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Images: Anti-War activist, Astor Place

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by fred askewEmail: fritz (nospam) fredaskew.com (unverified!)

27 Apr 2005

(from the Open Newswire): On Tuesday I came across an anti-war activist standing on traffic signal pole in Astor Place. A sign attached to the pole read, "WAR?" and on his chest was written "All American." The "ONE WAY" signs were changed to read, "NO WAR."

Apparently he stayed up there for almost two hours before the NYPD took him down.

On Tuesday I came across an anti-war activist standing on traffic signal pole in Astor Place. A sign attached to the pole read, "WAR?" and on his chest was written "All American." The "ONE WAY" signs were changed to read, "NO WAR."

Apparently he stayed up there for almost two hours before the NYPD took him down.

See also:http://www.fredaskew.com

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by A Real All American(No verified email address)

Current rating: 627 Apr 2005

This man is obviously a threat to society. Thank the Lord my tax paying dollars were spent on that helicopter needed get him down and haul his Al-Quada ass away to Guantanamo forever. Its gas tanks are big enough to get him there right?I'm safe now; USA! USA!

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by amazing(No verified email address)

Current rating: 027 Apr 2005 Modified: 11:45:53 AM

This is fukin' great! Way to go! Cheers

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by peacefem(No verified email address)

Current rating: 227 Apr 2005 Modified: 07:26:40 PM

abc local news had a shot of this and they said his crown was made of dollars. how cool!

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by wow(No verified email address)

Current rating: 027 Apr 2005 Modified: 08:04:44 PM

beautiful, powerful stuff.

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by Menone (unverified)

Current rating: 027 Apr 2005 Modified: 08:58:48 PM

That is so cool. Good job.

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by yes(No verified email address)

Current rating: 027 Apr 2005 Modified: 09:29:30 PM

Thank you so much for performing this action, and thank you to the photographer as well. May this inspire a thousand real Americans to perform a thousand similar actions.

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by Roger Mexico(No verified email address)

Current rating: 028 Apr 2005

Bravo! to that dude. Congratulations! Very thought out, very symbolic, and very brave. Really, man - I give you credit for guts, heart, and brains! May you inspire more to do likewise!

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by noordinaryspiderunknownsender (nospam) unknowndomain.com (unverified)

Current rating: 028 Apr 2005

Eric, I hope you're reading this. I just wanted to add my support and let you know that I think you are FUCKING BRILLIANT!!!!!

It's not going to be easy for you; I have seen you discredited as "emotionally disturbed" by this emotionally disturbed country.

As long as someone in this madhouse retains enough sanity to do what you did, I think I can take one more breath, look myself in the eye while I brush my teeth this morning, and make breakfast for my little boy.

Thank you, Eric.

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by Bo Bo Bo Bo(No verified email address)

Current rating: -128 Apr 2005

Boring!

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by a-feepesto22 (nospam) excite.com (unverified)

Current rating: 028 Apr 2005

THANK YOU, my friend.

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by kick ass(No verified email address)

Current rating: 028 Apr 2005 Modified: 10:41:41 AM

What a great way for one single person to use their creativity to make a simple, powerful statement.

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by yes(No verified email address)

Current rating: 028 Apr 2005 Modified: 12:52:23 PM

Yes, how "powerful", I'm sure this will change loads of peoples opinions about U.S. foreign policy. No one will think this guy is simply a nut, not in NYC, that would never happen.

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by RadioActive Babe(No verified email address)

Current rating: 028 Apr 2005 Modified: 04:26:55 PM

How does one find out if Mr. Wallach needs $$ for his legal defense? Ya know he's gonna get hammered.

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It Is a Brilliant Idea

by Sending a Powerful and Inspiring Message(No verified email address)

Current rating: 328 Apr 2005 Modified: 08:11:04 PM

I propose we all do the same thing... on May Day!

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Current rating: 029 Apr 2005 Modified: 02:18:23 AM

yes, climb back up in your helicopter and scram.

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by real progressive(No verified email address)

03 May 2005 Modified: 09:03:13 PM

insulting christianity is a great way to end this imperialist war! Let's offend every group possible.

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by AJgrecan02 (nospam) gettysburg.edu (unverified)

03 May 2005 Modified: 09:36:38 PM

"Real" - you're an idiot. He's not INSULTING christianity, he is merely using a powerful "symbol" in which to say something meaninful about the war in iraq, not the war in christianity. If anyone would sympathize with what this man has done (ie, preach peace in a world of violence and idolitry), it would be Jesus himself. Way to go!!!!

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by tuckett(No verified email address)

03 May 2005 Modified: 04 May 2005

such a good job.....

www.subbionic.com

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by Rev. Jeffriah Speatsspectorjeff (nospam) hotmail.com (unverified)

04 May 2005 Modified: 05:58:32 PM

Eric Wallach's actions symbolize what makes America the land of the free. While some may disagree with his actions, we cannot ever dispute nor deny his RIGHT to protest. Take that away and we might as well fly the hammer and sicle.

Mr.Wallach is a patriot in the true and correct sense of the word. Lest we forget, this country was founded on the principles of the right to express one's opinion freely.

Eli Wallach Is an Idiot

by %(No verified email address)

05 May 2005 Modified: 06 May 2005

How does climbing a lamp post half naked and emulating Jesus on the Cross end anything? It seems the guy wanted attention, and he got it. But it ends nothing.

Images: Anti-War activist, Astor Place

by mp(No verified email address)

06 May 2005 Modified: 05:49:38 PM

I think the meaning of this picture is more than enough to show how people feel about the un-necessary war , he is a brave man !

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by some kid(No verified email address)

06 May 2005 Modified: 07 May 2005

THAT'S MY COUSIN!!!!

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1 of 61. dag    Planet Starbucks | Member 1679, Joined Jun 19, 2001 | 5265 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-27 19:55

I hope my chosen title is not too sensational, but I am finding it difficult to come up with something that does justice to these images. Wow - check these out!

