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Doorkeeper: êlAttentfon, Members of the House of Representatives. The
. House will convene in 5 minutes. All persoas not entitled to
the House floor, please retire to the galleryoê'
Speaker Redmond: ''The House will come to order, the Members please<
be ïn thefr seats. Father Krueger: if Iem a minute early, the
watch that I bought from a very reputable jeweler is off.
Father Krueger. I'm going to have the Clerk pray if you're
not careful.. Late.o.late... We wfll be 1ed fn prayer by the
late Father Kruegera the House Chaplain.''
Father Krueger: ''In the name of the Fathery the Son and the Holy Ghost.
Amen. 0 Lord, Bless this House to Thy service this day. Amen.
John Keats said: 'There is an o1d saying; Well begun is half
done. Tis a bad one. I would use instead; Not begun at al14
1till half done. Let us pray. Almighty Father, our Lord aad lMaster, to Whom'we do bo* our heads in reverence. obedience. '
We give Mxee our thanlcs for this day in our lives as we serve
Members of the House of Representatives of the State' of 1as 1
I Illinois. We beseech Theey O Father to inspire us and to
fire us with decisiveness, that we be able to make a fitting
' and proper determinatioa on the issue now before us tbat will
benefit...that will be of benefft to a11 of the people of the ;41 l
great State of Illinots, through Jesus Chrtst, our Lord. Amen.
Speaker Redmond: ''Bepresentative Roppj-pledge of Alleqianceo''
Ropp: ''I pledge allegiance te the flag of the United States of America.' j
And to the Republic for which it standsy one nation, under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for al1.''
Speaker Redmond: î'Rol1 Call for attendance. Hurry up. Representative
) elFrederfck. Take the record. Take Lbe record. Agreed Resolutions
Clerk o'Brien: nHouse Resolution //2, Griesheimer. House Resolution 3,I
Xahar. House Resolution 4, Matijevich. House Resolution 5, !1
Zulcaheym MOUSC Resolution 6y. Capparellf. House Resolution 8: 1
Mulcahey. House Resolutfon' 9, Polk. House nesolution 10,
Deuster. House Resolution 11, Meyer. uouse Resolution 129
Meyer. House Resolutfon l3, Leen. House Resolutlon l5, Terzich.''
Speaker Redmond: î'Representative Giorgi.''
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Giorgi: nMr. Speaker, I donît have House Resolution 8 and 9. if you waat
to send a copy to me 1111 start on the other Resolutions.
House Resolutfon 2. Honors a Crawford at age 81 as a newspaper
man, from Grieshefmer. Mahar honors Mayor Joseph Stuk.
Natfjevich talks about jazz music in House Resolution 4.
Muleaheyy #5y honors a wedding anniversary. Capparellf's
#6 notes the 50th anniversary. //8 by Mulcahey talks about the
solid foundation of marriage. 9 by Polk notes the dedicatioa
oflpublfc nursing. 10 by Deuster honors Grayslake, Illinois.
Meyers honors the pendfng trfp of Fope John Paul 11 of Chfcago.
lzbdoes the same thing. 13 by Leon..wRepresentative Diprima
signiffes the great work done by the Disabled American Veterens
Office fn Chicago.and 15 by Terzich notes a retirement. I
move fux the adoption of a11 lhe Agreed Resolulious.''
Speaker Redmond: 'lAny discussion? The question is on the Gentleman's
motion for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. Those in
favor say ïayefiïaye' oppose'd lno' The 'ayes' have ït the
motion carries and the Aéreed Resolutions are adopted. Purther
Resolutlons-t'' 1 f, !1Clerk 0 Brien: llouse Resolutfon l4. Taylor.
Speaker Redmond: ''Committee on Assignment. Death Resolutions.'' &
Clerk O'Brien: ''House Resolution l6. Darrow - Polk. With the respect i' . 4yto che memory of Hr. Esley E. Johnson.
Speaker Redmond; ''Representatïve Darrow.f'
Darrou: ''Thank youy Mr. Speaker', Ladies and Gentlemen of the House.
This is a Death Resoution for the graudfather of Representative
Timothy Bell, who is a Member of this House. The pofnt that
we are making in this Resolution. among others, is that this
Gentleman served as 'a Page in thfs House fn approximately 1901.
' father was a Member of this House of Representatives prior lHis. I
lto the turn of the century. He's aa esteemed leader in our
com=lnity. He 'left a daughter, T believey and two sons and we'd
ask for the adoption'of this Resolution.''
Speaker Redmond: ''The Gentleman has moved tbe adoption of the Death
Resolution. Those in favor say 'aye'i'aye' opposed 'no' The
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'ayes' have its the motion carries, the Death Resolution is
adopted. Introduction md First Reading-''
Clerk o'Brten: ''nouse Btll //1. Ratzvcrelman-Braun. A Bill for an
Act making aa appropriation to the Department of Transportatioa.
First Readfng of the Bi11.''
Speaker Redmond: HAnother graduate of the House of Representatives, the
distinguished Senator John D'Arco over here had a very fllustrious
career in the House. We prepared him well. The House wfll
be back in order in 2 oinùtes for the benefit of the Sub-comm4ttee
thatli meeting someplace and for the Members that àre ia the
State Office Building. Two mfnutes. buh? Oh yeah... We've
got the timer on. Roll Call for attendance. Have a11 voted
who are here? Representatfve Brummer, do you want to vote 'yes''
jor do you waat to get paid? Representazive Ryany are there - 1
lany Republicans wbose absence should be excused?''. l
1îWe11, Nr. Speakerz I believe that Representative Capuzi will be lRyaa:t
here, he's not here now, but I think the record ought to show jthat he's absent and wf'll be here a lfttle laeer oa. Representatfye
Reed is absent and Representative Hudson is back v'ith usol'
Speaker Redmond: ''How about Telcser: did he get here from (iicago.''f l
HTelcser will be here qhortly, theylre picking him uplat the j PRyan: 1 i:
airport and he ought to be here in a little bito.-rhe Springfield l1
airport . '' Ispeaker Redmond: ''Any oblecttons to tbose? Representattve Madigan..
Any objection--are you objecttng to the Republican absences?'' lMadigan: ''Mr. Speakers the last word we had from Representative Breslin
was Lhat she was f.rt ro ute . T'/e llave no :: seen her , 5;e have no t: 1iIheard from herj laaybe shels out on the trails somewhere a
few wiles away but tbe record should reflect tha: she is excused
lt this time .'' 'a I
)speaker Redmond: ''Pontiac is a very tuff town. No oblection to the 1
lve Breslin's-. 1Repubtlcan absences, no objection to Representat Ihe is excused . Representative Ewing . lr )s
Ewing: ''Mr. Speaker, your last refenral to Pontiac, Represeatative
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think Representative Hoxsey could probably tell you.''
Speaker Redmond; HWell they always seem to have trouble in Pontïac.
Representative Schaeider did and I assume that everybody else
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Ewfng: ''We11, if Representative Schneider had come to me we probably
could have takea care of ito'' .
Speaker Redmond: HWi11 you elaborate?'l
Ewing: ''No 1'
Speaker Redmond: ''WeFre on Senate Bfll 889. I belfeve ft's Amendmeat
49 Is that correct Mr. Clerk?''
Clerk Leone: Hzmendment //49. Chapman - Sandqutst. Amends Senate Bill 889
as amended in Section 11 and so forthw''
Speaker Redmond: f'I think we have 880 instead of 889 on the board.
Representative Chapmaa.n
Chapman: ''Mr. Speaker, we had quite a' bit of discussion about this
Amendment last night. Anyone who favors the ellmination of
the sales tax on food and medicine should vote for this Amendaent
whfch only fnsofar as the new proposed sales tax for the
six county area is concernedy will eliminate the sales tax
on food and drugs. Howevery it replaces tbe dollars that would
be lost in this way byy rather than eliminatlng the 5 percentJ
R.T.A. gas tax: reduces ft to 2.5 percent and in so doing comes1
up with dollars that fn every year through 1984: for which
it has been projected, wil1 replace the money that sbould be... '
that would be lost through the exemptfon of food and drugs on
this one'cent or one quarter cent sales taxx depending on
which county wefre talking about. To many of us the elfmiaation
. of the sales tax on food and drugs is the priority issue in
this Sesston. Many of us campalgned on this lssqe. Many of
us, in responding to opinion surveys and at candidates meetings
stated that we favored the elimination of the sales tax on
food and drugs. And I think most of us, fn additfon to our
public stateaents, feel very deeply, personally, on this issue.
Thls ls an unfair tax and ft's even more unfair if we are going
to ask the unemployedy the elderly, the poor, to come up with' . . . .
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ask for your support on Amendment //49.î6 ..
ï'î , rSpeaker Redmond: Representative Friedrich.
Friedrfch: HWould the Sponsor yield?''
Speaker Redmond: HShe will.d' '
Friedrich: HI...someone said yesterday that ff the Governor's Veto on
the sales tax elimination on food and drugs was sustainedy was '
overridden that they would be...that would eliminate the tax
you#re talking about here. Am I right about that or wrong?n
Chapmaa: ''Better run that througb again/'
Friedrich: HIf the Goveraor's Veto is overriddeny doesn't that èliminate
the sales tax on food and drugs even in this..m''
Chapman: HI would believe, Sir, lf I understand the discussion of yesterday
properly, that would be true. However, I think it is very
unlfkely that we can expect that veto of the Govern' or's to
be overridden unless we approve Amendment //49 today and that
is my main reason fn offering Amendment #49.'' -
Friedrieh: HA1l righty then 1et me ask you another question. If your
Amendment prevafls and if the Governor's Veto fs not overrfdden,
then we would have 5 percent sales tax on food instead of
6, fs that what youbre saylng? So uouldn't thae make...create
a problem for the retailer?'';
Chapman: ''I feel sure that the whole text may create a problem for' i
retailers but people in other states are able to bandle this
and I don't believe it would be a problemp Sir-n
Friedrieh; HWe11 T... %he question I'm asking, 1 guess, ls that it would
' be an unusual situation in that you'd have a 5 cent tax on
that and a 6 cent tax on everything else then if youbre...if
you prevail and if the- .tbe Governor's Veto is not overridden.
Am I right on that?''
Chapman: nRepresentative, we're talking about the 6 county area alone.
