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    Table of ContentsBeing Human.......................................................................................................................................................1

    Beginning of the Beginning................................................................................................................................2

    A letter to the Editor...........................................................................................................................................5

    This much I can believe......................................................................................................................................7

    Religion as Ideology............................................................................................................................................9

    Return of the Medieval World.........................................................................................................................12

    Feedback for Post "Return of the Medieval World"..............................................................................16

    The Crusades and Us........................................................................................................................................19

    Filling the Vacuum............................................................................................................................................22

    800 years after the Conquest............................................................................................................................25

    Feedback for Post "800 years after the Conquest".................................................................................28

    Virus of Faith.....................................................................................................................................................29

    Sam Harris on Faith.........................................................................................................................................32

    Religion is a Danger..........................................................................................................................................36

    Can Science be a substitute for Religion?.......................................................................................................39Feedback for Post "Can Science be a substitute for Religion?"............................................................43

    Do we need Religion for Morals?....................................................................................................................44

    What is the Bible?.............................................................................................................................................47

    Feedback for Post "What is the Bible?".................................................................................................50

    Christmas without Jesus...................................................................................................................................52

    Feedback for Post "Christmas without Jesus".......................................................................................55

    What is the Meaning of Life?...........................................................................................................................56Feedback for Post "What is the Meaning of Life?"...............................................................................59

    What makes Holy Books holy?........................................................................................................................60

    Feedback for Post "What makes Holy Books holy?"............................................................................63

    The burden of the Free Will.............................................................................................................................64

    Feedback for Post "The burden of the Free Will"..................................................................................67

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    Table of ContentsA Hall of Fame for the Founders of Religions................................................................................................68

    Feedback for Post "A Hall of Fame for the Founders of Religions".....................................................71

    Can Science be a substitute for Religion?, Part Two.....................................................................................73

    Feedback for Post "Can Science be a substitute for Religion?, Part Two"............................................76

    Why do Congregations need to meet regularly?............................................................................................78

    Faith and Ideology............................................................................................................................................81

    Feedback for Post "Faith and Ideology"................................................................................................84

    Author's friends................................................................................................................................................85

    About the author...............................................................................................................................................86

    Pageviews...........................................................................................................................................................87

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    Being Human

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    Beginning of the Beginning

    Welcome to the weird world of finnish atheism. This blog is a companion to my Ajatuksia olemisesta -blog at

    the address http://uskoitseesi.blogs.fi. My aim is to summarize here the contents of that blog for the

    international audience.

    My finnish atheism-blog has raised considerable interest in Finland and its pages have been loaded over 50

    000 times during the past year.

    What makes me think that anybody in the wider world would be interested in thougts of a finnish journalist,

    who has during the last year embedded himself in the world of the newest atheistic literature?

    I really can't know for sure in advance if there is any such interest, but nothing will stop me from trying!

    Ajatuksia olemisesta -blog came in to being a year ago, when I spent my winter vacation -week studying Sam

    Harris and Richard Dawkins and watching the amazing videos from the Beyond Belief -seminar.

    I have been an atheist all my life, but especially Sam Harris made me think about things in a wider perspective

    and finally I came to the conclusion that also I could have something to give to the world.

    After that I have read among others a lot of Christopher Hitchens, Pascal Boyer, Daniel Dennett, Victor J.

    Stenger and Michel Onfray. I think I now have a quite clear picture of what the newest surge of atheist

    thinkers and writers are talking about.

    I will start translating a condensed version of my finnish writings. I will do the work myself, and I would be

    very grateful of any critisism. The work will be painfully slow, as I already am fully employed as an active

    journalist in the day and entrepreneur in the evenings and week-ends.

    Here is a few words about myself, which I have written earlier as an intruduction in my one of my websites:

    As an entrepreneur I offer computer-related aid in my hometown, which is situated about 54 kilometers

    northwest of the Finnish capital city Helsinki.

    My hometown is a peaceful inland city of 36 000 inhabitants and is known in Finland as a famous

    apple-growing region. Therefore my hometown likes to call itself The Apple Village.

    I am a journalist who likes to play with computers. I also like to help people with computer-related problems.

    Normally I edit the economics-section of the local newspaper, but twice a month I take leave of normal dailyhumdrum of economics and try to tell my readers about things that I think every computer-user should know.

    I am also a regular contributor for the Finland s largest computer magazine Mikrobitti for which I do

    computer-related news-stories.

    I have also written a comprehensive guidebook of the OpenOffice 1.0 -suite. The already obsolete book was

    published by Edita-publishing but is no longer available in Finland.

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    This much I can believe

    I believe that man created god as his own image.

    I believe that the science or morals that were current 2000 years ago are not usable anymore. Nobody believes

    any of the truths that were believed 2000 years ago. We don t believe that earth is flat or that is okay to have

    slaves as people really believed 2000 years ago.

    Despite this some people believe that 2000 years ago was discovered a final solution to the basic questions of

    life and death and nothing further needs to be discovered 2000 years later.

    This forthcoming collection of writings bites to the core of these old and tired beliefs that are still current in

    our societies for various historical ja sociological reasons.

    Inspiration for these writings comes mainly from Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett, Christopher

    Hitchens, Michel Onfray and Pascal Boyer, whose books and videos have been the basic source of for all of

    this work that will unfold before your very eyes on this blog in the coming weeks and months.

    The final eye-opener for me was Sam Harris's remarkable appearance in a ITConversations podcast. Heuttered out loud the same thoughts that I had been harboring since I was a 13-yard old schoolboy.

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    Religion as Ideology

    Lately I have been perplexed by the fact that religions often can t be criticized in the same manner as other

    ideologies or belief-systems. Nobody takes offence if I say that communism is a old-fashioned and stiff

    system of thought, but if I say the same things about Islam, I will be accused of racism or islamophobia.

    However, religion is not a genetic feature of any man. It is a learned ideology or belief-system in exactly the

    same way as communism or fascism.

    Our thinking is blurred by the fact that religions are to a large extent inherited in families, since these

    belief-systems are learned at home or at school. This learning almost always happens when we are not mature

    enough to make up our own mind in these matters.

    Religious ideologies are often followed in families for several or even dozens of generations. Religion

    becomes a often a self-evident fact. People often don t even realize that are any other options than the

    traditional religion of their family and neighborhood.

    This is a fact of life especially in the communities that have no clear-cut boundaries between the religious and

    secular authorities. Religious ideology can be the main motivator for the whole community and criticizing the

    religion can be interpreted as treason.

    The whole idea of changing one s religion can be totally alien in these societies and they simply can t

    understand the fact that religion is a ideology and not a unchangeable part of personality.

    Especially difficult the chance of heart is in the Islamic countries where death is often the ultimate penalty for

    renouncing the Islam. Christians should not forget that giving up religion warranted death penalty in the

    Europe also for centuries.

    In the face of it, it can be hard to remember that criticizing a faith is not the same as criticizing a person that

    adheres to that faith, as often as it is understood in that manner. One can always be easily cured from

    following a rotten ideology, as it requires nothing more than a chance of heart.

