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mihaajlo ModeratorPosts: 129

I will do m ath for killing 500 monsters in both ways (will takethat 10% is NOT 1-hit on both ways duo monsters enchantments n stats!):

1st DD+im p

Wewill us e all damage boost buffs and pots: ew 1000, fury pot, EA,Fury,Wither350 and all safety buffs: LD,imp,SW,Stun (doge counted too).will take numbersfor my lvl: 32exp per monster with dbl750, 10kstam,Lib200, conserve 200 (notethat there is no difference in stamwise with different lvl of conserve):

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500monsters x 10% 2-hit= 50 round of 2-hit

1-hit rounds:

conserve will save 10% of the combats= 50 will kick

lets add lib200 >> 500combats x 20%= 100 times lib kick

90times lib x 64k exp= 5.76 mil exp

stam: 90x16stam= 1440stam

9 times cons will kick! (-9x16=-144stam)

360monsters 1-hit= 360x32k=11.52 mil exp

stam: 360x16stam=5760stam

36 times conserve will kick! (-36x16=-576stam)

2-hit rounds:

40mobs x (32k+(17,5%exp from AS buff))=1.5 mil exp

stam: 40x32stam=1280stam

4 times conserve will kick! (-4x32=-128stam)

10mobs x (32k+(17,5%exp from AS buff))x2(double exp from lib)=

= 750k exp

stam: 10x32stam= 320stam

1 time conserve will kick! (-1x32=-32stam)

Total exp gained: 5.76+11.52+1.5+0.75= 19.53 mil exp

Total stam used: 1440+5760+1280+320-(144+576+128+32)= 7920 stam

Total monsters killed: 500

Fatality pot road:NO safety buffs, kill or die! defiance buff on, deep pockets on,wither350 on , all damage boost buffs and pots, add SS,SK,SA,DW, piercingstrike,

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critical hit, with fatality potion it will bring us around 85%1-hit all the time. I willuse that we 80% 1-hit!!!

500mobs we will kill 80% 1-hit=400 then cut 10% also duo monstersenchantments and ability, we will 1-hit 360mobs

1st round:

add lib200, we will have double exp on 72mobs

add conserve200, we will save 36 combat rounds

288mobs x 32k exp= 9.216 mil exp

stam: 288x16stam= 4608stam

conserve will save -29x16stam= -464stam

72mobs x 64k exp=4.61 mil exp

stam: 72x16stam= 1152stam

conserve will save -7x16= -112stam

140 deaths: 140x (-6k exp)= -840k exp

stam used: 140

So far we have 9.216+4.61-0.84= 12.986 mil exp

So far we used 4608+1152-464-112+140= 5324 stam

2nd round of killing:

140mobs, 80% 1-hit, then -10%= 100 mobs 1-hit

lib will get 20 mobs for double exp

conserve will kick on 10 mobs

20mobs x 64k exp= 1.28 mil exp

stam: 20x16stam= 320s tam

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conserve will save -2x16= -32stam

80mobs x 32k exp= 2.56 mil exp

stam: 80x16stam=1280stam

conserve will save -8x16stam= -128stam

40 deaths, 40x (-6k exp)= -240k exp

stam used 40

So far we have (in 2nd round!) 1.28+2.56-0.24= 3.6 mil exp

So far we used (2nd round!) 320+1280-32-128+40= 1480 stam

3rd round of killing:

40monsters still alive: 80% 1-hit, then cut -10%, we have 30 1-hit

lib will add double exp on 6mobs, conserve will save stam in 3 combats

6x64k exp= 384k exp

stam used 6x16stam= 96stam

conserve will save 1 combat= -16stam

24x32k exp= 768k exp

stam: 24x16stam= 384s tam

stam saved: -2x16= -32stam

deaths 10: 10x(-6k exp)= -60k exp

stam used 10

So far (3rd round!) we gain: 0.384+0.768-0.06=1.09 mil exp

So far (3rd round!) we used: 80+352+10=442stam

In total: 490 monsters killed with:

exp gain: 12.986+3.6+1.09= 17.676 mil exp

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stam used: 5324+1480+442= 7246 stamina

seems average exp per 1 stam is:

for DD+imp set up: 2466 exp, for fatality set up: 2439 exp

DD+impwill gain 27exp more per stam used in combats..... in 10k stam burnedforkilling we will gain 270k e xp more, so it is minor difference but still better....