From NYC Indymedia:

On Tuesday I came across an anti-war activist standing on traffic signal pole in Astor Place. A sign attached to the pole read, "WAR?" and on his chest was written "All American." The "ONE WAY" signs were changed to read, "NO WAR."

Apparently he stayed up there for almost two hours before the NYPD took him down.

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2 of 61. Mateo    San Francisco | Member 412, Joined Mar 25, 2001 | 7501 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-27 19:59

Great protest! How does the helicopter fit in?

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3 of 61. chlorocardium    VA | Member 11315, Joined Feb 02, 2003 | 1444 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-27 19:59

Stunning. Don't look for this event on the Old Stream Media. But I got the pics to send around. Thx Dag! Now in DC, what theatre should be in store...

-----------------And they thought it couldn't happen here ~ Frank Zappa

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4 of 61. dag    Planet Starbucks | Member 1679, Joined Jun 19, 2001 | 5265 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-27 20:01

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On 2005-04-27 19:59, Mateo wrote: Great protest! How does the helicopter fit in?

My guess is that it was flying overhead during the action. You know, Homeland Security and everything.

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5 of 61. RufusTFirefly    Valley of Heart's Delight, Calif. | Member 9679, Joined Nov 14, 2002 | 3365 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-27 20:06

Quote:

On 2005-04-27 20:01, dag wrote:

Quote:

On 2005-04-27 19:59, Mateo wrote: Great protest! How does the helicopter fit in?

My guess is that it was flying overhead during the action. You know, Homeland Security and everything.

Thank goodness they were there to protect us from him. You never know what he might've done otherwise, performed a miracle with loaves and fishes or something. Dangerous.

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6 of 61. glaucon    Michigan | Member 26782, Joined Nov 07, 2004 | 1724 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-27 20:11

Great find, Dag! Thx!

I'm gonna spread it around, too!

-----------------Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realize we cannot eat money.--Cree Indian Proverb

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7 of 61. chlorocardium    VA | Member 11315, Joined Feb 02, 2003 | 1444 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-27 20:21

This would be a wonderful popular protest, every street corner. Of course there's always re-enactments of the tea party...

Couldn't help myself.

-----------------And they thought it couldn't happen here ~ Frank Zappa

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8 of 61. dag    Planet Starbucks | Member 1679, Joined Jun 19, 2001 | 5265 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-27 20:29

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On 2005-04-27 20:06, RufusTFirefly wrote:

Quote:

On 2005-04-27 20:01, dag wrote:

Quote:

On 2005-04-27 19:59, Mateo wrote: Great protest! How does the helicopter fit in?

My guess is that it was flying overhead during the action. You know, Homeland Security and everything.

Thank goodness they were there to protect us from him. You never know what he might've done otherwise, performed a miracle with loaves and fishes or something. Dangerous.

At least they didn't bust out the Fujifilm/NYPD blimp.

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[ This message was edited by: dag on 2005-04-27 22:45 ]

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9 of 61. reprehensor     | Member 14635, Joined Jun 15, 2003 | 2455 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-27 21:00

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On 2005-04-27 20:21, chlorocardium wrote: This would be a wonderful popular protest, every street corner. Of course there's always re-enactments of the tea party...

Couldn't help myself.

-----------------White Rose Society

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Always look on the bright side of life... (Whistle)

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10 of 61. Roger_Mexico    The Zone | Member 20913, Joined Mar 26, 2004 | 1398 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-27 21:06

Bravo! to that dude. Congratulations! Very thought out, very symbolic, and very brave. Really, man - I give you credit for guts, heart, and brains! May you inspire more to do likewise!

-----------------Keep cool, but care.....................and now, I smell blood - don't you?Roger Mexico

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11 of 61. CalDan    Il | Member 24362, Joined Aug 24, 2004 | 722 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-27 21:11

Very dramatic. I wonder how many people paid any attetnion in the big city. No doubt the men in blue will haul him off to the rubber room so they can shoot him full of drugs. I'm sure that nurse Ratshit will take really good care of him.

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12 of 61. dag    Planet Starbucks | Member 1679, Joined Jun 19, 2001 | 5265 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-27 21:14

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On 2005-04-27 21:06, Roger_Mexico wrote: Bravo! to that dude. Congratulations! Very thought out, very symbolic, and very brave. Really, man - I give you credit for guts, heart, and brains! May you inspire more to do likewise!

-----------------No more presidents, no more wars.

Be sure to drop him a line at NYC Indymedia, where there is a better chance he might actually hear you!

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13 of 61. glaucon    Michigan | Member 26782, Joined Nov 07, 2004 | 1724 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-27 21:48

So he's "emotionally disturbed," huh?

I think NOT!

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14 of 61. OldMaestro    Dos Passos, TX | Member 3442, Joined Oct 28, 2001 | 1873 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-27 22:00

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On 2005-04-27 19:55, dag wrote:

You can't keep a good martyr down!

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15 of 61. willycrash     | Member 5206, Joined Mar 04, 2002 | 475 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-27 22:36

this is the 1st thing to make me smile in quite a few days.

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16 of 61. domsmirk    2 blue states | Member 24527, Joined Aug 31, 2004 | 173 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-27 22:40

Kudos to the bravery and the crown made out of dollars. Brilliant!

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17 of 61. spinynorman    Mae East | Member 3905, Joined Dec 10, 2001 | 4106 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-27 23:19

Awesome!

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18 of 61. glaucon    Michigan | Member 26782, Joined Nov 07, 2004 | 1724 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 07:50

bump

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19 of 61. libertymax    anti-intellectual backwater | Member 20534, Joined Feb 26, 2004 | 84 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 08:10

Sarcasim Alert! I'm soooooooo glad the authorities have declared this man with his totally inappropriate unAmerican protest against a fair and just war to be emotionally disturbed. Of course, emotionally disturbed is one of those coded terms that allows the inhabitants of the manicured and weedless lawns of suburbia to comfortably disregard the entire affair. There is nothing to see here. Move along. We'll take care of this dangerous man. He won't hurt you. Trust us. We have this protest thing under control. America, go back to your TV and gourmet coffee. There's nothing to see here.