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    Christianity and Islam are different than communism in that they claim that their main selling points are not of

    human origin and they cannot therefore be criticized in the same manner as other ideologies are. They are

    above thence above all criticism and it is often blasphemy even to criticize them.

    Islamic world is a just now in a very similar situation as the communist world was a couple of decades ago. A

    tremendous ideological pressure is forced in the members of these societies and criticizing the ruling ideology

    is often not real possibility at all.

    Islamic world is often seen in the West as a monolithic mass, as the old communist world was seen. Often we

    know nothing about the pressures that are building under the faade of ideological unity.

    The hold Islam has in these societies is far greater than the hold communism had in the satellite countries. In

    Islamic countries there is a far greater number of dedicated followers of the ruling ideology than communism

    ever had. Neighborhood watches and spying of all citizens are easily organized.

    Long rule has made the Islamic system of teaching the default way. In several countries a very large

    proportion of population will never know of anything else than the truths of Islam.

    There can be an illusion of a unified population, as could arise in the communist era. A traveler in the oldSoviet Union could wander for weeks without encountering anybody that would profess to opposing the

    regime. There are Islamic countries where a wrong word about religion can land you in very deep trouble

    indeed.

    However Islam needs not to be an oppressive force in societies. Turkey is a fine example of a Islamic country

    where religion has been sidestepped and society as a whole has been largely freed of its stranglehold. This

    road is open to all Islamic countries, if the matter is taken seriously and necessary action is taken.

    Religion can be a private matter also in Islamic countries as it has been in the Christian West for a long time

    now. Christianity had in the medieval times a stranglehold of all the western societies for centuries that pales

    the grip of today s Islam. Christianity s example shows very clearly that religions can mutate and evolve

    when societies around them are changing.

    The renaissance of the Islamic world cannot however begin before religion releases its icy grip from the neck

    of these societies. Islamic religion must first give up it s earthly powers, as Christianity has already done in

    the West.

    It is in our own interests to do everything we can to facilitate and accelerate this kind peaceful chance in the

    Islamic world, as the ideologically unified Islamic communities in our midst are a growing threat to our

    liberties, if they persist in pursuing political and ideological goals that are incompatible with otherwise

    commonly held goals in our societies.

    This essay is something I originally wrote a couple of years before I discovered the work of Sam Harris and

    Richard Dawkins. Ireprint it here because it raised just the issues that made me light up instantly when I

    discovered their thoughts. Message of this piece is also still very current...

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    Return of the Medieval World

    The very basic problem with the modern Islam is that it has been frozen in a state of no development for

    several centuries. In contrast most Christian denominations have evolved and changed considerably during the

    last centuries. They have been forced to change because of the upheaval in their social environment.

    Unchanging Islam is dragging the societies around it back to states of development that these societies have in

    fact passed a long time ago. Islam tries to force societies back to social values that have universally been

    discarded a long time ago, as societies have evolved.

    Especially the status of women has changed radically in societies outside the realm of Islam, but Islamic

    world tries stubbornly to hold on to medieval patriarchates patterns of conduct. Islam forces women to

    situation that simply could not and cannot be tolerated in developed western societies anymore.

    Basic problem is that Islam holds the values and thoughts of its adherents locked in a way that no other large

    world-religion does anymore.

    In developed western and Asian societies religion has been transferred to a matter of personal conscience.

    Religion does not have power over arts, science or education anywhere outside Islam.

    Collapsing power of religion is in fact the one single most decisive factor that has propelled the western world

    to its road to prosperity and social evolution.

    Freedom of thought has made possible the countless new discoveries and new ways of doing things. This

    development has fostered progress in all levels of our societies. Our whole societies have risen to a new level

    of achievement because of freedom of thought.

    The same positive development has been going on also in the realms of eastern world religions. They don t

    try to stop all new thinking, as Islam does in it s worse.

    The mainstream religions of Japan and Korea can currently be seen as ways of understanding the society and a

    mode of conduct, and not the all-encompassing way of life and thinking that Islam has evolved to.

    I believe that the way religion holds down new thinking is enormously crucial to any society s economic and

    social development. I believe that economic growth has a very strict correlation with freedom of thought that

    the ruling religion permits in any society.

    Modern science, modern way of thinking and modern way of seeing fellow humans all originated in Ancient

    Greece. The reason for this explosion of new ideas was in their religion or the lack of it.

    This religion of the Greeks had one enormously important quality that made this phenomena possible. It was

    the first state religion that did not interfere in thoughts of the individuals.

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    It was good enough to honor and respect these gods, but they did not care what their followers were doing and

    thinking in their spare time. And by Jove, think they did!

    This fantastic development came to an abrupt end when extremely stiff and inflexible Christian state church

    came to power in empire of Rome. The social and economic development of Christian western societies froze

    for centuries as freedom of thought was completely annihilated.

    Only the new beginning brought on by renaissance and age of Enlightenment made these shackles of religion

    go away. Slowly the western societies could attain again the state of development that had been reached athousand years ago in a society where freedom of thought was possible.

    In this light it is possible to see why the Islamic world is so badly and sadly left behind in the economic and

    sociological development that has made western societies the current economic powerhouses of the world.

    In Islamic fundamentalist movement sees westernization and rise of individual choice as the prime cause of

    problems that their societies are now facing. I think that on the contrary the basic problem in their societies is

    lack of freedom and individual incentive that drives economic and social development in western societies.

    Religion that prohibits free thought and new ways of doing things slows down the development of its society.

    These societies will fall more and more behind in economic, social and cultural development if nothing isdone.

    Western economic and military supremacy are now seen as a direct insult to Islam. Every human being wants

    to be proud of his own country and his surroundings. As Islam was absolute ruler of very big portion of this

    planet not so long ago, the current state of affairs is very difficult to accept in the Islamic world. It creates

    shame, which transforms into a rage that can erupt very violently.

    Let s take a little thought-experiment. Would United Stated have evolved to what it currently is, if it would

    have been governed be the Christian fundamentalist movement from the day one?

    The creators of US of A were extremely secular folks and they very suspicious of any religious involvement

    in affairs of the government. This policy paid very soon handsome dividends, as the ensuing freedom of

    thought propelled United States among other things to its current trajectory of development and power.

    The same development can be kick started also in Muslim world, if this religion renounces its position of

    secular power, as the western and eastern state religions have already done in a good measure.

    Christian churches or Japanese Shinto have no more secular power, but they exist in affluent societies that can

    take proper care also of the sick and elderly and provide a safe environment for spiritual growth of its

    members.

    A similar development is always possible also in Islamic world. This religion needs not to be thrown

    completely overboard, but it must adjust itself to the changing world. Only thing that is missing is the ability

    of its religious leaders to accept the changes that have been taking place around them.

    Islam has been a force of change in its history. When Islam was young, it was a liberating force for millions

    who had been languishing under the iron rule of christian state church in the Byzantine world.

    In those days Islam was new and undogmatic and its conquests opened a tremendous opportunity for science

    and new thinking. The teachings of Ancient Greece could be studied again and science made a tremendous

    leap forward in the islamic world.

