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Thursday 2 August 2012 #ukedchat Archive

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ethinking 20:00#ukedchat @teachingofsci @mrlockyer it depends if we discuss

evidence or feelings

ukedchat 20:00

It's 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with @mrlockyer "Given the chance,

what would you keep, change, adjust or improve in our Edu system,

& why?"

mrlockyer 20:00 #ukedchat Good evening Edchatters! Tonights topic is simply - if

you could change something, what would you change and why? [1/4]

JanP65 20:01 National testing. As it stands puts so much pressure on learners and

not convinced it gives a true picture of learning. #Ukedchat

mrlockyer 20:01

#ukedchat Lets please keep this friendly and informed, and pls

also state WHY if you are suggesting something new/different/no

change[3/4]

dailydenouement 20:01

RT @ukedchat: It's 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with @mrlockyer "Given

the chance, what would you keep, change, adjust or improve in ourEdu system, & why?"

mrlockyer 20:01

#ukedchat This is an opportunity to have some reasoned and

balanced debate, whilst celebrating what is great about our jobs and

schools[2/4]

dailydenouement 20:01#ukedchat Will try & keep up tonight, but not feeling 100% (oh &

watching the Olympics!)

icpjones 20:01

RT @ukedchat: It's 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with @mrlockyer "Given

the chance, what would you keep, change, adjust or improve in our

Edu system, & why?"

nickotkdIV 20:02 @JanP65 would you ban testing? #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:03@JanP65 It gives a picture of ability to recall facts, rather than testing

real understanding #ukedchat

mrlockyer 20:03#ukedchat Any initial thoughts, folks? Please note, no tweeting to

lose or changing lanes?

Monty_Math 20:03Right - going to try and multitask - Olympic swimming and #ukedchat

ethinking 20:03

@JanP65: RT @bartoneducation Saw this tweeted by one of my

followers earlier today. Its the future! http://t.co/FhsYUEMF

#Ukedchat

suegrundy 20:03 RT @bartoneducation: #ukedchat Saw this tweeted by one of myfollowers earlier today. It's the future! http://t.co/sYdZxvG6

danielharvey9 20:04 #ukedchat adjust goves' flawed thinking and inability to explain his

thinking at the time of announcement/leak.

MichelleDhillon 20:04 Making a return to #ukedchat tonight :-)

JanP65 20:04@nickotkdIV Not necessarily ban but think the culture of it needs to

change. #Ukedchat

nickotkdIV 20:05@JanP65 agree! we terst our year 3/4. If done correctly without

uneeded pressure chd do well #ukedchat

eslweb 20:05If I got the chance I would want more Portfolio assessment.

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ICTwitz 20:05I also think the 'building schools programme' was taking school

building in the right direction. #Ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:05 #ukedchat What I'd keep in our education system: A-levels, subject

specialism, faith schools and comprehensives..

Monty_Math 20:05 Okay - first up would remove gradings from lesson observations - noevidence to show they improve teaching #ukedchat

JanP65 20:05

@ICTwitz Exactly! Formative assessment, if properly integrated

should be able to give the information/data of learning needed

#Ukedchat

eslweb 20:06RT @dailydenouement: #ukedchat I'd be tempted to introduce an

exchange-style scheme, so all teachers got to spend a year in a

different school every few years.

ICTwitz 20:06

@eslweb May I ask, how would the portfolio assessment be

collected? What are your thoughts? Electronically? Paper?Combination? #Ukedchat

nickotkdIV 20:06 @ShaunGosney an excellent point! #ukedchat

davoloid 20:06

Going to listen in to tonight's #ukedchat with @mrlockyer "what

would you keep, change, adjust or improve in our Edu system, &

why?"

dailydenouement 20:06 #ukedchat I'd be tempted to introduce an exchange-style scheme, so

all teachers got to spend a year in a different school every few years.

nickotkdIV 20:06 RT @ShaunGosney: @ukedchat need to change the Y1 phonics test.

Shouldn't tell a 6 year old that they have failed! #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:06

@JanP65 I think it may be the constant assessment that's a problem.

There's always been national testing. Maybe slightly more now

#ukedchat

lizdudley 20:06Change Ofsted to be a supportive system, with real teachers being

seconded to be inspectors. #Ukedchat

nickotkdIV 20:06 @MichelleDhillon Welcome back #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:06Worried about the state of some buildings, and the lack of space for

future generations. #Ukedchat

MichelleDhillon 20:07 I'd like to encourage use of social media in classroom/educatinglearners on how to use it positively, esp Twitter :) #ukedchat

Primary_Ed 20:07 I am now the PE coordinator in my school! Any ideas, resources or

links that will help me please let me know! #ukedchat #edchat

oldandrewuk 20:07

#ukedchat What I'd get rid of: dumbing-down, several layers of

management, inclusion, paperwork, student-voice, calculators in

maths...

ICTwitz 20:07 @lizdudley Having inspectors who are fully qualified would be a start

wouldn't it!!! I agree, need to be supportive. #Ukedchat

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nickotkdIV 20:07RT @dailydenouement: #ukedchat I'd be tempted to introduce an



ethinking 20:07 #ukedchat @mrlockyer I'd keep the teacher who said they could only

assess creativity if it happened at the creative table

s_armitage 20:07

@mrlockyer Replace post 16 system with a bacc style one? (not

necessarily IB). Narrowing to 3 or 4 is counter rest of world

#ukedchat

JanP65 20:07 @ICTwitz And the inequality between children educated in new build

schools in those in old buildings. #Ukedchat

jamesdhobsonuk 20:08 I would have spot checks on toilets. Many children avoid them all day

if they can. It would improve learning quickly. "OFBOG" #ukedchat

JanP65 20:08 @ICTwitz And have actually taught at some point, preferably recently

and in that year group (prim or sec) #Ukedchat

danielharvey9 20:08

#ukedchat more seriously teachers and school leaders need to

develop new assessment ideas/approaches that capture key

audiences.

davoloid 20:08@MichelleDhillon That is definitely needed, just look at the Daley

troll this week. #Ukedchat


#ukedchat Good idea! >>> RT @nickotkdIV: @dailydenouement

would you make teacher go through the key stages ire KS2 teach in

KS3?

ICTwitz 20:08Finally, @oldandrewuk starts speaking some sense ;-) #Ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:08@JanP65 Eton is pretty old, but I get your drift! ;-) #Ukedchat

eslweb 20:08 @ICTwitz I'd do it electronically, because instead of textbooks they'd

have tablets like the transformer all connected to WIFI. #ukedchat

ethinking 20:08 #ukedchat @mrlockyer I'd keep the teacher who said they couldn't

assess ability in subtraction because they hadn't taught it yet

eslweb 20:09 @jamesdhobsonuk I agree, at a College I used to work, the cleaners

cleaned them every hour during the day. So much better. #ukedchat

danielharvey9 20:09#ukedchat that way gove will look isolated if ofsted and school

improvement says schools know best.

nickotkdIV 20:09@dailydenouement Cool! not sure i fancy Year 9 but i am up for the

challenge! #ukedchat

eyebeams 20:09@MichelleDhillon #ukedchat - join up here > http://t.co/nQPOjcye

oldandrewuk 20:09 #ukedchat ...phonics denialism in English, citizenship, PSHE, anyinitiative known by its initials, meetings, INSET. Most things really.

JanP65 20:09 @ICTwitz LOL! #Ukedchat

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AnnMroz 20:09 @oldandrewuk Why faith schools? #ukedchat

primaryteachICT 20:10

Technology in the new Early Years Foundation Stage:What do you

need to prepare? #ukedchat #earlyyears http://t.co/yGnmkqQJ via

@marc_faulder

oldandrewuk 20:10

#ukedchat What I'd improve: workload, expectations of behaviour

and effort, minimal qualification for managers, teaching methods. So

much.

HelenaPielichat 20:10

RT @Primary_Ed: I am now the PE coordinator in my school! Any

ideas, resources or links that will help me please let me know!

#ukedchat #edchat

JanP65 20:10 Recently been reading up about Flipping Classrooms. Think the idea is

great. Would like to see it in practice. Anyone doing it? #Ukedchat

mrlockyer 20:10#ukedchat What is good about learning at the moment? Which

aspects of the curriculum need to change?

MichelleDhillon 20:10@nickotkdIV Thanks very much! Been having a rest, of sorts :/ Nice to

tweet you :) #ukedchat

TaffTykeC 20:10RT @dailydenouement: #ukedchat I'd be tempted to introduce an



mikemcsharry 20:10



#ukedchat #edchat

nicoladarling78 20:11 @JanP65 what is flipping classrooms? #ukedchat

Mr_Kerwood 20:11 Which tablet should I get? #Samsung Galaxy 2 or #Google Nexus7?

Any advice folks? http://t.co/LvmYEuLG #edtech #ukedchat

EmmaAbuDhabi 20:11 RT @lizdudley: Change Ofsted to be a supportive system, with real

teachers being seconded to be inspectors. Here here! #Ukedchat

dafyddhumphreys 20:11#ukedchat @mrlockyer Nationalise all the private schools and

academies.

