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Page 1: AS...Getting money out Annual salary Subject to PAYE, PRSI & USC Company repaying directors loans Loans are created when director transfers assets to the company for no payment These
Page 2: AS...Getting money out Annual salary Subject to PAYE, PRSI & USC Company repaying directors loans Loans are created when director transfers assets to the company for no payment These

TRADING AS A FARMING COMPANY

Kevin Connolly

Financial Management Specialist

Teagasc Rural Economy and Development Programme (REDP)

Teagasc Pig Farmers’ Conference 2014

Cavan Crystal Hotel

22nd October 2014

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Setting up a farming company

Selected reasons given for company setup…

Teagasc advise early discussion with

accountant & solicitor

I’m paying

too much tax!

I need to invest in the farm and I will

struggle to have the cash to meet

repayments on debt and pay tax

I think there are some benefits in

boosting my pension so I can rely on it

rather than any income from the farm

after I hand over & retire

Everyone else seems to

be doing it…

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A company is..

….a separate legal entity

You are not the farmer – the company is!

Business profits belong to the company first!

Company will have its own bank account

All business expenses invoiced to the company

You become a shareholder / director

Director duties

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Key questions

Are you paying the top rate of tax?

Are you maximising all available reliefs and allowances?

How much of your annual business profit do you

need to withdraw as personal drawings?

Monies paid out to directors of the company (salary) is

subject to personal tax rates in the hands of the directors

If you need substantial drawings from the business you

will be paying top rate tax on this anyway

– lessens the tax advantage of a company

Is there off-farm income which reduces demand on farm

cash for personal use?

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Key questions

Are you looking at sustained (& increasing) high business profits? A short period of high profits (+ low drawings) may not justify

forming a company

Are you planning business expansion? High company retained earnings (after paying corp. tax of

12.5%) can be used to fund this with less cash flow pressure

There is a larger benefit if you intend purchasing land and leaving it in the company

No Capital Allowances on land investment

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Repaying Debt

Sole Trader

Pay 40% tax + 4% PRSI +

8% USC

before capital repayment

To repay €20,000 principal

requires €41,666 profit

Company

Pay 12.5% tax

before capital repayment

To repay €20,000 principal

requires €22,857 profit

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Assets used by the Company

- Land Land leased by farmer to the company

No Stamp Duty & no immediate CGT implications

No leased income exemption available

Land Sold to the company This is a chargeable transfer of an asset

Possible CGT liability for the owner AND Stamp Duty for the company

Company borrows money and pays farmer

An option if large personal debt exists

OR

Directors loan created on company balance sheet

Director can draw down on this as cash builds up in the company

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Assets used by the Company

- Livestock / Machinery

Livestock & machinery transferred at book value

– no additional income tax on transfer

No stamp duty or CGT applies on these transfers

Plan in advance of company set up to increase

the value of these transferred assets

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Loans & Security

Can existing loans be transferred to the company?

Yes but the underlying asset may also have to be transferred (Stamp Duty & CGT??)

New loans terms will be set up by the lender – how do these compare with current terms?

Loans kept outside the company Repayments will have to be made out of company

transfers/ payments to the owner

These transfers will be subject to personal tax rates

Repayments will have to be covered from after-tax cash – benefits of low company tax will be lost

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Making the switch

New company has a separate legal status

Ceasing as a sole trader &

Commencing as a company

Implications

Revision of tax bill for previous year due to ceasing sole

trader business

Implications for farmers on income averaging

If stock value in the books is low there may be a large

once off tax bill, might offset this with pension payment

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Succession & Farming Company

CGT Retirement Relief issues

CGT Retirement relief available on land leased to the company if company shares + the land are disposed of to the same person

Transfer of company shares – retirement relief available but watch 10 year rule

Capital Acquisitions Tax

Farming company shares not “agricultural property” – creates problems for Farmer Test for Agricultural Relief

Business Relief may be available on the shares

If retirement is planned in the near future then it might be better to stay as a sole trader

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Company Tax Rates Two rates of tax apply to companies

Basic corporation tax rate – 12.5%

Applies to trading profits

Passive tax rate – 25%

Applies to passive income – investment and rental income

This income can’t be allowed build up in the company indefinitely – 20% surcharge applies if not distributed with 18 months

- ie the income on retained earnings (DIRT type of tax)

VAT – company can remain unregistered and claim 5.2% flat rate addition

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Getting money out

Annual salary

Subject to PAYE, PRSI & USC

Company repaying directors loans

Loans are created when director transfers

assets to the company for no payment

These loans can be withdrawn tax free at any

time

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Pension Payments

Company can make contributions to

directors pension

Small Self Administered Pension

Less restrictions on maximum amounts

Pension contributions made are generally

fully deductible against company profits

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Company Paperwork

Annual accounts to be prepared

Usually higher accountancy cost

Accounts filed with Companies Registration

Office

Form B1 – accounts summary attached

Annual Tax Returns

Corporation Tax Return CT1

Directors must file a separate return Form 11

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The company route..

Is it worth looking at???

High personal tax rates – 55% for > €100k

Capital allowances exhausted

Planned further expansion investment

No Capital allowances / high borrowings needed

Large debt – unable to make sufficient principal

repayments due to tax

No business transfer planned in the near future

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TRADING AS A FARMING COMPANY

Kevin Connolly

Financial Management Specialist

Teagasc Rural Economy and Development Programme (REDP)

Teagasc Pig Farmers’ Conference 2014

Cavan Crystal Hotel

22nd October 2014