    Those heydays of Islam are now nothing but a cherished memory, as Islam has evolved to its recent position

    as the most dogmatic and stiff religion there is. However history clearly shows that Islam can also be a force

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    of change.

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    I've had similar thoughts about Islam and its relationship to Europe, but I don't see any likelihood of its

    mullahs giving up their theocratic power. This is because that vests them with untouchable authority and

    keeps the questioning voices silent by threatening heresy and fatwa. In exactly the same way, Christian

    reformers were threatened with excommunication and burning by the theocracy of the Roman Catholic

    church, as wielded by numerous subordinate states. If you look at what happened to Jan Hus in the early 15th

    century and contrast his fate with that of Martin Luther 100 years later, you can see what effect the printing

    press had on generating popular support for reforming voices.

    I don't hear many moderate reformers in the Islamic world because there is no equivalent power given to the

    press and the popular culture actively discourages dissent. The idea of debating "eternal verities" is notencouraged, as Erasmus and Aquinas would have done to search out the truth, but is decried as a fracturing of

    the uma (community).

    Until they can get over the fear of discussion, they will continue to be governed by reactionaries and

    isolationists who, paradoxically, seek to impose their doctrine on everyone else.

    Jeremy Minton [Visitor]

    02.02.2009 @ 14:50

    If Western commentators wish to lecture the Islamic world (or anyone else for that matter) they might find

    their homilies go down better were they to avoid lecturing from a period of moral superiority. Not only is it

    impolite, it shows a poor understanding of ones own social and political history.

    American citizens might find the trumpeting of democratic values sound a little hollow from a country which

    was still practising racial segregation two hundred and fifty years after the signing of the Declaration of

    Independence. The United Kingdom (that fearless champion of women's rights) did not grant the vote to the

    female half of the population until the mid 1920s and when they did so it had much less to do with the decline

    of religion as a social force than with the fact that the country had killed off several million of its own young

    men. And it was not until the 1970s that legislation was passed to prohibit pay discrimination on grounds of

    gender.

    Islamic fundamentalism (like its Christian cousin in the US - the one the which condemns homosexuals, wants

    to deny women the right to control of their own bodies; that acts to block medical research which might cure

    terrible diseases...) thrives in a product of ignorance and imposed helplessness which translates into rage. If

    we in the West were serious about reducing the impact of fundamentalism then we could start by reducing the

    things which feed it. We stop selling guns and cluster bombs and implements of torture to dictators who will

    use them on their own people and on innocent civilians. We could stop exploiting local resources to feed our

    own insatiably profligate life-styles. We could stop trying to fix our own insatiable demand for drugs by

    dropping bombs and defoliants on subsistence farmers.

    Only if we ever get around to improving our own behaviour with regards to the environment and the people

    who share our planet will it be either sensible or morally justifiable for us to start lecturing the rest of the

    world.

    Zaid [Visitor]

    02.02.2009 @ 15:45

    I like what you have to say. Speaking as a Muslim, I have to agree, that currently, the way we practice our

    religion is actually holding us back. Once a upon time, the Islamic world was the pinnacle of scientific

    progress.

    But today, the religion that bred such wonder is actually having the opposite effect.

    But i think every great empire experiences this. Being crunched under weight of it's own greatness.

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    The Crusades and Us

    There is a surprisingly widespread belief also in the West that the Islamic world is still suffering from trauma

    caused by the Crusades. It is believed that this trauma is still causing major friction in the relationships

    between the West and Islamic world.

    This is typical western self-flagellation, where it always our own fault if somebody hates us.

    If Crusades have caused so widespread trauma in the Islamic world, why is there not similar trauma in the

    western world from the bloody wars of conquests that brought then completely Christian Egypt, Syria and

    Northern Africa under Islamic rule or from the much more recent Muslim onslaughts on Balkans, when the

    Romanians, Bulgarians or people of Greece were brought under the rule of Islam following bloody wars of

    conquest?

    If the wild swordsmen from the desert would not have brought these areas under the rule of Islam, they would

    not have suffered the economic and social consequences of rule by a stagnant, stiff and unbending religion

    that has hindered the economic, social and cultural development of these areas during the last few centuries.

    On the contrary I believe that the hatred flowing freely in the Islamic world comes form much more recent

    things. There is much hurt pride and low self-esteem that are a direct consequence of the fact that freedom

    from grip of an all-encompassing state religion has propelled the west to a social and economic development

    that has seen no rivals before in the history of mankind.

    In the same time Islamic world has suffered in the grips of a rigid, dogmatic and stiff religious system that

    prohibits similar developments.

    There is no real reason why this situation needs to be the case. After its initial conquests the Islamic world

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    was for centuries far more advanced and free in cultural and economic terms than the western world. Western

    Europe suffered in that time under the iron rule of dogmatic, stiff and unbending Christianity of that era.

    New Islamic rulers were welcomed with open arms all over the Byzantine and western Roman areas they

    conquered, as these areas were experiencing a period of pogroms of Christians harboring heretical thoughts.

    The Arabic rulers were a tiny minority in their newly acquired territories and they needed to thread carefully

    not to incite revolt. Islamic religion was also a very new and un-dogmatic phenomenon. All this combined

    created a flourish of culture and economic wealth that is remembered fondly in the Islamic world.

    The fall of Christian mental dictatorship in the West following the Renaissance, Reformation and Age of

    Enlightenment released there immense powers of imagination and creation, that propelled these countries to

    their path of growth and ultimate military power.

    In the same time Islamic world experienced a exactly reversed development. Islamic faith and religion froze

    during centuries of Middle Age to a extremely dogmatic system of thought that prohibited all new thinking in

    all areas that were under its rule. This loss of mental freedom also froze the economic development of the

    Islamic world.

    Islamic world was soon left behind in all areas of development. Ultimately large areas of the Islamic worldwere even falling under the rule of western nations that were benefiting from their newly found freedom of

    thought.

    Western rule of the large parts of the old Ottoman empire after the WWI was a final insult to the Islamic

    community. It showed very concretely how the balance of power had shifted. This moment should have been

    a moment for retrospect and analysis for the reasons of the weakness of the Islamic world, but the moment

    was wasted.

    The Islamic world has no chance of recovering its former glory if it does not see the crucial importance of

    ability of bringing new ideas to mold the society.

    Any society that is frozen to long gone social mores and passions is doomed when world around is chancing

    in astonishing speed.

    Islam can manage such a chance, but only if its adherents realize the reasons for its current weakness.

    Christianity did undergo just this kind of change a few hundred years ago and it paid handsome dividends to

    all societies adhering to it.

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    Filling the Vacuum

    Religions were created to fill a vacuum in minds of the people. All major world religions were created at a

    time when people did know next to nothing about their environment, world or the universe. The role of

    religion was to fill that vacuum and give same kind of an explanation of the world for those wanted or needed

    one.

    In the then prevailing state of total ignorance things could still be explained away in a very coarse way by

    simply making up stories that sounded plausible in some way. These stories simply don t hold up to closer

    examination anymore.

