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I

will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess yourbodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your

body in that eternal world. For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance

even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal

you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and

the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked.”

CONCLUSION:

What does this Book of Mormon Scripture say happens to the person

who “procrastinates” the day of his repentance until death? Since “the

same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that you go out of this life… will have power to possess your body in the eternal world,”

how can you repent (i.e., stop sinning) and be forgiven after you die? If 

after death, you are “subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal

you his,” can you see why Alma 11:37 says that the Jesus of Mormonism

“cannot save” you in your sins?

ALMA 11:37: “And I say unto you again that he cannot save them in their sins; for I cannotdeny his word, and he hath said that no unclean thing can inherit the kingdom of heaven;

therefore, how can ye be saved, except ye inherit the kingdom of heaven? Therefore, ye cannot

be saved in your sins.”

Since “ye cannot be saved in your sins,” and you have already

admitted that you have not repented of ALL of your sins

because you have not stopped breaking the commandments,

how can the Jesus of Mormonism save you?

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This is not my interpretation.. If you discount it as such then you much repent because your 

CHURCH LEADERSHIP has said the same thing:

“Those who receive forgiveness and then repeat the sin are held accountable for their

former sins.” — Gospel Principles, 1995ed, p. 253

“Because of the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we can receive forgiveness for our sins

through sincere and complete repentance. … Abandonment of Sin. Although

confession is an essential element of repentance, it is not enough. The Lord has said, ‘Bythis ye may know if a man repenteth of his sins—behold, he will confess them and

forsake them’ (D&C 58:43).

Maintain an unyielding, permanent resolve that you will never repeat the transgression.When you keep this commitment, you will never experience the pain of that sin again.”

 —True to the Faith – A Gospel Reference, 2004, pp. 70, 134-135

ROMANS 11:6: “And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no moregrace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.”

Is Jesus sufficient or is He just a necessary step for salvation? If Jesus is sufficient,

why do we need to add works to His saving grace? Can you see how believing that

you must do “all you can do” for salvation is a disgrace to God because you are

saying that His “gift” (Romans 6:23; Ephesians 2:8-9) of Jesus Christ is

“insufficient” to save you to the uttermost (Hebrews 7:25)?

JAMES 2:10: “For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point , he is guiltyof all.”

Since we cannot keep the “whole law,” can you see why salvation has to be granted

by grace alone apart from works of the law (Romans 3:28; 4:4-5), and why God

cannot accept your filthy rags of pride to merit Celestial glory (Isaiah 64:6;

Philippians 3:9; Ephesians 2:9)?

JAMES 2:17-18: “Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say,

Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my

faith by my works.”

The context of James 2 is contrasting the difference between a dead faith that

cannot save and a living faith that is evidenced (i.e., shown) by works. Just as a fruit

tree is proved alive by its fruit, so true living faith will be proved alive by the fruit of 

Christian works (John 13:34-35). These works will indeed “shew” that the true

living faith that justifies a person is alive within the heart. Rewards given in Heaven

are not done to merit a higher level of eternal life. Rather, these rewards are given

to be thrown down at the feet of Jesus in gratitude and worship because He is the

only One who is worthy (Luke 17:9-10; Revelation 4:10-11).

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The Law and Commandments were given in order to lead us to Christ:

“Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be

 justified by faith.” Gal. 3:24..

When we come to the realization that we cannot keep the law and any trying on our part is futile,then we look to the one that did keep the law (Jesus Christ). The only way that we be “just-as-

if-we-never-sinned” is to appropriate the finished work of Jesus on the cross to our lives by

FAITH. Not of works.

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The Book of Mormon says that many things were taken away from

scripture,

1 NEPHI 13:28: “…many plain and precious things taken away from the book…”

But the Bibles says that the Word of God would never pass away..

 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church;

and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Matt. 16:18

 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Matt: 24:35 – 

 Mar. 13:31 – Luke 21:33

 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it:

 for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Rev.

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There are some other issues that I have with the Book of Mormon that I really can’t understand.

From what I understand, the Book of Mormon tells a historical record of Gold Plates that werediscovered in upstate New York by young Joseph Smith. He was given 2 stones to translate the

 plates from “Reformed Egyptian” to English. He placed the plates in a hat, the placed the stones

over the plates to read the inscriptions. Mr. Oliver Cowdery was the scribe that took down eachletter that was called out by Smith, who was behind a curtain. After Smith would spell out a

word he would ask Cowdery to state it back to him to ensure accuracy.

This record tells the Ancient American record of two Jewish families. The First Migration 2250

BC = Jared and family, and a Second Migration 600 BC = Lehi and family which became 2

 Nations: Nephites and Lamanites. In 385 AD Lamanites killed all Nephites and became

Principal ancestors of Native Americans.

This has many problems.

Archeological Record is extinct: 600 B.C. – 421 A.D.

• Steel (1 Nephi 4:9 ) and Copper (Mosiah 8:10) – Did not Exist at the Time

• Compass (1 Nephi 18:21 ) – 1800 Years Before the Compass was Invented

• Cimeter - Curved Sword (Enos 1:20) – Unknown in 500 B.C.

• Cow, Horse, Ox, Ass, Goat (1 Nephi 18:25) – Not Here Before 1492

• Nephite Coins (Alma 11) – No seons, ezroms, senums, ontis found

Q: Are there any other secular or religious classical / ancient writings that indicate that there ever were the Nephites, Laminites, City of Boutiful, etc? ___ Yes ___ No

Have any LDS Archeologist found ANY indication of Iron smelting during 421AD?

