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Episode155:ThrivingWithFoodAllergiesor

IntoleranceandCrushingLifeWiththePaleoChef

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Child:WelcometomyMommy’spodcast.

ThispodcastisbroughttoyoubyAirDoctor.Didyouknowthattheairinsideourhomescanbeupto500timesasdirtyastheairoutside?ItcanbefilledwithharmfulVOC’s,allergens,bacteriaandmore.I’vebeenlookingforanairfilterthatfiltersoutallofthesesubstancesandisquietandthatdoesn’tbreakthebank,foralongtime.AndtheAirDoctorfiltermeetsallmycriteria.Itremovesalmost100%ofparticlesfromtheair,includingVOCs,thosearethingsreleasedfromcandles,paint,buildingmaterials,carpeting,cleaningproducts,hairspray,airfreshenersaremore.Filtersoutpollenandotherallergens,petdanderandanimalhair,moldsporesanddustmites,cigaretteandcigarsmoke,andviruses,germsandbacteria.Oneofmyfavoritethingsaboutitiswhattheycallautomodewherethefanspeedbasicallyadjuststotheappropriatelevelbasedonthecurrentairconditioninthehome.It’sbeenreallyfascinatingtoseeinourhouse,forinstance,thefiltersspeedupwhenwe’vecookedfoodathighheat,orusedcleanersthatsomeonegaveusthatwethoughtwerenaturalbuttheymadethefiltersspeedup.IknowairfilterscanbepriceywhichiswhyI’veteamedupwithAirDoctortogetamassivediscountforlisteners.Youcanget50%offrightnowbygoingtowellnessmama.com/go/air-doctortogetthediscount.

ThispodcastisbroughttoyoubyBeekeepersNaturals.Humanshavebeenbenefittingfrombeesandtheirnourishingsuperfoodssinceprehistorictimes.FromCleopatrausinghoneytokeepheryouthfulglowtoHippocratesprescribingpropolistocureeverythingfromsorestobacterialinfection.Ourhealingrelationshipwithbeesgoeswayback.BeekeepersNaturalsisdedicatedtobringingtheage-oldbenefitsofbeeproductsintomoderntimes.Andtheyofferreallyhighqualitypropolis,royaljelly,beepollenandrawhoneyandmanyotherproducts.Andallofthesearesustainablysourcedfromacompanythatisdedicatedtoprotectingandimprovingthebeepopulation.Mypersonalfavoritesaretheirpropolisspray,whichhelpedmetoheadoffascratchythroat,andtheirB.LXRmixwhichisamixtureofallofthoseingredientsandit’sanaturalnootropicthatIuseonbusydays.Youcancheckthemoutatwellnessmama.com/go/beekeepers

Katie:HelloandwelcometoTheHealthyMomsPodcast.I'mKatiefromwellnessmama.com.AndtodayI'mherewithapersonalfriendandsomeonewhoIreallyadmireandlove.MaryShenoudaisahighlysought-afterprivatecheftoA-listactors,professionalathletesandhigh-octaneentrepreneurs.Sheburstonthescenein2013andunderthenomdecuisineThePaleoChefafterleavingasuccessfulcareerinthestartupworldtopursueherpassionforthetransformativepowerofcleaneating,apassionmarkedbyherowntransformationalexperiencethatwe'regonnatalkabout.Alongtimesufferofundiagnosedfoodallergies,shetookherhealthintoherownhandslikemanyofushaveanddiscoveredaftermuchexperimentationthatapaleo-centricdietwasherkeytosolvingallofherissues.Herfocusoncleaneatinghasfoundaworldwideaudienceinitsfewshortyearsandhasledtothecreationofafinediningmenuconsultancy,aperformancefoodlinecalledPhatFudgethatsellsoutassoonasshecanmakeit.Andherworkhasbeenfeaturedallovertheworldandtheinternet,includinginFood&Wine,Glamour,TheJoeRoganExperienceandmanymore.Hermottoissimple,"Eatclean,playoftenandcrushlife,"andshelivesitperfectly.Sowelcome,Mary,andthanksforbeinghere.Mary:Thanksforhavingme.Iadmireandloveyoutoo.Katie:It'sgonnabesofun.IfeellikeeverybodyjustgetstolistenwhenIchatwithfriendsbecausewe'rereal-lifefriends.

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Mary:Yes.Katie:IknowI'veheardyourstoryandit'sanamazingstory,butI'dloveifyoucouldstartthereatthebeginning,sotospeak,becausealotoflistenersarefacingorhavefacedhealthchallenges,andIthinkthey'llreallybeabletorelatetoyouandbenefitfromyourstory.Mary:Yeah.Soformeitstartedasakid,soyoudon'treallyknowwhat'sgoingoninhindsightis20/20,butIstartedtogetreallybadmigraineswhenIwasinsecondgradeandtheywerealmostweekly,andyou'dgotoschoolandyou'dbeinalotofpain.Andunfortunately,thenurse,ifyoudon'thaveafever,they'dthinkyou'resortofmakingupthepain.SoasakidIalwaysfeltalittlebitbetrayed.Luckily,mymomalwaysbelievedmewithmyheadachesbecauseshealsohadmigraines.Buttheywouldgetsobadthattherewouldbelikeprojectilevomits.SoIjustsortofdealtwithhavingmigrainesasakid.AndwhenIwouldgotothedoctor,theywouldn'treallyhaveananswerformymomandessentiallytellmethatImustbemakingitupinsomewayorcausingtheheadachestosomesortofstress.AndIhadaprettychillchildhood,soIneverreallyboughtintothat.Andovertime,themigrainesthenwentovertoalsohavingskinissuesreallybad,somethingcalleddermatographiawhereyouscratchontoyourskin,itraisesup,andthenmovingintohavingreallyawfulhormoneissuesandhaving…alwaysfeltlikeheavinessbehindmyeyes.Andthenintomy20's,weightfluctuationsandhavingdoctorswanttotestyouandtrytodiagnoseyouwithlupus,withcancer,withmercurytoxicity,withbasicallythrowingdartsandneverreallylookingtowardsthegut.Anditwasn'tuntilIcameupontheTEDTalkbyDr.TerryWahlsabout"MindingYourMitochondria"thatitallstartedtomakesense.Andatthatsametime,Iwassendingoutmyownlabworkforauto-immunetestingforglutenintolerance.AndI'dalreadyreceivedabloodtestforthatwhenIwasinoneofmyhundredsofdoctorappointments,andthoseallcamebacknegative.ThenIhadlearnedthatbloodtestsforthatatthetimecouldbe60%orupto60%inclusive.SoIwasdoingastooltestthatunfortunatelywasn'tcoveredbyinsuranceatthetime.Itwasprettyexpensivebutworthit.AndIwasexpectingaglutenintolerancebecauseIhadalreadystartedtoremovethatfrommydietafterIlearnedwhatIdidinthatTEDTalk.Istartedtofeelbetter,butitcamebackandsaidthatIwasactuallyfull-blownCeliac,butthenalsointoleranttocaseinandsoy.Soforme,thatwasthegreatestdayofmylifebecauseIhadanswersandfromthenonneverreallylookedback.Andthat'sashortstory.Katie:It'samazing,andIknowthatyoulivethelife.AndIcanonlyimaginethoughbecauseIhadfoodallergiesaswellbutnevertothedegreethatyouhave.Yousaidthat'sthegreatestdayofyourlife,butwastherealsolikeasenseoflossatallthatday,likefindingoutyouwouldnevereatthosefoodsagain,orwereyouabletojustmakethatmentalshift?Mary:Yeah,Igetaskedthatquestionalot.I'vedefinitelyhadsomefriendsaroundthesametimecomebackwiththeirowndiagnosis,andtheirresponsewasthetotallydifferentthanmineandIunfortunatelyjustcouldn'tunderstandthat.Iwaspumped.Forme,anythingisbetterthanfeelinglikecrapeverydaybecauseIdon'tknowtowhatextenttheywereuncomfortable.LikeIdroppedoutofhighschool,IwenttocorporateAmerica,Iwas15yearsyoungerthaneveryoneelse,andnotonlydidIhavetoperformasgreatasmycolleagues,butIhadtoperformbetterbecauseIhadtoreallyprovemyself.Likenevermindbeingapersonofcolorandbeingawomanandhavingthosethings,justnumbers-wise,Ihadtoout-performthemtoearnmy