alright, now I will input math for wither 350 based on 85% of 1-hit, with same %of miss (10%).

fatality set up where we have 1-hit on 85% of the mobs, we will try to kill 500monsters for easy compare with previous math:

In total exp we will gain 17.737 mil exp

In total stam we will spend 7206stam

We will kill 494 monsters

in previous set ups, average exp per stam was for DD+imp set up: 2466 exp, forfatality(80% 1-hit) set up: 2439 exp,

for this set up (fatality 85% 1-hit) average exp per 1stam will be 2461exp!

SeemsDD+imp with out CA still beats fatality road for 5exp per stam usedinfights, so if we burn 10k s tam on killing monsters we will gain 50k e xpmore inDD+imp....

now lets see what will happen in DD+imp hunt where you are forced touse CA25for one lvl . Since exp numbers are from my lvl, I will use itbased on my lvl, you

need roughly 180 monsters to kill for 1 lvl. Aftercalculation we will have this stats :

Total monsters killed: 500 (180 k illed with CA25),

Total stam spent: 8010, Total exp gained: 19.418 mil exp

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Using CA50 for 1 lvl in hunt will lead to this stats:

Total monsters killed: 500 (180 killed with CA50),

Total stam spent: 8204 , Total exp gained: 19.418 mil exp

So lets compare all 5 set ups:

* DD+imp, no CA needed:

500monsters killed, stam used: 7920, exp gained: 19.53 mil exp

average exp per 1stam is 2466exp

* DD+imp, CA25 used for 1 lvl only:

500monsters killed, stam used: 8010, exp gained: 19.418 mil exp

average exp per 1stam is 2424exp

*DD+imp, CA50 used for 1 lvl only:

500monsters killed, stam used: 8204, exp gained: 19.418 mil exp

average exp per 1stam is 2367

* Fatality 80% 1- hit:

490monsterrs killed, stam used: 7246, exp gained: 17.676 mil exp

average exp per 1stam is 2439exp

* Fatality 85% 1- hit:

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494monster killed, stam used: 7206, exp gained: 17.737 mil exp

average exp per 1stam is 2461exp

Inlight of all this I can make statement that using CA25 for ONLY 1 lvlis worstthen fatality naked set up! Using CA50 or CA75 and using CAfor more lvl's thenone is very bad exp wise choice.....

February 11, 2010 at 6:16 PM Edit Delete Flag Quote & Reply

mihaajlo ModeratorPosts: 129

hmm anot her interesting deed I got in more calculations, with more stam and killedmonsters:

*thebest D D+Imp scenario, in order to kill 1000 monsters: you will

use15872 s tamina in fights, you will kill 1000monsters, you will gain38.685 milexp, you w ill have average of 2437e xp/per 1 stam

*the worst fatality scenario(80% 1-hit), in order to kill 1000 monsters:

youwill use 14476stamina in fights, you will kill 978monsters, you willgain35.256mil exp, you will have average of 2435exp/per 1stam....

asyou can see in average calculation os exp/1stam, only 2exp per stam inadvantageof DD+imp, so it means that fatality 85% 1-hit will beatDD+imp in more burnedstam, based on previous calculat ions, not tomention using of CA any lvl for just

one lvl.....

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jagger4man ModeratorPosts: 93

Yesterday I logged my naked kami hunt with FS helper. I got this numbers afteranalyses

Wins 294 85.71%

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Loses 49 14.29%

Sum 343 100.00%

Stam used on hunting 4753 99.02%

Stam used on Walking 47 0.98%

Total stam 4800 100.00%

Kick - SK 60 17.49%

Kick - SA 29 8.45%

Kick - DW 16 4.66%

Kick - Wither 243 70.85%

Kick - Conserve 25 7.29%

More info in rared excel file

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I'm so confused by this. So many numbers and such awful formatting. But it lookslik e DD+Imp is way better than your naked kami by almost 2M exp overall (notxp /stam wise, but moreso because you don't lose large chunks of exp dying??), so

long as you don't need CA. As soo n as you need CA, you should switch to nakedka mi. Correct? Also, how would reckoning affect these two setups?