To begin with, as you lcnowy it is only the 6 county area that!
is being saddled wfth this additional tax. I do not expect it
would be a problem. My ruling in offering Lhis Amendment fs
look out for the interests of my constftuents and of the people
who lfve in this 6 county area and also a11 the people of the
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an overrlde on the Governorês Veto of the'sales tax exemption on
food and medicine éill unless Amendmeat //49 or some stmïlar
Amendment is adopted . ''
'Friedrich: ''Mr. . .May I speak to the Amendment thens Mr. Speaker?''
S eaker Redmond: ''Representative Yourell.'î 'P
Friedrich : ' fNr Speaker. . . '' . '
Speaker Re dmond: ''Just a moment. Representatfve Yourell.''
Yourell: ''Mr. Speaker, thfs âmendment was explafned at great leagth last
night as a concluding business of the House. At that time
.1 made a motion to table ànd I would now ask the Chairo.oïnqu'fre
to the Chair if that motion is debatable. We#ve got a 1ot
of people that want to speak on this and I have made a motion
to table. ' Now that's what we ought to get to: Mr. Speaker.g'I
Speaker Redmqnd: 'îA motion to table fs not debatable. What we did yesterdayl
. was to pe rmït the Spon:or of the Amendment to explain theïr (
votes. Yop are correct.-ayou are' èorrect. The question will
be...when we put the questfon lt w'ill be on your motfon to. 1
Itable. Representative Sandquist... The question is on
) ' ' Representative Nourellîs motion to table Amendment //49 to
Senate Bt11 889. Those in favor vote 'aye'y opposed vote
' no ' . RapresentatLtve rdetijevtch .. '' @
Matijevich: î'Mr. Speakera and I would hope that because we are precluding .ldebate that the Speaker would have some latftude and Members
could explaïn their vote ratherbthan the one mfnute. I would
. hope that we allow some Members more time because this is
a very crucial issue. This issue really tells us why ue
should be deliberatfag the whole Special Session in October
rather than now. 1...1 spent this morning, I was in my offiee
early this morning and because I find so many slmilarities to the
lssue of the state income tax in '69 to what is going on nov
I've always saved my. file on the state ineome tax and along l' (
. Iwith that issue I've had some other clippings and I ran across
a clfppfng of Thursday, August 14, 1969. And ft says, 'End
Sales Tax on'Food'. And it starts out by saying, gThe elimination
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by Covernor Ogflvfe, would place Illfnofs on a pfle wfth the
majority of states in this respect.' Many of us hear ia thts
legislation that we Democrats are the only ones that should
' be for the exemption on food and medicine. It's a popular issue,
' whether it be Democrat or Republican. I think that this
is a matter of fairness. If wefre thinking about senior citizens,
if weRre thinkïng about those personslon fixed incomes; we
ought to stand firmly for the exemption of food and medicine.
And 1...1 say'to a11 of you that we shouldy on this particular
mottony vote against Buss Yourell's motfon to table so that
we can consider this. We ought to look at the'.other side
of the coin. Nhat if we don't do tbis in this Bi11? And thea
the matter of the Governorrs Veto is overridden? We?re not
sure. 1'm not sure that the sheet of paper telling me that ,
it will be exempted, this extra cent, I1m not sure that that's
true. So I doa't think that we oujht to take a cbance. I think jtbat we, today, in this Body, ought to say, on both sides of
the aisle, it's a matter of democratic policy. We know that. .
But we have tos on b0th sides of thls aisle say that we are@
once and for all, qfter 45 years of attempting to exempt
food and medicine, that we are for it and we are for it p
in this legtslation tooz It won't hurt any downstaters, I
Republican or Democrat because thee.ounder thls Bill, allcbf
the sales tax is in the àfx county area'. qt won't hurt your
road program at all. That's alreay written in to the...
Amendment P5. Don't worry about that. But letls now, once
and for all, say that wetre goinz to exempt it.''
speaker Redmond; ''Representatlve Danielse''
zaniels: ''There is only one problem witb the Amendment as presented
balance yesterday lec us. The fdea of tax sekkef when we have a I1
in general funds of 608 mfllion dollars: as I understaad' d the people are lthe hfghest fn hfstory of thls state, #n
clamorfng from tax relief, is a good point that we must address
and hopefully we#ll address tha: soon. The argucent to exenpt
sàles tax on food and drugs fs obviously one Lhat many of us can
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talk about because of our general fund balance. But to do it
thfs way and then to retain 2.5 perceat of the gas tax is
' something that concerns ma An'd particuarly thos e'6f you from
suburban Cook County aud Chicago, vhen you could end up, kf .
this was adopted, if the one cent sales tax ïncrease, or a
20 percent sales tax increase, along with the 2.5 percent gas
tax...and ït seems to me it's not the way to go. If you really
want to .'exempt ft on food aad drugs you should have just
. taken it out of general funds where we have enough money to
take it out. So I'm going to vote 'presentf on this motiouw''
Speaker Redmond: gbRepresentatïve Chapman.î'' Chapman: nMr. Speaker: there are only 50 red lights up on the board.
Last nfght there were 75 people <ho were votfng 'yes' on ehe
motiort to adopt Amendment //49. Z lionder what 'aappened to those
25 people since the maehine broké down last night and this
mo rning. Possibly there are some of you who are voting green
who really are intendfng to vote red. A vote for the elimination
of the sales tax on food and drugs as it pertains to the new
R.T.A. sales tax is a red vote. I wonder ff...Mr. Speaker,
I'm going to need to ask for a poll of the absentees.on this
because this is an important issue and I Just hate to see #
25 of'my frfends, who wanted to vote on thfs as they demonstrated )1las: night in voting 'yes' on Amendment #49, who now are
either not vottng or are apparently confused and are casting
a vote that doesn't rerlect their views. So I'd ask for a
poll of the absentees, Mr. Speaker-''
Speaker Red%ond: NBefore ue get to that I want to...I want to cautfon the
Members that this could be a very sensitive vote. Now there's
a vote on thfs board and the Member is not fn his seat. Please
don't vote anybody elses switches. This may be re-election
or defeat for someone. Don't vote anybody elses switch. And '
if there's anybody tbat voted someone elses switcbo.ol see one
' ' i t anybody out but get a 'present'up here and I don t want to po n
vote up there. Representative Pullen.''
Pullen: ''Mr. Speakery I Just wanted to respond to the Sponsor that what
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happened between last ntght and this mornfng is we woke up/'
Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Johnsono''
Johnson: ''I would make the point of order that Mrs. Chapman's motion
is dflatory. If every abs*nt vote on the board voted fa favor
of her position shetd still be 10 or 12 votes short.î'
Speaker Rêdmond: ''She has that right and she will be accorded that rfght.f
Represeatative Sandquist.''
Sandquist: ''Yess Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Housey let's
really look what we#re talking about and my suburban friends
and my good friend Lee Danietsy this is a responsfble Amendmeat.#
Thatrs what ve're talkfng about here. WeAre takfng off the
1 ceat on food and medicine. So it's not a...a 1 cent increase.
It' takert off on food and medicine but we're being responsible.
We are putting back'that lost revenue through part of the
gas tax. But peojle who use the gas won't even notice that
and so thià is the fair way to do it. People who use the
gas should help to fay for this transportation package.Now where are al1 those red votes we had last night. If you
woke up then maybe you woke up the wrong wayy that's
a11 i've got to say. Look at what's fair here and let's get
' è b1e defeat this motion ;some more red vot s on so we can ta ...1
to table and then pass it because it's something that's fair
to a11 the people. And those of you downstate, it doesn't
effect you at all. You've still got your road program but let's
try to help the peotle of Chfcago and Cook County and the
suburban area on this onèrous increase in the sales tax that
we''re talking about. Weere trying to gfve tbem some help
but wefre beiùg responsible about it by replacing the lost
evenue . So p' lease get some more red votes up there .ê'r1
speaker Redmond: ''Representative Kempiners-'' l1
Kempiners: ''Thank you, Flr. Speaker. In explaining my votes 1' think there
are some people who are eoncerùed about being fnconsistent.
I want you to know that I was one of those who voted against tbe
Bill that the Governor votoed and I''have every intention of
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against it not because I'm opposed of the concept of removing
the tax. I feel very strongly that we ought ro. But there
was no replacement revenue in the Bill as it passed the Housey ' '
along with some other ptoblèms in that particular Bi11. We
have an opportunity on thfs Bf11. We know it's comfng, we kaow . '
Ithe votes are there...to be fair and before the revenue is
collected to èliminate this tax. And I doa't thfnk it's '
inconsistent for those of you who voted agafnst that Bill to '
offer a vote for this Amendment and to vote against thfs motion.
Because we're going to be instituting a new tax base, why don't
we start right up fn fronE and say wepre not going to collect
a tax on food and mediclne. And I'think that we ought to
consider this particular Amendment and at the time the opportunity
presents itself, te put it on'this Bill so that when the
railroad goes dowû'the track at least there wfll be some equfty
to it .'' '
Speaker Redmond) NRepresentatf've Pferce.l'
Pierce: ''Mr. Speaker: 1* would take the opposite position from the previous
speaker and agree wlth the Gentleman from Dupage. Representattve
Daniels- I thtnk you can vote for the override of the veto#
of the sales tax remofal on food and medicine and yet votei
to table or vote 'presentg on'this. Because a11 this does
in the collar eounties, where the previous speaker speaksy so$
take a quarter'of a cent of the 5 and a quarter percent sales
tax and it says that after that quarter cent food and medtcine
will be exempt from the sales tax. That is almost an insult
to the shoppers and to the consuaers of Illinols and on rop ki
of that it places a 2 and a half percent gasoliue tax, that's
2 and a half cents a gallon, êoon it will be 3 cents a gallon, thatIwe already. bave or bave the ability to remove as of October 1 )
' .. jand puts that back on the people that have to drtve and have no
' j - .public transportation available to tbem fn the collar counties.
