A transcript of the interview between Detective Bill Clark and Mark Twitchell from Oct. 20, 2008

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TRANSCRIPT OF AN INTERVIEW Between Detective B. CLARK & Mark TWITCHELL

On 2008 Oct 20At Edmonton Police Services Headquarters

File #08-137180

(Background noise)

Elapsed time 00:01:09

(Door opens)

CLARK Hi Mark thanks for waiting.

TWITCHELL Yeah. (Door closes)

CLARK So as you know Mark were just here uh trying to find uh this John

fellow. John ALTINGER.

TWITCHELL Mm hm.

CLARK Um I have no idea what happened to this guy. But my job is obviously to

uh find him. Right? Uh we dont know if hes met with foul play or if a

crimes been committed here we dont know any of that.

TWITCHELL Right.

CLARK I mean were simply looking for a missing person that that his friends

have reported missing. Hes been gone for quite some time now.

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK And of course you came into the picture because we know he went over

to that garage.

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TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK At some point and thats why uh Detective TABLER uh talked to you.

Now like I told you I dont know if a crimes been committed but I I just

wanna tell you that you know part of part, part of all this is that you cancontact a lawyer at any time if you want. If you wanna talk to one

youre free to do so, Ill take you to a phone you can call one.

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK Um right now like I say I dont know if Im investigating a crime or Im

just investigating a missing person. I dont know if this guys met with

foul play or what thats my jobs to get the truth right.

TWITCHELL Right.

CLARK Thats thats why so we have to talk to anybody who may have had

contact with him or may have anything to do with any of the

circumstances around that.

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK And thats why youre here. So appreciate you coming in on your own

accord. I mean uh I know its been a long time and well try and get

through this. And uh getcha outta here. Alright. As part of my

investigation if uh foul play has occurred, uh or if I find out that foul

play has (Stammers) occurred to to John. Then you must understand

that anything you say to me can be used as evidence in court. Okay.

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK So I can take that down in writing and use it as evidence in court if it

came to that. Okay? And as again (Stammers) I dont know what

happened to him. For all I know he he could be out someones house

right now I dont know but were just trying to find this guy cuz his

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friends are obviously concerned. Do you have any questions about that

stuff? What I just told you in that right now anything about that?

TWITCHELL No.

CLARK Okay. I really appreciate you took the time to write everything down. It

was a great statement. You went into great detail and uh that was

good. I I read it over I mean there theres obviously a few things I just

wanna cover with you on that.

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK One of the things Id like to do is uh I mean you you wrote very detail do

you youre a good writer

TWITCHELL I

CLARK like you went into a lot

TWITCHELL I tried

CLARK of detail.

TWITCHELL yeah.

CLARK Yeah and thats good. It just that I always find when people talk about

it they tend to to probably go into a little bit more detail. That you

might not write down the little little things you know.

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK So one of things (Overtalk)

TWITCHELL Pardon me (Overtalk)

CLARK I like to (Overtalk)

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TWITCHELL for the eye thing its just my contacts (Overtalk)

CLARK Oh thats okay yeah I know it its late too. Um one of the things I like to

do is this is your interview not mine. Okay. Im just here to get the

information and assist you in trying to get that information. Some littlethings. What I want you to do is talk basically talk me through um the

garage. You know start at the beginning.

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK Talk me through it. Im gonna let you talk through it. Im gonna then

ask you a few questions I want you to relax, take your time, take as

along as you need. Go into as much detail as you can and try and thinkabout the little things.

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK Try and remember the little things cuz you you might not think its

important

TWITCHELL But it could be.

CLARK but it might key on something that I know or someone else has told us

you know that type of thing.

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK And then what well do is once once youve gone through it is Ill just

take you back and Ill just ask you a few questions to really key on

certain little things. Uh and that might twig your memory you know.

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK And and thats why (Stammers) this is one of the things we do with any

of our witnesses.

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TWITCHELL Right.

CLARK So the smallest information can help.

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK You never know. Dont hold back anything even as unimportant as you

might think it might be tell me it.

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK Cuz you never know. And uh Ill just let you go and like I say take as

much time as you need.

TWITCHELL Okay. No problem.

CLARK So basically start with um I know about the garage okay I dont think we

need to go through all that I know how you rented all and I know that

you make movies I dont think we need to go through that. But basically

start at the beginning where you think all this starts to come about in

regards to this fellow thats missing.

TWITCHELL Where it starts to come about okay. Um well I guess the place that I

could think where any of it would start would be where uh when it

gotten to the point where someone else got access to the place. And uh

I mean it still only speculation at this point cuz I dont know from

(Stammers) the incident that happened with my car.

CLARK Mm hm.

TWITCHELL But uh that the information getting out there is the thing that would

stand out to me. So like when I go back and try to think about who

else knows about the project about what we do there. Uh my whole

crew. A couple of cast members. Theres uh I was posting casting calls

on places like Facebook. Stuff like that and uh didnt really get into the

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details of the location unless I was actually communicating with people

about it or if I was considering people for a role or crew conditions. So

thats the part from like communication off of my end anyway getting

out to the world as to that area. Uh and then uh the more direct

version of course was when the break-in with the car happened on the

eighth. And uh just noticed that these things were all missing in the

car. Um when Joss dropped me off looked perfectly fine. Um got in the

vehicle he took off and then thats when I started notice that things

were missing. So found out my sunglasses were missing there were some

personal stuff there the cash and the change in the (Stammers) in the

cups and stuff like that and and of course my receipts and that

concerned because the Western Union one had my personal address on

it. And uh the rental receipts from Kirkside with uh the address for the

garage on there were in there. And uh I mean typically you know when

you live at a place like St. Albert but rent a garage out on the south, you

know its, if I saw that stuff I would assume that the person doesnt go

there a whole lot. Uh maybe just because its used as like a workshop I

mean I was gonna use it for a workshop anyway but uh you know and for

a filming location and thats I I dont know like I can get into trying toevaluate what someone else would be thinking all day if I want to but uh

I dont know thats thats for me I think where it starts because and its

an unknown factor for me I dont know how many people have that

information once one person gets it who they give it to or share it with

or (Stammers) whos in their circle or where it ends up I mean

CLARK Yeah exactly.

TWITCHELL For all I know (Stammers) like the guy couldve just taken it in then

thrown it away and someone else picked it up I dont know. But you

know its how you even try to track that. So that I mean looking back

thats where I would I see probably the leak and uh I dont know like uh

it didnt uh really occur to me again like I said until I started to really

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kind of talk it over with my wife and she brought it up and said well

what about what happened with your car. And then we reflected back

again on Thanksgiving uh the same thing was when uh we came home on

the twelfth and noticed that our door was unlocked which is really odd

for us because we usually habitually lock every time and uh it was just

odd that they were both unlocked like that and it didnt you know it

didnt set anything off I mean we were cautious it didnt appear that

anybody had been in the house uh you know nothing was taken. I dont

when I walk through a house like who walks through their house and

does a little mental inventory of where every little tiny item is. If

theres something glaring different then you might notice it but I didnt

see anything. Uh and we ended up just kind of chalking it up to our own

paranoia at the time we were just thinking oh well you know what we

were probably leaving with the kid and trying to get all our gear into the

car and these things are goin on uh what might one of us might not have

been paying attention and theres something and just assume that the

other one took care of it when they didnt and it ended up like that so

were kind of still not completely sure about that. Um and then uh like

anything cuz its around in that same weekend on the Friday I had gonethere to uh clean up the mess that we left from the last time we were

there on the shoot stuff like the coffee cups that we had in there.