 ____ Yes ___ No

Has the Hill Cumorah been excavated at all? ____ Yes ____ No

Have any chariots, shields, weaponry from the 2 million people that died at Cumorah been

found? ____ Yes ___ No

Did you know that..

An LDS Archeologist (Dr. Matheny) says that, “… overall assessment is that archaeology offersno support for the Book of Mormon as history: "I would say in evaluating the Book of Mormon

that it has no place in the World whatsoever."

 ___ Yes ____ No

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MINOR ERRORS?????• 1981 Edition says: “ About this edition: Some minor errors in the text have been perpetuated

….This edition contains corrections that seem appropriate….”

 – 1 NEPHI 13:40:

• 1830: “…the Lamb of God is the Eternal Father”• 1981: “…the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father”

 – MOSIAH 21:28:

• 1830: “…that king Benjamin had a gift from God….”

• 1981: “…that king Mosiah had a gift from God….”

 – NOTE: At Mosiah 6 King Benjamin died, replaced by Mosiah

 – 2 NEPHI 30:6:

• 1978: “…they shall be a white and delightsome people”

• 1981: “…they shall be a pure and delightsome people”

 – ALMA 29:4: Underlined words deleted in all editions 1840–1980

• “…allotteth unto men, yea, decreeth unto them decrees which

are unalterable, according to their wills…”

QUESTIONS TO THE MORMON:

Joseph Smith taught that the Book of Mormon “was the most correct of any book on earth…aman would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.”

(History of the Church, vol. 4, p. 461)

? Which Book of Mormon is “most correct”? 1830 or Current?

? Why would any corrections be needed if Smith repeated back to Cromwell EVERY letter

of EVERY word to ensure accuracy? Remember, this was suppose to be a DIRECT

revelation from the ACTUAL GOLD PLATES…

? What are the “precepts” taught in the Book of Mormon that are not found in any other

book?

? Where does the Book of Mormon teach the following LDS doctrines?• God has a body of flesh and bones

• God is married in heaven

• There are many Gods• Temple participation is necessary for exaltation

3 Nephi 11:39-40: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, that this is my doctrine.…and whoso shalldeclare more or less than this, and establish it for my doctrine, the same cometh of evil….”

Galatians 1:8 says, “ But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you

than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed .”

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JOSEPH THE PROPHET, SCRIBE, AND TEACHER 

“When a man goes about prophesying, and commands men to obey his teachings, he must

either be a true or false prophet. False prophets always arise to oppose the true prophets and

they will prophesy so very near the truth that they will deceive almost the very

chosen ones.” — Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 1976, p. 365

QUESTION:

Do you believe that any person claiming to be a prophet is a true prophet? ______ Y/N

QUESTION:

What should be the test?

DEUTERONOMY 18:20-22: “But the prophet ….shall speak in the name of 

other gods, even that prophet shall die….When a prophet speaketh in the name of 

the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which theLORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously….”

 – Did Joseph Smith teach of “other gods”?

 – Did Joseph Smith’s prophecies come true? 

Joseph Smith’s God is an “exhalted man”.

“God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man…I am going to tell youhow God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all

eternity. I will refute that idea…He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the

Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did.”

 — Teachings of the ProphetJoseph Smith, pp. 345-346

The Biblical God is Eternal, Self-Existing Spirit

JOHN 4:24: “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and

in truth.”

HOSEA 11:9: “…I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee.…”

ISAIAH 43:10-11: “Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD… that ye may know and

 believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither

shall there be after me.”

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Joseph Smith even contradicts his own Book?

ALMA 31:15: “…we believe that thou art God... that thou art a spirit, and that thou

wilt be a spirit forever.” (c.f. Alma 18:26-28; 22:9-11)

MORONI 8:18: “For I know that God is not… a changeable being; but he isunchangeable from all eternity to all eternity.”

Joseph Smith Taught that

God is NOT Omnipresent:

“Some would have us believe that God is present everywhere. It is not so.”—BrighamYoung, 1859, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 345

“It has been said, therefore, that God is everywhere present; but this does not mean that

the actual person of any one member of the Godhead can be physically present in morethan one place at one time.…plainly, however, His person cannot be in more than one

place at any one time.”—James E. Talmage, The Articles of Faith, (1890), 1966ed., p.43

God is NOT a Spirit but an exhalted man of flesh and bone:

“The greatest heresy found in Christendom is that God is a spirit, an essence that fillsimmensity.…”—Bruce R. McConkie, The Millennial Messiah, p. 77

God is NOT All Powerful“Yet, if we accept the great law of eternal progression, we must accept the fact that there

was a time when Deity was much less powerful than He is today.”—Seventy Milton R.

Hunter, The Gospel Through the Ages, 1945, p. 114

God NOT All Knowing and Changes

“God himself is increasing and progressing in knowledge, power, and dominion, and

will do so, worlds without end.”—Apostle Wilford Woodruff (who would eventually become 4th Prophet), 1857, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 120

God is not Soveriegn and NOT all Powerful“…Elohim is God simply because all of these intelligences honor and sustain Him as

such.…if He should ever do anything to violate the confidence or ‘sense of justice’ of 

these intelligences, they would promptly withdraw their support, and the ‘power’ of God

would disintegrate.”—BYU Professor W. Cleon Skousen, The First 2000 Years, p. 355

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The Bible teaches that,

God is not a man and is spirit:

 HOSEA 11:9: “…I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee.…”

 NUMBERS 23:19: “God is not a man , that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he

 should repent.…”

 ROMANS 1:22-23: “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed 

the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man.…”

There is only ONE true God by nature (you can make a god out of anything):

 ISAIAH 43:10-11: “Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have

chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me therewas no God formed, neither shall there be after me.”

