149- Saunacast- Genetics, Personalized Medicine and Random ... · even with certain things, if you have a polymorphism, you may have a mutation in one direction, but you also may

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Episode149:Saunacast:Genetics,PersonalizedMedicineandRandomHealthExperiments


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Child:WelcometomyMommy’spodcast.

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ThispodcastisbroughttoyoubyHomebiotic.Weallknowaboutourmicrobiomeandmostofusknowaboutouroralmicrobiomeandevenourskinmicrobiome.Butit’seasytoforgetthatweliveinamicrobialenvironmentaswell.Andthatourhomeenvironmentinfluencesourhealthtoo.Theoveruseofdisinfectantsandharshcleansershasledtoanovergrowthoflessthanoptimalbacteriainmanyhomes.Thingslikemold,pets,andthenormalbacteriathatcomeswithahouseholdofkidsrunninginandoutsidealldaycancauseodorsandbacterialimbalanceinourhomes.Thoseofuswithlittlekidshavechildrensittingonthefloorofourhomesandinteractingwiththatbacteriaonadailybasis.So,mysolutiontothishasbeenHomebiotic.Thisisanaturalprobioticsprayforthehomethatneutralizesodors,germsandevenmold.Youcancheckitoutatwellnessmama.com/go/home-biotic

Katie:HiandwelcometoRandomCast.I'mKatiefromwellnessmama.com.Heather:AndI'mHeatherfrommommypotamus.com.Katie:Andthisisgoingtobeoneofourfun,randomepisodes,wherewearegoingtotouchonalotoftopics,sostaywithus.Wewouldlovetohearyourfeedbackonanyoftheseinthecommentsortheshownotes,whichareatwellnessmama.fm.Andwe'reprobablyalso,asweusuallydo,goingtomentionallkindsofrandomstuff.Andthelinksforthosewillbeintheshownotesaswell.Buttostart,Iknowwehaveahugelist,Heather,thatwewanttocovertoday.Doyouwanttojumponthebigtopicfirst?Whichisthatwebothareseeingapatternthatthefutureofhealthandalltheresearchseemstobepointingtowardeverythingbeingverypersonalizedandvariedandwhatthatlookslikeasmoms.BecauseitisonethingtolookatPubMedandtoseetheresearchongenesandtheresearchonguthealth,butwearetheoneswhohavetoactually,practicallyapplythattoourchildren.Solet'sjumpinthere.Heather:Yeah.Gosh,Istartedpursuingahealthylifestyleanditwaslike,"No!There'sthisonedietanditworksforeveryone!"Andthen,acoupleofyearslater,theywerelike,"Wekindofgotthatwrong.Takethisonethingoutofthediet,addthisotherthingin,andthenyou'regood."Andyouknow,throughtheyearstherehavebeenalotofdifferentphasesofthat.Butultimatelywhereweendedupwastestingforgeneticpolymorphismsandseeingwhatisuniquetousandhowthatinteractswithourenvironment.ButIrememberthefirsttimeIgotagenetictestbackandlookedattheresults.Ifeltcompletelyoverwhelmed.I'mlike,"Lookatallthis!"Thereportthatwehad,weranitthroughlikeLiveWello,whichisareportthatyoucanlookatandithasgreen,yellow,andred.AndI'mlike,"Lookatallthered.It'ssooverwhelming."Butthere'ssomuchthathashappenedsincethen,thatittakesthatdata,whichwasn'treallyactionableafewyearsagoandmakesitactionabletoday,andhelpsusunderstanditandapplyittoourlivesalotbetter.


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Althoughthereisstillalotthatwe'relearning.Weusedtothinkthat,youknow,ifyouhadMTFHRthatyouhadtodoXYZandit'snotlookinglikethatnow.Itlookslikethere'sdifferentapproachestoeverything.Katie:Yes,Ithinkyou'reright,thatthepersonalizationandthetesting,nowwehavealotmoreinformation,butit'salsoalotmoretointerpret.Soit'scoolthattherearenowteststhatareabletogiveusmoreoftheapplicablething.BecauseIthinkyou'reright,withgenesit'slikeyoujustthink,"Everythingisbad.Everythingisred.WhatdoIevendo?"Butnowthere'soneslike...webothloveDr.RhondaPatrickfromFoundMyFitness.Wewilllinktoherpodcastintheshownotes,becausesheisamazing.Wejokethatwehaveabraincrushonher.Soifanybodyknowsherpersonally,Iwouldlovetointerviewher.Sopleaseletherknow.Butshehasagreatgeneticreportonherwebsiteatfoundmyfitness.com,thatreallydelvesintonotjusttherawdata,butwhatdoesitactuallylooklike.Like,"Howwouldyouinterpretthatinyourdailylife?"Andso,oneexamplethatyouandIhavetalkedaboutrecently,Iliterallywrotethebookoncoconutoil.Notthebook,butthepost!Foryears--andwestilldo--weranknumberonefortheterm,"coconutoil."Ididallthisresearchwhensaturatedfatsusedtobebadanditwaslike,"TheyareobviouslynotbadandthatistheteachingofWestonA.Price."AndIabsolutelyagreewithit.Ithinkthat,objectively,saturatedfatsarenotbad.Iwouldarguethat,ifyouareeatingthemwithsugar,theywouldbecomewhatDr.Hymancalls,"sugarfat,"whichissuperbad,or,"sweetfat."Butobjectivelytheyareactuallygoodforyourbody.Itturnsout,unlessyouareme.SowithDr.RhondaPatrick'stest,youcanrunyour23andMeresultsthroughthatanditgivesyouamoreinterpretiveviewofcertainsnippets.IhadoneandIbelieveyoudotoo,becauseweobviouslyshareanddoeverythingtogether,thatsaidlike,"Really,Ishouldnevereatsaturatedfat,becausenotonlywillitmakeithardtoloseweight,butitcanalsomesswithmybrainanddoallkindsofotherstuff."Doyouhavethataswell?TheFTO?Heather:Yeah,minesaidtojustincreasetheratioofunsaturatedandmonounsaturatedfats,sooliveoilandthosekindsofthingsoverthingslikebutter.Sowearestilldoingbutter,butwedefinitelyhaveincreasedourconsumptionofoliveoilandthosekindsoffatstosortofbalancethingsout.Yeah.AndanotheronethatwhenIranthereportIthoughtwasreallyinterestingandkindofwentwithsomethingthatIthinkisreallyaninterestingpartofwheremedicineisheading.Thatisthatsometimesoldisnewagain.Atonepoint,wewerelookingatthesegenetictestsandsortoflookingatthetestsinsteadofthepeople,andthetestsinsteadoftheindividuals.AndIthinkthere'salotofwaysthebodycanaccomplishanyonegoal.Soevenwithcertainthings,ifyouhaveapolymorphism,youmayhaveamutationinonedirection,butyoualsomayhaveamutationthatiscompensatingitinadifferentdirection.Soweusedtoassumethat,justbecausethereisonemutation,thatthatparticularcycleorfunctioninthebodywasn'tworking,butthatmayormaynotactuallybetrue.Andso,wearestilllearningalot,butonethatreallyresonatedwithme--evenmorethanformethesaturatedfat,becauseIonlyranitrecentlyandIhaveincreasedmyoliveoilintake,butIhaven'treallynoticedahugedifferenceinhowIamfeelingoranything--butonethatdidresonateformewasitshowedthatgeneticallyIampredisposedtolowvitaminDlevels.It'sjustthatmybodyisnotmakingconversionsreallywellincertainareasofthatprocess.