So I must agree: for once, with the other Centleman from Dupagea
Representative Danfels, that thfs fs not the way: this fs not
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fs meaaingless and I intend to vote in October for the override of
the Governor's Veto and on this Amendmento..on this motfoa
to table wf11 vote 'presentl because the Amendment will do
nothfng to help peojle fn the collar count#y wfll cost them money
by imposfng a:2 and a half perceat sales tax while only...a
. 2 and a half cent gasolfne tax while only removing the food
and Kedicine sàles tax as to ,1 quarter percent of the 5 and
a quarter'percent tax and I vote 'presentfa''
Speaker Rednond: ''Representative Dyero''
Dyer: ''Mr. Speaker: Ladies and.Gentlemen of the Housey I agree with
' Representative Kempinerst As much as r respect our. colleague
Representatfve Danielsy I think he ought to rethink his position
on thfs one for this reasony ft's awful easy to stand here
today and talk about an override happening in October. But
I'm one of those, like Representative Matijeviehs who's
been down here long enough to know that when a big fssue has
been decided privately by party leader and agreements have
been lnade in wbich lots of unrelated issues are tied in
somehow or another when the chips are down you need 107 votes and
you get 101 or l05 or 106, somehow mysterfously ft doesn't
happern Ando..or mayeàe one Gouse cverrfdes aaf tbea the t
other llouse doesn't. ' Think about that. Tbis Roll Call right no* ;
is 'your only chance, in a resfonsible way, to express pya
wish to remove tbat sales tax on food and medicine in an
area that you're sticking with a new tax. And itlseems to
me every really bbnafide conservative and every bonafide
liberal and every bonafide moderate and every lefty liberal
and every right wing burgess should put-.oand anybody and the
Irish even, should put a red llght on this Roll Call. Thank
)j lïyOu Very muC .. . 1
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Braun: PTbank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. 1
The prevtous speakers were exactly right. thls zmendment is
about simple equtty. I4e a1l know who the sales...who this
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tax on food and medfcine is going to hurt the mosty it's
going to hurt the senior citizensy it's going to hurt those
on ffxed incomes. It's going to hurt poor people, it's going
to hurt black people and we know theyVre going to be hurt.
But we begïn to call Byrne-Thompson #1 a sell out of the poor.
We caa call Byrne-Thompson f/3.-asorryy I forget the number,
Byrne-Thompson //3 a sell out of the poors a sell out of the
senfor citizens and it won't just be on the head of the
Governor and the Mayor of the Clty of Cblcago, Ladïes and
Geatlemen of tbe House, I tell you it's going to be on every
single Member sittfng fn this...fn this legislative chamber.
It's going to be oa every single Member sitting in this
legislative chamber because'it fs your responsibility, Ladies
and Ger-tlemen. to nnke the laus of tike State of llliaois and- . ' .'
ft is your responèibilfty that these people will now be paying,
fn the six county areay 6 cents on every dollar. for food
6 cents on every dollar for medicine. I want to say to you
that this Roll Call fs gofng to be very important because
this Roll Call says, 'What side are you on? What side are
you on when the issue of food and medicine sales tax is l
concerned? lTNqt side are you on when the littlà o1d lady .
comes to you and says she can hardly make it because it's %
more expensive to ride the bus and she has to pay an additional
6 cents on.a.has to pay 6 cents on every purchase for food
or drugs'. If youere relyfng oa an override, Ladies and
Gentlemen, you#re kidding you/self. You know: I know andk
everyone in tbis room knows that the chance of the override about. .
has the chanceo.othat an ovèrride has the chance of a snouball
in helly excuse the expression. We will not get 107 votes
ln thfs chamber and it fs likely thae an override will not
. work in the Senate. If we'had any questions about a deal, if
we bad any questtons about a deal to defeat an override effort
on the removal of the sales.' tax on'food and drugs, those
doubts just went ouE the window.. So when this--when this...
whea thts Amendnent fails, remèmber that it was you who contribute
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to imposing this new tax on food and on drugs fn the sfx county
.':'' a area. And 1 .want to ask you again, what sfde are you on?
lf you#re so sure that there's going to be an override oa the
removàl of the sales. tax on food and medicine then vote for
thfs Amendmenty fe doesa't hure you because ff ft's overrfdden
now-..if you voie now and it's overridden then there's a
wash. But if you don't vote for this Amendment and there
' is no override then it is going to be oa your head and wNen
those people com: back to you and they can't understand
paying put addttional tax, that new tax, that 6 cents on every
dollar for every loaf of bread and for every bottle of aspirin -
they have to buy. So 1' prge you: Ladfes and Centlemen, to
put nore red votes up there to Eake tbis Amendment and to...
' so we aan support this Amendment so that we cc.a remcve the. - . ' . .
'food and drug component from the ènèrous, onerous terrible
f! . 'tax. '
Speaker Redmond: Hltepresentatfve Totten. Representatfve Totten, the timer
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Totten: ''Thank you, Nr. Speaker'and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House.e.''
Speaker Redmoad: ''Representative Matfje#lch, for what purpose do
o u ris e ? '' ' ' 'y t
Matijevièh: ''I make a pofnt of,order. I know that we've been here and
I hear people sayfng, 'put the timer on-' Mr. speaker, on
any Amendment from now èn the-..the motion to table Amendment
is debatable. I've never raised that because everybody is
so werried about timè. Now, if you look at Rule 64(d), motfons
to table Amendments are debatable. Nol; from now on I'm going
to say that we live up to that rule and we do debate the
Dotion to table. Because that rule is a part of our rules
and they are debqtable. So I thfak that thfs ve ry crucial. ..... j . .. . .
issuey even though we're now on explanation of votes, tbat I .. since we did preclude debatey contrary to our rules, that those
explaining their votes be allowed their amouat of time that -
they would be allowed'if we d1d allow them to debate ited'
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Tottent''
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TotDen: HThank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladfes and Gentlemen of the Pouse.
Boy how tlmes have changed. It hasn't been a few months
. . ago that the Minority Leadero..the Majority Leader stood '
' on this floor aad waxed eloqueat about how regressive the
sales tax was. And then comes t%e time when he could do '
something about it rather than make himself part of the deal
to ie backed into this èKyores back door and falls into her
pocket. How times have changed on bis prtoritfes. For it
wasn't but a few months ago that he waxed eloquent over puttfng
zonies up for publfc televlsion rather than for poor roads.
Apparentlyp the decision has been made by him and others
that Sesame Street was much more important than Matne Street.
Well, times have'not changed. And the Majority Leader ought
to staud up for vhat he really believes in. Slzculd we
have that regressive tax removed? T think we should. I think
there's enough votes fn this House that we can do it if
we'll vote our conscience instead of what the velvet hammer
and,ohhers put us to the yoke. Mr. Majorfty Leadery where
are youzon tbis fssue? Where are you on this issue? Are
you golng to be with us in the fall when we try and override
it? Why not be with us now? Stand up and be counted.ê' è
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Kane. Kane.. Kaneoî' ,
Kane: DMr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. I'd like
to address my remarks to my fellow downstate Members.
There isn't one of us that would be voting green on this
Bill and on this Amendment ïf ft applfed to downstate. We
would a11 be votfng green-o.we vould a1l be voting red.
And Ifd like to remind you that by imposing a sales tax
on Cook County, a sales tax that applies to food and medicine,
' 1 fng a sales tax that will cover half of tbe l
we re app y ILegislativa Distçicts of this state. And 1et me ask you, .
' h t's' oing yo be thetresp'onse when tbere is aaother program. w a M .
that comes down the pipes a year from now and 2 years from
now and somebody's got to pay for it? The Legfslators fron
.cook county are gofng to say, 'We're already paylng 6 percent.
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We're already paying 6 percent on food and medicine. We're
paying 6 percent sales tax, let's make the rest of the state
' pay 6 percents'let's even it up.' And that's what's going
to ha en And if weore a part of putting this tax' now 'PP .
on Cook County, you can rest assured that it's going to come
back to us in a year or two aud the next program that comes . .
along is going to be paid for by our people and we should '
be voting on thfs tax today as though ft fs gofng to be fmposed '
on us , because if it' s not imposed on us now it will be
imposed on us 2 years f rom now. And I would urge a red vote.''
Speaker Redmond : ''Tlze Clerk wf11 take the record . . . Representative
S tterthwaite pardon me .'' ' 'a ,
Satterthwaite : ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the Housey as another
downstate Legislator, I agree thoroughly with the previous
speaker. The Sponsor of this Amendment has done a very
responsible job in trying to stick with the position that we
a11 took here, a'large majority of us, when we voted to take
the sales tax off food and medicine. It fs a regressive
tax. I think we have a11 agreed that it is a regressive
tax. WheLher or not the override of the Covernor's Veto
on that malor'Bill takes pface or not, I don't see how we
can face our constituents even fn our downstate distrfcts
jand tell them that we have supported another regressive taxfor another part of the state. The Sponsor of this Amendment
has fndeed found the respcnslble way of letting us off the
hook on'that issue by retaining part of the current gas
tax now instead of abolishfng it a11 we ean provide the same
revanue for khe R.T.A. area and stlll prevent having this 1'
more regressive form of taxatton put on the people of the
R.T.A. area. I have to support this transportation package
' . - ' ' because it is good for my district-' But I am very reluctant
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red lights up there, putting this good Amendment on this
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Borchers: ''I regret that I'm sitting in the coraer a11 the time and
never get seen but that's al1 right. It makes good exercise
' ' for my lungs. A1l I want t6 say fs, I predict that if we'
! ! , .don t vote no we are going to be paying downstate an
equalized tax, the same as Ch. icago will be paying now. So
' ft's only sensible for us to stop it now. Thank youo'î
Speaker Redmond; HRepresentative Huskey.''
Huskey: HMr. Speaker and Ladies and Centlemen of the House, I've received
letters many times from my good friends downstate sayingy
êIf you're in trouble 1et me come to your dfstrfct and help
you get re-electedi' Well actually in Cook County weRre introuble and wetre fn bad treuble. New ff you want to belp
us get re-elected start helping us now. Don't wait till
electicn time because then it's going tc be too tata. And this
goes for the other side of the Asle. Help your Cook Couaty
Representatives be re-elected by helping them now. Don't
vote tbls regressive sales tax on.our Cook county resideats...
You remind me of what the old Indians said, 'White man speak
with forked tonguel-'''
soeaker Redmond: HWelve taken the Roll Call. On this there's 87 'aye' and
68 'no'. Representatïve...Representative Barnes. Representative 4
t Barnes desires to be recorded as 'aye'. The motion to table &
prevatls. Any further Amendments?''
clerk teone: ''Amendment 51. Skinner. Amends Senate Bill 889 as amended
ln Secefon 11 and so forrho''
speaker Redwond) 'sRepresentative Yourell has a motion to table Amendment
51. And on that motion, tbose in favor vote 'aye' opposedl
vote Vnof. Representative Skinner, to explain his vote.''
