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TC/TG/MTG/TRG MINUTES COVER SHEET(Minutes of all Meetings are to be distributed to all persons listed below within 60
days following the meeting.)
TC/TG/MTG/TRG No. TC 1.11 DATE 3/1/2018
TC/TG/MTG/TRG TITLE Electric Motors & Motor Controls
DATE OF MEETING 1/23/2018 LOCATION Chicago, IL
MEMBERS PRESENT(VM’s in bold)
YEAR APPTD
MEMBERS ABSENT(VM’s in bold)
YEAR APPTD
EX-OFFICIO MEMBERS AND ADDITIONAL ATTENDANCE
Thomas Lowery 1998 John Cherney 2017 Amir Jokar – Section Head
Paul Lin 2012 Rainer Grosse-Kracht 2008 B. Lent
Michael Todd 2008 Rick Bunch 1997 Mike Holscher
Chandra K Gollapudi 2017 Terry Davies 2009 Sage Tomlinson
Rick Heiden 2006 Thomas Bourquin 2016 Brad White
Armin Hauer 2008 Amr Adel Galal 2016 Heinz Juergensen
Jerry Edwards 2014 Benjamin House 2016 Sam Jasinski
Ken Fonstad 2012 Tim Kline 2017 Jesse Rivera
Billy Rhinehart 2003 Michael Westlake 2016 Kirk Anderson
Dr Christian Ellwein 2016 Stephen Lee Wren 2017 Sanaee Iyama
Nitin Naik 2017 Dr Huojun Yang 2016 Steven Allmond
David Williams 2016 Florian Antretter 2012 Dan Delaney
Dr Casey Briscoe 2015 Kim Baker 2015 Nathan Seelye
Robert Coleman 2008 Kenneth Bobick 2012 Bob Steffen
Timothy Mathson 2016 Dr Kelly Chandler 2014 Grant Wheeler
Kezhen Shen 2016 Rudy Chervil 2008 Gang Wang
Dr Charles H Culp III 2011 Nathan Fetting
Ashish Desai 2014
Mark Doty 2010
James Dudt 2012
Alex Harvey 2012
Robert Helt 2000
David Lee 2012
Alex Lifson 2006
Sally Anne McInerny 1998
David Miller 2012
Donald Perry 2006
Hermann Renz 2000
Brian Reynolds 2013
Robert Richard 2006
Richard Robertson 2014
Colin Tait 2010
William Tinsley 1999
Thomas Watson 2000
Adam Willwerth 2013
Michael Wolf 2014
Craig Wray 2007
DISTRIBUTION: All Members of TC/TG/MTG/TRG plus the following:
TAC Section Head: [email protected]
All Committee Liaisons As Shown On TC/TG/MTG/TRG Rosters (Research, Standards, ALI, etc.)
[email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]
Mike Vaughn,Manager Of Research & Technical Services [email protected]
ASHRAE TC/TG/TRG ACTIVITIES SHEET
DATE: January 23, 2018TC/TG/TRG NO.: TC 1.11 TC/TG/TRG TITLE: Electric Motors and Motor ControlsCHAIRMAN: Thomas F Lowery VICE CHAIRMAN: Paul LinSECRETARY: Michael Todd
TC/TG/TRG MEETING SCHEDULELocation-Past 12 Months Date Location-Planned Next 12 Months DateLong BeachChicago
6/20171/2018
HoustonAtlanta
6/23-6/27 20181/12-1/16 2019
TC/TG/TRG SUBCOMMITTEESFunction ChairmanStandardsResearchProgramHandbookWeb-masterMembershipALI coordinator (ASHRAE learning institute)
Armin HauerRick HeidenChandra GollapudiTom LoweryPaul LinJohn CherneyRick Bunch
RESEARCH PROJECTS-CURRENT Project Titlenone
Contractor Monitoring Comm. Chpt. Report Made At Meeting
LONG RANGE RESEARCH PLAN Rank Title W/S Written Approved To RAC1. RTAR 1793 – MOT for
motor thermal properties
Yes – Heiden No No
STANDARDS ACTIVITIES-List and Describe SubjectsAHRI Standard 1210 / 1211 Performance Rating of Variable Frequency Drives, MOT will become ASHRAE 222p, which is scheduled for public review 06/2018TECHNICAL PAPERS from Sponsored Research-Title, when presented (past 3 yrs. present & planned)
TC/TG Sponsored Transactions-Title, when presented (past 3 yrs. Present & planned)
TC/TG Sponsored Seminars (past 3 yrs. Present & planned)1/15 Seminar 39 - Efficiency Prediction of Motors and Variable Speed Drives with Compressors and with
Fans1/17 Seminar 12 - Variable Speed Drives and Chillers - Back to BasicsTC/TG Sponsored Forums-Title, when presented (past 3 yrs. Present & planned)
TC/TG Sponsored Workshops-Title, when presented (past 3 yrs. Present & planned)
JOURNAL PUBLICATIONS, when published (past 3 yrs. present & planned)
ASHRAE TC 1.11 Electric Motors and Motor ControlsMinutes for the Meeting at
Palmer House Hilton, Montrose 3 (7)Chicago, Illinois
Tuesday, January 23, 2018
1. CALL TO ORDER
Introduction of Members and Guests.