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20 of 61. mmmmchemiweapons    Pittsburgh, PA-The Big Ketchup Bottle | Member 13958, Joined Apr 29, 2003 | 2195 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 08:31

Oh thank God, or whatever. When I saw this title I thought someone had literally had himself crucified in the way of the Romans, and was going to be a martyr for the anti-war movement. This is much better. We need our activists alive.

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21 of 61. tclodes    United States of Advertising | Member 28046, Joined Jan 10, 2005 | 119 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 08:38

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On 2005-04-28 08:31, mmmmchemiweapons wrote: Oh thank God, or whatever. When I saw this title I thought someone had literally had himself crucified in the way of the Romans, and was going to be a martyr for the anti-war movement. This is much better. We need our activists alive.

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22 of 61. helios    New Jersey | Member 10228, Joined Dec 10, 2002 | 905 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 08:48

Naturally, the police will issue a statement to the press that the man, Eric Wallach, was "emotionally disturbed" and the press will run with it gleefully. That is standard police procedure along with slapping him with the resisting arrest and disorderly person beefs. It is also standard procedure for the MSM press to portray any protester as a kook.

Wallach's ingenious street theatre war protest was emotionally disturbing, but that was the point, wasn't it ? Wallach juxtaposed powerful symbols to make his statement and the resultant image was provacative. But that is what art is supposed to do: move the emotions of the viewer.

Wallach is an artist and I applaud him.

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23 of 61. NonDairy_Creamer    Central NYS, USA | Member 9743, Joined Nov 17, 2002 | 1536 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 10:04

Artist...emotionally disturbed. Whichever.

I have to say I think he's 2 years late on this one.

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24 of 61. KuhWaver    Beautiful Eastern North Carolina | Member 429, Joined Mar 27, 2001 | 2847 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 10:10

I've been "emotionally disturbed" since December 12, 2000.

So, "put me in a jacket and take me away....."

-----------------Ob la di, Peggy Lee

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25 of 61. dag    Planet Starbucks | Member 1679, Joined Jun 19, 2001 | 5265 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 10:32

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On 2005-04-28 10:10, KuhWaver wrote: I've been "emotionally disturbed" since December 12, 2000.

Not me! I'm 100% normal, an extremely well-adjusted American consumer. I drive an SUV and drink Starbucks coffee. I listen to Britney Spears and watch American Idol, and never think about unpleasant thoughts like war, torture, poverty, corruption, or anything like that.

No sirree, I'm not emotionally disturbed one bit. I can recommend some good anti-depressants if you would like.

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26 of 61. KuhWaver    Beautiful Eastern North Carolina | Member 429, Joined Mar 27, 2001 | 2847 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 10:45

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On 2005-04-28 10:32, dag wrote:

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On 2005-04-28 10:10, KuhWaver wrote: I've been "emotionally disturbed" since December 12, 2000.

Not me! I'm 100% normal, an extremely well-adjusted American consumer. I drive an SUV and drink Starbucks coffee. I listen to Britney Spears and watch American Idol, and never think about unpleasant thoughts like war, torture, poverty, corruption, or anything like that.

No sirree, I'm not emotionally disturbed one bit. I can recommend some good anti-depressants if you would like.

Thanks for the anti-depressants!

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27 of 61. canadianperson     | Member 14126, Joined May 09, 2003 | 4400 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 10:52

Nondairy Creamer said:

"I have to say I think he's two years late on this one"

He's not two years late! The war still rages on. When my 16 year old daughter saw the photos, she was afraid they would be gross, but I saw her face light up when she saw the ordinary downtown scene with a Jesus figure on the traffic light. It's inspiring to the young, who thought protest had gone out of style. Gives you hope!

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28 of 61. panpipes     | Member 27210, Joined Nov 18, 2004 | 73 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 11:01

I note that he is 33 years old. Isn't that the age that Jesus was supposedly when he was crucified?

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29 of 61. MrClean    Fort Lauderdale | Member 8898, Joined Oct 21, 2002 | 1079 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 11:01

I like the NO WAR conversion....

I think there might be some similarly altered signs popping up in my area...

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30 of 61. yoduuuh    north hollywood, ca. | Member 15077, Joined Jul 06, 2003 | 1087 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 14:36

Posting my extreme admiration for courage in hopes other sixteen year olds may see it.

Thank you so much Eric.

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31 of 61. dbostrom    State of Confusion | Member 4910, Joined Feb 14, 2002 | 5527 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 14:43

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On 2005-04-28 14:36, yoduuuh wrote: Posting my extreme admiration for courage in hopes other sixteen year olds may see it.

Thank you so much Eric.

Indeed.

Meanwhile, the New Yorkers live up to their phlegmatic reputation. I'm not sure I can imagine another city where you'd see people studiously ignoring such a bizarre sight:

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32 of 61. krutch    PA | Member 18177, Joined Nov 07, 2003 | 304 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 15:51

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On 2005-04-27 21:48, glaucon wrote:

So he's "emotionally disturbed," huh?

I think NOT!

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Welcome to the USSR. Clearly, anybody who disagrees with the government and has the guts to say it is "emotionally disturbed". I think what he did was a poignant work of art, but what do I know; I'm emotionally disturbed myself. If you're not emotionally disturbed in Bush's America, you're catatonic.

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33 of 61. Nichomachus    The shrinking desert | Member 7193, Joined Jul 01, 2002 | 10550 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 15:54

Emotionally disturbed. Well, I've been emotionally disturbed since December of 2000.

It's funny that someone who points out the truth is "emotionally disturbed," while policemen who rape prisoners with broomsticks or beat them senseless are just "misunderstood" guys doing their job.

