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1 REGIONAL PLANNING COMMISSION HEARING
2 COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES
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11 Wednesday, March 1, 2016, 6:00 p.m., at Rancho Pico
12 Junior High School, 26250 Valencia Boulevard,
13 Stevenson Ranch, California.
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19 Reported by: Dayna Michelle Glaysher
20 CSR Number 13079
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1 APPEARANCES:
2 Richard Claghorn, Staff
3 Sam Dea, Staff
4 Mitch Glaser, Assistant Administrator
5 Jill M. Jones, County Counsel
6 Ms. Shell, Commissioner
7 Mr. Modugno, Comissioner
8 Mr. Smith, Chair
9 Mr. Louie, Vice Chair
10 Vacant 4th District Chair
11 Bahman Hajialiakbar, Public Works
12 Rosie O. Ruiz, Commission Secretary
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14 Public Hearing Speakers:
15 1. Paul Rosenfeld
2. Joshua Rivers
16 3. Patsy Ayala
4. Taylor Criddle
17 5. Rudy Ortega
6. Alan Ferdman
18 7. Logan Smith
8. Lynne Plambeck
19 9. Richard Mathews
10. Reverend Peter Farriday
20 11. Jeff Preach
12. Kevin MacDonald
21 13. Marlon Roa
14. Kelly Stater
22 15. Curtis Woods
16. Patti Skinner Sulpizio
23 17. Sally White
18. Joe Phillips
24 19. Lloyd Carder
20. Carmillis Noltemeyer
25 21. Dave Bossert
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1 22. Mike Mohajer 23. Sandra Cattell
2 24. Armando Flores 25. Terri Harrah
3 26. Christopher Walters 27. Steve Lee
4 28. Victor Lindenheim 29. Ron Saldana
5 30. Lois Bauccio 31. Darrell Park
6 32. Scott Smith 33. Erica Larsen
7 34. DeAndre Valencia 35. Tanya Hauser
8 36. Flo Lawrence 37. Andre Hollings
9 38. Bonnie Nikolai 39. John White
10 40. Diane Trautman 41. David Menchaca
11 42. Andrew Taban 43. Nancy Oliver
12 44. Daniela Bolanos 45. Terri Knafla
13 46. Stacy Fortner 47. Barbara Myler
14 48. Teri Byrne 49. Shane Weeks
15 50. Jocelyn Bullock 51. Vanessa Brookman
16 52. Raul Isiordia 53. Christine Rangal
17 54. Eduardo Reyes 55. Bill Miranda
18 56. Richard Humanic 57. Dallas Dockray
19 58. Jeremiah Dockray 59. Abigail DeSesa
20 60. Susan Evans 61. Nathan Bousfield
21 62. Nancy Carder 63. Lisa Loch
22 64. Nanette Meister 65. Bryan Caforio
23 66. Chris Clarke 67. Sara Sage
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1 Stevenson Ranch, California, Wednesday, March 1, 2016
2 6:00 p.m. - 9:50 p.m.
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5 MR. SMITH: Good evening everyone. Welcome.
6 I'd like to call this meeting to order of the Los
7 Angeles County Regional Planning Commission. Today is
8 Wednesday, March 1st, 2017, and we are very happy to be
9 here at Rancho Pico Junior High this evening. I'd like
10 to begin with the Pledge of Allegiance. If I could ask
11 Commissioner Modugno to please lead us.
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13 (Pledge of Allegiance.)
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15 Thank you everyone. And I know that we have
16 folks still coming in so if you could try to quietly
17 find a seat, we can get going. We have -- we want to
18 hear from everyone tonight and get this underway. So
19 first of all, thank you to everyone for being here.
20 We're excited to be out here and appreciate
21 each and every one of you taking the time to come out
22 and help us think through this very important issue and
23 to share your perspective and your expertise. So thank
24 you very much for being here. Even though we are in a
25 new setting tonight, we follow the same procedures for a
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1 public hearing.
2 And so I just want to give everyone a quick
3 overview of how the evening is going to play out before
4 we get started. So there are agendas for today's
5 proceedings -- tonight's proceedings located in the back
6 of the room and we also have speaker cards. So if you
7 plan to speak tonight, please fill out a comment card.
8 And we have staff in the back that can assist you with
9 that.
10 We also have Spanish translation available
11 this evening. Headsets are available to any members of
12 the public who would like to listen to the live Spanish
13 translation of the hearing. Any members of the public
14 wishing to testify in Spanish may do so by noting on the
15 speaker card that you wish to testify in Spanish.
16 In addition, a translator is available to
17 translate Spanish testimony into English. And
18 additional time will be allotted for the translation of
19 Spanish testimony into English for the speaker. So a
20 quick overview of how the proceedings will occur. We're
21 going to start when we get to the main item on our
22 agenda.
23 We're going to start with a presentation
24 from staff, and after that we'll hear from the applicant
25 who will have up to 15 minutes to present the project.
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1 Then we're going to open it up to public comment, hear
2 from everyone who wishes to speak this evening. And
3 there are many of us which is very exciting. But in
4 order to make sure that we give everyone an opportunity
5 to speak we're going to have 90 seconds, a minute and a
6 half for public comment. Okay. One and a half minutes.
7 And if you are giving testimony in Spanish
8 we're going to have a translation available for that
9 testimony, and we'll double the time to account for the
10 translation. After public comment then we invite the
11 applicant back up and they have a ten minute rebuttal
12 time to address the questions or concerns that were
13 raised and that we heard during comment.
14 Then I imagine the commissioners may have
15 many additional questions for staff or the applicant
16 based on the testimony that we hear. So we'll go
17 through that as time allows. I also want to note -- oh,
18 I'm told that the timer does not do 90 seconds so we
19 will have to do two minutes. We're going to do two
20 minutes for public comment.
21 Technology. So we'll have two minutes, four
22 minutes if you're providing testimony in Spanish to
23 account for the translation. I would encourage
24 everyone -- you know, we want to hear from you. You
25 don't need to take the full two minutes if somebody else
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1 has very eloquently made your comment. Feel free to
2 co-sign or speak to some -- another point. But we're
3 going to limit it to two minutes.
4 I do want to note before we get started that
5 a representative of the Solid Waste Management Program
6 Local Enforcement Agency from the LA County Department
7 of Public Health is present at tonight's hearing and is
8 available to respond to relevant questions regarding
9 solid waste facilities, permitting specifications for
10 the project either from the Commission or from the
11 public at this hearing.
12 So with that I think that covers our
13 administrative items. Again, please be sure to fill out
14 a comment card if you wish to speak tonight. And we
15 look forward to hearing from everyone and addressing
16 this important issue. So with that I'm going to move
17 into our agenda. Again this is the pink agenda, if you
18 picked up a copy in the back.
19 We've done the pledge. We've made some
20 announcements. So we're going to move to approval of
21 the agenda.
22 Do I have a motion?
23 MS. JONES: So moved.
24 MR. MODUGNO: Second.
25 MR. SMITH: Motion and second. All in
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1 favor?
2 MS. SHELL: I.
3 MR. LOUIE: I.
4 MR. SMITH: Great. Agenda has been
5 approved.
6 County counsel, do we have any reports this
7 evening?
8 MS. JONES: No reports.
9 MR. SMITH: Thank you. Deputy director, any
10 reports?
11 MR. GLASER: No reports.
12 MR. SMITH: Excellent. So that brings us to
13 the reason we're all here. This is item No. 5 on our
14 agenda, Project No. R2004-00559.
15 With that, I would like to invite staff to
16 begin their presentation. And just a quick heads up, in
17 order for us to view this presentation the commissioners
18 are going to have a seat in this first row during the
19 presentation.
20 MR. CLAGHORN: Good evening, Commissioners.
21 My name is Richard Claghorn with the Zoning Permits
22 North Section of the Department of Regional Planning.
23 The matter before you tonight is the Conditional Use
24 Permit for the continued operation and expansion of
25 Chiquita Canyon Landfill (CUP 200400042), the related
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1 Oak Tree Permit (OTP 201500007) and the Environmental
2 Impact Report (EIR) for the project.
3 The project is located in the unincorporated
4 community of the Santa Clarita Valley, within the
5 Castaic Area Community Standards District. A
6 supplemental hearing package has been provided to you
7 today for this hearing which includes an updated letter
8 from the Fire Department, additional correspondence, and
9 some changes to the draft Conditions of Approval.
10 The project's -- the Project Site is located
11 at 29201 Henry Mayo Drive, approximately three miles
12 west of the 5 freeway on State Route 126, and 33 miles
13 northwest of downtown Los Angeles. The subject site is
14 zoned A-2-2 and A-2-5 (Heavy Agricultural) and the Santa
15 Clarita Valley Area Plan designation is P-CS - Community
16 Serving.
17 The applicant, Chiquita Canyon Landfill, is
18 requesting a Conditional Use Permit (CUP) for the
19 continued use and expansion of an existing Class 3
20 landfill. Landfills are allowed in the A-2 zone with a
21 CUP. The project includes the removal of four oak
22 trees, which requires an Oak Tree Permit.
23 The County has determined that an
24 Environmental Impact Report (EIR) is required for the
25 project. The Draft EIR was released on July 10th, 2014
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1 and a Hearing Examiner Hearing was held on July 31st,
2 2014. The public comment period for the DEIR ended on
3 October 23rd, 2014 after being extended.
4 Six chapters of the EIR were modified and
5 recirculated on November 9th, 2016. A Hearing Examiner
6 Hearing was held at West Ranch High School on
7 December 15th, 2016 for the recirculated chapters of the
8 Draft EIR for the project. The public comment period
9 for the PRDEIR ended on January 9th, 2017.
10 Existing and proposed land use is a Class 3
11 Landfill. Surrounding land uses consist of vacant land,
12 agricultural uses, single family residences, and
13 industrial buildings.
14 Surrounding zoning includes industrially
15 zoned land to the west and north, The Newhall Ranch
16 Specific Plan to the south and west, single-family
17 residential zoning to the northwest, where the community
18 of Val Verde is located.
19 Given the nature of the application, as part
20 of the County's staff presentation, a representative of
21 the County's Department of Public Works, Environmental
22 Programs Division will provide an overview of the
23 landfills in Los Angeles County and how Chiquita Canyon
24 Landfill fits into the County's waste disposal picture.
25 I will now turn the presentation to
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1 Bahman Hajialiakbar.
2 MR. HAJIALIAKBAR: Thank you. Good evening
3 everyone. My name is Bahman Hajialiakbar, Principal
4 Engineer with the Los Angeles County Department of
5 Public Works Environmental Programs Division.
6 First slide we are going to cover is the
7 overview. My presentation will cover a few things.
8 First, I'll provide an overview of the Public Works'
9 role in solid waste management. Then I'll talk about
10 where we are today in terms of where all the waste we
11 produce is going, and the current capacity of major
12 landfills in Los Angeles County.
13 Next, I'll highlight some of the laws and
14 regulations, including recently enacted bills that
15 impact the way solid waste is managed and the amount of
16 waste in need of disposal. And finally, I'll summarize
17 the County's long-term strategies in ensuring adequate
18 disposal capacity to meet the long-term needs of
19 residents and businesses throughout the County.
20 So Public Works is the lead agency
21 responsible for advising the Board of Supervisors on
22 waste management issues. Under state law, the County is
23 responsible for implementing waste reduction programs
24 for the unincorporated County areas and we manage
25 several countywide waste reduction programs.
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1 State law also makes continued responsible
2 to plan for a minimum of 15 years of countywide disposal
3 capacity. Public Works administers the Countywide
4 Siting Element (which I will cover later), which is the
5 County's long-term plan to provide for the disposal
6 needs of its residents and businesses.
7 Public Works manages waste collection and
8 recycling services for 1 million unincorporated area
9 residents and nearly 20,000 businesses, and we also
10 assist and provide technical advice to Regional Planning
11 with the permitting of solid waste facilities in
12 unincorporated areas. So where we are today is how much
13 trash do residents and businesses in the 88 cities and
14 County unincorporated communities generate?
15 Each year we generate about 27 million tons
16 of solid waste, of which 18 million tons are diverted
17 from disposal (through recycling, composting and
18 beneficial use), and 9 million tons are disposed of at
19 landfills and waste-to-energy facilities located within
20 the -- within and outside LA County.
21 The estimated remaining permitted disposal
22 capacity in the County is 114 million tons, which is
23 equivalent to about 13 years of capacity at the current
24 Countywide disposal rate. In part because of the great
25 recession and very aggressive recycling efforts by the
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1 County, other local governments and the State, the
2 amount of waste in need of disposal remains relatively
3 low, which has helped maintain a competitive solid waste
4 disposal system which results in an overall disposal
5 rate.
6 The County and other governments, local
7 governments will continue and likely expand their waste
8 recycling and diversion efforts, through their own
9 initiatives (just like the County's roadmap) and in
10 response to new State laws which I will discuss in more
11 detail later in my presentation.
12 Also, the County will continue in supporting
13 legislation and promoting the conversion technology
14 facilities and other alternatives to landfill disposal.
15 This chart shows the remaining six major landfills in
16 the County and their permitted daily capacity and annual
17 tonnage. Their average daily disposal tonnage based
18 on -- is based on 2015 figures.
19 As you can see, the average daily tonnages
20 are below the permitted daily capacities so -- and it is
21 because of market conditions and other factors. As I
22 mentioned earlier, the slowdown in the economy and
23 aggressive recycling efforts by local governments have
24 contributed to a competitive disposal system, and thus
25 we see in-County landfills operating below their
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1 permitted daily limits.
2 This is also due to a significant amount of
3 waste being exported to landfills outside of LA County,
4 which helps to extend the life of in-County landfill
5 capacity. Public Works continually tracks changes in
6 state laws and regulations that impact solid waste
7 management and adjusts its planning accordingly.
8 Key laws that impact current planning
9 include The California Integrated Waste Management Act
10 of 1989, also known as AB 939, which require
11 jurisdictions to divert 50% of all solid waste from
12 landfill disposal or transformation by the year 2000,
13 through source reduction, recycling and composting
14 activities.
15 Assembly Bill 341, which adopted a Statewide
16 goal of managing by 2020, 75% of the waste generated in
17 the State through source reduction, recycling, and
18 composting, and establishes Mandatory Commercial
19 Recycling requirements. Assembly Bill 1826, which
20 imposes Mandatory Commercial Organics Recycling and
21 requires a business that generates a specified amount of
22 organic waste per week to arrange for recycling services
23 (for that organic waste) in a specified manner.
24 This law also introduces a statewide organic
25 waste disposal reduction target of 50% compared to the
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1 level of disposal during 2014 by 2020. Assembly Bill
2 876, also known as the Compostable Organics Law,
3 requires counties and regional agencies to include in
4 the annual report to State the following information:
5 Organic waste generated over 15 years, organic waste
6 recycling facility capacity needed to process that
7 waste, and the locations for new or expanded facilities.
8 Senate Bill 1383, also known as the
9 Short-Lived Climate Pollutants law, establishes
10 milestones to reduce landfill disposal of organics (both
11 applicable to residential and commercial): A 50%
12 reduction in the level of statewide organic waste from
13 the 2014 level by 2020, and a 75% reduction in the level
14 of statewide disposal of organic waste from 2014 by
15 2025.
16 So what is the Siting Element? It's a
17 Countywide planning document that describes how the
18 County (including the 88 cities) plan to manage the
19 disposal of their solid waste over the next 15 years.
20 It establishes goals and policies related to solid waste
21 management (such as extended producer responsibility,
22 conversion technology, and preserving landfill
23 capacity).
24 Also, it establishes criteria for Siting
25 disposal facilities, such as landfill (including
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1 criteria to protect residents; air quality; and
2 environmentally sensitive areas). Each year Public
3 Works updates and submits its projections of waste
4 generation, disposal, and remaining permitted disposal
5 capacity to the State to ensure the long-term viability
6 of our solid waste disposal system.
7 So this is one of the first scenarios for
8 the Siting Element that we -- I mentioned earlier.
9 There are various scenarios contained in the Siting
10 Element annual report that we prepare each year to
11 assess where we are and our ability to maintain adequate
12 solid waste disposal capacity for the next 15 years. I
13 will discuss three of these scenarios.
14 These scenarios take into account the impact
15 of new state legislation and its effect on diversion
16 rates. This scenario looks at whether LA County has
17 enough disposal capacity within the County to meet its
18 needs for the next 15 years. And therefore this
19 scenario relies on existing permitted in-County disposal
20 capacity only. As you can see, there will be
21 insufficient in-County disposal capacity to meet our
22 long-term needs.
23 As shown on the graph, a sudden drop --
24 let's see. We're talking about this drop here. The
25 sudden drop -- a sudden drop in the in-County Class 3
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1 landfill capacity in 2018. This scenario presumes that
2 Chiquita Canyon Landfill will not be granted a permit.
3 However, there are other scenarios that Chiquita Canyon
4 Landfill is granted a permit (which I will cover later
5 on).
6 The second scenario I'll discuss is the
7 Status-Quo Scenario. It assumes the following:
8 Diversion rate would increase to 75% by 2020 and
9 continue thereafter. Continued operation of the waste
10 to energy facility and -- however, no additional
11 Alternative Technology facility would be operational
12 through the planning period.
13 Exports are estimated at 15,000 tons per day
14 and would continue at that level. Meaning, the
15 Sanitation Districts' waste-by-rail would not become
16 operational. As the graph shows, the scenario would
17 rely on current permitted in-County landfill capacity
18 (that means no landfill expansion will take place). But
19 if it is coupled with a level of waste exports higher
20 than that experienced in 2015, that may be sufficient in
21 meeting the County's needs for the next 15 years.
22 The actual amount of waste exported may go
23 up or it may go down. There is no guarantee that the
24 facilities that are currently accepting our waste will
25 continue to do so in the future. If the County is
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1 perceived to be closing its landfill, disposal capacity
2 will become difficult as other jurisdictions would
3 likely impose restrictions on their landfills.
4 Okay. Under this scenario, all solid waste
5 management options would become available, such as
6 diversion rate of 75% by 2020 and after, in-County
7 landfill expansions as presumed to be granted as
8 proposed, provided that these sites are found to be
9 environmentally safe, technically feasible, alternative
10 technology facilities become operational.
11 Out-of-County landfill capacity would
12 continue to be available and the Waste-by-Rail system
13 would also be available to serve LA County in the
14 future. Under this scenario, no disposal capacity
15 shortfall would be expected to occur during the planning
16 period.
17 The county's long term strategy as outlined
18 in the Siting Element that was approved by the County, a
19 majority of the cities containing a majority of the
20 cities' population, and the State (CalRecycle) is made
21 up of the following key elements. First, divert waste
22 from landfills through waste reduction, recycling,
23 composting, and other recovery efforts.
24 Develop in-County disposal capacity to the
25 extent that it is technically and environmentally
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1 feasible for the waste that remains in need of disposal.
2 It allows the flexibility in managing our disposal as we
3 move to a more predominant recycling approach. A truly
4 sustainable strategy will also include alternatives to
5 landfills such as conversion technologies.
6 Individual jurisdictions within the County
7 may use the out-of-County disposal option to achieve
8 their solid waste goals. Out-of-County disposal
9 capacity supplements and extends the life of in-County
10 disposal capacity and will be essential to meet our
11 needs in the future given the limited potential for
12 developing landfill capacity within the County.
13 By 2045, the unincorporated County areas
14 will achieve a 95% or greater diversion rate consistent
15 with the Board of Supervisors' adopted policy.
16 MR. CLAGHORN: In 2015 Chiquita Canyon
17 Landfill had the second highest amount of waste disposed
18 in Los Angeles County, with 1,075,207 tons of waste
19 disposed, second only to Sunshine Canyon Landfill, with
20 over 2.4 million tons of waste disposed. Chiquita
21 accounted for 22.5% of the Class 3 landfill waste
22 tonnage in LA County in 2015 and 11.1% of all waste
23 disposed in landfills.
24 Approximately 42% of waste originating from
25 LA County was disposed at landfills outside of the
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1 County in 2015. The majority of the waste at Chiquita,
2 55% originated in LA City in 2015. The second largest
3 source of waste was the City of Santa Clarita, with 13%.
4 Santa Monica was next with 6%, with other cities in LA
5 County at 19%, the unincorporated Santa Clarita Valley
6 at 4%, other unincorporated areas of LA County at 1%,
7 and outside of LA County at 2%.
8 In 2015, 90% of the City of Santa Clarita's
9 waste was disposed at Chiquita, as was 77% of the waste
10 from unincorporated areas of the Santa Clarita Valley.