    The need for such coarse explanations has vanished with the rise of science. We do now have satisfactory

    explanations for the structure and workings of the whole universe. We don t need those old stories that

    nomads told to each other on the evenings to pass the time away anymore.

    Christian European state churches have been recently wise enough to bow away always when new

    information has been discovered and more of the original vacuum of knowledge has been filled with real

    information.

    However it must be pointed out that at first also the western churches did all they could to stem the tide of

    science and real information.

    Eventually however western churches had to give away under the pressure when findings of the science

    changed the societies around them irreparably. Churches lifted their arms in despair and surrendered quietly at

    the onslaught of victorious science.

    The European Lutheran churches were transformed enormously in the process. They are not real users of

    power anymore, but they have been changed into toothless caretakers of rituals and soothers of minds. The

    seekers of real scientific facts don t need to fear for their life in their realms, as their predecessors did just a

    few hundred years ago.

    Religion has no real role in the Western Europe in explaining the workings of the universe anymore. People

    who try to still do so are treated as maniacs in most parts of Western Europe. Unfortunately situation is not as

    rosy in other parts of the world; especially in the United States and the Islamic world.

    The fundamentalist movements in the USA and Islamic world are still trying to hold back the scientific

    explanations of our world. They cling to explanations of the universe that are quite universally found to be

    simply outdated and false.

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    800 years after the Conquest

    There is a quite recent monument in my Finnish home town Lohja that commemorates the date when 800

    years had passed since inhabitants of this area were converted to Christianity.

    Tradition tells that on that day there arrived a group of swordsmen from the West that invited localinhabitant to update their religion to a more modern version.

    Almost all Finns are in agreement in that the end result was for the best. Those swordsmen brought Finland to

    the hemisphere of the Western culture. Because of them Finland did not became a part of the diocese of the

    Muscovite patriarch and eventually the Russian hemisphere.

    The Western European countries have since those days undergone a miraculous transformation into a one of

    the most tolerant multicultural societies the world has ever seen. The Finns of today would have great

    difficulties in adjusting themselves to a more intolerant or dogmatic faith.

    Even the version of Christianity that is preached behind the eastern border of Finland is much more backward

    and intolerant as this our very own Lutheran Church is now.

    Albeit, things were not this great 800 years ago. Christianity of that day did in fact have no understanding or

    tolerance for any deviations from any of its beliefs. Everybody else was a pagan that needed to be brought

    under the sway of Christianity.

    The fine gentlemen that were on a excursion in my hometown 800 years ago were absolutely certain that they

    had the final knowledge of the final and absolute truths about everything. They were also absolutely certain

    that any beliefs hold by the local people were wrong and meant nothing.

    Undoubtedly the gentlemen participating in the exercise were motivated by ideology of the church. But in the

    background there was a quite secular quest for power that was fulfilled with these Crusades sanctioned by thePope.

    This on the surface very religious excursion was in fact to a great extent only a shield for secular hunger of

    conquest and new domains.

    A similar conquest and destruction of local customs and culture would be universally condemned today. There

    is no historical records of those bygone days and we don t know for sure what happened during those fateful

    summer days on 800 years ago.

    We can still safely assume that my forefathers did not voluntarily gather to be stripped of their age old

    customs and rituals and freedom.

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    It is a quite distinctive possibility that there was also much ugly violence before the well armed swordsmen

    from the West could make the local peasants came to the conclusion that Christianity was the way to go in the

    future. All we know for certain is that history is always written by the winners.

    We can of course hope that our forefathers very anxious to get rid of their ancient customs and they willingly

    gathered to hear of the new religion the foreign swordsmen were bringing with them.

    It is too painful to think that our own Western civilized society would have its beginnings in a surprise attackmade by band of foreign mercenaries attacking a peaceful population minding its own business.

    Those people were our own forefathers whose old culture and traditions were suppressed completely during

    the next few centuries.

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    Virus of Faith

    One of main themes in Richard Dawkins great book 'The God Delusion' is the virus of faith that infects people

    often in their early childhood.

    He points out that evolution has developed a child s brain in such a way that small children quite

    automatically accepts all the things that are presented to them from a position of authority.

    Richard Dawkins says out that this feature has been extremely useful and even crucial for the continued

    existence of humanity. It is not possible to have a child himself testing the truth in claims such as Don t go

    to the river, as the crocodiles will eat you' or 'Don't jump from the cliff'.

    Very often those who did not believe their elders at all would not have lived long enough to have offspring.

    Religions learned very soon to misuse this inbuilt feature of man. It is the real reason why all the modern

    monotheistic religions want to get hold of children as soon as they start understanding spoken language.

    The younger a child is subjected to the brainwashing of the religion, the better the chance of him of her

    accepting these teachings without ever questioning them.

    In a very similar vein the creators of modern belief-systems like Communism and Nazism wanted to get hold

    of children at the kindergarten and they got magnificent results.

    In the end, there were tens of millions of believers who did not question the value or contents of these

    teachings learned in the early childhood, even though the reality around them would at he end often be

    strongly contradictory to these teachings.

    Things that are learned at the earliest childhood are the most persevering and they are often not treated as

    learned things at all. This is the reason why church elders are so keen on getting hold of children at the earliest

    moment possible.

    When your ability at reasoning has not yet developed, even the most idiotic things can be treated as given

    facts. Things learned in the earliest childhood can reside in one s mind for the rest of his of hers life without

    carrier being aware of their origins.

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    Richard Dawkins thinks that is distasteful even to talk about catholic of protestant children as religion is not a

    genetically transmitted feature of any man. Religion is often learned from parents, but child is never a catholic

    or protestant at birth.

    You never say that a child is a stamp collector or chess player at birth, even if his parents are deeply into these

    things. There is a still a widespread misconception that religion can be in a mysterious way transmitted to a

    child at birth.

    This view persists even though a child from protestant family will be raised as a Muslim if he is removed to aMuslim family soon after birth.

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    Sam Harris on Faith

    The American author and scientist Sam Harris thinks that our ability to criticize and make an analysis of

    religions is more important than anything else that is in our own power to change.

    Our world has been balkanized because of these incompatible religions, says Sam Harris. He reminds that all

    these religions believe that their God has written the one book their very own religion is based on.

    Sam Harris says that criticizing religions has been made to be a taboo. He points out that the evolution of

    technology makes the terrorist inspired by religions more dangerous than ever before.

    A man hiding in a cave in Afghanistan can cause tremendous havoc with his laptop computer. Therefore

    fanatical followers of religions are a greater danger than ever before.

    The ban imposed by the Catholic Church on use of condoms is in Sam Harris s mind a criminal offence,when millions of people are dying of AIDS in Africa every year. The taboo preventing criticizing religions

    prevents as calling a spade a spade in also these matters.

    Sam Harris reminds us that we can freely criticize the opinions of those who deny Holocaust or of the people

    who think that Elvis is not dead. People are deemed crazy if they hold beliefs that are not testable at any way,

    but when focus shifts to religions, the rules are changed.