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34 of 61. Lizardking    South of Crawford | Member 18283, Joined Nov 13, 2003 | 3101 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 16:00

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On 2005-04-28 10:04, NonDairy_Creamer wrote: I have to say I think he's 2 years late on this one.

You're not aware that the BushCo neocons have their oily hands set on "liberating" Iran? If anything, he may be 2 years early.

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35 of 61. biohazard    Rancho los Gatos | Member 21050, Joined Apr 07, 2004 | 232 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 16:06

Nicho, as usual, nails it. I think Mr. Wallach is eminently sane, and probably needs a legal fund. Ah, payday's just around the corner for me.

If courage = emotional disturbance, then I could certainly use more of it.

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36 of 61. xxdr_zombiexx    The Untied States (not a typo) | Member 13818, Joined Apr 21, 2003 | 5471 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 16:15

Emotionally disturbed?

By a little thing like WAR?

I should hope he is disturbed by it.

This is a guy who makes me feel weak. What a ballsy and artistic thing to do.

I'd likely lose my job if I pulled such a stunt and got arrested. Boom. Unemployed.

brilliant activism.

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37 of 61. mmmmchemiweapons    Pittsburgh, PA-The Big Ketchup Bottle | Member 13958, Joined Apr 29, 2003 | 2195 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 16:24

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Not me! I'm 100% normal, an extremely well-adjusted American consumer. I drive an SUV and drink Starbucks coffee. I listen to Britney Spears and watch American Idol, and never think about unpleasant thoughts like war, torture, poverty, corruption, or anything like that.

Hey now, don't make fun of me, but I actually watch American Idol, it's my guilty pleasure since its the only one of the stupid "reality tv" shows I watch.

And like everyone else's concerns, I hope this is not a precursor for activity in Iran. Our boys will be truly and utterly fuckeded with the possibility of facing comibined support of Iran, China, India and Russia. Please tell me even the BFEE isn't that stoopid and/or arrogant.

-----------------Melissa Puzio aka mmmmchemiweaponsDemocracy for America.

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38 of 61. enough    kansas | Member 6723, Joined May 29, 2002 | 1104 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 16:24

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On 2005-04-28 11:01, MrClean wrote: I like the NO WAR conversion....

I think there might be some similarly altered signs popping up in my area...

wear gloves and use new tape....and look out for cameras....

Thanks for the pics, dag

-----------------hungersite

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39 of 61. enough    kansas | Member 6723, Joined May 29, 2002 | 1104 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 16:24

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On 2005-04-28 11:01, MrClean wrote: I like the NO WAR conversion....

I think there might be some similarly altered signs popping up in my area...

wear gloves and use new tape....and look out for cameras....

Thanks for the pics, dag

-----------------hungersite

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40 of 61. 8percenter    Troy, MI | Member 5796, Joined Apr 07, 2002 | 357 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 18:45

I confess- I've also been emotionally disturbed for the past 4 1/2 years.

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41 of 61. noordinaryspider    Lower Northwestern New Auschwitz, CA | Member 26878, Joined Nov 09, 2004 | 252 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 19:07

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I note that he is 33 years old. Isn't that the age that Jesus was supposedly when he was crucified?

Yes.

-----------------If you can feel that staying human is worthwhile, even when it can't have any result whatever, you've beaten them.--George Orwell, 1984

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42 of 61. RobMich    Ohio and Texas | Member 9301, Joined Nov 03, 2002 | 455 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 19:16

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On 2005-04-28 18:45, 8percenter wrote: I confess- I've also been emotionally disturbed for the past 4 1/2 years.

I second that confession. And raise you a couple more years. Bunnypants was the Governor of my state and instituted a policy that nearly destroyed my wife.

Eric is a brave, genius, artistic patriot whose emotional disturbance should be contagious.

-----------------"Believin' all the lies that they're tellin' ya. Buyin' all the products that they're sellin' ya. They say jump and ya say how high. Ya brain-dead. Ya gotta f&@kin' bullet in ya head." Rage Against the Machine

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43 of 61. chlorocardium    VA | Member 11315, Joined Feb 02, 2003 | 1444 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 19:27

33

yup

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44 of 61. chicken_little_-_not     | Member 7511, Joined Jul 24, 2002 | 167 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 19:35

Anybody got a way we can keep track of this? I really want to make sure that this guy doesn't get lost in the back eddies of this adminstration. We can't let him get locked up in Bellevue without anyone going to bat for him. Where can we contribute to his defense or at the very least send him best wishes and thanks for a job well done.

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45 of 61. biohazard    Rancho los Gatos | Member 21050, Joined Apr 07, 2004 | 232 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 20:00

I wasn't getting any info about Mr. Wallach through the usual suspects, so I e-mailed [email protected] to see if they had any way of knowing how we could help him.

RadioActive Babe

-----------------"For centuries, theologians have been explaining the unknowable in terms of the not-worth-knowing."Henry Louis Mencken

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46 of 61. jackalope     | Member 11949, Joined Feb 25, 2003 | 609 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 20:13

Emotionally disturbed? Keenly aware, perhaps. He may be a playwright and theatre director. (Certainly not the lawyer I googled.)

On edit. My link didn't work. Google his name and look for The Brooklyn Rail.

-----------------If the truth won't float in America, it's no longer America. Cliff Arnebeck

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47 of 61. biohazard    Rancho los Gatos | Member 21050, Joined Apr 07, 2004 | 232 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 20:25

I got the Brooklyn Rail, jackalope, and it sounds as if it could be the Eric Wallach cited. My e-mail to indymed.org had a fatal bounce, so no joy there.

RadioActive Babe

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48 of 61. jackalope     | Member 11949, Joined Feb 25, 2003 | 609 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 20:32

Search on eric+wallach+albee and read the whole interview with Albee. Pay attention to what the interviewer says about war.