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seatatthetable.AndIwasdoingthatinconstantpain.IwasanathleteinhighschoolandlikeIwouldhavemigrainesbeforebasketballgamesandIwouldbesittingsidelinewithathingwrappedaroundmyheadtogettemporaryreliefsidelineandthentellmycoach,"Iamreadytogoin,"goinforafewminutesandthenlookatherandshe'dpullmeoutbecausesheknowsmymigrainesgotbad.Soformetonotdealwithanyofthatanymoreandthenfinallyunderstandwhatit'sliketophysicallyfeelgoodwhenyou'vespentyourwholelifehavingtoconvinceyourselftoshowupandfeelgood,thattome,thatwasgreat.Katie:Yeah,thatmakessense.AndIcanonlyimagine.Sohowdidyou...Likeonapracticallevel,howdidyoumakethisshift?Becausethatisabig...Formostpeople,atleastthat'sahugechangeovernight.Sodidyouresearchit?Iknowthatthat'sbecomeapassionofyourstooandyousharealotofreallyhelpfulresourcesonyourwebsite,buthowdidyoukindofmakethetransitionlikeonaday-to-daypracticalbasis?Mary:Ironically,itwasjustgoingbacktoeatingthewaythatmymomcookedforme.SoifyoulookatwhysecondgradewasthetimeinwhichIstartedtogetmigraines,it'sthetimeinwhichIwouldfeelself-consciousabouttheMediterraneanfoodmymomwouldmakemebecauseIwenttoanAmericanschoolandtheydidn'treallyunderstandfalafelsandfoul.AndIwouldtakeadollarandstarteatingschoollunches,andthatwaspizzas,thatwasbrownies,thatwaspotatochips,andwhoknowswhatwereinallthosethings.SoIwasjustrevertingbacktoeatingaprimarilyMediterranean-influenceddiet,cookingitformyself,obviously,andthenjustfindingsubstitutionswhichGoogleisreallygreatforthat,andthenalotofplayinginthekitchen.Soitwasn't...Idon'tknow.MaybeIdon'thavethesamerelationshipwithfoodormaybemyeatingwasn'tsofaroff.Imean,trustme,IdefinitelyloveJackintheBox.Idefinitelylovedallofmyjunkfood,butitwasn'tthatdifficult.AnditalsocouldbethatIknowhowtocooksinceIwasakidbecauseitwasjustpartofthefamilygrowingupthatitwasjustmoreoftakingcontrolofeachmeal.Katie:Yeah,that'sawesomethatyouhadthatbackgroundbecausethatseemstostillbeinresearch,thegoldstandardistheMediterraneandietbecauseoftherightbalanceoffatsandallthemonounsaturatedfatsandallthediversevegetablesandspices.Sothat'ssoawesome.Mary:Yeah.There'snotalotofbread.Imean,pitadefinitelyisabigpart.Imean,pitaissuchabigdealinthatculturethatthegovernmentcontrolsthebreadsupplyinEgypt.Butitwasjustamatterofmakingpitainadifferentwayandtheneverythingelseisjusthealthyproteinsandvegetableswithmoderategrains,mostlyseafoodtoo.Seafoodandorganmeatistheprimarystuffthatweategrowingup.Katie:That'sprettymuchhowI'veadaptedtoeatingtoo.WemightpreferanchoviesforlunchandIlove,love,lovethem.AndIshouldhavementionedatthebeginningthatyouareGreekandEgyptian,whichifIcouldpicktwofoodculturesandonlyeatthosefortherestofmylife,IthinkIwouldpickMediterraneanandGreek.Sothat'sawesomethatyougrewupwiththat.Sowhenyoumadethisshift,howlongdidittakebeforeyoursymptomssubsidedandbeforeyoureallystartedseeingthechangesinyourbodyandinyourlife?Mary:ThreemonthsiswhatIwouldsayisthetotalshift.Sowithin,Iwannasaytwoorthreeweeks,Iwokeupwithoutaheadache.SoIalwayshadaheadacheandthenIwouldhavemigrainesonceortwiceaweekandthenonceamonth,unfortunately,I'dbehospitalizedfromthemigraines.ButIwokeupwithoutaheadacheafterthefirstfewweeksandIalmostfeltlikeitwasatrick.Itwasabizarresensation,andlikeIshookmyheadaroundalmostexpectingandwaitingforthefamiliarpaintoshowup,thenitdidn't.Andthehormonestarted