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MyhusbandjokesthatwhenIgetcrabbyheneedstoputmeinthesun,becauseit'sreallytrue.IrememberwhenIwaspregnantwithmydaughter,itrainedthefirstfourmonthsofthepregnancyandIcriedeverydaythatitrained,becauseIjustwantedtogooutinthesun.IfeellikeintuitivelyIknewmybodywascravingsunlight.Ithinkitjustknewthatthat'swhatwasneededatthattimeandthefactthatitkeptrainingjustwasfrustratingmeto...Itwasjustunbelievablyfrustrating.SowhenIlookedatthatIwaslike,"Yes!Thatresonateswithme.Thatmakessenseandmybodyisintuitivelycompensatingforthisthingthatjustdoesn'tworkthatwell."Katie:Yeah.Ithinkthat'sagreatpoint,especiallywiththecontrastingpolymorphisms,becauseIthinkeventheexpertslikeDr.BenLynchandDr.RhondaPatrick,allthesepeoplearesayingnow,"Don'tlookatanyonepolymorphisminavacuum,becauseit'sdangerouswhenyoujustgo,'Oh,okay.IhaveMTHFR.Ishouldtakeallthemethylfolate.”Well,maybenot,becausemaybeyouhaveonethatcompensates.AndIthink,toyourpoint,listeningtothebodyisanimportantpointaswell,becausewhenwelearnedaboutlizardsinschool,mykidswerelike,"Yeah.It'slikeyou,Mom.Youwanttolayonawarm,sunnyrock."AndI'mlike,"Yeah."Differentreason.Iamnotcold-blooded,butit'sbecauseofthevitaminD.Heather:That'ssoweird!Becauseyouknowhowwejokeweshareabrain?IremembermydadtookmeonvacationtoMexicowhenIwasalittlekidandIsawtheseiguanasonarockandImadeitlikealifegoaltobeaniguana!Oratleasttoliveasmuchlikeaniguanaaspossible,becauseIlovewarmsun.Anyway.Ididn'tknowthataboutyou!Katie:Well,wewilltalkaboutacoupleoftests,butthenIwanttogobacktothevariationkeyaswell.So,wejustdidwithourkidsgenetictesting.Ihadneverdonealloftheirswith23andMe,justbecausethereweresomeprivacyconcernswithwhetherornottheyshareanydata.Andso,wekindofliedaboutournames.Idon'tknowifIshouldsaythatonrecord,butwejustdid,whatever.Weliedaboutournames,sothatthey'renotactuallytiedtous!ButIdidn'twanttohavetotrytofigureoutfakenamesforallmykids.Sowejustfoundoutaboutonefromafriendofoursandit'scalled,"NutritionGenome,"whichwillbelinkedintheshownotesaswell.Asupereasyprocess,youdon'tevenhavetospitintoacup.Youjustswabtheinsideofyourmouth.SoIcoulddoitonthebabyeven.Heather:Wow.Katie:Andit'sreallycool,becausetheydelvemoreintothenutritionalside,insteadofjusttherawgeneticdata.AndIknowthat23andMe,whichisalsoagoodoption,hasgottensomuchbetter.NowthattheyhaveFDAapproval,theycangiveyoualotmoreinformation.ButIthinkwhenwebothdidit,itwasverymuchlike,"Here'syourrandomsnippetsthatdon'tmeananythingtoyou."Andyouhavetogofigureouthowtointerpretit.IfeellikeNutritionGenomekindofbreaksthatdown.Andthen,wealsohavedoneViome,whichwasreallyinterestingtosee,becauseIcomparedgenetictestingtoViome,side-by-side.AndwhenIfirstgotViomeback,itwasbeforeIlearnedabouttheFTOandthesaturatedfatthingforme.AndI'mlike,"Whyonearth?"I'mlike,"Thiscan'tberight.It'stellingmynottoeatanybeef,orbutter,orcoconutoil,butallthesethingsare