JanP65 20:11 @TaffTykeC I agree. In Scotland with the guaranteed prob year mov't

bt schools is even more restricted! #Ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:11 @MichelleDhillon on similar note I'd like more teachers on twittersharing info & resources. 2 many who don't or won't share #ukedchat

s_armitage 20:11

Promoting twitter with sixth form @StephenPerse. Good reaction

from students MT @MichelleDhillon: use of social media in

classroom #ukedchat

MichelleDhillon 20:11 RT @davoloid: @MichelleDhillon That is definitely needed, just look

at the Daley troll this week exactly why I said it! :)) #Ukedchat

ethinking 20:12 #ukedchat @cherrylkd @michelledhillon that's not about twitter -

the underlying cause is complacency and or incompetence

jamesdhobsonuk 20:12RT @dafyddhumphreys: #ukedchat @mrlockyer Nationalise all the

private schools and academies.

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eslweb 20:12 @Mr_Kerwood They're both made by Samsung. But it depends if you

want a large phone or a small tablet. #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:12RT @SwayGrantham: agree our classrooms are already pushing it in

terms size and space #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:12All *relevant* links shared during #ukedchat sessions are collected at

http://t.co/XUB5jSQD

ICTwitz 20:12@mrlockyer There are some good aspects of AfL, it can really hone in

on what pupils have learned. #Ukedchat

eslweb 20:13RT @lizdudley: More funding available for new technology for use in

the classroom please! #Ukedchat

JanP65 20:13

@nicoladarling78 From what I understand students watch lectures at

home and work in school hands on with teacher avail as support

#Ukedchat

TaffTykeC 20:13@dailydenouement love this idea! Great CPD without worry of

interview/move etc. #ukedchat

nickotkdIV 20:13 love the creative curriculum! #ukedchatlizdudley 20:13

More funding available for new technology for use in the classroom

please! #Ukedchat

mrlockyer 20:13 RT @ICTwitz: @mrlockyer There are some good aspects of AfL, it can

really hone in on what pupils have learned. #Ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:13 #ukedchat I'm not sure how I'd do it, but I think parent/carer

involvement needs to be changed. I'd like to see real partnership.

jennyfer37 20:13

@mrlockyer many teachers trying new & innovative ways to engage

students thru tech= gd. Many 2 scared 2 try & not supptd to do so

#ukedchat

JanP65 20:14 @Monty_Math I agree! #Ukedchat

lovepookiecat 20:14RT @dailydenouement: #ukedchat I'd be tempted to introduce an



nickotkdIV 20:14 @ShaunGosney unrealalistic! #ukedchat

TaffTykeC 20:14RT @primaryteachICT: Technology in the new Early Years Foundation

Stage:What do you need to prepare? #ukedchat #earlyyears

http://t.co/yGnmkqQJ via @marc_faulder

MrG_ICT 20:14 RT @lizdudley: Change Ofsted to be a supportive system, with real

teachers being seconded to be inspectors. Here here! #Ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:14 RT @lizdudley: Change Ofsted to be a supportive system, with real

teachers being seconded to be inspectors. #Ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:14@dailydenouement Agree, I think that is a tough nut to crack

#Ukedchat

nickotkdIV 20:14@mrlockyer i would want to improve the red tape that schools get

#ukedchat

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nicoladarling78 20:14 RT @lizdudley: Change Ofsted to be a supportive system, with real


Monty_Math 20:14Changes to curriculum - Make afl key in curriculum, personalise

learning as far as possible #ukedchat

nicoladarling78 20:14 @dailydenouement Oooo that sounds interesting and it would begreat if sometimes it could be international too! #ukedchat

ethinking 20:14 #Ukedchat @dafyddhumphreys @mrlockyer @jamesdhobsonuk

privatise the whole system - allow the weak staff to be binned

oldandrewuk 20:14@AnnMroz #ukedchat Because they encourage free-thinking.

mrlockyer 20:15

RT @dailydenouement: #ukedchat I'm not sure how I'd do it, but I

think parent/carer involvement needs to be changed. I'd like to see

real partnership.

TaffTykeC 20:15 @primaryteachICT @marc_faulder I'm in reception next year and

really want to use even more ICT across the year group. #ukedchat

nicoladarling78 20:15@JanP65 so it's a secondary rather than primary thing? #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:15

@mrlockyer Too much PSHE. We do job of parents & community via

PSHE. It can't all be job of teachers to produce good citizens

#ukedchat

brynll 20:15 @mrlockyer Build on Olympics. Legacy. Develop interest in games,

physicality...not just football and other traditional sports #ukedchat

Jon_Torbitt 20:15@dafyddhumphreys @mrlockyer what would nationalisation achieve

realistically? #ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:16#ukedchat I'd like to change the observation process so it is about

developing practice & not judging.

Jon_Torbitt 20:16@danielharvey9 not sure what you mean can you be more

specific? #ukedchat

JanP65 20:16@nicoladarling78 Do a web search for flipped classrooms. Quite

interesting idea. #Ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:16@ethinking @michelledhillon Possibly so. I know I've learned loads

since joining twitter #ukedchat

hip_teacher 20:16#ukedchat I'd like more smooth jazz in lessons, more of the time#aces

MichelleDhillon 20:16

@s_armitage @StephenPerse sounds very interesting, will check it

out :) I'm also encouraging students to use Twitter to share work

#ukedchat

nickotkdIV 20:16RT @lizdudley: More funding available for new technology for use in

the classroom please! #Ukedchat

JanP65 20:16@nicoladarling78 Oh no! I think it could be used in Primary as well.

Upper at least! #Ukedchat

Stephen_Logan 20:16

@ukedchat quality careers information advice and guidance,

employability and enterprise to support students with their future.#ukedchat

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Jon_Torbitt 20:16

@lizdudley don't make more money available, stop the ripoff culture

that pervades education suppliers who deliver poor products

#ukedchat

i_am_seamus 20:16



#ukedchat #edchat

nickotkdIV 20:17 #ukedchat more funding given to school for them to spend. less ringfenced money!

ICTwitz 20:17 I think the pressure should be turned onto Head-teachers. So many

weak leaders out there, stopping the cream from rising. #Ukedchat

Jon_Torbitt 20:17 @s_armitage @mrlockyer need to sort UCAS system and unfair

pressures whilst you're reforming A Levels #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:17

@AnnMroz #ukedchat Only places with ideals that predate the

progressive tradition of the early 20th century which are the

dominant paradigm.

HilaryNunns 20:17 RT @lizdudley: Change Ofsted to be a supportive system, with real


nicoladarling78 20:17@lizdudley yes please that would be brilliant! More funding! ;-)

#ukedchat

s_armitage 20:17 Maths for everyone to age 18? #ukedchat with right curriculum no

reason for it to be bad. Prob of enough teachers obvious though...

Jon_Torbitt 20:18

. @s_armitage not just Maths, make it a STEM - bin individual

subjects and go for science/eng with maths/comp/sci all in one

#ukedchat

plestered 20:18

#ukedchat @ukedchat 1. government interference- constant

meddling just causes stress, slows down improvements and does not

benefit stdnts..

CanonsOPP 20:18 RT @lizdudley: Change Ofsted to be a supportive system, with real


nickotkdIV 20:18 RT @HilaryNunns: #ukedchat I'd like to see schools/colleges

collaborating over staff training + development

jennyfer37 20:18 @lizdudley but make sure it is being used for a purpose - not buying

it then inventing a reason to use it #ukedchat

CanonsOPP 20:18@oldandrewuk Would that be all faith schools? #Ukedchat

HilaryNunns 20:18#ukedchat I'd like to see schools/colleges collaborating over staff

training + development

Monty_Math 20:18

@dailydenouement: #ukedchat I'd like to change the

observation process so it is about developing practice & not

judging.agreed!

JanP65 20:18 RT @dailydenouement: #ukedchat Id like to change the observation

process so it is about developing practice & not judging. #Ukedchat

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GeographyCarrie 20:18

RT @dailydenouement: #ukedchat I'm not sure how I'd do it, but I

think parent/carer involvement needs to be changed. I'd like to see

real partnership.

Fiona_Davis 20:18 RT @lizdudley: Change Ofsted to be a supportive system, with real


MichelleDhillon 20:18 @r_b_bastard On another note, sure I can give you tips etc! :)#ukedchat

dailydenouement 20:19 #ukedchat I'd like there to be more of a focus on decent careers

advice, tailored to pupils. Let's really prepare them for post-edu life.

ethinking 20:19

#ukedchat @ICTwitz @dailydenouement involving parents is

inconvenient - they have ideas abt hw their kids learn=> discourage it

at all costs

Jon_Torbitt 20:19

@HilaryNunns: #ukedchat I'd like to see schools/colleges

collaborating over staff training + developmenti'd like non-

pointless CPD/INSET?

danielharvey9 20:19

@EmmaAbuDhabi: RT @lizdudley: Change Ofsted to be a supportive

system, with real teachers being seconded to be inspectors

#Ukedchat so Right

nickotkdIV 20:19#ukedchat make more money availble to dvevelop staff not SOW!

MichelleDhillon 20:19 @ethinking Good point @cherrylkd, bit ironic as I'm getting students

to share their work across the networks/media ;) #ukedchat

s_armitage 20:19

@MichelleDhillon need to be careful re safeguarding if you are

thinking of making all students use twitter. It is poss though.