God has always been God:

 PSALM 90:2: “Before the mountain were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed theearth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God .”

 HABAKKUK 1:12: “Art thou not  from everlasting  , O LORD my God, mine Holy

One?.…”

God Does not Change:

 MALACHI 3:6: “For I am the LORD, I change not .…”

 JAMES 1:17: “Every good gift…cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is

no variableness, neither shadow of turning .”

 I KINGS 8:39: “…give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest:

(  for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men;)”

God is Sovereign

"Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?"

(Jeremiah 32:27 KJV)

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There is ONE God and We (by nature) Cannot be God:

Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye

may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God

formed, neither shall there be after me. Isa. 43:10

Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no 

gods. Gal. 4:8

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD: Deut. 6:4

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PLEASE EXPLAIN:

Book of Mormon: One GodAlma 11: 27-31

27 And Amulek said: Yea, there is a true and living God. 28 Now Zeezrom said: Is there more

than one God? 29 And he answered, No. 30 Now Zeezrom said unto him again: Howknowest thou these things? 31 And he said: Anaangel hath made them known unto me.

2 Nephi 31:2121 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the

away; and there is

 bnone other way nor 

cname given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold,

this is theddoctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the

eFather, and of the Son, and of 

the Holy Ghost, which isf one God, without end. Amen.

Mormon 7:7

7 And he hath brought to pass thearedemption of the

 bworld, whereby he that is found

cguiltless

 before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to

d

dwell in the presence of God in hiskingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with theechoirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and

unto the Holy Ghost, which aref one God, in a state of 

ghappiness which hath no end.

 Nephi 11:27

27 And after this manner shall yea baptize in my name; for behold, verily I say unto you, that

the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are b

one; and I am in the Father, and the Father inme, and the Father and I are one.

Doctrine and Covenants: Plurality of GodsSections

121:32;

32 According to that which was aordained in the midst of the  bCouncil of the Eternal cGod of allother gods before this

dworld was, that should be reserved unto the finishing and the end thereof,

when every man shall enter into his eternale presence and into his immortal

f rest.

132:20, 3720 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from

aeverlasting

to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject

unto them. Then shall they be b

gods, because they havecall power, and the angels are subject

unto them.

37 Abraham receivedaconcubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him

for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and bJacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none

other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their cexaltation,

according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods.

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Book of Mormon: God is a SpiritAlma 18:26-28

26 And then Ammon said: Believest thou that there is aaGreat Spirit?

27 And he said, Yea.

28 And Ammon said: This is God. And Ammon said unto him again: Believest thou that this

Great Spirit, who is God, created all things which are in heaven and in the earth?

Alma 22:8-11

8 And now when Aaron heard this, his heart began to rejoice, and he said: Behold, assuredly asthou livest, O king, there is a God.

9 And the king said: Is God thataGreat Spirit that brought our fathers out of the land of 

Jerusalem?

10 And Aaron said unto him: Yea, he is that Great Spirit, and heacreated all things both in

heaven and in earth. Believest thou this?

11 And he said: Yea, I believe that the Great Spirit created all things, and I desire that ye should

tell me concerning all these things, and I willa believe thy words.

D&C: God has a BodySection 130:22

22 TheaFather has a

 b body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy

Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of cSpirit. Were it not so, the Holy

Ghost could notddwell in us.

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Book of Mormon: God dwells in the heartAlma 34:36

36 And this I know, because the Lord hath said he dwelleth not in aunholy temples, but in the b

hearts of thecrighteous doth he dwell; yea, and he has also said that the righteous shall sit down

in his kingdom, to go no more out; but their garments should be made white through thed blood

of the Lamb.

D&C: God does not dwell in the heart

Section 130:3

3 John 14:23—Theaappearing of the Father and the Son, in that verse, is a personal

 bappearance; and the idea that the Father and the Son

cdwell in a man’s heart is an old sectarian

notion, and is false.

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Book of Mormon: God’s Word UnchangableAlma 41:8

8 Now, the decrees of God areaunalterable; therefore, the way is prepared that

 bwhosoever will

maycwalk therein and be saved.

D&C: God’s word can ChangeSection: 56:4-6

4 Wherefore I, the Lord, command andarevoke, as it seemeth me good; and all this to be

answered upon the heads of the b

rebellious, saith the Lord.5 Wherefore, I revoke the commandment which was given unto my servants

aThomas B. Marsh

and Ezra Thayre, and give a new commandment unto my servant Thomas, that he shall take up

his journey speedily to the land of Missouri, and my servant Selah J. Griffin shall also go with

him.6 For behold, I revoke the commandment which was given unto my servants

aSelah J. Griffin

and Newel Knight, in consequence of the b

stiffneckedness of my people which are in Thompson,

and their rebellions.

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Book of Mormon: Church started in 147BCMosiah 18:17

17 And they were called the church of God, or theachurch of Christ, from that time forward. And

it came to pass that whosoever was baptized by the power and authority of God was added to hischurch.

Bible: Church started in 33 ADMt. 16:18

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the

gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Acts 2

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Bible says God is spirit without flesh and bone

John 4:24

God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

Luke 24:39

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not fleshand bones, as ye see me have.

Book of Mormon says that God has a body of flesh and boneD&C 130:22

TheaFather has a

 b body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost

has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of cSpirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost

could notddwell in us.

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JOSEPH THE PROPHET?