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healthy.Whyisittellingmenottoeatthem?"Andthenthegeneskindofcorroboratedthat.SoitmakessenseandIgetit.Butit'sinterestingtoseetoo,becauseIfeellike,forinstance,ifyouarefasting,youcandoyourbloodketonesandyoucanalsodoyourbreathacetones,whichgivesyouthecomparisonbetween,"Howmanyketonesareyoumakingandhowmanyketonesareyouburning?IfeellikethesynergythereisgeneticteststellyouwhatyourgenesareandtheRNAandthegutfromViomekindoftellyouwhatisactuallyexpressing.Soit'sreallycooltopairthoseup.Heather:Thatisreallycool.Oneofthethings--becausewearegoingtobetryingViomesoon--oneofthethingsI'msocurioustofindouttooishowthingsshiftovertime.Asyourmicrobiomechanges,isitactivatingcertaingeneticexpressions?SoIdon'tthinkwehaveanyideayetwhatwecanknowinfiveyears,aswestarttotrackthingsoveraperiodoftime.It'sreallycool.Katie:Yeah.Andthenonewewillprobablyhavetotalkaboutmoreindepthinthefuture--there'snotreallytimetoday--butliketheenergeticside,thebio-energeticsideofitaswell.IrecentlygottrainedinthemiHealthdevicefromNESHealth.Andthat'sreallyfascinating,becauseit'strulyjustascanofyourbodythatIwascompletelyskepticalofuntilitcameupandshowedmeeverysinglethingthatwasinmybloodtestandgenetictest.Iwaslike,"That'skindofamazingandcreepyatthesametime."SoIwilllinktothataswellforanybodyinterestedinreadingit.Butwewerebothalsosayingthatit'ssocoolthatnowwehaveallthesetoolsatourdisposal.There'salsoLifeExtension,whichtherewillbealinktothatintheshownotes,whereyoucanprettymuchpickwhatevertestyouwanttogetwithoutadoctor,andtenyearsagothatwasunheardof.SothefactthatanyofusrightnowcangoontheInternetandorderallthesetestsandkindoffigureoutourown...Ittookmeeightdoctorstogetadiagnosisformythyroid.Andnowit'slike,Icouldhavejustgoneonandorderedthishugebloodpanelforunder$200andfigureditout."Andthentakenthattoadoctorandbelike,"Ineedthyroidmedication.Thanks."We'rejustinadifferentplacenow.Sothat'sreallycooltoseeformoms.Heather:IdothinktoothatI'veencounteredsomanyfamiliesthataredealingwithveryrareconditions.Andnotevenrare,sometimesthere'sjustalotgoingoninalotoffamiliesandmomsaresotenacious.Theyaretheoneswhotucktheirlittleonesinatnightandtheycarethemostaboutgettingtothebottomofissues,andnotjustmaintainingthem,andnotjustmedicatingthem.Soputtingthesetoolsinmoms'handsIthinkisjustamazing,becausethere'snobodythat'smoredetermined,eithertofindanswersforthemselves,sothattheycanbeavailabletotheirfamilies,sotheycanlovetheirfamiliesinthewaytheywantto,andbeactiveandhealthy.Oriftheyaredealingwithsomeoneinthefamilywhoneedshelp.AnotheroneIguesswehaven'ttalkedaboutrecently,butthatIcameacross,iskindofnewandIdon'tevenknowthenameofthecompany.Buttheyarestartingtobankstemcellsfromteeth.Sothatisareallyinterestingthingthatdoesn'thavealotofapplicationsrightnow.Butyouknow,theyaretakingjustbabyteethastheyfalloutandpreservingthem.Iguessit'slikemaybeyougetayear,so-many-yearplan,wheretheyarekeepingthosesothatlaterontheymayhaveapplicationsforsupportinghealingandallkindsofstuff.


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Katie:Yeah.Ilovethatyoubroughtthatup,becausethatissomethingthatwe'relookingat.Likeyousaid,someofthetechnologyisthere,butit'sreallynewandstillexperimental.Buttheyareprettyconfidentthatwithinlikefivetotenyearswecanpotentiallybere-growingorgans,andtissues,andevenlimbsfromstemcells,whichismind-blowing.AndIknowyouandIhavelookedat--andwewilltalkmoreaboutthisinthefuturetoo--butthingslikejustplatelet-richplasmaorusingadultstemcellsfromyourownbloodorfattissue,andhowthoseapplicationscanbedone.Iknowpeoplecandothatforjointissuesandtheyareevenusingitfortraumaticbraininjuries.Wetalkedtoadoctorwhodoesthat.SoIthink,whileweareseeingsomuchrightnow,Ithinkthenexttenyearsaregoingtobemind-blowinginwhattheresearchshows.Ithinkit'sgoingtobeawesome.

Andbeforewemoveon,theflipsidethatIwanttomentionisvariation.BecauseinthelastcoupleofyearsthatiswhatIreallyhavegottengentleronmystanceonalotofthings.Forinstance,tostartIthinkweshouldbelookingatthecommongroundwhenitcomestohealthtoo,becauseIfeellikeit'sbecomeverypolarized.There'sallthesecampsoftheketo,andthePaleo,andthevegan.Andreally,ifyoulookatit,allofuswhoareinterestedinhealth,wehavealotmoreincommonthanwedodifferent.AndIthinkifwefocusthere,wecanstartmakingalotofcommongroundintoreallysupportingpeopleinahealthierlifestyle,butIamcomingtorealizemoreandmorethevalueofvariation.WhatImeanbythatisIthinkavegandietcanbesuperhealthyforashortamountoftime.Ithinkthereisatimeandaplaceforthat.Atleastformepersonally,Idon'tthriveonavegandiet,butspendingaweekonthatsometimesIthinkisgreat,becauseitshiftsthings.Itmakesyourbodyhavetoadapt.Andthatiswhattheresearchseemstobeshowing.CertainlywhatIhavefoundinmyownlifeisyoudon'twanttoletyourbodyadapttoanything,soyouwanttoconstantlybemixingitup.Likeprobablynoneofusshouldbeeatingtheexactsamefoodseverysingleday,over,andover,andover,nomatterhowhealthythosefoodsare.AndthatiskindofwhyIexperimentedwithfastinganddifferent,likeeatinginshorterwindows,orcompleteblock-fasting,orskippingfoodonedayaweek,oreatinglessproteinonedayaweektokindofmimicfasting.Therearesomanywaystodothat.ButI'vejustreally,Iguess,inthelastfewyearssoftenedtotheideathatthereiskindofatimeandaplaceforalotofthesedifferentmodalities.AndIthinkthere'satimeandaplaceforketosis,forinstance,butprobablynoteverysingleday,unlessyouhaveaspecificmedicalreasontodothat.Samewithaplant-baseddiet,which--randomtangentforaminute--Iwouldsayallofusshouldactuallybeeatinga"plant-baseddiet."Weshouldaddinotherproductstothat,butreally,wewouldallbehealthierif75%to90%ofourdietcamefromplants,nomatterwhattherestofitlookslike.Imean,heck,eveniftherestofitwasMcDonald's,youwouldstillbehealthierif75%to90%ofitwasplants.SoIlovethatpersonalizationandvariationarebecomingsoprominentandIamreallyexcitedandveryhopefultoseewhatthenextfewyearsofresearchhold.Heather:Yeah.Andso,whenyouaresaying,"variation,"youaretalkingtooaboutevenwithinyourownlife,notvariationwithincommunitiesorjustlikepeopledongdifferentthings,butalsoinyourownlife.Likeideally,ifwewereeatingseasonally,wewouldn'tbeeatingthesamethingallyear.Wewouldbepickingupdifferentmicronutrientrangesthroughouttheyear,becausethesoilisdoingdifferentthingsatdifferent