#ukedchat

HilaryNunns 20:19 RT @dailydenouement: #ukedchat I'd like to change the observation

process so it is about developing practice & not judging.

nicoladarling78 20:20 @nickotkdIV here here!!! I agree we need to know what they want

from us and so training should be given! #ukedchat

jamesdhobsonuk 20:20 I would like every pressure group who wants their hobby horse to be

" put in the National Curriculum" to get stuffed. #ukedchat

plestered 20:20@ukedchat #ukedchat 2. Assessment framewrk does not oftenreflect true ability of students & can narrow their education & thirst

for knwldge

s_armitage 20:20 @Jon_Torbitt wish reform of ALevels was set in context of vision for

education.Too piecemeal, political and cost saving agenda #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:20

@dailydenouement For us that's already changing. More peer

mentoring than observation. Very supportive. Not judgemental

#ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:20@ethinking LOL, I know what you're getting at. Lots to thank the

Daily Mail for!!! #Ukedchat

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ethinking 20:20 #ukedchat @Jon_Torbitt @lizdudley sack the stupid teachers who are

not bright enough to identify duff products. Professionals not victims.

mrlockyer 20:20

#ukedchat How do you assess? Does it work? How do you know?

What would you change? Are Exams worth it? Can I fit any more

questions into thi

Mr_Kerwood 20:20 @eslweb thanks for the advice. Take it galaxy is the large phone? I

think I want a tablet, shame nexus is not bigger!! #ukedchat

eslweb 20:20 I'd like to see teacher being given time to do action research. Nothing

helps you reflect than having a useful project to do. #ukedchat

nickotkdIV 20:20 #ukedchat change OFSTED Obs: if schools have good manmagemnet

why is OFSTED needed? get rid of them! more supportive role!

ethinking 20:21 RT @oldandrewuk: @Jon_Torbitt @s_armitage #ukedchat Combiningsubjects always dumbs down. They are separate for a reason.

danielharvey9 20:21

@ICTwitz: I think the pressure should be turned on heads So many

weak leaders out there, stopping the cream from rising #ukedchat

ouch!!

s_armitage 20:21

@Jon_Torbitt how about English and foreign Lang too? Why should

we limit our horizons and those of students for next generation.

#ukedchat

ethinking 20:21#ukedchat @plestered @ukedchat the govt pay for education - they.

Are elected specifically to meddle...

Stephen_Logan 20:21 @dailydenouement most definitely #crucial #ukedchat


@s_armitage Using a safe schools only social network we've buil

with strong code of behaviour that is reinforced to all students

#ukedchat

jamesdhobsonuk 20:21RT @ethinking: #ukedchat @ICTwitz @dailydenouement involving

parents is inconvenient - they have ideas abt hw their kids learn=>

discourage it at all costs

nickotkdIV 20:21 @mrlockyer assessment should be made a postive for the children.

challnge them to beat thyere previuous best! #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:21 @CanonsOPP #ukedchat Of course not.

Jon_Torbitt 20:21 #ukedchat @ethinking @lizdudley sadly the people making decisions

are usually the 1s with the power to do the sacking!

CanonsOPP 20:21 #Ukedchat I'd like to see a change in how education is led, with

politicians deferring to education specialists from time to time.

lizdudley 20:21

Realistic careers advice from an early age too, see too many 6th

formers devastated when you point out not everyone can be dr/vet

#Ukedchat

JanP65 20:21@dailydenouement My nephew in Canada has the choice to studymedicine, law, etc in High School! Early career development!

#Ukedchat

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oldandrewuk 20:21 @Jon_Torbitt @s_armitage #ukedchat Combining subjects always

dumbs down. They are separate for a reason.

Stephen_Logan 20:21

RT @dailydenouement: #ukedchat I'd like there to be more of a focus

on decent careers advice, tailored to pupils. Let's really prepare them

for post-edu life.

Jon_Torbitt 20:22 @s_armitage yep, fiddling whilst Rome burns has sprung to mind afew times! #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:22 @CanonsOPP #ukedchat Right. Democracy replaced with even more

bureaucracy. Can't imagine anything worse.

CanonsOPP 20:22 @oldandrewuk Sorry. What I meant was all types, not all individual

faith schools (eg Muslim, Hindu, Christian). #Ukedchat

Jon_Torbitt 20:22@s_armitage could do - humanities? STEM is my bag though, rubbish

at Biology sadly! #ukedchat

DJTom3 20:22RT @ukedchat: At 8pm @mrlockyer is hosting #ukedchat with "Given

the chance, what would you keep, change, adjust or improve in our

Edu system, & why?"

benniekara 20:22 I'd like mentoring of beginner teachers to be accredited for thse who

strive to do it well - not enough focus on mentors in sch. #ukedchat

HilaryNunns 20:22Hampshire 6th forms have a common inset day, share expertise and

costs - works well! #ukedchat

GeographyCarrie 20:22 @JanP65 I've tried it and like it with my Gcse classes - but relies on

access to tech at home and kids being bothered #flipclass #ukedchat

Jon_Torbitt 20:22

@oldandrewuk @s_armitage not necessarily - Germans do ok? I

could teach Maths/Computing as one subject without dumbing down

#ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:23@danielharvey9 AND, some governing bodies are just too weak!

#Ukedchat

JanP65 20:23

@ethinking All careers involved different curriculum knowledge,

should we not be encouraging these skills in schools by combining?

#Ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:23

@danielharvey9 Hehe, don't get me wrong, there are some great

leaders out there. Some HT's clearly hold their schools back!#Ukedchat

plestered 20:23

@ukedchat #ukedchat 3. Schools shld be allowed REAL freedoms to

innovate and be creative. On that point- 4. Ebacc- let's have a proper

one!


@davoloid Ha! Not just Daley troll, there is no real education for

learners on how to use social media & avoid getting arrested ;)

#ukedchat

vausekatie 20:24

@ukedchat @mrlockyer #ukedchat support enterprise education

across all levels so that we can create a future generation of

entrepreneurs

TaffTykeC 20:24@primaryteachICT @marc_faulder Thanks for the tip! Can't wait to

take IcT to my new class. #ukedchat

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Stephen_Logan 20:24Whatever changes made, TIME to see it through. Always constant

change after change. #ukedchat


RT @GeographyCarrie: #ukedchat I'd like more time to observe other

teachers, develop collaborative links with them to make progress in

my career #ukedchat

s_armitage 20:24

@Jon_Torbitt @oldandrewuk no reason why right curric of Maths

and STEM can't engage w range of ability and interest to age 18#ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:24@CanonsOPP #ukedchat On the whole. Some denominations more

than others.


#ukedchat I'd like more time to observe other teachers, develop

collaborative links with them to make progress in my career

#ukedchat

Jon_Torbitt 20:24 @danielharvey9 @ictwitz problem u have is - who judges heads?

Why are they the best choices? #ukedchat

MichelleDhillon 20:24@cherrylkd @ethinking Me too! Twitter is an excellent resource thatmore people should make use of for professional purposes

#ukedchat

mrlockyer 20:25

RT @vausekatie: @ukedchat @mrlockyer #ukedchat support

enterprise education across all levels so that we can create a future

generation of entrepreneurs

CanonsOPP 20:25

@oldandrewuk What's so democratic about current system? Plenty

happening not in manifestos and damage done by next election.

#Ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:25

@MichelleDhillon @ethinking #ukedchat No one refuses a new

initiative I take to school from twitter yet there's reluctance to join.

Odd!

Jon_Torbitt 20:25

@s_armitage @oldandrewuk totally agree - you just need a games

programming book to show the importance of Maths/Physics!

#ukedchat

mrlockyer 20:25



my career #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:25@Jon_Torbitt @s_armitage #ukedchat Are you saying Germans don't

teach maths as a subject?

ethinking 20:25

#ukedchat @oldandrewuk @JanP65 pursue the discipline, then apply

it....Howard Gardner said so

HilaryNunns 20:26



my career #ukedchat

JanP65 20:26@mrlockyer Yes! Cross curricular application of learning! #Ukedchat

CanonsOPP 20:26@oldandrewuk Why some more than others? Surely what's good for

the goose... #Ukedchat

Ann_Litchfield 20:26 RT @lizdudley: Change Ofsted to be a supportive system, with real


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Monty_Math 20:26 Wld love to see more teachers teaching in way they believe is best

rather than doing what they think others are looking for #ukedchat

GeographyCarrie 20:26@cherrylkd @michelledhillon @ethinking I have a similar experience

#ukedchat

nickotkdIV 20:26 RT @MrG_ICT: #ukedchat Take politics out of education. Then wechange ed based on research and experienc not on political whim.

Run by panel of edu prof

Jon_Torbitt 20:26

@oldandrewuk @s_armitage No - Germans have the chance to

specialise in areas rather than individual subjects before GCSE age

#ukedchat

TaffTykeC 20:26 @nicoladarling78 @dailydenouement I agree. Chance to see other

curriculums in other countries...amazing! #ukedchat

MrG_ICT 20:26

#ukedchat Take politics out of education. Then we change ed based

on research and experienc not on political whim. Run by panel ofedu prof

nicoladarling78 20:26 @benniekara That is a very good point! ;-) #ukedchat

lizdudley 20:26 Time to do things is a big thing for teachers, in FE our teaching hours

keep increasing as budgets get cut, little time for PD #Ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:26@AnnMroz #ukedchat You clearly know nothing about faith schools.