-----------------If the truth won't float in America, it's no longer America. Cliff Arnebeck

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49 of 61. glaucon    Michigan | Member 26782, Joined Nov 07, 2004 | 1724 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 21:37

I think this is the same guy.

RIDING UNTIL WE GET THERE by Eric Wallach NYC/IMC

-waging peace in Manhattan -

For eight days I rode my bike with a big PEACE sign on the back wearing an upside-down American flag as a cape. I must have clocked over a hundred miles during the convention randomly riding in circles around midtown confronting people, fellow protestors and the Republicans.

Most of the time when I made eye contact I held up my two-fingered peace sign and quietly waited for a response. When I got a positive sign back it felt as if we had made an agreement that we will both act to restore peace and will live peacefully now in order to see peace in the future.

The majority of the people did not respond or would cursed at me. My only wish is that they had to think about their negative response as they saw the word PEACE on the back of my bike. What do they want? War? Hopefully a seed of doubt was planted.

From time to time I sang my own Passover song, “Get Out of Egypt”. The lyrics include: “Bush lied, we cried. The news said he was right. The Constitution has died. So get out and shout tonight.” Sometimes I sang “Here Comes the Sun” with one word changed in the opening lyrics: “Little darling, it seems like years since PEACE has been here.”

Most of the younger cops nodded their support or raised their hands with a thumbs up or a peace sign themselves. Fortunately, no officers actually forced me to stop as long as I kept the flow and didn’t get in the way. My heart goes out to all those patriots who were arrested and their bikes confiscated.

The fluidity and freedom of my bike enabled me to be anywhere and everywhere during the demonstrations. I was able to join the Green Dragon’s Paul Revere ride announcing “The Republicans are coming!” and I was one of the 5,000 bikes in the Critical Mass ride. I walked my bike in the United for Peace and Justice march and rode all over the city during the August 31st day of direct actions.

I saw a live board game of American Oligopoly that had our present Big Business political landscape represented and the Bush crew playing the Kerry party. I also caught the Eyes Wide Open installation in Central Park with boots and shoes representing the troops and civilians killed in Iraq.

On the last night of the convention my bike ride rant boiled down to, “Hey delegates, news flash: Bush is lying to you!” One Republican man mouthed quietly to me that he knew Bush was lying, to which I said, “When you go in your voting booth you don’t have to vote for him.” Before popping into a cab he whispered, “I’m not.”

I’m writing this all down not for self-congratulation but in the hopes that this may inspire other bikers to devise their own signs and songs. Even though the convention is over, it is imperative that we continue our direct confrontation as often as possible. Let’s go to the tourist traps in the City and engage those Americans that need to reconsider their vote.

The work isn’t over when we have so far to go. Let’s divide and conquer.

Power to the peaceful.

Eric Wallach September 5, 2004

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50 of 61. dag    Planet Starbucks | Member 1679, Joined Jun 19, 2001 | 5265 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 22:49

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On 2005-04-28 16:24, mmmmchemiweapons wrote:

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Not me! I'm 100% normal, an extremely well-adjusted American consumer. I drive an SUV and drink Starbucks coffee. I listen to Britney Spears and watch American Idol, and never think about unpleasant thoughts like war, torture, poverty, corruption, or anything like that.

Hey now, don't make fun of me, but I actually watch American Idol, it's my guilty pleasure since its the only one of the stupid "reality tv" shows I watch.

It's alright. Don't make fun of me, but I actually do drive an SUV. A relative recently went abroad and gave it to me in her absence, so now I actually do drive an SUV, to my great shame. But I only drive it sparingly, and still ride my bike and use the metro as my primary forms of transportation.

I also drink Starbucks coffee. My aunt likes to give out Starbucks gift cards for Christmas, so I end up drinking about 20 bucks worth of Starbucks coffee a year. I remember when I got arrested at the RNC, when my arresting officer emptied my wallet and came across my Starbucks card, he said, "Hey, I thought you guys hated Starbucks." I said, "Well, I do, but it's a gift card. Of course I'll drink free coffee." I wish I said something like, "Yeah well I thought you guys like donuts."

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And like everyone else's concerns, I hope this is not a precursor for activity in Iran. Our boys will be truly and utterly fuckeded with the possibility of facing comibined support of Iran, China, India and Russia. Please tell me even the BFEE isn't that stoopid and/or arrogant.

I think there is a pretty good chance Bush will launch a war against Iran. It is completely insane, but so was invading Iraq. Everything these guys do is insane. The reason I think they will go after Iran is because Iran has switched to the euro for its oil transactions with the EU, and is moving to set up a new oil exchange market called the Bourse. Iran has very strong political and economic ties with Europe, and setting up this Bourse might lead to the euro supplanting the dollar as the world's oil currency. This cannot happen.

The Bushies also have a very keen interest in making sure that the EU's diplomatic efforts do not succeed. If multilateralism proves successful, it will discredit Bush's doctrine of pre-emptive war. This also cannot happen. I think we're going to war.

-----------------No more presidents, no more wars.

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51 of 62. glaucon    Michigan | Member 26782, Joined Nov 07, 2004 | 1724 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-28 22:54

And by the way, the Eric Wallach, Director and Playwright of "Interview with Edward Albee," from the Brooklyn Rail has the same email as the Eric Wallach from "Riding until we get there."

[email protected]

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52 of 62. jackalope     | Member 11949, Joined Feb 25, 2003 | 609 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-29 00:05

Nice sleuthing, glaucon.

-----------------If the truth won't float in America, it's no longer America. Cliff Arnebeck

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53 of 62. Mickey_P     | Member 17738, Joined Oct 20, 2003 | 279 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-29 09:54

"Emotionally disturbed"

Anyone who isn't emotionally disturbed by an unnecessary war is pathologically disturbed.

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54 of 62. biohazard    Rancho los Gatos | Member 21050, Joined Apr 07, 2004 | 233 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-29 11:43

Thank you, glaucon. I sent an email to [email protected], "axing" if he's da man and needs a few shekels.