Skinner: ''Mr. Speaker, apparently the ceneral Assembly doesn't have the
l. guts to alloy ad election referendum to flnd out whetber the' - ;. . . - ' . . - g ' ' - ' ' j .' people in the six county area want' to have a sales t@x increase
' - - ' of 20 percent in Cook Ceunt# and 5 percent in the collar counties/ '
So wbat Iam asking is that we at least make the R.T.A. Board
Members electlve. .I'm confident that theyfre-.-very few of . .
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realize that 3 out.of the 4 R.T.A. Board Members live within
' . about a mile of each othek on the gold coast, you might even
. get a representatfve fn your'area that might understand tbe
public transportation'problems in your areap'' '
Speaker Redmond: f'Have a11 votèd who w'isi? %he Clerk will take the .'
record. Oa this question therels 74 'ayel and 29 'no' and the
motion prevails. Any further Amendments? Amendment 50 is tabled.
Any furtherqzmendments7 52 next? 52 is withdrawn. Any
further lmendmentsr''
Clerk Leone: ''Amendment 53/ Brauap'l
Speaker Redmond: t'Did Grotberg intrgduce an Amendment here? Proceed .
wtth 53. ''
Clerk Leone: HAmendment 53. Braun. Amends Senate Bi11 889 as amended
in Seetion 11 and so forEh-''
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Youèell has a motion to table -
Aaendment 53. Representative Braun. to explain your vote.''
Braun: ''Thank you, Mr. Speakek', tadies and Gentlemen of the House.
Aaendment '53 fs a removal of the exèmptfon of food and
' mediclne from'thiù nev :ales tax.-.from this new sales tax
that's going on'in the stx county area that even Lee Daniels. . . ë
can love. This Amendment does the same thing that we'lve
been talking about all aorning. It tries to put some equity !
fnto tbis bad package, fnto this bad deal for Chicago. '
It trles to say to èhe'senior citizens, yes we need new'
. urevenues for the roads and trains and buses but we re not
going to stick you'with it on every dollar that you have to *
spend on food and every dollar you have to spend on aedicfne. ,
It says the sama thtng to p'por-peokle'andy'Ladies and Gentlemen,
I won't go into :uch further' debate because the Lord knows
= ' we've talked about this issue a1ï morning. But I say to I .' . j
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overridden by this Legislature, alltöf you, a11 of you should
remember that you have just now given up an opportunity or
. youfve Just now had an opportunity to see to it that..ythat
' that oppressive. regressive portion of the tax ts removed.
I respectfully prge an affirmativep..a positfve vote, whfch
is a red votè in this casey on Amendment //53.'' '
Speaker Redmond: ''The quesEion is on the Gentleman's motion to table
Amendment 53. Those'xn favor vote 'aye'' opposed vote Ao'.9
Have a1l votèd who Vfsh? Have al1 voted who wish? The Clerk
will take the record. Representatfve Leinenwebero''
Lefnenweber: ''Ifd ltke to èxplaïn my vote. This...as I understand it1
this Amendment doe: not'have the serious flav that Amendment
//49 had and that is tbat ft does not impose an àdditional
gas tax fn addftion to the sales tax. This fs purely aad
sioply a Bill which would into position, at least as far as
the R.T.A. is coùèerùed, al1 of the things that you people over
on the other sfde of the aisle have been sayïng a11 along, every
tipe you vote àgainst.v.you votè to remove sales tax from food.
I'm bappy to support thi: Amendment and I would urge everybody
on this side of the #isle and on that side of the àisle who
honestly believè thqt people who should not bave to pay a. . @
1 percent tax on the food and drugs that they .must take. $
and eat in order to ùurvive-.kjùst to support a bus system which
they =ay or'may. not be able to'ùse. 1' certainly urge a vote...
a 'no' vote ön tbié notton to iableo''
Speaker Redmond: ''Repkesentattve Braun, for whlt purpose do you rise?''
Braun: HMr. Speaker, I'd like à poll of'the absentees and a verifieation
of this vote. This vote is too importaat and I want to be
able to take ft back to Ehe City of Chicago ùhen people start
paying this extra 6...6 cents on every dollar for food and
6 cents for everz doïîar on medtcine. I want co shqw theuho's 'o'u -tbeik' side whea it.eoaes to removing this terrtble .W
:f d'and =edicine.''tax from oo .
Speaker Redmond: ''Have a11 votèd whô Vfsh? rhe Clerk cfll eake the
record. 0é this questto n therèls 82 'ayels 75 Rno'. Representati e
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Catania, for what reason do you rise?''
Catania: ''I wanted to explain my vote-'t
Speaker Redmond: f'Yourre a lfttle tardy but go ahead-''
Catania: .1'My light's been on every since Xmendment 49, Mr. '.speaker.
I simply wanted to say how surprfsed I am that the people on
thetother stde of the aisle have their greea lfghts.onk' tThere's
certainly a' large groùp of people over there who took up
a lotbof our timelduking the Session a11 sprfng ta' lkfng about
poor'people and people on fixed incomes. Maybe down here
we a1l think the deals are still okay but in the mfads of
the taxpayers the days of deals are done. Wasn't anybody
paying attention when we got a11 that heat after we voted ourselves
a salary increase? Wasn't anybody paying attention up there
in Chicago last winter when we had a primary vote that turned
out the establishmentî Weren't you folks paying any attention?
h l fast enough. DonlfYou sure swftched buttons on your l pe s
you know what the taxpayers were trying to say? They were
trying to say thqt they donlt belleve in deals anymore. They
don't believe in what so-called leaders get together and do
in back rooms. They send us down bere to Vote their fnterest.
And that's what they. arpect us to Po. They turnnd out the#
establishment in Chicago, folks, and they*re gofng to turn '
out everybody dowh here that isn't voting their interest
sooner or lacer. Ie may noe happen righe away but theylre
sick and tired of a11 the falderal. and the doings in the
back room. Tbey expect us to spend their tax dollars down
here representfng them,.not representing somebody that pulled
strings. ue're . suppose to be the people's puppet. not the
Governor's puppet'or the Mayor's puppet. We do get elected
to take orders but not orders from tbose people wbo sit
in the big office. oa the 5th floor of City Hall or the
2nd ftocr àere fn the 'capitol Buildlng. Don t you have anysenior'citizens in your dfstriet living on fixed income?''
Speaker Redmond: ''Bring your remarks to à close, the timer is on,
Representative Catania-''
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cataaia: ''Donft you have any poor'people? Don't you believe what you
were saying a11 last spring? I know you didn't vote to help
Cook County Hospital' becàuse there was a deal oa that too.
' But people 'are paying 'attention and this isa't goiag to go
on much longer'. If you want to r'epresent the peopley you have '
to vote red-t' ' . '
Speaker Redmoad: ''Representative Bow:an.'' The timer is on. One minute.''
Boumnn: Mrhank you, Mr. Speakera Ladies and Gentlemea of :he House.
Well maybe pook people don't read newspapers, maybe they don't
be able to calculate the costs of an exotic program as this .
but they know'what they pay for food. They watch their pennies
very çlosely and they knowbwhen they're gettfng the raw
end of the'deal. Let Re just cite à couple of statistics in
the remaining time thqt I have. In Chicago tbe tax burden on
people who eara lesk thqt .$7:500 dollars a year ls 10.7 percent
of their income. The#. pay. 10.7 percent of their income on
state and locàl taxesu For peo/le earning over 25,000 dollars'
a year they pay 7..2 percent of tbeir income in taxes. Now
that, Ladfes and Gentlemenk is a definition of a regressive
tax system. The pook get socked the hardest and 1et me
tell you, wtth this vote wepre doing it to them al1 over again. .
And the next time theàe àtatistics come out it's going to be
even worse. They?re going to be paying a hfgher percentage
' of'their incomè in'taxes and the rich are going to be paylng
at an even lower percent of their fncome in taxes. and that
. ts wronj and that is iumoxal and tbat is wby we must take.o.''
S eaker Redmond : ''On thiù question theire' s 82 t aye' and 75 'no 1 .P
Representative. . .Representative Braun has requested a poll of
the absentees . Mr. Clerk, poll the àbsentees .''
Clerk Leone : ''Po11 of the absentees .''. . 1
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speaker Redmond: ''I know'lt. One àt a time-''
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Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Capparelli 'aye?/'
Clerk Leone: ''Ewe11. Katz. McAuliffe. McBroom. McGrew.''
Speaker Redmond: ''MeBroom...McGrew 'aye'.''
clerk Leone: ''Pierce/'
Speaker Redmond: ''Pierce 'ayel/'
Clerk Leone: DReed. Ryane'' -
Speaker Redmond: f'Representative Ryany 'aye'.''
Clerk Leone: ''Schlickman. Stearney-'' '
Speaker Redmond: Hstearney 'aye'.''<;
Clerk Leone: ''Vlnson.and Willerv''
Speaker Redmond: ''Representatfve Wfller, 'no'. Representatfve Bluthardtm
for what purpose do you rise:'f
Bluthardt: f1Mr. Speaker. I'd like to have the rigbt to explain my
t e l lyO .
Speaker Redmond: ''Proceed.''
1'M S eaker first of al'l I misunderstood the Amendment. -Bluthardt: r. 1) : .
U My understanding now is that this Amendment would give an
option to the R.T.A. to either have the s'percent gasolfne tax
or the 1 percent. Is tbat right, Mrs. Braun?''
Speaker Redmond: ORepresentative Braun/'
Braun: ''No; Sir. There's no gasrtax in this one.'';
Bluthardt: ''Does it remove it altogether?''
Braun: ''Yes sir-''
Bluthardt: ''Alr. Speaker, would you change by vote from 'yes' to 'nobzîl
speaker Redmontl: ''Change the Gentleman from 'yes' to 'no'. Representative
J.J. Wolf/'
uolf: 'lsame request, Mr. Speaker-î'
Speaker Redmond: ''zepresentative Wolf desires to be recorded as 'no'.
Representative Pullen-''
Pullen: f'Same request, please.''
Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Pullen/' - '
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s eake'r Redmond: ''èullen 'yes' to 'no' Representative Barnes 'aye'. ' .17 , *
Representatlve Pie1J'
Plel: ''Yes would you record me as 'no' please-''$ >
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R , , . ' fSpaaker edmond: Record Representative Piel as no . Now the Lady
has requested the verïffcatfoa of the Afffrmatfve Roll Call.
Mr. Clerk. Please go slowly. I'd remind you now that there's
no changing of votes on a verification. Representative Madigan.
I mean after it's takenp I don't mean during ito''%
Madigan: HYour comment was that.ez'
Speaker Redmond: HAfter the veriffcatfon and the results have been heards
no changes. There have been some people who had a change of
mind afterwards and came up here. What is the count now?