ICTwitz 20:26 One frustration to me is that the last government had the chance to

really change edu in England, but didn't push it through. #Ukedchat

CanonsOPP 20:26@oldandrewuk I didn't propose more bureaucracy, nor did I advocate

an

TaffTykeC 20:27

@brynll @mrlockyer I agree. Great opportunity for that! I have had

my own eyes opened to other sports like hockey and volleyball!

#ukedchat

CanonsOPP 20:27@MrG_ICT I agree with the vast majority of that. #Ukedchat

DJTom3 20:27#ukedchat - more clash for school buildings, making ofsted fairer,

they are ideas I can think if at the mo. #fb

Jon_Torbitt 20:27 . @MrG_ICT Does research not take too long? Can it be done morequickly, at speed of private sector? #ukedchat

Stephen_Logan 20:27

RT @vausekatie: @ukedchat @mrlockyer #ukedchat support

enterprise education across all levels so that we can create a future

generation of entrepreneurs

oldandrewuk 20:27 @s_armitage @Jon_Torbitt #ukedchat Or we could stop trying to

entertain, sorry "engage" and just try to make them learn.

CanonsOPP 20:27RT @MrG_ICT: #ukedchat Take politics out of education. Then we

change ed based on research and experienc not on political whim.Run by panel of edu prof

icpjones 20:27 #ukedchat @s_armitage

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plestered 20:27 @ukedchat #ukedchat 5. Big up the profession! Too much in the

press, often by politicians about how poor state education is...

GeographyCarrie 20:28 @lizdudley same for teachers in academies... I'm on a heavier

timetable than ever next year. Sucks right?! #ukedchat

s_armitage 20:28@oldandrewuk @Jon_Torbitt I think the point is science /Maths forall post 16 might involve being less subject focussed. Skills?

#ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:28 @danielharvey9 Well read ;-) #Ukedchat

CanonsOPP 20:28 @gingertom5 And it's only the voices they want to hear that (largely)

support their existing predelictions. #Ukedchat

Jon_Torbitt 20:28 @Monty_Math that's ok when they are doing it well - what if they're

not? Could they do more harm than good? #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:28 @nickotkdIV @michelledhillon @ethinking #ukedchat just me in myschool. Shame.

plestered 20:28

@ukedchat #ukedchat...cld go on but nd to put kids to bed! Some grt

discssns going on- keep them coming. Twitter is challenging views-

grt!

hgaldinoshea 20:28 RT @dailydenouement: #ukedchat I'd like to change the observation

process so it is about developing practice & not judging.

JillLavs 20:28

@lizdudley: Change Ofsted to be a supportive system, real teachers

being seconded to be inspectors. #Ukedchat Imagine...secondmt

idea.gd!

nicoladarling78 20:28 @TaffTykeC @dailydenouement managed to go to India for a week

on a #britishcouncil trip a while back and learnt SO much #ukedchat

MichelleDhillon 20:28 @geographycarrie @cherrylkd @nickotkdIV @ethinking Maybe they

just prefer other people to do the 'work'? ;) #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:28

@benniekara #ukedchat Spot on! As teacher mentors we give so

much time 2 it, should be accredited course. Remove those who

don't want 2do it

danielharvey9 20:28

@ICTwitz: @danielharvey9 AND, some governing bodies are just

too weak! #Ukedchatthey can't all be great. U sound vexed byyours??

nickotkdIV 20:29 RT @lizdudley: Change Ofsted to be a supportive system, with real


Anniegottago 20:29 #ukedchat more teachers to become excited by cpd possibilities of

Twitter, PLNs, collaborations etc and take initiative for own learning.

Jon_Torbitt 20:29

@oldandrewuk @s_armitage thought that's what we did anyway? I

go out of my way to tell them i'm not there for that, mine do ok?

#ukedchat

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cherrylkd 20:29 @MichelleDhillon @geographycarrie @nickotkdiv @ethinking

#ukedchat I think you're right there. Let others do the work!

oldandrewuk 20:29

@Jon_Torbitt @s_armitage #ukedchat When we start trying to justify

academic learning by relating it to hobbies we might as well just give

up

nicoladarling78 20:29 RT @Stephen_Logan: Whatever changes made, TIME to see it

through. Always constant change after change. #ukedchat

DJTom3 20:29 RT @lizdudley: Change Ofsted to be a supportive system, with real


nicoladarling78 20:29@cherrylkd @MichelleDhillon @ethinking a strange thing isn't it! ;-)

Same for me too! #ukedchat

nicoladarling78 20:30 @Stephen_Logan Couldn't agree more! So many things feel rushed

when just a little more time could make them work well! #ukedchatnickotkdIV 20:30

RT @ICTwitz: Should teachers/schools offer more flexible school

timings? #Ukedchat

TaffTykeC 20:30 @nicoladarling78 @dailydenouement How do you get to do this sort

of stuff? Wish it was a given opportunity in the profession #ukedchat

Jon_Torbitt 20:30

.@s_armitage @oldandrewuk one skill - learning and applying

fundamentals to changing situations - vital in private sector business

#ukedchat

ukedchat 20:30

Half way through #ukedchat this week @mrlockyer "Given the

chance, what would you keep, change, adjust or improve in our Edu

system, & why?"

ICTwitz 20:30Should teachers/schools offer more flexible school timings?

#Ukedchat

eslweb 20:30 I think taking the politicians out of education like the Bank of England

sets rates independently...Not for short term gain #ukedchat

PeterAllen1 20:30 I agree with making the learning cross curricular but as long as it is

done the right way in the children's best interest #ukedchat

GeographyCarrie 20:30 @dailydenouement I got to spend a mere two weeks in Poland formy pgce and it was immensely useful #ukedchat

lizdudley 20:30@nicoladarling78 Unfortunately I'm only part time so still have time

to dabble in my own time, #Ukedchat

mrlockyer 20:30

#ukedchat So, practically no-one seems to like OFSTED and the

current (2/8/2012) inspection system. Why not? What is a better

replacement?

danielharvey9 20:30

@Stephen_Logan: Whatever changes made, TIME to see it

through. Always constant change after change. #ukedchatsame as

it ever was

mrlockyer 20:30 @oldandrewuk @AnnMroz Hello! Did you see the 'please keep it

friendly' bit at the start? MASSIVE SMILEY FACE #ukedchat

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CanonsOPP 20:31 @mrlockyer School-to-school support with sufficient rigour and full

trained HMI moderation of decisions. #Ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:31@CanonsOPP #ukedchat So, if democracy is not 100% responsive it

should be abolished?

GeographyCarrie 20:31 #ukedchat every school should have a fully funded breakfast club...Get children started well for a day of learning

eslweb 20:31

@ICTwitz @nickotkdIV I think there's advantages to offering some

students less time at school whilst others can add

enrichments.#ukedchat

Jon_Torbitt 20:31@oldandrewuk @s_armitage Not sure where the hobbies bit comes

into it -prepare them for FE/HE/employment. ECM > economic

wellbeing #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:31

RT @CanonsOPP: #Ukedchat I'd like to see a change in how

education is led, with politicians deferring to education specialistsfrom time to time.

Monty_Math 20:31

@Jon_Torbitt I don't think we can force people to change but

hopefully can convince armed with best arguments & research

#ukedchat

pollytodd 20:31



#ukedchat #edchat

Jon_Torbitt 20:32.@MrsThorne @lizdudley some sort of name/shame without

compromising libel laws perhaps!? #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:32@CanonsOPP #ukedchat Yes you did. You asked that elected

politicians defer to unelected "specialists".


@cherrylkd @GeographyCarrie @nickotkdIV @ethinking Ha, I'm

always right ;) Seriously I think some see this as another task to do

#ukedchat

TaffTykeC 20:32

@marc_faulder @brynll @primaryteachict @project_hero Sport,

especially this yr with Olympics, is a great platform to build on!

#ukedchat

MrsThorne 20:32@Jon_Torbitt @lizdudley yes, yes, yes - the rip off suppliers make me

want to weep! #ukedchat

HilaryNunns 20:32

@jon_torbitt too right! Pointless CPD time is the same as drinking

water in a champagne bar #ukedchat

eslweb 20:32 The biggest change I would make to schools is simple. 3 square meals

a day. No charge and no questions asked. #ukedchat

s_armitage 20:32

@Jon_Torbitt @oldandrewuk I agree. Importance of stepping outside

our subject is vital. BUT Doesn't mean throwing subject out

#ukedchat

Jon_Torbitt 20:32

@Monty_Math Sadly not going to happen - money / lobbying will

make most difference, followed by repeated successes and shouting

it #ukedchat

ClareBrunet 20:32RT @Monty_Math: Okay - first up would remove gradings fromlesson observations - no evidence to show they improve teaching

#ukedchat

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mrlockyer 20:33 RT @eslweb: The biggest change I would make to schools is simple. 3

square meals a day. No charge and no questions asked. #ukedchat

brynll 20:33 @TaffTykeC @mrlockyer Sand tray at BPPS FS converted to beach

volleyball court? #smallworldplay #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:33@Jon_Torbitt @s_armitage #ukedchat That's not the same thing.

ukedchat 20:33 Please remember to include the #ukedchat hash-tag in your tweets

during the session ;-D http://t.co/z9mg582d

DidgeH 20:33

RT @nickotkdIV: RT @ShaunGosney: @ukedchat need to change the

Y1 phonics test. Shouldn't tell a 6 year old that they have failed!