“When a man goes about prophesying, and commands men to obey his teachings, he must

either be a true or false prophet. False prophets always arise to oppose the true prophets and

they will prophesy so very near the truth that they will deceive almost the very

chosen ones.” — Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 1976, p. 365

What do these following statements indicate?

 Note that the prophecies and promises which are in the D&C "shall all be fulfilled." If even oneremains unfulfilled, then this also is a false prophecy. D&C 1:37

"I say now, when they [his discourses] are copied and approved by me they are as good Scriptureas is couched in this Bible . . . " (Brigham Young: Journal of Discourses, Vol. 13, p. 264; see

also page 95.)

Deut. 18:20- But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have notcommanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall

die.

Deut. 18:22: When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor 

come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken

it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Would it be safe to say that if Brigham Young, Joseph Smith, or any of the LDS Prophets were

wrong in any prophecy, then they would be considered a false prophet and worthy of death? ___Yes __No

Would it be safe to say that Brigham Young stated that what ever he wrote and approved is astrustworthy as the Bible and should be seen as inspired from God and infallible? __ Yes __ No

If this is the case then please explain how the following prophecies came to pass:

MORMON DEBTS WILL BE PAID: April 23, 1834. D&C 104: 78-83. God's promise

to deliver the Saints from their debts. "It is my will that you shall pay all your debts." The

Lord will soften the hearts of their creditors.

FULFILLED?: Joseph Smith and other prominent Mormons had to flee Kirtland to avoid

their creditors, leaving debts of thousands of dollars unpaid. Smith ultimately filed bankruptcy.

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FAR WEST TEMPLE: April 26, 1838. D&C 115. Revelation concerning the city of Far 

West, Missouri, and the building of a temple there. God commands the temple to be built;

the church will be gathered to Zion (Missouri), which will be "for a defense, and for arefuge from the storm." Work on the temple is to commence in the summer of 1838, with

construction to begin April 26, 1839, with work to continue "diligently until it shall be

finished, from the corner stone thereof unto the top thereof, until there shall not anythingremain that is not finished." (v. 12) Verse 17: "I say unto you, it is my will that the city of 

Far West should be built up speedily by the gathering of my saints."

FULFILLED?: The temple cornerstone was laid, but no more work was ever done and

the temple is still not completed. Far West was abandoned by the Mormons soon after 

this revelation. It would appear that the building of the Far West temple was not the work 

of God, since God's work cannot be frustrated (see D&C 3:3).

Sept 22-23, 1832. D&C 84:2-5, 31 Zion will be built with its temple at Independence,

"in this generation". This generation shall not all pass away until the temple will be built

upon the spot. Orson Pratt in 1870 reiterated the prophecy (JD 9:71, 10:344, 13:362) andinsisted that it will come to pass within the generation living in 1832.

Dec 16, 1833. D&C 101:17-20 Zion (Missouri) shall not be moved out of its place; the

Saints will receive their inheritance there, and there is no other place than Missouri

appointed by God for the gathering of the Saints.

QUESTIONS:Is Zion in now in Independence MO? ___ Yes ___ No

Is there any one living now that was alive in 1832 [that would make them 166 years old)?

 ___ Yes ___ No

Please read D&C 1:37 and tell what that means? ___ Yes ___ No

Please read Deut. 18:20 and tell me what that means? ___ Yes ___ No

According to Brigham Young, what is he himself calling himself?____________________ 

 Note that the prophecies and promises which are in the D&C "shall all be fulfilled." If even one

remains unfulfilled, then this also is a false prophecy. D&C 1:37

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“Joseph …received a revelation that some of the brethren should go to Toronto, Canada, and

that they would sell the copy-right of the Book of Mormon… they failed entirely to sell the

copy-right, returning without any money…

We asked Joseph how it was that he had received a revelation from the Lord for some

 brethren to go to Toronto and sell the copy-right, and the brethren had utterly failed in theirundertaking. Joseph did not know how it was, so he enquired of the Lord about it, and behold

the following revelation came through the stone:

‘Some revelations are of God: some revelations are of man: and some revelations are of the

devil.’ 

So we see that the revelation to go to Toronto and sell the copy-right was not of God, but was of the devil or of the heart of man.” —David Whitmer, An Address to All Believers in Christ, p. 31

If Joseph Smith couldn’t tell which of his “revelations”

were of God and which ones were of the Devil, how do

you know which “revelations” of Joseph Smith to

believe?

Do you really want to place your eternal destiny in a

man who didn’t know where his revelations where

coming from? 

Do you really want to place your eternal destiny in a

man who, by his own definition, is a false prophet and

should be rejected?

If you are wrong about the person, nature, and work 

of Jesus Christ, you are wrong enough to loose youreternal soul…

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THE PRIESTHOOD

Does Mormonism Restore the Aaronic and Melchizedek 

Priesthoods? 

“For every high priest taken from among men is ordained... that he may offer both gifts

and sacrifices for sins... And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for

himself, to offer for sins. And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called

of God, as was Aaron.” — Hebrews 5:1, 3-4 

QUESTION:

What Tribe are you from? Manasseh / Ephraim / Judah / Levi /

Dan / Benjamin / Joseph Smith claimed that he was of the tribe of 

Ephraim.

Please explain the following to me?

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QUESTION:Since Jesus couldn’t even hold the Aaronic Priesthood, how can you hold it?

11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people

received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the

order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 13 For he of whom

these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe , of which no man gave attendance

at the altar. 14 For [it is] evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe

 Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood. Heb. 7:11-14

* Jesus was of the tribe of Judah not Levi. Jesus has no right to the Aaronic Priesthood.