    Strong faith very often changes totally believer s way of thinking, says Sam Harris. A person who has taken

    up a faith will see the whole world differently. He reminds that in the United States over half of the citizens

    want to stop teaching of the evolution. Sam Harris says that faith is driving this country into wilderness of

    ignorance.

    These beliefs have also a direct impact on the foreign policy of the United States. The fact that many

    Americans think God in his role as a universal real estate agent has given the state of Israel to Jews is

    affecting country s foreign policy.

    Also the stem cell research is in deep trouble in United States. Religious circles have attacked it, because

    discarded human embryos are used in it.

    Sam Harris demands that these kinds of beliefs should not be tolerated anymore. He asks how often we are

    required to honor peoples erroneous beliefs regarding biology or history. Sam Harris asks why is it so that

    when similar erroneous claims are made in the name of religion, they should be re respected?

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    Religious moderation is a problem for Sam Harris, as he thinks that moderates are giving a cover for the

    extremists behind which they can freely operate. Sam Harris points out the same religious moderates are just

    the people who have created the rules that prohibit the criticizing of faiths and religions.

    Sam Harris reminds us out that there are a very many kinds of religions. He asserts that Islam is a basically a

    very violent religion, whose core beliefs include jihad and martyrdom. Sam Harris thinks that however it is

    very difficult to imagine Tibetan Buddhist suicide bombers. In same vain a Jain turned fundamentalist is only

    evermore more nonviolent.

    Sam Harris says that fundamentalist Islam is not caused by social or economical problems tai insufficient

    education, but it is based on the basic principles of Islam. According to Sam Harris the greatest threat is a

    situation where a man is educated enough to build a nuclear bomb, but at the same time he believes that he

    will get 72 virgins in paradise after his death as a martyr.

    Religious moderation is to Sam Harris moral bankruptcy as moderates stick to the nice and polite points of

    their religions. According to Sam Harris even the Bible gives ample base for a cruel and violent belief-system

    that can taken to use whenever it is needed.

    Sam Harris says that even religious moderation can make it difficult to make rational decisions in a society.

    Problems arise always when views are not based on facts, but age old stories and beliefs.

    Sam Harris claims that the main problem with religion is that it prevents discussion and debate. Many people

    think that they need no other justification for their opinions, if these opinions are based on religious beliefs.

    According to Sam Harris only a religious person can say in conversation that nothing will change his opinion

    as it is based on faith alone.

    Sam Harris thinks that should be possible to talk about the holy books and things happening after death in a

    similar vein as everything else in the society.

    The most frightening thing for Sam Harris is the belief held by many fundamentalist Christians that the end is

    near and Jesus will soon return to Earth.

    He fears that nuclear holocaust would be a good thing for them, as it would tell them that the moment they

    have waited for so long is at hand. This is an extremely dangerous idea for Sam Harris, especially if people

    harboring this thought are involved in running a county in possession of nuclear weapons.

    Sam Harris reminds us that because of religions there are people dying every moment. Religion is a divisive

    factor in many societies. Sam Harris claims that even political differences or racial hatred cannot divide

    societies as deeply as religions can. He thinks that to get rid of religious wars we should get rid of religious

    dogmatism.

    Mystical or spiritual experiences need not to be religious, says Sam Harris. He says that by meditation one can

    achieve a strong spiritual experience without any religions being involved.

    Sam Harris thinks that it is possible to create a society where people can face the idea of their inevitable death.

    Sam Harris says that one doesn t need religion for that, but even death can be faced in a rational way.

    Strong belief in life after death diminishes the fear of dying, but Sam Harris reminds that this belief can also

    be very dangerous. Sam Harris points out that if there is a human being controlling an array of nuclear

    weapons who has no fear of death, the end results can be catastrophic for the whole humanity.

    This brief summary of Sam Harris s thinking is based mainly on a lecture given by him in the Long Now

    Foundations Idea City 05 seminar. You can watch the actual 23 minutes long presentation at

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    Religion is a Danger

    Professor and best-seller author Richard Dawkins reminds us that even though we treat our century as a

    Century of Reason, the religious extremists are on the move as strongly as ever before.

    Why should science sneak quietly away always when religion is mentioned, asks Richard Dawkins. He thinks

    that reasonable people should already say that enough is enough. The religious thinking is preventing open

    debate in our societies and it divides people to separate mutually hostile groups. Richard Dawkins says that

    religion is simply dangerous.

    Richard Dawkins reminds us that a person is hold exemplary in religious circles if he or she can completely

    forget about reality and can accept the all claims made by religions without demanding any proof for those

    claims. The ability to face reality is to Richard Dawkins always a better option than giving false hope.

    Richard Dawkins thinks that religion and science can never exist peacefully side by side, as science is based

    on open analysis of the facts in the real world. Conclusions made in science can always be altered if new facts

    are discovered. Faith on the other hands demands that critical analysis is pushed completely aside.

    Science puts forward models and hypothesis that it tries to prove to be wrong. Church on the other hand puts

    untested claims forward as final truths that can never be altered in any way.

    In religions the mere fact that a claim is old can make it a proven fact. For example the claim that mother of

    Jesus was risen to the Heavens in the moment of her death was conceived round the year 600, and during the

    following centuries it was hoisted to be among the beliefs of the Catholic Church. It was finally formalized to

    the catholic faith as recently as in the 1950 s. Now all Catholics must adhere to this belief.

    Richard Dawkins says that we do now have the ability to understand the workings of the universe through the

    knowledge that science provides to us, and religion is no more needed to explain anything.

    The great discovery made by Charles Darwin was the fact that life as we know it has been evolving though

    millions of years through natural selection. According to Richard Dawkins there has been no need for a great

    designer. The misconception of great designer just brings up the question of who designed the designer.

    Still the evangelical right of the United States is driving the Intelligent Design to supplant evolution as an

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    explanation for cause of life. According to recent studies a whopping 45 percent of the Americans believe in

    creation instead of evolution.

    Richard Dawkins thinks that the greatest danger in fundamentalist thinking is the fact that their worldview is

    often changed to a completely black and white one without any shades of gray. Fundamentalist forget that

    world is a very complex place and they are retreating to a very childish certainty.

    They need only one truth which is told to them by their evangelist who is often giving them also a set of

    outright lies.

    Richard Dawkins says that we are living in an age of deadly polarization, when religious fanaticism is also in

    the rise in the Islamic world. The most frightening thing to Richard Dawkins is the fact that these fanatics do

    think that they are doing the good thing.

    The irrational base of religions feeds intolerance and hatred, says Richard Dawkins. Every religion claims that

    its holy book is the right one. He says that even if the political problems may be the prime cause, the suicide

    bombers are created only when people hold unchangeable notions of being holders of absolute and infinite

    truths. Killing for a religion is according to Richard Dawkins wrong but also incredibly stupid thing to do.

    Richard Dawkins reminds that all people are atheists towards most Gods. Even Christians are atheists, whenthe God in question is Baal, Thor or Neptune. Many just go one god further.