85 'ayeg and 80 'no'. Proceed. Please go slowlye''
Clerk Leone: 'fAckerman. Alexander. Anderson. E.M. Barnes. Beatty.
Bell. Birchler. Bower. Bradley. Brummer. Bullock. Campbell.
Capparelli. Dawson. Diprima. Domico. Donovan. Doyle.
John runa. Ralp'a Dunn. Ebbesen. Ewinz. FArley. Flinn.
Dcfght Frledrlch. Garmisa. Giorgf. Coodwfn. Halloek.
Hannig. Harris. Henry. Hoxsey. Huff. Johnson. Emil Jones.
Keane. Kent. Kornowicz. K6sinski. Kozubowski. Kulas.
Laurino. Lechowicz. Leon. Madigan. Mcclain. McGrew.
McMaster. Mepike. Mulcahey. Neff. O'Brien. Patrick.
Pferce. Polk. Pouncey. Rea. Rfchmond. Rfgaey. Ronan.
Ropp. Ryan. Schisler. Sehraedez. Schunemaa. Si'mms. ,
Slape. Stearney. E. G. Steele. C.M. Stiehl. Stuffle.
Sumaer. Swanstrom. Taylor. Terzich. Vitek.
VonBoeekman. Watson. Wikoff. Winchester. Sam Wolf.
Woodyard. Younge and Yourell.''
Speaker Redmond: 'lRepresentative Madigan.''
Madigan: HIGat's the count?o
Speaker Redmond: ''What's the county Mr. Clerk? ' 85 'aye' and 80 'no'.
Any questions of the Affirmative Roll Call? Representative
Bower is in his seat. Representative Tuerkz' '
Tuerk: ''How am I recorded?''' Z; ' ' 7- J '
. ' speauer Redmona:...''uow is tEe centteman recordeda'' -' ... . ' ' ' .. . .
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Clerk Leone: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'present'.'' '
Tuerk: ''Vote me 'no' t'
Speaker Redmond: ''Record the Gentleman as 'no'. Proceedp.oproceed with the
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...Representative Brummer. Hels in the aisle. Capparelli.
Representative Capparelli he're? How is he recorded?ll1
d clerk Leone: HThe Gentleman is recorded as votirg 'aye'.''
Speqker Redmond: ORemove him. Put him back on. Representative Dawson.
DZWSOR. DZWSO? io hiS Seats ZOW iS he recordzdlo '
Clerk Leone: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'ayel.''
Speaker Redmond: nRemove him. Representative Donovan. Is he in hts
seat? Is he ia the chamber? Representative Donovan in the
chamber? How is he recorded?''
Clerk Leone: ''The Gentleman ls recorded as voting layev.'?
Speaker Redmond: ''Remove him. Representative Bell is in his seat, be's
got a new haircut. Representative Donovan has returned.
Put him back on the Roll Call. Who? Emil Jones is in his seat.
Wyvetta Younge. Is Representatfve Younge in her seat?
How is she recorded?l'
Clerk Leone: ''The Lady is recorded as voting 'ayee.fl
Speaker Redmond: HRemove her. Representative Daniel olBrien. ' He's
over here. Representative Polk. Representative Polk. ls
he in his seat? Remove him. Remove hims I don't see hfm
here. Representative Mike Slape. He's...He's in the back
there, in Farley's seat, I guess. Hannig. Representative '
Hannfg is here. Representative Huff? He's in his seat. .
Emil Jones is in h1s seat. Capparelli#s-.-he was verified.
Any other questions? Representative Capuzi has returned to the
chamber. Representative Capuzi desires to be recorded as 'ayel.
Representative Abramson. Abramson. Turn Abramson on/'
Abramson: ''Mr. Speaker, how am I recorded?t'
Speaker Redmond: ''Ho< is Abramson recorded?''
Clerk Leone: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'no' M '
Abramson: MVote me 'aye' ''
speaker Redmond: ''vote the centleman 'aye'. Representacive Polk has
- . returned p-'rjut him 'badk 0:... 'Anyône etse desire to be added '' - tb the Roll Ca11?. What's tbè count?' Representative McAuliffe .
'aye'. Im at's the count? 86 'aye' 80 'no' Representative
Katz 'aye'-- Representative Katz 'no'. Representattve vinson,. >
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I 'no'. Representative Ropp 'no'. Before I announce the results
does anyone else deàire to be added to the Roll Call? What
is the counts Mr. Clerk? Representative Brauno'f
Braun: ''Mr. Speaker. I don't want to unduly embarrass anybody but
I'm going to make a special plea to the Flembers of the black
caucus to chaage their vote on this onem''
Speaker Redmond: HAnybody that wants to be on the Roll Cally are they
on the Roll Call? What fs the...H
Braun: f'The Italiàn caucus too aad the Irish caucus as well.''
Speaker Redmond: MWhat is the count? Just a minute here, you fella's
have adopted rules.o.fella's and girls have adopted rules and
I'm gofng'to follow the rules. The Lady was withfn her rfghts
and she's going to be accorded every right that the Chair
can give her. Now what is the count? 85 'aye' and 82 'no'
and the motion carries, the Amendment is tabled. Any further
Amendments?''
Clerk Leone: ''Amendment 54. Grossi. Amends Senate Bill 889 as amended' j
in Section 11 and so forth.'' ISpeaker Redmond: ''Representative Grossi on Amendment 54. Representative
Yourell's .motïon to iable. Representative Grossi will
be permitted to explain his vote. Representative Grosst.''
Grossi: l'Thank you, Mr. Speakers Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. '
The mood of the House ts apparent. I will not take that much
time for this Amendment. Basically, this Amendment calls for
the election of the R.I.A. Board by the people of the area
that they are suppose to represent. At the present time
there are over 6 millfon people who are being taxed thae
do not have a direet voice in electing those people that
are placing the tax upon tbem. I ask you 'to help end tbis
inequity/'
Speaker Redmond: HThe questfon ls on the Geatleman's motfon to table
Amendment 54. Thosè in favor vote 'ayel, opposed vote Vno'.
Bave all voted who wish? Have a1l voted wbo wish? Have
al1 voted who Vish? The Clerk will take the record. 0n
thfs questlon there's 82 'aye'. 77 'noî. Representative
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Grossi: Hhr. Speaker, Iwould like to poll the abs:ntees.''
Speaker Redmond: nThe Gentleman has requested a poll of tbe absentees.
Mr. Clerk.' Representative Vourèll.''
Yourell: f'Parlïamentary Inqufry, Mr. Speaker. Would you rule on the...
whether this zmendment fs correct or incorrect/'
Speaker Redmond: ''I think the question right at the moment is the
motioa to table. Mr. Parliamentarian, would you please come
to the podium. If youlre raising the question we'll get to
the Parliamentarfan. In the meantime, the Centleman has
requested a poll of the absentees. What was that, Representative
Groésf?''
Grossi: '''The Amendment fs incorrect and he made the motion to table
it before I had a chance to bring it up to amend it...H
Speaker Redmond: I'I don't quite understand you/'
Grossi: HThe Amendment sh/uld be changed on its face. There is one
error fn it that can be amended on its face. And he made
the motion to table it before I hadooo'l
Speaker Redmond: HIhls is a motion to table and it would seem to me
that if ft fails then...then welll take t2e question of
amending it on' its face. Representative Marovitz.''
'' h tt t.o ' aye ' .'' llurovitz: Pleasa c ange my vo .
Speaker Redmond: ''Change the Gentlemaa from 'no' to 'ayel. Representaefve
Stuffle, 'aye'. Representative Christensen 'aye'. Representative
Schoeberlein 'nol. Representative Watson, 'no'. Watson.
Representative Richmond 'ayev. Representative Hoxsey 'no'.
Anyone else? Procèed uith the poll of the absentees.
Representative Donovan..preeord Donovan as 'aye'. Representative
, , . f Re resentative 1,Jones aye . Representative Anderson no . p IJones ênoê. Representatfve Neff 'no'. Representatfve Steele 'no'
ïd4y doù't we proeeed with the poll of the absentees and the
Member.that wants to be recorded as absent, do it at the Itime we'call you'r name. This is a.oodistracting'procedure.
Proceed wfth the absentees.''' -
Clerk Leone: npoll of the absentees. Boucek. Breslin. Capuzi.
Chapman. Ewell. Leverenz. McAuliffe. Reed. Schlickman.
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Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Mclbliffe laye'. 'Representative
Campbell 'no'. Representative Vtnson 'no'. Representative
Woodyard Ino'. Representatfve Stearney 'aye'. Representative
Chapman 'nop. Representative o'Brfen.'' lO'Brfen: ''Representatfve: Steve Shickel is a friend 'of mine but I
think our rules call fory when wè're takfng a Roll Calla that
the tev. cameras be of f .''
Speaker Redmond : '''t'l:e only one that I know is when you' re explainiag
our voteo''y
0: Brien: ''What are the rules in relation to that? Then we can have
a clarif ication so that I won' t 'get up and bother you again
and then wefll know..pall of us will know what the rule is.ê'
Speaker Redmond: ''Ioen the lfght ïs on...eherels no prohibition except
on explanation'of votes, unless I'm wrong on it. I don't .
thtnk 1' am. Explanation of votès...'' '
O'Brien: ''I thought it was when we're taking a Roll Ca11J'
speaker Redmond: ''Not that 1 know of. Representattve Capuzi.o.co-dean...j
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'ayel. ltepresentative Ryan.''
Ryan: ''Cbange my vot: to 'aye' would you please/'
speaker Redmond: Hchanae the Gentleman to 'aye'. Where do we
' bsenteesî Have we. goIte rhrough all af thea,
lstand on che a &
Hr... Have ve gone tbrough a11 the absentees? 85 - 85.
The clerk-.-You sure you're correct on 1t? Representative
Grosst-'' '
crossi: ''Mr. speaker. oy understandiug of the rules is tbat the motion
table then fatls because it's a t1e vote? It's 85 - 85.''
speaker Redmond: ''Parliamentarian. Repèesentatlve Matijevich/'1
Lhtijevich: n/lr. Speakery the last vote I heard everybody screauing to
announce the vote. 1' donêt see the same people screaming...
tha: screamed then screamfng now. The vote failed. Ee's ' -
goL to get a majority Vote, be didn't get it. The motion I, , .. . . .. . . l . .