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timesoftheyear.Mostofusdon'treallyhavetheabilitytofullyeatseasonally.It'sjustreallyhardtoaccomplish,butlifeisthatwaytooandlifehasitsowncycles.Iamstartingtorecognizethat.Iknowthatit'seasytosortofbelike,"Well,Ipickedsomethingup,andIdiditforawhile,andIenjoyedit,butthenIstoppedenjoyingit,andnowI'mafailure."Butreally,itisacknowledgingthatsomethingsjusthaveseasonsandvariationisokay.IhavecycledthroughalltypesofexercisethatIenjoyandthenIstopenjoyingit.AndthenIneedtopicksomethingelseup.AndIusedtojustfeellike,"Oh,Ishouldhavestuckwiththat."Like,youknow,"Whybeaquitter?"Butit'sokay.Andwhowasit?Iwaslisteningtoapodcastthatyourecommendedandtherewasaguywhosaidhedoesn'tfinishanybooksthatdon'tinteresthim,thathedoesn'tfeelobligatedtofinisheverybook,justbecausehepicksitup.AndIwaslike,"Wow."Isortofdo.IlookatallthosebooksthatIpickupandI'mlike,"Oh,Ishouldreadallofthose."Butreally,ifIpickedupthemainideaalready,ormaybeitdidn'tapplytothatpointinmylife,it'sokaytoletthosethingsgoandtobeokaywiththat,andtoembracevariationasjustpartoflife.Ithinkit'salsotoooneofthemindsetsthatyouandIarebothtryingreallyhardtoinstillinourchildren,whichislike,"It'sokaytotrythingsandeitherfailatthem,ordecide,ortryandkeepovercoming,butthatexperimentsareokay.Youdon'thavetobeguaranteedthatit'sallgoingtoworkoutorthatit'sexactlytherightpathforyou.Youdon'tneedtoknowthatatthefirststep.It'sokaytotakeafewstepsandevaluatefromthere,experiment,test.Ifitfallsapartbutyoustillreallywantit,wewillsupportyou,andkeepgoing.Orit'sokaytoadjust,pivot,allthosethings."Katie:Yeah.Ithinkthat'sahugepoint.Becauseweknowwelearnmoretypicallyfromfailureorfromadaptingthanwedofromsucceedingthefirsttime.IknowyouandIhavetalkedaboutthatalittlebit,butbeingnaturallyTypeAandthenbeingraisedintheschoolmindset,itiseasytofallintothewhole,"ImustsucceedateverythingandIdon'twanttotryitunlessIamgoodatitthefirsttime."Butreally,Ithinkwhenyouframeitlikeyoujustsaid,likeasanexperiment,versussomethingthatmusthappen,Ithinkyouhaveamuchmoreopenmindset.AndIthinkthatactuallyseguesperfectlyintosomethingelseweweregoingtotalkabout,whichismovement.AndIthinkvariationandadaptationisperfectforthat,becauseIammoreandmoreconvinced,whenitcomestomovement,Ithinkweshouldalljustmimicourchildren,forone,becausetheynaturallydothat.Theydon'tliketobelike,"Okay.Soeverydayat6a.m.,IamgoingtogotothegymandplayCapturetheFlag."TheygetobsessedwithCapturetheFlagforthreeweeksandthentheygetobsessedwithclimbingatreeorwhatever.Theyareconstantlyadaptingandtheirbodiesneverthenjustcompletelyadjusttoanykindofmovement.Theyareconstantlygrowingandchanging.Iwillsay.IthinkmovementisoneareathatIamstilltryingtofindmygrooveon,justbecauseIhavetriedsomanydifferentmethods:kettlebells,andheavyweights,whichIlove,orcardio,whichIdon'tlove,butit'sstillgoodforyou,allthesethings.AndIfeellikerightnowtheresearchispointingtowardexactlylikeyousaid:doingwhatyouloveandchangingitupalot.Becauseifyouguysremember,Ithinkitwasmaybelikesixyearsagonow,thewhole"sittingisthenewsmoking."Andeverybodywaslike,"Oh,gosh.Don'tsit.Getastandingdesk!"Andthen,Ithinklastyear


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somethingcameoutwhichwaslike,"Uh,turnsoutstandingalldayisequallybadforyou,sodon'tsitorstand,ordoboth."Butreally,whatthemessageis:Don'tdothesamethingallday.Heather:Right.Katie:Mixitup.Andso,inourhouse--IthinkIhaveposteditonInstagramandtalkedaboutit--butwehavebalanceboards,andsurftrainers,andsquishymats,andballsthatwestandon,allthesethingsjusttomixitup,ratherthanbestill.AndIthinkthatmaybeiswhatitwilltakeformetofindwhatI"love"withmovementisneverthesamethingtwodaysinarow,maybe.Heather:Yeah,andthatkindofgoestotheotherthingthatweweretalkingabout,whichiscommunity.SoyouandIcurrentlyhaveapact,thatwearegoingtogotryasmanyweirdthingsinthearea,notweird,butlikethingswehavenevertriedtosortofexplorewhatitisthatweliketodo,whatkindofthingsweenjoy.SowearegoingtotryhotyogaandwearegoingtodoZumba.AndIthinkthere'saprettywildclassthatwe'regoingtotry.Someoftheenjoymentformeisjustcomingdowntogettingtogetherwithfriends,andgettingoutandtryingsomething,andlettingitbeanopportunityto--Idon'tknow--justhavefuninadifferentway,likeletloose.Andthen,wemightbedonewiththatandtrysomethingelse.Butthere'sacommunalaspecttootomovement.Ifeellikewehavesortofsettheidealaslikeyougotoagymandit'sthisisolatedexperience,wheremaybeplayingFrisbeeisactuallybetterforyouinsomeregardsthananhourofcardio,becauseyouarespendingtimewithyourfriends.ThatisonethingthatisconsistentacrossallBlueZones.Whenyou'removingandyou'realsoparticipatinginacommunity--itcouldbewithyourfamily;itcouldbewithfriends;itcouldbeneighbors--butwhenyouareparticipatingincommunitythatthereissomethingaboutthatthatcreateshealthinandofitself,especiallyinthecontextofjustactivity.Katie:Yeah.Ithinkattheendofthedaythecommunitythingisprobablysomethingthatisnotenoughofafocusforalotofusandthatitshouldbemoreso.AndIknow,likeyoujustsaid,acrossallBlueZones,thatiswhattheyhave:community,andstrongfriendshipsandrelationshipswithpeopleclosetothem.