#ukedchat

CapitaTeachers 20:33

RT @ukedchat: Half way through #ukedchat this week @mrlockyer

"Given the chance, what would you keep, change, adjust or improve

in our Edu system, & why?"

Anniegottago 20:33



my career #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:34 @AnnMroz #ukedchat Where and when?

cherrylkd 20:34

@mrlockyer #ukedchat Ofsted should be supportive and be there for

good of pupils' education. It was never meant to be judgemental or

harmful

Jon_Torbitt 20:34 .@HilaryNunns not as healthy! Let's hear it for sleeping and marking

in whole-school INSET! #ukedchat you know you've all considered it!

MrG_ICT 20:34

@jon_torbitt #lot of research re hothousing for SATs etc. Agree

research takes long time but rather take time & make right decis

#ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:34@CanonsOPP #ukedchat Some denominations have firmer traditions.

mrlockyer 20:34 RT @HilaryNunns: @jon_torbitt too right! Pointless CPD time is the

same as drinking water in a champagne bar #ukedchat

eslweb 20:34 @oldandrewuk @CanonsOPP Perhaps take it to the other extreme

and make heads elected like Sheriffs in the US. #ukedchat

Jon_Torbitt 20:35 @eslweb @oldandrewuk @canonsopp does elected heads not favour

those who can afford to campaign though (same people)? #ukedchat

mrlockyer 20:35RT @cherrylkd: @mrlockyer #ukedchat Ofsted should be supportive

and be there for good of pupils' education. It was never meant to be

judgemental or harmful

oldandrewuk 20:35 @s_armitage @Jon_Torbitt #ukedchat "Skills" is the biggest excuse

for dumbing-down ever. Just the absolute worst.

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TaffTykeC 20:35 @nicoladarling78 @dailydenouement I suppose this idea will be a

long way off now with cut backs :( #ukedchat #shame

ethinking 20:35 #ukedchat @plestered @ukedchat Finland is full of Finnish people

doing it the Finnish way - it won't travel here #bobsledjamaican

StarLesson 20:35RT @CanonsOPP: #Ukedchat I'd like to see a change in howeducation is led, with politicians deferring to education specialists

from time to time.

danielharvey9 20:35@PeterAllen1 #ukedchat v hard to do well and in a meaningful way.

Though having 2 cracks at it next year.

nicoladarling78 20:36RT @MrG_ICT: #ukedchat Would like staff meetings where we talk

about children and not OFSTED.

TaffTykeC 20:36

@brynll @mrlockyer As I work there and I am keen...watch this

space! We do have big sandpits actually #Bradfordvolleyball #FS

#ukedchat

Jon_Torbitt 20:36@oldandrewuk @s_armitage Partially agree - can teach mentallytough skills but fail to see how multi-side A4 reports test skills

#ukedchat

danielharvey9 20:36 I think taking the politicians out of education like the BoE sets rates

independently.Not for short term gain #ukedchat this should happen

PeterAllen1 20:36

Make Ofsted more of a professional development tool. Less pressure

on inspection, more consistent approach to developing schools

#ukedchat

MichelleDhillon 20:36 Should there be 24 hour schooling? Bit like Asda but way more fun!

'Softly' encourage kids to learn/work around the clock :) #ukedchat

ethinking 20:36#ukedchat @planetchampion @ictwitz @dailydenouement I was

being sarcastic

MrG_ICT 20:36#ukedchat Would like staff meetings where we talk about children

and not OFSTED.

oldandrewuk 20:36

RT @mrlockyer: @oldandrewuk @AnnMroz Hello! Did you see the

'please keep it friendly' bit at the start? MASSIVE SMILEY FACE

#ukedchat

BryanPHarrison 20:36

RT @eslweb The biggest change I would make to schools is simple. 3

square meals a day. No charge. No questions asked. #ukedchat ->

Bang on!

MissBex_M 20:36RT @cherrylkd: @mrlockyer #ukedchat Ofsted should be supportive



CanonsOPP 20:36

@eslweb @oldandrewuk Definitely not for me. US system of sheriffs

awfully abused. Depoliticise education not politicise educators.

#Ukedchat

PeterAllen1 20:37@danielharvey9 Very hard to do well but definitely worth it when

you crack it! #ukedchat

Jacqhutch 20:37RT @dailydenouement: #ukedchat I'd like there to be more of a focuson decent careers advice, tailored to pupils. Let's really prepare them

for post-edu life.

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Jon_Torbitt 20:37 @Anniegottago @hilarynunns You don't MAKE them do anything.

Without volunteer/selfless atmosphere yo've already lost #ukedchat

rashush2 20:37@oldandrewuk I ALWAYS smile when you're here!! :-) #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:37 @Jon_Torbitt @s_armitage #ukedchat No such skill.

rhythminside 20:37RT @cherrylkd: @mrlockyer #ukedchat Ofsted should be supportive



PositiveCarol 20:37

#Ukedchat accept that mainstream school doesnt work universally

and that some kids learn more effectively with more flexible

approach

MissBex_M 20:37@ICTwitz this is an interesting question - what reasons would Govt

'allow' for changes? #ukedchat

eslweb 20:37

@CanonsOPP @oldandrewuk This all depends on WHO is doing the

electing. Imagine if it were the teachers that decided or theparents.#ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:37

@mrlockyer @AnnMroz That better not be aimed at me for

suggesting that accusing thousands of schools of intolerance is

ignorant #ukedchat

CanonsOPP 20:37@oldandrewuk Pretty sure most of them have firm traditions. Not

talking sects or cults here. #Ukedchat

davoloid 20:37 @MichelleDhillon I'd say it only needs a light touch, and could be part

of crossover between ICT and personal rels (PHSE?) #ukedchat

rashush2 20:37@mrlockyer Ofsted should contain the means for improvement not

just judgment #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:38

@Jon_Torbitt @s_armitage #ukedchat Computer games are a hobby.

They are clearly less important than the whole of maths & physics

combined.

GeographyCarrie 20:38 @MrG_ICT: #ukedchat Would like staff meetings where we talk

about children and not OFSTED.


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AnnMroz 20:38@mrlockyer @oldandrewuk I would like to have an adult debate

without smiley faces, thanks #ukedchat

GeographyCarrie 20:38 @BryanPHarrison @eslweb yes, totally agree... Just tweeted myself

about breakfast, but this would be even better! #ukedchat

CanonsOPP 20:39

@eslweb @oldandrewuk Any franchise would vote for selves not for

schools if for Heads. Perhaps more broad representation though.#Ukedchat

cristinataboada 20:39 RT @HilaryNunns: @jon_torbitt too right! Pointless CPD time is the

same as drinking water in a champagne bar #ukedchat

Jon_Torbitt 20:39

@oldandrewuk @s_armitage Computer games = multi-bn

domestic industry with unique IP. Show me another subject that

provides that #ukedchat

eslweb 20:39

#ukedchat Computer games are a hobby. They are clearly MUCH

MORE important than the whole of maths & physics combined. It's

how I got my job

ICTwitz 20:39 This article in the @GuardianEdu got me thinking about traditional

school opening times #ukedchat http://t.co/BZHtJGUk

icpjones 20:39 @MissBex_M #ukedchat If it worked out cheaper...

ethinking 20:39 #ukedchat @mrlockyer @oldandrewuk @annmroz how does one set

about banning a tweeter from a hash tag? Hmmmm #Canute?

oldandrewuk 20:39 @Jon_Torbitt @s_armitage #ukedchat And justifying something

because it features in ECM is worse than justifying it from hobbies.

Monty_Math 20:39 Would also like standard resp to q. Where is your evidence? To be

wheeling out child and sitting them in front of questioner #ukedchat

MichelleDhillon 20:40 @davoloid Beauty is it could also cross media, english, sports. If

learner sees it as more relevant to them the field is wider #ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:40 #ukedchat make sure if staff are being paid / given time / TLR for

responsibilities that they are actually carrying them out effectively!

AnnMroz 20:40

@oldandrewuk Why? Does the place and era invalidate my

experience? #ukedchat

benniekara 20:40

RT @cherrylkd: @benniekara #ukedchat Spot on! As teacher mentors

we give so much time 2 it, should be accredited course. Remove

those who don't want 2do it

ICTwitz 20:40@danielharvey9 Estelle Morris? But she was a teacher in a previous

life!!! #Ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:40@Jon_Torbitt @s_armitage #ukedchat Combining subjects.

SwayGrantham 20:40

@Jon_Torbitt if that's so how does performance management work?

Some teachers need to be told they have to or they won't do it...