There was a lot of garbage just from food and containers and things like

that that I was trying to get out of the way uh get stuff that had been

left in there from when I started renting it and junk like the bike and

stuff like that and getting that out of the way. Is uh my intention with

uh the film is to finish it up. Its just basically one affect shot in the

whole thing so it doesnt take a lot to complete. Get edited out there

into like film festivals. Submit it to places and see if we can pitch into a

series or a movie. And if thats the case, if we have some sort of cause

or you know income level coming in to be able to continue that uh wed

be able to use the same location because its so inexpensive to go back

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and do future episodes. So went over to clean the place up to get it

ready for whatever possible future need we would need it for. And uh

(Sighs) that was in the afternoon (Sighs) uh I know I was outta there at

least by five-thirty cuz I was be home at six. And uh and then the next

time that I remember being in there was in the middle of the week. So

that was the uh situation where I was picking up some cleaning material

to replace the ones that I had used. To go drop them off. Uh and then I

you know I went to fill up uh my jerrycan with gas and I think that I

mightve forgotten to put that in the eight page version of the statement

but anyway um (Makes noise with mouth) I went to fill up my jerrycan

and then I pull over cuz I get this call from my co-producer on the phone

this guy from L.A. thats helping me put together my big feature the day

players comedy. And uh so I stop I talk to him for a few seconds I try to

get some uh information out of him that he had like tried to tell me

before but I didnt have the chance to write down once I got of the

phone then this guy uh taps on my window and at first Im thinkin okay

hes gonna ask me for like loose change or you know something like that

but he didnt like a transient he seemed to be you know dressed like a

normal person. So uh I roll down the window and he asked me you knowhey buddy do you wanna buy a car and uh I said well you know Im in a

car (Laughs) like I what do you mean. And uh he goes well I shacked up

with this really rich lady uh you know its like a sugar momma kind of

situation and shes gonna take care of me and shes even gonna buy me

a new car when we get back from a vacation that were gonna take. So

Im just looking to unload mine and dont really care that much how

much I get for it you know how much do you have on you. And uh so I

say well (Laughs) huh forty bucks. And with that tone and everything

(Laughs) like Im not expecting anything here and he hes like yeah sure

fair enough. Like you know what (Stammers) its here in the parking lot

where do you want it and so uh I go really uh okay um well Im going to

this garage location that I had to drop off some stuff so you know follow

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me over there so. (Big breath) he gets into his car follows me over there

I park on the uh side of the driveway that has the manual door to the

garage. He parks on the side thats got the the power door I made it

purposely did that so that it would be easier to to get the car in there.

Uh went around to the passer- not the passenger door Im saying

pedestrian door. Uh opened it up, opened the uh garage door with the

button thats on the inside. And uh he drove the car in. Uh got out I

gave him the money he showed me some documentation uh I admit I

didnt like pour over it in great detail but it looked like it was legitimate

insurance and registration for the vehicle. So I believed him. Uh and uh

then you know and it was a bit of a shift in him that I didnt really take

(Stammers) into any kind of stock at the time uh looking back on it I

didnt really try and to (Stammers) look through it and evaluate it I

guess it kind of seems a little off but I dont know what it means its just

he was really easy going and excited and all that when he first

approached me uh when we got to the actually garage though he kind of

toned it all down seemed uh I dont know if you wanna say distant but

he was like you know spaced out or anything he just kinda a lot more

serious and then uh at that point he you know we finish our transactionhe takes off, Ive never actually like bought or sold a used car before so I

wasnt you know familiar with the bill of sale thing. But uh he just

seemed like he was in a hurry to get outta there I was trying to be a

little more uh conversational maybe try ta see if I could you know in a

cordial way get some detail out of him but um he just seemed like he

was uh needing to get out so he left uh he ended up taking off back in

the other direction that we uh came from originally which was back

toward the Mary Browns where we uh had met. And uh its like a

couple of blocks different

CLARK Mm hm.

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TWITCHELL in terms of where the distance is there so. Yeah then he was gone and

then uh I took another look at the car I looked inside and everything like

that it seemed like it was pretty clean. Uh you know Im thinking okay

what is there like you know two tons of cocaine in the trunk like Im

trying to figure out what the catch is here Im not making any

assumptions Im not thinking oh this is you know just luck or anything

like that I wasnt uh thinking that I was just thinking okay well you know

until I can actually figure out whats going on with the car well see

what happens. Um but I noticed that it was also manual transmission. I

had no idea how to drive a stick. Um I was curious about uh if my buddy

Joss knew how to drive a stick because uh he had had a couple different

cars and uh so I gave him a buzz and I said hey man do you know how to

drive a stick per chance he goes yeah yeah yeah. So alright uh I told him

this ridiculous story of what had happened and uh and he goes really Im

like well yeah Im standing here with it in here so uh do you (Stammers)

do you wanna be able to just like park this thing in front of your house in

the meantime so that you know then by Monday I can check on it Ill

register it uh or try to see through the AMA whats going on just check to

see if theres any liens on it or if its been reported stolen or anythinglike that cuz I dont wanna hang on to it obviously if that thats the

case. So um he said yeah alright uh and uh we agreed to meet he was

just getting off of work. So uh he was on his way home anyways. He uh

stopped by the place uh we took a look. Uh you know went through

everything. Found a couple of basic things in the car it wasnt anything

special there was like a paintball mask and um something in the glove

compartment (Stammers) to hold an electronic device or something Im

not sure he said something about it mightve been like an IPod plug I

dont know but uh so I was like okay well whatever. Um you know lets

just move the thing and thatll be that. So he moved it into the front of

his house I kept the key and uh and then I just kinda didnt really think

about it cuz I was pretty busy. I knew that I was gonna have a lot of

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things to do throughout the next couple of days. I figured the next

opportunity I was gonna have to actually like go ahead and research this

was gonna be on Monday.

CLARK Mm hm.

TWITCHELL So I just kinda put it outta my head for the time being. Uh that that was

that whole situation um it was kinda just a unexpected thing happened

somewhat outta the blue so it wasnt something that (Laughs) really

kinda stuck out to me uh and this is of course Im still thinking

everything is fine. Um and then it was Saturday night that same week

later on when I got the call from the constable. So it was Constable

MAXWELL that called me. Ten oclock. Roughly. At home. And uh so

Im like okay well I look at my phones a lot it said private call Im like oh

okay (Laughs) I dont know usually what that means most of the time I

have caller ID so I can see whos calling me but anyway I just answered

the phone uh he was you know asking me this is gonna sound really weird

but do you rent this garage at Fortieth Ave and I said well yeah why.

And uh he began to give me a little bit of detail as to to why he was

there and what was goin on with it and uh asked me if could come downto check it out because it was a serious issue. Uh that theyre dealing

with a possible missing person. Uh that one caught me by surprise. I

was uh pretty blown away by that one I did like (Stammers) really. So I

mean yeah its takes me takes me by surprise like aback a little bit and I

go okay well so I (Laughs) I kinda pause to think about that for a minute

uh and then I asked him a couple questions he asked me a couple more

and uh and then at that point Im like okay well you know hes asking me

if I can come down and everything like that Im not you know at first Im

thinking about the logistics of crossing the city but then I realize its an

important issue Im like okay. Ill come down there lets see whats goin

on. Investigate the situation check it out because theyre telling me all

these things that dont make any sense to me. Theyre telling me that

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people are reporting that theres parties going on in the garage or

around it or something and that is like confusing. I have no idea what

thats about. Theyre saying the lights are left on and thats not

something I do. So Im thinking (Stammers) that doesnt make any

sense. Uh so I (Stammers) get my stuff straightened in my house get

back into the car and uh (Stammers) taking off and like my wifes asking

me whats going on whats going on, Im like you know what I just gotta

go something up with the rental garage. Gotta go down there. So I uh

on the way there had uh two different calls from Kirkside Real Estate so

I guess they were trying to check in with them with the Realtor and

everything like that and the Realtors calling me on the phone and so uh

and Im pulling over to talk to them so I can actually focus on what

theyre saying and answer their questions and she was saying yeah I

dont know whats goin on but the police are saying this and that and

the other thing and theyre you know thats not what its for or (Laughs)

theyre theyre its shes almost got this tone like Im the one with the

party going on. But uh I mean thats absurd and so Im saying no I dont

have any idea what the hells happening. Uh Im gonna find out right

now were Im goin down there ta ta talk to them and she just askedme to call her back and let her know what was going on. Um she was

checking with me more regularly so um she actually ended up calling me

and I was able to give her an update before I even had a chance to call

her back. So uh yeah I get down to the location uh Maxwell said just ta

like look for the police cars so I mean Im assumed he parked in the back

when I was about a minute out from getting there he called me again

and just he said okay well were here were where are you Im like Im a

minute out so Ill see you in a cuple of seconds. Uh came down my usual

route just off of Whitemud and Fiftieth Street. Hang a le- a right at the

Fortieth Ave there and uh went around the back. Maxwell was there.