Andwe'velostthatalotinthemodernworld.Forbothofustherehavebeenalotofbigchangesrecently.Wehavebothmovedsowearenowinthesamegeographicarea.Thatisaboutasmuchdetailaswewillsharerightnow,justbecausewe'realsobothprettyprivateandwewantourkidstojustbekidsandhaveanonymityasmuchaspossible.Notthatwearepeoplethatanyonewouldtrytofind,butjustweliketonotbesuperclearaboutwherewelive.ButthatwasabigfocusIthinkforbothofusindecisionstomovewasfindingaplacewheretherewasthatcommunityandwherekidscouldbekidsandhavethefreedomandindependencetoroamaround,andtospendtimeinthewoods,andtoridebikes,thingsthatIfeellikewehadalittlebitasakid.Andinalotofplaces,thatdoesn'texistanymore.Heather:Yeah,that'strue.It'sboth.It'scommunitywithus,asadults,butIthinkthatisimportantforourkidstosee.ButIalsodothinkthat,forourkidsspecifically,wekindoffeltlikewewantedto--Idon'tknow--


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almostbringbackthe'80s,becausetherewasridingbikes,andtherewastheabilitytotestlimitsandlearnindependence.Andthingshaveshiftedalotnowandit'salittle...IknowthattherewasalawthatwaspassedinUtahrecentlythatkindoftriedtodefinewhatparentscando,becausealotofparentswerefeelinghesitanttoevenlettheirkidstestoutcertaintypesofindependence,becausetheywereafraidthattheywouldgetreportedforbeingnegligent.It'satoughsituationforalotoffamiliesrightnow.Iknowthatforus,weareseekingaplacethatourkidscanlearnsskillsanddevelopsomeindependence,butinawaythatwefeelcomfortablewith,thathascertainsafeguards.Butthatcommunalaspectaboutgivingthemsomefreedomhasbeenreallyimportanttome.Katie:Yeah.Ithink,whenyoulookatthedatatoo,weknowthisfromBlueZones,buthavingthoserelationshipsinyoursamearea,thatismoreimportantfromahealthperspectivethanstoppingsmoking,orexercising,orrealistically,genetictesting,anyoftheseotherthingswehavetalkedabout.Attheendoftheday,ourrelationshipsreallyaresoimportanttoourhealthandtothehealthofthosearoundus.Andso,obviouslyweareallindifferentplacesandhavedifferentabilitiestodothatornot,butIthink,nomatterwhereweare,wecanmakeamoreconsciousefforttobuildcommunity.Wecan'tjustexpectittohappenlikeitdidmaybeinthe1950s.Youjusthadabuilt-inneighborhood,whereyouconnected,oryouhadfamilycloseby.ButIthinkwecanallmakesmallchoicesthatreallylendthemselvestowardmorecommunityandmoretimespent,maybenotinstructuredactivitieseverysingleday,butjustwithpeopleandhavingtimetogether.Ithinkthatisareallyimportantpoint.Heather:Yeah,andyoudidsomereallycoolthingsinyourbackyard.MykidswakeupIwouldsayatleastafewdaysaweekandaskifwe'regoingtoyourhouse.Andthisisallaboutyourbackyard,socanyoutellme...Ithinkyou'vewrittenaboutit.Youjustpublishedapost...Katie:Yeah.Heather:...onwhatyou'vedonetocreateandenvironmentthathelpskidsdevelopthiskindofcommunitywitheachother.Katie:Exactly.Sofirstofall,theanswershouldalwaysbe,"Yes."Wheneveryourkidsaskiftheyaregoingtomyhouse,justsay,"Yes."Heather:It'smyoldestson,man,everytime!Katie:Butjust,that'sbeenabigfocusforus,realizingpsychologicallykidsneedthingsthatIdon'tthinkIgotenoughofasakid,becauseI'mstillhavingtolearnthem.Butjusttheabilitytopushtheirboundarieswithinsafelimits.Tobeabletofall,notinadangerousway,buttobeabletofallandlearntheirlimits,andlearntheirbalance.Wetrainourlimbicsystembyfallingdown,notbystartingoffperfectlybalanced.Babiesarethebestexamplesofthat.Sowewantedtocreateabackyardthatwasmoreofanaturalplayground,versusjustaswingset.Sowehaveallkindsofthings,likethetrampoline,aslackline,aninjaline,whichislikeamonkey


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bars,butbouncyandhangingfromthetrees,andhigherupandharder.Withtheideabeingobviouslywewantourkidstomove,butwealsowantthemtobeabletochallengethemselvesandtolearntheboundariesoftheirbalanceandtheirathleticability,andthentopushthat.Ofcourse,theyalsodothingslikeridebikesandplayintheneighborhood.Thatisthebiggestgiftofournewplacewhereweare,thatIthinkalotofparentsareonthatsamepageandthekidskindofgetthefreedomtojustroaminthiscollectivepackof...It'slikeabikegang.There'slike30kidsonbikes,butthere'salwaysaparentcloseenoughbyifsomethinghappens.There'sthecollective--wecallitthe"MomBrain"--thecollectivemombrain.Somebodyiswatchingoutonceinawhile,buttheydon'tfeellikewearehoveringoverthemorhelicoptering.Sotheyarealsolearningreallyimportantskills,likehowtoworkthroughwhentheydisagreeabouttherulesofagame,withoutarefereeoranadultcominginandsaying,"Youdothis.Youdothis.Youhaveatimeout."Theyactuallyhavetoworkthroughthatandsaylike,"Ifwearegoingtoplayagametogether,howarewegoingtomakesureeverybodyfollowstherules?Andwhathappensifsomebodydoesn'tfollowtherules?Anddotherulesadaptifthatdoesn'twork?"Theyarehavingtofigureallthatout.Ithinkthathasbeenreallyamazingtoseeforthem.BecauseIhadthatasakid,butuntilrecentlymykidsdidn't.Andsoit'sbeenreallyneattoseethemhavetogothroughthosechallenges.Heather:Yeah,andit'snotlike...especiallyinthatcase,becausewearekindofinasimilarsituation.AndIwillsaytoyou.IhadaswingsetwhenIwasgrowingupanditstillblowsmymindhowmuchtimeourkidswillspendoutsideinsortofanunstructuredbutstructuredkindofway,becauseyoujustputitoutthere.Iguessthereismoreroomforcreativityifthey'reinterpretingwhatitis.Idon'tevenknowwhatitisthatthey'redoingoutthere,likePiratesonedayorwhatever,butI'mjustamazedathowmuchtimetheywillactuallyspendoutthere,justexperimentingandtestingthings.It'sreallycool.Theyarelikelittle,physicalscientists.TheotherthingisIthinkthereisanassumptionthatwhenyouallowkidstimewitheachothertonavigatethosekindsofthings,thatisgoingtoturninto"LordoftheFlies"orthattheparentsaresteppingbackandnotbeinginvolved.ButIguessinourexperience,there'salotofconversationsgoingonbehindthescenes,becausethesekidsneedfeedback.Whentheygethometheyarelike,"Idon'tknowhowtohandlethis."Theywanttotalkabouttheirday,butyou'regivingthemlikeasmall,safeenvironmenttotestthoserelationshipstofigureouthowtonavigatethem,todeveloprealthingslikeempathy,becausetheyaresortofexperiencingtheconsequencesofthosereactions.Iftheydon'thandleasituationwell,theygettoseehowthatplaysout,whereasifyouprotectthemfromseeinghowthatplaysout,theymaygetolderandthey'renotreallyaware.Itiskindofliketheskinned-kneething.Youlearnalotfromthemistakesyoumake.Soyouknow,oneofthethingsthatwejustnoticeinourownfamilyisthatit'snotlikethoseconversationsaren'tstillhappening.Theyarejusthappeningdifferently,becausethechildrenarereally...ourkidsareowingtheproblemsalittlebitmore,becausetheyaregettingtoexperiencethemmorefully.Becauseitistheirexperiencethatthey'rebringingtous,insteadofuskindofcircumventingthoserelationships.Soit'sbeeninteresting.Wehavejustareallysmallneighborhood,sooursisnotapackof30kids!Butstill,it'sbeeninterestingandhelpfultothemIthink.