#ukedchat

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Anniegottago 20:40 @Jon_Torbitt @hilarynunns there is an inertia that starts with

'making' and then ends with pleasant surprise... #ukedchat

ethinking 20:40#ukedchat @BryanPHarrison @eslweb you can't feed a school. It's a

building. Inanimate #fact

cherrylkd 20:40 @MrG_ICT: #ukedchat Would like staff meetings where we talkabout children and not OFSTED.> Is there such a thing?!

Ann_Litchfield 20:40RT @cherrylkd: @mrlockyer #ukedchat Ofsted should be supportive



davoloid 20:41

@oldandrewuk They are a way into maths & physics problems if

written well. Besides, a lot of research into "gamification" now.

#ukedchat

PeterAllen1 20:41 @PositiveCarol I agree, some children just aren't able to work withina mainstream school. Some children need more attention #ukedchat

MissBex_M 20:41 RT @ClasswatchUK: Do you think you could improve your teaching

skills by watching yourself back on video? #UKEduchat #UKedchat

PositiveCarol 20:41

More person centred approach rather than assume children will learn

in "batches" sorted by age rather than development & ability

#Ukedchat

nickotkdIV 20:41#ukedchat Do you think unqualified teachers should be allowed to

teach?

s_armitage 20:41 @oldandrewuk @Jon_Torbitt sorry... disagree. It is THE skill that

employs require. Consider entrepreneurial needs? #ukedchat

MissBex_M 20:41@icpjones haha, ur so right. If its cheaper they'll do it #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:41@eslweb @CanonsOPP #ukedchat I'd definitely prefer that.

Democracy is better than bureaucracy.

ClasswatchUK 20:41 Do you think you could improve your teaching skills by watching

yourself back on video? #UKEduchat #UKedchat

Jon_Torbitt 20:41

.@oldandrewuk @s_armitage comp games = planning, analysis,

maths + physics + language skills (translating english into prog lang)#ukedchat

MissBex_M 20:42

@nickotkdIV I asked this yday/ day before - no I don't. Yes as cover

supervisors but not as full time employed classroom teachers

#ukedchat

ethinking 20:42

#ukedchat gaming isnt a subject. It's applied design & engineering-

imposs. without understnding disciplines @Jon_Torbitt

@oldandrewuk

lizdudley 20:42@nickotkdIV Argh.... Goes to bang head against the wall, please go

read my blog!!!! #Ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:42 @Jon_Torbitt @eslweb @CanonsOPP #ukedchat Winning

competitive elections actually takes a bit of skill and understanding.

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eslweb 20:42 @ClasswatchUK @MissBex_M Can and have. #ukedchat It's a very

useful exercise and easy to spot your own mistakes...

nickotkdIV 20:42 #ukedchat Is QTS important to all teachers?

MissBex_M 20:42RT @nickotkdIV: #ukedchat Do you think unqualified teachers should

be allowed to teach?

Jon_Torbitt 20:42@danielharvey9 @oldandrewuk @s_armitage Not sure i believedemocracy actually exists. all collar environments run by someone

#ukedchat

mrlockyer 20:42

#ukedchat So, magic wand time - what one thing would transform

your teaching? What (apart from Twitter obvs) would you

recommend for CPD?

oldandrewuk 20:43RT @rashush2: @oldandrewuk I ALWAYS smile when you're here!! :-)

#ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:43@CanonsOPP #ukedchat Some are happier with their traditions than

others.

MissBex_M 20:43RT @mrlockyer: #ukedchat So, magic wand time - what one thingwould transform your teaching? What (apart from Twitter obvs)

would you recommend for CPD?

TaffTykeC 20:43 Thoughts?? #ukedchat http://t.co/FS2jX8V8

MissBex_M 20:43RT @nickotkdIV: #ukedchat Is QTS important to all teachers?

MrsThorne 20:43 @PositiveCarol we've had a lot of success with learning mentors at

school, they do amazing work. Wish we had more #ukedchat

Jon_Torbitt 20:43@SwayGrantham then to be blunt, they're in the wrong place

#ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:43

@MichelleDhillon #ukedchat Maybe some mileage in that. Some ch

are not morning learners, do better later. I'm not taking night shift

tho!

oldandrewuk 20:43@CanonsOPP @eslweb #ukedchat "depoliticise" does just mean

"remove democracy".

ICTwitz 20:43@GeekPeter Are you advocating performance related pay?

#Ukedchat

CanonsOPP 20:44 @oldandrewuk All are happier with their own traditions than others.

They are exclusive clubs by nature. #Ukedchat

Jon_Torbitt 20:44@ethinking @oldandrewuk not teaching gaming, teachingconstruction. not necessarily games - could be APIs, networks (see

@OnLive) #ukedchat

Monty_Math 20:44Big thing to transform teaching - smaller class sizes #ukedchat

jamesdhobsonuk 20:44Education Ministers should be in post for a minimum of three years

(except Gove, who can go now) #ukedchat

MrG_ICT 20:44

#ukedchat Would like to see CPD adopt Teachmeet format. Hate

spending time at one day training that could be summed up in 5 mins

(at most)

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SurrealAnarchy 20:44RT @oldandrewuk: @AnnMroz #ukedchat Only places with ideals

that predate the progressive tradition of the early 20th century which

are the dominant paradigm.

Ann_Litchfield 20:44RT @MrG_ICT: #ukedchat Take politics out of education. Then we

change ed based on research and experienc not on political whim.Run by panel of edu prof

MrsFfriedland 20:44

@SwayGrantham @Jon_Torbitt #ukedchat I taught before obs and

perf. man. It has made no difference whatsoever except paperwork

and iritation


@davoloid School's Out For Summer but @Rockhaq is example of

music/media/english & social networking education/experience fyi

#ukedchat

CanonsOPP 20:44

@oldandrewuk @jon_torbitt @eslweb That'll be why we have such a

thriving independent group within Parliament and Town Halls.

#Ukedchat

lizdudley 20:44

@nickotkdIV having QTS doesn't magically make you a brilliant

teacher, there are many out there that don't have it and are great

#Ukedchat

eslweb 20:44 @MissBex_M @classwatchuk Yeah, its great to spot those little

mannerisms and also your classroom coverage... #ukedchat

MissBex_M 20:44 @nickotkdIV completely agree!! #ukedchat

Monty_Math 20:45 Other thing for me personally is I feel I need a personal secretary so I

can actually concentrate on teaching #ukedchat

mrlockyer 20:45RT @MrsFfriedland: @SwayGrantham @Jon_Torbitt #ukedchat I

taught before obs and perf. man. It has made no difference

whatsoever except paperwork and iritation

oldandrewuk 20:45 @Jon_Torbitt @s_armitage #ukedchat Because most vocational

subjects are worthless and dumbed-down beyond belief?

PeterAllen1 20:45 @ClasswatchUK definitely! It enables teachers to identify aspects of

their teaching that is maybe highlighted by SMT #ukedchat

HilaryNunns 20:45@anniegottago @jon_torbitt #ukedchat relevance of CPD issubjective but common themes affect us all

rashush2 20:45 @TaffTykeC Ask parents of any elite athlete how much they've spent

on their kid's sport... kit, clothes, travel, tours. #ukedchat

lizdudley 20:45 Magic wand time; give teachers time to get out into other schools/

classes to share good practice, best CPD ever #Ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:45

@s_armitage #ukedchat At degree level. At school level it just means

reducing the demands of individual subjects so as to fit them

together.

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nicoladarling78 20:45 @nickotkdIV #2 ...the profession. There surely has to be another way

so that teachers still retain professionalism. #ukedchat

davoloid 20:46

RT @MichelleDhillon: Schools Out 4 Summer but @Rockhaq is

example of music/media/english & social networking

education/experience #ukedchat

nicoladarling78 20:46 RT @jamesdhobsonuk: Education Ministers should be in post for a

minimum of three years (except Gove, who can go now) #ukedchat

Fatfonzi 20:46RT @oldandrewuk: @AnnMroz #ukedchat Only places with ideals

that predate the progressive tradition of the early 20th century which

are the dominant paradigm.

mrlockyer 20:46

RT @lizdudley: Magic wand time; give teachers time to get out into

other schools/ classes to share good practice, best CPD ever

#Ukedchat

Jon_Torbitt 20:46@SwayGrantham: @Jon_Torbitt I agree but it is more commonto force them to change than to sack themwhat % actually

change?? #ukedchat

SwayGrantham 20:46 @nickotkdIV no he doesn't have a gcse in English yet, you have to be

careful when picking for specific job #ukedchat

s_armitage 20:46@oldandrewuk depends how it is done. Not suggesting entire curric

become trans disciplinary. #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:46

RT @ethinking: #ukedchat @mrlockyer @oldandrewuk @annmroz

how does one set about banning a tweeter from a hash tag?

Hmmmm #Canute?


@cherrylkd Ha, I knew someone would say that :) Think it's

interesting to 'open the gates'. Def some kids love working later imo

#ukedchat

jamesdhobsonuk 20:46 @Monty_Math

mrlockyer 20:46

RT @MrG_ICT: #ukedchat Would like to see CPD adopt Teachmeet

format. Hate spending time at one day training that could be

summed up in 5 mins (at most)

Jon_Torbitt 20:46RT @MrsFfriedland: @SwayGrantham @Jon_Torbitt #ukedchat I

taught before obs and perf. man. It has made no difference

whatsoever except paperwork and iritation

nicoladarling78 20:47

RT @lizdudley: Magic wand time; give teachers time to get out into

other schools/ classes to share good practice, best CPD ever

#Ukedchat

rashush2 20:47 reduce paperwork to a legal maximum!! #ukedchat

Fatfonzi 20:47Bollox #ukedchat that means its Thursday. Simmer holiday and

Olympic confusion.

