ליקוט ועריכת המצגת )בלבד( – יגאל מורג.

Editing )only !( Yigal Morag

English version - Dubon

THEY…AND US…

Thoughts, Facts and Pictures

Last week, for no extraordinary reason, I received two mails that contained amazing facts related to the conflict between the Jews/ Israel vs. the Palestinian. As if these were not enough - On Wednesday, Channel 10 program - "The Source" aired an impressive report on the hostility against Israel around the world, and the expressions of hatred towards us. The boycott of Israeli products started on products from "occupied territories ", but now it is carried against all Israeli products.

While taking a break in typing those words, I read in the weekend magazin of "Ma'ariv” a fascinating interview with Israel's ambassador to the UN – Prof. Gavriela Shalev, who nowadays, is at the end of task. She tells how our name has been demeaned , how much the international press is biased against us, and how difficult it is today to try to explain aggressive )often justified( activities of the State of Israel.

One example was about an interview she gave to the TV, during the “Cast Lead” operation in Gaza. While she was being interviewed in the TV studio, trying to persuade that Israel could not forsake its citizens )then under constant shelling of Hamas( the screen was divided: one half showed her while the second half showed a wounded Palestinian child whose limbs had been torn by IDF bombing ... There was no question to whom the sympathy of the viewers was aimed!

Asked why she did not show, the wounded children of Sderot? She answered: "we do not descend to this level!” Which is probably just our problem. We conduct our activities and publications according to "Western culture", while our enemies despise truth and facts.

Do we have any chance to win in this kind of struggle?

The chanel 10 program mentioned earlier, interviewed a leader of thr association that promotes “boycott Israeli producrs” campaign, an elderly straightforward Englishman. Among others he was asked why did’nt he raise his voice and demand a boycott on Russia, for example, whose attrocities in Chchenia are much worse and the number of civilians killed is many times fold than in Gaza, or the United States actions in Afghanistan ... and a some other similar cases, the man answered cynically “Our actions would hardly tickle them and besides no decision against them could ever pass the UN. You are small and vulnerable, one can act agains you and succeed!

Now back to the emails I mentioned at the beginning. Firstly an interesting book, and then some surprising pictures.

Yigal Morag

From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab-Jewish Conflict over Palestine is a 1984 book by Joan Peters about demographics of the Arab population of Palestine before the formation of the State of Israel According to the book a large fraction of the Arabs of Palestine were not descendants of long-term residents of Palestine at the time of the formation of Israel in 1948, but had arrived in waves of immigration starting in the 19th century and continuing through the period of the British Mandate.

Translator’s note: The book was lauded by some reviewers upon release but has also been heavily criticized by many others, mainly anti-Zionists like Finkelstein and Chomsky . For a more balanced opinion I suggest reading an article by Prof. Yehusua Porath of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, who criticises sharply the scientific value of the book, without denying most of the basic facts. Thttp://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/1986/jan/16/mrs-peterss-palestine/

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Are the Moslems “new immigrants”?   From J. Peters book From Time Immemorial

Long before Zionism, in 1859, only 4000 Moslem inhabitants lived in Jerusalem, they amounted to 30% of the population. At the eve of world war I, their

percentage dwindled to 14% only. The numbers are as follows: 

totalCristiansMoslemsJews

13,3403,340(25%)

4,000(30%)

6,000( 45%)

45,5208,748(19%(

8,560(19%)

28,112(62%)

45,5208,748( 19%)8,560(19%)

28,288(62%)

70,00015,000(21%)

10,000(14%)

45,000(64%)

A few facts about the population of Jerusalem in the 19th cebtury

Year

1859

1896

1900

1912

The majority of the Muslim population living today in Jerusalem migrated after Zionism, to make a living among the Jews and in English, just as nowadays, “refugees” from Sudan and other African countries smuggle into Israel to get a job. The “Shahid” Yasser Arafat, declared he was born in Jerusalem. Actually he was born in Egypt to a family originated from North Africa. His family moved to Jerusalem to make a living. In the economic boom created by Zionist immigration.

Translator’s note: The numbers are correct for Jerusalem, where a Jewish majority has been known since early 19 century. In the whole country, Jews were a minority. Before Zionist immigration, most Jews lived in the “holy cities” : Jerusalem, Hebron, Tzfat and Tiberias. Plus small Jewish communities scattered in all other parts of the land including some villages )e.g. Peqi’in(.