If he's being tranquilised out of his gourd at a hospital, it may be awhile before we hear from him!

RadioActive Babe

-----------------"For centuries, theologians have been explaining the unknowable in terms of the not-worth-knowing."Henry Louis Mencken

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55 of 62. glaucon    Michigan | Member 26782, Joined Nov 07, 2004 | 1724 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-29 11:52

WTF????

Follow this link, for Wallach's story "Riding until We Get there," from IndyMedia, which worked fine yesterday.

IndyMedia

Freepers have fucking re-routed it!

Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realize we cannot eat money. --Cree Indian Proverb

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56 of 62. glaucon    Michigan | Member 26782, Joined Nov 07, 2004 | 1724 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-29 11:55

Here's what you get now (and it's the same with the link to the original pictures):

g00ns r00ted th1s

You have lied to the American People over and over again. You attend The Fifth Hope and spread your wicked ideology there. Expect more of this. American Imperialism is non-existent. Our soldiers are dying over sees to give men, women, and children a taste of freedom and you call them imperialists. You are nothing but pigs. You are not against Bush you are against Republicans, you are against anyone who has a different opinion and way of thinking than you. Your box got rooted for lying to the American people. Here are some fun things for the visitors:

http://www.g00ns.com http://www.g00ns-forum.com

How do they accomplish something like this???

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57 of 62. Ohiogirl    Home of the wide-eyed and corn-fed | Member 21667, Joined May 04, 2004 | 131 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-29 12:26

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On 2005-04-29 11:55, glaucon wrote: Here's what you get now (and it's the same with the link to the original pictures):

g00ns r00ted th1s

You have lied to the American People over and over again. You attend The Fifth Hope and spread your wicked ideology there. Expect more of this. American Imperialism is non-existent. Our soldiers are dying over sees to give men, women, and children a taste of freedom and you call them imperialists. You are nothing but pigs. You are not against Bush you are against Republicans, you are against anyone who has a different opinion and way of thinking than you. Your box got rooted for lying to the American people. Here are some fun things for the visitors:

http://www.g00ns.com http://www.g00ns-forum.com

How do they accomplish something like this???

[ This message was edited by: glaucon on 2005-04-29 12:05 ]

Yeah, good question. They found a weakness in Indymedia's server, got in, and made themselves admins. That gave them privileges to deface the site.

I went to their "site." All locked down tight. Probably tracked that I came from here, which means they may come here to try to hack this site. Hope Smirky's got some hard-ass protection on his servers.

Their "site" seems to be a combo of animé and ratwing extremism. Skins on their forums are all black--interesting choice. They sure got real bent over Eric. Also seem to be "bent" on defending reepers vs. god-boy. Why, I wonder. Is this a new reep front to "attack and defend" the internets from libruls?

How to fight back? Out these little fuckers? I have no server/web/hacker kung-fu at all.

I don't know if "r00ted" vs "routed" means anything. Is it a "piracy" thing like "warez"? I see they can't spell "over sees." What's the Fifth Hope? What wicked ideology? Disagreement with the reep party line?

Curious curious curious. A DeLay mystery--who's the vermin?

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58 of 62. dag    Planet Starbucks | Member 1679, Joined Jun 19, 2001 | 5265 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-29 12:26

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On 2005-04-29 11:55, glaucon wrote: How do they accomplish something like this???

With a little help from the FBI, the Fascist Bureau of Investigation.

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59 of 62. Ohiogirl    Home of the wide-eyed and corn-fed | Member 21667, Joined May 04, 2004 | 131 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-29 13:17

Fifth Hope links

Hm. Seems to be a hacker conference. My guess is that the g00ns don't like this group, 'cause it looks like the attendees may be of "The Left." Apparently hacker know-how should only be a privilege of fascists.

I noted that at least one of the links on this page were hacked by these jerks. I also noted that NYC Independent Media was there.

Curious curious curious.

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60 of 62. glaucon    Michigan | Member 26782, Joined Nov 07, 2004 | 1724 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-29 13:27

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On 2005-04-29 13:17, Ohiogirl wrote: Fifth Hope links

Hm. Seems to be a hacker conference. My guess is that the g00ns don't like this group, 'cause it looks like the attendees may be of "The Left." Apparently hacker know-how should only be a privilege of fascists.

I noted that at least one of the links on this page were hacked by these jerks. I also noted that NYC Independent Media was there.

Curious curious curious.

link doesn't work, even after the extra "http" is deleted.

-----------------Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realize we cannot eat money.--Cree Indian Proverb

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61 of 62. Ohiogirl    Home of the wide-eyed and corn-fed | Member 21667, Joined May 04, 2004 | 131 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-29 13:46

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On 2005-04-29 13:27, glaucon wrote:

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~~snip!!~~ Curious curious curious.

link doesn't work, even after the extra "http" is deleted.

-----------------

Hi glaucon,

Hm. Link from my corn-puter works; no double http, either. Must be something I did in the link.

Try to copy/paste this link: http://www.the-fifth-hope.org/hoop/

Having the hoop in the URL works for me, but maybe that won't work for you, so try without if necessary.

Otherwise google "Fifth Hope" in quotes for lots of links!

Og

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62 of 62. biohazard    Rancho los Gatos | Member 21050, Joined Apr 07, 2004 | 233 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-29 20:05

I've received a coupla e-mail responses from [email protected], and he mentioned he's getting plenty of legal help. He rather skirted the issue of whether he was going to get hammered on the fees, but did give me sound advice on those beastly "patriotic" magnetic ribbons. Just move 'em to cover the fuel door. Prolly too subtle for the freepers, though.