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Speaker Redmond: 1'85 'aye' and 85 lno'. Representative Yourellw''
Yourell: ''Yes, I would like to verify the Negative Roll Call and then
of course I still have a Parliamentary Inquiry to the Chair . . ----.
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relatïve to the Amendment-''
Speaker Re dmond: ''Representative Christensen. The Centleman desires to
be recorded as 'aye'. Now this is the last call to have
them down as 'aye'. It's 85 - 85, anybody else wants to get
on the Rbl1 Call get on now. Representative Yourell-''
Yourell: 'Velly I asked for'a'verffication of the Negative Roll Call: '
Mr. Speaker-f'
Speaker Redmond: HOkay. 85 - 85.11
Yourell: ''And then a Parliamentary Inquiry as to the Amendment.''
k Speaker Redmond: HVekify thek.oa request has been made of a verification
of the Negative Roll Call. Representative Vinsoay for what
' purpose do you rfsek'' '
Vinson: nchange my vote to 'yes' please.''#'
Speaker Redmond: ''How is he recorded?u
Clerk Leone) ''The Gentleman is recorded as votlng 'noAe''
Speaker Redmond: ''Change him to 'yes'. Now what's the score? I'm
goïng'to be County Board Chafrman next tfme. On thfs quesefon,
how many 'ayets? 84 'aye'...are you sure that's rtght? That
can't be rïght...86 'ayel and 84 'no'. Representatfve Grossf-''
''Mr. speaker, 1 would ask then for a verification of the Ro11.'' lGrossi:l
Speaker Redmond: ffThe Gentleaan has asked foé a verfffcatfon of the (l .Affirmative Roll Call. Too late now... Proceed.''
Clerk Leone: HAbramson. Alexandeè. E.M..Barnes. Beatty. Birchler.
Bradley. Brummer. Bullock. Capparelli. Capuzi. Chrlstensen.
Cullerton. Currie. Darrow'- Dawson. Diprima. Domico.
Donovan. Doyle. Johù Dunn. Ralph Dunn. Ebbesen. Farley.
Flinn. Carmisa. Getty. Giorgf. Goodwin. Greiman. Hanahan.l'
Speaker Redmond: Mlslo's seeking recognition? Representative Braun.n I
Braun: ''How am I recordeds 'Mr. Speakerr'
speaker Redmond: î'How. is the Lady recorded?''
clerk Leone: ''The Lady is recorded as voting 'nod-''$
' iiond :' ''change 'her' vote to' ' aye ' . Proceed .'' ' ' ' '' '- = ' ' l . ' .. speâker Réd j
clerk Leone: MHannig. Harris. Henry- Huff.. Emil Jones. Katz.
Kane. Kent. Koraowicz.. Kosinski. Kozubowski. Kucharski.
Kulas. Laurino. Lechowicz. teon. Madigan. Marovitz. lhutino.
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Speaker Redmond) ''Representative VonBoeckman.'l .
VonBoeckmnn: ''I wonder if I could be verifted, I have to leave for a
minute?''
Speaker Aedrond: ''May the 'Gentlenan be vekified? Hearing no oblection...
you're recorded as 'aye', is that correct? Okay-''
Clerk teone: ''Màutino. MeAuliffe. McBroom. Mcclafn. McGrew. '
McMaster. Mcpike. O'Brien. Patrick. Peters. Pierce.
Pouncey. Preston. Rea. kichmond. Rigney. Ronan. Ryan.
Sandquist. Schisler. Schraeder. Sharp. Simms. Slape. '
' Stearney. C.Mz Stiehl. Stuffle. Swanstrom. Taylor. Telcser.
Terzfch. Van 'Duyne. Vfnson. Vïtek. VonBoeckuan. lfhfte.
Sam Wolf. Younge.and Yourell.'' '
Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Hàrris-''
Harris: HHow am I voted?n
Speaker Redmond: ''How is he'recorded?'',' t 1 11 -
Clerk Leone: The Pentleman is. recorded as voting aye .
H fs: HVote me 'no: 11 'arr . 1
Speaker Redmond: ''Record the Gentleman as 'no'. Now what's the count?
Any...86 'aye' and 84 'no'. The motion prevails. Representative
CrOSSi . '? '
. . o j. ,Ij( y ., . 1, . . .. 'rO ss : r . fl.-tDser . ' j. &Speaker Redmond : ''Imo? '' !
Grossi: ''Mr Telcserv'?
Speaker Redmond: Hoh youere/-upardon me. Representative Telcser.>
Questions of the Afffrmative Roll Call. Telcser's herev''
Grossi: ''C.M. Stïehl.'l
Speaker Redmond: ''She's there-'l
Grossi: ''Menroe Flfnn.'l
Speaker Redmond: HHe's tbere.î'
Grossi: 'llohn Dunn.l'
Speaker Redmoad: Mlohn Dunn here: Hels down in front here.''
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Speaker Rednond: ''100? Whb Mr. Crossi?l' ' . ' ' .
Grossi: ''Clarence Darrow.''
Speaker Redmond: ''Clarence Darrôw in thé chamber? Is Mr. Darrow fn the
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chamber? How is he recorded?î' '
clerk Leoae: HThe Gentleman is recorded as voting laye'.''
s k Redmond: ''Remove him.'' 'pea er
crossi: ''Mr. Dawson.''
Speaker Redmond: PRepresentative Dawson. How is he recorded?''
. Clerk Leone: HThe Centleman' is recorded as votfng 'aye?o''
Speaker Redmond: ''Rèmove him.t' Repkesentative Boucek 'no'. Boucek Vnoeo''
Grossi: ''I have no further questtons.'f
Speaker Redmnnd: HNow what's the score? 84 'aye'. 85 'no'. Representative '
Yourell.l'
Yourell: ''Glve you a chofce. Elther verffy the Negatfve Roll Ca11 or
rule on the correctness of the Amendment, vhfchever ls qufcker.''
Speaker Redmond: ''When we get through. Representatfve Càmpbello''
11 xr 'Campbell: How am I recorded, Mr. Speaker?
' Speaker Redmoad: HHow is the Gentleman recorded?''
cleru Leone: ''Tse centleman is recorded ks voting .no...'
Campbell: OChange me to 'ayeVe'' '
speaker Redmond: î'Anyone else desire to get on the Roll Call?
Representative Harrisp''
Harrts: ''Mr. speaker, change me back again, pleasevl'
Speaker Redmond: How do you want to be changeoz ;'
Harris: ''I want to vote green.''
speaker Redmond: ''Vote green? lhat's 'yes'. Now khat's tbe eount?
86 'aye' and 83 'no'. Representative coatly for what purpose
do rfse? Representative Grossi-''
crossi: ''Mr. speaker, the roll of the House fs apparent. Thank you-''
Speaker Redmond: ''The motfon prevafls and the Amendment's tabled. Any
.# 1further Amendments?
Clerk Leone: MAmendment 55. Pechous. Amends Senate Bfll 889 as aaended
in the introductory clause of Section 11 and so fortho''
speaker Redmond: DRepresentative Pechous/' '
. . jy z rr . . . . jj ue uouse . - - .-Pechous:' TAank you, Mr. speauer ahd Ladies and Gentlem:n o t
. . < m. . ' .- ' Amendment 55 addresses iksèlf tb a voice yet'unheard and that ' - ' .
is the passqngers who are frequently confronted with fear and
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network of metropolitan areas. Amendment 55 directs the
' adjutant General of the Illinois and Naval Department to study
the Security Commdssion oa a1l the public transportatioa facflitie
funded under the R.T.A. If addftional seeurity is deternined
to be necessary the Nationalrlcuard shall provide sueh security
on a temporary basis 'of'course alwayslsubject to the Governor --. # .9 >
'who as we know is the Commander and Chief of the State Malitia.
Lastly: the adjutant General is required to issue a report of
findings and recommendations to the Covernor and to the Illinois
General Assembly by Narch 1, 1980. I vould ask your favorable
consideration. Thank you.''
Speaker Redmoad: ''Representatfve...the Amendment ùnder consideration is
' Amendment //55. Representative Yourell's motion to table
Amendment 55. Represezttative Boucek has just explained ft.IThe question fs on Representative Yourell's motion. Those !
in favor vote 'aye' opposed vote ho'. Have a11 voted who wiàh?9
The Clekk will take the record. On this question there's 111 'aye
and 38 'no'. The motion prevails and the Amendment is tabled.
Any further Amendments?''
' clerk O'Brien: nFloor Amendment #56. Skinner. Amends Senate Bill jin the'capiion of section 11 aad s'o forth.'' l o889 as amended
lSpeaker Redmond: HRepresentative Lechowicz/'
Lechowicz: HPoint of order, Mr. Speaker. I belfeve Amendment #56 fs
dilatory. It's the same as Amendment 27, which was defeated
and 52, which was withdrawn-'l
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Skinner denfes ft.'?
Lechowicz: ''I'm sorry. I stand corrected. That fs not correct-f'
Speaker Redmond: ''okay. Now, we're.-.under consideration is Amendmenc 56.
Representatfve Yourell has a motfon to table. Those fn
favor of the motion vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative
Skinner, to explain hts vqtea'' I
'?M S' eaker this.fs not dilatory. Uhfs certatnclhr fsSkinner: r. p , - .. .u . . .
' ' facefious but it's not dilatory. It's my only facetious '- '
zmendment. I have found a way to put Amboy in the R.T.A.
dfstrfct wlthout fncludfng a1l of DeKalb and all of Lee County.- 1 - ./
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I've taken a one township wide strfp through Senator Grotberg's
distrfct ïnto Senator Shapfro's district and then up North
to include Amboy Township. I think this is approprfate because
the nlmors are rampid that Senator Grotberg is'going to
vote for the package and it is obvious tbat Senator Shapiro
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fs voting for the package because he s Sponsor of the Bi11.
I resent my Republican leaders selling out the heartland of
the Republican Party and this is the only way I have to deliver
that message, as fneffectual as that message ïs.î'
Speaker Redmond: ''The question fs on the Gentleman's motion to table
Amendment 56. Those in favor vote''#aye' opposed vote 'no'.
Have a11 voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. 0n
this question there's 89 'aye' and 41 'no'' and the motioa
prevails, the Amendment is tabled. Another distinguished
Gentleman who unfortunately never servéd'in this Body. The
Auditor Ceneral, Beb Cronson, ls audfeing some accounts fn
the center aisle there. He used to give you the vanity license
plates when Carpentier was Secretary of State. Any further
Amendments7''
Clerk OlBrien: f'Amendment //57. Skinaer. Ameads Senate Bill 889
as amenlad in Saction 11 by deleting Seclibn 11 EnG so
f orth . ''
- Speaker Redmond; ''The Amendaent under consfderation ïs âmendkent //57.