    This presentation of Richard Dawkins central ideas is based loosely on the television documentary named

    The God Delusion that Richard Dawkins made for the BBC.

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    Can Science be a substitute for Religion?

    The faith of an individual has no consequence for the society as a whole if this faith is kept as a private matter.

    There is no problem in having an even very strongly held faith if other people are not required to live or act

    according to it.

    The same basic fact applies naturally to all ideologies. Any ideology does not endanger the democratic society

    as long as it only tries to influence other members of the society so that they would want to adhere to it.

    That s the way democracy should work, after all.

    A faith is no more a private matter if because of this ideology there is a tendency to forcefully change even the

    behavior of those who do not share this faith. These kinds of faiths can be criticized in the same way as any

    other ideology is criticized.

    Religion is a always a problem when it makes the members of a community to behave irrationally and when

    followers of a faith try legislate or control other peoples life with rules based only on their own faith.

    Faith-based ideologies are in fact a much bigger problem in this sense than ordinary political movements.

    A normal political party can change its party line when situation or society changes as they inevitably always

    do. When ideology is based mainly on a 2000 year old book, it is much more difficult to adjust it to a

    changing world.

    The western Christian churches have in fact undergone a tremendous change in recent era. The Western

    churches of today don t want to kill the heretics, nor have they a desire to burn people they think as witches

    anymore.

    The changes in modern society are however happening in such a fast pace that the traditional religious

    communities have had great trouble in following it. A sad fact is that in western societies only some religious

    communities are those where women or gay people do not have the same rights as others.

    If this is the case, is there anything that could take the role of religion in giving moral support to the members

    of a society?

    I think that a faith in science is the only alternative, if there must be a thing you must believe into. If you

    believe in science you do believe in the whole accumulated wealth of knowledge the whole mankind has

    collected during its existence.

    The greatest thing is that the view and vision of the world around us would be updated as the knowledge of

    this world is enhanced in any way, if you genuinely believe in science.

    However there has been no will or preparedness to build any such faith based on science alone, as any faith is

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    a definite no-no to scientific community as a whole, even if this faith would be based on the science itself. The

    mere word faith carries too much ballast with it.

    A faith is understood as not changing your views according to chancing facts. The scientific community at

    large would have nothing whatsoever to do with any faith or religion.

    Belief in science could however be the real modern way to believe. Why then in a society that in totally based

    on science and its findings, there is not to my knowledge any true science-based faith or religion?

    Living without a readymade and easy-to-learn belief-system requires so much from an individual that

    everybody in a society will never have what it takes to do it. There should be on offer an alternative

    belief-system that is based on science, which could be an alternative to modern faith-based religions.

    There are a lot of people who belong to various religious communities for the comforting presence of other

    people, friendship and spiritual experiences they would at the moment get from nowhere else. The very

    thought of an all-knowing and vengeful God is in fact often alien to them.

    There could be in existence communities for Believers of Science that could gather regularly to hear the latest

    news in science where this need for companionship and presence of other people would be met. The

    communities of Believers of Science could also offer spaces where mothers could load off their offspring for amoment as happens in various Sunday schools.

    Mystical experiences are often a strong reason for membership in different faiths. Countering this would be a

    real challenge for the Believers of Science. But especially Sam Harris has shown that also very scientifically

    oriented person can also be involved in finding the frontiers of his mind and even can be experiencing altered

    states of mind.

    Extremely intensive moments reached with aid of meditation, incense, dim lights and intensive common

    experience are possible also in a when retaining scientific frame of mind.

    The biggest task for modern religions is arranging the various rites of passage the society needs. Religious

    ceremonies are used to announce a new baby to the world, to tell that a boy has became a man, or a man and a

    woman has became one of finally when death has taken its toll.

    Believers of Science could easily create an organization where its experienced and wise members would go to

    families telling them about the important thing to know in these moments of passage from a state of life to

    another.

    They would talk smoothly and wisely about life and its wonders drinking caffeine with the elders of the

    family and they would comfort those in need of comforting. There would eventually of course be a need for

    locations to hold these rites of passage.

    I am sure that many others have already dwelled in this thought-game before. It covers all the major roles the

    religious communities have left in the modern societies.

    No part of these things requires any knowledge or belief in any supreme being. All these are regular tasks that

    need to be done in any society, but religions are doing these things at the moment, as there is not offered any

    real alternatives.

    The big question is would even I myself join this organization I have jokingly called the Believers of Science?

    I don t think so, as any membership in an organization that could be in any way hindering my free thought is

    an anathema to me, as it is to almost all atheists. Therefore there are no real science-based faiths, as a faith by

    definition should require laying an even rudimentary groundwork of rules.

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    The atheist community is often compared to herd of cats; there are no common goals or even common rules of

    anything, and that is for the best.

    It is a shame though, as a lot of hatred, prejudice and oppression would disappear from the world, if people

    would be cherishing real knowledge and not basing their lives on a document created in some ancient

    communities of nomads.

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    "any membership in an organization that could be in any way hindering my free thought is an anathema tome"

    The problem with many of the arguments rejecting religion is that they also end up rejecting community and

    group forming. And the only way to get big projects (like reversing climate change and extending economic

    equality) done is to get people working together. I think there are ways to form groups that don't hinder free

    thinking - much. Admittedly, anytime you get people acting in a crowd there is some loss. But the other

    choice - the one the world more and more embraces - beggars us completely. Extreme liberal individualism

    sees group association of any kind as irrational. Without organization we must cast ourselves upon the

    mercies of the market. And in doing so join the group of default, the that takes as its core precept the belief

    that a mob of consumers is the force best equipped to guide civilization.

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    I quite agree with you Nathanael, as I was really only speaking about forming an "atheist church", but I do

    think an atheist should or even must be politically active and have higher purposes in life-

    I really think an atheist should believe in such things as equality, social justice and furthering freedom of

    thought, that do seamlessly fit into atheist way of thinking also:

    Never doubt that a small group of committed citizens can change the world. Indeed is the only thing that ever

    has.- Margaret Mead

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    Do we need Religion for Morals?

    Often the main argument for religions is that only religion can bring morality to a society. It is even believed

    in some circles that there can be no morality without religion.

    The morality that is in use in our developed societies does however bear no resemblance to the morality that

    was current in the nomadic society described in the Old Testament thousands of years ago.

    Sam Harris reminds us, that we would not look lightly at the human sacrifice planned by Abraham and we

    universally condemn slavery that was quite okay also for Jesus.

    The morals preached by the western Christian churches have changed considerably after the Age of

    Enlightenment. Western state churches have adjusted their views on morality according to the morals that has

    been taken into use in societies around them.

    If the Bible would still be the real source of our morals, would the church still be sanctioning also the rights of

    the slave owner. Our current view of morality is definitely not based on Bible, but our morals are based on the

    needs of the society itself.

    A moral thing has always been the things that benefit the society and keep it harmonious. Immoral things are

    those that disrupt the social fabric. Basic things that are thought to be moral or immoral are very universal in

    all societies. Stealing, lying or killing is very universally forbidden as they always affect negatively the

    smooth working of the community.