Seriously, I can't make heads or tails of your numbers and I'm usually pretty goodwith stuff like this.July 20, 2010 at 12:04 AM Edit Delete Flag Quote & Reply

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mihaajlo ModeratorPosts: 129

Personally Jinxxx I have no idea what you found confusing here, in my math....numbers a re always explained what they mean, and every steep have explanation....naked kam i vs DD+imp dont have only buffs in count, have a lot with monstersenchantme nts (doge, first strike, huge arm monster where ra ench. is on high % andso on...) M any of us tested it in same levels (one player hunting dd+imp another

hunting na ked kami), result is always same 0.5 lvl up to 1.5 lvl more with nakedkami. Hun ting after 460 usually contain one map i a 4 maps where CA is must, sonaked kam i is way better going.

Reckoning will benefit naked kami even more for one simple thing: naked kamiuse 1/3-1/2 buffs less then imp+dd so possibility to kick on AL or Lib (which is theonly important kicking imo simple because all you want in hunting s max exp,right?) is way higher then in dd+imp. There is another HUGE advantage in nakedkami, you kill more monsters in naked kami, so more often lib will kick, which

bring us on more exp and more gold (def n DP really make things way better, exp ngold lose is so smal comparing o n exp n gold that you will gain in those extrakills). Also in naked kami you will have much much more clean 1-hit kills, so itmeans less stam used in killing same amount of monsters.

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but it was almost impossible for me to count how many times reck. kick on AL, soI will leave this to you: you can take merc and hunt, or you can cut it from yourbuff set up.

Now damage boosters and stat twist: KE is okay if needed, if DC is enough (whichI found that in 80% of the maps it is enough), then go without KE, and turn iton/off as needed. Same goes for FI and QF, Resource finder, and any other buff that works this way (for specific tasks!). EA, iron fist and enchanted shield: huh! If you dont need them, do nt use them! I found that atm only iron fist is good for me,no EA, no ES.... Fury is okay for high lvl's duo huge amount of stats on damage.Use pot is possible, cos even those 2,5% extra are useful. I cutBT,SK,SA,Mesmerize,Assist, (using UB only if I hunt with crystal gear!), Chistrike, savagery. They dont get me 1-hit when they kick, I still depend on witherfor that (DW n SS kill monsters instantly of course). I have doubts about DD too,

but many times you can get many kills without death, so that % is nice to have onyour damage overall, just please use highest DD possible (lvl 167 is good as lvl175, ie same kill streak needed for full 20%, only DD200 is better).

I wont mention rest of the buffs we dont use in naked kami, but same goes foreverything, if you dont need it to hit or kill, dont use it: dull edge-why?!,sanctuary? same.... LD,SW,FS,Stun and so on are big big big NO-NO! Either killin 1st jit or die! All this is even more powerful with dbl 1200, you kill moremonsters then DD+imp, and die less (lesser then with dbl 750!).

Knowing all this, your buffs should look like this (remember that you want to useFI,QF,RF,Vision and KE only when you need them, tho if you will need KE in fewmaps, then just leave it, it isnt worth all that stam to turn off/on...) PLEASEALWAYS turn off BM after you drink a ll pot s! :

Doubler, Librarian, Adept Learner, Merchant (up to you if you want or not),Treasure Hunter, Animal Magnetism, Conserve, Wither, Death Dealer, Berserk,Enchanted Armor(iron fist and enchanted shield same like EA-up to you if you

want or not), Enchant Weapon, Dark Curse, Deathwish, Keen Edge, Shield Strike,Defiance, Deep Pockets, Brewing Master, Light Foot, Reckoning.

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