Representative Yourell bas a motion to table. Representattve
Skinner. A11 those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'.
Representative Skinner desires to explain his voteon
Skinner: ''No I desire'to aak him to withdraw the motion.''
lSpeaker Redmond: nDump the Roll Call. Now, Representative Skinner, for
what purpqse do you riser'
Skfnner: ''I ask h1n to Ielthdrax the moticn because I don't think the
admtnistration is goina to oppose it.'.'' L- ' :7 J' l ' 'ïEL' ' 11)' '
' . . . . . . 'l.speaker Rgdmond: ..1.1po you.desire to withdraw the.motion, Representative
- Yourell.''
Skinner: '1I think it's a dflatory motion-''
Speaker Redmond: f'Well... Representative Yourell.r'
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Yourell: ''We11 that can be determiaed very quickly and very easy by
putting some votes up on that board one way or the other.''
Speaker Redmond: NThose fn favo r of the motloa vete 'aye' opposed vote>
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Representatfve skinner. to explain.his vote-'' '
Skfnner) R'What this Bille.-what this Amendment does is say that any
carrier.o.any substdized carrier of the R.T.A. is going to '
offer half fares for students.thàt'all must offer half fare
for students. At.thè present time two railroads in the Chicagop...
in the Chicago metropolitan area do not offer half fares..
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One of them fs the'chicago Northvestern Raflroad, vhfch fs the '
blggest suburban carrfer ln the entfre six county area. Now
ft is not fair for...for the Chicago Northwestern to discriminate
against students who are commuting to Chicago and pumpiag money
ïnto the dohmtown area when they go to funcb after having gone
to one school or another and not...it's just unfair and I donêt
think it changes the package at all. Northwestern ls capabfe
of such accountingy I guarantee you that because they're dofng
it for senior citizens. But theyRre doing ft for senlor
cltizens because the Federal Governaent says they can't get any
Pederal a1d ff they don't do 1t. They wouldnvt lose any moneys. .. . . . . .. j
' ' k ld have to keep a few lit s just that theit ttckèt La er% vou *I .aore records. And I siacerely hopè that aayone wbo is served tby the Xorthwestern Xàilroad in their district will stand up
and agree with me that this doesn't make any sense whatsoever
and that we ought' to Aave a ehance to debate the merfts of the
tssue-'' ' 'speaker Redmond: ''Have a11 voted who wish? Representative Dyero''
lDyer: ''Mr. Speaker, I would like to explain my vote. I think this is i j
one Roll Call on which the Republfcans particularly sbould take
a good look. If our leaders, anybody in our leadership would
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granted in the other raïlroads and it's 'granted by the C.T.A.
it clearly fs unfair to the students in Dupage County. Now
Iî11 be willing to make that call to the Governor and I
would certafnly appreciate the Republicans up there who have
a green lfght put their red light on.''!
Speaker Redmond) nHave a1l votedi who wlsh? The Clerk will take the
record. Oa this question.''v.Represeatative Skinnery for what
purpose do you rise?''
Skinner: '1We11 there ake almost enoughl people who represeat the
Chicago and Northwestern service area that aren't even on
the floor. Now'Representatlve Chapman, Representative Pierce
for example and I certainly want to call the absentees. A11
I'm asking for here is equal treatment.''
Speaker Redmond: ''0n this queskion there's 76 faye' and 67 'no'. The
Gentlemaa hae requested a poll pf the absentees. Mr. Clerk,
poll the absenEees.''I
Clerk O'Briea: OThe absenteett Anderson. Bowman. Breslin. Campbell.
Capuzi. Chapman. Currie. Ewell. Ewing. Friedrich.
Griesheiner. Huff. Klosakv''
Speaker Redmond: HRepresèntative Huff desires to be recorded as 'aye'.''
Clerk OtBrfen: ''Mahar. NcAuliffe. Mugaliàn. Neff. Peters- Piercep-'' j êSpeaker Redmond: ''Representative Pferce, 'no#.''
Clerk oîBrien: I'Reed. Satterthwaite. Schlickman. Schuneman.
Stearney. E.G. Steele. Tuerk. Vitek. VonBoeckman.
ïTNite. Wikoff. Winchester. J. J. Wolf. Mr. Speakero''
Speaker Redmond) ''D1d you call Mr- Schlickman? Did you call Mr. Schlickman
Do you'desire to be recorded on tbe Roll Call, Mr. Schlickman? l
77 'aye' and 68 'no'. Representative lchite 'ayef.
Representative Maha: 'no'. Representative Schlickman 'no'.
v' : t . ' INow what s the count? 78 aye , 70 no . Representative
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L -..skinner: ''I'm sorry, I'm tired of getting jacked around on this House. .. . . ...y . ..
. = . m . - - .f loor oa something that ' s logical. Ieza going to verify the
Afffrmative until the downstate Republicans figure out that they'r
not' oin to lose an =one 'on thfs and until the Governor figures
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out that the largest suburban railroad carrfer fn the sfx
' county area doesn't give students half fare and theyRve made
a profit of 4 million dollars this year. Nov that's illogicàl
that's flne. This. is not a facetious Amendmenty Mr. Thompson.
How about callïng your mlùiônss up here and pulling a string.
Would you verify the Affirmative, please.''
Speaker Redmond: ''The Gentleman has requested a veriffcation of the
Afffrmative Roll Call. Mr. Clerk, verify the Afffrmative
Roll Call.H
Clerk O'Brien: 'fAbramson. Alexander. E.M. Barnes. Jane Barnes.
Beatty.p
Speaker Redmond: MPlease dïrect your remarks to the Chafr bue don't
use the same language. Proceed/'
Clerk O'Brien: i ''Biqnco. Bitchler. Bower. Bradley. Bruumer. .
Bullock. Capparelli. Cullerton. Dawson. Diprima. Domico.
Donovan. Doyle. John Dunn. Ralph Dunn. Ebbesen. Farley. .
Flinn. Garmisa. Giorgi. Goodwin/'
Speaker Redmond: NRepresentative Johnson..'.desires..orequests that he
be verified. Representative Skinner-''
Skinner: ''Is he going to go down and ask the Governor ff he can change
his vote? ' No, I guess I do know better than that . Certainly #
ou may be verif ied .'1y .
Speaker Redmond : ''Proceed. f'
Clerk 01 Brien : ''Hannig. Harris . Henry. lluf f . Johnson. Elrdl Jones .
Kane . Kent . Kornowicz . Kosinski . Kozubowski . ''
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Ryan.''
Ryan: l'Thank you. Mr. Speaker, as I understand thfs Amendment and I'm
I understand ity this effects only Dupage County and I 1sure
really don't see why we should be opposed to this and ITd
like to chauge my vote to #no#.H
''Representative Lechowicz. Record Representative 1Speaker Redmond:
- . - . -Ryân és noL.- Representative Lechowiez. . ' '.: 1- *- ' . .. - . Eechowicz: ''Ktûdly reco.rd me .from 'aye' to 'no'.'' . . . . .u .w. . s
speaker Redmond: ''Record Representatfve Lechoulcz... Evfdently the
Governor made a pbone call. rThy don't we.- Representatîve Yourell ''
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Yourell: HRepresentatfve Skfnndr has prevafled upon' me to use my better
sense and I know withdraw my motion to table.oz'
Speaker Redmoad: HThe motion to table has been withdrawn. Now the question' i the adoption of Amendment //57 Those fn favor of adoptions on .
of the Amendment say 'ayedi'aye' opposed 'no'. The motion
carries. the Amenduent is adopted. Thank the Governor from
Dupage County. Any further Amendments?''
Clerk o'Brfen: ''Floor Amendment //58/1
Speaker Redmoad: HRepresentative Lechowiqz.''
Lechowicz: ''There wasn't a call from the Governor or from Ireland or
another party it was the argument tbat Skinner made fn refereaee
to the 4 million dollar profit and Gene.Barnes prevailed on this
side in discussing it witb Ceorge Ryan and Mike Madigan.'î
Speaker Redmond: HAmendment 58.1'
Clerk O'Brten; efAmendment 58. Deuster...fl
Speaker Redmond: HThere's a motlon to table Amendment 58. Those'.in
favor of the motion... Representative Madiganon
Madigan: îfI question the germaneness of the Amendmentp''
speaker Redmond: ''Parlfamentarfan... Representative Deustero'î
Deuster: ''If I might...excuse me, if I might speak on the subject of
gennalteness . 'Ihis Ameridmerkt was pzepared by Lbe tagisla Live
Reference Bureau specifically to makeo..thls is the Amendment
that gives tax relief for everybody in Illinoisp downstaters
from one end to the other. It repeals the sales tax on food
and medicine. Now, I would like to state why this Amendoent
fs germane. The tftle of the Act fs Lhe restructurtng of
transportation finance. And in the .Act itself, which I'milseeking to amend, Winchester's Amendment 75, it provides that l
tbe sales tax. a portion of ity go into the road fund. The
sales tax, under this Bill that is before us, Senate Bill 889,
provides that che sales tax will be used to fund the road fund t. .' '
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whtch restructures the level of sales tax support into the
road fund is germane because it's the same substance of the Aet.
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The title of the Act is restructuring the financing of transportat on.
The substance of the Act fs restructurfng the ffnancfng of
traasportation, the substance of this Amendment is simllarly
that. Oa the Amendment: in 4 placesy page 18, page 28, page 3l,
. page 34, the sales taxp the use tax. the service occup.--tax...
the occupation tax, a11 a@e specifically a/ended. This n
Amendment amehds the same Acts that are 'included in tbe Billy
not only by the title but by the very substance. It is a
germane Amendment and I do not feel that a contrived ruling
should be artfffcally created to deprfve the Members here frem
voting on it. Now I think the Majority Leadery Mr. Madigaay
and my Minority teader, Mr. Ryan, have got the manhood and the
musele to beat this Amendment. Let's do it. Come ony put
on your vote. This will be another opportuaity for you to
demonstrate to the Mayo: of Chicago tbat #ou?re a strong man,
- that you bave v'irility.. 0n this side Mr. Ryan will be able -
to demonstrate to our Governor that he can produce the votes.