Jon_Torbitt 20:47@oldandrewuk @s_armitage IP = intellectual property. stuff we

make #ukedchat

SwayGrantham 20:47@MrsFfriedland so if a teacher didn't mark books you wouldn't

suggest forcing them? #ukedchat

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MrsThorne 20:47 I'd like time to do some real research to improve learning in my

classroom. Sick of always being on the back foot! #ukedchat


@mrlockyer I like practical cpd where I'm shown new ideas,

activities, techniques and have a chance to try and feedback

#ukedchat

Debsgf 20:47Teachers should be highly regarded Additional qualifications areneeded to be a Lawyer & Doctors. Unqualified diminishes respect.

#Ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:47@Jon_Torbitt @s_armitage #ukedchat Oh. I want them to be

smarter.

MissBex_M 20:47 RT @jamesdhobsonuk: Education Ministers should be in post for a


CanonsOPP 20:47 @lizdudley @nickotkdiv And those have 4 years to get it. If they're

good enough. So why get rid of it? #UkedchatFatfonzi 20:47

RT @rashush2: @oldandrewuk I ALWAYS smile when you're here!! :-)

#ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:47

@nickotkdIV: #ukedchat Do you think unqualified teachers

should be allowed to teach?> In FE maybe, but not in primary or

secondary. No!!!

Jon_Torbitt 20:47

@oldandrewuk @s_armitage not if they are correctly written. Can

be made harder than pretty much any 'short answer paper'

#ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:47 @Jon_Torbitt @s_armitage "IP"? #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:48 @Debsgf I think too many individuals, as well as politicians, have

helped diminish the status of the professions, sadly! #Ukedchat

eslweb 20:48 @cherrylkd @nickotkdIV I also think that getting QTS is a test of your

commitment to the profession. #ukedchat

rashush2 20:48@cherrylkd What about EYFS? I know plenty of TAs better than the

teachers... #ukedchat

PositiveCarol 20:48 @lizdudley l like the sound of "Magic wand time" sharing best

practice and ideas a very sound idea. #Ukedchat

lizdudley 20:48 @CanonsOPP read my blog post ;-) #UkedchatCanonsOPP 20:48 @oldandrewuk @eslweb No it doesn't. #Ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:48 @AnnMroz #ukedchat Obviously.

Jon_Torbitt 20:48 @oldandrewuk @s_armitage Don't need an exam paper to be

smarter. On that note - define 'smarter' #ukedchat

PeterAllen1 20:49 @PositiveCarol It also helps the parents. It allows the children to

focus on a structured and consistent school/home day #ukedchat


RT @MrG_ICT: #ukedchat Would like to see CPD adopt Teachmeet

format. Hate spending time at one day training that could besummed up in 5 mins (at most)

CanonsOPP 20:49 @nickotkdIV @lizdudley It already happens. #Ukedchat

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eslweb 20:49 RT @rashush2: Ed Minister needs to have less power - independent

professional body to set policy for long term #ukedchat

SwayGrantham 20:49

@lizdudley @nickotkdiv when getting qts you do have opportunities

for picking up knowledge though and more support like nqt year

#ukedchat

nickotkdIV 20:49 RT @eslweb: @cherrylkd @nickotkdIV I also think that getting QTS is

a test of your commitment to the profession. #ukedchat

mrlockyer 20:49RT @Fatfonzi: Bollox #ukedchat that means its Thursday. Simmer

holiday and Olympic confusion.

rashush2 20:49Ed Minister needs to have less power - independent professional

body to set policy for long term #ukedchat

Jon_Torbitt 20:49@MrsThorne your school improvement team/ rep should facilitate

this with cover etc? #ukedchat

CanonsOPP 20:49 @lizdudley Have done. Agreeing with you. #Ukedchat

StrictTeacher99 20:50 RT @lizdudley: Change Ofsted to be a supportive system, with real


ukedchat 20:50RT @terecatops: #ukedchat have a more nationally uniformed

approach

HilaryNunns 20:50 @jon_torbitt @anniegottago beats me! I never had CPD that I

wanted and paid for it myself eventually #ukedchat

CanonsOPP 20:50 @nickotkdIV @lizdudley But QTS is nothing other than a recognition

of those skills built through experience. #Ukedchat. It's not PGCE.

SwayGrantham 20:50 @Jon_Torbitt they do it if they told they have to - trouble is some

smt don't force them to its left unquestioned #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:50The poll for #ukedchat next week is now live at

http://t.co/7WAHFPy8

Ann_Litchfield 20:50 RT @jamesdhobsonuk: Education Ministers should be in post for a


oldandrewuk 20:50

@danielharvey9 @Jon_Torbitt @s_armitage #ukedchat It may not be

the political system of your dreams, but it's preferable to

dictatorship.

cherrylkd 20:50

@nickotkdIV #ukedchat QTS is vital. There is more 2 teaching than

subject knowledge. Need 2 now how ch learn, order 2 teach subj &

behaviour

lizdudley 20:50@CanonsOPP Phew, too tired here and multitasking, Olympics, wine

and ukedchat! #Ukedchat

nicoladarling78 20:50@Monty_Math That would be great. If you find where to get one

please tell me #ukedchat

Jon_Torbitt 20:51

@s_armitage sorry missed ur msg - yep having done pvt sec work +

now teaching, entrepreneurial attitude is vital to succeeding

#ukedchat

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BryanPHarrison 20:51 @ethinking I haven't run a school. Clearly I am a lecturer - by

definition I knw nothing abt teaching & kids #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:51

RT @plestered: #ukedchat agree, but how does constant changing of

direction ever help? Huge structural changes have rarely reap

benefits

rashush2 20:51 RT @lizdudley: Change Ofsted to be a supportive system, with real

teachers being seconded to be inspectors. #Ukedchat #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:51 @Jon_Torbitt @s_armitage #ukedchat So? Did we need some kind of

excuse for teaching maths+physics+languages etc?

Monty_Math 20:51 @SwayGrantham @mrsffriedland but q. Is does forcing really ever

create long term change in teachers performance? #ukedchat

StrictTeacher99 20:51 RT @dailydenouement: #ukedchat I'd be tempted to introduce anexchange-style scheme, so all teachers got to spend a year in a


SwayGrantham 20:51@nickotkdIV I agree but then that's not difficult in my case lol

#ukedchat

MrsThorne 20:51@Jon_Torbitt we had voluntary redundancies this year. There are no

hours to spare, for now at least #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:51 RT @ethinking: @plestered #ukedchat we have had consistent

overall direction for 30 years..only tinkered at the edges until now...

GeographyCarrie 20:51@Debsgf yes, I agree with this... And we've got enough bad press to

fight already #ukedchat

nickotkdIV 20:51RT @cherrylkd: @nickotkdIV #ukedchat QTS is vital. There is more 2

teaching than subject knowledge. Need 2 now how ch learn, order 2

teach subj & behaviour

cherrylkd 20:51@MichelleDhillon #ukedchat And some teachers to be fair are better

later in the day.

DJTom3 20:51RT @ukedchat: The poll for #ukedchat next week is now live at


mrlockyer 20:52

#ukedchat Okay, final thought. Given that if we were EdSec, we'd use

our experience and knowledge, what one thing has helped yourlearning?

cherrylkd 20:52 @rashush2 #ukedchat I agree. But can they plan SoW in correct

learning order and observe correctly. EYFS is slightly diff I admit

CanonsOPP 20:52 @nickotkdIV On one hand to assure quality. On another to ensure

teacher pay & conditions reflex our professional status. #Ukedchat

Jon_Torbitt 20:52

@HilaryNunns @anniegottago explains why i have so many

books/magazines/hrs on the sofa reading / learning all the time AT

HOME #ukedchat

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nickotkdIV 20:52RT @MrsFfriedland: @nickotkdIV #ukedchat non QTS are a real

threat to schools. They often don't understand their limitations or

the mistakes they make.

oldandrewuk 20:52@davoloid #ukedchat Again, we seem to be looking for a way in to

the important by connecting it to the trivial.

ukedchat 20:52RT @vausekatie: #ukedchat abolish the negative notion in schoolswhich judges other teachers. Schls should be supportive of learners &

staff

TheBenHorbury 20:52@ClasswatchUK yes you do massively! It's cringeworthy at first but

you improve so much! #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:52 @s_armitage @Jon_Torbitt #ukedchat None of that matters, if you

are talking about a skill that doesn't exist.

MrsFfriedland 20:52 @nickotkdIV #ukedchat non QTS are a real threat to schools. They

often don't understand their limitations or the mistakes they make.

S_Badejo 20:53

#ukedchat It should compulsory for teachers in FE to gain QTLS just

like there secondary counter parts have QTS. Maintains

professionalism.

oldandrewuk 20:53@Jon_Torbitt @danielharvey9 @s_armitage #ukedchat You may not

appreciate having a vote. I do.