Met him and uh another female constable I dont remember the name.

But uh the two of them were there and so they said okay well lets see

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whats goin on in there cuz the lights are on now. And that one again

surprisingly. The lights are on right now okay. So I go reaching for the

gate they said the uh the gate might be locked closed or something and

Im thinking okay well I dont remember that but I went to reach for it,

it opened. Uh there was nothing blocking it so. Didnt really know what

to think of that one. Came down the side uh sidewalk on the side where

the garage is come around to the pedestrian door, and um like okay well

lets open this and see whats goin on and the first think I notice is that

uh the padlock thats locked on where the latch is that I installed wasnt

my padlock. Uh I had initially put an original one on there that was a

different style. This one was foreign to me I hadnt seen it before and

didnt know what to do with that. Uh so they suggested just take the

latch off so uh he had like a little pocket screwdriver thing that he was

able ta actually like pull the screws out of the latch.

CLARK Mm hm.

TWITCHELL So we were able to get that open. Uh and then uh you know just to see

if it was closed or not I mean I put my key into the deadbolt anyway.

Um you know like I mentioned before I never really trusted the deadboltcuz the realty company had told me that they replaced it um I noticed

that they they did a good job like the lock guy did a great job of putting

it on the door, um and I assumed that it works okay with the housing

that the bolt goes into to but uh from my perspective when I looked at

it, it didnt look like it was that solid or sturdy. Maybe it is you know

but it looked like there was like missing pieces there was holes where

the wood was gone and stuff like that. So uh I never really trusted it

that much its the whole reason I did the padlock thing in the first place.

So I never took much stock in the deadbolt thing I didnt treat it with uh

any kind of importance I barely ever locked it to my recognition I just

used the padlock and mostly trusted that. Um and then uh so yeah when

I when I opened it I didnt I dont remember in that moment at that time

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if there was resistance or not. If it was open or closed. But uh the door

just opened anyway. And uh so then I step back and wait for the

officers to go in. Uh sure enough all the lights are on and uh they go in,

I step into the doorway and thats where I stood the whole time. Didnt

move and uh looked around and noticed that several things were out of

place. A lot of my cleaning supplies were missing or out of their

packages. (Makes noise with mouth) Some of the looks like some of the

paper towels are missing. Um had a uh ammonia bottle that looked

like it was empty. I couldnt tell from my other cleaner if that had been

used or not. And then uh I also noticed the uh like I ordered a steel

drum to use for a garbage can in that place. And uh the last time I saw

it it was all grey metal. This time it was like pink on over half of it and

uh looked like it had something dripping from the edges and stuff like

that and it uh when the officer opened it, looked like it had been used

to burn something. So that one was a bit of a shocker I looked around I I

noticed that uh there were garbage bags missing. I didnt really did a

chance to do like a real I dont know inventory and see what was there

and what wasnt.

CLARK Okay.

TWITCHELL In terms of anything like all original items I didnt really have like a a

chance to really go through it but uh and one thing I really wish that I

wouldve tried to check for was that door. Cuz uh theres those two

garage doors the one that has the automatic power one and the other

one thats a manual and uh I know that we were opening and closing

the manual one to figure out lighting for the shoot and I cant remember

if wed actually closed the lock on it and thats just one of those things

thats out of sight and out of mind. Dont remember closing it back up

or locking that and if I wouldve remember that one I wouldve closed it

for sure but I dont remember personally doing that. Um (Makes noise

with mouth) (Sighs) after everything checked out they got done with

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that I left uh the garage with them. Got into the car, started filling out

my uh statement and uh waited for Detective Topma to show up. So he

got on the scene talked to them caught up on everything that was goin

on. Uh and then (Stammers) you know we all came back to the South

Station at that point and uh went through that first videotaped

interview.

CLARK Anything else?

TWITCHELL Not that I can think of.

CLARK Mm. Just a couple a few things I wanna go over here whats first of all

whats your cell number?

TWITCHELL Nine seven seven.

CLARK Mm hm.

TWITCHELL Seven eight four zero.

CLARK Is that the only one you have or do you have other ones?

TWITCHELL I have one other one.

CLARK Mm hm.

TWITCHELL That ones two seven zero. Eight zero nine seven.

CLARK Which is? Why do you have two like whats?

TWITCHELL Well I initially used it as one for home and one for work. I try to keep

that separate. So that Im not getting you know and my phone numbers

not getting out and stuff like that especially for the business and

whatnot.

CLARK And which ones which?

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TWITCHELL Uh the seven eight four zero that ones my home one.

CLARK And the two seven oh is your work?

TWITCHELL Yeah. I try to use that one primarily for text because its cheaper to do

like in terms of (Unintelligible) messages back and forth between the US

CLARK Which one for text?

TWITCHELL the uh eight zero nine seven one.

CLARK The work one?

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK So is that the one all the people call you on in regards to your business?

TWITCHELL Im trying to shift it that way yeah. I started out with the other one for

the longer time. So Ive got it still a lot of my contacts in there but Im

trying to push it towards the other one.

CLARK Okay. Um just basically I just wanna go back over the uh incident with

the uh first of all what type of car do you drive?

TWITCHELL I have a Two thousand and three Pontiac Grand Am.

CLARK What colors that?

TWITCHELL Maroon red.

CLARK Now when you say Maroon red, what is it? Mm more maroon or more

red?

TWITCHELL Oh its maroon its yeah.

CLARK More maroon.

TWITCHELL Yeah.

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CLARK Two door four door?

TWITCHELL Four.

CLARK What about um your buddys that work with you there? At the garage.

TWITCHELL Mm hm.

CLARK People around, what type of vehicles would they be drivin or?

TWITCHELL Uh (Sighs) okay other cars that have come there that I know of for a

fact. Uh my buddy Scott has a truck. Uh its a white one with a canopy

on the back Im not sure of the make and model though.

CLARK Okay. Okay Scott, whos Scott?

TWITCHELL Scott COOKE. Hes one of the guys that does production design for me

so hes uh he works with uh Mike YOUNG and Jay HOWATSON in building

set pieces and stuff like that.

CLARK Whens the last time Scott woulda been there?

TWITCHELL Woulda been Saturday September twenty-seventh.

CLARK The weekend of the shoot?

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK Okay. What about uh Mike YOUNG and that? Did he drive?

TWITCHELL Uh yeah Mikes gotta van.

CLARK And what about Jay?

TWITCHELL I dont think he has a car.

CLARK So just going back to um I know you had talked to Mike TYLER I think it

was just last night right? That you

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TWITCHELL Mm hm.

CLARK talked to him? The last time you were at the garage, when would that

have been?

TWITCHELL I remember it as Wednesday.

CLARK Last Wednesday so thats nineteen

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK or fifteenth?

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK Okay and thats the day you take the cleaning supplies there?

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK And you buy those the same day?

TWITCHELL I think I did.

CLARK Okay.

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK Whered you buy them from?

TWITCHELL At a Home Depot.

CLARK Which Home Depot was that?

TWITCHELL (Sighs) oh which one did I go to. It was the one in St. Albert well by my

house.

CLARK St. Albert by your house?

TWITCHELL Yeah.

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CLARK Okay. Um so before now the fifteenth Wednesday whens the time you

were there before that?

TWITCHELL The previous Friday.

CLARK So were talking for (Overtalk)

TWITCHELL Tenth.

CLARK so its the tenth. Okay and what was goin on on the tenth?

TWITCHELL Uh in the afternoon I got there to clean up. That was my cleanup day.

CLARK Okay youre cleaning up, what are you cleaning up

TWITCHELL Just

CLARK that day?

TWITCHELL what we left there from the shoot all the trash, the coffee cups, the

extraneous stuff any kind of like if there was anything left that was like

a an object like a cushion or something that had like my uh corn syrup

mix on it or something like that I try to get that outta there so it wasntuh attracting bugs or anything.