11 Chiquita Canyon serves all areas of LA
12 County. In 2016, the sources of waste for Chiquita were
13 as follows: Third Supervisorial District 37%; Fifth
14 District, 25%; Second District, 16%; First District,
15 13%; Fourth District, 8%; and 2% from outside of the
16 County.
17 Landfills are a tightly regulated industry,
18 and many state and local agencies have responsibility to
19 regulate various aspects of landfill operations. The
20 California Department of Resources Recycling and
21 Recovery, also known as CalRecycle, is the state agency
22 that regulates the landfill.
23 South Coast Air Quality Management District
24 (SCAQMD) is the agency primarily concerned with air
25 quality regulation; the Regional Water Quality Control
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1 Board is the agency concerned with water quality
2 regulation; and the California Air Resources Board, or
3 CARB, is primarily concerned with climate change and
4 greenhouse gases.
5 County agencies involved in regulating the
6 landfill include the Department of Public Health, whose
7 Solid Waste Management Program acts as the Lead
8 Enforcement Agency, or LEA for the landfill's Solid
9 Waste Facility Permit, in concurrence with CalRecycle.
10 The Department of Public Works'
11 Environmental Programs Division prepares and implements
12 the County's waste management plan, monitors and
13 verifies the quantities of waste and beneficial use
14 collected by the landfill, and collects fees from the
15 landfill; the Department of Regional Planning is
16 involved in enforcing the Conditional Use Permit,
17 Implementation and Monitoring Program, and Mitigation
18 Monitoring and Enforcement Program.
19 The various regulatory agencies coordinate
20 with their oversight and enforcement to ensure that the
21 landfill is operating in compliance with the applicable
22 regulations and that the surrounding community is
23 protected from potential adverse impacts. The operator
24 of Chiquita Canyon Landfill has had a good record of
25 compliance and it has had relatively few complaints and
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1 verified complaints compared to other major landfills in
2 the County.
3 The landfill was first approved by a permit
4 in 1965 and began operations in about 1972. It has been
5 permitted to operate with new CUPs, most recently by
6 CUP 89-081 in 1997. A new CUP is required because the
7 landfill has reached the waste disposal limited allowed
8 under CUP 89-081.
9 Here is a photograph of the landfill working
10 face where waste is placed into the landfill. The
11 working face is a relatively -- is relatively small in
12 area and is covered at least once per day to control and
13 minimize odors and litter.
14 Here's a photo of the landfill gas energy
15 plant which exists on the site. It produced enough
16 energy to power about 10,000 homes per year. Energy is
17 generated from gases collected at the landfill, and is
18 delivered to the local electrical grid. No change is
19 proposed to the plant's operations.
20 Here's a photo of the main landfill
21 expansion area. The surrounding mountains will screen
22 the landfill expansion area from Val Verde and from most
23 of the surrounding area.
24 This aerial photo shows the Project Site
25 looking from southeast to northwest. The existing
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1 entrance facilities are visible on the left near the
2 highway and the existing main canyon is in the center.
3 The main canyon will be expanded mostly to the northeast
4 on the right side of this photo. The main landfill
5 expansion area will fill in much of the canyon. The
6 significant ridgelines to the north and west will
7 continue to screen the view from Val Verde.
8 The photo on the left of this slide shows
9 the main canyon expansion area from the north, with the
10 Valencia Commerce Center in the foreground, the U.S.
11 Postal Distribution center on the left, and the existing
12 main canyon of the landfill on the upper right. The
13 canyon in the center of this photo will be filled in
14 with landfill materials.
15 The ridgelines to the north and west will
16 screen it from view from Val Verde and most points to
17 the north of the landfill. The photo on the right shows
18 an aerial view with Val Verde in the foreground looking
19 to the east, with the Commerce Center in the rear and a
20 portion of the landfill expansion area in the upper
21 right corner.
22 This photo shows the significant ridgelines
23 which are to remain and which will screen the landfill
24 from view from Val Verde and other areas to the north,
25 as well as to the west.
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1 The Proposed Project will be the continued
2 operation of existing Class 3 landfill. The permittee
3 requested an increase in the proposed disposal tonnage
4 from 6,000 to 12,000 tons per day and from 30,000 to
5 60,000 tons per week. A new entranceway and new
6 administrative and support buildings will be constructed
7 off Wolcott Way.
8 A new Household Hazardous Waste Facility
9 will be developed onsite. Mixed organics composting
10 will be an accessory use to the landfill. There will be
11 land that will be set aside for potential future
12 conversion technology facility.
13 A Southern California Edison subtransmission
14 line will be relocated to provide space for the new
15 entrance facilities. Four oak tree removals are also
16 proposed due to the new entrance facilities and related
17 grading.
18 The landfill is currently approved for a
19 waste disposal area of 257 acres, of which 251 acres has
20 been used. The total proposed waste disposal area after
21 the expansion will be 400 acres, an increase of 143
22 acres. The permittee has requested a maximum landfill
23 elevation of 1,573 feet, an increase from the current
24 maximum level of 1,430 feet. The overall site area will
25 remain 639 acres.
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1 The Proposed Project requested by the
2 applicant would result in up to 3.12 million tons per
3 year of waste received by the landfill. The applicant
4 has proposed to continue the existing level of
5 beneficial use materials accepted. CUP 89-081, approved
6 in 1997 for the landfill did not impose a limit on the
7 amount of beneficial use material at the landfill.
8 The amount of beneficial use materials,
9 including 560 tons per day for composting, plus 2,358
10 tons per day based on 2011 levels, would result in about
11 910,000 tons per year of beneficial use materials.
12 Overall materials received by the landfill could be as
13 much as slightly more than 4 million tons per year based
14 on this request.
15 However, the recommend project conditions
16 impose a much lower limit on the mount of waste
17 materials received. On an annual basis the amount of
18 waste disposed would be limited to 1.4 million tons per
19 year, with the limit of 700,000 tons beneficial use
20 materials, for a total of 2.1 million tons per year of
21 all materials based on the recommended conditions of
22 approval.
23 The current maximum landfill elevation
24 recommended is 1,430 feet. The applicant has requested
25 a maximum height of 1,573 feet. However, based on the
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1 recommended tonnage limit of 46.8 million tons, the
2 maximum landfill height of 1,430 feet would need to be
3 adjusted to 1,495 feet in the project conditions. If
4 the maximum landfill height remains at the current level
5 of 1,430 feet, assuming the same expansion area, the
6 tonnage capacity would need to be limited to 34 million
7 tons in the conditions.
8 The recommended draft conditions have been
9 designed to limit Project impacts to current levels.
10 The conditions allow some flexibility in the amount of
11 materials accepted by the landfill on a daily basis,
12 with a maximum of 12,000 tons per day of all materials,
13 including beneficial use and waste due to the day-to-day
14 variability inherent in the operations.
15 The daily maximum amount is less than the
16 over 15,000 tons of all materials on the biggest day in
17 2016, and the over 12,000 tons for the highest day in
18 2011, of waste disposal, plus beneficial use. The
19 overall tonnage allowed of 2.1 million tons is lower
20 than the 2.8 million tons of all materials received for
21 2016, which was nearly evenly split between waste
22 disposed and beneficial use materials.
23 The recommended weekly maximum of 50,000
24 tons for all materials is also less than the peak week
25 from 2011. A new entrance and support facilities will
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1 be required off of Wolcott Way and the existing entrance
2 will be closed. The Household Hazardous Waste facility
3 will allow for disposal of paints and solvents, used
4 motor oil and filters, anti-freeze and other automotive
5 fluids, cleaning products, pool and garden chemicals,
6 aerosol cans, medicines, auto batteries, and household
7 batteries.
8 These materials would be collected from the
9 general public, not commercial or industrial businesses,
10 for temporary storage, and are to be properly disposed
11 at a different location, and will not go into the
12 landfill.
13 The Project Site would also include a mixed
14 organics composting operation that would be enclosed and
15 subject to an odor control plan. This facility would
16 process and compost green waste, food waste, and other
17 organics waste materials, and to store and distribute
18 mulch, biomass fuel and compost.
19 The conversion technology facility would be
20 developed in the future in a portion of the site set
21 aside for such use, which would divert waste from the
22 landfill and convert it to other useful products such as
23 biofuels. Project conditions prohibit sludge, medical
24 waste, hazardous waste, radioactive waste and other
25 prohibited materials.
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1 A load checking program will verify that no
2 prohibited materials will be accepted at the landfill.
3 The CUP includes a related implementation and Monitoring
4 Program (IMP) which requires annual reports and regular
5 monitoring to verify compliance with all Project
6 requirements.
7 As recommended, the CUP will terminate after
8 30 years, or when the overall tonnage limit of 46.8
9 million tons is reached, whichever occurs first. A
10 Periodic Review will occur ten years after the permit's
11 effective date.
12 This review will be to consider new or
13 changed circumstances, such as physical development near
14 the Project Site, improved technological innovations in
15 environmental protection and control systems, and other
16 best management practices that might significantly
17 improve the operations of the facility, and to determine
18 if any changes to the facility operations and
19 Implementation and Monitoring Program, or IMP, are
20 warranted based on the changed circumstances.
21 Another Periodic Review would occur after
22 20 years. Project conditions and mitigation measures
23 include requirements for air quality monitoring, odor
24 impact minimization plan and other odor control
25 measures, requirements for the leachate liner systems
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1 for groundwater protection and many other requirements
2 to protect the environment and health and safety of area
3 residents. Annual reports and regular ongoing
4 monitoring are also required to ensure compliance with
5 all Project requirements.
6 All Project impacts, including traffic,
7 biological resources, geology, hydrology, et cetera, are
8 to be reduced to less than significant levels after
9 implementation of the mitigation measures in the
10 Project's Mitigation Monitoring and Reporting Program,
11 except for two areas. The Project results in
12 significant and unavoidable impacts to Air Quality and
13 Greenhouse Gases (GHG)/Climate Change. These impacts
14 would be significant and unavoidable for all of the
15 project alternatives analyzed in the EIR.
16 The project analysis concluded that the
17 project's GHG will be less than significant through
18 2020, but are potentially significant and unavoidable
19 impacts after 2020 due largely to uncertainty over
20 future state emission targets and requirements.
21 The EIR finds that even a No Project
22 alternative would result in Significant and Unavoidable
23 Impacts for both Air Quality and GHG impacts, because
24 the waste will still need to be disposed of, and
25 transporting it longer distances to other locations
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1 would change the location of impacts, but impacts could
2 still not be reduced to less than significant levels.
3 The MMRP contains mitigations to reduce Air Quality and
4 GHG impacts for those areas to the extent possible, in
5 addition to the other mitigation measures.
6 The project will require the removal of up
7 to four existing ordinance-sized oak trees, located near
8 the proposed entrance facilities, the existing office,
9 and the landfill expansion area. These trees shall be
10 replaced by mitigation trees at a ratio of 2 to 1.
11 The Project is consistent with the Zoning
12 Code requirements and the relevant policies of the
13 General Plan and the Santa Clarita Valley Area Plan.
14 County staff from the Departments of Regional Planning,
15 Public Works, Public Health and Fire have reviewed the
16 project. All required clearances have been received,
17 and the Project will be required to comply with all
18 applicable requirements.
19 In conclusion, County staff recommends
20 approval of the Project, including the CUP and Oak Tree
21 Permit, subject to the draft Conditions of Approval, the
22 related implementation and Monitoring Program, and the
23 Mitigation Monitoring and Reporting Program and
24 Certification of the EIR.
25 The Project as recommended substantially
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1 reduces the amount of materials the landfill can receive
2 as compared to the applicant's preferred alternative,
3 and is comparable to the operating levels of recent
4 years in terms of total materials received.
5 The project's conditions will help to reduce
6 impacts to the environment on the site surrounding area.
7 Continued operation of the landfill will help the County
8 to continue to meet its waste disposal needs. And the
9 Project Conditions, IMP, and MMRP will provide
10 restrictions to help avoid adverse impacts to the
11 community.
12 This concludes my presentation. I'm
13 available to answer any questions from the Commission.
14 MR. SMITH: Thank you very much for that
15 presentation. I would like to -- there is a very large
16 number of people here to speak, which is excellent and
17 important, and we want to make sure that we have the
18 opportunity to hear everyone. So I'd like to very
19 politely ask if you cannot -- not interrupt. Take your
20 comments, take your questions outside.
21 Anything you say from the audience I
22 absolutely understand and appreciate the emotion and,
23 you know, the importance of why we're here. Anything
24 said from the audience doesn't actually get into the
25 public record. Your opportunity to speak and enter
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1 comments into the public record is when you come up and
2 provide public comment, which we encourage you to do.
3 And again if you wish to do so, please be
4 sure to fill out a comment card in the back. Before we
5 get to that step in the evening, however, I want to
6 first ask my fellow commissioners if there are any
7 question of staff at this time.
8 MR. MODUGNO: Mr. Chairman, I have a great
9 number of questions, but I really would like to hear
10 from the public. So I think I will pass on that until
11 they --
12 MR. SMITH: Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I
13 think we all have many questions. But also seeing many,
14 many wonderful people here who want to share their
15 perspective and priorities. So at this point we're
16 going to move on to the presentation from the applicant.
17 The applicant will have 15 minutes to present. I'd like
18 to -- if we can call the applicant forward.
19 MR. GLASER: Yes. We have Mike Dean and
20 David Wake representing the applicant.
21 MR. SMITH: And at this time if you can
22 actually remain standing for me, please. I'm actually
23 going to ask everyone here tonight who plans to speak on
24 this item, we want to swear you in. So if you plan --
25 if you filled out a comment card, if you plan to provide
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1 testimony will you please rise if you're able.
2 Do you and each of you swear or affirm under
3 penalty of perjury that the testimony you may give in
4 the matters now pending before this commission shall be
5 the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
6 If so, say I do.
7 Thank you very much.
8 I would like to remind folks in the audience
9 that there was a recommendation -- there was a -- a
10 prohibition on signs in the building. So if you have a
11 sign, please do not raise it, please keep it down. We
12 appreciate taking the opportunity to share your feelings
13 again. The best way to do that is to actually enter it
14 to into the public record, which is filling out a
15 comment card and coming forward.
16 Again, if -- if you can please help us do
17 our best to make sure that everyone has the opportunity
18 to speak on this important item, if you can be sure to
19 silence your cell phones. If you need to have
20 conversations, please take them to the back. Please
21 avoid interruptions so that we can get through and make
22 sure that everyone has the opportunity to speak.
23 If somebody says something that you really
24 agree with, snaps rather than clapping is a good way to
25 indicate that support without interrupting the speaker.
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1 So if you could help us all out and do our best so that
2 we can make sure that we hear from everybody on this
3 item, we'd really appreciate it.
4 So we're going to move to applicant's
5 presentation. You'll have 15 minutes to present
6 according to our standard rules. You have a little
7 clock in front of you with the time. The green light
8 will go on when you begin, yellow light when there's
9 about 30 seconds left, and then red light when it's time
10 to wrap up. If you could state your names for the
11 record and go ahead and begin.
12 MR. DEAN: My name is Mike Dean.
13 MR. SMITH: I'm sorry -- excuse me. I'm
14 assuming you have a PowerPoint for us. So we are going
15 to take our alternative seats in the front row so we can
16 view this PowerPoint.
17 MR. DEAN: Thank you. Mr. Chair and
18 Commissioners, my name is Mike Dean. I'm the Division
19 Vice President for Waste Connections in Southern
20 California, and I've been at Waste Connections since
21 2002. I'd like to take this time tonight to cover a
22 handful of topics. We're going to discuss who we are,
23 who we're not, the environmental impacts associated with
24 the project.
25 I'll make some comments on the proposed
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1 Conditional Use Permit and talk about support. First
2 off, as mentioned in the previous presentation, we were
3 first permitted in 1965. And we are absolutely a
4 regional landfill serving the Santa Clarita Valley and
5 all of Los Angeles County. We are Switzerland, which
6 I'll get to in a couple slides. And we are not Sunshine
7 Canyon, nor are we compared frequently to Sunshine
8 Canyon. We're actually the most compliant landfill in
9 Los Angeles County.
10 Let's talk about who we are. We are a large
11 landfill. In 2016, these are the numbers that we dealt
12 with. 2.9 million tons of disposal total, and that's
13 all materials into the site. Disposal tons which is
14 trash and all the other beneficial use materials. We
15 had a peak week of over 68,000 tons, and a peak day of
16 over 15,000 tons.
17 We're currently permitted for 24 hour
18 operation and we use that quite frequently to
19 accommodate special projects in the Los Angeles area.
20 For example, in 2012 we were open 184 nights. And last
21 year because of the demand, we were open only 51 nights.
22 You saw this slide at the previous
23 presentation, but the point is we are a regional
24 landfill. Our waste comes from all the districts within
25 the County. Only 2% of the material comes from
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1 out-of-County. Most of that is from right across the
2 County line, which is only four miles away from
3 Chiquita. So it comes from the Fillmore, Santa Paula
4 area, from some local businesses down there.
5 We talk about Switzerland. Switzerland is
6 neutral, Chiquita Canyon is neutral. We don't compete
7 with our customers. And that means Waste Connections
8 has no hauling operations in southern California. So
9 therefore we offer a disposal site where we do not
10 compete with our customers, unlike Sunshine Canyon and
11 Republic who have large operations in the area to
12 collect waste, they feed their own landfill, they
13 compete against other customers that aren't Republic.
14 And because we're independent, because we're neutral, we
15 do not offer predatory pricing.
16 There's an incentive for companies that haul
17 trash and deliver it to their own site to offer
18 different pricing to their competitors, typically higher
19 pricing. But we don't do that, we treat everybody
20 equally. And this position in the market of being
21 independent is absolutely critical to family owned
22 businesses.
23 Most of our haulers are -- they're not
24 corporations, they're family owned businesses, some of
25 them third generation. They're the fabric of how
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1 Los Angeles County was developed. And it's critical to
2 their survival that we remain in business. And even
3 though I don't like to say Sunshine Canyon, we have to
4 speak about it because we're frequently compared to
5 Sunshine. But we are in no way Sunshine Canyon.
6 Actually, we're bigger. Our annual volume
7 last year, as I mentioned, was 2.9 million tons of all
8 materials brought into the site. We have higher peak
9 days, over 15,000 tons, and our average day is higher
10 than what they experience. All this with no issues as
11 far as compliance. In fact, we're the polar opposite
12 when it comes to our compliance history.
13 A quick review so -- I think made my point.
14 In the ten plus years -- during the past ten plus years
15 we've had one notice of violation from the South Coast
16 Air Quality Management District for nuisance odors. In
17 a shorter period of time, only eight years, Sunshine has
18 had 180 violations. We've had no orders of class action
19 litigation and no orders of abatements against our
20 operation.
21 And another way to demonstrate this, we
22 hired a firm, Blue Ridge Services, Neal Bolton's
23 company. He literally wrote the book on landfill
24 operation. He's so well respected in the industry that
25 he trains CalRecycle staff, the landfill inspectors in
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1 the state of how to do their jobs. And Neal performed a
2 study for us in 2016, and here's a couple quotes from
3 that facility. "That we're well run or able to achieve
4 our compliance record. Largely in part because we use
5 these beneficial use materials."
6 And these materials are things like curbside
7 green waste you put out that gets ground up,
8 construction debris that's ground up, crushed concrete,
9 when they re-asphalt a surface street and bring us the
10 grindings. Those type of materials, we put them to use
11 on the site. We don't dispose of them.
12 And the more material that a facility
13 diverts from landfill uses for beneficial use, the more
14 likely it will be in compliance. And those are Blue
15 Ridge's conclusions based on, you know, a detailed
16 review of our operations.
17 I'd like to touch briefly upon the impacts
18 the project has. There's 14 resource sections in the
19 EIR, and there are no significant impacts in 12 of those
20 resource areas. I'll highlight a couple of these.
21 Notably people can relate to traffic, no impact; noise,
22 no impact; water quality and the visual aspects of the
23 project, there's no impact.
24 There are two areas -- there are two areas
25 where there's significant environmental impacts. One of
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1 them is air quality and the other is greenhouse gas.
2 And the point I'd like to make on air quality is that
3 the model we were told to use by AQMD, contrary to
4 written policy manual, actually combines operation and
5 construction emissions into one. And the way the
6 landfill operates is we operate daily.
7 But we construct a new area to dispose of
8 garbage in every four or five years. So the reality is
9 we continuously operate and construct once every four or
10 five years for a period of six months. But the modeling
11 direction we're given by AQMD is that we operate
12 continuously and build continuously. And those
13 emissions are the significant environmental impact.
14 So actually we model the condition that
15 never exists at the landfill. And greenhouse gas
16 emissions, we are not significantly impacting the
17 environmental up to 2020. And after 2020 there is no
18 more state guidance or regulations in place. They're in
19 the process of being developed.