EmmaAbuDhabi 20:53

@GeographyCarrie @mrg_ict I wish staff meetings were

conversations and not lectures, two-way traffic is surely better

#ukedchat

ukedchat 20:53

#ukedchat Okay, final thought. Given that if we were EdSec, we'd use

our experience and knowledge, what one thing has helped your

learning?

SwayGrantham 20:53 @HilaryNunns I feel the same about CPD opportunities - its awful

that we feel we should pay for ourselves #ukedchat

MichelleDhillon 20:53 @cherrylkd That seals it! 24 hour teaching ahoy! Shift working.

Online working too. Lots of cakes. What could go wrong? #ukedchat

s_armitage 20:53 @oldandrewuk @Jon_Torbitt you do post 16 unless you take the IB!

It is maintaining breadth post 16 that seems a key in this. #ukedchat

lizdudley 20:54@S_Badejo It is at the moment, although interim white paper mightbe revoking it... #Ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:54 @nickotkdIV #ukedchat Great minds etc.

DJTom3 20:54 #ukedchat - great to see it trending on twitter ukedchat

eslweb 20:54

If I was Edsec, I'd say that the good kids should be GIVEN the

opportunities and the bad kids sent to bootcamp in the Sahara.

#ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:54@MichelleDhillon #ukedchat Ha Ha. I'm coming to work with you!

TheBenHorbury 20:54

QTS gives us a benchmark, Just like dr's solicitors etc, constant

badgering of our profession has devalued it from the outside!#ukedchat

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SwayGrantham 20:54@nickotkdIV and if they're judged to be competent by their employer

that's their decision #ukedchat

rashush2 20:54how could we set up a GMC type body - would we need a govt

mandate or could we just do it? #ukedchat

nicoladarling78 20:54 @mrlockyer #twitter I've learnt SO much since I joined in discussions

on here and began #blogging with my class! #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:54

RT @ethinking: #ukedchat gaming isnt a subject. It's applied design

& engineering- imposs. without understnding disciplines

@Jon_Torbitt @oldandrewuk

Jon_Torbitt 20:54

@s_armitage @oldandrewuk never taught IB, sounds interesting.

Need recognition of practical work rather than learning answers

#ukedchat

davoloid 20:55

@oldandrewuk Not trivial: different, problem based approach with

targets. Wider than just schools - academia and business too.

#ukedchat

ethinking 20:55 #ukedchat @plestered @ukedchat damaged for ever? Like it is insuch robust health at the moment?

MartindalePaul 20:55

Just do it! :) MT @BryanPHarrison @eslweb The biggest change I

would make to schools is simple. 3 square meals a day. No charge.

#ukedchat

nickotkdIV 20:55RT @cherrylkd: @nickotkdIV #ukedchat Great minds etc.

oldandrewuk 20:55@CanonsOPP @Jon_Torbitt @eslweb #ukedchat Non sequitur there.

Jon_Torbitt 20:56 @HilaryNunns @anniegottago it does seem easier f2f - perhaps more

ad hoc conventions with time off from training budget? #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:56@CanonsOPP #ukedchat Have you met liberal Anglicans? Some of

them hate Christianity.

HilaryNunns 20:56@jon_torbitt @anniegottago can't share good practice and

anecdotes unless face to face tho #ukedchat

eslweb 20:56@S_J_Lancaster @ethinking @BryanPHarrison Ego exspectabat latina

#ukedchat

S_Badejo 20:57

#ukedchat In fact there should be some sort of uniformed "status"

across the board for all eduactional sectors. Afterall we are all

teachers

davoloid 20:57 @oldandrewuk Wikipedia article on Gamification explains better: to

encourage desired behaviours, guide through a subject. #ukedchat

Monty_Math 20:57

Biggest thg to help me: lning to respond to chn in my class and make

learning personal to them rthr than worrying abt my teaching

#ukedchat

CanonsOPP 20:57

@oldandrewuk @jon_torbitt @eslweb No it wasn't. If election

winning were about the things you said we would have a thriving...

#Ukedchat

MichelleDhillon 20:57RT @cherrylkd: @MichelleDhillon #ukedchat Ha Ha. I'm coming to

work with you!

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lizdudley 20:58 @S_Badejo Hear hear, why have different letters after our names,

Wolf already recognised that in her report this year. #Ukedchat

SwayGrantham 20:58@wendyJR same here, cost of external cover is expensive #ukedchat

MichelleDhillon 20:58 @cherrylkd @nickotkdIV Awesome! That will be the day! I think this24 hour learning concept is great actually. Born out of #ukedchat

rashush2 20:58Uniforms? Now that's a whole new discussion... #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:58All *relevant* links shared during this #ukedchat session has been

collected at http://t.co/XUB5jSQD

cherrylkd 20:58 @DJTom3 #ukedchat Excellent!

oldandrewuk 20:58

@Jon_Torbitt @s_armitage #ukedchat Hard to define without being

circular, but "exercising more of the intellectual virtues" might cover

it.

oldandrewuk 20:59 @AnnMroz #ukedchat Because I was talking about faith schools as

they are here and now, not elsewhere and decades ago.

oldandrewuk 20:59 @CanonsOPP @eslweb #ukedchat I'm afraid it does. That's the only

part of politics that can ever be removed.

ethinking 21:00 #ukedchat @Debsgf we have created our own disrespect.

http://t.co/GQ9yasuB. Teachers are their own worst enemies.

cherrylkd 21:00 @nickotkdIV @michelledhillon #ukedchat You don't have to do night

shift either Nick. It's a good concept being developed here.

MrsThorne 21:00 @mrlockyer thanks for tonight's #ukedchat - it's interesting to hear

what other educators would do with their magic wands :)

Hubbs05 21:00 #ukedchat our cpd is by pockets of staff who trial+adapt diff practices

then fed to all staff, great inhouse training and talent development

ukedchat 21:00 It's 9pm - HUGE thanks to @mrlockyer for hosting #ukedchat this

evening. The archive will soon be available at http://t.co/f9pp9HjW

mrlockyer 21:00 #ukedchat Many thanks all those who contributed tonight! Hopefully

some butterflies have been released in discussion tonight...

oldandrewuk 21:00@s_armitage @Jon_Torbitt #ukedchat First thing I mentioned in this

discussion was keeping A level.

Jon_Torbitt 21:01

MT @mrlockyer: #ukedchat if we were EdSec, what one thing

has helped your learning?Being treated like an adult & respected

for what i do

ukedchat 21:01The poll for next week's #ukedchat session is now open at


oldandrewuk 21:01 @Jon_Torbitt @danielharvey9 @s_armitage #ukedchat Then please

don't contradict yourself massively from tweet to tweet.

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lizdudley 21:01@mrlockyer thanks for hosting and keeping us on the straight and

narrow this evening! #Ukedchat

MrG_ICT 21:02 @emmaabudhabi Agree re staff meetings better when two-way

traffic. If lessons are a lecture would be unsatifactory #ukedchat

MichelleDhillon 21:02 Great #ukedchat tonight, so easy to get back into the chat after a fewweeks away! Thanks to @mrlockyer for hosting :)

deGency 21:02

RT @oldandrewuk #ukedchat What I'd get rid of: layers of

management, student voice at the expense of colleagues' ...

http://t.co/hWKRPV1w

cherrylkd 21:02@mrlockyer Thanks for a fab chat tonight. Excellent hosting, kept

everyone on track. Well done. #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 21:02@davoloid #ukedchat Problem based learning in schools doesn't

work effectively.

CanonsOPP 21:02

@oldandrewuk @eslweb No. Much of what is currently being done is

politicised and undemocratic. Our democracy is not so perfect.#Ukedchat

oldandrewuk 21:03@CanonsOPP @Jon_Torbitt @eslweb #ukedchat All I said was

winning a competitive election takes skill.

Jon_Torbitt 21:03 worried that am losing sight of why i tuned in to #ukedchat tonight.

Fairly disillusioned tonight. Maybe some olympic sprite will help!

cherrylkd 21:03@MichelleDhillon @nickotkdiv #ukedchat I'm with you! It's a brill

idea. I love it.

MrG_ICT 21:04 RT @cherrylkd: @mrlockyer Thanks for a fab chat tonight. Excellent

hosting, kept everyone on track. Well done. #ukedchat

Monty_Math 21:05

Thank you to @mrlockyer for hosting #ukedchat - if anyone would

like to apply for (unpaid) pos of monty's personal sec - please send

cvs

mrlockyer 21:06 #ukedchat Many thanks those who are sending me kind tweets re

hosting tonight. Didn't *quite* go as I expected it to....!

fi_meta_guide 21:06 #ethinking: ukedchat #plestered #ukedchat Finland is full of Finnish

people doing it the Finnish way - it won't travel here bobsledjamaican

nicoladarling78 21:07 @mrlockyer oooppps distracted by #olympics Thanks for hosting

#ukedchat tonight. Some interesting discussions.

nickotkdIV 21:10 RT @nicoladarling78: @mrlockyer oooppps distracted by #olympics

Thanks for hosting #ukedchat tonight. Some interesting discussions.

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