CLARK Okay and was that the day that you wiped all the current corn syrup and

all that type of stuff?

TWITCHELL Yeah well we tried to manage that more on the shoot on the day uh cuz

that stuff just gets everywhere and that was an untested affect that we

actually done it was like two hours trying to dick around with that thingjust to make it to see if we could get it to look right. Um but so I mean

generally its the mess yeah. Trying to get anything that still had that

stuff on it outta there. Im still not sure if I got it all.

CLARK Okay. So youre there on the tenth, thats the Friday.

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TWITCHELL Mm hm.

CLARK What about before the tenth do you remember?

TWITCHELL Before the tenth. Uh I have to look at a calendar. (Mumbles)

(Unintelligible) the twenty-seventh uh I dont know I I mighta gone back

a couple days after the shoot or something to try ta see if there was

anything that I missed.

CLARK What do you mean see if theres anything you missed?

TWITCHELL Well I rented well not rented I borrowed I borrowed some video

equipment from a friend of mine named Spencer COPELAND he had lent

us his uh camera to shoot with. His tripod. Uh and uh you know like the

basic uh video recorder machine ta save all of our footage to. And uh

when he came back to my place to pick it up he got the camera and the

recorder but he left a couple of cables behind and uh his tripod and stuff

like that. So (Stammers)

CLARK When did he pick that stuff up at?

TWITCHELL Oh I dont remember. I dont remember what day that was.

CLARK Okay.

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK So you remember being there on the tenth you were cleaning up was

there anybody with you are you by yourself?

TWITCHELL No its just me.

CLARK Alright. And when youre doing the clean up then are you using

ammonia and all that on that day is there

TWITCHELL Mm hm.

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CLARK a big clean up or? So

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK and then on the fifteenth you go back with more supplies was it to clean

up on the fifteenth or what were you doing on the fifteenth?

TWITCHELL No that was uh because I had used so much cleaning supplies before to

try to get that place that uh I had realized I was gonna need more the

next time so if there was a next time Id have that stuff there and so I

just dropped it off to stay there and be used in the future at some point.

CLARK Okay. When youre there on the tenth what time are you there at?

TWITCHELL On the tenth so now were at, that was a Friday right?

CLARK Friday.

TWITCHELL Yeah no I got there around three. Left sometime between five and five-

thirty.

CLARK Okay and then on the fifteenth what time were you there?

TWITCHELL Uh the fifteenth was the Wednesday.

CLARK Yeah.

TWITCHELL Yeah that was I got the to that area around uh one-thirty. And then Joss

and I were both outta there before four. Four-thirty something like

that. I think it was like no yeah it was before four oclock it was

three-thirty to four around there.

CLARK Okay. And you and the fifteenth.

TWITCHELL Mm hm.

CLARK Thats the day where the car comes into play.

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TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK Okay. So going back now to here, what I want you to do is take your

mind back to the fifteenth.

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK Um Im gonna go through that whole day with you as to what was going

on on the fifteenth. Okay so now were going back till till last

Wednesday, four days ago.

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK Alright. Uh take me through your day there. Um tell me whats goin onuh right from basically the time you wake up.

TWITCHELL Hm.

CLARK And the reason I do that is I just I I like to bring my witnesses back to

important days, its an important day because this this is the day with

the vehicle.

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK And I want you to just walk through uh tell me what you did from the

time you woke up. Uh take your time. And just walk me through your

day that day and then well work our way up to the car and see if

somethin maybe (Stammers) that you might jog your memory you know

about somethin else that maybe might be important here.

TWITCHELL Okay. Uh well my days are pretty routine. They bleed together uh as

far as like anything specifically special about Wednesday in the morning I

cant remember anything specific. Um usually I just I wake up

somewhere between eight and nine. Uh get up get ready. Um I cant

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really its tough for me to work from home (Laughs) because of the

distractions that are there.

CLARK Uh huh.

TWITCHELL Uh but I I can get it done cuz I do have like an office in my basement and

so um I got up uh checked emails try to see what my plan was for the

day. I had some line items Im sure that I need to get taken care of. Uh

a lot of that stuff is daily movie producing stuff which just has to do with

calling to follow-up with investors, sending out business plans uh getting

things followed-up on that way. Uh finding out as long as like you know

that our gap programs still going through that the all that informations

okay. Um and just you know basically staying on top of that stuff. Uh

(Stammers) we come upstairs and sometimes if uh my wife needs to just

grab a shower Ill watch the kid for twenty minutes before I leave and

sometimes its not necessary. Um theyre specifically Wednesday I dont

remember which was which on that one. Cuz it just shakes up all the

time. Uh then I would leave. (Sighs) Throughout the morning if uh well

obviously picking up the cleaning supplies woulda been on my item list

so that shopping trip wouldve been one thing that I did that morning uhbut you know I cant remember also if it was like either the (Sighs) the

Tuesday or the Wednesday uh these are the things that I dont really log

in my mind, like saving the dates of the stuff. But uh picked the stuff

up. And then my next destinations a coffee shop. I like to be able to

operate outta those its just a comfortable, comfortable environment I

can get on the phone and I can talk to people. Um do some basic

networking, write down some things that I need to remember. Things

that I need to send out. Uh (Sighs) if I have anything to pick up in terms

of uh like a Western Union or something like that thats gone through

either through an eBay thing or something like that that Ill get those

line items taken care of. Um I think on Wednesday I might of actually

shipped an eBay item. Go grab lunch. Uh and then after lunch was the

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next destination was the uh garage. So started out for the south side.

Uneventful trip if I remember. You know

CLARK Okay.

TWITCHELL nothing special there.

CLARK Okay.

TWITCHELL And uh yeah thats it and then the next the next thing was to stop at

the gas station.

CLARK What time do you get to the garage?

TWITCHELL Uh I got there right around a quarter to two.

CLARK What do you do there first?

TWITCHELL Well this

CLARK Like

TWITCHELL was the car thing

CLARK take take your

TWITCHELL (Unintelligible)

CLARK mind

TWITCHELL so

CLARK back to the garage.

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK Tell me (Stammers) what youre driving, where you park.

TWITCHELL Sure.

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CLARK Um what you notice.

TWITCHELL Well so I left the gas station and pull up and the the phone call takes

place with the co-producer. And uh talked to him, get the tap on the

window, I mean we went through all that. And (Overtalk)

CLARK Okay thats what, thats what I want you to take me back to.

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK Take me back to all that incident there. Youre you youre lets go back

to your lunch. Youre at lunch. Where do you go for lunch?

TWITCHELL I dont remember.

CLARK Dont know where where you went for lunch?

TWITCHELL No. Sometimes I grab a drive through or something like that but.

CLARK Okay.

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK Where do you go from there?

TWITCHELL From having lunch?

CLARK Yeah.

TWITCHELL Then I go for well the gas station. So I mean my (Overtalk)

CLARK Okay when you say (Overtalk)

TWITCHELL my ultimate destination (Overtalk)

CLARK the gas station, which gas station are you talking about?

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TWITCHELL Oh the ones that uh just off of Whitemud and Fiftieth Street. When you

come off of Whitemud and turn on Fiftieth to go south.

CLARK Mm hm.

TWITCHELL Its the one thats across the street from the Tim Hortons right there.

CLARK What what brand what what station is that though? Is it PetroCan, Shell,

Esso?

TWITCHELL I think its Shell.

CLARK Okay. And what do you do in there?

TWITCHELL Uh filing up my jerrycan.

CLARK And what are you doing that for?

TWITCHELL Well two reasons, one its good to have it in the car in case Im getting

low uh but also we were uh looking at getting a lawn mower I know its

kind of you know late for this season we were able to borrow and

electric one for uh our purposes this year but were gonna eventually

wanna get a gas powered one and its gonna be helpful to have for that.

CLARK Okay and wheres that jerrycan now?

TWITCHELL In my trunk.

CLARK Of your Grand Am?

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK Okay so did you use any of the gas out of that jerrycan?