20 So we took a very conservative approach and
21 said that after 2020 we're just going to assume that
22 we're -- that we have significant environmental impacts,
23 even though there's no way to quantify that. And one
24 other point I'd like to make is that reducing the size
25 of the project does not eliminate these impacts.
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1 Another point I'd like to make here is our
2 current reality, what we did in 2016 versus the proposed
3 limits that Richard spoke about in the prior
4 presentation that are in the draft CUP. In 2016 we did
5 over 9300 tons a day, and the CUP limits us to 67. What
6 I'd like to highlight is that the CUP condition as
7 written right now, we exceeded those 250 days in 2016 or
8 81% of the time.
9 Likewise with a peak day, 46% of the days
10 were higher than the peak allowed in the proposed CUP.
11 And on a weekly basis, 37 weeks out of the 52 we
12 exceeded the peak week allowance. So what's proposed in
13 the CUP does not fairly represent the status quo in our
14 opinion.
15 The prior presentation also talked about the
16 County goals in the Countywide Integrated Waste
17 Management Plan of 2015 annual report. And there's
18 assumptions in there about diversion and how successful
19 they'll be in County and what impact it will have on
20 lowering the amount of waste disposal, but they also
21 state that maintaining adequate capacity will be
22 essential in ensuring that the disposal needs of the
23 County are met.
24 And based on my previous slide where all the
25 criteria in the proposed CUP are actually less than what
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1 we're doing now, I ask you how does that -- how does
2 that fit with -- with meeting these goals of actually
3 reducing the amount of existing capacity in the County
4 moving forward?
5 The other aspect of the proposed CUP are the
6 fees. Numerous fees in the conditions, they represent a
7 356% increase. If we were to apply those fees to our
8 2016 volumes, that's where these numbers come from. So
9 in 2016 we paid $7.7 million to the County alone.
10 That's not counting the other $2 million we paid to the
11 State. With the proposed fee structure we would've paid
12 $27.3 million to the County. The fees are also
13 unrelated to the project impacts.
14 As I mentioned, 12 of the 14 sections showed
15 no impact, yet there are fees in the CUP to address
16 impacts from certain criteria. The landfill was
17 structured on a cut and paste approach from the
18 Lancaster CUP. So it really ignores the site specific
19 conditions that Chiquita has and the historical
20 compliance record that Chiquita has when you use the
21 same format that you use in a landfill in Lancaster,
22 which is a completely different setting.
23 The fees are the highest for any landfill
24 paid in the County. And the reason why I bring this up,
25 I mention our independent customers, and in the second,
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1 third generation family businesses, we cannot pass these
2 fees along to the County -- I mean to our customers.
3 They can't afford to pay them. It will drive the waste
4 out of Chiquita and it will drive it to places, into
5 Sunshine Canyon Landfill and out of the County.
6 And there's also some duplicate community
7 agreements in the CUP. There are other extractions in
8 the CUP besides the per ton and the annual fees which
9 allow slide cover. There's a requirement to build a
10 future park on private lands after the landfill closes.
11 There's a new entrance and Household Hazardous Waste
12 facility.
13 And up until a week ago our composting
14 facility was a window, open air composting that we found
15 out in the CUP that now has to be enclosed. We add
16 these things up, it's another $54 million dollars in
17 expenses on a project that's greatly reduced in size.
18 We believe -- I mean as a company we're certainly Waste
19 Connections, it's one of our core values to give back to
20 the community, and we do, you know, nationwide in all of
21 our operations.
22 And Chiquita is no objection. Here is some
23 business organizations that we supported in the
24 community and in the greater LA area. And we also -- a
25 number of non-profits that we continue to over the
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1 years. And I'd like to make the point that we didn't
2 start doing this yesterday to support this project.
3 We've been dealing with the businesses and communities
4 in the valley for over -- you know, nearly two decades.
5 I'd like to tell you a short story. People
6 who know us actually are excited to move next to us.
7 Logix Federal Credit Union is relocating their facility
8 from Burbank. They worked with the Santa Clarita Valley
9 Economic Development Corp on finding a location in the
10 Santa Clarita Valley. They ended up and chose a
11 location on Franklin Way, which is right by the post
12 office distribution center.
13 And they did that after extensive
14 independent research, site visits, interviews with
15 staff, and they concluded that there was no negative
16 impact from the landfill on their 700 plus employees
17 that will be located literally within a thousand feet of
18 the landfill.
19 We have a number of supporters here tonight
20 represented by elected officials, residents, business
21 groups, non-profits, customers, et cetera. And out of
22 respect for the Commission's time, we're not going have
23 all these people speak, we're going to have a handful of
24 people speak on behalf of the groups that they
25 represent.
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1 Yeah, so at this time I'd just like to have
2 our supporters stand up so they can be recognized by the
3 commission. Thank you.
4 So in conclusion, due to the short amount of
5 time we've had to review the draft permit, we
6 respectively request that the commission grant a short
7 continuance after taking public testimony tonight. We'd
8 like more time to review our concerns regarding the
9 draft permit with staff before the Commission take
10 action.
11 Even though the County staff are
12 recommending approval of a small project, we truly
13 believe that our project as originally proposed is
14 environmentally sound, technically feasible, and does
15 meet the long-term solid waste needs of the County. So
16 once again, we respectfully request that the Commission
17 consider approval of the proposed project at a later
18 date. Thank you.
19 MR. SMITH: Thank you very much. Again I
20 think we're all eager to hear from the public and all of
21 you here. I do want to pause and ask my fellow
22 commissioners if we have any questions at this time of
23 the applicant.
24 All right. Seeing none, we're going to open
25 up public comment on this item. Again, if you wish to
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1 speak, you need to first fill out a comment card. And
2 someone, a staff member in the back at that table can
3 help you. One more quick reminder, we're going to have
4 two minutes for public comment. You can -- you can do
5 the math. If you look around the room and look at the
6 stack of comment cards and multiply by two minutes -- so
7 we want to hear from everyone.
8 If -- I want to encourage you if someone has
9 said what you wanted to say very eloquently, you're
10 welcome to waive your time and let us know that you
11 support that comment or speak on a different issue or
12 different item. But we want to encourage everyone who
13 wants to speak and we want to make sure that we have --
14 give everyone that opportunity. At this time I'd like
15 to ask the translator to come forward. I just want to
16 make sure we have that set up and ready to go.
17 Welcome and thank you. So again we're going
18 to read off some names. And if you hear your name,
19 please come forward. If you plan to provide your
20 testimony in Spanish, we will double the time allotted
21 and have translation. And just a reminder so for anyone
22 who came in a little bit late, we are offering
23 simultaneous Spanish translation.
24 And there are headsets available in the
25 back. So if that's something that you'd like to
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1 acquire, please go to the table in the back and a staff
2 member can help you with that. So at this point I'd
3 like to go ahead and read off the first few names if we
4 can.
5 MR. GLASER: Yes. The first five speakers
6 -- the first five speakers are Joshua Rivers, Patsy
7 Ayala, Taylor Criddle, Rudy Ortega and Paul Rosenfeld.
8 MR. SMITH: Thank you. If you've heard your
9 name called you can come forward. Feel free to form a
10 line. So if you heard your name called feel free to
11 come and have a seat in the front and in any order. The
12 first one who wants to come up can have a seat here at
13 the front to give your comment. And then when you're
14 done you can vacate your seat and we can fill in from
15 there.
16 So welcome. You'll have two minutes -- and
17 this is sort of for everyone. Two minutes to speak.
18 Green light will go on when you begin, yellow light when
19 there's 30 seconds left, red light when it's time to
20 wrap up. And please be sure to state your name for the
21 record before you begin. Go ahead. Welcome.
22 MR. ROSENFELD: Thank you. Thank you
23 Commissioners and Chair for your time. I appreciate it.
24 My name is Dr. Paul Rosenfeld. I have a PhD in soil
25 chemistry from the University of Washington, a Master's
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1 in environmental science policy and management from
2 UC Berkley, a Bachelors in environmental studies from
3 UC Santa Barbara where I focused on biosolids and
4 anaerobic digestion.
5 My Doctorate was in making biosolids --
6 controlling odors from biosolids. I've testified in
7 depositions or trial as an expert witness on numerous
8 cases involving environmental contaminates and exposure
9 assessment and human health risk assessment. I've
10 coauthored several books concerning environmental
11 contaminates and best practices in the chemical
12 industry, and authored numerous papers.
13 I'm the founder and principal environmental
14 consulting scientist at a company called Soil Water Air
15 Protection Enterprise. I've developed something called
16 the urban odor wheel and I've authored papers on this,
17 and the compost wheel which are used by industry to
18 characterize odor. I'm only on page 1, now I'm moving
19 to page 3.
20 I've worked with Chiquita Canyon Landfill,
21 I've worked with many landfills on behalf of regulators
22 and community groups. I first conducted an odor study
23 at Chiquita Canyon in 2005. The landfill has vertical
24 and horizontal vapor traction pipes that are similar to
25 the most extensive systems I've witnessed. My entire
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1 report is independent -- age five of the report.
2 There's 3,700 points that I've evaluated.
3 Only 1% of odor was detected in Val Verde. And in
4 conclusion, very last page, within the boundaries of the
5 landfill itself, trash odors were regularly -- very
6 close to the active phase. Very few odors were detected
7 outside the landfill. Odors potentially related to the
8 landfill were only confirmed once within the Val Verde
9 community. Odor pipes from the landfill are less than
10 significant. Thank you.
11 MR. SMITH: Thank you very much. And that's
12 a very quick two minutes. So thank you.
13 MS. JONES: There is no advantage to
14 yelling. It extends the meeting. You will have your
15 chance to speak. Please be quiet unless you've taken
16 your oath and it's your turn to speak. None of the
17 yelling from out there gets into the record.
18 MR. SMITH: Welcome.
19 MR. RIVERS: Thank you Commissioners, Chair.
20 I appreciate the opportunity. Joshua Rivers
21 representing U.S. congressman Steve Knight's office.
22 MR. SMITH: As long as -- as the booing and
23 the noise occurs, this clock doesn't start. We can't
24 hear the speaker and it delays everyone's opportunity to
25 speak. So please be respectful. We're all here, we're
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1 all here to share perspectives, our concerns, our
2 priorities. And it is important for us as a Commission
3 to hear from everybody when we're evaluating and making
4 this decision. The outbursts, the booing as County
5 Counsel indicated, it does not go into the public
6 record, it does not effect anything.
7 Your best way to make your point and for us
8 to understand the concerns and the priority -- are very
9 valid concerns that we want to hear and -- principles
10 and priorities, to come forward and give public comment.
11 So please if we could all respect that process so that
12 we can hear from everybody. Thank you. Go ahead.
13 MR. RIVERS: Thank you. "Dear
14 Commissioners, as the U.S. congressman representing the
15 Santa Clarita Valley, I am pleased to support Chiquita
16 Canyon Landfill, the largest clean energy generation
17 facility in the Santa Clarita Valley. Chiquita Canyon
18 has been a leader in environmental sustainability,
19 converting naturally occurring landfill gas into clean
20 energy, powering 10,000 homes.
21 "With the project as proposed Chiquita will
22 also set aside space for a potential future conversion
23 technology facility which will help the County determine
24 even more sustainable ways to dispose of waste in the
25 future. The need for and the benefits of continuing the
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1 landfill's operations are carefully considered and
2 supported by the conclusion in the final EIR.
3 "We need to be able to handle the waste
4 generated by us in the best way possible and with the
5 lowest impact to the environment. Chiquita needs --
6 Chiquita meets those needs. The landfill operators have
7 done an exemplary job to address concerns from local
8 residents, including odor and health and safety through
9 the environmental review process and independent
10 analysis.
11 "Chiquita Canyon hired a nationally
12 recognized firm specializing in odor analysis to conduct
13 an independent odor survey at Chiquita Canyon. The
14 findings showed Chiquita does not create significant
15 odor impacts to the surrounding community. Much of the
16 success of that analysis is a direct result of the
17 extensive odor mitigation measures in place at Chiquita
18 which help make it a model landfill facility.
19 "I support the ongoing efforts of Chiquita
20 Canyon Landfill to manage and process the solid waste
21 needs of our region in an environmentally responsible
22 manner. I urge you to support Chiquita Canyon and
23 approve their proposed project which continues their
24 business operations as usual.
25 Sincerely, Steve Knight, member of
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1 congress."
2 MR. SMITH: Thank you. Excuse me. Sorry,
3 before you begin can I ask -- I'm sorry, the translator,
4 what's your name?
5 THE TRANSLATOR: Delores.
6 MR. SMITH: Thank you for being here. I
7 appreciate the work and providing the service. In order
8 to expedite the process would it be all right if we
9 asked you to have a seat over here so that we can have
10 two speakers up and then you can come up with them?
11 What we're trying to do is make sure that we
12 have two speakers on deck so-to-speak. Again, one more
13 reminder to the audience. I totally absolutely
14 appreciate the emotion and the concern and I applaud the
15 engagement. It's -- it's really great to see so many
16 people come out to speak to such an important issue.
17 Yelling and outbursts and interruptions
18 don't make it into the public record. They're not
19 persuasive. All they do is delay the ability for your
20 neighbors and you and other stakeholders to speak. And
21 it's really important for us to be able to hear from
22 everyone. So I would like to one more time very
23 politely please ask if you can refrain from
24 interruption.
25 I know that you may hear some things that
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1 make you upset and that's -- and I understand and
2 appreciate that. And the best way to express that so
3 that we can understand those concerns is through public
4 comment, not through outbursts.
5 So please if we can all do our part for
6 that, it will help this meeting run more smoothly and
7 help us as a Commission understand the concerns in a way
8 that's more helpful. So one more plea and polite
9 request, if you could help me out with that.
10 With that, please go ahead and state your
11 name for the record and you can begin.
12 MS. AYALA: Okay. First thank you. I
13 promise to be respectful with them in hearing their
14 comments and concerns here. And I'll be here at the end
15 in case in they have in any comment directly to the
16 senator. So there's no need to interruption on these.
17 Good evening, members of the Department of
18 the Regional Planning. Today our senator is in
19 Sacramento. That's why I'm here today on his behalf.
20 Some statements that I brought in the letter and these
21 statements are, "As the state senator representing the
22 Santa Clarita Valley, I am pleased to express my full
23 support to Chiquita Canyon Landfill and the ongoing
24 development of this facility.
25 "Solid waste management and disposal is key
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1 to the success of any region, and Chiquita Canyon has
2 provided this valuable service to the people of the
3 Los Angeles area for more than 40 years. Chiquita
4 Canyon has been emerged as a leader in environmental
5 sustainability and they convert landfill gas to clean
6 energy to power more than 10,000 homes each year.
7 "With the proposed project they will not
8 only create even more clean energy, but they have set
9 aside a future conversion technology facility which will
10 redefine the way we dispose of waste in the future. We
11 need to be able to handle the waste generated by us in
12 the best way possible and with the lowest impact to the
13 environment. Chiquita meets those needs.
14 "I applaud the ongoing efforts of the
15 Chiquita Canyon Landfill to manage and process the solid
16 waste needs of our region in an environmentally
17 responsible manner. I believe the proposed project will
18 help them continue to effectively address the
19 community's changing and growing needs."
20 Thank you so much for your attention.
21 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
22 MR. CRIDDLE: My name is Taylor Criddle and
23 I am a district representative on behalf of your
24 assemblyman Dante Acosta. Tonight I'm going to be
25 reading a prepared written statement on his behalf.
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1 "Dear Commissioners, as the California State
2 Assemblyman representing the region including the
3 Chiquita Canyon landfill, I am writing to you in support
4 of Chiquita's operations to ensure that we are meeting
5 the needs of our region's solid waste disposal demands.
6 "Chiquita Canyon has been permitted for over
7 50 years and they have a solid record of working with
8 local, state and federal government to meet standards
9 and maintain environmental stewardship for the region.
10 The need for and the benefit of the landfill's operation
11 are carefully considered and supported by the conclusion
12 of the final EIR. We must handle the waste generated by
13 us in the best possible way to minimize impacts to the
14 environment. Chiquita meets that standard.
15 "As you know, Chiquita Canyon converts
16 naturally occurring landfill gas to clean energy which
17 in fact powers more than 10,000 homes per year. Their
18 continued operations will not only create even more
19 clean energy. In addition, they have set space for
20 potential conversion facility -- for a potential
21 conversion technology facility.
22 "Chiquita Canyon has been a significant
23 member of this community for decades. Their positive
24 impact in the community doesn't go without notice.
25 Sincerely, assembly member Dante Acosta."
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1 Thank you.
2 MR. SMITH: Thank you. You can go ahead and
3 begin.
4 MR. ORTEGA: Mr. Chairman, Commissioners, my
5 name is Rudy Ortega. I'm the Tribal President for the
6 Fernandeno Tataviam Band of Mission Indians. My
7 ancestor's territory is all of Santa Clarita, portions
8 of the Ventura County, and as well as Kern County. And
9 we support Chiquita Landfill.
10 We were able to sit down with them to talk
11 with them about tribal consultation, avoidance of
12 cultural resources, and avoidance of other cultural
13 items that are significant to the tribe. I have a
14 letter to present to the chair of the Commission. And
15 again the tribe supports Chiquita Landfill, and has
16 dealt with delegation with mitigation projects for the
17 project itself. So thank you for your time,
18 Commissioners, for this interview.
19 MR. SMITH: Thank you. And thank you for
20 submitting the letter because it's a single copy for all
21 the commissioners. That's why I passed it along.
22 MR. GLASER: The next five speakers are
23 Logan Smith, Alan Ferdman, Richard Mathews, Reverend
24 Peter Farriday and Lynne Plambeck.
25 MR. SMITH: And anyone feel free to step up.
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1 You can go ahead if you're ready.
2 MR. FERDMAN: Good evening, Commissioners.
3 My name is Alan Ferdman. I'm the chair of the Santa
4 Clarita Community Council. I'd like to open this up
5 with a discussion about credibility. 19 years ago the
6 Chiquita Landfill entered into a contract with the
7 residents of Val Verde that they were going to close
8 under a particular situation. I found it most
9 distressing that neither the staff presentation, nor
10 Chiquita referenced that at all.
11 As a matter of fact, when we talk about
12 credibility, what I did see in the presentation from
13 Chiquita is that they currently are exceeding their
14 current CUP. And I was wondering why if they blow the
15 contract off and they're exceeding their limits we have
16 any credibility of any future goals.
17 This is a story about money. This is a
18 follow the money. When we saw the list of places that
19 Chiquita spreads money, you should know that if you have
20 someone from the Chamber come up here, the gentleman you
21 saw, the head of the Chamber is also the public
22 relations person for Chiquita Landfill.
23 You saw that the VIA is subsidized in part
24 by the landfill. I have a distressing letter from the
25 Republican Central Committee trying to make this a
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1 Democrat versus Republican issue, and it certainly is
2 not. I happen to be a registered Republican and I still
3 do not think that this should be the way we do business.
4 It wasn't too long ago that I was at a part
5 of a committee looking to find a place for the murf.
6 And at that point, especially when we visited the
7 Fontana facility, there was always discussions about the
8 fact that rail haul is the future. And I'm confused as
9 to why it represented such a small part of the staff
10 report.
11 So I just want to say this should be a
12 discussion about what's in the best interest of our
13 community and our general area and nothing else. I
14 would hope that's what you would consider. Thank you.
15 MR. SMITH: Thank you very much.
16 MR. SMITH: My name is Logan Smith. I live
17 in Valencia and I represent the Los Angeles Democratic
18 Party which has resolved to disprove the expansion of
19 this landfill. With that in mind, it is a travesty that
20 this issue has been politicized by our elected officials
21 because the air we breathe and the health of our
22 children is not a partisan issue.
23 The County has indicated multiple times that
24 the project is not critical to the County waste disposal
25 plans. The landfill has been cited for illegal disposal
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1 of hazardous materials and receives waste from as far
2 away as Tijuana. Claims that the landfill will not
3 accept hazardous waste are not reassuring when the
4 landfill has already done so.
5 That is not fake news, that is not an
6 alternate fact, that is reality. The partially
7 recirculated draft EIR indicates in very uncertain terms
8 that the expansion will result in significant and
9 unavoidable air quality deterioration. Mesquite
10 Regional Landfill is ready and waiting for waste.
11 And every member of this commission and
12 every person in this room must ask themselves why the
13 profit of a predatory private entity takes precedence
14 over the health of our community. It is a moral
15 imperative that the County denies the expansion. Public
16 servants must serve the public, not private pocketbooks.