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Guy Bechor – on J.Peters book)Guy Bechor is an Israeli Journalist(… It is the duty of every Jew and Israeli to know the facts if he wants to cope with the falsifying though very successing Arab Propaganda. We should demand that the Ministry of Education will erect a team of experts to prepare new history books based on research and expose the facts that have been unknown till now.No wonder that the Arabs managed to spread and exagerate their lies to monstreoius dimensions. Arab mentality has not been acustomed to look and cope with truth. On the otherhand, they adopt lies and tend to believe vehemently in the stories they invent. Ther is hardly any self criticism of any kind in Arab culture. Whenever an Arab Moslem rises and tries to make a kind of soul searching, a “fatwa” )a religious order( is issued and he is lucky if he can keep his head on his shoulders.

Arabs brain wash the minds of their children, And are doing the same to the rest of the world.Israel cannot compete with the same weapons. Our values are different and thee is no reason to argue against the situation. We can succeed if and when, we’ll recognize the historical facts and will broadcast it from all the screens and forums. The only way to fight lies is by presenting the

truth !

כשהיא הגיעה לאיזור כעיתונאית, היתה עמדתה דומה לעמדה השלטת בעולם. היא עצמה באה ממקום של פעילת זכויות אדם.

על שקרים ניתן לגבור רק בעזרת הצגת האמת.כל עוד מדינת ישראל ומדינאיה, כלל אינם מכירים את המתנה ההיסטורית שהם קיבלו מהחוקרת היסודית  ג'ואן פיטרס שסיפקה לנו מתנה שאנחנו לא השכלנו

לייצר בעצמנו, אין לנו יכולת להתמודד נגד השקר הערבי.

When Joan Peters came here in the first time as a and journalist human rights activists, her opinions were similar to the common state of mind. She was shocked to reveal the true facts. It is unbelievable that we don’t even bother to learn these facts.In her preface to the Hebrew edition Peters writes: ”… it is imperative that the essential arguments are based on facts, the alternative is to bury selectively certains facts because “they do not lead to peace”. This alternative fan lead to a creation of an unjustified open void in the understanding of how the conflict evolved … wordings based on distortion and perverted history cannot hold water for long.”The name of the book “From Time Immemorial” markes the the start of the dispersion of the greatest lie in history by the UN that surrendered to the Arab world.According to th UN deffinition, a refugee is someone who lived in a certain place “from time immemorial”, generation after generation, and one cannot remember was had been before. Under Arab pressure the UN created a special deffinition for Arabs who had fled Palestine in 1947-8. Any Arab who lived in Palestine 2 )TWO !!( years before 1948 has the right to receive from the UN all benefits of a refugee. This was the foundation of the geatest lie in history !

               

MEDIA MATTERSFilm to 'dispel Arab propaganda'

Based on groundbreaking book contesting 'myths' of Holy Land conflict

Posted: May 20, 20021:00 am Eastern

By Art Moore© 2010 WorldNetDaily.com

Is Arab propaganda shaping the predominant view of the Holy Land conflict? That is the claim of a planned documentary film based on Joan Peters' groundbreaking best seller" 

From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab-Jewish Conflict."

Peters is a former White House foreign policy adviser for the Middle East and a self-described liberal who set out to investigate the plight of the Palestinian refugees.

When she went to Israel in the mid-1970s "the deprivation of Arab refugees' human rights and the political manipulation of their unfortunate situation were unconscionable

to me," she wrote in her book, "particularly because it seemed their plight had been prolonged by a mechanism funded predominantly by contributions from the United

States".

Seven years of intensive, original research, however, led Peters to an unexpected conclusion: Arab political and territorial claims to Israel are based on a myth.

Current international efforts to find a peaceful solution to the conflict largely are based on those false premises, she believes.

"The problem is truth has taken a back seat, and all of the bogus claims of the Arabs have destroyed the context," Peters told WorldNetDaily. "It would be like the Germans

saying the Jews had killed 6 million Germans during World War II".

The 18 years of Middle East history that have passed since her book was published have only confirmed her account, she believes.

From her well-sourced study – 189 of the book's more than 500 pages are devoted to footnotes and appendices – Peters concluded that the Palestinian refugees are being

sacrificed at the expense of the agenda of Arab states.