QUESTION:I also have another question that really bothers me, doesn’t the Book of Mormon declare a curse

on anyone with Egyptian blood ?

ABRAHAM 1:21-22, 26-27 (The Pearl of Great Price):

“Now this king of Egypt was a descendant from the loins of Ham, and was a partaker of the blood of the Canaanites by birth. From this descent sprang all the Egyptians, and

thus the blood of the Canaanites was preserved in the land…Pharaoh, being a righteous

man… his father…cursed him as pertaining to the Priesthood. Now, Pharaoh being of 

that lineage by which he could not have the right of Priesthood…”

GENESIS 41: 50-52

“And unto Joseph were born two sons… which Asenath the daughter of Potiphera

priest of On bare unto him. And Joseph called the name of the firstborn Manasseh…and

the name of the second called he Ephraim.”

QUESTION:Ephraim and Manasseh’s mother was not only the Egyptian daughter of a high ranking official to

Pharaoh, but Potipherah was a priest of the city of On just north of Memphis Egypt, which was

the center of sun-worship (Ra).

How can you have the blood of an Egyptian Priest and NOT be disqualified from the

Aaronic Priesthood?

Not only that but, Joseph Smith HIMSELF declared that he was of the lineage of Ephraim

which by according to Abraham 1, negates Joseph as being a Priest..

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QUESTION: HEBREWS 7: 1, 3-4, 26-27

Are you “without father or mother ”? _____ 

QUESTION:Are you also “without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life”? _____ 

QUESTION:Are you “holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, made higher than the heavens”?

 ______ 

QUESTION:

If you CANNOT say “yes” to all the above questions, then how can you hold the Melchizedek 

Priesthood if Jesus was the only one ever qualified to hold that priesthood by virtue of a holy,harmless, undefiled, sinless, eternal life?

QUESTION:

There can be only one high priest at a time according to the law, so does that mean JesusDEAD?

Jesus is not Dead because He lives forever, and because of this, He is still the High Priest and

still holds the office and will forever hold that office, thus disqualifying anyone else’s claim to

that office.

QUESTION:MORONI 10:32: “Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all

ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your

might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be

 perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God.”

Have you denied yourself of “all ungodliness”?

Since Jesus’ grace is not sufficient for you until you have cleared “all ungodliness” out of your 

life, how can you be “perfect in Christ”?

How can you receive His “grace” for salvation, if you haven’t stopped sinning and are not

walking “blameless before God,” being sufficiently humble, stripped of pride and envy?

Can you honestly say you have done “all” you can do for salvation?

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EXPLAIN:

Rom. 3:10 – “As it is written, “There is none righteous, no not one.”

Moroni 10:32 says that GRACE is not an option until you have rid yourself of all

unrighteousness, and

Rom.3:10 says that there is none righteous.

This means your not going to make it !!!

There is good news.. Joseph’s theology was wrong..

WILL YOU ALLOW ME TO SHARE WITH YOU THE TRUE

JESUS OF SCIPTURE?

PLEASE, LET ME SHARE WITH YOU HOW THE REAL JESUS

CAME, WAS CRUCIFIED, BURIED, AND ROSE AGAIN SO

THAT WE CAN HAVE ETERNAL LIFE?

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The Christian Authority:

Jesus is THE HIGH PRIEST.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1 Tim.2:5

Heb 3:1). "Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesusthe Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not a high priest which cannot be

touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet

without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy,

and find grace to help in time of need," Heb 4:14-16).

•  Joseph Smith was not blameless, he had to have surgery on a bad leg.

In the first ten verses of Hebrews five, the inspired writer shows that in every respect, JesusChrist is qualified to be High Priest. And, in fact, God had put Christ in this position.

God had said: "You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek ," (see Psa.110:4; Heb. 5:6). [After making this affirmation, the writer went into a discussion about the

condition his readers were in; they were "dull of hearing," see 5:11-6:19. He returns to his

teaching concerning Melchizedek in chapter seven.]

Thus, the primary affirmation of this section of the Hebrew epistle is:

Jesus became high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedeck.

It means that Christ was not a High Priest, as in Aaron and the Levitical order (according to the

law of Moses). The High Priesthood of Jesus Christ -- the writer is affirming -- is of a higher 

order! Christ was and is a High Priest like Melchizedek; not like Aaron or Levi. Note thefollowing:

1. Melchizedek's position as High Priest was not dependent on ancestry... neither was Christ's.(7:14).

2. Melchizedek was not in a succession of many priests... neither is Christ. (7:3).

3. Melchizedek's priesthood was higher than and separate from the Levitical order... so is

Christ's. (7:4-7).

4. Melchizedek was priest and king... so is Christ! (See Zech. 6:9-15).

5. Melchizedek received tribute from Abraham, the father of the Jewish nation; this shows thesuperiority of Melchizedek's priesthood above the Levitical (which came out of the loins of 

Abraham). {See Gen. 14:18-20 with Heb. 7:4}. 

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All of this was set up, executed and revealed by God, for the purpose of convincing the Jews -

their old Levitical priesthood was now history. The broader point of application was: Their old

law was now abrogated. For the Levitical priesthood and the old law were bound together; onewas a subordinate part of the other. Thus it followed -- if the priesthood is changed, "there is

made of necessity a change also of the law," (Heb. 7:12). 

For us what does this mean? It means that the law of Moses is not binding today. And it means

that we have a high priest (access to God)! "For such a high priest became us, who is holy,

harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens. Who needeth

not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the

 people's; for this he did once, when he offered up himself." (Heb. 7:26-27).