17 Thank you.
18 MS. PLAMBECK: My name is Lynne Plambeck.
19 I'm here representing the Santa Clarita Organization for
20 Planning and the Environment. I'd like to begin by
21 saying while several people have touted the 10,000 homes
22 being provided with power, that those 10,000 homes can
23 continue to be provided with power because once you
24 close the landfill, that will not stop the methane gas
25 from continuing to leachate out.
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1 In the EIR we feel that there was
2 considerable misrepresentation about how much methane is
3 leaking. We urge you to please read our comments that
4 the golden report seem to overstate what they would be
5 able to collect, and misrepresented -- and I think the
6 South Coast Air Quality Management Board also made
7 comments to that effect.
8 But it's very important because from what
9 was presented in the EIR, they won't comply with state
10 law regarding methane reduction, which is a greenhouse
11 gas, which is why it will continue to be a overriding
12 consideration. I would just like to say that regarding
13 conditions you're considering approving, in 1997 you
14 said that the landfill shall be closed at 23 million.
15 Now you have a new sort of --- that was the
16 condition 46. Now you have a new one that says it shall
17 be closed after 48 million tons. How can we believe
18 you? You never did it the last time. You promised this
19 community that that landfill would be closed. And I'll
20 tell you it does smell over there. I have been over
21 there and it smells.
22 And when the air quality control person came
23 all the way from San Dimas -- oh, yeah, you're not
24 getting violations. And I'm going to say something
25 else. I run for office in this community, and if you
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1 support the landfill they give you a lot of money for
2 your campaign. They have given a lot of money to
3 Steve Knight, they have given a lot of money to
4 Scott Wilk, they have given a lot of money to
5 assemblyman Acosta.
6 And if you run for water district you get a
7 lot of money from the landfill. So I just think that
8 that's a pretty big concern about who's getting paid for
9 what and why people are here supporting it. Thank you.
10 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
11 MR. MATHEWS: I am Richard Mathews, and I'm
12 here to tell you that it is the official Democratic
13 Party's position that this landfill should be shut down
14 in accordance with the agreement that we previously had.
15 The Los Angeles County Democratic Party, the Democratic
16 Party of the San Fernando Valley, the North Valley
17 Democratic Club, and the Democratic Alliance for Action
18 in the Santa Clarita Valley have all passed a resolution
19 calling for this to be shut down.
20 We have a regional plan for waste around
21 Southern California, and that calls for using waste by
22 rail to take the garbage out to the Mesquite Landfill
23 30 miles beyond El Centro where it is far away from
24 populated areas like this one. The LA Times has called
25 that plan a boondoggle because we've already paid for
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1 that landfill to be developed. We have paid for the
2 rail lines and we aren't using them. Let's prove them
3 wrong and use them. Thank you very much.
4 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
5 MS. JONES: I'm going to ask again that you
6 guys stop the cheering. You've been given other
7 options. We are going to run out of time for speakers.
8 MR. FARRIDAY: Good evening. Thank you for
9 being here. My name is Reverend Peter Farriday. I'm
10 glad that the first speaker of this group spoke of the
11 term credibility. Credibility is at the core of what
12 we're speaking here tonight. Credibility is also though
13 an outside view of one's behaviors and actions. It is
14 what others think.
15 Another term that we need to speak about is
16 integrity. Integrity is an inside out movement. It
17 comes from solidity, groundedness in one's core values
18 of truth and responsibility to the greater whole, not
19 just to private interests.
20 There's another term that religious people
21 sometimes use which is covenant. Covenant is a sacred
22 agreement between parties to live by the highest
23 aspirations and realizations that they can muster in
24 this life. There is a deep breach of covenant happening
25 tonight between the original agreement that was signed,
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1 studied, dated, agreed upon, and now has been -- being
2 danced around left, right and center by a lot of other
3 statistical materials that are ultimately irrelevant.
4 Many of the people here tonight on both
5 sides of the aisle attend one sort of house of worship
6 or another. And they may hear stories during those
7 Sunday mornings or Saturday evenings or whatever they
8 attend to of deep covenants between divine reality and
9 human reality.
10 When those covenants are breached there are
11 deep consequences both for the external lives of the
12 people and for the eternal integrity of credibility of
13 this site. I would ask you to look at the covenant that
14 you've made and signed and sealed and delivered and live
15 by that covenant tonight and moving forward. Thank you.
16 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
17 MR. GLASER: The next five speakers are
18 Kevin MacDonald, Curtis Woods, Marlon Roa, Jeff Preach,
19 and Kelly Stater.
20 MR. SMITH: Thank you. The first couple
21 folks up feel free to take those first two seats and the
22 others can take these seats in the front row as you
23 wait.
24 MR. PREACH: Good evening. My name is
25 Jeff Preach. I've live in Castaic for more than
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1 30 years. I've raised my family there and now my kids
2 are being raised there -- grand kids. I got seven grand
3 kids. I also own some different properties throughout
4 Castaic. And I'm here to support the Chiquita Canyon
5 Landfill.
6 I've been on the Town Council 14 years on
7 the land use committee, and then eight years, nine years
8 now on the Town Council. I've been part of the Chamber
9 so I'm pretty active in the area. And I spent close to
10 two years negotiating with the Val Verde area for the
11 mitigation agreement from Chiquita Canyon Landfill.
12 Two years going back and forth to working so
13 that when they do come there's going to be some money to
14 spread around. It worked really well. And the Town
15 Council -- anyhow, the Town Council supported the
16 mitigation and were there to support it. I could go on,
17 but -- okay. The Chiquita Canyon Landfill have really
18 supported other societies from the Lions Club and such
19 like that.
20 In one particular deal I've been Chairman of
21 the Santa Float for the last 30 years. And over the
22 years we've had the giant truck stopper. Nobody has
23 supported the silly Santa Float. It's a sleigh, 50 feet
24 long or 60, about $50,000 worth of stuff. And we drag
25 it around behind a pickup truck for 11 nights.
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1 And we go up and down every single road in
2 Castaic. And all the neighbors, they really supported
3 us. The first guy ever to come out and do it for
4 years -- they don't send a check, these guys actually
5 come out. Anyhow, the landfill is there, done a lot of
6 business around it, and I'm here to support it. Thank
7 you.
8 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
9 MR. MACDONALD: Good evening, Commissioners.
10 Kevin MacDonald, executive director of the Santa Clarita
11 Valley Senior Center. We're here tonight to pledge our
12 voice to Chiquita Canyon. They've been an incredible
13 partner to many charities in our region, posting support
14 to almost 20 different non-profits charities. There are
15 many companies that do business, but Chiquita sets a bar
16 for giving back and investing in those in need.
17 I want to make LA County fully aware of the
18 caliber and integrity of the fine organization from our
19 perspective. Giving back Thanksgiving meals to hundreds
20 of seniors in our community, sponsoring golf tournaments
21 for a variety of charities, and they are true
22 supporters.
23 We are proud to have a partner in the
24 community such as Chiquita Canyon and support their
25 extension, trusting them because of the integrity and
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1 goodwill that they bring to our community. Thank you.
2 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
3 MR. ROA: Good evening. My name is Marlon
4 Roa, and I'm here today representing the Latino Business
5 Alliance of the Santa Clarita Valley. The LBA is
6 committed to promoting the success and prosperity of
7 Latino business owners and professionals, as well as the
8 well-being of the community, its welfare in the future.
9 I'm here to speak in favor of Chiquita
10 Canyon. Our organization recognizes the important role
11 that Chiquita Canyon plays in the valley and the Santa
12 Clarita region as a whole. We are proud to recognize
13 businesses that are a positive impact, influence in our
14 region.
15 Chiquita Canyon has been a significant
16 member and supporter of the community, and we have
17 recognized them with the business of the year award and
18 also the community partner award. We must allow
19 Chiquita to continue the business operations and allow
20 them to be a model facility that the residents of our
21 valley as well as the County know Chiquita to be.
22 We are pleased to stand behind Chiquita
23 Canyon as they have shown due diligence in addressing
24 all issues. Please support Chiquita Canyon along with
25 the rest of the community and businesses of this valley.
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1 Thank you for your time.
2 MR. SMITH: Thank you very much. And just a
3 quick reminder for folks waiting for your turn to speak.
4 Feel free to fill in the empty chairs as they become
5 available. Thank you.
6 MR. STATER: Good evening. Thank you for
7 the -- thank you for the opportunity to present. I'm in
8 support of the Chiquita Canyon Landfill. My name is
9 Kelly Stater. I'm vice president of American Integrated
10 Services. We are a small minority business located in
11 LA County. We use the services of Chiquita Canyon and
12 have done so for over ten years.
13 We're an 18 year company that has grown and
14 prospered even through the tough economic times, and
15 Chiquita has helped us with that. We found that
16 Chiquita has provided us with safe, efficient and cost
17 effective solutions to support our construction
18 services. We frequently operate during non-peak hours.
19 And -- to meet our clients needs, including
20 the City of LA and LA Department of Water and Power. In
21 there we find that we can -- they provide us with their
22 services, disposal services in there so we can avoid
23 traffic and cause less issues and stuff and less carbon
24 footprint in there.
25 And it is common that we do run and
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1 transport waste to this facility at odd hours, and over
2 transporting significant amounts of waste over short
3 periods of time. And so they allow us the flexibility
4 in there to get in at different hours and support our
5 project so we can get in and out.
6 One client of ours is Caltrans which runs
7 all over the Southern California in there. And we work
8 at night a lot moving asphalt and concrete and stuff to
9 Chiquita. And they allow us that flexibility that other
10 landfills do not.
11 In closing, Chiquita benefits us and all of
12 our requirements and stuff, and allows us to grow and be
13 competitive as a company and serve our clients like the
14 City of LA. Thank you.
15 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
16 MR. WOODS: Good evening. My name is
17 Curtis Woods. I'm the immediate past chairman of the
18 board for the Santa Clarita Valley Chamber of Commerce.
19 As a leading business organization of the Santa Clarita
20 Valley, Santa Clarita Valley Chamber stands steadfast in
21 its support for the continued operations of Chiquita
22 Canyon Landfill.
23 They have been recognized by the Chamber and
24 other organizations because they run a clean, safe
25 operation and are among -- and are a strong community
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1 partner. Each year the Chamber conducts a leadership
2 academy. As part of that educational curriculum our
3 members get an overview briefing on the landfill and
4 tour their operations firsthand.
5 I can tell you that everyone that visits
6 Chiquita knows it's the best run landfill they could
7 possibly imagine, and are impressed with how well it's
8 run. The waste from our homes and our business have to
9 go somewhere, and it should go to a well respected
10 location with a strong environmental record. That
11 location is Chiquita Canyon.
12 We ask that the Commissioner approve
13 allowing Chiquita Canyon to move forward with its
14 operation as it currently exists today. This isn't an
15 expansion plan, it's a continuation plan. In 2016
16 Chiquita took in 2.8 million tons of waste. That's
17 equivalent to an FDEIR study and it should be the
18 baseline for your approvals today.
19 The Santa Clarita Valley and LA regions are
20 only growing more so that they should be able to base
21 your -- be the base you consider for future operations.
22 Without approval of Chiquita Canyon our waste will be
23 driven miles out of our county and increasing greenhouse
24 gas emissions. We know that -- we know that we have
25 Chiquita Canyon. Let's keep it open. Thank you very
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1 much.
2 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
3 MR. GLASER: The next five speakers are
4 Patti Skinner Sulpizio, Lloyd Carder, Joe Phillips,
5 Carmillis Noltemeyer, and Sally White.
6 MR. SMITH: If you heard your name, please
7 feel free to come forward. First two folks can take a
8 seat in the front. And if you want to have a seat in
9 these other seats while you wait.
10 MS. SULPIZIO: All right.
11 MR. SMITH: Welcome.
12 MS. SULPIZIO: I'm Patti Skinner Sulpizio.
13 I'm the Region One regional vice chair of the Los
14 Angeles County Democratic Party Central Committee
15 representing the 36 and 38th Assembly Districts. You've
16 already heard that the Los Angeles Democratic Party
17 adopted a resolution opposing the landfill expansion.
18 The chair of our party recently submitted a
19 letter to -- with the last hearing restating that
20 position and opposing the waiver and demanding a closure
21 plan. I don't need to go into all that Democratic Party
22 stuff because it's been said. So I'm going to speak as
23 a resident, as a homeowner, as a mother, as a
24 grandmother.
25 And the way I came about -- I'm one of the
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1 co-authors of that resolution. Why did I write that
2 resolution and go to my party for assistance? Because
3 the people here in this community opposing this landfill
4 have no voice. I learned about the expansion request at
5 a city council meeting, City of Santa Clarita.
6 Val Verde residents were begging the council
7 members to support them against the expansion and my
8 city council refused. They said it's outside their
9 jurisdiction, but ironically the city council members in
10 this city started their public careers opposing the
11 Elsmere Canyon Landfill.
12 They said that they can't oppose this
13 because it's outside of their jurisdiction. But clean
14 air, clean water, traffic problems, property values
15 don't stop by a city line. Follow the money. The city
16 council members and all of our elective representatives
17 are Republicans.
18 The Republican party today and the landfill
19 lobbyists paid for these green T-shirts and green hats.
20 The people in this room, the residents of Val Verde, the
21 residents of Santa Clarita Valley proper, we have no
22 money backers. All we have is each other. And this is
23 our home.
24 And we're asking you to protect our health,
25 our lifestyle, our quality of living, our property
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1 values and our families, our children, and our homes.
2 And that's what's important here. Not the money that
3 the landfill can spread to the charities, the
4 non-profits. They are silenced by the money.
5 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
6 MS. SULPIZIO: Thank you.
7 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
8 MS. WHITE: My name is Sally White, and I'm
9 here as a citizen of the Santa Clarita Valley since
10 1968, as well as a member of many different
11 organizations. Like the blind man assessing an
12 elephant, one could consider Chiquita from many
13 different perspectives. There are positive benefits
14 accrued to creating a profit for a large corporation's
15 shareholder value that benefits many people. And year
16 to date I noticed that they had a profit of 12.09%.
17 This company invested in Val Verde amenities
18 and in non-profits in the community. That's very good
19 PR and that also benefits all of those people. And
20 there's a value of the service that they provide to
21 Southern California communities because they're taking
22 the trash out of their areas, and it's just getting it
23 up here by us. But it removes it from those
24 communities.
25 On the other hand, the cost is totally borne
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1 by the residents of Val Verde and the Santa Clarita
2 Valley. The impact to our air quality, the impact to
3 the I-5 traffic, the reduction of quality of life for
4 all residents, potential impact to the Santa Clara River
5 and local aquifers. It is also very close to an
6 earthquake fault.
7 Damage to the health of -- health of the
8 residents of nearby communities, illness, and reduced
9 longevity, and lowered property values. And again
10 there's the matter of social justice. Should Val Verde
11 and the Santa Clarita Valley have to bear the cost of
12 all of this that results in good for a few people but
13 much harm to those residing in the Valley?
14 The wisdom of Solomon should not be required
15 here. How would he divide up this? How will you? An
16 easy decision. People first and then profit. Thank
17 you.
18 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
19 MR. PHILLIPS: Hello. My name is Joe
20 Phillips. I am a volunteer member and board member for
21 the Sierra Club. And as an environmentalist I applaud
22 the landfill manager with their environmental attempts.
23 And the sustainability that they've addressed is
24 certainly a good -- good positive press. But a deal is
25 a deal. A contract is a contract. There is some sort
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1 of agreement that the landfill was going to be closed at
2 a certain tonnage, at a certain date. And what's wrong
3 was sticking to that plan?
4 Additionally, the problems that we've had in
5 the San Fernando Valley because of the Aliso Canyon
6 methane blowout brings to mind the air quality problem
7 that we have persisting everywhere. And the additional
8 methane gas that's going to be produced is going to be
9 both -- from both sites is going to be potentially a
10 problem.
11 Once again, I'm a volunteer board member,
12 but I'm a human being just along with everybody else.
13 We need to protect our air quality, we need to protect
14 our water quality. And I appreciate your time. Thank
15 you.
16 MR. CARDER: Good evening. My name is
17 Lloyd Carder. I am the president of the Castaic Area
18 Town Council, but I am not here speaking on their
19 behalf. I'm speaking on the behalf of the residents
20 that elected me with my opposition to the landfill
21 expansion. I'm also a registered Republican. So this
22 is not a party issue.
23 You've heard many people talk about the
24 contract that was worked out between the residents of
25 Val Verde and the community of Castaic and the community
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1 of Santa Clarita. I have a letter stating the members
2 that were on that committee, and they were just not just
3 members of the VVC, they were members of the complete
4 Santa Clarita area, valley area.
5 The other issues I'd like to talk about is
6 one of them pertaining to the misleading and false
7 content of the fact that they don't have to follow the
8 One Valley One Vision program plan. As you guys should
9 know, the County has adopted the One Valley One Vision
10 plan for the unincorporated areas.
11 And that vision plan is extensive and it
12 actually has abilities to control the types of expansion
13 they're talking about and height restriction to the
14 mountains and the hillside protection.
15 One of the things that I'd also like to
16 point out tonight is that we've had a new issue arise in
17 that area, a tract in the industrial park that's being
18 developed. Some of you know this already, that we have
19 a significant area of landslide issues. The 114 acre
20 expansion they're asking for north of the project is an
21 extreme landslide issue.
22 And that is under County planning and they
23 have issued an extreme notice that any development in
24 those areas will be extremely criticized and looked over
25 in detail. Obviously I'm done. Thank you.
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1 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
2 MS. NOLTEMEYER: Before you start my time,
3 please stop the pounding that's going on. It's just
4 keeping the people from being heard and it's very, very
5 annoying. So if you can just make them stop that. Or
6 if you can't control it then stop this meeting and start
7 it over at a later date. It's up to you.
8 MR. SMITH: I'm going to take this
9 opportunity to once again please remind folks to keep
10 the comments down, to not have outbursts. I know that I
11 recommended the snapping. I wasn't aware of how good
12 you all were at that. And so that was my mistake. In
13 fact, your skills are so incredible that it is more
14 distracting. So maybe you can try raising the roof or
15 jazz hands or something.
16 MS. NOLTEMEYER: They're still doing it now.
17 Either they stop or we move to another --
18 MR. SMITH: Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate
19 everyone's quick input. Some of what's happening is
20 breathing into the microphone, some of the pounding
21 you're hearing.
22 MS. NOLTEMEYER: I find that very
23 distracting, them pounding in the back. That's not a
24 show of support. It is just annoying.
25 MR. SMITH: I appreciate -- I know there's a
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1 lot of noise that's going on. I'd like to everyone to
2 do what they can, try to be quiet and respectful so that
3 we can all speak. At this point I'm going to invite you
4 to begin your comments. Thank you.
5 MS. NOLTEMEYER: All right. Carmillis
6 Noltemeyer. I'm also a board member of Santa Clarita
7 Organization for Planning and the Environment. And
8 let's bring this back to what it's supposed to be, and
9 that's looking at what really happened and not about
10 politicians of either party. I'm a Republican.
11 I don't agree with the three that came up
12 here and supported this. But I bet anybody that did and
13 the ones in the green shirts if you ask them have all
14 received money from the Chiquita company. And all you
15 have to do is look at the donations to the individuals.
16 So let's get back to what is really going on
17 here. I have copies of these letters which I will give
18 you. But at the last meeting you had you did the same
19 thing you're doing now. You never addressed the fact,
20 the former CUP and that the -- and you acted as though
21 it just didn't exist like you're just -- your new one is
22 the only thing there. No, the old one, it should be
23 guiding what you are doing right now.
24 The -- you never said that it existed. You
25 ignored that the former CUP had already been violated.
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1 The fact that they were operating under a limited
2 waiver, which you are now actually operating under a
3 limited waiver. And I have a copy of it. They have
4 already violated the humanity. And this should be made
5 public and all of that should've been including in the
6 presentations that were made here.
7 And I had to get this information by public
8 records. And I have just the letters of where I
9 requested it. And I ask that that be included in the
10 documents this evening. And I have it again for you. I
11 also want to read what -- the original 1997 Conditional
12 Use Permit. It limited it to 23 million tons or
13 November 24th, 2019.
14 The March 17 waiver granted by Richard
15 Bruckner with conditions also should be part of your
16 records and that should be presented to the public as
17 the legal document of this whole hearing. The original
18 January 25th, 2007 Chiquita Landfill closure process was
19 in -- also is something that I requested by a public
20 records. And that should be included that there is
21 already a closure process for the Chiquita Landfill.
22 And that is what should be done right now.
23 MR. SMITH: Thank you very much.
24 MS. NOLTEMEYER: The landfill closure should
25 take place now.