TWITCHELL I put some of it in my tank. Yeah.

CLARK Okay. And when youre doing remember how much gas you put in there?

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TWITCHELL Uh probably maybe half the can worth.

CLARK Okay. Like is it a big one or a small one or what?

TWITCHELL (Stammers) about like this.

CLARK Five gallon?

TWITCHELL Five liters or so. Yeah.

CLARK Okay. So youre at, so you drive from lunch to the gas station?

TWITCHELL Mm hm.

CLARK On your way to the garage?

TWITCHELL Right.

CLARK Okay. What happens next?

TWITCHELL Then I pull out I go continuing down Fiftieth Street with the intention to

turn right on Fortieth Ave in order to get to the garage. Thats when my

phone call happens.

CLARK Sorry just taking your back a step cuz I wanna I wanna really go over the

fine (Stammers) finite details here.

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK This is why I find that when I do this even though you its its basically

irrelevant to what were getting at it will help you remember things

when we get to the meat of the (Stammers) story.

TWITCHELL Okay.

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CLARK You know. When youre fillin up with gas, do you pull right up to the

pump, do you park to the side, do you walk up like how how does that

happen that (Overtalk)

TWITCHELL I park to the side.

CLARK Okay what do you then?

TWITCHELL Uh open my trunk get the jerrycan out.

CLARK Mm hm.

TWITCHELL And then I go to fill it up.

CLARK Could anyone have been watching you at that time?

TWITCHELL Uh maybe.

CLARK Okay you didnt notice anyone though?

TWITCHELL No.

CLARK Oh okay.

TWITCHELL I wasnt really (Stammers) checking behind my back (Overtalk)

CLARK So do you

TWITCHELL or anything

CLARK remember which pump you went up to?

TWITCHELL No.

CLARK Regular, supreme

TWITCHELL Regular.

CLARK Okay and then what do you do after you fill it up?

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TWITCHELL Put it back into the trunk and then go in and pay for it.

CLARK Okay so I dont know that station but its just gotta is it a store or?

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK A big store or thats a little thing?

TWITCHELL Well its relatively big.

CLARK Okay was do you remember how many people were there or?

TWITCHELL Uh a handful probably three or four.

CLARK Okay so you just went in and paid? Do you remember cash, credit card?

TWITCHELL Cash Im pretty sure.

CLARK Alright. So now you leave there, where do you head from there?

TWITCHELL Then I go on Fiftieth Street south and Im going to take a right on

Fortieth Ave. Thats when the phone call (Stammers) makes place and

then I decided (Overtalk)

CLARK Okay a phone call now from who?

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK Who?

TWITCHELL From my co-producer.

CLARK Whats his name?

TWITCHELL (Sighs) uh his name is R.P. DANIELS. He well its Robert P. DANIELS he

likes to go by Pete he leaves his voicemail as R.P. but

CLARK Mm hm. And wheres he calling from?

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TWITCHELL Los Angeles.

CLARK And what company does he work for?

TWITCHELL Uh Sunflower Media Corp.

CLARK Or is he I was just gonna say is he self-employed but And do you know

Mister DANIELS phone number?

TWITCHELL Yeah. Um dont have it on me though.

CLARK Where do you keep that?

TWITCHELL In my uh regular phone. Its in my car at the moment.

CLARK Okay. Alright so you get a call from him, where are you when you get

the call from him?

TWITCHELL I am almost right at Fortieth Ave about to turn right.

CLARK So what do you do then?

TWITCHELL Uh pull over. At that point. Cuz I dont wanna be on the phone and

driving at the same time so I--

CLARK Okay and where do you pull over?

TWITCHELL I pull over like just as I turn on Fortieth Ave. Right at that street there.

CLARK So as I recall theres that little strip mall there.

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK You do you pull into the strip mall or on the street?

TWITCHELL On the street.

CLARK Okay. So which curb are you then would you be on the north curb?

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TWITCHELL South. Be south curb wouldnt it? If youre still facing--

CLARK Well you were going south on Fiftieth.

TWITCHELL Oh if youre yeah okay so north curb yeah.

CLARK Okay. So you pull and you stop there.

TWITCHELL Mm hm.

CLARK And how long are you stopped there for?

TWITCHELL The entire time through the conversation?

CLARK Yeah like approximately how long (Overtalk)

TWITCHELL Oh (Sighs) maybe four or five minutes. Less than that I dont know like

with time its weird because you say like you know thirty seconds but if

you actually sit there and let thirty seconds tick by (Laughs) it feels

longer.

CLARK Yeah.

TWITCHELL So

CLARK Oh no I

TWITCHELL I mean

CLARK understand that.

TWITCHELL Three four minutes I guess.

CLARK Okay what happens next?

TWITCHELL Well once weve concluded the conversation decide what were gonna

do then uh I start to pull out and give him a couple of seconds to follow

me.

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CLARK No no no no no. Go back, youre on the phone.

TWITCHELL Oh okay.

CLARK Youre on the phone

TWITCHELL On the phone.

CLARK tell me what happens from there.

TWITCHELL Well uh Im on the phone and Im talking to R.P. and he uh is just

informing me about whats happening with the people that hes talking

to hes got uh guys out of his rolodex that wants to to talk to about

investing in the first round of the financing for our film. Um I tell himgreat send me an email with the uh information so I can send them an

email with my treatment business proposal the basic stuff that theyre

gonna wanna be able to take a look at in order to be involved in the

project. Uh and then that conversation concludes. Uh hang up the

phone and thats when the tap on the window.

CLARK Okay which window.

TWITCHELL It was um would be my front passenger side window.

CLARK Okay and what what do you see tell me everything thats goin on, take

your mind back to sitting in that car now.

TWITCHELL Mm hm.

CLARK And tell me everything you notice goin on around you what you see.

TWITCHELL Okay. Um theres some traffic parked in the strip mall and by the Mary

Browns.

CLARK Mm hm.

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TWITCHELL Uh the guy who was tapping on the window is leaning forward uh looking

in with a bit of a smile on his face. Uh Im sorta tryin ta access him see

whats goin on with that uh dont wanna get carjacked or anything so

(Laughs) theres that (Stammers) element to it. Um other things I dont

really like I didnt (Stammers) what do you

CLARK Well was your window up? Down?

TWITCHELL It was up at the time all of them were up.

CLARK Okay and what happens next?

TWITCHELL Next I roll down the window. I dont actually have like power windows

so I reach over ta unroll it.

CLARK Mm hm.

TWITCHELL And uh just kinda do like the head not thing ta you know whats up. And

uh from that point thats when he explains his situation.

CLARK Okay tell me what he said.

TWITCHELL Okay. He says how you doin. I was wondering if perchance you uh

would be interested in buying a car. And uh I said well what do you

mean and uh so then he goes well basically Ive got this car that I need

to sell. Ive hooked up with this really rich woman who wants to take

care of me (Laughs) and you know Im not sure if Im being fed a story

here or what but hes you know it goes on and says that uh shes gonna

end up buying me a brand-new car when we come back from a vacation

that were gonna take together. And uh so at that point Im thinkinokay well lucky bastard (Laughs) so you know he goes um I just wanna

get rid of it so I can take off and I dont really care how much I get for

it. How much do you have on you? I said forty bucks, cuz I knew I had a

little bit of cash in my pocket and um Im kinda laughing at that whole

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concept just like you know Im not expecting him to take it but uh he

says okay sure sounds good. You know how do you wanna do this, do you

want where do you wanna drop it off and uh I tell him well Ive gotta

place just right over here. Its a garage that I use. Uh if you wanna

follow me in there you can just park it in there and uh he goes okay fair

enough so Ill just follow you then. I go okay. He stands up goes back

over to his car I notice that its a small red import. Uh wasnt really

clear on the other details of it at that time from that distance but uh

didnt really think (Stammers) anything of that. Started the car uh

pulled forward slowly so that hed have a chance ta pull in behind me

and follow me to where I was going. Continued down Fortieth Ave.