The "refugee problem," she maintains, was created as a public relations weapon to help the Arab world justify its goal of annihilating the Jewish state of Israel.

The Palestinian Jews are the only continuous residents of the Holy Land, she concluded from her research.

"Contrary to Arab propaganda," Peters wrote, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries "Arabs or Arabic-speaking migrants were wandering in search of subsistence all over the Middle East. The land of 'Palestine' proper had been laid waste, causing peasants to flee.

Jews and 'Zionism' never left the Holy Land, even after the Roman conquest in A.D. 70".

Critical acclaim

When it was published in 1984, her book drew critical acclaim from historians such as the late Theodore H. White and publications such as the New Republic, Atlantic

Monthly and Los Angeles Times.

Negative reviews since then largely have come from left-leaning scholars such as DePaul University political science professor Norman G. Finkelstein, a Jew whose parents

survived the Warsaw Ghetto. He took Peters to task in his 1995 book "Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict".

Finkelstein wrote, "That a scholarly work meets with critical acclaim would hardly be news, were it not for the fact that 'From Time Immemorial' is among the most

spectacular frauds ever published on the Arab-Israeli conflict".

He contends that Peters' documentation of massive illegal Arab immigration into Palestine is "almost entirely falsified" and asserts that conclusions "Peters draws from her demographic study of Palestine's indigenous Arab population are not borne out by

the data she presents".

White, on the other hand, called Peters' work a "superlative book" that traces Middle East history with "unmatched skill".

A Los Angeles Times review said of "From Time Immemorial": "The reader comes away not only rethinking the Middle East refugee problem, but also the extent to which

propaganda can be swallowed whole for lack of information.

'The Myth'

The film's maker, veteran television producer Isidore Rosmarin, said Peters' book changed his view of the Middle East.

"I used to consider myself pretty well-versed in current events and the broad strokes of what goes on in various parts of the world," said Rosmarin, an Emmy Award nominee

who has produced features for programs such as "60 Minutes" and "Dateline".

"I didn't have a clue about the truth of the situation until this book," he told WorldNetDaily. "Somebody handed it to me, and I read it, and it knocked my socks off".

Rosmarin said the documentary, titled "The Myth," is in the research stage, in need of funding to go ahead with a six-month production schedule.

Rosmarin wants to see the final product distributed not only on broadcast and cable television but through showings at schools, college campuses, libraries and local groups.

It will not be a propaganda film, maintains consultant William Helmreich, professor of sociology and Judaic studies at City University of New York and City College and co-

director of The Conflict Resolution Center.

"The purpose is to present facts," Helmreich said in a WorldNetDaily interview. "That facts happen to swing one way or another does not make it a propaganda film. If we did a factual film about the Nazis, they wouldn't end up being portrayed in a positive way.

There is right and there is wrong. Not everything is relative. And the curse of relativism is one that has spread from the campuses of America to the government as well".

Policy of relativism

Helmreich believes that relativism has hampered U.S. policy in the Middle East.

"I think that for too long the Bush administration – as had been the case with previous administrations – has pursued a policy of 'You're right and you're right, you're wrong and you're wrong, you give a little, and you give a little,'" he said. "… I think the purpose of

the documentary is to demonstrate that if any wrong has been perpetrated it has been upon the Israelis and not upon the Palestinians".

Peters believes the U.S. must "get rid of the entire mindset about Arab countries being beneficent and necessary" to its well being.

"They are a small part of the Muslim world," she said of the Arabs, "and by kowtowing to their impossibly monstrous demands we are leaving out all the millions of Indonesian

and Malaysian Muslims and others who are not Arab. We need not be dictated to by monsters who keep their own people as human bombs instead of rehabilitating them, as

they have had so many chances to do".

Helmreich concedes "there are times when you have to have an even-handed policy, when you have to talk about balance, but there is also something called right and

wrong".

He noted that "the United States doesn't feel it's necessary to have an even-handed presentation of its own position on global terrorism and Osama bin Laden. It sees itself

as being in the right in the fight against terrorism".

Drowned history

Peters' book was published in Hebrew in 1987 and became a best seller in Israel.

"Many (Israelis) were very shocked at this book," she said. "There were a lot of things they said they didn't know and some things they were sure of, and the documented

evidence gave them proof".

But she contends that in a desperate effort to achieve peace, the Israelis put aside that history during the failed Oslo process that began in 1993.