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1 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
2 MR. GLASER: The next five speakers --
3 MR. SMITH: Mr. Glaser, I'm sorry, if I
4 could interrupt you.
5 MR. GLASER: Oh, yeah.
6 MR. SMITH: I want to take a five minute
7 break. We're nearly two minutes in and our court
8 reporter is doing a tremendous job and I imagine you
9 need a break so -- as do others of us. So we're going
10 to take a five minute break and -- let's do a seven
11 minute break and reconvene at 8:00 p.m. Thank you.
12 (Recess taken from 7:52 to 8:03.)
13 Welcome back everyone. If you can take your
14 seats, finish up your conversation, we're going to get
15 going again. We're going to go ahead and get started.
16 Those of you in the back, if you can please wrap up your
17 conversations, we want to get going again and continue
18 our public comment. One more time, if I can have
19 everyone's attention, please.
20 We are losing the opportunity to speak.
21 Thank you, everyone. Thank you. We're coming back.
22 Before we resume public comment I want to make a couple
23 of announcements real quick. The first is if you could
24 please when you come forward to do public comment, if
25 you can do your best to speak about six inches away from
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1 the microphone, I think that's going to help some of the
2 reverberation and the noise that we're hearing. It's a
3 tricky mike.
4 I know sometimes you get up there and it
5 shocks you at how loud it is, and you're too far away we
6 can't hear you. So I know it's tricky, but if you can
7 please try to speak about six inches away from the mike,
8 I think that will help all of us hear and understand
9 what's going to happen.
10 The other thing that I need to announce is
11 that we -- we lose this room at 9:30. So there are a
12 number of you that we still need to hear from, if you
13 still are eager to hear from. We do have to end the
14 public hearing, a hard stop at 9:30. So again, if you
15 can please do your best to avoid interruptions and
16 outbursts.
17 And all of those things just contribute to
18 the delay and may result in your neighbors and other
19 stakeholders not having an opportunity to speak at this
20 hearing. So please, 9:30. We have a big stack. And
21 with that I'm going to ask that we invite the next five
22 speakers forward.
23 MR. GLASER: Yes. The next five are
24 Mike Mohajer, Dave Bossert, Sandra Cattell,
25 Armando Flores, and Terri Harrah.
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1 MR. SMITH: Welcome.
2 MR. BOSSERT: All right. Can you hear me?
3 Okay. Good evening. My name is Dave Bossert. I'm the
4 president of the West Ranch Town Council. Tonight I
5 come before you as both the West Ranch Town Council
6 President, as well as a long time resident of the Santa
7 Clarita Valley, who is in full support of the Chiquita
8 Canyon Landfill expansion.
9 The West Ranch Town Council voted
10 unanimously to support Chiquita two years ago, and we
11 recently reaffirmed that support with yet another
12 unanimous vote two weeks ago. Chiquita Canyon has been
13 providing an important service to the homes and
14 businesses of the Santa Clarita Valley. And this
15 expansion will ensure that the landfill can continue to
16 responsibly meet the solid waste needs.
17 Chiquita Canyon has built a reputation for
18 handling the area's solid waste needs in an
19 environmentally conscientious manner, monitoring the
20 environmental parts and related impacts to ensure the
21 valley's natural resources are protected. There's no
22 question that this is a good, sound, environmentally
23 sensitive project, being thoughtfully managed for the
24 future of our communities.
25 Yet there's a small, small, but vocal group
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1 of bullies that have tried -- and they're here tonight,
2 by the way, because they're shouting down the speakers,
3 which really is a violation of my right to speak. So
4 they're going to continue to yell and laugh. But these
5 are the bullies that are passing out bogus information,
6 making threats, spreading rumors and outright lies.
7 This is why the West Ranch Town Council who
8 represents more than 18,000 residents looks to the
9 County for determining the issues related to trash
10 tonnage. We applaud the ongoing efforts of Chiquita
11 Canyon Landfill to manage and process the solid waste
12 needs for the region in a responsible and safe manner.
13 Thank you. I have copies for -- to give to you.
14 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
15 MR. MOHAJER: Chairman, members of the
16 Commission, my name is Mike Mohajer. I'm a private
17 citizen and I do not represent any public or private
18 organizations. I am a professional civil engineer and
19 have been involved with the solid waste management over
20 the past 40 years. I have reviewed the draft EIR,
21 submitted comments back in July of 2014.
22 I was not given any notification of the
23 partly recirculated draft EIR and -- which is quite
24 disturbing to me, but -- because it is disturbing due to
25 the number of legislation which took effect -- was
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1 passed last year and it took effect January of this
2 year. Very specifically, SB-32, SB-32, not AB.
3 SB-1383, SB-32 requires the green waste emission to be
4 reduced 40% below 1990 level.
5 So when Mr. Dean refers that they did a
6 study of greenhouse gas emission beyond 2020, they
7 didn't go far enough because that is a state law. So
8 that's a failure of one thing in the CEQA document.
9 Also, SB-1383 requires 75% of organic waste reduction by
10 2025. The slide that was presented earlier by the
11 Public Works shows that they need 9 million ton of
12 disposal. Not generation, disposal.
13 If you assume 75% of that waste is organic
14 and you have to reduce it by 75 -- additional 75%, that
15 accounts 4 million tons, and that is the maximum
16 disposal tonnages that LA County is allowed under state
17 law. Otherwise all jurisdiction are subject to $10,000
18 penalty a day.
19 So request of the Chiquita for this
20 significant capacity is unjust. I have sent six pages
21 letter, have gone over this. I can't go over real
22 critical issues that is lacking, but I also question
23 some of the data that Mr. Dean put on that screen, and I
24 want to have opportunity to discuss those as well.
25 Thank you.
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1 MR. SMITH: Thank you very much.
2 MS. CATTELL: Good evening. Sandra Cattell
3 with the CR Club. A lot of information has come out
4 that I will not go back over because I want to save
5 time. But I have to tell you from my perspective it's
6 very interesting. I see the fors and the against. The
7 fors will talk about how wonderful this place Chiquita
8 Landfill is. It's been here for 50 years. If you visit
9 it, and I have, it looks good.
10 We need a place to put trash. And John
11 Musella is a nice guy. He's the chair of the Chamber of
12 Commerce. And also Chiquita Canyon has donated lots of
13 money to local organizations, businesses -- excuse me.
14 Not businesses -- and politicians, and actually a lot
15 more in the last two years.
16 And you will find that those organizations
17 and a lot of Chamber businesses and politicians are all
18 here to support their expansion. If you listen to the
19 people speaking against, they are here speaking from
20 their gut. They're going to talk to you about community
21 trust and environmental justice. They have concerns
22 about the proximity to the Santa Clara River, to their
23 homes and to their businesses.
24 They'll talk to you about how much more
25 traffic there's going to be with twice the tonnage.
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1 They're going to talk about water quality. By the way,
2 liners do leak, no matter what Chiquita tells you.
3 They'll talk to you about their air quality and they
4 will talk to you about the odor which exists, and their
5 quality of life has been damaged. There's been 20 years
6 to solve this waste problem.
7 And by the way, I heard them talk about the
8 in-County need. Over the last ten years it's been a lot
9 more than 2% has come in from out of County. They gave
10 you one year. Look at the last ten years. Thank you.
11 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
12 MR. FLORES: Good evening. My name is
13 Armando Flores and I am with VICA, the Valley Industry
14 Commerce Association. We are a business organization.
15 We represent over 400 businesses, including those in the
16 Santa Clarita Valley and those in the Los Angeles
17 region. I'm here tonight to express VICA's support for
18 the continuation of Chiquita Canyon as a regional
19 facility.
20 No one loves landfills, but of course they
21 are absolutely necessary. And Chiquita in contrast to
22 other landfills is one of the best operated landfills in
23 Southern California. Its exemplary regulatory record is
24 a testament to its concern for reducing its impacts as
25 much as possible. And we need Chiquita.
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1 As you probably know, only 30% of the trash
2 it receives comes from Supervisorial District 5, with
3 63% coming from other LA County districts. This means
4 that it is a regional facility, not a local one, and
5 that it serves the entire County. VICA is not looking
6 for the landfill to be able to do anything more than
7 what it is already doing, whether you measure that in
8 tonnage or truck trips.
9 We understand that the Conditional Use
10 Permit that staff has proposed will limit tonnage to
11 substantially below what the landfill accepted in 2016,
12 that it would place operational restrictions on it that
13 would reduce its ability to limit impacts on local
14 neighbors and would add fees that it would not be
15 competitive with out of County landfills.
16 This makes no sense. Chasing trash out of
17 the County will mean longer and more truck trips and
18 would divert revenue from tipping fees and outside the
19 County. Thank you for your time.
20 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
21 MS. HARRAH: Hi. My name is Terri Harrah,
22 and I was not six inches from the mike. I am the
23 programs and development director for Val Verde Civic
24 Association, but I am not here for that. I am here
25 because I'm also a resident. I have a question. The
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1 fourth district commissioner is not here; is that
2 correct?
3 MR. SMITH: That seat is currently vacant.
4 MS. HARRAH: Okay. So that seat is vacant.
5 So who am I talking to? You two or everybody?
6 Mr. Smith?
7 MR. SMITH: The four of us.
8 MS. HARRAH: The four of you. Okay. Thank
9 you. Just wanted to clarify. There were a couple of
10 issues that I wanted to bring up. One is that there
11 just seems to be this idea that the landfill is going to
12 become sustainable, which there hasn't been given a
13 single example of that. The one example that they like
14 to pull out is that they have the converter that they
15 turn the methane into energy.
16 And they do that, but somebody pays them to
17 use their machine there and then they give the energy to
18 Pasadena. Santa Clarita doesn't benefit from that at
19 all. If they had any integrity at all for this town
20 besides the money that they use to keep people
21 supporting them, they would do the right thing and move
22 forward in renewable energy. That's where the world is
23 headed.
24 San Francisco has had a policy going for the
25 last decade -- actually they're going for zero waste
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1 altogether. And they've been very successful at that.
2 The County of LA, that you have nothing on that is --
3 kind of dismays me. As a citizen, as a LA County
4 citizen, as someone who actually moved here when the
5 landfill opened in 1972, that was 46 years ago. It's a
6 long time to be here.
7 And Santa Clarita has had this burden for a
8 very long time. More the energy I wanted to talk about,
9 and the fact that we're dealing with a $14 billion
10 dollar company. Not a $14 million dollar company,
11 $14 billion dollars. That's a lot of money. It's a
12 small town and we're sick of it. Thank you.
13 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
14 MR. GLASER: The next five speakers are
15 Lois Bauccio, Christopher Walters, Victor Lindenheim,
16 Steve Lee, and Ron Saldana.
17 MR. WALTERS: Hello. My name is Christopher
18 Walters. And it is my belief that the Chiquita Canyon
19 Landfill should not be expanded under any circumstances.
20 As I understand it, we had 66 days in 2014 with a
21 hazardous PM 2.5 rating. 66 days. That's unacceptable.
22 If we use the Mesquite Landfill that would
23 cut down on these health risks significantly, as well as
24 traffic, as well as the negative environmental impact.
25 There's no reason other than a financial one not to make
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1 this change. The Chiquita Canyon Landfill is putting
2 the lives of our residents at risk. There are children
3 living in nearby communities, there are homes and
4 potentially even a school within a thousand feet.
5 I for one want to see all these kids grow up
6 with healthy lungs, a strong heart and cancer free. I
7 doubt there's anyone here who doesn't want that for the
8 children of our community. Any support for this
9 expansion is blatantly putting financial considerations
10 ahead of the health and well-being of the people of this
11 community, ahead of the health and well-being of the
12 children of this community. And that's a position that
13 I cannot in good conscience support. Thank you.
14 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
15 MR. LEE: I'm Steve Lee from Val Verde.
16 First I would like to say that the quality of my life
17 has been greatly diminished. This landfill has been
18 detrimental to Val Verde's moral and physical health.
19 The raspy breath you hear now has been for the last
20 seven weeks.
21 The landfill has more complaints per capita
22 than Sunshine. Imagine how many complaints there would
23 be if the post office was allowed to complain. The
24 landfill pays for our silence with large donations.
25 Here is a letter from Joe Messina saying coming out.
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1 They put all the Republicans in office, they pay for all
2 the businesses. Come out. We have been told to be
3 quiet. These are Bossert's articles where he calls us
4 bullies, terrorists. I'm looking for all of them.
5 We should be arrested and we're wackos.
6 This is -- his articles are in here. Before he got
7 funded by the landfill, his paper, he was against the
8 landfill, he was upset, he was glad that they did not
9 put in a high school in the stench of the dump. Once
10 Chiquita Canyon gave him money his song changed.
11 This is John Musella, the paid lobbyist and
12 the contractor for the landfill. These are all his
13 articles calling us bullies. This is John Musella's
14 fake flyer he made pretending to be the Val Verde Civic
15 Association. And on top he says don't let them take
16 your money, come and vote tonight. We voted, 100% voted
17 to close them down. Over 100 people showed up. They
18 were upset.
19 This is a person they hired to make a
20 commercial for them. Kamera. He was the president, he
21 resigned as president. Though before he resigned this
22 is the letter he sends. He made a commercial for the
23 landfill. You better stop pursuing the shutting down of
24 Chiquita against the County or people will be deported
25 from town. There will be mass deportation.
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1 You will lose your job, Steve Lee, and these
2 people will get tickets from the County on their houses.
3 These are all the illegal stuff they have on the
4 landfill, the receipts. EPA says they're good, they're
5 reliable. This is a letter from the County saying why
6 they should take the illegal stuff. Because it's not
7 specifically mentioned in the CUP.
8 I realize, and it's been apparent to us with
9 all the articles that Val Verde is scum, that we are the
10 dirt of the earth. Please hold them to the contract to
11 23 million tons that they made with Val Verde and the
12 County. The County was at the table and hammered it
13 out. I am begging that they take the superior
14 alternative. In here, 18.5 that says close them down.
15 It will be cleaner air. That is a superior alternative.
16 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
17 MR. LEE: Please give the scum a chance to
18 breathe.
19 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
20 MR. LINDENHEIM: Good evening. My name is
21 Victor Lindenheim. I represent the Golden State Gateway
22 Coalition. I'm here tonight to express our
23 organization's support of Chiquita Canyon Landfill's
24 request to continue its operations. The Golden State
25 Gateway Coalition is a non-profit organization based in
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1 Santa Clarita, focused on improving roadway
2 transportation, North Los Angeles County.
3 With emphasis on the Interstate 5.
4 Transportation and waste management are linked
5 infrastructure elements that when functioning
6 effectively and efficiently contribute to our north
7 County community's quality of life. In fact, nearly a
8 billion dollars in improvements are planned for the
9 Santa Clarita Valley's segment of the I-5 in the next
10 few years, including major capacity and safety
11 enhancements.
12 The need for and the benefits of continuing
13 this regional landfill's operations were carefully
14 considered and supported by the conclusions of the
15 studies cited in the final Environmental Impact Report.
16 We've also seen extensive community outreach and
17 community input solicited by the operator leading to
18 these conclusions.
19 The final EIR in its section on traffic and
20 transportation concludes that there would be minimal
21 permanent impact on on-site and off-site traffic
22 circulation and access. In fact, we are concerned that
23 without an operating regional landfill in this area our
24 waste will be transported out of town, dramatically
25 increasing truck traffic, vehicle miles traveled, and
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1 increasing greenhouse gas emissions.
2 Without Chiquita Canyon Landfill, thousands
3 of truck trips would be added to already congested LA
4 County freeways and highways trying to move the trash
5 out of the County to other landfills. In closing, I
6 would note that the Chiquita Canyon Landfill has been a
7 consistently responsible neighbor, operating in this
8 community for 50 years.
9 Based on his historical performance and
10 their open communications regarding the proposal for
11 continuing operation, we expect the operators to
12 continue to meet and be responsive to the needs of the
13 communities and customers that they serve. Thank you.
14 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
15 MR. SALDANA: Thank you. Mr. Chairman,
16 members of the Commission, my name is Ron Saldana. I'm
17 the executive director of the California Waste and
18 Recycling Association. We represent a lot of the waste
19 haulers and recyclers in Southern California, and a lot
20 of those folks are small companies that depend upon
21 Chiquita Landfill to -- as a place to dispose of all of
22 our waste.
23 Industry continues to increase recycling and
24 diversion from landfills. However, only two significant
25 landfills as you know exist in LA County. And we also
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1 know -- recognize that no new landfill will probably
2 ever be permitted again in LA County so we pretty much
3 have to -- have to live with what we have.
4 Conclusion is we need Chiquita Landfill now
5 and we need it in the future. As we continue to recycle
6 and divert material we still end up with waste that must
7 go into a landfill. And there's some environmental
8 impacts associated with that also. We're talking about
9 trucks and street miles. How many miles do you have to
10 travel to discard your waste? What are the
11 environmental air impacts of that?
12 And I'd just like to add that there is some
13 good news coming, and it's already here in part, and
14 that is that we have state mandates and regulations that
15 are taking organics out of the landfill. Most of your
16 odor complaints come from organic disposal, green waste
17 and food waste. Green waste, yard clippings are used as
18 daily cover, landfill cover, and they'll be stopped very
19 soon. That will not be happening.
20 There will no longer be diversion credit for
21 that material. And food waste is being recycled in
22 greater amounts. And from commercial businesses, that
23 also we see residential food waste programs now coming
24 online. So we see a lot of the odor issues going away
25 from the landfill in the future by design -- by design.
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1 And I think that when all is said and done we need
2 Chiquita Landfill. Thank you.
3 MS. BAUCCIO: Six inches. Good evening
4 Commissioners. My name is Lois Bauccio. I'm the
5 president and CEO of the Santa Clarita Valley Chamber of
6 Commerce. Tonight I come before you to speak in favor
7 of keeping Chiquita Canyon operating business as usual.
8 The responsible management of solid waste --
9 MS. JONES: Please be respectful to the
10 speakers. You are using time.
11 MS. BAUCCIO: Thank you.
12 MS. JONES: Start over.
13 MS. BAUCCIO: Good evening, Commissioners.
14 My name is Lois Bauccio. I'm president and CEO of the
15 Santa Clarita Valley Chamber of Commerce. Tonight I
16 come before you to speak in favor of keeping Chiquita
17 Canyon operating business as usual. The responsible
18 management of solid waste is key to our growing region.
19 And keeping Chiquita Canyon operating into the future
20 with business as usual will address this issue.
21 Chiquita Canyon Landfill is regulated by
22 over two dozen government agencies. And after looking
23 at the tens of thousands of pages of reporting, we can
24 conclude that Chiquita runs a clean and safe operation.
25 Chiquita Canyon is a local business that contributes to
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1 the economy and was recognized as the business of the
2 year by the Chamber in 2014.
3 Local businesses have located and relocated
4 to the Valencia Commerce Center adjacent to the
5 landfill, knowing that Chiquita Canyon is a neighboring
6 business. We recognize the important role that Chiquita
7 Canyon plays in the Santa Clarita Valley and the region
8 as a whole.
9 The Santa Clarita Chamber of Commerce
10 supports the continued operation of the landfill which
11 will continue the region's ongoing partnership with the
12 company, and protect our solid waste needs now and in
13 the future. We ask that you approve Chiquita Canyon so
14 they may continue their business operations into the
15 future. And I thank you.
16 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
17 MR. GLASER: Next five speakers are Darrell
18 Park, Scott Smith, Steve Stallman, DeAndre Valencia, and
19 Erica Larsen.
20 MR. SMITH: As you come forward, I just want
21 to remind everyone once more that we have a hard stop
22 tonight. And you know, it's important when we take this
23 opportunity to come out into the community and hear from
24 folks and their concerns, it's very important for us to
25 be able to hear everyone who showed up tonight who
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1 wanted to speak.
2 Please, these types of interruptions are
3 what's preventing from hearing everyone. And we are
4 going through our speaker cards. So I need to ask you
5 to please refrain -- thank you.
6 You can go ahead.
7 MR. PARK: My name is Darrell Park. We're
8 here for one reason and one reason only. Money. It's
9 all about money. This is environmental racism. This is
10 rich white people telling poor people of color that you
11 have to take trash that's not yours. There is an
12 agreement that was signed. This landfill should already
13 be closed as of last June.
14 Anybody who wants to can see that signed
15 paperwork. And all of you have a fiduciary
16 responsibility to look out for the health and safety of
17 people in this County. Your presentation did not even
18 cover the fact that there's a beautiful landfill called
19 Mesquite that everyone in this room helped pay $400
20 million dollars for that's approved and ready to go.