Would keep uh keep going until the block runs out, uh I forget exactly

what street that is but you turn I guess at that point you turn north and

then as soon as the alley is there turn right again. To go east. Come up

that alley uh and then as soon as I get to the driveway of the garage, I

take the longer way and park in front of the manual door thats closer to

where that couch is sitting. And uh so then he gets the idea of what

were doing, he pulls into the other side. At that point I open my door,

get outta my car. Walk over, hes got the window rolled down from hisside. And uh I explain to him Im gonna go in open the door and then

you can just drive the car in so he goes okay. I go through the gate,

come around to the pedestrian door. Um my padlock still on there so I

open it. Open the door. Walk inside push the button to open the

powered garage door. As soon as its open he completes it by driving

the car inside. Stops the vehicle, turns it off. He gets out from the

drivers side and uh so then Im reaching for my wallet. Pull it out. Get

the cash out. Hand it over to him. He says you know you know just so

you dont think Im a scam artist or anything Im gonna show you some

documentation and you know this is my insurance and registration and

you know (Stammers) like I said in the report I didnt like you know go

over it with a fine tooth comb I (Stammers) thought if hes gonna be

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showing me insurance and registration its probably gonna be legitimate

um he uh had introduced himself uh early as uh as Martin that was the

thing that I did glean a little bit off of what he had on him was the first

name. So saw that part I thought okay. So I mean I didnt ask for him to

(Stammers) give it to me cuz thats kinda like you know you dont know

me from anything and youre just gonna hand over your stuff so I didnt

expect that from him. Um he put it back in his pocket. And uh said you

know okay so I guess were were done and I go oh okay. (Laughs) Im

like well you know I mean are you the original owner? Um he goes yeah I

bought it from the dealership initially three years ago and uh you know

Im the only owner thats had the car at all and Im like okay. Thats

good any major accidents and hes like no no. Anyways I gotta run so he

you know did that um he went back out the garage door that he came in

the door was open this whole time. Uh and then went walking down the

alley and he uh continuing on the east direction back to where the uh

Mary Browns was.

CLARK Okay. You mentioned when he was back at your car there that he stood

up, what do you mean by he stood up?

TWITCHELL Well he was leaned over right for the talking to me part. And then

CLARK Like just (Overtalk)

TWITCHELL stood up

CLARK window then he didnt get in the car your car

TWITCHELL No.

CLARK at all anytime? Okay. Describe this guy to me.

TWITCHELL Uh hes a little bit taller than me. Hes about six two. Cuz Im six, six

one depending on the time of day. Um so had just a little bit of height

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over me. He had uh black hair. Uh hes a Caucasian guy. Uh he was

wearing a green windbreaker with white stripes down uh the side. I just

remember the stripes because I have hoody with stripes and it kinda

stood out. Uh and then (Stammers) just jeans, black shoes. The only uh

distinguishing thing that he had cuz he didnt have any facial hair was

the uh tattoo. On his neck. On his right side.

CLARK What was that tattoo of?

TWITCHELL Uh the best way I could describe it is to call it a a Celtic Knot.

CLARK Whats that?

TWITCHELL Uh (Makes noise with mouth) its like a circle of innerwoven thatch work

I guess you could say. I dont know how to describe that its kinda yeah

just a lot of overlapping pieces that make it look like its uh an intricate

knot working design into a circle. That has a distinctively uh Celtic look

to it. So its something you might see on the front of an Irish church or

something I dont know.

CLARK How big is this tattoo?

TWITCHELL Uh I guess about three inches in diameter.

CLARK Like show me where it would be on your neck.

TWITCHELL Uh about here.

CLARK Right there so quite visible over the (Unintelligible)

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK How longs his hair?

TWITCHELL Uh medium length probably right about here.

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CLARK Covering the ears or not?

TWITCHELL No.

CLARK About the same as yours?

TWITCHELL Uh a little longer.

CLARK Okay. Touching the shoulder or not?

TWITCHELL (Stammers) tou- what?

CLARK Was the back of

TWITCHELL Ha.

CLARK the hair touching the shoulders?

TWITCHELL Oh was the hair touching the shoulder uh no not quite.

CLARK Okay. What style was it in did you notice?

TWITCHELL Uh it was just hanging down kind of slicked back.

CLARK How old?

TWITCHELL Late twenties early thirties.

CLARK Wearin a hat or anything?

TWITCHELL No.

CLARK Glasses?

TWITCHELL No.

CLARK Seem like he was on drugs, drinking anything like that?

TWITCHELL Didnt get that impression.

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CLARK Okay. When he approaches you at your car, where is his car parked?

TWITCHELL Uh it was parked like a kitty-corner is that how you describe it. So

from where I was parked it was like to the forward and to the side. Uh

in that strip mall area.

CLARK Okay is it by a certain store in that strip mall or where?

TWITCHELL Uh

CLARK Like I dont know whats in that strip mall so

TWITCHELL Yeah I dont

CLARK you have to explain that to me.

TWITCHELL I dont really go in there a lot either. Its uh the first like three or four

stalls that are on the inside next to the driveway there that

CLARK Coming off of Fortieth Avenue?

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK Next to which driveway then?

TWITCHELL Uh well when youre comin down Fiftieth Street and this is Fortieth

Ave. like right there.

CLARK Like could you draw it on a on a piece of paper there?

TWITCHELL Mm hm.

CLARK Okay theres a pen there. If you could just draw it out for me that will

give me a better idea of just kinda draw the intersection there and

that strip mall and then where he wouldve been parked.

TWITCHELL Okay. (Short pause) So. This is Fiftieth Street this is Fortieth Ave.

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CLARK Mm hm.

TWITCHELL then I wouldve been like here. And he wouldve been here.

CLARK Okay.

TWITCHELL Like the car was there.

CLARK Is it so is there is this part of the strip mall like theres buildings right

here?

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK Okay. What do you know what hes parked in front of? Which one?

TWITCHELL I dont remember.

CLARK What uh business or whatever. Okay. And where are you parked? Draw

your car in there.

TWITCHELL On on the street. Right here.

CLARK Like where?

TWITCHELL Right before this driveway here.

CLARK So youre right where those marks are?

TWITCHELL Yeah. Right here.

CLARK Okay. Alright. Gives me a better idea okay. So when you when where

where do you first see this guy?

TWITCHELL Uh well I wasnt paying attention I was on my phone so the first I saw

him was probably like just a a couple of steps like up here. Just as hes

coming toward the window.

CLARK Okay. Is he alone?

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TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK No one else around. Okay you go back now where uh he follows you

parks the car in the garage oh one thing I wanted to ask you when did

you put the uh (Makes noise with mouth) oh your other lock on thegarage? When when did you put that on?

TWITCHELL Oh the padlock?

CLARK Yeah.

TWITCHELL (Sighs) uh that was (Stammers) when (Unintelligible) was. I think it was

shortly before we actually shoot the film there. Cuz I asked Mike to pick

it up for me. Uh when he was coming in with other materials so it

wouldve been some time in the week prior to the shoot.

CLARK Oh so youre talkin way back in September then?

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK Okay. And what type was it a combination lock?

TWITCHELL Yeah it was a yeah just a combination padlock.

CLARK And so wheres that lock now?

TWITCHELL I dont know.

CLARK Okay what was the combination to that lock?

TWITCHELL Uh thirty, eight, thirty.

CLARK Who knew the combo?

TWITCHELL Uh me, Mike and Jay.

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CLARK Okay. And where did you buy that lock and uh the latch thing to put on

there?

TWITCHELL Uh the latch thing I picked up from Home Depot. The lock itself was uh

something I asked Mike to pick up uh with other materials for building soI dont know where he got it originally. (Yawns)

CLARK Now the lock thats on there. When you went back when the police

were there.

TWITCHELL Mm hm.

CLARK What is that a combo lock too?

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK Or a key lock?

TWITCHELL No its a combo as well.

CLARK Combo. What was it the same brand name or?

TWITCHELL Uh I dont think so. Mine I dont remember what the brand specificallywas of mine, its just that the look and the style was different. Uh my

original one was silver on the outside with black plastic dial in the

center.

CLARK Mm hm.