"From Oslo's advent until the unbelievably stupid offer by Israel to get rid of everything, they tried to drown the history and pretend it didn't exist," she said.

Helmreich, who taught for three years at Hebrew University in Israel, believes Peters' most important point, particularly from a diplomatic standpoint, is that Arabs were not occupying the Holy Land as a "Palestinian" people or as an entity for the thousands of

years that they claim.

"It is clear that a lot of the Palestinians migrated to the area in the early to mid part of the 20th century, that many of the people who lived in these villages came from other

countries, such as Egypt, as far away as even Libya, and that they are not the indigenous people to the land that they claim," he said.

When the British controlled the area during the post-World War I mandate period it was not in their interest to challenge Arab claims to the territory, Helmreich said. Squatters

who came to the land at that time were later deemed to be Palestinians.

Peters' historical record indicates that by disguising the Arab immigrants as "indigenous native Palestinian Arabs" the British justified restrictions on Jewish immigration and

settlement, which prevented masses of European Jews from escaping destruction by the Nazis.

She challenges the assertion that Arabs and Jews coexisted harmoniously for centuries in the Arab world, documenting that Jews and other non-Muslims were second-class

citizens under Islamic law and suffered oppression in the Muslim world for more than a millennium. She maintains that this prejudicial tradition of hostility underlies every Arab

action toward Israel.

"I think that if the book is properly represented in this film, the issue of who really was on this land, and in what proportion, will be greatly clarified," Helmreich said. "Right

now it's as if the Israelis came to a land where millions of Palestinians were sitting, they were the interlopers, and they threw them off the land".

He acknowledges that when Arab nations attacked Israel upon its formation in 1948 some Arabs were forced to leave, as happens in any war. But most were told by the five

attacking Arab nations to leave and then come back after Israel had been wiped out.

"Well, history turned out otherwise," Helmreich said. "The Israelis made the unfortunate mistake of winning, so there wasn't any land for them to come back to".

Peters says her research shows that for every Arab refugee who left Israel in 1948, there was a Jewish refugee who fled or was expelled from his Arab birthplace at the same

time.

She points out that a Palestinian state already exists, Jordan, which "became the Arab independent state within Palestine, despite the fact that all 'Palestine' had been

designated as a 'Jewish National Home"'.

Peters wrote: "Since the land of Israel – mainly the Jewish-inhabited land in 1948 – accounted for less than a fourth of the land originally designated 'Palestine,' and if the

rest of 'Palestine' is inhabited by Jordanian/Palestinians in an Arabstate carved out of the Palestinian "Jewish National Home" – where Jews are forbidden by law from settling –

how, then, can Arabs be said to have been 'excluded' from a 'Palestinian homeland"'?

High demand

Peters has been in high demand for speaking engagements since Sept. 11 and says she is getting an "amazingly wonderful, overwhelmingly positive" response from audiences.

Her main reason for speaking is to get people to read the book because it provides the documentation for the points she makes. Without that, "people are only as good as the

last voice they've heard," she said.

She hopes the film will be "a clone of me and my book".

"There are a lot of colleges and other places that won't have me," she said, "but will have a film".

Here is a batch of pictures taken lately. I present them exactly as I have received them

by email, including the following question

If, in spite of the economic crisis and media coverage, you have managed to travel lately -

have been can you guess where these photographs were taken?

Yigal Morag

DID  YOU  GUESS  RIGHT?   

This is what the media does not show you

!!! Gaza from…

Yes, looks like the Hamas got plenty of money and building material to spend in Gaza, they sure don’t look like as if Starvation and famine are in every street. They surly are working overtime .

ושוב – בתרגום חופשי ותוספת שלי:

הניחשת נכון ??? שהתקשורת אינה מראה לך !!!עזהאז זוהי

כן, ונראה שהחמאס קיבל הרבה כסף וחומרי בנייה להשקיע בעזה, וזה ממש לא נראה כאילו יש מחסור ורעב

ברחובותיה.אז אין ספק שיש גם הרבה הרס עזובה ועוני בעזה, אבל

רעבהמוני ודאי שלא – לידיעת מתכנני המשטים הבאים

כאן אנו מסיימים,ולהזכירכם – התצלומים אינם שלי,

ואינני יכול לקחת על עצמי שום אחריות לזיהוי המקום בו הם צולמו!!!

יגאל מורג.