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Talks Talks Between Between Lord Çiva Lord Çiva & Saté & Saté

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Chapter 3: Chapter 3: SectionsSections

Verses 1-14: Dakñña’s next sacrifice—Saté wishes to attend

Verses 15-25: Lord Çiva’s response to Saté

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Verses 1-14: Verses 1-14: Dakña’s Dakña’s next sacrifice–Saté next sacrifice–Saté wishes to attendwishes to attend

When Lord Brahmä appointed Dakña the When Lord Brahmä appointed Dakña the chief of all the Prajäpatis, the progenitors chief of all the Prajäpatis, the progenitors of population, Dakña became very much of population, Dakña became very much puffed up. Dakña performed another puffed up. Dakña performed another sacrifice, and yet another, the latter well sacrifice, and yet another, the latter well attended by the universal leaders. attended by the universal leaders. Hearing of that sacrifice and seeing her Hearing of that sacrifice and seeing her sisters en route to it, Saté, the daughter sisters en route to it, Saté, the daughter of Dakña, developed the desire to attend, of Dakña, developed the desire to attend, and approached her husband, Lord Çiva, and approached her husband, Lord Çiva, to convince him that they should go. to convince him that they should go. (Contd)(Contd)

Dakña’s next sacrifice–Dakña’s next sacrifice–Saté wishes to attendSaté wishes to attend

(Contd)(Contd) She explains that as a woman she is She explains that as a woman she is

very much attached to her family and very much attached to her family and it is difficult for hear to miss a festive it is difficult for hear to miss a festive event attended by her relatives at event attended by her relatives at her father’s house. Even though her father’s house. Even though uninvited, it is always acceptable to uninvited, it is always acceptable to visit a relative or friend without visit a relative or friend without invitation.invitation.

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Verses 15-25: Verses 15-25: Lord Çiva’s Lord Çiva’s response to Satéresponse to Saté

Lord Çiva agreed that visiting a friend, though uninvited, is proper, but said that one should never go where the host finds faults with the guest and become angry towards him. Because they cannot attain self-realization themselves, the proud are unable to tolerate a saint’s transcendental opulence. Transcendentally enlightened persons offer mutual greetings, exchanged when they meet other persons, to the Supersoul, who is sitting within the body, not to the body itself. (Contd)

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Lord Çiva’s response to Lord Çiva’s response to Saté Saté (Contd)(Contd)

Thus because Lord Çiva is always Thus because Lord Çiva is always engaged in offering obeisances to Lord engaged in offering obeisances to Lord Väsudeva in pure Kåñëa consciousness, Väsudeva in pure Kåñëa consciousness, he is innocent of disrespecting Dakña. he is innocent of disrespecting Dakña. Although Saté is Dakña’s dearmost Although Saté is Dakña’s dearmost daughter, Çiva predicts she will be daughter, Çiva predicts she will be dishonored at Dakña’s home because of dishonored at Dakña’s home because of her relationship with her husband. Unkind her relationship with her husband. Unkind words spoken by a friend perpetually words spoken by a friend perpetually torture one’s heart. Çiva warns that if torture one’s heart. Çiva warns that if Saté decides to go, because her father is Saté decides to go, because her father is envious of him, the insult by her relative envious of him, the insult by her relative will immediately be equal to death.will immediately be equal to death.

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Discussion PointsDiscussion PointsAMI (Group Discussion) Comment on how the statement, “…if

one satisfies Viñëu, it is not necessary to satisfy His followers,” could be misused. Explain the fallacy of its misuse. (3)

PeA Material exhaustion is an advantage for Material exhaustion is an advantage for

advancement in Kåñëa consciousness (17)advancement in Kåñëa consciousness (17) Offering respect to Vaiñëavas is respecting Offering respect to Vaiñëavas is respecting

the supersoul (21-22).the supersoul (21-22). (Contd)(Contd)

Discussion Points Discussion Points (Contd)(Contd)

PeA Difference between material and spiritual Difference between material and spiritual

worlds (15)worlds (15) Zero is by the side of the Supreme One, it Zero is by the side of the Supreme One, it

at once increases in value to ten (17)at once increases in value to ten (17)Und What is the significance of Lord Çiva, a What is the significance of Lord Çiva, a

liberated personality, feeling unhappy liberated personality, feeling unhappy because of the words of Dakña? (15)because of the words of Dakña? (15)

Çuddha-sattva existence (23)Çuddha-sattva existence (23)88

The significance of Lord Çiva, a The significance of Lord Çiva, a liberated personality, feeling liberated personality, feeling

unhappy because of the words unhappy because of the words of Dakña (15; Und, PeA)of Dakña (15; Und, PeA)

Although Lord Çiva is an Çiva is an ätmäramaätmärama, or , or situated in self-realization, but because situated in self-realization, but because he is in charge of the mode of ignorance, he is in charge of the mode of ignorance, sometimes he is affected by the pleasure sometimes he is affected by the pleasure and pain of the material world.and pain of the material world.

However, in the spiritual world, the However, in the spiritual world, the manifestation of so-called pain is full of manifestation of so-called pain is full of bliss.bliss.

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Why did Dakña become Why did Dakña become angry and subsequently angry and subsequently criticize and curse Lord criticize and curse Lord

Çiva? (21)Çiva? (21) Anger is caused by enmity. Dakña was Anger is caused by enmity. Dakña was

envious of Lord Çiva because of envious of Lord Çiva because of a)a) Çiva’s Çiva’s high position as an incarnation of a quality high position as an incarnation of a quality of the Supreme Lord; of the Supreme Lord; b)b) Çiva is in direct Çiva is in direct contact with the Supersoul; and contact with the Supersoul; and c)c) Çiva is Çiva is given a better sitting place than he. given a better sitting place than he.

Besides Dakña, being materially puffed up, Besides Dakña, being materially puffed up, could not tolerate the high position of Çiva.could not tolerate the high position of Çiva.

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Why didn’t Lord Çiva offer Why didn’t Lord Çiva offer obeisances to Dakña, his obeisances to Dakña, his

father-in-law? (21-23)father-in-law? (21-23) Obeisances are to be offered to the Supreme Lord

situated within a material body and not to the body itself.

Çiva is always in meditation upon the Lord—was in pure consciousness, or vasudeva state.

Dakña was not spiritually elevated enough to rise to such a realization and thus became envious of Çiva.

Furthermore, Dakña was obliged to accept Çiva as his son-in-law because of his father, Lord Brahmää.

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