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tobalanceoutoverthecourseofamonthandahalf.Andtheweightwasn'tmyprimarygoalforthis.Iwantedtofeelbetter,butIlostaround30to40poundsinthefirstthreemonths,andthatwasjustbychangingwhatIwaseatingandactuallyincreasingthecaloricintake.Andbecausemybodyfeltbetter,Iwasabletodomoreinthegym.SoI'msureallthosethingsplayintotheweightloss,butitwasinterestingtoseeyourbodychangewhenyouthoughtyourbodywasaparticularshapethisentiretimebutitwasactuallyhidingbeneathlayersandlayersandlayersofhormonedisruption.Katie:Ilovethat.Andhavingeatenmealswithyou,Ilovethataboutyoubecauseyou'renotoneofthosewomenwhoeatslikethreebitesandhalfasaladandislike,"I'msofull."Younourishyourbody.AndIthinkthat'smaybeamistakealotofwomenmake,istheythinktheyhavetoeatlessandlessandlessfoodandyou'rekillingyourmetabolismbydoingthat.SoIknowthatyoudon'thavekidstodealwithdaytoday,butalotofmylisteners,theirbiggestcomplaintisthatittakessomuchtimeandsomucheffortandit'ssohardtogethealthyfoodonthetableallthetime.AndIthinkyou'reespeciallyqualifiedtospeaktothisbecauseyoudon'tdoitforkids,butyoudoitforlikedozensofpeoplewhoarelikeA-listpeoplewhohaveprobablyveryhighstandardsandyoudon'tgocrazy.SoI'dlovetohear,well,firstofall,let'sgotothestoryofhowthathappened.HowdidyougofromcorporateAmericatobecomingapersonalizedcheftothestars?Mary:Itwassortofaccidental.Iwas...SoI'vealwayswornmanyhatsincorporateAmerica,andmyactualfunctionwassalesmarketingandconsulting,BCconsultinginSanFrancisco.ButIvolunteeredwithalotofdifferentprogramsinhighschoolandIkeptthatsortofcoachingmentalitythroughintocorporateAmerica.SoI'vedonebereavementcounseling,domesticviolencecounseling,bodylanguagecounseling.AndsowhenIwasincorporateAmerica,theyhadalwaysaskedmetodoalittlebitofextrawithteams.AndsoIwasjustdoingthatnormalstuff,anditwasafteracallorameetingthatIhadrelatedtoournumbersforthemonth.ThenIwasaskedbythisperson,"Whathaveyoubeendoingdifferentlybecauseyou'reobviouslyhealthyoryou'reinlesspain?What'sthisdietyou'reinto?"AndIkindasortofbackdooredintothewordpaleoatthetime.Iwasnoteatingglutenandcaseinandsoy,andthenatthesametimepaleowasbecomingpopular,anditwaseasiertosaypaleothanthosethings.Solike,"Tellmeaboutthispaleodiet."SoIexplainedwhatitwasandhowIate.Iwasbringingmyfoodtowork,sopeoplesawwhatIwaseating.Andthisgentlemansaid,youknow,"Idon'treallyhavetimetocookformyself.Whydon'tyoudoitformeandI'llpayyou?"AndIkindalaugheditoff.Andtheresponsewaslike,"No,I'mwillingtopayXamount."AndIlivedinSanFrancisco,sotome,havingasidehustlethatIwasalreadydoingformyselfanyways,sothenit'sreallyawesomehaveextramoney.AndaroundthatsametimeIwasgettingmywisdomteethremovedbecausetheywereimpactedandcoiledaroundthenerve.SoIhadtogetputoutforthat.AndwhenIcameto,afterthatprocedure,myoralsurgeonwaslike,"I'msoexcitedforyoutobemyprivatechef."SoapparentlymysubconsciousinmyramblingswasalreadybelievingthatIwasaprivatechef,andthoseweremyfirsttwoclients,unofficially,butofficially.AndsoIwascookingforthosetwopeopleforaboutthreemonths.Andinmymind,itwasjustgonnabeasidehustle,andIthoughtitwasprettycool.Andthenultimately,mybodybrokedownbecauseIcouldn'tbehandlingmymillion-dollarquotainthisandIhadtochoose.AndItookadayofffromworktoreallythinkaboutwhatitisthatIwantedtodowiththis,andIwasattheFerryBuilding,andIwaswithmyfriendwhowasplayinghookywithme.AndIwenttogoopenthedoorbecauseIsawagentlemancomingtowardsme,andIopenedthedoorforhimandhepausedandsaid,"Oh,youknow,chivalryisnotdead."Andhesaid,"Thankyou."AndIwassortof