Technical Committee 1.11 was called to order at 1:03 PM by Vice Chair Paul Lin. Paul first reviewed the ASHRAE ethics commitment. Technical Committee member and guest introductions were made and an attendance sheet was circulated. Paul asked for additions to the agenda and there were none. The membership list was reviewed and a quorum was established with 5 of 8 voting members present.
2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES AND REVIEW OF ACTION ITEMS
Paul asked if everyone reviewed the minutes from Las Vegas and Long Beach and if there were any additions/corrections. None were discussed.
MOTION: Ken Fonstad made a motion to approve both the January 2017 Las Vegas and June 2017 Long Beach minutes with a second from Armin Hauer. There was no additional discussion and the motion passed 5-0-0.
Report Action Items:
None.
3. TC MEMBERSHIP and COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS
Assigned committee positions for 2018-2019 term were discussed with the following results:
Chair Paul Lin VC Chandra Gollapudi Secretary Rick Heiden Research Sage Tomlinson Standards Armin Hauer Programs Chandra Gollapudi Handbook Tom Lowery Webmaster Paul Lin Membership Jerry Edwards
Kezhen Shen and Rick Heiden agreed to roll on as voting members.
Rick Bunch and Billy Rhinehart are rolling off as voting members.
4. CHAIR REPORT: Tom Lowery
None.
Up and coming meetings: Houston, Texas – June 23 to 27, 2018
5. SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS
A. Standards: Armin Hauer
Ashrae SPC 222 - Standard Method of Test for Electrical Power Drive Systemso Met for fifth time this past Sunday in Chicagoo PC approval of responses to public review comments targeted for June
2018o PC vote for publication targeted for September 2018
AMCA 208 – Calculation of Fan Energy Indexo Still not approved but any day
NEMA MG1 new section for air over motor test method investigationo Will show 3 options for temperature stabilizationo 0.25 hp – about 5hp officially
AHRI 1210/1211 has now updated their VSD certification fileo Now available in Excel online for free instead of the old PDF only formato Four brands have certifications to date and more coming.
B. Research: Rick Heiden
RTAR/WS Status
Development of Method of Test for Motor Component Thermal Conductivity (RTAR 1793)
o Research liaison suggested continuing as long as good faith efforts have been made for cosponsoring.
Need confirmed correspondence with outside bodies for potential co-funding (NEMA, UL, AHRI, DOE, IEEE)
Straw poll on continued committee co-sponsorship? – Yes, MOTION for TC1.11 to co-sponsor as outlined by Rick’s summation passed 6-0-0.
Any additional members want to volunteer to be on Proposal Evaluation Subcommittee and/or Project Evaluation Subcommittee? – Dan Delaney will participate with project monitoring subcommittee.
o Work statement will be circulated for letter ballot to TC 8.2, TC 8.1 and TC1.11 and research liaison
o Target submission to RAC in March
RTAR 1768 - Assessment of HVAC Equipment Idle Power Consumption as a Percentage of Built Environment Energy Load (5 – 1500 kW)
o Per Long Beach plan to withdraw for lack of interest/support
Idea backlog
Research to answer the question, what constitutes the “right” test conditions for characterizing motor / drive test points. Was proposed as AHRI research project but rejected. Kezhen to forward on background info.