21 Why aren't we using it? Money. Because the
22 people who spoke today in green shirts and green
23 stickers that are getting paid aren't going to get paid
24 in the new system. You have to look out for the health
25 and the welfare of the people in this community. It
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1 can't be rich white people forcing poor people of color
2 to be stuck with the trash. We need a better way, and
3 that way is Mesquite. Thank you.
4 MR. SMITH: Good evening. My name is Scott
5 Smith. I'm here as a representative of Williams Homes.
6 As builders we know that waste disposal is a vital
7 component of any region's societal needs in. And our
8 community's home to one of the cleanest solid waste
9 disposal landfills in the state.
10 Every one of us in this room creates waste.
11 We all recycle, reuse bags, and do our part for the
12 environment. At the end of the day we all create waste.
13 Chiquita Landfill has done -- has been able to safely
14 dispose our daily waste and keep this valley looking
15 clean.
16 And part of the facility as previously
17 stated, the process is to transform our waste into clean
18 energy while fulfilling the sanitary needs of our
19 community. Chiquita is a model facility and its
20 reputation precedes them. It's always easy to be
21 against something like a landfill, but it's something we
22 need.
23 And I urge you to stand with us tonight in
24 support of Chiquita Canyon and the ability of them to
25 maintain their operations. Thank you for your time.
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1 Thank you.
2 MS. LARSEN: Good evening. Thank you
3 Commissioners for being here. I was part of the team
4 that worked really hard to try to get you guys to one of
5 our hearings so it's really great to see you here. My
6 name is Erica Larsen. I am the communications chair of
7 the Val Verde Civic Association, although I'm speaking
8 on my own behalf.
9 What I'd like to talk about is something
10 that they left out of the presentation, which is about
11 the east ridge. They said that the north ridge and the
12 west ridge of that landfill was protected. On the east
13 ridge it however is not. The work face is already
14 exposed.
15 What exists on the east side is over a
16 thousand kids going to school, including my own. In one
17 of their tables, specifically the Figure 11.5 is the
18 maximum health impact and the cancer risk areas. There
19 is literally a cancer risk area that is the parking lot
20 of Live Oak Elementary School. If anybody has kids
21 going there, please raise your hand right now so they
22 can see you.
23 There are 558 kids going to that school, and
24 I think that's something we all need to take into
25 consideration here. This is a quote from Van Gogh
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1 Charter School that has to deal with -- that's next to
2 Sunshine Canyon Landfill. This is from the president of
3 their parent/teacher organization. "The odors that we
4 smell in the morning terrorize our morning routine.
5 Kids hold their noses when coming to class. We cannot
6 hold morning assembly. The smell is torture."
7 This school is two miles away from Sunshine
8 Canyon Landfill. SCVI, the charter school that my son
9 goes to, is not even a mile away from this landfill.
10 Live Oak Elementary, the reason why it's a cancer risk
11 area is because it sits below and the gas settles there.
12 That is like one mile away from this landfill border.
13 Please consider the fact that there are so
14 many residents that don't have a voice here tonight.
15 And it's our kids. And we cannot let this expansion go
16 through. They may say it's not Sunshine, but what if it
17 is? We are all screwed in Val Verde. Our homes will
18 not even be able to lived in if you allow this expansion
19 to go through.
20 You are sentencing residents of Val Verde,
21 Hasley Hills, Live Oak, anybody who's an employee of
22 Valencia Commerce Center to deal with odors on an
23 extreme level. Please don't -- please don't let this
24 landfill expand. Thank you.
25 MR. VALENCIA: Good evening. My name is
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1 DeAndre Valencia. I'm representing the Building
2 Industry Association of Los Angeles, Ventura County.
3 We're are the building development representing over
4 1100 member company who are in the business of building
5 homes. We're here to show support for Chiquita Canyon.
6 As we all know, they are a vital need for
7 our region's continued growth. As with growth for a
8 single family or multi-family comes additional waste
9 disposal needs. Our industry supports recycling, but
10 the fact remains that building the safe way currently
11 can't. Chiquita Canyon is known to be a safe
12 environmental reasonable landfill operation.
13 They take the landfill gas and generate
14 enough energy to power 10,000 homes. We hope you will
15 allow their operations to continue for years. So please
16 let's keep Chiquita Canyon Landfill open. Thank you.
17 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
18 MR. GLASER: Last call for Steve Stallman.
19 The next five speakers are John White, Tanya Hauser,
20 Andre Hollings, Bonnie Nikolai, and Flo Lawrence.
21 MR. SMITH: Welcome. State your name for
22 the record again.
23 MS. HAUSER: My name is Tanya Hauser,
24 H-a-u-s-e-r. I'm a Val Verde resident and I too live
25 there. It is my understanding that you were treated to
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1 a tour of Chiquita today. I wish that you could take a
2 tour of the Castaic post office when it smelled so bad
3 that employees can't each lunch outside. And by the
4 way, they're told by their union that they cannot call
5 in to complain.
6 Or tour the vicinity of Fire Station 143.
7 When the fumes waft in it is a new fire station. They
8 probably don't notice yet. So strong that a resident of
9 Hasley Hills at the last hearing stated she becomes
10 nauseous and has to shut up her home to keep the odors
11 out. I wish you could tour the Valencia Commerce Center
12 when the odors drift into that business park where my
13 husband works.
14 And then there are all the incidents in
15 between. During an eight month period of time in 2014
16 alone, 146 complaints were received by AQMD. Very hard
17 to verify all the way out in Val Verde. My fellow
18 Republicans who are wearing green hats and shirts, it's
19 my guess you might not be wearing those hats and shirts
20 if you or your loved ones lived or worked in the
21 vicinity of Chiquita.
22 And even more important, I have not heard
23 this said tonight, the landfills environmental report
24 states in health impacts I quote, "Cumulative projects
25 plus the proposed project would increase cancer risk by
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1 more than the 10 in 1 million threshold for residents,
2 workers and sensitive receptors near the landfill
3 Project Site, indicating a significant cumulative
4 impact."
5 The number is actually 15, 5 over the 10
6 threshold. Does this detail concern you and do you know
7 that? Have you read that? Please value the health of
8 humans more than the economic expediency of using
9 Chiquita. Thank you.
10 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
11 MR. LAWRENCE: Good evening, Mr. Chair,
12 Commissioners. My name is Flo Lawrence. I'm a resident
13 of Castaic, I've lived there for 20 years and I've
14 raised my sons there. I served for eight years on the
15 Castaic Area Town Council. I also served on the
16 Val Verde Community Advisory Committee, which is a local
17 oversight advisory board to the landfill.
18 I'm very familiar with Chiquita Canyon and I
19 support the proposal CUP 100%. And by the way, for the
20 record, I am a registered Democrat. There is not a good
21 cause in this valley that Chiquita Canyon's helping
22 hands have not stepped up and helped with the lifting.
23 And people are waving money, but they're
24 very generous. And I'll give you an example. A few
25 years ago the Powerhouse Fire ripped through this area.
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1 And one of the hardest hit was the Painted Turtle Camp
2 up on Lake Hughes. And that camp caters to kids with
3 terminal illnesses. And Mike Dean picked up the phone
4 and called the Painted Turtle and said I heard what's
5 going on, let us help.
6 What followed was a donation and a
7 fundraiser. He didn't have to do that. That's the kind
8 of people they are. They want to help our community.
9 And so I'd also like to point out quickly we keep
10 talking about expansion, and I think that's a little
11 misleading. They are not acquiring new land, they're
12 not moving their fences. They are operating within
13 their footprint to do what they're zoned for. They're
14 zoned as a Class 3 landfill.
15 So if you wheel your cans out to the curb,
16 it's got to go somewhere. And they do an exemplary job.
17 I got to see that on the VVCAC. Now there are those
18 that complain. I've seen people go take a tour and
19 never come back. But the people who continue to
20 complain won't even go and look at the landfill
21 operations. They won't even investigate what's going
22 on. They've never sought to learn the truth.
23 I understand. If you feel a landfill is
24 bad, there's nothing I can do to change your mind. But
25 I want to ask this question, can a landfill operate at
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1 the level of excellence? Yes, I want you to meet
2 Chiquita Canyon. Thank you.
3 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
4 MR. HOLLINGS: Good evening, Commissioners.
5 Thank you for this opportunity. My name is Andre
6 Hollings. And I am a long time resident of the Santa
7 Clarita Valley and I am here to speak in full support
8 for Chiquita Canyon continuing their business
9 operations. The need for and the benefits of continuing
10 the existing landfill operations at their current levels
11 are carefully considered and supported by the conclusion
12 of the studies cited in the county's final EIR.
13 In addition to your own reports, the Val
14 Verde Community Advisory Committee conducted their own
15 air sampling report in July of 2015. I would like to
16 quote the findings from that report. It stated the
17 following: "There was no indication that odorous
18 chemicals associated with landfills were negatively
19 affecting the Val Verde community. All concentrations
20 were low or not detected."
21 "Results for all the chemicals measured were
22 several orders of magnitude below the Occupational
23 Safety and Health Act permissible exposure limit. And
24 all chemicals that had an Office of Environmental Health
25 Hazard Assessment and Air Resources Board risk
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1 assessment health value were well below those values."
2 Lastly, their report also stated, "It is our
3 understanding that reported odors are intermittent and
4 can be fleeting."
5 Between this report and those analyzed from
6 the final EIR, we can all rest assured that the landfill
7 operations will continue to be safe in -- to be safe for
8 Chiquita's employees on-site as well as our neighbors.
9 Thank you. Once again I'm in full support of their
10 continuing operations. I'm here speaking on Andre
11 Hollings's behalf.
12 MR. SMITH: Please, we're not having side
13 conversations. We're going to have -- public record is
14 public comment and public testimony. We ask people to
15 state their name for the record and that's it.
16 You can go ahead.
17 MS. NIKOLAI: Thank you. My name is Bonnie
18 Nikolai. I'm on the Castaic Area Town Council, but I am
19 speaking for myself and my family this evening. The
20 Environmental Impact Report as it stands is based on
21 inaccurate scientific methods. Air quality tests were
22 not taken near the residences closest to the landfill,
23 and they were taken randomly without the landfill's
24 knowledge.
25 The landfill had clear knowledge of when the
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1 air quality tests were being administered. There was no
2 control, there was no comprehensive samples. I have
3 repeatedly asked Los Angeles County for a full scale
4 health study of the residents and the workers within a
5 two mile radius of the Chiquita Canyon Landfill.
6 Just by my own observations, Val Verde had a
7 cancer death rate twice the national average in 2016.
8 That alone should've warranted further study. Despite
9 the Environmental Impact Report largely being created on
10 conjecture, it still labeled particulate matter levels
11 as being unhealthful. Particulate matter that would
12 damage the lungs of Castaic's children.
13 The EIR also calls the shutting down of
14 Chiquita Canyon Landfill to be the environmentally
15 superior option. I'm asking you to choose the
16 environmentally superior option. Even if you ignore the
17 fact that the landfill continues to produce a rancid
18 odor, despite others being untruthful in the claims that
19 septic tanks are the culprit, you can't continue to
20 ignore that actual scientific data is lacking in this
21 document.
22 It was almost like this was done on purpose
23 to keep the public in the dark about the actual dangers
24 of living next to a landfill. Peer reviewed studies
25 from Europe state that landfills raise cancer rates,
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1 birth defect rates and asthma rates. None of these
2 studies are included in the EIR.
3 It is as if the supporters of the landfill
4 believe Val Verde don't -- that the residents of Val
5 Verde don't deserve to live with clean air. I'm asking
6 for the commission to ask for a further study and put my
7 neighbors' minds to rest. Thank you.
8 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
9 MR. WHITE: Good evening, Commissioners and
10 Chair. My name is John White. I'm co-owner of
11 Innovative Construction Solutions. We're a small
12 business operating throughout California, with the vast
13 majority of our work occurring in Los Angeles County.
14 We've been a customer of Chiquita Canyon for over
15 18 years and we provide excavation, grading, demolition,
16 and soil and groundwater remediation services.
17 We employ well over a hundred people within
18 the Los Angeles County area. And a lot of our projects
19 are projects where sometimes the soil cannot be reused
20 on a construction site. And Chiquita Canyon can provide
21 a safe, viable, and efficient facility to -- to dispose
22 of that material.
23 But they use it as beneficial reuse and
24 cover material on a daily basis. We also get rid of
25 many of our construction materials at Chiquita Canyon
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1 Landfill where several of those are used as a beneficial
2 reuse. This facility I've personally visited myself and
3 was impressed with the fact that it's a safe, clean and
4 efficient operating facility in my career.
5 And I would like to add -- I'd like to
6 finish by adding that the -- we support Chiquita
7 Canyon's operations for -- continued operations and
8 expansion in the future, and would like them to operate
9 with business as usual as they provide us in 2016.
10 Thank you.
11 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
12 MR. GLASER: Next five speakers are Andrew
13 Taban, Ingrid Blanco, Diane Trautman, David Menchaca,
14 and Nancy Oliver.
15 MS. TRAUTMAN: Good evening. Thank you.
16 Thank you for hosting me here. And I'm going to
17 respectfully request that if you have other hearings on
18 this issue that you conduct them out here. But I
19 appreciate you coming out.
20 I think you have to deny this CUP. The
21 County in every jurisdiction, it contributes waste to
22 this landfill, have an obligation to coactively solve
23 our solid waste problem without overburdening one
24 community, one valley. Under 17.4.2, evaluation in the
25 EIR, the argument is made that the project is not growth
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1 inducing, but in the response to the demand for
2 responsible solid waste management in Los Angeles
3 County.
4 In fact, CalRecycle lists 177 jurisdictions
5 located throughout all of Southern California down to
6 the Mexican border that have delivered trash to Chiquita
7 Canyon Landfill over -- since 1995. Those other
8 jurisdictions, particularly in other counties should be
9 required to manage their own waste. And that would
10 account for truck traffic. So it's coming to us. It
11 could be going somewhere else.
12 I urge the -- you all to deny the CUP, to
13 base it on the agreement that was forged with Val Verde
14 community in 1997. I think it's a violation of trust to
15 go back on that. And I found it kind of interesting
16 that Mr. Dean and others talked about restricting future
17 trash in that location to below what was accepted in
18 2016, when what was accepted in 2016 was actually a
19 violation of the agreement.
20 So that's not really a virtue to take it
21 down below there. So beyond the agreement itself is the
22 issue with air quality and greenhouse gases. We are
23 already a non-attainment zone in our valley for
24 particulate matter and other problems with our air. We
25 also need to be concerned about the existing and
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1 potential risks.
2 You've heard about potential damage to water
3 and biological resources. And as long as jurisdictions
4 can avoid the impacts, material and financially, and
5 redirect the solid waste streams to someone else's
6 neighborhood, there's no reason to have faith that
7 viable alternatives will be developed.
8 I urge you to look at San Francisco model.
9 Everyone has to step up and pay the true price for the
10 waste that they generate. Maybe then we'll actually
11 reduce the amount we throw away. Thank you.
12 MR. SMITH: Thank you, ma'am. And before
13 you leave, if I could ask you to please state your name
14 for the record.
15 MS. TRAUTMAN: Oh, I'm sorry. Diane
16 Trautman.
17 MR. SMITH: Thank you very much.
18 MS. TRAUTMAN: Thank you.
19 MR. MENCHACA: Good evening, Commissioners.
20 David Menchaca. I'm a resident of Santa Clarita Valley.
21 Chiquita Canyon has been serving the region continuously
22 for more than five decades and plays an important role
23 in the solid waste management of the Santa Clarita
24 Valley. There are two points that I wanted to touch on
25 tonight in order to request your support for their
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1 operations.
2 The first being the community activist role
3 that Chiquita has been playing in the Santa Clarita
4 Valley for nearly 50 years. They strive to work to help
5 the poor and underserved communities, as well
6 underprivileged children, including donating more than
7 $360 thousand dollars to Val Verde for scholarships,
8 tutors, and youth programs.
9 Secondly, the clean energy facility
10 environment protection system and responsible handling
11 of incoming solid waste reflects their long-time
12 commitment to being a good neighbor. After reviewing
13 the final EIR, it's clear that Chiquita is running a
14 clean and safe operation.
15 They have carefully considered any potential
16 noise, traffic, and cultural impacts of daily
17 operations. Please consider supporting their continued
18 operations that exist today. Thank you.
19 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
20 MR. TABAN: Hello. My name is Andrew Taban,
21 and I am a private citizen of Santa Clarita Valley. I
22 am here today to speak against the expansion of the
23 Chiquita Canyon Landfill. And I kind of would like to
24 actually start off as a quote that the CEO Chamber of
25 Commerce said it is business as usual. We see a lot of
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1 people here supporting the Chiquita Canyon Landfill,
2 many -- some of the elected officials, some non-profits.
3 I would like you to keep in mind though that
4 many of these groups and I believe all of your elected
5 officials here in Santa Clarita have received
6 contributions from the Chiquita Canyon Landfill,
7 including such as the letter I gave you.
8 Joe Messina, our District board member who
9 also said, "North corporate friends and partners to our
10 local Republican Central Committee to Chiquita Landfill,
11 who they also believe is studied by overburdensome
12 regulatory agencies in the County." What concerns me is
13 there there's a difference between private citizens here
14 today and billion dollar groups like the Chiquita Canyon
15 Landfill.
16 The difference is if I have a County rule
17 placed on me and I have about 20 years to do it, I
18 typically have to find a solution after those 20 years.
19 The Chiquita apparently does not. I have to follow the
20 rules because I don't have billions of dollars to pay
21 any regulations. Chiquita does. And I also have to
22 work with the Chiquita Landfill.
23 It smells. I have a very good friend who
24 lives there who has developed cancer after moving to the
25 landfill. What really concerns me is this is about
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1 integrity in government, which many people have lost.
2 And it is up to you to restore that integrity. I teach
3 a class and I teach high school students and I teach
4 them about local government, state government, and
5 central government, which includes many of you sitting
6 here today.
7 I teach them to have faith in our
8 government. It's not a laughing matter. It really
9 isn't. The reason is because that is your job. Now
10 please understand that these are kids and you do have a
11 job to uphold that integrity. Please don't let down
12 kids who are going to be voting at some point.
13 And please don't let them down to let them
14 know that big money is always going to win, and the
15 integrity of our government is not based on us, but it's
16 based on the money that you received. Thank you.
17 MR. SMITH: Before you begin, ma'am, couple
18 of quick reminders. The jazz hands are great and I
19 think it's working better than the snaps. But I'd like
20 to ask that you please stay in your seats because when
21 you stand up people behind you aren't able to see. So
22 this is great. But if you can stay seated, that will be
23 helpful for all of us.
24 I'd like to also remind everyone about the
25 six inches between yourself and the mike. It will
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1 really help ourselves. Thank you. You can go ahead.
2 MS. OLIVER: My name is Nancy Oliver. I'm a
3 Santa Clarita resident. In the presentation before the
4 public comments the gentleman provided that the
5 surrounding mountains of the Chiquita Canyon Landfill
6 would block the odors and the visuals. But what they
7 can't block is the significant particle pollution in our
8 air spreading across our valley.
9 And what is particle pollution? For those
10 who don't know what it is, it's called particulate
11 matter or PM. It's a mixture of solid liquid droplets
12 floating in the air. Some particles are released
13 directly from a specific source like Chiquita Landfill,
14 while others form in complicated chemical reactions in
15 the atmosphere.
16 And they come in a wide range of sizes,
17 sometimes as small as a -- smaller than a -- just a
18 strand of hair. But what are the health effects of this
19 particulate matter which is significant in our valley?
20 People with heart or lung diseases, older adults and
21 children are most likely to be affected by particle
22 pollution exposure.
23 However, even if you are healthy, you may
24 feel symptoms if you are exposed to high level of
25 particle pollution. Numerous scientific studies connect
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1 particle pollution exposed to a variety of health
2 issues, including irritation of the eyes, nose and
3 throat, coughing, chest tightness, shortness of breath,
4 reduced lung function, irregular heartbeat, asthma
5 attacks, heart attacks, premature death in people with
6 heart and lung disease.
7 In addition to the significant problem that
8 we have our air pollution, the landfill sits atop of the
9 valley groundwater where no soil testing has been
10 conducted. So why does this Valley's residents have to
11 be singled out to suffer for the benefit for the rest of
12 the County?
13 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
14 MR. GLASER: Last call for Ingrid Blanco.
15 And the next five speakers are Terri Knafla, Teri Byrne,
16 Barbara Myler, Stacy Fortner, and Daniela Bolanos. And
17 Ms. Bolanos will need Spanish translation.
18 MR. SMITH: You can go ahead and state your
19 name for the record and begin.
20 MS. BOLANOS: My name is Daniela Bolanos,
21 and I will be speaking in Spanish.