"Wherefore, he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing 

he ever liveth to make intercession for them," (Heb. 7:25).  

"You also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up

spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ … But you are a chosen

 generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim

the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light" 1 Pet 2:5-9

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The Mormons teach a “complete” and universal apostasy from the true Gospel and this was tohave taken place from 70AD and not be restored until 1830.

“My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right,that I might know which to join.…I was answered that I must join none of them, for  they

were all wrong ; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an

abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt .…”

 —Joseph Smith—History 1:18-19

“ Nothing less than a complete apostasy  from the Christian religion would warrant the

establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.” —History of the Church, vol. 1, p. XL

However, the Bible states that,

 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church;

and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Matt. 16:18

 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Matt: 24:35 – 

 Mar. 13:31 – Luke 21:33

 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it:

 for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Rev.

3:8 

"I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go forth and bring forth fruit, and 

that your fruit should remain" John 15:16

2 Tim. 2:2 "The things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same

commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also."  

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It is my understanding from reading Joseph Smith’s first account of the vision from

 History of Joseph Smith The Prophet - History of the Church, Vol. 1, Chapter 1 - 5,

that he states this:

15 After I had retired to the place where I had previously designed to go, having looked around 

me, and finding myself alone, I kneeled down and began to offer up the desires of my heart toGod. I had scarcely done so, when immediately I was seized upon by some power which entirely

overcame me, and had such an astonishing influence over me as to bind my tongue so that I 

could not speak. Thick darkness gathered around me, and it seemed to me for a time as if I were

doomed to sudden destruction. 16 But, exerting all my powers to call upon God to deliver meout of the power of this enemy which had seized upon me, and at the very moment when I was

ready to sink into despair and abandon myself to destruction—not to an imaginary ruin, but to

the power of some actual being from the unseen world, who had such marvelous power as I had never before felt in any being—just at this moment of great alarm, I saw a pillar of light exactly

over my head, above the brightness of the sun, which descended gradually until it fell upon me.

17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound.

When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and 

 said, pointing to the other—this is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!

18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I 

might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to

 speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects wasright (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong  )—and which I 

 should join.

19 I was answered that  I must join none of them, for they were all wrong ; and the Personage

who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight ; that those

 professors were all corrupt ; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far  from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but 

they deny the power thereof.”

JOSEPH SMITH—HISTORY. EXTRACTS FROM THE HISTORY OF JOSEPH SMITH,

THE PROPHET.  History of the Church, Vol. 1, Chapters 1-5 

In other words:

1 – NO Church had it right – They were ALL WRONG2 – ALL Creeds were an “abomination”

3 – ALL Teachers were corrupt.

The Church was without a witness on this earth from 70 AD to 1830 when Joseph came

along.

If God cannot fail and he says that His words would not pass away, and the gates of hell would

not prevail against the fact that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God, then please EXPLAIN

how could there have been a UNIVERSAL APOSTACY in which GOD WAS WITHOUT A

WITNESS from 70AD to 1830’s?

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UNIVERSAL APOSTACY

Let’s discuss what this really means… Help me to understand where I might be wrong.

DID THE EARLY CHURCH FALL INTO TOTAL APOSTASY? 

The Bible teaches and orthodox Christians through the ages have believed that the true Church

was divinely established by Jesus and could never and will never disappear from the earth

Matthew 16:18;

 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the

 gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

John 15:16;

Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring 

 forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my

name, he may give it you.

John 17:11;

 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father,

keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are].

Christians acknowledge that there have been times of corruption and apostasy within the Church, but believe there has always been a remnant that held fast to the biblical essentials.

By contrast, the Mormon Church teaches that there was a great and total apostasy of the Church

as established by Jesus Christ; this state of apostasy "still prevails except among those who

have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel " of the Mormon Church

(Gospel Principles, pp. 105-106; Mormon Doctrine, p. 44).

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What would this mean?

JESUS WAS A LIAR:

"I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" (Matthew 16:18).

•  According to Mormon teaching, the Christian Church, though established by Jesus Christ

Himself and His hand-picked apostles, fell into total apostasy almost immediately.

•  How interesting, then, that a century-and-a-half after the "Restoration," the LDS Churchis presented as virtually impervious to spiritual ruin.

•  For instance, one of the LDS Church's major instructional books, Gospel Principles(copyright by the Corporation of the First President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints), assures us that "The Lord will never allow the president of the Church

to teach us false doctrine."

•  Joseph even states that he himself TRUMPS Jesus when he writes:

o  "I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large

majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away

 from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet " ( History of 

the Church, 6:408–409)

•  This assertion raises an important question:

o  if God is now able to guarantee the perpetual integrity of this

"Restored Church" by protecting its spiritual leaders from error,

why could He not do so in the first century?

"I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go forth and bring forth fruit, and that your 

 fruit should remain" John 15:16

•  Greek: meno = "endure, continue

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THIS APOSTACY WOULD MEAN

THE NEW TESTAMENT WRITERS WERE LIARS

“I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a

little strength, and has kept my word, and has not denied my name. Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation” (Revelation 3:8,10).

The last New Testament book, Revelation was written about A.D. 95 by which time, according toBrigham Young University professors Hugh Nibley, Robert Matthew's, and Stephen Robinson the work 

of the apostates who corrupted the New Testament is supposed to have been in full swing. However,John records Christ's personal commendations of the churches at…

Smyrna (Rev. 2:9-11)

I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of themwhich say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan. Fear none of those things whichthou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast [some] of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shallhave tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. He that hath an

ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of thesecond death.