Power quality trends by region and technology (surges, sags, etc) – currently no interest within the TC
Data Center trends (i.e. 600 VDC ABB case) maybe a seminar – yes, TC interest as a future program
Effects of motor type on VFD efficiency. How does the MOT for VFD need to be changed for motors other than asynchronous? – yes, TC interest, but go both ways, VFD to motor and motor to VFD
Survey available literature and databases used for motor-VFD performance modeling in HVAC design – currently no interest within the TC
o Motor-VFD performance rating updates for DOE MotorMaster Plus Database – currently no interest within the TC
Completed Projects Sponsored by TC 1.11RP-1078 -- Early Detection of Insulation Degradation in Low Voltage Motors RP-1076 -- Diagnostic Test and Analytical Methods for Resolving Fan/Motor Vibration Problems in Air-Conditioning UnitsRP-1095 -- Measurements of Electrical Power Inputs to Variable Speed Motors and Their Solid State Power Converters: Phase IRP-667 -- Measurements of Electrical Power Inputs to Variable Speed Motors and Their Solid State ConvertersRP-685 -- Test and Analysis Methods for Resolving Fan/Motor Vibration Problems in Air-Conditioning UnitsRP-770 -- Measurement of Electrical Power Inputs to Variable Speed Motors and Their Solid State Power Converters
C. Programs: Chandra Gollapudi
Ideas and Discussion
New motor technology advancement seminar – planning seminar now for Atlantao Paul Lin agreed to chairo Possible title: Advances in HVAC Motors and Motor Controls
Motor types overview – Ken Fonstad agreed to speak Fan or pump or compressor application – Rick (compressor) &
Chandra (PM motor) & Terry (pump guy) to find two additional speakers, also possible high speed switched reluctance motors from Grant
Test standards for different type of motors – Dan Delany (Regal) agreed to speak
SPC 222 now taking over MOT for AHRI 1210 – potential for Kansas City if MOT ready
o 1st draft (abstract) of seminar target by Chicagoo Potential chair – Ken Fonstad with potential speakers: Tom, Armin, public
university customer (found by Paul), Bill to find another speaker (Terry to check with Bill)
o Proposed forum as a method for collecting information to help with the standard was deemed not needed by discussion at Long Beach
High rotor pole switched reluctance motor topic idea potentially for Atlanta. Chandra to discuss with Paul Lin more after the meeting.
Seminar and Forum proposals for Houston are due by Friday, February 9, 2018. The group decided not to pursue anything for Houston due to lack of time.
The following are the tracks for the next two meetings.
Houston – Summer 2018
Track 1: HVAC&R Systems and Equipment Track 2: Fundamentals and Applications
Track 3: District Energy and Cogeneration Plants Track 4: Safeguarding your HVAC&R System Track 5: Residential: Modern Buildings in Hot & Humid Climates Track 6: Commissioning– Optimizing New & Existing Buildings and their Operation Track 7: Research Summit Track 8: HVAC&R Control Freaks Track 9: HVAC&R Analytics (Mini-Track)
Atlanta – Winter 2019
Track 1: Systems and Equipment Track 2: Fundamentals and Applications Track 3: Refrigeration Track 4: Construction, Operation, and Maintenance of High Performance Systems Track 5: Common System Options and Misapplications Track 6: 207.2 (55+62.1+90.1): The Convergence of Comfort, Indoor Air Quality,
and Energy Efficiency Track 7: Building Integrated Renewables and Natural Systems Track 8: The Engineer's Role in Architecture
Seminar and Forum proposals for Atlanta are due by Friday, August 3, 2018.
D. Handbook Chapter 45: Tom Lowery
Chandra to review the motor section and provide feedback to Tom. Next update scheduled for 2020. Submit by June of 2019.
E. Membership: Jerry Edwards
Jerry will take this responsibility back.
6. WEB SITE http://tc111.ashraetcs.org: Paul Lin
Up to date.
7. LIASION REPORTS
A. Section Head: Amir Jokar
New online roster update process is being used at the Chicago meeting. Reminder to complete the activity form. (Request Basecamp for TC 1.11?) Request RPM early if having issues getting quorum.
B. RAC: Shinsuke Kato
None.
C. NEMA/UL Motor Committee Liaison – Chandra Gollapudi
DOE RFI – 2 pending, process rule making changes to the DOE energy standards program; market based approach (café)
D. NEMA/UL Drive Committee Liaison – Terry Davies
None.
8. OLD BUSINESS
None.
9. NEW BUSINESS
None.
10. ANNOUNCEMENT OF NEXT MEETING
Vice Chairman Paul Lin announced that the next meeting would be held in Houston, Texas in June 2018 at the same time on Tuesday.
11. ADJOURNMENT
MOTION: Ken Fonstad made the motion to adjourn with a second by Jerry Edwards, PASSED 6-0-0. The meeting was adjourned at 2:54PM.
Respectfully Submitted,
Michael ToddSecretary, TC 1.11
Appendix I – Section 1 Breakfast Minutes, CEC Info, & Pub Info