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thrownoffthathethankedmewhilehewasthrownoffthatIevennoticedthatorthathenoticedthatIopenedthedoorforhim,andhewalkedout.AndmyfriendlookedatmelikeIwasamoronandI'mlike,"What?"She'slike,"Areyouanidiot?YoutookthedayofftodecidewhetherornotyoushouldbeachefandyouliterallyopenedthedoorforTylerFlorence,afamouschef."Andthenitcametome,"Oh,myGod,thatwasTylerFlorence.Thatmustbethesign.I'mlookingforthesign.Ifoundthesign."Lateron,Itweetedhimandremindedhimofthatinteractionafewyearslaterandherememberedmeandwassuperpumped.SothenextdayIwentinandresignedandwentinallinonbeingMaryThePaleoChef.Katie:That'sawesome.AndIlovethatyoucomefromthelowinflammationfoodallergyangletoobecausesadlyalotofkidsthesedayshavefoodallergies,andthat'sacommonquestionIgetfromreadersandit'snotwhenIhaveatonofexperiencewith.Mysonhadadairyallergythatwereversed,butmanyreadersandlistenershavekidswithallergies.Obviously,it'sstillsuperimportanttogetthemtoeattheirvegetables,togetenoughnutrientsdensefoods.Socanyousharesomepracticaltipsthatyouuseinthekitchentomakeitalltastegoodandtogetpeopletowanttoenjoyit?Mary:It'sreallyexperimentingwithalotofdifferentspices.Ithinkmostpeoplearepigeonholedinsaltandpepper.Andifyou...Themorespicesyouplaywith,themoreyou'llunderstandyourownpalatetobeabletomakemealsthatyou'reexcitedabout.SowhenIgocookforclients,Iknownothingabouttheirpalates,andusuallyitisprettyplain.Soifthey'rewilling,someofthemwillsitdownandwe'llgothroughandtasteallthesedifferentspicesandthey'lltellmewhattheylikeortheydon'tlikeandwe'lltrycombinations.Andthenafterwards,I'lltellthem,"Thisspiceactuallycouldmeanthis,it'swhatyourbodyiscraving,andthisspicecouldbe...thisiswhatyourbodyneeds."Andthenthatconnectionintheirmindoflikethisisnotjustflavor,butthisisactually,"I'mlookingatnutrients."They'vebecomemoreexcitedtocookforthemselveswhenI'mnotavailabletothem.Andwhenitcomestoclientsthatdohavefamilies,I'monlythereforalimitedperiodoftimewhenImightonlybemakingmealsformaybethatparticularperson,notalwaysthewholefamily.Sothenwe'llgothroughandI'llteachthemhowtomakethingsinbulkusingapressurecookerwheresomethingthatmighttakehoursandhoursnowtakes45minutesandsomethingthatcanbemadeinbulk,andpre-preppinglotsofproteinswiththeweek,thatwayallyouhavetoprepwhenit'sgotimeismaybesomegreensorsomevegetablesandthenbeingabletoreheatthemeat.Butitisalltrialanderrorexperimentation.Idostrugglewithpeoplewhosay,"Idon'thavetimetocook."AndthenI'mlike,"Okay.Well,then,whydon'tyouhireachef?""Idon'thavemoneyforachef."I'mlike,"Okay,thenwhydon'tyoupayforthismealservice?""Idon'twannadothat."I'mlike,"Soyoudon'twantanysolutionsatall.Idon'tknowthatit'sthatyoudon'twantanysolutionsormaybeyoujustwantanexcusetonotreallygiveitavaliantgo."Sothat'salwaysadifficultconversationtohaveandtrytofigureoutwhatwillworkforthembecausethesolutionswehaveavailabletousnow,werenotavailablewhenIfirstwentglutenfree,therewasnoSiete,therewasnomealservices.Itwasallbeingdonefromscratch.SoItrytogetpeopletoseethatitcanbemoreaccessible.Katie:Yeah,I'mwithyouonthat.Ican'tevenimaginehowmanytortillarecipesIthrewawayandfailedattryingtomakeone.Butitwaslikepalatable,muchlessgood,andnowthatyoucouldfindthesethingsinstoresisamazing.Mary:Yeah.ItmakesmefeellikethatsceneinCast...IsthatCastawaywithTomHanks?Andhe,attheendislookingatallthecrablegsalreadywhenhad...whenhe'salreadyrescued,allthecrablegsarethereinexcess,

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andhe'splayingwithalighterwhenhehadtomakefirebefore.That'showIfeelwhenIseewhat'savailabletousnow.Katie:That'sfunny.Yeah,it'sagreatanalogy.Whatabouteatingout?BecauseIknowthatyoudon'tshyawayfromthatandthatcanbeadifficultthingtonavigatewithfoodallergy.Sowhatquestionsdoyouaskorhowdoyouknowafoodissafeornot?Mary:Yeah,sofirstandforemost,ifyouhaveapreference,it'slessscary.Ifyouhaveanauto-immunedisorderlikemyself,theriskwillalwaysbeonyourshouldersifyoudecidetodineout.That'ssomethingyouhavetounderstand.Andwhenyougotorestaurants,I'mnotgonnachoosetogotoahole-in-the-wallItalianrestaurantwherethere'salanguagebarrierandexpectingtobeabletoserveme.That'sreallyunfair.SoIamalwaysaheadoftimepickingrestaurantsthatwillmorelikelybeabletoserveme.AndthenwhenIdogetthere,ifIdon'tcallthemaheadoftime,questionsarealwaysthesame,"CanIspeaktothecheforthissouschef?"Itellthem,"I'llbesittingatsoandsotable.Iapologize.Iamoneofthosepeoplewithallergies.Iwilleatanythingyoucanpreparethatdoesn'thavetheseingredients."AndthereasonwhyIdothatisratherthantryingtoreinventsomethingthat'sonthemenu,lettingthedecisionfallontheirshoulderssoIdon'tdisrupttheirbusinessandwhat'sgoingoninthebackkitchen,andIcanstillhaveamealthat'spreparedformebysomeoneelseandstillhaveasocialexperiencewithpeople.AndonceI'veestablishedthatandtheysendmewhateveritisIcanhave,I'llalsosendadrinkbacktothechefasaformofgratitude.Katie:That'sagoodtip.AndIliketheidea,evenforthosewithoutallergies,I'dencouragepeopletotrythatonceinawhileespeciallyifyougoonlikeadatenightinanicerestaurant.Likeletthechefsurpriseyoubecausealmostalwaysyouwillbeblownaway.It’safunexperience.Mary:Yougetabettermealthanwhat'sonthemenutoo.They'relike,"Yeah,sure."One,they'rehappythatyouweren'tthejerkatthetable.Andthenwhentheygettoplayoffmenu,whoknowswhattheywereinspiredbythatdaybecauseyouknowchefsareartistsandtheymightmakeyousomethingsuperincredible.Katie:Yeah,I'vehadthatexperienceacoupleoftimes.It'samazing.

ThispodcastisbroughttoyoubyAirDoctor.Didyouknowthattheairinsideourhomescanbeupto500timesasdirtyastheairoutside?ItcanbefilledwithharmfulVOC’s,allergens,bacteriaandmore.I’vebeenlookingforanairfilterthatfiltersoutallofthesesubstancesandisquietandthatdoesn’tbreakthebank,foralongtime.AndtheAirDoctorfiltermeetsallmycriteria.Itremovesalmost100%ofparticlesfromtheair,includingVOCs,thosearethingsreleasedfromcandles,paint,buildingmaterials,carpeting,cleaningproducts,hairspray,airfreshenersaremore.Filtersoutpollenandotherallergens,petdanderandanimalhair,moldsporesanddustmites,cigaretteandcigarsmoke,andviruses,germsandbacteria.Oneofmyfavoritethingsaboutitiswhattheycallautomodewherethefanspeedbasicallyadjuststotheappropriatelevelbasedonthecurrentairconditioninthehome.It’sbeenreallyfascinatingtoseeinourhouse,forinstance,thefiltersspeedupwhenwe’vecookedfoodathighheat,orusedcleanersthatsomeonegaveusthatwethoughtwerenaturalbuttheymadethefiltersspeedup.IknowairfilterscanbepriceywhichiswhyI’veteamedupwithAirDoctortogetamassivediscountforlisteners.Youcanget50%offrightnowbygoingtowellnessmama.com/go/air-doctortogetthediscount.