Philadelphia (3:7-13) for standing fast against immorality and false doctrine. Jesus tells the congregation

at Philadelphia:

 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a

little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Behold, I will make them of the

 synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to comeand worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Because thou hast kept the word of my

 patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try

them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man takethy crown. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more

out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

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NEW TESTAMENT WRITERS WERE INADEQUATE IN THEIR INSTRUCTION?

2 Tim. 2:2 "The things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same

commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also."  

If universal apostasy immediately followed the apostles, either these inspired instructionswere inadequate, or the apostles themselves failed to follow them.

“18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me inheaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing 

them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to

observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo , I am with you always , [even] tothe end of the age." Amen.” Matt. 28:18-20

 Heb. 13:5- [Let your] conduct [be] without covetousness; [be] content with such thingsas you have. For He Himself has said, "  I will never leave you nor   forsake  you." 

 HEBREWS 12:28: “Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved  , let ushave grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear.”

THE DISCIPLES OF THE APOSTLES WERE APOSTATE?

IgnatiusPolycarp – disciple of John the Baptist

Iraneus – 

•  “True knowledge is [that which consists in] the doctrine of the apostles, and the ancient constitution

of the Church throughout all the world, and the distinctive manifestation of the body of Christaccording to the succession of bishops, by which they have handed down that Church which exists inevery place, and has come even unto us, being guarded and preserved, without any forging of Scriptures, by a very complete system of doctrine, and neither receiving addition nor [suffering]

curtailment [in the truths which she believes]”

These are men that endured through some of the most horrendous persecution the Christian church as ever 

seen by many of the most Godless Roman Emperors the World has ever seen.

 Not to Mention:

•  Martin Luther,

•  Zwingli,•  Knox,

•  Wesley,

•  Calvin,

If Joseph Smith Jr. is right, then ALL the early reformers are dead wrong.And it is the same tenets that we teach.

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This “First Vision” was written less than 200 years ago and has already undergone at least THREEconflicting story revisions.

•  The first account mentions only Jesus appearing and does not include God the Father 

•  Some have an angel appearing and others have multiple angels appearing.

•  The OFFICIAL story by the LDS church has God the Father appearing with Jesus

o  Since this vision is dated prior to Smith’s ordination to the Priesthood, this would conflictwith HIS OWN WRITINGS in D&C 84:21,22 – “without the authority of the Priesthood,

no man can see the face of the God even the Father, and live.” 

•  1827- a spirit appeared to Joseph telling him of a record on gold plates at age 17.

•  1827- an angel appears to Joseph telling him he has been chosen to be a prophet and bring forth arecord on golden plates at age 18.

•  1830 and angel tells Joseph were to find a secret treasure and he returns there once a year for several

years before obtaining the plates.

• 1832- Jesus Christ appears to Joseph at age 15.

•  1834- An angel appears to Joseph in his bedroom at age 17

•  1835- Two personages appears to Joseph in a grove at age 14

•  1835- Many angels appears to Joseph in a grove at age 14

•  1838- God the Father and Jesus appears to Joseph in a grove at age 14

•  1844- Two unidentified personages appear to Joseph at age 14

Furthermore, about 1832 Joseph Smith, Jr. began an account of the origin of the Mormon Church (the

only one written in his own hand) that contradicts the official First Vision story he dictated some six yearslater. The account was never finished. (See the text in BYU Studies, Spring 1969, pp. 278ff.)

In this version Joseph presents himself between the ages of 12 and 15 as being a committed and

 perceptive reader of the Bible. He claims that his study of the Scriptures led him to understand that all of the denominations were wrong. He wrote: "By searching the Scriptures I found that mankind did not

come unto the Lord but that they had apostatized from the true and living faith and there was no

society or denomination that built upon the Gospel of Jesus Christ as recorded in the new

testament." 

Six years later, when he set forth his official First Vision story, he decided that he never had reached

the firm conclusion that all churches were wrong from his study of the Bible. Instead, he claimed

that it was during a vision of the Father and the Son that he first learned this information. He

presented this as coming as a great surprise, for he added parenthetically -- "for at this time it had

never entered into my heart that all were wrong." 

That statement even contradicted what Joseph had said a few paragraphs earlier in the same account.There he claimed that "I often said to myself ...Who of all these parties are right; or are they all

wrong together?" 

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Although the former statement appears in the original manuscript (see BYU Studies above, pg. 290),Even without those words, however, the 1838 official account is in conflict with the 1832 version.

•  In the 1832 account it is his Bible reading that stirs him to seek God,

•  While in the 1838 story it is a non-existent revival that motivates him.

•  In the 1832 version he claims to have seen ONLY Christ,

•  While in the 1838 rendition both the Father and the Son appear.

•  In the 1832 account he already knows all the churches are wrong,

•  While in the 1838 story it is the dual deities who first inform him of this.

Different people may have different views of the same event, but when one person tells

contradictory stories about ONE event , he completely loses his credibility.

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QUESTION:If Joseph Smith’s First Vision is true, why did he give contradicting accounts of it?

QUESTION:

If it is true that God told Joseph that “all” the “creeds” of the churches were an “abomination” toHim, what is so abominable about the Apostle’s Creed?