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ThispodcastisbroughttoyoubyHomebiotic.Weallknowaboutourmicrobiomeandmostofusknowaboutouroralmicrobiomeandevenourskinmicrobiome.Butit’seasytoforgetthatweliveinamicrobialenvironmentaswell.Andthatourhomeenvironmentinfluencesourhealthtoo.Theoveruseofdisinfectantsandharshcleansershasledtoanovergrowthoflessthanoptimalbacteriainmanyhomes.Thingslikemold,pets,andthenormalbacteriathatcomeswithahouseholdofkidsrunninginandoutsidealldaycancauseodorsandbacterialimbalanceinourhomes.Thoseofuswithlittlekidshavechildrensittingonthefloorofourhomesandinteractingwiththatbacteriaonadailybasis.So,mysolutiontothishasbeenHomebiotic.Thisisanaturalprobioticsprayforthehomethatneutralizesodors,germsandevenmold.Youcancheckitoutatwellnessmama.com/go/home-bioticKatie:Absolutely.Ithinkalsowecanlearnsomuchfromkidsingeneral,butyou'vebroughtupanotherimportantthing,whichisthatabilitytonavigate.WhatIseemoreandmore--anditsoundslikeyouaretoo--isthemcominginandrealizingtheyhavethepowertoimpactthesituationandthattheyhavetotakeresponsibilityforit.Whentheparentsaren'ttheretobethemakeroftherulesandthekeeperofthepeace,theythenhavetoevaluatemore.Like,"Okay.WhatdidIdothatplayedintothatsituation?AndhowcanImakethesituationbetter?WhatresponsibilitydidIhaveinthat?"Versusjustexpectingtheadultstotakecareofit.ItremindsmeofabookthatIloved.Iwon'tsaythewholename,becausewedon'thaveanexplicitrating,but"TheSubtleArtofNot..."Andifyouwanttoreadtherest,youwillhavetogototheshownotes,butthatwasoneofthekeypointsinthisbook--whichIloved--foradults.Whichwasthat,evenifit'snotyourfault,youshouldtakeresponsibilityforeverysinglethingthathappensinyourlife.Hecallsitevenlike,"extremeresponsibility,'"becausethenyouhavethepowertochangeit.Whereaswhenwebecomethevictimorexpectsomeoneelsetosolvetheproblem--likeinthiscase,childrenexpectingustosolvetheirproblem--theylosetheirpowertofixit.Whereaswhentheyareinmoreofthesefree-playareas,theygettosaylike,"HowcanIfixthesituation?DoIneedtoapologize?HowcanImakethisbetterwiththeotherperson?"Versusalwayshavingthatsafetynet.SoIthinkthatisahugepoint,thatwearegivingthemthatmentalabilitytoworkthroughthingsandtohopefullymakethemistakesnowatayoungerageonsmallerthings,thanwhentheyareadultsandit'sfriendsthathavebeenfriendsforlifethattheyaregoingtomessupafriendship,orajob,oranentrepreneurialopportunityorsomething.Theywillhopefullyhavethesocialskillstonavigatethatinstead.AndIthinkalsoapartofthatwiththecommunity,obviouslyourfamiliesareourfirstcommunityandIknowthatisanimportantthingforbothofus,nurturingourfamilycultureandmakingsurethatourkidsfeelverymuchapartofsomethingthattheylove.Ithink,tothatnote,theideaoffamilytraditionsandfamilycultureissomethingthatIthinkasparentsweshouldbecognizantofandkindofplanaround.AndIwouldloveforyoutotalkaboutthetraditionside,becauseIknowthatyouhavewrittenaboutthatalittlebitandyouguyshave