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ThispodcastisbroughttoyoubyBeekeepersNaturals.Humanshavebeenbenefittingfrombeesandtheirnourishingsuperfoodssinceprehistorictimes.FromCleopatrausinghoneytokeepheryouthfulglowtoHippocratesprescribingpropolistocureeverythingfromsorestobacterialinfection.Ourhealingrelationshipwithbeesgoeswayback.BeekeepersNaturalsisdedicatedtobringingtheage-oldbenefitsofbeeproductsintomoderntimes.Andtheyofferreallyhighqualitypropolis,royaljelly,beepollenandrawhoneyandmanyotherproducts.Andallofthesearesustainablysourcedfromacompanythatisdedicatedtoprotectingandimprovingthebeepopulation.Mypersonalfavoritesaretheirpropolisspray,whichhelpedmetoheadoffascratchythroat,andtheirB.LXRmixwhichisamixtureofallofthoseingredientsandit’sanaturalnootropicthatIuseonbusydays.Youcancheckthemoutatwellnessmama.com/go/beekeepers

Katie:Ifeellikethebiggestwininyourpersonalstory,though,insomeways,isthemindsetthatcamefromyourchallengesbecauseImentionedyourmottointhebeginning,andyoureallydoembodythat,the,"Eatclean,playoftenandcrushlife,"andyoureallylikeembracelifetothefullest.Socanyousharesomeofthewaysyou'velearnedtothinkandlivethiswayorwereyoubornthatwaymaybe,buteveninthefaceofallthechallengesyoufaceinyourlifeandyourlifelongdiagnosis?Mary:Ialwaysthinkaboutwhetherthatstuffisinnateorifit'slearned,andmaybeit'sacombinationofboth.IdefinitelygotwhatpeoplewannacallmyedgeingradeschoolbecauseIwassuperbulliedandthegirlsneverwantedtoplaywithme.SoI'mlike,"Okay.Well,Idon'tknowhowtoconvincethesepeopletolikeme,"andreally,IthinkI'mareallysweetperson.SoinsteadIwentandstartedtoplayingbasketballwiththeboysbecausethereitwasprettysimple.IfIputtheballinthenet,Iwillbeaccepted,andthatwasprettyeasyforme.Andthenbybeingabletodothatandfeelingreallyconfidentandempowered,Ithenwouldbeabletostanduptomybulliesalittlebetterversusgettingshovedintothetanbark,Icanstandupformyself.AndthatsortofplayedoutthroughoutmylifegoingtocorporateAmericabeingputdownorbulliedforwhateverdumbreasonthepersonwantstoprojectonyou,andyoucangetangry,youcouldmakenoisearounditandbelabeleddrama,oryoucanmakeyourselfsovaluablethatthatpersoncannotbullyyoubecausethey'regonnalooklikeanidiot.Sothat'sthepremisebehindthecrushlifepart.Youknowthis,thatIstruggledwithcomingupwiththecrushlifecomponentofthatmotto.AnditwasbecauseoftheyearsandyearsandyearsofbeingtoldthatIwasn'tfeminineenoughandalmostbeingscaredtomakethatpartofmymottobecauseI'mlike,"Whatdoesthatmean?I'mnotgoodenough?"AndIhadafriendsitmedownandbelike,"Mary,toomasculineforwhom,basically?Andwhocareswhattheseotherpeoplesaytoyouaboutthat?Thisiswhoyouare.You'remorethanfeminine.Therealityisyou'vebeenabletoplayinthespectrumoffeminineversusmasculine,andgreatforyou.Youknowhowtoembodyboth.Sodon'tyoudareplaysmallorplaysomebodyelsebynotlettingitbecrushlife."AndIwasstillconcernedaboutusingthat.Andthenoneofmyreaderstoldmeshehadasurpriseformeandhadtweetedmeaphotoandwhereshehadtattooed"Eatclean..."Or,shetattooed"Eat,Play,Crush"onherarm,andIwaslike,"Allright,well,it'seat,play,crush.Nogoingbackfromhere."It'salmostlikethatTylerFlorenceexperiencelikealmostthatGodknowsI'msostubbornthatIneedaveryclearsign.SoIthinkit'sacombinationof,maybesomeofitisinnate,maybesomeofitwaslearnedasasurvivalskill.Definitely,myparents,theyraisedmeto...Theydidn'ttellmethatIwasspecialandIcoulddonowrong.They