RadioActive Babe

-----------------"For centuries, theologians have been explaining the unknowable in terms of the not-worth-knowing."Henry Louis Mencken

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63 of 63. rtconsult     | Member 8945, Joined Oct 23, 2002 | 129 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-29 20:54

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On 2005-04-28 08:48, helios wrote: Naturally, the police will issue a statement to the press that the man, Eric Wallach, was "emotionally disturbed" and the press will run with it gleefully. That is standard police procedure along with slapping him with the resisting arrest and disorderly person beefs. It is also standard procedure for the MSM press to portray any protester as a kook.

Wallach's ingenious street theatre war protest was emotionally disturbing, but that was the point, wasn't it ? Wallach juxtaposed powerful symbols to make his statement and the resultant image was provacative. But that is what art is supposed to do: move the emotions of the viewer.

Wallach is an artist and I applaud him.

-----------------

I applaud this talented artist with a big BUMP. I wish the sleeping Americans do rise and see this man's art and condemn what the power hungry white house officials have done to this country.

Shame on the coward police officials for being unkind to the real person and using their unfair authorities in an unlawful manner.

I want a free press we use to have instead of the shameful press we now have.

I wish I can get back my pre 2000 America back.

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64 of 71. ebwally     | Member 29676, Joined Apr 30, 2005 | 1 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-30 18:33

To those who have read this article,

Thank you for your kind words and wishes

I'm sure I'll be able to deal with my legal issues. I've been charged with Disorderly conduct (a violation) and Obstruction of Governmental Administration in the second degree (a misdemeanor, piunishable up to a year in jail) - that's because I was standing in front of the street signs. All my lawyer friends say I have a good case.

The event went off very well. The image was clear and the message got out.

The cops and the "criminals" I met in The System were respectful and supportive.

The story got on a couple of news channels and published in a couple of newspapers. (FYI: The Associated Press and New York Times were notified but would not come downtown for just one person's protest ...)

See my neighborhood paper's account: http://www.thevillager.com/villager_104/thepassionofastor.html

I hope as you do that those who want a future free of war will create their own actions. If one person takes a stab at the war racketeers everyday, we'll certainly slow them down, til one day, the machine will stop.

I believe as you do. We'll get there one day.

Til peace shines on I'll remain ripe for the fight

Sincerely,

Eric

Forward please.

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65 of 71. glaucon    Michigan | Member 26782, Joined Nov 07, 2004 | 1956 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-30 18:36

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On 2005-04-30 18:33, ebwally wrote: To those who have read this article,

Thank you for your kind words and wishes

Best wishes and warm regards, Eric!

You're famous, you know!

And rightly so...

Carry on the good work, brother.

Peace!

-----------------Now, I know that standards have slipped over the last few years in Washington, but for a lawyer, you're remarkably cavalier with any idea of justice. --Galloway

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66 of 71. dag    Planet Starbucks | Member 1679, Joined Jun 19, 2001 | 5445 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-30 18:56

Eric, thank you so much for your brave act of defiance. It was truly inspirational, something that I will remember and keep in mind for quite some time.

Every time I have second thoughts about committing some act of protest that puts my soul on the line and opens me up to ridicule, I will think of your crucifixion protest in New York City, and remember your bravery. I hope everyone else does too.

Thanks again, and the best of luck with your case. For what it's worth, I'm currently suing New York for my unlawful arrest during the RNC. Hopefully our lawsuit affects your case in some way. Hopefully they decide to dismiss your charges.

Solidarity forever,

Dag

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67 of 71. Getsen    Ununited States of Amerrykillin | Member 15541, Joined Jul 21, 2003 | 1422 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-30 19:43

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On 2005-04-30 18:33, ebwally wrote: To those who have read this article,

Thank you for your kind words and wishes

I'm sure I'll be able to deal with my legal issues. I've been charged with Disorderly conduct (a violation) and Obstruction of Governmental Administration in the second degree (a misdemeanor, piunishable up to a year in jail) - that's because I was standing in front of the street signs. All my lawyer friends say I have a good case.

The event went off very well. The image was clear and the message got out.

The cops and the "criminals" I met in The System were respectful and supportive.

The story got on a couple of news channels and published in a couple of newspapers. (FYI: The Associated Press and New York Times were notified but would not come downtown for just one person's protest ...)

See my neighborhood paper's account: http://www.thevillager.com/villager_104/thepassionofastor.html

I hope as you do that those who want a future free of war will create their own actions. If one person takes a stab at the war racketeers everyday, we'll certainly slow them down, til one day, the machine will stop.

I believe as you do. We'll get there one day.

Til peace shines on I'll remain ripe for the fight

Sincerely,

Eric

Forward please.

Thank you for being a real American.

-----------------America........let humanity be your God!-Getsen 2005

I am a free thinker.......or at least they haven't figured out how to tax or invoice me for it yet!-Getsen 2003

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68 of 71. glaucon    Michigan | Member 26782, Joined Nov 07, 2004 | 1956 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-30 19:54

Eric,

Could you speak to the issue of how you view the relationship between theater and protest? Has your interest in the theater affected how you plan and execute your public works of "art?"

Or am I being too frigging cerebral?

on edit: I place art in quotation marks, not in order to belittle it, but to acknowledge that many people do not view public protest as a form of theater.

[ This message was edited by: glaucon on 2005-04-30 20:02 ]

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69 of 71. Jinx_dragon     | Member 18989, Joined Dec 19, 2003 | 100 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-30 20:00

Disorderly conduct I can understand, I would still fight it though because it is a crap charge that doesn’t over write the first amendment. The second one made me sit up though, what sort of… Obstruction of Governmental Administration? What the hell, that just makes all protests illegal in that one move. Besides how did you obstruct any administration at all? You weren’t hanged up inside city hall, blocking the doorway to a court room or something of the likes…

Crap charges, fight them my friend and you should easily win. You have my best wishes for it. Some people think protesting is the whole fight, but it is only one of the many fights to come. If they get away with locking up protestors, then we won’t have a voice either. Fight all the charges and win, then bring around charges of your own. Hurt them financially and it will become better for the city to ignore non-violent protestors then arrest them en-masses for no charges or stupid ones like these.