TWITCHELL And this one that was uh on there when we went with the police was

just all pure medal ever where. (Yawns)

CLARK Okay youre in the garage. Uh a guys in there uh how does the

transaction go? In regards to buying the car. What do you do like?

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TWITCHELL Well at that point wed already discussed terms basically you know how

much money it was gonna be so I uh gave him the cash out of my wallet

uh then he showed me the documentation trying to reassure me and uh

and that was that was it first as far as what the transaction was.

CLARK Do you not think that kinda strange? I mean I have to ask this, youre

payin forty dollars for a car how much did you think the car was worth?

TWITCHELL Uh (Makes noise with mouth) I thought it was worth somewhere between

three and four thousand.

CLARK But youre payin forty dollars for.

TWITCHELL Yeah so I mean yeah I wasnt sure what to make of it (Stammers) didnt

know if the guy was crazy or you know what the deal was. Um he

seemed to be pretty genuine about his story in terms of what he was

saying. So uh I mean (Stammers) (Unintelligible) take him at his word or

you know whatever. Um but I didnt like I said I didnt pull a whole lot

of stock in it I didnt get my hopes up about it or anything I just figured

you know what well Ill check into it. Um and so planned to of course

check in with AMA see what was going on, see if there was any liens on it

or if it had been report stolen or if any of that stuff was the case then I

would just you know report it right away and get rid of it.

CLARK Did you think it might be stolen?

TWITCHELL I wasnt sure. It didnt seem that way. It didnt look like the car had

been damaged in anyway. Uh the guy seemed to be put together pretty

well in terms of the way he was presenting so--

CLARK But you guys didnt do a bill of sale up?

TWITCHELL No.

CLARK Didnt you think that kinda strange?

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TWITCHELL Uh actually I didnt find out until after the fact that was a normal thing I

never actually purchased or sold a used car before so.

CLARK What you bought all your cars new or what?

TWITCHELL Yeah or through a dealership.

CLARK You still get a bill of sale at a dealership.

TWITCHELL Well yeah (Laughs).

CLARK But

TWITCHELL Thats true.

CLARK I mean you get a bill of sale when you buy a house, you get a bill of sale

come on youre not a young sixteen year old kid here. I

TWITCHELL Right.

CLARK mean that seems a little strange to me.

TWITCHELL I understand.

CLARK Im being honest with you. Right?

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK You dont get a bill of sale youre buying a car for forty bucks thats

work several thousand. You know

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK you dont ask a lot of questions. Its kind of

TWITCHELL Well

CLARK willful blindness.

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TWITCHELL I guess.

CLARK You know what that is?

TWITCHELL Its just yeah I know optimism. Trying to hope for the best I guess.

CLARK Mean you dont get a bill of sale how were you planning to register

that thing?

TWITCHELL Well I was under the impression that you could go to the AMA and get it

registered if you had the VIN number and it all checked out.

CLARK So after he leaves, how long is he in the garage for about?

TWITCHELL Uh not too long, Id say maybe again three four minutes.

CLARK If you saw a picture of this guy again would you be able to identify him?

TWITCHELL I believe so yeah.

CLARK Okay. Unfortunately in these things we just cant throw you a single

picture so we may have to put together a photo lineup.

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK A whole bunch of people cuz its not if something turns out to be

suspicious with this whole file if this guy does in fact turn out to be

missing or foul play and we have to make sure we do a put all our eggs in

a row do everything thing properly here.

TWITCHELL Mm hm.

CLARK So the only picture we have is a single picture today so I cant show you

that tonight.

TWITCHELL Okay.

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CLARK So what I may do is uh so once we get some more pictures our Ident guys

are in during the week. Well get them to put together a photo lineup

and well probably

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK get you to take a look at one

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK of them okay.

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK And see if we can identify this guy. I mean this this tattoo should stick

out like a sore thumb.

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK So.

TWITCHELL I would think so.

CLARK Thats uh one one way that will hopefully can help uh identify him. So

after hes gone what do you do then next?

TWITCHELL Uh I go out the open garage door to get to my car. Take out the

cleaning supplies. Bring them into the garage. Set them on the table

the brown table thats like a wood thing. And uh then I (Sighs) close the

big garage door. Push the button by doing that it closes and then uh I

leave out the pedestrian door. Put the padlock back on. Go around sidethe garage. Get back into my car. And uh and then it just uh it

occurs to me that I dont really wanna leave it there. And Im not

sure if its like you know just a like a feeling about security or what I

just feel a little bit more comfortable about not having it in the garage.

So uh I mean I realize that the car was a manual transmission when I

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was looking at it and making sure that it didnt have like any drugs in the

trunk or anything like that. Um so I call my buddy and I asked him uh

do do you know how to drive a manual transmission car? And uh he goes

yeah why. And I said well you know some weirdest thing just happened

Im not gonna get my hopes up about it or anything like that but uh

basically this is what went down I explained to Joss you know this guy hit

me up after I got some gas that he wanted ta sell me this car and so I I

told him that story and I said you know what is do you think itll be okay

if we just park it at your house. And in in the mean time and then I can

check in with the AMA and figure out whats going on with it. And he

goes uh yeah Im sure thatll be okay. So um Im like alright well well

are you right now hes like Im getting off work. Like okay well actually

if if thats the case do you wanna just meet me at the garage and uh you

know we can we can just take it from here. And he goes yeah okay

thats fine. So at that point get out of the car. Back into the garage.

Wait for him.

CLARK How long does it take him to get there?

TWITCHELL Uh it takes him ten fifteen minutes. Cuz he was already on his way.

CLARK Okay and then what happens when he gets there?

TWITCHELL Uh he gets there he looks at the car checks it out. Uh opens the door he

looked at the uh the numbers on the inside of the door and stuff like

that and was just kind of assessing the situation figuring it out and uh

was talking about the vehicle. He knew a little bit more about it than I

did cuz I wasnt familiar with imports as much and he was just sayingwell this is like you know (Stammers) Joss is a big guy hes like six four I

think. And uh hes like this is like one of the only uh import (Laughs)

hatchbacks that I can actually fit in. Um hes like so I mean if if this

does end up checking out and its not end up being like a stolen car or

anything like that then you know Id be interested in looking at getting it

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from you. Um you know and so hes making joke offers and stuff like

that and uh then uh we just said okay well lets lets move it. So he

gets in starts it. Backs it out of the garage. I close the big door. Go

back to my car. We drive back to his house where he uh stores the

vehicle.

CLARK Okay how do you know Joss like how do you, how are you guys (Overtalk)

TWITCHELL I meet him

CLARK (Unintelligible)

TWITCHELL (Sighs) over three years ago when I was first uh developing the Star Wars

Project that Im working on and uh hes been really instrumental in

helping that thing come to fruition and making that happen. Hes

designed my website for me. Um just known him a long time hes a

really good friend, hang out with him a lot.

CLARK So he drives it over to his house?

TWITCHELL Mm hm.

CLARK Oh and does he live close by or what?

TWITCHELL Yeah. He lives uh just like a couple of blocks away its (Stammers) its

like Fifty-three twenty-five Thirty-fifth Ave.

CLARK Okay.

TWITCHELL So yeah.

CLARK And what do you guys

TWITCHELL Like five blocks.

CLARK do with the car there?

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TWITCHELL Uh at first he parks it on the street. And the uh he contacts his dad

and his dad suggests that he just move it up on ta the the driveway. Cuz

its safer and more legal apparently to do that so he uh goes ahead and

moves it to the driveway area.

CLARK What happened with the license plates on that car?

TWITCHELL Uh I took off the plate he said something about how you need the plate

in order to register it. So I went okay well Ill keep that in mind. Uh so

he unscrewed it, gave it to me. I put it uh into my duffel bag and uh

and then just left it in my car for the most part and then the thing is Im

always moving that bag in and out of the vehicle and moving stuff

around and that kind of thing.

CLARK Mm hm.

TWITCHELL So

CLARK Wheres the plate now?

TWITCHELL I believe its still in the bag.

CLARK Wheres the bag?

TWITCHELL Uh in my car.

CLARK Okay so well get that before you go.

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK So what about the keys to the car? Who kept those? Where are they?