22 MR. SMITH: Great.
23 MS. BOLANOS: Good evening. My name is
24 Daniela Bolanos. My mother worked for Chiquita Canyon
25 for more than 15 years. I have personally seen how
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1 Chiquita Canyon supports their employees in the local
2 community. At the school they teach us about the
3 environment and the importance of recycling. It is a
4 good example of all these things.
5 Also, the garbage here, they convert it into
6 energy. They use recycling materials so the landfill
7 could look better. They help the local community with
8 money for schools and tutoring. I am very proud of my
9 mother and the company she works for. Thank you.
10 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
11 MS. KNAFLA: My name is Terri Knafla. And
12 I'm a 30 year resident of Santa Clarita Valley and also
13 a member of Soroptimist International, which is a
14 woman's group. And we -- I participate in a mentoring
15 group in Val Verde called the Gold Girls Program. And
16 we've been going up there for three years with the girls
17 and -- and very involved in their lives and with their
18 families.
19 And over these three years being at the
20 recreation center never has anyone ever approached us
21 and said anything about any odors or problems with the
22 landfills, nothing in the last three years. And I'm out
23 there every month and I've yet to smell anything or see
24 anything. We're really proud of these girls and their
25 families and all the time we spent with them.
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1 I've seen -- all I've seen is the positive
2 impact from Chiquita Canyon on the community from all
3 the scholarships and after school programs. We as our
4 mentorship program, we work to -- work with these young
5 girls on personal life skills, education, advanced
6 education, business and job opportunities, exposure to
7 the arts, government relations and more.
8 I hope that you approve Chiquita Canyon's
9 continuous operation. They're a good neighbor, they
10 produce clean energy, and it's a very -- it's a big
11 value to Val Verde. And I say that as firsthand being
12 out there for three years. Thank you.
13 MR. SMITH: Thank you very much. Before you
14 begin I just want to make a quick announcement. I just
15 want to make sure so that there are no surprises. As a
16 reminder, we have a hard stop unfortunately for this
17 room at 9:30. That's a half hour left, and we have over
18 50 cards remaining. So we need to get through as many
19 as we can.
20 I want to make sure that everyone is aware
21 of that fact as we're moving forward. So please, you
22 know, be succinct if you can and make sure that, you
23 know -- please have a seat. No, you can't ask me a
24 question at this time. I want to make sure that
25 everyone has an opportunity to speak. And public
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1 comment is the public record.
2 MS. FORTNER: Hi. Stacy Fortner. And I am
3 a registered Democrat for real. I just want to point
4 out for the record that the last person who was up here
5 who said that he is a registered Democrat is in fact not
6 a registered Democrat. I checked.
7 So when we're talking about integrity and
8 we're talking about being honest and being a part of a
9 community and part of an ecosystem where we have to rely
10 on each and trust each other's words, I think it's very
11 important that you recognize that Chiquita has not held
12 up their end of the bargain. In 1997 they entered into
13 an agreement which they have not honored.
14 I also wanted to point out that here in
15 Santa Clarita we deal with a number of issues. We're
16 kind of like the trifecta of potential catastrophes here
17 in Santa Clarita. We have Sunshine, we have Chiquita,
18 we have Whittaker Bermite, we have Cemex. We are like
19 the bonanza of environmental disasters here.
20 So I just wanted to point that out that we
21 really do not want the expansion of Chiquita. But you
22 can tell by the people in the room, they wear their
23 shame well. Green looks good on money, and it looks
24 good on the people in this crowd. And I just want to
25 say that, you know, it doesn't seem right that you can
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1 have an organization or a political party enter into a
2 room like this and have funded the audience essentially.
3 I also wanted to point out that I think that
4 Santa Clarita is a really cheap target. I think we're
5 selling ourself short. I mean how much are 70 bikes?
6 So I think that for a $12 billion dollar company, I
7 think that Santa Clarita, the Chamber, all of the
8 business organizations VIA, VICA, whoever you are, you
9 need to get more money from these people because you're
10 selling yourself too short.
11 You're a cheap thing. So I just wanted to
12 say that I oppose and I oppose it on a number of
13 reasons. And I think that you've heard it many, many
14 times in this room. Follow the money. Watch the green.
15 MS. MYLER: Good evening. My name is
16 Barbara Myler. I've been a resident of Santa Clarita
17 for 36 years. I've also volunteered with Chiquita
18 Canyon for 30 years in their generous partnership that
19 support our community. I'm here tonight as a cancer
20 survivor. I've been fighting cancer for years, and so
21 far I'm winning. Thankfully I'm still here today to
22 fight for Chiquita Canyon.
23 I've heard a lot of hurtful claims and
24 misleading information from landfill opponents of
25 Chiquita Canyon related to cancer claims. They are
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1 shamefully taking advantage of a life-threatening
2 disease and using it for their own personal vendettas
3 against the landfill.
4 In fact, after I spoke in December at the
5 hearing examiner meeting an opponent followed me out of
6 the building to yell at me walking to my car in the
7 dark. I'm personally heartbroken and offended that
8 people would use a disease that I fight every day as a
9 means to scare others.
10 I wouldn't wish cancer on my worst enemy,
11 and I certainly wouldn't use it to irresponsibly scare
12 the public. And yet landfill opponents made up a cancer
13 risk map, spreading it on social media. I'd like to
14 quote Dr. Cyrus Rangan, director of toxicology and
15 environmental assessment for the County of Los Angeles.
16 He said, "No such evidence of cancer
17 clusters or documented health concerns exist. Arrows on
18 the map that was spread on social media indicate sites
19 that were evidence was -- where evidence was collected,
20 not areas where any risks have been documented or
21 proven." Furthermore, County officials said that if
22 there was a record of past health concerns directly
23 linked to the project, it would've been an immediate red
24 flag.
25 I believe Chiquita Canyon is a safe
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1 facility, it's safe for its employees, and it's safe for
2 its neighbors. As a cancer survivor I ask you to
3 approve the landfill's request to continue its existing
4 operations so that it may continue business as usual.
5 We all create trash. It has to go somewhere. And
6 Chiquita Canyon is a gold star landfill with an
7 impressive reputation. Thank you.
8 MS. BYRNE: My name is Teri Byrne, and I
9 would like to yield my time to Shane Weeks, if that's
10 possible.
11 MR. SMITH: Has Mr. -- have you filled out a
12 comment card?
13 MR. WEEKS: Yes, I'm further down.
14 MR. SMITH: Great. Thank you.
15 MR. WEEKS: Hello. My name is Shane Weeks.
16 I live in the Live Oak community which has been grossly
17 overlooked in this whole deal here. I represent 12
18 families, and actually I see a few more people that
19 probably want me to speak on behalf of them. I'm not a
20 bully, I'm not here because I was mobilized by a
21 political party. I'm here as a resident.
22 There's a lot of talk about air quality, but
23 I can tell you the smell is real, it absolutely is real.
24 When the wind and humidity are right, you can smell it
25 at the school, you can smell it in the houses. And this
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1 is my community of Live Oak. And you can smell it at
2 the park. Yes, sometimes it's not overwhelming, but
3 sometimes you do get a pretty strong whiff of it.
4 You know, I understand some of you went on a
5 tour. You know, when I have family over yearly for a
6 holiday, you can better believe my house is perfect. It
7 doesn't represent how my house is for the rest of the
8 year. You know, there's a lot of talk about the green
9 energy the landfill has been producing. Well, of course
10 they're going to produce green energy because they make
11 a profit off of it.
12 This isn't being given back to the
13 community, the green energy, it's being sold. You know,
14 in 1965 there were a few homes around the community --
15 around the landfill, but now the community has grown.
16 This has happened to many other businesses across the
17 country. And as that happened, the businesses happened
18 to move further and further out. And unfortunately the
19 communities usually follow.
20 This isn't the time to increase capacity.
21 It is the time to decrease capacity of the landfill.
22 Waste Connections is a what, $12 billion dollar company?
23 We don't -- they've got millions to spend on PR. We're
24 a small community, we don't have the money to lobby, we
25 don't have the money to do public donations and
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1 outreach, we don't have the money to get a slick PR
2 firm.
3 I beg you don't overlook the Castaic
4 residents. I implore you, all of you or at least a few
5 of you, we need an advocate. Nobody's standing up for
6 some of these local residents. We're being bullied and
7 pushed around. And you know, I got to think about my
8 family, and I wish you guys would think about my family
9 and families around it. Thank you.
10 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
11 MR. GLASER: The next five speakers are
12 Jocelyn Bullock, Vanessa Brookman, Raul Isiordia,
13 Eduardo Reyes, Bill Miranda, and Christine Rangal.
14 MR. SMITH: Welcome.
15 MS. BULLOCK: Hello. My name is Jocelyn
16 Bullock. You know, we may have different points of
17 arguments from perspectives or belief, faith and
18 advocacy, but we must not hate each other. We are one
19 human family and we need to respect each other. We need
20 to treat each other with civility. Having said that, I
21 think this issue is bipartisan.
22 And like any logical, intellectual, want to
23 be an informed constituent, you want to find out what
24 the issue is about. I want to ask why I should vote for
25 this Chiquita Canyon. Now I just made it personal. I
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1 didn't want to make it about me, myself and my family,
2 but I'm making it personal. So I want you guys to know
3 that I'm voting no. I'd like you to urge that. My
4 husband, Michael Bullock, has been diagnosed with
5 idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis. Idiopathic because it's
6 an idiot. Nobody knows what the cause of it, except it
7 is borne by the environment.
8 Now if you live every day of your life
9 watching your significant other, a loved one be pushed
10 under the water because he cannot breathe, this is
11 something personal to me. So it is important for you
12 guys to know that this matters to me because it affects
13 me.
14 You cannot rob Peter to give it to Paul.
15 How many Peters are you going to rob? The means never
16 justifies the end. So please, this is personal to me,
17 it matters to me. Thank you.
18 MS. BROOKMAN: Good evening. My name is
19 Vanessa Brookman. I lived in Val Verde from 2005 to
20 2014. I was a past president for the Val Verde Civic
21 Community Advisory Committee for four years. I sat on
22 the board for a total of five. I was on the Castaic
23 Town Council for four years. And I also sat on the
24 Community Benefits Funding Committee in Val Verde that
25 disperses the funds that they get from Chiquita every
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1 year for two years.
2 So I have a pretty well rounded knowledge of
3 how the landfill works and how the community works
4 because of the landfill. I'm not used to sitting on
5 this side of the table. I'm sorry. To the best of my
6 knowledge, despite what few people have claimed, there's
7 actually little to no negative impacts on the community
8 of Val Verde at all. I lived there ten years.
9 I smelled the landfill one time in ten years
10 for about 45 seconds. That was it. Through the years
11 the landfill operators have been open and transparent.
12 The reports are quarterly. They're on the VVCAC website
13 for everybody to look at. The board offered training
14 sessions on how to read them if they didn't understand
15 what they said. Nobody ever took us up on those offers.
16 What I also learned from the president of
17 VVCAC was that there's a small group of local residents
18 that just want the landfill closed. It doesn't matter
19 why, it doesn't matter how. They just want it closed.
20 They aren't interested in listening to reason, nor are
21 they interested in facts. When local residents do hear
22 the facts they usually fully understand how it operates
23 and they don't have any more complaints.
24 Chiquita Canyon is a model facility and one
25 that should be appreciated. They've done a lot of good
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1 for Val Verde with their community funding over 20
2 years, and we're prepared to continue to do it more. My
3 son received a scholarship to college from these funds.
4 It allowed him --
5 MR. SMITH: Please, let's be respectful of
6 each other and allow each other to speak.
7 MS. BROOKMAN: Thank you. Because everybody
8 in Val Verde is also able to get those scholarships,
9 every single person who lives there. Our trash does
10 have to go somewhere. Chiquita is a good option. Thank
11 you.
12 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
13 MR. ISIORDIA: Good evening. My name is
14 Raul Isiordia. I have worked in landfills for 25 years,
15 five and a half of those years as an employee of
16 Chiquita Canyon. My coworkers and I are here tonight to
17 show we are healthy, happy, and depending on you to keep
18 Chiquita Canyon open and operational. I would like to
19 ask my fellow coworkers to stand.
20 Because I have worked on-site for so many
21 years, I can tell you without hesitation that Chiquita
22 Canyon is a safe place to work. Many of our employees
23 have worked at Chiquita Canyon 10, 20, and 30 years.
24 Some have families that work at Chiquita Canyon, and
25 some are second and even third generation Chiquita
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1 Canyon employees.
2 We love coming to work and we love the work
3 we do. None of us have any health problems. Working at
4 the landfill may sound like -- may sound like an
5 appealing -- not so appealing job, but my coworkers and
6 I think it's a great job I'm proud of to do, and I hope
7 to continue to do it for many years to come.
8 People say landfills smell. They don't.
9 The trash that comes into the landfill smells. That is
10 why at Chiquita Canyon our goal of our jobs every day is
11 to take in trash, eliminate trash smells by getting it
12 compacted and covered as quickly as possible. That's
13 what we do. Our families depend on our jobs at Chiquita
14 Canyon. Please support keeping Chiquita Canyon open,
15 operational with business as usual. Thank you.
16 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
17 MS. RANGAL: Good evening. My name is
18 Christine Rangal. Okay. We all need to stop fighting.
19 I have six proposals for alternatives to Chiquita
20 Canyon. But first, there is a giant body of water
21 28 miles from here called the Pacific Ocean. It's right
22 up the coast of Malibu. We should send all of our
23 garbage there.
24 No. 2, the Joshua Tree National Monument is
25 hundreds of square miles. I mean sure, it's an
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1 ecological preserve, but then we wouldn't have to smell
2 the garbage that we produced.
3 MR. SMITH: You know, the wasting of time
4 occurs when an interruption happens. Thank you.
5 MS. RANGAL: No. 3, let's dump our garbage
6 in the poorest neighborhoods. Us elitists shouldn't
7 have to deal with the garbage that we produce. We'll
8 give that to poor people to deal with. Besides, we
9 moved next to a landfill. And now that we bought our
10 homes here, we just decided that we don't like it.
11 No. 4, we can launch our garbage into space.
12 Space X just said that they're doing tours around the
13 moon. I'm sure that we can pay that bill. No. 5, can't
14 we just stop collecting our garbage? I mean I have
15 plenty of room in my kitchen, and I'm pretty sure that
16 that's kind of more ecologically friendly, right?
17 No. 6, if we really care about the
18 environment and our communities, we can just stop
19 consuming altogether. Okay. All joking aside, I'm here
20 tonight because I am grateful to Chiquita Canyon. They
21 have brought goodwill to this community. Their
22 employees and their families are here in green shirts
23 tonight. Please don't put them on the unemployment
24 line.
25 The rest of this country could only hope to
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1 have a landfill so environmentally and community
2 friendly. It's just garbage, not nuclear waste.
3 Opposing Chiquita Canyon is hypocrisy at its best.
4 Thank you.
5 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
6 MR. REYES: Good evening. My name is
7 Eduardo Reyes, and I'm just here to basically share my
8 life story and how Chiquita Canyon made an impact in my
9 life. For over 30 years my family has been working
10 there, including my grandfather and my uncle and dad who
11 currently work there. In fact, I worked there myself
12 when I needed to find a job to pay for my college
13 education.
14 This job helped me to pay my way through
15 college. And after graduating I was able to find a job
16 with Waste Connections. And now -- while working at
17 Chiquita I did hear and today I'm hearing stories about
18 how a lot of folks said that their health and their
19 lives have been affected by the landfill.
20 I am not a doctor, nor am I going to say I'm
21 one, but I can only say from my personal experience that
22 after my family working there for 30 years, none of us
23 had had any of the health issues. Sorry. I just had to
24 make sure they weren't doing the money sign. I just
25 wanted to say that it is because they have -- they work
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1 for a great company that has a great emphasis on
2 integrity and safety, which is what I'm really grateful
3 for because that's what kept my dad and most of the
4 employees from going to their families every night.
5 I do hope that you keep Chiquita operating
6 because they do provide a vital service to the community
7 and the County. And they do affect lives in a positive
8 way just like they did for me. Thank you for your time.
9 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
10 MR. MIRANDA: Good evening members of the
11 Commission. My name is Bill Miranda, and I'm a 30 year
12 resident of the Santa Clarita Valley and a member of the
13 Santa Clarita City Council. While I am not officially
14 representing the city, I'm here to speak in support of
15 Chiquita Canyon.
16 Prior to becoming a member of the council I
17 served on the Val Verde Community Advisory Committee at
18 the appointment of Supervisor Antonivich. There are two
19 things I can tell you. One, the landfill has been here
20 longer than most people have lived in the Santa Clarita
21 Valley or Val Verde.
22 Two, until Chiquita began working on the new
23 permit for the landfill, most people couldn't have told
24 you where the landfill was located or even if one
25 existed along Highway 126, which brings me to my third
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1 point. Chiquita is a well run landfill. So well run
2 that people don't notice it's even there. And while I
3 think that's a good thing, perhaps it has been a bad
4 thing for Chiquita Canyon.
5 So many people have been stirred up by -- to
6 believe the worst about the landfill when it simply
7 isn't true. When I was on the Val Verde Community
8 Advisory Committee the board had commissioned an air
9 quality study to help determine if there were any issues
10 with air quality from the landfill. The report came
11 back clean, just like all the other reporting the
12 landfill is required to do and share with the community.
13 I've toured the landfill and seen it up
14 close. I've read the reports. I've attended the
15 meetings. I support Chiquita Canyon continuing its
16 operation into the future. Thank you for your time.
17 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
18 MR. GLASER: The next five speakers are
19 Richard Humanic, Dallas Dockray, Abigail DeSesa, Susan
20 Evans, and Ken Brown.
21 MR. SMITH: If you heard your name called
22 please come forward. Have a seat. You'll have two
23 minutes. State your name for the record and you can
24 begin.
25 MR. HUMANIC: Yes. My name is Richard
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1 Humanic, and I live on Rangewood Road in Castaic --
2 actually Live Oak, about a block from the Live Oak
3 school. And I have watched some of the stuff that's
4 been going on here, and I've seen some of the data that
5 was put up there.
6 And one of the things that I noticed was is
7 that 55% of the trash that goes into Chiquita Canyon
8 Landfill comes from the City of Los Angeles. Now how
9 did it happen that Chiquita or we as a community can
10 accept 55% of the trash in that landfill when the City
11 of Los Angeles chose to shut down their half of Sunshine
12 Canyon landfill?
13 They had an opportunity to take that 55% of
14 that trash in their community and they refused to do it.
15 Instead they shipped it up there to us into the Chiquita
16 Canyon Landfill. It wasn't -- the City of Los Angeles
17 wasn't good enough to keep the trash, but they were good
18 enough to ship it up there to us.
19 Now when you look at all these facts and
20 figures that are up here, everything is being disputed,
21 it brings me to one thing that I thought about that my
22 dad told me a long time ago. He said figures don't lie,
23 but lies figure. And we have a lot of figuring going on
24 here. And there also obviously is either a lot of lying
25 or a lot of misstatement of facts.
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1 All I can tell you is that when I'm less
2 than a mile from that landfill I should not be burdened
3 with trash from anyplace else other than the Santa
4 Clarita Valley. And for me to have to put up with that
5 burden in my community when their communities refuse to
6 take their own trash is wrong. And it's up to you guys
7 to straighten this out. You have an opportunity to fix
8 this for us. Fix this for this community. And this
9 community deserves better.
10 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
11 MR. DOCKRAY: Hi. My name is Dallas Dockray
12 and I'm going to leave my time to my dad.
13 MR. SMITH: Thank you very much.
14 MR. DOCKRAY: Thank you, son. That was very
15 brave. He wanted to leave me a chance to speak since we
16 may not get to my name. My name is Jeremiah Dockray.
17 I'm further down the line. I just wanted to bring up a
18 couple things. I agree with lot of what has already
19 been said tonight in opposition to the landfill,
20 including a lot of the air quality, traffic, and other
21 problems that we foresee.
22 I just wanted to bring up a couple of quick
23 points. During Mr. Dean's presentation earlier he said
24 that Caltrans had no problems with the traffic
25 situation. And I just want you to look at the comment
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1 letter No. 24 that Caltrans actually says it's not okay
2 with the traffic situation, in particular the I-5 north
3 traffic, comment 2 in letter 24.
4 Also, it was said that the air quality and
5 the traffic problems will just move somewhere if we were
6 to move this situation somewhere else. And that would
7 be great. I think that this -- this problem is --
8 there's a growing community around this landfill. And
9 if the Newhall Ranch project with 20,000 extra homes get
10 put right next to it, you're going to have it boxed in
11 by a heck of a lot of people.