You have our support, and the support of nearly everyone who saw the protest.

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70 of 71. chlorocardium    VA | Member 11315, Joined Feb 02, 2003 | 1577 posts

 

Posted: 2005-04-30 21:40

Ebwally, many thanks for expressing yourself. We lose our rights if we do not practice them.

I applaud the concept, execution (oops), and the entire theatrical insight that the police were invited to participate in, in front of the world, as they ended your protest art (which was the beginning of it for us...).

May the stone roll away from the charges made against you, and may we all have the courage to tell the world what we think.

-----------------And they thought it couldn't happen here ~ Frank Zappa

Will you tell us when to live, will you tell us when to die? ~ Cat Stevens

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71 of 71. biohazard    Rancho los Gatos | Member 21050, Joined Apr 07, 2004 | 265 posts

 

Posted: 2005-05-01 16:58

Hello, ebwally, it's wonderful you've joined, and great to hear from you. Hope you've a chance to log on now and then--the SC has some great contributors that're very thoughtful, well-informed, and articulate.

RadioActive Babe (ya know, from the hinterlands of South Dakota)

-----------------"I do not consider it an insult, but rather a compliment to be called an agnostic. I do not pretend to know where many ignorant men are sure--that is all that agnosticism means."Clarence Darrow

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Wed Apr-27-05 09:48 PMOriginal message

Anti-War Protester Ties Himself to Utility Pole-Check Out the Picture

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 CottonBear 

 Apr-27-05 09:52 PM 

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 ClintonTyree 

 Apr-27-05 09:56 PM 

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 Lone Pawn 

 Apr-27-05 10:13 PM 

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INCLUDEPICTURE "http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/images/reply_message.gif" \* MERGEFORMATINET this is what they would do to Jesus if he were on our streets today ...

 NVMojo 

 Apr-27-05 10:17 PM 

 #17 

  

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 Lone Pawn 

 Apr-27-05 10:19 PM 

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 chlamor 

 Apr-27-05 10:48 PM 

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 Apr-27-05 10:56 PM 

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 Name removed 

 Apr-27-05 11:00 PM 

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INCLUDEPICTURE "http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/images/reply_message.gif" \* MERGEFORMATINET "Get a life." is never a very convincing insult on the Internet.

 Lone Pawn 

 Apr-27-05 11:03 PM 

 #26 

  

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 glaucon 

 Apr-27-05 11:07 PM 

 #27 

  

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 Lone Pawn 

 Apr-28-05 12:07 PM 

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 Tigress DEM 

 Apr-28-05 12:31 AM 

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 Lone Pawn 

 Apr-28-05 11:37 AM 

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 otohara 

 Apr-28-05 11:47 AM 

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 Tigress DEM 

 Apr-28-05 07:10 PM 

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 Tigress DEM 

 Apr-28-05 12:20 AM 

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 Lone Pawn 

 Apr-28-05 11:36 AM 

 #57 

  

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 Apr-28-05 07:20 PM 

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 chlamor 

 Apr-28-05 09:28 PM 

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 Tigress DEM 

 Apr-28-05 11:47 PM 

 #95 

  

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 okasha 

 Apr-28-05 10:43 PM 

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 bobbieinok 

 Apr-28-05 10:57 PM 

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 hollowdweller 

 Apr-28-05 07:38 PM 

 #87 

  

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 Apr-28-05 11:49 PM 

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 Apr-28-05 10:59 AM 

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 Apr-28-05 11:37 AM 

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 Apr-28-05 01:57 PM 

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 Apr-27-05 11:38 PM 

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 Tigress DEM 

 Apr-28-05 12:35 AM 

 #37 

  

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 Apr-28-05 03:06 PM 

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 AuntiBush 

 Apr-28-05 03:21 PM 

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 Apr-29-05 12:03 AM 

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 Apr-29-05 12:15 AM 

 #98 

  

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 Apr-28-05 10:16 PM 

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 leftofthedial 

 Apr-29-05 01:13 PM 

 #106 

  

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 vptpt 

 Apr-27-05 09:52 PM 

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 Apr-27-05 09:56 PM 

 #3 

     

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 mmonk 

 Apr-27-05 10:02 PM 

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 Apr-28-05 09:50 AM 

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 Apr-28-05 12:22 PM 

 #62 

  

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 demgurl 

 Apr-27-05 09:57 PM 

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 Apr-27-05 10:00 PM 

 #7 

  

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 Apr-27-05 09:59 PM 

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 chlamor 

 Apr-27-05 10:03 PM 

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 Tigress DEM 

 Apr-28-05 12:52 AM 

 #38 

  

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 glaucon 

 Apr-27-05 10:06 PM 

 #10 

  

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 Apr-27-05 10:26 PM 

 #19 

     

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 glaucon 

 Apr-27-05 10:30 PM 

 #21 

        

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 DistressedAmerican 

 Apr-28-05 08:09 AM 

 #47 

  

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 FtWayneBlue 

 Apr-27-05 10:07 PM 

 #11 

  

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 lonestarnot 

 Apr-27-05 10:15 PM 

 #15 

  

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 Atman 

 Apr-27-05 10:08 PM 

 #12 

  

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 shance 

 Apr-27-05 10:10 PM 

 #13 

  

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 NVMojo 

 Apr-27-05 10:16 PM 

 #16 

  

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 Catholic Sensation 

 Apr-27-05 11:26 PM 

 #28 

     

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 RetroLounge 

 Apr-29-05 01:06 PM 

 #105 

  

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 NYC 

 Apr-27-05 10:27 PM 

 #20 

  

INCLUDEPICTURE "http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/images/reply_message.gif" \* MERGEFORMATINET "Emotionally DISTURBED"?

 BiggJawn 

 Apr-27-05 10:34 PM 

 #22 

  

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