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toldmethat,"Youcanbespecialandyoucanworkhardtogetwhatyouwant."AndIwasdefinitelyunconditionallylovedbythem.Myparentsareveryoldschool,verytraditional.AndthethingthatIthinkI'mluckyisthattheyneveraskedmetobeanythingotherthanwhoIam,soIalwayshadtheopportunitytoexperiment.Andthenasfaraslivinglifetothefullest,mortality,formeisabigdeal.Alotofpeopleinmylifepassedawaybeforeage25.Eventhislastsummer,Ilostsomebodyveryneartome,andtheonlywayIcanfeeltohonortheirlegacyandhonortheirmemoryistomakesurethatIcanliveoutalifethatbringsmejoyandpaysthatjoyforward.OtherwiseI'veconvincedmyselfthatmaybetheypassedawayinvain.SoIthinkit'sacombinationofthings.Katie:Yeah.AndonethingIreallytookfromwhatyoujustsaidtoo,isthat,likeyouhadagreatchildhoodathome,andIknowstatisticallyhavingparentswhoyouknowloveyouthatdoesawholelotforlong-termoutcomes,butalsothefactthatyouwerebulliedinschool.I'msureitwasnoteverapleasantexperience,butwhenyoulookatthestatistics,kidswhohavetoovercomesomethingyounginlife,theytendtobemoresuccessfulandthat'ssomethingmyhusbandandIhavestruggledwithbecauseobviouslyyoucan'tpurposelymakelifeharderonyourkids,youwouldneverwantto.Butyoualsoknowtheydoneedresilience,theyhavetobeabletofacethings.Soforus,oneofthoseanswershasbeenthatwetravelbecausetravelbynaturehassomechallengesbuiltinandlanguagebarriersanddifficultsituations.Iknowyoutraveledprettyalottooinyourlife,right?Mary:Yeah,mostlygoingbacktoEgyptforfamily.Yeah.However,youcancreatealittletension.Obviously,youdon'twantyourkidbullied.Idon'tknow.Maybeyoudo.Ihavenoidea.Idohavesomefriendsandwe'vetalkedaboutthiswheretheyhavealmostthetraumaofprivilegewheretheyhaven'texperiencedanyhardshipsandtheyeitherfeelalittleguiltaroundthatandtheydon'tknowhowtonavigateespeciallywitheverythingthat'sgoingonrightnow.Orwhentheyarehitwithsomethingverychallengingmuchlaterinlife,theydon'thavethetoolsettodealwithit.AndoptimistisoneofthethingsthatIhaveinalotofmyproductsandIjokingly,butveryseriouslymeanwithoutmynegativityIwouldn'tbesuchanoptimist.Sowhensomethingreallyheavyhitsme,Ifeelit,itsucks,butIhavethetoolsandIcantalktomyself,talkbasicallytothecellsinmybodytobeabletoovercomeitandthrivethroughit.Andtherearesomepeoplewhohaven'thadhardshipsandwhenthey'rehitwithsomething,it'salmostliketheyhaveacompletemeltdownbecausetheyhaven'thadthatbefore.So,Imean,Ithinkit'sreallycoolthatyou'retravelingwiththekidstogivethemsomesortoffrictionforthemtonavigatehowevertheychoosetonavigate,especiallywithyourclan,dude.Iwouldlovetoseehoweachindividualonereactsdifferently.Katie:Yeah.It'scrazy,wedefinitelygetlooksespeciallylikeinothercountries.Andanotherthingthat,I'mguessingyourparentsprobablydidandminedidaswell,andonethingwedowithourkidsisthatwedon'teverdoanythingforthemtheycandothemselvesbecauseit's,again,aboutteachingtheindependenceandnotlendingthemeverythingandfeellikethe"specialsnowflake,"butalsobecausewelookatitastheyarecontributingmemberstothefamilyandthey'reresponsiblefordoingthings.I'mguessingyourparentsprobablywerelikethataswell.Likeyouprobablylearnedtocookearlyandprobablylearnedtodothingsaroundthehouseearlybecauseyouwerepartofthefamily.Mary:Yeah,Iwastheoldestsothatthatplaysaroletoo.MysisterandIare10yearsapart,mybrotherandIthreeyearsapart.Mygrandmotherwasaround,taughtmymombeingthatIwasthefirstborn.Butassoonasyoucanwalkaround,yourfirstjobislikepullingcilantro,andthenyougraduateuptomakingpasta.Youalwayshadchoresaroundthehouse.Andmymomwasagreat...Idon'tknow.Mymomisabeast.Sheisa

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biochemist,shehadherfull-timecareer,shehadasidejob,andIalsosawhereverydayforbreakfastandeverynightfordinner,andshehadthreekids.Andmydadwasanengineer,andwhenIfirstcametoAmericahewasanengineerduringtheday,wouldstockproduceinthemorninganddodishesatnight.Andagain,Istillsawhimeverydayandeverynight,andIdon'tknowhowmyparentsdidthat.SoIconstantlyremindmyself,thereisnothingIcoulddothatwouldbeasdifficultaswhatmyparentsdid.Comingtoanewcountry,havingafamily,havingtheirdegrees,theirveryhighaccoladedegreesandtheircareers,andthendoingallthisextrastuffwhilestillbeingpresent.Soitwasthisincredibleexampleof,youcandoandachieveanythingandyoucanlookatittwoways.LikeIcanlookatallthethingsIhavegoingagainstmethatmakelifemoredifficultforme,orIcanrespectthatandusethosethingstomyadvantageandworkreallyhardtoovercomethosethings.Katie:Yeah,exactly.Werethereanyotherthingsinyourchildhoodandspecificallythatyoufeellikeyourparentsdidthatreallylikeleftalastingimpressionwithyou?Iknowallofusasmomswhoarelisteningaretryingtofigureout,"Howcanweraisekindandcontributingmemberstosocietywhocanhopefullyfixsomeoftheseproblemswe'vecreatedintheworld?"SoI'mcuriousifanythingelsecomestomind?Mary:Igrewupinaprettyreligioushousehold,butalsoareallyopen-mindedhousehold.Soitwasareallywonderfulbalance.Mymomencouragedcuriosity.Iknowusuallyinchurches,questioningisnotgenerallyallowed,butthatwasabsolutelyallowed.Soshewantedtobeascuriousaspossibleandaskasmanyquestionsaspossible.Socuriosity.Mydadalwayswouldhammeringenerosity.Hesaid,"I'mraisingyoutobeaverykind,compassionateandgenerousperson.Idon'teverwantthattochange.Idowantyoutobemindfulofwhoyou'regenerousto,toalsostilllearnhowtoprotectyourself."Theyalwaysraisedmewiththesenseoflikepayitforwardandalwaysheardhowbloodisthickerthanwater,soalwaysmakesurethatyou'retakingcareofyourfamily,andonceyourfamilyunitissafeandtakencareof,thenyou'dhaveastrongfoundationtobeabletostarttakingcareofpeopleoutsidethefamily.Wewereraisedthatnomatterwhatpaycheckyouhavecomingin,youwerealwayssupposedtogiveapercentageofthatbackinsomeway.Andit'smorethanjusthandingsomebodymoney.It'sconstantvolunteerworkasafamily.Idon'tknow.Myparentsareoverachieversasyoucantell,andtheydefinitelyputthatintoustoo.Ithinkcomingfromathird-worldcountryandcomingfromchallengesImaynothavereallycometounderstand,theydefinitelydidagoodjobofpayingthatforward.Andmindyou,myparentsarenotperfect.Idon'tbelieveinperfectparents.TherearethingsthatI'veseenmyAmericanfriends,theirparentsbeingabletodothatImaynotbeabletodowithmyparents,butIalsogettoseethethingsthatmyparentsprovidedmethattheydon'tgetto.Soit's...Idon'tknow.IthinkIhavehadareallygoodbalanceofthegood,thebad,theuglyandthebest.Katie:That'sawesome.Anditseemslikeatleasttheycheckedalotofthoseboxesineveryarticleofthethingsyoucandotoraisekidswhoaregonnalikecontributetotheworld.Theycheckedalotoftheboxeswhethertheyintendedtoornot.Sothat'sawesome.And...Mary:Andtheycertainlyweren'treadingblogposts.Katie:Right,exactly.Mary:Naturally.