 – “I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth. And in Jesus Christhis only Son our Lord; who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary,

suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried; he descended into hell

[i.e., the grave, Acts 2:27, KJV ]; the third day he rose again from the dead; he ascended

into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence heshall come to judge the quick and the dead. I believe in the Holy Ghost; the holy catholic

[unified] Church; the communion of saints; the forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the

 body; and the life everlasting.

AMEN.” —  Apostles Creed, 542 A.D.

QUESTION:

If not “all” of the creeds of Christendom were “abominable” when Joseph Smith received

his First Vision, how could God have authored it?

QUESTION:

Since Joseph Smith admitted that “some revelations are of the Devil,” how do we know he

wasn’t deceived by Satan when he received his vision?

In Joseph Smith’s translation of Exodus 33:20, he states: “…And no sinful man hath at any

time, neither shall there be any sinful man at any time, that shall see my face and live.”

Since no man would ever “at any time” see God the Father’s face, how can Joseph claim

to have seen the Father at his First Vision?

 Not only that but “Adam-God” could not have looked upon His OWN Face! 

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QUESTION:

Are you standing before God wearing your own selfrighteousness “garment” of pride, or

are you clothed in the “wedding garment” provided by the KING?

 – ISAIAH 64:6: “But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as

filthy rags.” [menstrual clothes]

God is not impressed with our works…

 – ROMANS 10:2-4: “For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not

according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going

about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the

righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”

QUESTION:

Do you know for certain if you were to die today, you would have “eternal life” with God?

 – 1 JOHN 5:11-13: “…God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Hethat hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These

things have I written unto you that… ye may know that ye have eternal life.”

22And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said: 2 "The kingdom of heavenis like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son, 3 and sent out his servants to call those

who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come. 4 Again, he sent out other 

servants, saying, 'Tell those who are invited, "See, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen andfatted cattle are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the wedding."' 5 But they made light of 

it and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business. 6 And the rest seized his

servants, treated them spitefully, and killed them. 7 But when the king heard about it, he wasfurious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. 8 Then

he said to his servants, 'The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. 9

Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.' 10 So those

servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad andgood. And the wedding hall was filled with guests.

11 "But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on awedding garment. 12 So he said to him, 'Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding

garment?' And he was speechless. 13 Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot,

take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'Matt. 22: 1-13

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THE GOSPEL:

God Demands RIGHTEOUSNESS: [20] For I say unto you, that except your righteousnessshall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the

kingdom of heaven. (Mat 5:20 KJV)

Man is NOT RIGHTEOUS: [10] As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: (Rom3:10 KJV)

SIN leads to DEATH: [23] For the wages of sin [is] death;…” (Rom. 6:23a KJV)

God made a way for LIFE: “…but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our 

Lord. (Rom 6:23b KJV)

God added humanity to His Diety and walked among us. 100 man / 100 deity: “And the

Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only

 begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (John 1:14 KJV)

The sinless Christ became our sin so that we could share in HIS righteous: [21] For he hath

made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of Godin him. (2Cr 5:21 KJV)

CHRIST DIED for US: [8] But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we wereyet sinners, Christ died for us. (Rom 5:8 KJV)

REPENT AND BELIEVE: [15] And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God isat hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. (Mar 1:15 KJV)

THE GOSPEL COST GOD EVERYTHING, YET IT IS SIMPLE: [3] But I fear, lest by any

means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted fromthe simplicity that is in Christ. (2Cr 11:3 KJV)

THE GOSPEL: [1] Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached untoyou, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; [2] By which also ye are saved, if yekeep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. [3] For I delivered

unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the

scriptures; [4] And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to thescriptures: (1Cr 15:1-4 KJV)

OUR SALVATION IS DUE SOLE TO THE GIFT OF GOD: [8] For by grace are ye savedthrough faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (Eph 2:8 KJV)

Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thyhouse.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine

heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

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Taken from BYU;s Website.. Joseph the Seer..So The Lord reveals to Joseph over 116 pages of the Book of Lehi which Joseph painstakingly

interprets and faithfully writes down as scripture. The Lord allows Martin Harris to show the

manuscripts to his wife and friends. Apparently somehow, the 116 pages are lost by Joseph or Martin and the Lord say, don’t re-translate because they have fallen into the hands of evil men.. .

When: July 1828

Where: Harmony Township, Susquehanna County, Pennsylvania, USA (Joseph Smith Jr. home

site)

Who: Joseph Smith

What: After serving as Joseph’s scribe for a little while, Martin Harris asked for permission to

show the 116-page manuscript to his wife and other family members. After inquiring of the Lordseveral times, Martin Harris was finally granted permission to show the manuscript to his wife,

his brother, his father and mother, and his wife’s sister.

Source: D&C 3; First published as chapter 2 in the Book of Commandments in 1833; see alsoHistory of the Church 1: 21-23

When: Summer 1828

Where: Harmony Township, Susquehanna County, Pennsylvania, USA (Joseph Smith Jr. home

site)

Who: Joseph Smith

What: The Lord lets Joseph know that the lost 116 pages (Book of Lehi) have been found byevil men, and he is instructed to not translate those pages again.

Source: D&C 10; First published as chapter 9 in the Book of Commandments; see also Historyof the Church 1: 20-23

Just a thought, maybe Joseph didn’t really want to translate the book again because he

forgot what he wrote the first time and a translation would no doubt have to be EXACTLY

as it was the first time or the two could be compared and found false.

It is interesting that the God gave the revelation to Joseph to write down then decide, ah

well, they didn’t need that book anyway..

Scripture has fallen into the hands of evil men before and God was more that powerful

enough to preserve it.. Why didn’t He with the book of Lehi if it were important enough toreveal the first time.