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somefunthingsthatyoudoasafamily,thatjustbuildyourfamilyculture.Heather:Yeah.Soourtraditionsareactuallychangingandthiskindofgoesbacktobio-individuality.Someofthemareshifting,butwedohavesometraditionsthatwedothroughouttheyearthatcreateconsistency.Andthenwealsoexperimentalot.Sorightnow,myhusbandandthekidsaregettingupanddoingaslowsetofstretchingsessionthatkindofgetsthedaygoing.Andwelistentothis...Idon'tevenknowthename.It'slikeapodcastwheretheybreakdownonecomplexideainfiveminutes.Icangetitfrommyhusband.Hejustthrowsitonandwemakebreakfasttogether.Buttheselittlethingsthroughouttheyear,theycreatecontinuityandsortofasenseofwhoweareandwhatmattertous.Soyouknow,weprioritizelearningandweprioritizebeingtogether.AndthatasIsaid,someofthemareshifting.Sooneofourfamilytraditionsistoprioritizetimetogetherandtravel.Sotherearealotofthingsthatweforegothroughouttheyearinordertohaveaweektogether,whereweexperiencesomethingthatisreallyamazingandkindoftestourselvesagainstadifferentenvironment.Andthen,wehaveweeklytraditionsofthingslikewakingupontheweekendmorningandhavingaslowday.Weliketohaveatleastoneslowday.Sothosekindsofthings.ButyouhavedonesomethingthatIthinkisreallycoolandIfeellikemaybealmostlikedrivesthemeaningbehindwhatwearedoing.Thatisyouarecreatingafamilymission.Orwhatwouldyoucallitthatyouaredoing?Katie:Yeah.Wekindofnameditour"familymanifesto."Iamgoingtowriteaboutitsoonandshareours.ButwethoughtaboutdoingafamilymissionstatementandIknowalotofpeoplerecommendthat,anditjustdidn'tfeelactionableenough,ifthatmakessense.Ifeltlikethewordthatfitforuswasa"manifesto."Andsowesatdownwiththekids,andwebrainstormed,andhadthemthrowout...Itwasreallyinterestingtoseethewordsthattheythrewoutforwhatdescribedourfamily.Theonesthatcametomindfirstforthemwerethingslike"adventurers,"and"explorers,"and"climbers."Likethefouryearold,itwas"hand-standers."AndI'mlike,"Well,I'mnotverygoodatthatoneyet."Butitwasreallycooltoseethethingsthatwereimportanttothem.Andso,wetookallthosewordsanddrafteditintoaparagraphthatismorelikeamanifesto/creed,likeitisanaction-orientedthing,versusnotjustlikehowamissionstatementmightbe.Like,"Thisfamilyis..."Itisverymuchlike,"Weare...Thisiswhatdefinesus."Andso,there'slineslike,"Weareadventurers,explorers,andchallenge-seekers,whoarewillingtotakerisks,andfail,andfalldown,andapologize,becausethatiswhenyougrow."JustthingslikethatandIamworkingontryingtofigureouthowtoartisticallyputthatonawall,sothatitisinaprominentplacetoremindus,becauseithasbecomekindofateachingtoolinthatsense.Whensiblingsfight,wecanbelike,"No,thisisgreat,becausewhenweapologizewegrowandwelearnfromthat,"andjusttyingitbackintothat.Andmyhopeisthatthatstickswiththemwhentheyeventuallymoveon,whichishardtobelievethatisgoingtobeinsevenyearsforthefirstone.Buthopefullythatissomethingtheywilltakewiththemandthatwillkindofguidetheirlife.Andhopefully,maybewiththeirownfamilies,theywillhavetheirownversionofit.


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Ijustfeellikeithelpsustobemoreintentional.Ithinkinlife,especiallyasparents,youcanjustgetsweptupintheday-to-dayandnotreallyhavethetimeandfocustobeintentionalinwhatyouaretryingtoaccomplishwithyourkids.Notthatwedoitwelleveryday.Wecertainlydon't,butwejusttrytokeeptherealizationthat,ofalltheworkthatwedoandallthebusinessthatwebuild,andallthis,thatreallyourmostimportantprojectinlifeishowweraiseourchildren.Sothemanifestojustfeltlikeaverytangiblewaytobringthemintothefamilycultureandhaveuskindoflike,"Thisisus.Thisiswhatwedo.Thisiswhatwebelieve.Andthisishowthatactuallylooksinourlife."Heather:Iamcurioustofindouthowmykidswouldanswerthatquestion,likeaskingthemtohelpmecomeupwithwords.Yeah,I'mgoingtodothat.Itremindsmeofanotherfriendofours.Theirfamilymottois,"Weweremadetodohardthings."Imean,itistheirfamilymotto,butI'veneverforgottenit,becausejustwheneverthey...Becausetheyareaparticularlyadventurousfamilyandtheyhaveusedthatmottotokindofeasethemselvesthroughsomanydifferentcircumstancesandtomake...Itisalmostlikeitmakesbeinguncomfortableattimesjustanormalpartoflife,insteadofsomethingthatyouaretryingtoescapefromorworkyourselfaround.ButIlovethat.IlovethattheyhaveanidentitythatissostrongandnowIwanttogoworkonamanifesto.Katie:Ilovethatlinetoo.Ithinkwehavealladoptedthatfromthesefriendsofours.AndIfindmyselftellingmykidsthatsometimes.Heather:Oh,yeah.Katie:Liketheygetaskinnedknee.Oreven,recentlysomeoneinourextendedfamilybrokehisleg.Anditwasreallyhorriblewhenachildisinthatmuchpain,butthatwasonethingIsaidtohim.Like,"Iknowthisistoughrightnow,butweweremadetodohardthings."AndheactuallystoppedforasecondandIcouldtellhethoughtaboutthat.Ithinkanotherthing--thatkindofatheme--butwecanlearnfromchildrenisthatweshouldactuallyembracechallenge.AndIthinkkidsarenaturallyamazingatthat.Theydon'tshyawayfromit.Heather:Right.Katie:Ithinkthatreallyresonateswithkids.ButIcan'twaittoseewhatyourfamilymanifestoistoo!Heather:I'msurethat,onedaywhenmykidsarewakingupandbeggingmetogotoyourhouse,thatwewillhaveplentyofopportunitiestotellyouaboutwhateverwordstheyhavecomeupwith!Katie:Yes!Well,Iguesstowrapup,weweregoingtotalkaboutsomerandom,obscurethingsthatwehavetriedsincethelastepisode.Definitely,thelastepisodewedidwashardtobeat,becausewewereattheBulletproofConference.Heather:Oh,forsure.Katie:Andwetriedalltherandomthings.But,evenifitisnotaslongofalist,wehavetriedsomerandom