TWITCHELL I did. Ive gotem. Theyre also in my vehicle.

CLARK In this vehicle here?

TWITCHELL Yeah.

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CLARK Okay.

TWITCHELL Or actually I think I might have them on me. Mm Okay these are my

keys. (Sighs) yeah I guess theyre in the car.

CLARK In the car?

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK So the uh when you just goin back you checkin the documents there

the insurance and registration you look at those documents?

TWITCHELL Yeah uh I mean I kind of--

CLARK And you have those documents or where are they?

TWITCHELL No they he kept em. I (Stammers) I got the feeling like if Im taking his

insurance and registration documents that thats kind of like a not

something I should be doing.

CLARK But you obviously looked at the name on there.

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK What was the name on there?

TWITCHELL Uh I saw the first name. Mark. I didnt really remember the last name.

I think it started with a K but Im not sure.

CLARK Was that on the registration and insurance

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK or just-- Thats good uh good job going through that. Got me a few

other little things out of there but. May or may not help. Um one other

way that we can really glean more information from our witnesses is to

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get you just to like I just wanna back you up to the point of the car is at

Joss house. And to take you backwards through this your story.

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK What that does is it youre gonna surprise yourself and youre gonna

remember other little things that you probably just slipped your mind

but you told me the the first time.

TWITCHELL Mm hm.

CLARK So I just want you to go take me back from Joss house and take me back

through to all the way to the the gas can well say. Walk me through

that backwards and tell me and I may write a few things down that you

just remember that you you know you just sometimes it twigs a memory

you know. And

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK uh it really helps in in and it can help me and and you remember in

certain specific details that maybe just slipped your mind the first time.

TWITCHELL Backwards.

CLARK Why dont you start at

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK Joss house and just kinda take me backwards from that.

TWITCHELL Hm. Okay. So (Sighs) what do you mean like just to say it like you knowwere at this point and then before that and then before that or?

CLARK Yeah.

TWITCHELL Okay.

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CLARK Yeah exactly.

TWITCHELL Hm. Uh okay. Well Im at Joss house and the car is parked there. Uh

weve already gone through it and checked it out um cant think if

theres anything else. Before that uh it was parked on the street.Before that we had driven it there from the garage. Before that we

were in the garage. He was looking at the vehicle. Before that he had

just arrived (Laughs) uh okay so sorry Im just tired um before that I

was in the garage waiting for him. Before that I was in my car on the

phone to him. Before that I was back inside the garage. Uh having

just put the supplies down. Before that the guy who had sold the car to

me was in the garage and we were finishing up our conversationbefore he left. And before that (Sighs) uh sorry Im just I dont

know.

CLARK Take your time.

TWITCHELL Im okay. (Laughs) If it makes sense uh before that I was looking at the

documentation that he was showing me. And before that was when I

passed him the money. Before that he was in the car having just pulled

it in. Before that he was outside just before I had the door open. Uh

before that I was around the other side of the garage having told him

where I was going to go I was gonna go in the garage and open the door

for him. (Sighs) And before that we were driving from point A to point

B. He was following me to the driveway. Before that I was parked on

the side of the street just before I took off to have him follow me.

Before that he was standing at the vehicle. My vehicle. Finishing up the

conversation.

CLARK Mm hm.

TWITCHELL Before that he was leaned over opening up the conversation. Before

that was the window tap. Before that was the end of my phone call.

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Before that was prior to me pulling over so I was still in motion. Before

that I was at the gas station. Like how much further back do you want

me to go?

CLARK Thats good. Just up

TWITCHELL Okay.

CLARK to there. Uh thats good then just a couple things I have written down

to ask you. Um you had mentioned well you had a list of things to do

that day on the fifteenth do you still have that list?

TWITCHELL No I wouldve thrown it out by now.

CLARK Okay. You had mentioned too that you had uh stopped at a coffee shop

do you know which one that was?

TWITCHELL Uh it was likely a Tim Hortons.

CLARK You dont know where it is or

TWITCHELL No.

CLARK which one? Youd also stated you shipped an item on eBay, that day.

What did you ship?

TWITCHELL Uh if it was that day, it was a uh leather codpiece its a uh part of a

Darth Vader costume.

CLARK The the mask you mean?

TWITCHELL No the thing that goes under his belt.

CLARK Oh whats it called?

TWITCHELL Its a codpiece.

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CLARK Cod?

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK As in the fish cod?

TWITCHELL Uh no as in like cover your crotch cod (Laughs).

CLARK Well I know that but is that how you spell it?

TWITCHELL (Laughs) yeah.

CLARK Do you sell a lot of stuff on eBay?

TWITCHELL Uh not a ton.

CLARK Oh.

TWITCHELL Once in a while. Ive got some props left over from the movie that Im

trying to unload cuz theyre taking up space.

CLARK Okay. When you um like is this your whole income the movie thing?

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK Like thats what kind of money are you makin at that?

TWITCHELL Oh its pretty decent. Im uh (Stammers) well Im kinda taking my own

salary out of uh my investor money. Which is like I sell equity in the film

in order to get that.

CLARK Right.

TWITCHELL So Im trying to keep it uh to a minimum until the actual full budget

comes through and then its producer fees at that point. So right now

its about four to five thousand a month. And uh and then after the

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producer fees come through itll be ten percent of the total budget of

the film which is three hundred and fifty thousand.

CLARK And does your wife work or anything?

TWITCHELL Uh shes on Mat Leave right now. She works for the Workers

Compensation Board, shes been on Mat Leave since January. Well

actually even a couple of months before that I think she started taking it

early. And she comes off of it uh December January again. Its a one

year.

CLARK Whats your wifes name?

TWITCHELL Jess. Jess.

CLARK Jess?

TWITCHELL J.E.S.S.

CLARK What about your your child whats the childs name?

TWITCHELL Chloe.

CLARK Chloe?

TWITCHELL Mm hm.

CLARK Thats different.

TWITCHELL Hm.

CLARK Little girl then?

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK First one?

TWITCHELL Mm hm.

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CLARK Mm. Man thats tiring.

TWITCHELL (Laughs)

CLARK Thats I got three boys I (Laughs).

TWITCHELL Oh. We got super lucky

CLARK (Unintelligible)

TWITCHELL cuz shes been sleeping through the night since her third week.

CLARK Oh yeah youre lucky.

TWITCHELL So (Laughs) yeah.

CLARK You gotta like that. Ill just check here are there any other questions.

Oh your car. When youre mention uh uh it was broken into.

TWITCHELL Mm hm.

CLARK Remember back I think it was October eighth.

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK You mentioned that you were going to uh with Josh was it Josh?

TWITCHELL Joss.

CLARK Joss

TWITCHELL Mm hm.

CLARK to uh a concert or you were going to watch some show or something?

TWITCHELL Yeah it was a an evening with Kevin Smith.

CLARK Where was that at?

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TWITCHELL So that was at the Winspear Centre.

CLARK Oh okay. And whos Kevin I dont know who Kevin Smith is.

TWITCHELL Uh Kevin Smiths a movie director he did like (Unintelligible) and Mall

Rats and a bunch of other cult classics.

CLARK Oh I see.

TWITCHELL Yeah.

CLARK And what does he do just talk about em is that?

TWITCHELL Uh well its basically a Q and A, people line up uh at a microphone and

uh ask him questions. And he answers them at length with a lot of uh

colorful story telling.

CLARK Okay. How how did your car get broken into?

TWITCHELL (Yawns) uh well I went to park at the Southgate Mall to meet Joss and

then he (Stammers) came and picked me up and we went in his car cuz

we figured one cars a lot easier to park downtown. Uh the show went

from about eight till eleven-thirty they kick him off at eleven-thirty and

then took us another half hour to get back so. We were back in the

parking lot at uh at midnight. (Makes noise with mouth) and

CLARK I mean how did how did they get into the car? How did they get into

your car?

TWITCHELL Oh.

CLARK How did they actually break into it?

TWITCHELL Uh Im not sure. Uh when I when I got to the vehicle it was uh already

unlocked so I mean if I had to guess I would say going in through the

window. Like that thing where you try to you know

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