    There has been however great variation in what is seen as immoral or moral. These views are in a constant

    change in every society and they reflect heavily the current state of development in any society.

    The creators of the Jewish faith did however in fact alter the universal social and moral codes they inherited

    from their predecessors. They insisted that the age old and very universal moral codes codified in the Ten

    Commandments applied only to members of their own faith and others could be treated as badly as you

    pleased.

    The current world religions that are based on these old Jewish stories have through their history upheld this

    doctrine of different morals among the circle of believers and towards outsiders. They have very universally

    acted cruelly and violently towards those who don t share same faith or those even worse offenders who

    deviate from the one and only true religion.

    Sam Harris has pointed out that if you claim that morals were invented by Jews of the old, you are

    simultaneously claiming that Zoroastrians, Jain or Buddhist does not have morals.

    These eastern religions have in fact one big moral difference in contrast to Islam or Christianity. Followers of

    these religions have always had a moral inhibition towards destroying those who don t share the same faith.

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    Followers of Islam or Christianity have never had such moral qualms, but through centuries the followers of

    these faiths have actively been encouraged to attack those who don t share same religious tradition.

    In undeveloped societies the priesthood had a responsibility for making sure that everybody followed the

    morals codes in used in that society as the official machinery of the society was very thin or nonexistent. In

    the developed Western countries these responsibilities have been wholly transferred to secular authorities a

    long time ago.

    The source of our current morals is not the church or its teachings in any way. The democratic legislative

    process creates legislation and juridical system sees to it that it is obeyed. This legislation of course reflects

    the moral code that is applied in the society at large and those morals have not been derived from any

    religions for a long time now.

    We in the Western Europe are in a extremely happy situation where our current morals are in fact derived

    from the real and rational needs of the society around us and not from same old books.

    These morals are also changing with the changing needs of the society. This happy situation could arise when

    the secular power of the western churches was eroded beginning in the late 1800: s.

    Sam Harris has rightly pointed out that there is no more criminality in the almost atheistic countries of the

    Northern Europe than there is in the on the surface very Christian Southern European countries.

    In fact the situation is often reversed, as our extremely secular northern welfare states create economic

    situation where need to support oneself with crime is diminished.

    Richard Dawkins for his part has pointed out that a situation where only the fear of punishment after death

    prevents a human being from acting badly is in fact morally corrupt.

    In conclusion it must be stressed that the founders of the new monotheistic religions did not in any way invent

    morality and did not even create a new set of morals.

    They inherited those morals from their predecessors who had an quite identical set of morals, as no society

    cannot function without ground rules that tell which actions are approved and which are not.

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    What is the Bible?

    We know for certain that the Christian Bible is made up from two completely separate parts. The older part

    consists of mostly 3000-4000 year old writings that are a compilation of old stories told and gathered by a

    small Semitic nation that was living in the Near East in that time. There is great variety of texts that include

    parables, poems, visions and various kinds of bed-time stories.

    This older part of the Bible includes also a great deal of originally orally transmitted history of this small and

    historically quite insignificant nation which is of a very doubtful authenticity as all orally transmitted tradition

    and history always is. There is also a fictional story about the creation of the universe that had a vide

    circulation in the Near East of that time.

    The Bible that is in use in Christian world includes also a much newer part that is in fact not connected to the

    older book. That newer part of Christian Bible tells the story of a preacher that lived roughly 2000 years ago

    in the same area that the older book depicts.

    Two of the world religions that think that Bible is a holy book haven t in fact taken this newer part to be apart of their own Bible which for them consists of only the older part.

    This all is undeniable fact; the Bible is a historical fact. It is a collection of literary tradition of a small Near

    East tribe. It is the base for a religion that was formed among that nation that was for a long time dispersed

    around the world and without a country of its own.

    The followers of a preacher that was transforming the older religion 2000 years ago have also taken these

    older texts to be a basis of their own but much newer religion. That happened notwithstanding the fact that

    followers of this new religion have often viewed followers of this older religion with contempt and even

    hatred.

    The big problem is that many people think that this book was not written by human beings at all, but was

    written or transmitted to humans by God of their religion himself.

    They are not surprised by the fact, that this God is as a writer very different in different parts of this book and

    even frequently contradicts himself.

    Many followers of these religions think that they can find the Final Truth from this book that was written in

    an undeveloped and to q great degree illiterate semi-nomadic society several thousand years ago. They think

    that teachings of this old book could be applied to a society that has evolved to be a fast-moving and complex

    industrial network of nations.

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    There are several things that help in upholding this strange belief. The vague and hard to decipher texts of the

    Bible can often be interpreted to mean whatever the interpreter wants himself them to mean. It is a given fact,

    that many of these texts have been used to support quite opposing notions during centuries.

    The odd technical terms of an long-gone archaic world and the many translation errors have added

    considerably to the vagueness of these texts, but have also added a quite mystical tone to these often in fact

    very banal texts.

    The basic human nature has of course been the same for tens of thousands of years and therefore we instantlyrecognize many characters appearing in these stories. We can also appreciate the fact how little the literary

    expression has changed in few thousand years. Many biblical texts are still quite esthetically worthy examples

    of good writing.

    Unfortunately the world this old book describes is quite different from ours. Humanity has evolved in almost

    every way since those days. Especially the morals used our societies are quite different than those days of

    almost total ignorance.

    The cruel and bloody Biblical world with its blood honors, human sacrifices and complete lack of respect for

    people with different ethnic background is only a distant memory that has been surpassed in the western world

    a very long time ago.

    Principal problem is that the long gone values of this cruel semi-nomadic world are dragged to light of day

    every time the Bible is used as a reference point for decisions in a modern society, as Sam Harris so finely

    points out in his books.

    People using Bible as a basis for their thinking are in fact dragging societies back to a time when a man s life

    was worth nothing if he was from a wrong tribe and people could be killed just drawing water an wrong day

    of the week as the Old Testament tells us.

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    Feedback for Post "What is the Bible?"

    marcelo [Visitor]

    19.08.2009 @ 15:35

    Could you recommend me a list of top5 books explaining why the bible is not the word of God. (for an

    ex-fundamentalist christian)Please email me the answer if you can!

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    jaskaw pro

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    22.08.2009 @ 22:30

    This is a compilation of collected bits from Wikipedia on Biblical criticism, hope this helps a bit.

    Modern biblical criticism begins with the 17th century philosophers and theologians - Thomas Hobbes,

    Benedict Spinoza, Richard Simon and others - who began to ask questions about the origin of the biblical text,

    especially the Pentateuch (the first five books of the Old Testament - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers,and Deuteronomy). They asked specifically who had written these books: according to tradition their author

    was Moses, but these critics found contradictions and inconsistencies in the text that, they claimed, made

    Mosaic authorship improbable.