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stuffsincelasttime.Sodoyouwanttotalkaboutthefirstone?Heather:Whatwastherandom...Uh.Oh,yeah,soEscapeRoomandIthinkthisisreallyfun.It'slikebeinginsideagiantpuzzle,whichisreallycool.So,doyouwanttoexplaintheconceptbehindit?Katie:Well,Iamsurethere'sdifferentwaysthattheycanbesetup,butwedidthiswithagroupoffriends,includingourfriendswhosaythatweweremadetodohardthings.Theybasicallylockyouinaroom.Youhaveacertainamountoftime;Ithinkit'susuallyanhour.Theydon'treallygiveyouanyinstructionsandtheyjustsay,"Figureouthowtogetout."It'sawesome,becauseyouhavenoideawhatyou'restartingwith.Youarescouringtheroomforcluesandthentryingtofigureitout,butit'sgreatforteamworkandjusttochallengeyourbrain.Itwasablast.Ithinkitwasoneofthemostfunnightswehavehadinareallylongtimewithagroupoffriends,justhavingtoworktogetherforacommongoalinasuperfunway.Heather:Yeah,forsure.Itisoneofthosethingswhereyougettoknoweachotherindifferentways,becausepeoplehavedifferentskillsetsandtheyshineinthingslikethat.Andyoumightactuallyfeelattimeslikeyoumaybedon'thaveaskillsetthatfits,butyouwill.It'sjustthisreallycoolthing,oranysortofdifficultchallenge;peoplecometogetherandrisetoit.Wehadalotoffunanditgoesbacktocommunityandbuildingthoserelationshipsaspartofoverallhealth.Katie:Yeah.Iknowsomethingwebothhavesaid."Weshoulddothatmoreoften."Itwillbefun.AnotheronethatIwillbedoingawholepodcastaboutsoonistheideaoftrainingthebrainindifferentways,specificallytheladyIinterviewedrunsacompanycalled,"BrainHarmony."Itfocusesalotonchildrenwithanykindofdevelopmentalstruggle,whetheritbeADHD,orautism,orevenmoreseverethings,kindoflikerewiringthebrainforthat.Butit'sbeenreallycool,becauseshehasdifferentprogramsthatyoucangothroughthathelpevenjustputyouintoamoresympathetic-parasympatheticbalance,whichthathasbeengreatformetosee.SothatisoneIwillbedelvingintomore,butsomethingfunthatwe'vetriedrecently.Heather:Now,yousaidthattheyhavetwodifferenttypes.Thereisonethatisusingboneconductionandthenonethat'snot?Katie:Yeah.Sooneisjustsound.Itisdifferentsoundsplayedtodifferentearsatdifferenttimes,withtheideaoflightingupdifferentpartsofthebrainandmakingthempayattention.AndIwasshockedhowmuchyoucanbetiredandstarvingfromdoinghardbrainwork.Theysaythebrainusesmorecaloriespervolumeorwhateverthananyotherpartofthebody,butitreallydoesworkyourbrainreallyhard,whichisfascinating.Andthentheboneconductivityoneisalittlebitmoreadvanced.Sameconcept,itislikewiringandtargetingdifferentpartsofthebrain,butalsousingtheboneaspecttobeabletohitdifferentpoints.Heather:Doesitaffectthevagusnerve,theboneconduction?Katie:Itdoes,yeah.Yeah.It'sreallyfascinating.SoIaminterviewingher.Butit'sreallyneattosee.Shehashadamazingsuccesswithpeople:childrenwhohadautism,whorecoverdrastically,orchildrenwithanger


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issues,ornon-verbalchildren,justamazing.SheisoneofthemostpatientpeopleIhaveevermet.Shecallseverybody,"Friend."There'snopatientsinherclinic.There'sjustfriendsthatcometovisitanditislikeagiganticplayground,butthatteachesyourbrainthings.Sothatwasalsosomeoftheinfluenceforourbackyard.It'sjustIwantittobeaplaygroundthatteachesyourbrainthings.

Yeah.Andthen,thelastoneisfascia,fascia.Wedon'tactuallyknowhowtosaythat,becausethisistheriskofbeingablogger.Wecanreadallthewords,butthenwehavetosaythemoutloudandwedon'tknowhowtosaythem.Heather:DidItellyouhowIwouldn'tdoawaterkefir,kefir,kefir.Katie:Kefir,whateveritis.Heather:Right,becauseIeveninterviewedabunchofdifferentexpertsandIsaid,"Howdoyousayit?"Nobodyreallyagreed.EventuallyIthinkthebiggestoneIgotwaskefir,butIcouldn'tdothevideoforlikeayear,becauseIwasjustafraidtosaytheword.Anyway,so,backtothisfascia,fascia.Katie:Yes.I'vejustbeencuriousaboutitrecently,soI'vedonesomemyofascialwork.HopefullyI'msayingthatright!Butalsojustdelvedintotheresearchonitandit'sreallycool.SotheNESHealth,themiHealthdevicethatmeasuresthebodyindifferentways,liketheenergeticoutputofdifferentorgans,theyalsolookatthefascia,becauseit'ssuper...Likeit'sbasicallywethinkofitlikeatoughthing,butit'sactuallyaveryaqueous,liquid,verymineral-richsubstance,andsoitishighlyconductive.Andso,electricityandenergycantravelthroughitreallyquickly,butalso--weknowfrommassageandfrommyofascialrelease--itcanbecomebunchedincertainpoints.Orifyouhavehadsurgery,ifyouhavehadaC-section,youcangetadhesionsanditcanbecomemessedupthere.Orevenlikecellulitetheythinkispartlybecauseofyourfasciabeingbunchedup.Soit'sjustbeensomethingIhavebeenresearchingalotandtryingdifferenttreatmentstoseewhattheydo.OneIloveistheMyoBuddy,whichiskindofamixtureofmyofascialrelease,andpercussivemassage,andheat.Ithinkyoutrieditrecentlytoo.Heather:Yes,it'sreallycool.Mykidsactuallyloveittoo.Theybegforamassagebeforebed.WegotadeviceforChristmasandit'sbeenamazing.Theyreallylikeit.Iactuallyputitontheirchest,tryingtogetalittlebitclosetothevagusnerve,andIfindthatitreallycalmsthembeforebed.Katie:Yeah.It'ssuperrelaxing.Ithink--Imean,Istillloveregularmassage--butit'sprettycloseasfarasrelaxationforsure.Sothatisallourrandomstuffforthisepisodeandwe'vebeentalkingfor45minutes,whichiscrazy.Thetimegoesbysofast!But,nowthatweliveinthesameplaceandwehaveadmittedthatopenly,wearegoingtobedoingmorepodcaststogether.Soifyouguyshaveanythingyouwantustospecificallytalkabout,wewouldlovetohearfromyou.Theshownotesandeverythingwementionedwillbeatwellnessmama.fm,oryoucanfindthispodcastonyourappaswellandyoucangettoitfromthere.Butasalways,thankyoufortakingthetime,andforbeinghere,andlistening.Andthanks,Heather,forbeinghere.It'salwaysfun.


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Heather:Thankyouforhavingme!Katie:AndIwillhopefullyseeyou/hearyounexttimeontheHealthyMom'spodcast.

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