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Katie:SoIwannaswitchgearsalittlebitbecausenotonlydidyoubecomeprivatecheftothestarsandyouhaveasuccessfulblog,youalsonowhaveasuccessfulproductwhichthoseareallhardthingstodoontheirownandyou'vedoneallofthem.Solet'stalkaboutPhatFudgebecauseI'mafanandwehaveitinourhouse.Butexplainwhatitisandwhyyoucreatedit.Mary:SoPhatFudgeisareplacementtotheGUenergygelpacksandareplacementtoproteinbars.Barsdon'tsitwellinmystomach.Theyneverhave.GUsIloveuntilIbecamepaleobecauseit'sjustabunchofcrapforthemostpart.Andit'smorelikealongdrawnoutcheckpointofastory.SoIwantedtocreateareplacementtoGUandproteinbarsandthenIgotaskedtodosomeconsultingwiththeOraclesailingteamandtheyneededsomethingforonthewater,andIwastryingtofindtheperfectreplacement.Icouldn't.ThebestIcouldcomeupwithatthetimewasgrindingdownchiaseedsintoapowderandthenputtingthedifferentnutrientsandfoodsinthere.SoIhadthatsittinginmymind.AndthenIhadUnicornFuelwhichwasmyreplacementtobuttercoffeebecausetherewereafewclientsofminethatjustcouldn'tgetintoitbecausetheyreallymissedtheirfancylattes.SoIputtogetherspicesthatIwantedtohaveintheirdietsinthemorning,whichislikemaca,turmeric,cayenne,alittlecinnamon.Iwantedthemtohavethegrass-fedbutter,somesortoffat.AndIhadjokinglycalledthatdrinkUnicornFuel,andthatwentviralandwasvotedoneofthebestcoffeehacksinPaleoMagazine.SoyouhaveUnicornFuelgoingoverhere,andthenyouhadthis,IneedtofigureoutareplacementtoGUhappeningtwoseparateways.AndthenIhadaclientwhowasaprofessionalgolferandanotherclientthatwasaprofessionalbaseballplayerandIwasmakingthemthesefatbombs,andthebasewastahiniwhichislifetome.Iputtahinionalmosteverything.Thebasewastahiniandbutterandalittlebitofvanilla.Sothosethreethingswereallhappeningindependently.AndoneeveningIwastryingtomakemyselfsomethingcalledHalawaorHelavadependingonwhatpartoftheMediterraneanorEastern,whichisjusthoneythatyoucookatareallyhighheatandthenyoumixintahiniandyouputitintherefrigeratorandyouletitcrystalizeoverthenextfewdays,andit'sanamazingdessert.SoIwasmakingthat.It'sveryfickle.Ifyougetthetemperaturewrongwiththehoney,youwillknockatthecrystallization,andessentially,Iwasmultitasking,messeduptheheatandI'mlike,"I'lljustmakesomefudge."SoIdumpedinallthespicesfromUnicornFuelintothat,andthenextmorningIwaseatingthisfudgeandlikeallthelightbulbswentoffandIwaslike,"Holycrap,thisisthereplacement."SoIspentsometimetweakingtheingredients,likereducingthehoneybyaton,increasingtheturmericandgettingittowhereithadarealfunctionalpurpose,andthatwasPhatFudge.Atthetime,IcalleditFunctionalFudge.Ipostedthatrecipe,andthenthatrecipewentviralandtheworldaskedmetoturnitintoaproductbecausepeopleweretakingpicturesoftherecipesinsandwichbaggiesonruns,andthenfromtherewasthisanothermomentwhereIwaslike,"Allright,letmefigureitoutasIgo."Katie:That'sawesome.AnddefinitelyI'llhavealinkintheshownotesifanyonewantstobuyitbecausemykidsloveit,myhusbandtravelswithit,Itravelwithitbecauseittruly,liketome,it'slikeamealon-the-gototallybecauseit'sgotlikecaloriesandproteinsandfatsandcoversallyourbases,whichisawesome.Whichalsothismakesyouasuccessfulfemaleentrepreneur,andIknowonyourInstagramwhichwe'llalsolinkintheshownotessopeoplecanfindyou,youpostalotofquotesaboutbeinganentrepreneurandaboutpushingthroughandfacingchallengesandovercomingthem.Alotofwomenlisteningaretryingtodothingslikestartahomebasedbusinessormaybetrytobeaprivatechefordeveloptheirownproduct.SoI'mcuriousifthere'sanylessonsthatyou'vedistilledfromtacklingallofthoseyourselfthatyouthinkespeciallylikeare