    Thomas L. Thompson, a leading minimalist scholar has written: "There is no evidence of a United Monarchy,

    no evidence of a capital in Jerusalem or of any coherent, unified political force that dominated western

    Palestine, let alone an empire of the size the legends describe. We do not have evidence for the existence of

    kings named Saul, David or Solomon; nor do we have evidence for any temple at Jerusalem in this early

    period. What we do know of Israel and Judah of the tenth century does not allow us to interpret this lack of

    evidence as a gap in our knowledge and information about the past, a result merely of the accidental nature of

    archeology. There is neither room nor context, no artifact or archive that points to such historical realities in

    Palestine's tenth century. One cannot speak historically of a state without a population. Nor can one speak of a

    capital without a town. Stories are not enough."

    There are no contemporary independent documents other than the claimed accounts of the Books of Samuel,

    which clearly shows too many anachronisms to have been a contemporary account. For example there is

    mention of coined money (1 Samuel 13:21), late armor (1 Samuel 17-4-7, 38-39; 25:13), use of camels (1

    Samuel 30:17) and cavalry (as distinct from chariotry) (1 Samuel 13:5, 2 Samuel 1:6), iron picks and axes (as

    though they were common, 2 Samuel 12:31), sophisticated siege techniques (2 Samuel 20:15), there is a

    gargantuan troop (2 Samuel 17:1), a battle with 20,000 casualties (2 Samuel 18:7), and refer to Kushite

    paramilitary and servants, clearly giving evidence of a date in which Kushites were common, after the 26th

    Dynasty of Egypt, the period of the last quarter of the 8th century BCE

    Biblical minimalists generally hold that the Bible is principally a theological and apologetic work, and all

    stories within it are of an aetiological character. The early stories are held to have a historical basis that was

    reconstructed centuries later, and the stories possess at most only a few tiny fragments of genuine historical

    memorywhich by their definition are only those points which are supported by archaeological discoveries.

    In this view, all of the stories about the Biblical patriarchs are fictional, and the patriarchs mere legendary

    eponyms to describe later historical realities. Further, Biblical minimalists hold that the twelve tribes of Israel

    were a later construction, the stories of King David and King Saul were modeled upon later Irano-Hellenistic

    examples, and that there is no archaeological evidence that the united kingdom of Israel, which the Bible says

    that David and Solomon ruled over an empire from the Euphrates to Eilath, ever existed.

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    In published books, one of the early advocates of the current school of thought known as Biblical minimalism

    is Giovanni Garbini, Storia e ideologia nell'Israele antico (1986), translated into English as History and

    Ideology in Ancient Israel (1988). In his footsteps followed Thomas L. Thompson with his lengthy Early

    History of the Israelite People: From the Written & Archaeological Sources (1992) and, building explicitly on

    Thompson's book, P. R. Davies' shorter work, In Search of 'Ancient Israel' (1992). In the latter, Davies finds

    historical Israel only in archaeological remains, Biblical Israel only in Scripture, and recent reconstructions of

    "ancient Israel" are an unacceptable amalgam of the two. Thompson and Davies see the entire Hebrew Bible

    (Old Testament) as the imaginative creation of a small community of Jews at Jerusalem during the period

    which the Bible assigns to after the return from the Babylonian exile, from 539 BCE onward. Niels PeterLemche, Thompson's fellow faculty member at the University of Copenhagen, also followed with several

    titles that show Thompson's influence, including The Israelites in history and tradition (1998). The presence of

    both Thompson and Lemche at the same institution has led to the use of the term "Copenhagen school".

    In 2001, Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman published the book The Bible Unearthed. Archaeology's

    New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts which advocated a view midway toward

    Biblical minimalism and caused an uproar among many conservatives.

    Jennifer Wallace describes archaeologist Israel Finkelstein's view in her article Shifting Ground in the Holy

    Land, appearing in Smithsonian Magazine, May 2006:

    "He [Finkelstein] cites the fact now accepted by most archaeologists that many of the cities Joshua is

    supposed to have sacked in the late 13th century B.C. had ceased to exist by that time. Hazor was destroyed inthe middle of that century, Ai was abandoned before 2000 B.C. Even Jericho, where Joshua is said to have

    brought the walls tumbling down by circling the city seven times with blaring trumpets, was destroyed in

    1500 B.C. Now controlled by the Palestinian Authority, the Jericho site consists of crumbling pits and

    trenches that testify to a century of fruitless digging."

    The seminal figure in New Testament criticism was Hermann Samuel Reimarus (1694-1768), who applied to

    it the methodology of Greek and Latin textual studies and became convinced that very little of what it said

    could be accepted as incontrovertibly true.

    The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, has had a major effect undermining some of the uniqueness of the

    early message of the Jesus movement, through showing that 1st century Judaism was in fact far more diverse

    than a reading of Josephus suggests. For example the expectation of the coming messiah, the beatitudes of the

    Sermon on the Mount and much else of the early Christian movement are found to have existed within

    apocalyptic Judaism of the period. This has had the effect of centering early Christianity much more within its

    Jewish roots than was previously the case. It is now recognised that Rabbinical Judaism and Christianity are

    only two of the many strands which survived the Jewish revolt of 66 to 70 CE.

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    Christmas without Jesus

    My wife and I have both been atheists from the early teens, but anybody visiting us in the Christmas time

    would hardly notice any difference. Christmas tree is there, the traditional Finnish Christmas dishes are

    cooking in the oven and the Christmas carols are playing in full blast.

    And why not, as everybody with at least a rudimentary knowledge of history knows that Christmas has really

    nothing to do with the Christian beliefs.

    Christmas or Yule as the feast was originally called was a big event for the pagan Germanic nations long

    before they were converted to Christianity.

    Also the Romans had a big feast celebrating the Sol Invictus or the unconquerable sun on just on the same

    days of December. The shortest day of the year was and is inevitably a great reason for a feast for all thenations living in the northern parts of Europe.

    Christians realized soon that could not compete with these age old traditions as following the yearly ultimate

    stages of sun is a extremely natural reason for having a feast.

    They gave up suppressing these pagan festivities and instead created a convenient myth that claimed that the

    alleged founder of their religion was born on that very day.

    The creation of this new myth was done centuries after the formation of the church. The new story did

    because of its convenience spread like wildfire throughout the Christian world.

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    Nowadays you would hard pressed to find a Christian that did not genuinely believe that a boy named Jesus

    was born on that very day of the year. This is a fact of life, even there is not a shred of evidence to support any

    such claims, but lack of evidence has never been a hindrance in the matters of faith

    Christmas has since developed to be a feast that celebrates the closeness of the Family and the spirit of giving.

    At the same time its real religious connections have became almost nonexistent in most families in developed

    Western world.

    The main function of Christmas is to celebrate the family ties and to give an opportunity to cease all normalactivities. Because of this ceasefire of activity it is possible to find time to search for the inner peace and

    harmony as there are no strict schedules or outside places to go.

    Many people have a misconception that these feelings of inner peace and harmony must somehow be

    connected to a religion, even though religion is not needed in any way in attaining these things.

    The main thing in Christmas for many is the rare opportunity of the family to come together in a mood of

    joyful feasting. This feeling of togetherness does however not need to have any religious connections

    whatsoever.

    I don t think that non-religio