12 And I think that that needs to be something
13 that's taken into consideration. I also wanted to bring
14 up that it's been said that the landfill donates money
15 to Val Verde. That's actually called a mitigation fee
16 which is something that you are forced to do when you
17 have to live next to a landfill and we make an
18 agreement. So it's not out of the kindness of anyone's
19 hearts.
20 And I just wanted to say if -- as recently
21 as last night I know that -- I'm sure that the Chiquita
22 Canyon staff works very hard and I have no ill will
23 towards any of them. If they -- I think they were off
24 the clock at 10:00 p.m. last night when I drove by the
25 landfill just coming home from a volleyball game and I
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1 couldn't even drive past the place. I had to call into
2 AQMD. And I got a call back from them about 15 hours
3 later.
4 You've had 20 years to figure out another
5 situation. It's time to move this to -- away from a
6 community, away from people, and we need to have this
7 shut down. Honor the agreement with Val Verde. Thank
8 you.
9 MS. DeSESA: Hello. My name is Abigail
10 DeSesa, 18 year resident of Val Verde, Castaic. I would
11 like to say ditto to all those who have spoken before me
12 and after me that are opposed to this expansion. Now
13 I'm going to get personal like one of the ladies before
14 on something that hasn't really been touched on as you
15 guys recommended.
16 I would like to add that I have a beautiful
17 recently remodeled 2,000 square foot home with a whole
18 house solar system on over an acre. It would easily be
19 worth $750,000 if it were not mainly for the landfill
20 and its potential massive expansion. Today I would
21 be -- not be able to sell my home for even $500,000.
22 So when someone says the landfill is such a
23 great neighbor and runs such a clean, wonderful
24 business, then I say buy my home for $750,000, and you
25 can live near the stinky thing. I was told by my real
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1 estate agent this landfill would be closing no later
2 than 2019, and now there is another yet request to
3 expand and double in what they take after 44 years of
4 taking this state's trash.
5 We were made to pay for Mesquite Regional
6 Landfill and now we are being denied the right to use
7 it. Enough already. There is a safe alternative just
8 waiting to be used. You have the opportunity to finally
9 do what is right by all of us residents and protect the
10 future of this entire valley. Our environment is under
11 attack and we are begging you, we are not trash. Thank
12 you.
13 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
14 MS. EVANS: My name is Susan Evans,
15 E-v-a-n-s. I hope you enjoyed your trip through the
16 Newhall Pass. It wasn't stinky, I hope, for you because
17 that's what we're going to get if it goes on. First I'd
18 like to have you guys note that people speaking in favor
19 of this expansion are owners of businesses or groups
20 representing businesses or organizations of Santa
21 Clarita.
22 They all have some kind of financial gain,
23 and I firmly believe Chiquita Landfill financially
24 supports their businesses or organizations in some way,
25 whether through direct financial donations or business
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1 that they may advertise with. Additionally, I want you
2 to think about how many of them actually live directly
3 in the effected area, Val Verde. I challenge you to
4 find five, let alone one.
5 Please keep that in mind when you're
6 considering this. I don't own a business, I don't
7 receive any benefits. And that great lady thing that
8 does once a month, I've never heard of it before.
9 John Musella is the landfill's lobbyist. Risks
10 represented cancer risks. This is what was referred to
11 earlier as fake news or alternative facts.
12 The map that has been referenced came from
13 page 221 of the revised EIR. I've been attacked
14 verbally in writing by landfill employees and lobbyists
15 and its compensated supporters. I have been called a
16 blatant liar by Mike Dean, and as you heard, a terrorist
17 and a bully. We have two different reporters from our
18 town, both of them were threatened with their jobs if
19 they came back.
20 Private citizens of a public meeting last
21 year told the dump they were over the limit. Management
22 of the landfill denied they were over the limit. Steve
23 Kasubo. And suddenly they got a clean hands waiver from
24 the County. I am infuriated the people of Val Verde can
25 be ignored by the County of Los Angeles, the Board of
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1 Supervisors.
2 We have been slandered, called derogatory,
3 racist names, stalked, and today's governmental agencies
4 attack us based on lies. We have been called lower cast
5 citizens and ignorant. This all happened to us only
6 because we wanted this dump to be closed as promised.
7 MR. SMITH: Thank you. Yeah, we'll just
8 call five more and these will be the last five minutes.
9 MR. GLASER: Chris Clark, Nathan Bousfield,
10 Lisa Loch, Nancy Carder, and Nanette Meisten.
11 MR. BOUSFIELD: We heard a couple speakers
12 ago about the six alternatives that we had used --
13 MR. SMITH: Excuse me. I'm sorry, sir, to
14 interrupt. Can you state you state your name for the
15 record.
16 MR. BOUSFIELD: Yes. Nathan Bousfield.
17 We heard about the six alternatives. They
18 were quite facetious. Whatever. We have a seventh
19 alternative that we've already paid for, the Mesquite
20 Regional Landfill. It's a pit mine, it is 20 miles from
21 the nearest resident. The final EIR for the Chiquita
22 Canyon expansion says the environmentally superior
23 alternative is closing the landfill. We have an
24 alternative. It's already paid for, use it.
25 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
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1 There's no seeding of time, but if you wish
2 to yield your time, your entitled time to somebody else,
3 you can do that. He already spoke. Go ahead.
4 MS. CARDER: My name is Nancy Carder. I'm a
5 resident of Castaic and I'm a senior environmental
6 scientist for a regulatory agency in California. In the
7 January 9th, 2017 comments from AQMD they read, "South
8 Coast AQMD staff has serious concerns regarding the odor
9 impact analysis, air quality, and health risk assessment
10 in the PRDEIR. The proposed project of bringing active
11 open areas of the landfill closer to existing receptors
12 and the potential for odor impacts the community have
13 been concluded a less than significant based on
14 insufficient substantial evidence."
15 They further also state that, "AQMD staff
16 did not receive certain files which did not allow for a
17 complete review of the accuracy of the proposed
18 impacts." According to South Coast AQMD's comments on
19 the draft EIR and the PRDEIR, the project proponent has
20 presented data that does not conform with South Coast
21 AQMD's requirements, such as flare emissions were
22 calculated based on source test that the flares only
23 operated at 50%.
24 And South Coast AQMD staff were angled to
25 verify and reproduce the results. The landfill gas
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1 collection efficiency was -- of 85% was used when this
2 has not been demonstrated to AQMD, and the default
3 efficiency factor based on state and federal regulatory
4 guidance of 75%. Emission data on medium, heavy duty
5 trucks was used for the increase in 300 added waste
6 truck trips, when it should have been data for heavy
7 duty trucks.
8 It did not include the -- the document did
9 not include the increased emissions from waste truck
10 trips into the maximum daily regional operational
11 emission estimate totals in the DEIR because they claim
12 the South Coast AQMD CEQA Air Quality Handbook allowed
13 them to do this. And South Coast AQMD stated that this
14 reference in this South Coast AQMD Handbook is not
15 clear, it can be staff.
16 And the lead agency has based its
17 determination on a displaced truck trip argument or
18 relocated, redirected the emissions. And that's not
19 supported by AQMD staff, CEQA guidance.
20 MR. SMITH: Thank you, ma'am. Thank you.
21 MS. CARDER: Can I finish?
22 MR. SMITH: You can wrap up your thought.
23 MS. CARDER: Okay. It has been less than
24 two months since South Coast AQMD stated these various
25 concerns. How can this project be ready to approve?
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1 The validity of the EIR is in question.
2 MR. SMITH: Thank you. I'd actually like to
3 ask a quick question. I -- we're already over time and
4 I'm probably getting us in trouble here, and I know we
5 called five names.
6 And I want to ask County Counsel if -- can
7 we give five minutes and then if people want to speak
8 more quickly we can get through however many more
9 speakers we can do in five minutes? Set the clock for
10 five minutes, call the names. If somebody wants to
11 speak for 30 seconds then we have just a total of five
12 minutes left.
13 All right. No, that's a good point.
14 County counsel -- I apologize, I was wrong.
15 County counsel -- so we have many more speakers than we
16 have time and so we're going to have to continue the
17 item. So if we did it the way I proposed we would -- it
18 would shortchange the people who were rushed. So we're
19 going to just continue with the remainder of the names
20 we called. I apologize for that.
21 Go ahead.
22 MS. LOCH: Okay. My name is Lisa Loch. I
23 am a high school teacher. I'm a science teacher in the
24 local district up here. You may be aware that we have
25 quite a few people -- I don't know what the current
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1 population is, but we're a very fast growing community.
2 We have over five large high schools. I'm at the
3 largest which is within five miles of this landfill.
4 I have not been politically active. This is
5 my first time actually talking like this. So bear with
6 me. I know you're tired. I'm tired. I've been up
7 since 4:00 a.m. and I may not be as coherent as I'd like
8 to be. But just on my informal count, there are over
9 12 schools within a five -- five and a half mile radius
10 of this landfill. This is over 10,000 students
11 conservatively.
12 This is why I'm here. This is why I'm here
13 at this point after my bedtime, because I want to speak
14 for these kids. I am very concerned about this
15 community. I am very concerned about the fact that I'm
16 hearing that the initial landfill didn't have a full
17 liner, and that it's over an aquifer. This could effect
18 our drinking water, this could effect our air for sure.
19 In the final Environmental Impact Report
20 that I read, Chapter 18.5 said the superior alternative
21 for our air quality is to do nothing, to shut down this
22 landfill. And I really want to appeal personally to you
23 on behalf of my students. I have 200 students who look
24 to me when they have tough times, and I'm looking to
25 you. Would you have your kids in a school next to a
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1 landfill? Please consider this. We need you to stand
2 up for our kids. Thank you.
3 MS. MEISTER: My name is Nanette Meister,
4 and I seed my entire time to Bryan Caforio.
5 MR. SMITH: Ma'am, there is no seeding of
6 time. Ma'am, there's no seeding of time. You can yield
7 your time, but we called the names. So he can have his
8 two minutes, but not four.
9 MR. CAFORIO: Yeah. So thank you for being
10 here today, Commissioners. My name is Bryan Caforio,
11 attorney who lives in Santa Clarita. I was also the
12 Democratic candidate for congress in this area that
13 includes the Val Verde area and the entire Santa Clarita
14 Valley. There are a lot of reasons to oppose the
15 expansion of this dump.
16 The increased cancer and health risks that
17 are detailed very clearly in the report that you have,
18 the increased dramatic environmental effects that are
19 detailed clearly in the report that you have. And also,
20 the increased traffic which is not adequately discussed
21 in this report.
22 The applicant is asking to accept more waste
23 per day than any other landfill in the United States.
24 And in fact, more than any other landfill in the world
25 except for one in South Korea. The way you bring that
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1 much waste to this facility is by bringing trucks, lots
2 and lots of dump trucks and garbage trucks through our
3 community. I don't know if you have driven through the
4 traffic very frequently on the 5, the 14, the 210, the
5 126. It's really bad already.
6 We don't need hundreds or thousands of new
7 garbage trucks driving each day, every day making this
8 even worse. You, if you approve this are sentencing the
9 workers in this community to more time away from their
10 families.
11 It is your job, the supervisor's job and
12 elected officials' job to try and improve our congestion
13 problem, not make it worse. Please stand up for the
14 people in this community. I urge you to shut this
15 facility down.
16 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
17 MR. CLARK: Hi, I'm Chris Clarke, and I
18 yield my time to Sara Sage.
19 MR. SMITH: Thank you.
20 MS. SAGE: My name is Sara Sage and I'm a
21 Val Verde resident. I'm also on the Val Verde Civic
22 Association. Today I'm speaking as an individual and
23 I'm also speaking on behalf of the Val Verde Civic
24 Association. I wanted to talk about PM 2.5, PM 10 in
25 the Environmental Impact Report and how allowable levels
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1 of PM 2.5, PM 10 will be exceeded for the lifetime of
2 the project.
3 Mike Dean stated earlier this evening we
4 will continuously be improving and expanding. This
5 means that levels of PM 2.5 and other particulate matter
6 will also increase for the people who live and work
7 around Chiquita Canyon Landfill.
8 This brings me to another point Mike Dean
9 made regarding the lack of notice of violations.
10 Current AQMD resources and standards make it difficult
11 for residents to report. They require three calls in
12 one hour or six within 24 hours in order to send an
13 inspector. The inspector lives in Diamond Bar. After
14 that he has to confirm six smells.
15 And he also has to confirm that smell comes
16 from the landfill. It makes it very hard for a
17 population of 2,400 people to coordinate this type of
18 thing. My question to you is what will change if you
19 approve this landfill? What will change this time? How
20 will this be different? How will our air quality be
21 assured that we, our children won't be breathing this?
22 Santa Clarita nonattainment zone for PM 2.5
23 and lead and methane and other airborne pollutants and
24 trucks emitting all of these pollutants will be
25 increasing through Santa Clarita Valley. A lower carbon
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1 footprint would be achieved by using the superior
2 alternative. If Chiquita's permit application is not
3 approved by this board, then the superior alternative
4 can be used.
5 Doing nothing to transport will allow you to
6 transport literal waste, literal waste at a much lower
7 carbon footprint. I want to say one last thing. You
8 gave us two minutes and I want to thank you for that.
9 We gave you 45 years. Do your job. Close Chiquita
10 Canyon Landfill. Thank you very much.
11 MR. SMITH: I just want to confirm those are
12 the last cards, Mr. Glaser. I just want to confirm
13 that's the end of the cards?
14 MR. GLASER: Yes, those are all the speakers
15 that were called.
16 MR. SMITH: Thank you all. I sincerely
17 appreciate everyone's time and patience and respect.
18 Clearly this is a conversation that needs to continue.
19 This is a very important conversation. There are a lot
20 of concerns and there are a lot of unanswered questions.
21 We -- I -- my sense is that we're going to need to
22 continue this conversation.
23 Please, we're racing the clock, we're past
24 the clock. I want to turn it over to the commissioners
25 to say a few words if they have any before we make a
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1 motion on this.
2 Unfortunately we need to -- we are already
3 past our time. We need to move on. We are going to
4 continue this which will allow you an opportunity to
5 speak. This is not the end of the opportunity to speak.
6 This is the end of this hearing for this evening.
7 MR. MODUGNO: If I may. Thank you all for
8 attending. Those who don't know, I've lived in Santa
9 Clarita for an excess of 30 years. I have grandchildren
10 in Santa Clarita, I group up right over the hill in the
11 San Fernando Valley, in the City of San Fernando. I've
12 been part of this community for a long period of time.
13 I do represent this community, and I
14 appreciate both my fellow commissioners for making the
15 drive. This is the closest hearing I've ever had to my
16 home so I don't have to drive back. I appreciate the
17 comments. We had a lot of information, we've had a lot
18 of participation.
19 We were handed this evening on our tables
20 when we arrived additional information dated today.
21 We've had no opportunity to review it. The three
22 PowerPoint presentations that were presented, there was
23 a lot of new information in that which we have never
24 seen. I would suggest that those PowerPoint
25 presentations be put on our website, that the
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1 information that was provided this evening put on our
2 website.
3 If any of you were not able to speak and
4 have written comments, please turn them in. We will
5 continue -- if you cannot attend the continued hearing
6 which most likely will be in downtown Los Angeles, we
7 would -- I would suggest that you have an opportunity to
8 provide your comments in writing.
9 There were a number of comments that the
10 applicant who would have a ten minute rebuttal time, I
11 think will take far more than ten minutes to
12 conscientiously answer. I would request that answers to
13 many of the questions and comments that were heard this
14 evening be put in the writing and also posted on our
15 website.
16 This is an important decision that we're
17 going to have to make. We don't want to make it in
18 hesitancy. I would like also the County to provide us
19 information in terms of the current CUP and what the
20 terms of that CUP were, what sort of comments,
21 commitments were made or understood within that process.
22 What were the conditions of the clean hands
23 waiver that allowed for the continuation of it? We were
24 all in -- able to take a tour this afternoon of the
25 facility, brief as it was. I'm not quite sure how much
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1 of that land has always been continuous ownership of the
2 applicant, if any pieces of that land were acquired in a
3 subsequent purchase for some additional expansion. What
4 was the expectation of that?
5 I think there are just lots of questions. I
6 got probably half an hour of questions of my own, just
7 Post-its on the Final Environmental Impact Report and on
8 the conditions which were written. So we need
9 additional information. This is an important decision.
10 It is one that we want to do as much input
11 and time to make a valid decision. It will be --
12 whatever decision is made is certainly appealable to the
13 Board of Supervisors. I'd like some information also on
14 Sunshine Canyon. I live closer to Sunshine Canyon. I
15 pass it every single day as I go to work.
16 Many times because of the congestion on the
17 I-5 I come around on the 126 to return, and then take a
18 very long circuitous route to get home because of that
19 congestion. I'd like to know about Sunshine Canyon in
20 terms of its closure and what impact that closure might
21 have. When that's concluded, where is that trash going
22 to go and that traffic going to go?
23 So there's a lot of questions to be asked.
24 But again, I think the more information we can get
25 posted on the website -- and again many of you will not
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1 make the trip to Los Angeles during the day. But please
2 feel free to make sure that you get your comments in.
3 If you have any additional comments, they can be
4 provided to the -- to staff.
5 If you brought written comments this
6 evening, please get them turned in. Those will all be
7 provided to us. We will not make a decision until we
8 have a chance to review all of that. But that's sort of
9 my comment request. And I appreciate your enthusiasm
10 this evening. Sometimes a little embarrassing as a
11 resident, but again, enthusiasm is enthusiasm.
12 We do hear this at other hearings. I have
13 my short drive home. I know the others have a long
14 drive home. But I also really appreciate staff. That
15 if possible. We might try to see if we can get remote
16 testimony which we've done for a number of our hearings
17 that -- our cases out in Antelope Valley. And that's
18 very possible to look into.
19 Unfortunately I think many of us would
20 probably stay longer, but the school district absolutely
21 wants us out of here at 10:00 o'clock. And we got to
22 get some clean up done as well. So I would request if
23 others have a comment to basically see if we get a date
24 certain for a continuation of this.
25 MR. GLASER: Yes. We would recommend
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1 April 19th.
2 MR. MODUGNO: So if that's acceptable to
3 others, I would make a motion that we continue this
4 hearing to April the 19th. It will be at 9:00 a.m. at
5 the Hall of Records at downtown Los Angeles. You can
6 enjoy my commute which goes to that every Wednesday
7 morning.
8 MR. SMITH: We have a motion. Do we have a
9 second?
10 MS. SHELL: I.
11 MR. SMITH: We have a motion and a second.
12 I just want to take a quick opportunity before we go. I
13 do appreciate Commissioner Mr. Modugno's comments. I
14 agree with what's been said. I do like him have many,
15 many questions, but a couple that I wanted to call out
16 in particular and ask our staff to lift up and to
17 highlight when they come back, when we come back in
18 April.
19 And everything that Commissioner Modugno
20 listed was on my list. I wanted to add two items. I
21 would like to have a conversation and make sure that we
22 talk about schools and proximity to schools that -- and
23 so that we have an understanding of which schools are
24 where and what those impacts look like.
25 I also -- we heard a couple of comments
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1 alluding to some really ambitious zero waste goals in
2 other cities, and I'd like a quick update on what the
3 County's policy is and how that compares to other
4 jurisdictions as part of that next report.
5 So with that -- and I guess I'm also going
6 to ask staff -- I very much want to arrange for remote
7 testimony so the folks that can't -- aren't able to make
8 the drive down can -- somewhere here and provide remote
9 testimony. So I'd like to add that to the friendly
10 request to staff. So with all that said, we have a
11 motion and we have a second.
12 All in favor?
13 MR. MODUGNO: I.
14 MS. SHELL: I.
15 MR. LOUIE: I.
16 MR. SMITH: We're actually not done with the
17 hearing yet. We finished that item, but there are other
18 items on our agenda. We need to move real quickly to
19 get out of here. So I know folks want to talk to us,
20 but I have to ask you to please step back because we're
21 still -- April 19th. The clarification, item has been
22 continued to April 19th. I would like -- excuse me.
23 Thank you. We're still -- thank you.
24 We are continuing the hearing. We are now
25 moving on to item 6 on our agenda this evening. This is
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1 public comment. Do we have any card -- any public
2 comment cards this evening? Okay. We're going to
3 continue public comment as well. Do we need to do a
4 motion to that effect?
5 MR. SHELL: So moved.
6 MR. SMITH: All in favor?
7 MR. MODUGNO: I.
8 MR. LOUIE: I.
9 MR. SMITH: I.
10 Great. Call for a review. Hearing none.
11 Any last minute reports? Hearing none, with that we are
12 adjourned. Thank you.
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