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encouragingtowomenandwhoaretryingtodothat.Mary:Sure.SoIthinkPrivateChefstuff,likeinthebeginning,understandingthepricepointandunderstandthekindofclientsthatIwannahave.Sothere'sthisideathatyoujustsayyestoeveryopportunity.Noteveryopportunityisforyouevenifit'sshiny.AndIsaidyestoopportunitiesnotbasedoutofdesperationorscarcitybutoutoflike,"WhoisitthatIwannabecomeintheprivatechefworld?"SoIdecidedthesearethethings,thekindofclientsthatIwannaworkwithregardless,andthisisthepricepointIwannachargeregardless.AnditmightleavealittleroomforbeinguncomfortableandmaybeworryinghowI'mgonnaeatthenextday.Butbyholdingout,IwasabletoleavetheseatopenfortheexactkindofclientandthepricepointthatIwanted.Soitwaskindofbeingbullheadedaboutthatwhenitcomestotheoddsbeingstackedagainstyou.LikeIwastoldbymultiplemanufacturersthattheywouldn'tpackageabutterproductinasqueezepack,andI'mlike,"Thatliterallydoesnotmakesensetome."Soit'sjustaboutmakingmorephonecalls,becauseifIwasabletohand-packit,Iwouldbeabletofindamanufacturertodoit.Iguessthere'sthatreallycoolcartoonthatcirculatestheinternet,andit'ssidebyside,thesetwomenthatarediggingunderground,andtheoneguyissuperpumpedandhewasdigging,andhe'sreally,reallyfarawayfromtheprize,whichisallthesediamondshiddenunderthedirt.Andthenthere'sthisotherguythat'sexhaustedandhe'sturningaroundandwalkingawayandhe'sjustcentimetersfromthediamondandhegaveupjustwaytoosoon.AndIthinkpeoplethinkthatstartingahomebusiness,beingaprivatechef,whatever,isgonnabeeasy,andit'sunfortunately,becausewhatweseeinsocialmediaandonTVislikejustthey'llvarytheendingtowardthesuccessbegins,andittakesalongtimetogettojustthebeginning.SoIthinkfirstbehonestwithyourself.Areyouwillingtodealwiththework,withtherejection?Areyouwillingtounderstandthatthereisnosuchthingasfailureifyou'regonnabeanentrepreneur,youhavetomasterthepivot?Andifyoufeelthatyoucandothat,thenthenextstepisjustsimplynotgivingup,beingcreative,likereallybeingbullheadedaboutitifit'swhatyoureallywant.Youhavetobekindacrazyandbelieveinyourselforyourproductbeyondreasonabledoubt.Katie:Yeah,Ithinkthat'sakeyandsomethingInoticedinourjourneyaswell,isjustyouhavetobesopassionateaboutthetopicandknowthatit'shelpingpeopletoo,andmaybeI'malittlebitidealisticthere,butIdon'tapologizeforitthatIthinkyouhavetobewilling...Likewhateveryou'redoing,whateveryou'retryingtoaccomplish,youalsohavetobehelpingpeopleinsomewaybecausepeoplearen'tgonnabuyyourproductifit'snotgonnaimprovetheirlives,andsoyouobviouslyhavedonethatinseveraldifferentways.AndIthinkyou'rerightthattheendofthedaythattheanswerisnotverysexy.It'shardworkandcaringawholelotandusuallycaringmorethanotherpeopledo...Mary:Yeah.Katie:Whichdoesn'tsoundverygoodwhensomeone'sjustcomingout.But...Mary:Well,becausethat'scontagious.Imean,whoknows?Ican'tsay.ButwouldpeoplecareaboutPaleoCheforPhatFudgeifIdidn'tshareallthosedetailsthewholetime?IthinkshowinghowmuchIcaredandbeingrelentlessaboutitisabigpartofthefoundationthatcreatedthe...Iwouldn'tcallitsuccess.It'sonitswaytosuccess,likeI'mstillintheprocessofitandyoudohavetocare.Igetaskedallthetimeaboutbalance.I'mlike,"Whatisthisquestion?"Ifyouwannapursuesomethinggreatorlegendary,thereisnosuchthingasbalance.Yourentirelifebecomesaboutthesethings,andyoudon'teventhinkaboutneedingbalance

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becauseyou'resoinlovewithitthatyoudon'twannabreakfromit.IfyouaskalegendarybaseballplayerandalegendaryCEO,they'renotgonnabelike,"Oh,Ididitbymoderationandbalance."That'snotthestorythere.So,Imean,it'sjustreallybeinghonestwithyourselfabouttheworkethicandthedesiretosucceed.Katie:That'sagoodpoint.AndtheolderIget,themoreItendtonoticetoo,balanceisdefinitelynotlikeaneverydaytypeofactivity.Itseemstobelikebalancehappensovermonthsoryears,andthatcomesasindiet,like,youdon'tnecessarilyeateverysinglethingyou'resupposedtoeateveryday,butoveraweekyoumight.Andsameiscertainlywithbusinessorlikesports,youmentioned.Baseballplayersplaylikeacrazyschedule,162games,buttheytakethesummeroff.Sobalanceforthemisthat.Mary:Yeah.Katie:Sothat'sanexcellentpoint.Sotoanyonewhohadreallyresonatedwithyourstory,firstofall,beforewegoanyfurther,Iwannamakesuretheycanfindyou.Sosaywhereyouareonlineincasepeoplearelistening,andofcoursethat'llallbeintheshownotes,butIknowIfollowyouforinspiration.Sowherecanpeoplefindyou?Mary:Paleochef.comisthewebsite,@paleochefonTwitterandInstagram.Katie:Awesome.Anddoyouhaveanypartingwordsorencouragementtoanyonelistening,especiallyI'dsaytoanyparentswhoarestrugglingtonavigatethatnutritionalchangewithakidmaybewhohasfoodallergies,who'sgoingthroughkindofthatphasethatyouwentthroughandtryingtofindtheirownanswers?Doyouhaveanyencouragementtothem?Mary:Ithinkifyou'retryingtodoitforyourfamilyorkids,makeitateameffort,gettheminvolved,makethemfeelexcitedandempoweredaboutit,becauseIthink...Again,I'mnotaparent.IdohavefriendswhoI'mauntieandI'malwaysthere,andIdefinitely…Igetinspiredoncethey'reinspired.SowhenI'mworkingwithkidsandIteachthemaboutingredientsorhowtocook,andthentheygetreallyexcitedit'sjustthisbackandforth.Sosometimesifyougetthefamilyinvolvedandyourkidssuperpumped,thatmightreigniteyourfireandyourmotivationtokeepitgoing,andthenwhenthey'reofacertainage,theycandotheworkforyou.Katie:Yeah,that'sagreattip.Ourkidsarebynaturesuperhelpfulnow,soI'llechothatforsure.That'sahugetip.Awesome.Well,Mary,likeIsaid,Iknowyou'reasuperbusyentrepreneurandIwannarespectyourtime,butIreallyappreciateyoubeinghereandIhopeeverybodytriesPhatFudgebecausewe'readdictedatourhouse.Butthankyouforyourtimeandthanksforbeinghere.Mary:Thanksforhavingme.Katie:Andthankstoallofyouforlistening,andIwillseeyounexttimeonTheHealthyMomsPodcast.

Ifyou'reenjoyingtheseinterviews,wouldyoupleasetaketwominutestoleavearatingorreviewoniTunesforme?Doingthishelpsmorepeopletofindthepodcast,whichmeansevenmoremomsandfamiliescouldbenefitfromtheinformation.Ireallyappreciateyourtime,andthanksasalwaysforlistening.