Let's not shy from fty let's go on and take a quick vote. Let's )
not contrtve the rules and twtst logic in order to prevent the
rank and file Members from an opportunity to vote on this.
This'ïs..tllis ls one Amendment that's going to give tax relief lt
for every Member whc's sitting here and for a11 of our '
constituents. This amends and repeals the food tax on medicine
and food a11 over the State of Illinois. Itfs not discrimfnatory,
it's fair, it's' for tax relief and it fs packaged so we can
a1l walk home proudly and say, 'Yes, we supported R.T.A, yes
we supported the koad program for a11 of Illinois, and yes
we gave you some small semblance of tax relief-' Let's notI
shy from this. I think the Majority Leader over there can...
can turn on the votes to beat this if he has to and our Minority. a . . ' . . .
Leader, but let#s. give the rank and file Members some of us.- . . .. . . t .
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i.ha:t is fair and good . And so (( wotlld plea and urée, Wi.t:h the . - '''
Speaker and the Parliaaentarlan to recognïze the fact that
thts Amendment is germane and let's get on with tt. Mr. speaker,
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aad 1 would like an opportunity to preseat the Amendment.
Thank you-''
Speaker Redmond/ ''Representative Matijevich.'':
Matijevich; ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the Housey under Roberts Rules'
of Order a tegislative Body can rule on germaneness. I#m
going to now move that this Body rule that Amendment //58 is
germane. I feel that it goes to the heart of the exemptioa on
food and medicine and that it is a germane Amendment and
thereforey I'= going to move that this Body rule it geraane.
Dnder Robert's Rules, the House can make a ruling on germaneness.
I know the Parliamyntarian is tr#ing to stretch one of the
rules on your duties as Speaker but 1...1 doa't think that
there is a...a rule in our House Rules that mandates that a...
that tlle Chair mast make a rulins on gek=aneness whea there is
a motion that the Body do it itself. So I now make that mo tionoî'
Madigan: .HMr. Speaker, I respectfully disagree with Representative
Mattjevich. 0ur rules bave p'rovided that the question of
germaneness shall be ruled on by the Chair. The rules are
expllcït. They clearly state that the Chair shall rule oa l
those questions and then the remedy available to thpse who
disagree is to appeal the ruling of the Chaïr.l' :
Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Matijevich.'' .
lfaefjevich: '%Te1l, Mr. Speaker, I made the pofnt before when I think it
was somebody on the other side of the aisle was trying to
suspend an appropriate rule. If Mr. Nadfgan fs correce 1:11
abide by that but he'll have to cfte the rule. I don't think
he can just stand on the floor and says that somethlng.fsj
explicit if it is explicit give me the rule. Tben the rule
wlll determine tn Ry mind whether tt is explicit. But untfl
- he cif'e-s that rulè I don't think it's expltcit at all.n
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the duties of the Speaker is to rule upon all. . .decide a1l
oints of order subject to appeal.''P
Speaker Redmond : ''Representative lfati.j *vieh . ''. , .-1
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Matijevich: ''We11 I bave not raised a point 6f order. I have made aI
motfon tbat the House rule on the germaneness of Amendment
//58. That fs not a point of order. Ihis is a motion on
germaneness. He just told the Body that therels a rule
- expllcitl#h' gïvïng the Speaker the rlght and the duty to rule
on sermaneness. He has not yet showed me that explicit ruleo''
Speaker Redmoad: HWe11 Ifve been advised by the Parliamentariaa and itês
my opinion: somewhat collaterallys is that ft is the duty of
the Speaker. It has been tn tbe past that the Speaker has
ruled on questions of germanenebs. The rules do not spell
out germaneness exactly but it does.owthe Parliamentarian
advises me that the question of germaneness is a point of
order. And Rule 4(g), under the duties of the Speaker to
decide a11 points of order subject to appeal and to speak
thereon in preference' to other Membersa and 4(n) to enforce j'l
a1l Constitutional provisions, statutesy rules and regulatfqns l
applicable to the House. So under that rule I am advfsed that
ft would be my duty to pass.on the question of germaneness. jNow that of course is subjeet to suspensfon by a vote of 89
votes. So, Representative Hanaban/'
11 lHanahan: Mr. Speaker, last night I gave you a prepared question I
. concernfng the germaneness of the whole Bf11 then that the '
Speaker sbould rule on concerning whether Amendment ?/5 uas
germane to the Bi11. And under tbe ruling that youere now
making fs it my interpretation Lhat aL any time the Speaker
may act, may be questioned on the germaneness of the total
Bill and have ft entered fnto the recerd whetber or not the
Speaker feels Amendment f!5 was germane to the Bill and..J'!
Speaker Redmond: HI don't think my deeision goes that far. My decision
now-..the question before the Body is tbe question of the-
' Azd that's the first'time' that that's jadoption of Améndment 58.1
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-y - c . a . - . - . - ' . . . . j* ..- ' .. - . .L -'read there in t'he r'ulesy included your right to judge tyou
the constitutionality and the germaneness at any time. You
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.' didn't limit the time period that you could make that decision.
And I'm questioning now that under this ruling that you uake
that youRre going to put yourself in the posltion of making
a ruling now that will effect a future request of germaneness
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' on Amendment //5 before we vote ou the tssue on Thfrd Reading-''
Speaker Redmond: 'fRepresentative Friedrich.''
Friedrich: 'Vell, Mr. Speaker, after some of the procedures yesterday
' I'dfd research thfs and I would have to concur wïth Representatïve
Matijevich tbat fn the absence of a specific:. rule on this ,
then Robertls Rules of Order prevail. Robert's Rules of Order .
are very specfffc ehat the House can make ehe motion. ? I*m
not going to support it but I think ft's a proper motion.''
Speaker Redmond: ''Now Representative Matijevich.''
Matfjevfch: ''We11 even though I mfght thfnk ft's proper, fa order eo' $get us moving I'm golng to withdzaw it.'î 1
HNow weere considering Am' endment 58 and the question lSpeaker Redmond:is.-.the germaneness has been raised by Representative Lechowfcz.
Mr. Parliamentarian. The Parliaaentarian advises me that it
is his judgement that the Amendment is not germane. Representative
Deuster-'' lDeuster: ''Again, very respectfulty, I9m jùst going to ask for a Roll ll
I .Call on an appeal of this ruling and I think everybody knows
what it is. For the life of me I cannot uaderstand the
rulingqand that's why as an individual Member I have an
obligation to do what I think is right and proper. This
Amendment amends a tax tbat is in support of transportation.
It's as germane as anything I've'ever seen. I know I'm
not the Parliamentarian, we have an orderly systeR and thatvsl
h1s job and you're the Speaker but under the rules we have
a provision for appealing rulings. I think that.w.l'm moving
to appeal the rulina of the Chair so that everybody bere' - j
' wbo .feels that there should be this sales tax relief and j.- . . . : -. . .. = - . . . . . - j .' - - '-- . pn oppoct.unfwt-y- to .vote.. on $t .'. uan over the State ot. - . . . . . . . . - . 1 ..
' . . -.'' -. . Illinois- we '1:1 .have an opportunity to vote 'yes ' to .show -...- -. '. ..*.71 .',$
our constituents that tbey believe that the sales tax on food
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and medicïne 'should be removed and ft should be done in thfs
Bf11. We should not gamble upon the fact that ft might be
done next month. .. :4k@ubké put it a11 in one package...the'
' .only opportunfty that we haves Ladies and Gentlemen of this .
' House, to vote on this issue the only opportunity that we .
have is right before us now and wlth a11 respect to the Speakery
I feel he's a fine Gentleman: I respect the Parliamentarian .
but nonetheless I'm going to appeal the ruling of the Chair.
And to some extent I regard tbe' wholeqcircumstance here#
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as many Democratic Members have told me is a little humorous
and frustratings here we have the Democratic Party of the
State of Illinois and Organized Labor pushiag through an ,
increase in the sales tax and not only doing that but adding
insult to fnjury by refusing co give the poor peoplev for j
whom the Democratic Party and.organized Labor normally staqd,
the opportunity to have food and medicine exempted. And at
tbe same time I have my Republican Party over here participatfng lI
in some fratrfcidey I would call itz in which we have the 'jshaft to the strength and stronghold 1downstaters sticking the
of our Republican Party of suburban fpok. This is. I suppope, . . . .
h morous in a way, it's difficult it's frustrating and I'm 'kl >
sorry that the two pàrties are torn apart. I know that half
the Democrats from Cbicago tbink this Bill stinks but you're
following your leader and that's what we do down here. Butt..
but ignoring 'all that political background I do feel that this
is a sublect in which we are a1l entitled to vote upon. WeI
a1l bave oae vote, webre a11 elected by constituents and to
. bave the Parliamentarian wbo is an appointed person, come
up witb a ruling that we can't vote on givtng the people
tax relief .is something that- I don't think we want to live ' -t .
1. .. . g.with and we nowuhave an opportunity, with çespect.to. yhe . ,.u.: .v .. 1 ' ..J . ' . ' - - - .. c .-. . -. - - .. .- L ' ' .' 'J -' ..ir 1 ' ) '. :' . . . .. - . .Ij -g ... - a ...m . . ...g. '1 - - - j . .* .'.. .. .. - . .
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.. jI respectfully ask you to vote 'yes', put your green lights
oh to aooeal this rulinz which I feel is wrong. Thank you.'' -
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Speaker Redlond: ''The questioa is on the Gentleman's motion that the
ruling of the Chair be overruled. Those in favor èf his motfon
vote 'aye' opposed vote 'no'. It takes 89 votes. Representative
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Braun: î'Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of tbe Housey I may have
made a mistake a few mïnutes ago because I votedy I'thought,
for the principle that the R.T.A. needed to be protected. I
voted consistent wit: the principle that to me was importaat.
But RepresentativezDeuster's motion represeats another
ïmportant principle and that has to do with this crucial
issue of the sales tax on food and drugs. I've looked at
this Amendment. It appears to me to be as gerzane as any.
It has to do with the sublect, it amends the right Sectiony it
is a germane Amendment and I would respectfully urge al1 of the
Members of this House who are sitting back waiting for a veto
override that will never happen that this àgain fs your opportunit
and I urge a 'yes' vote-''
nHave a11 voted who wish? The Clerk wtll take the lSpeaker Redmond:record. 0n this question there's 63 'aye' and 85 'no' and
the Gentleman's =oefon fafls. Webre back now.v.back on
Repre: e'ALatfve Devste::l s motion to tabq.e Amendlrer.t 58 . . .
Thatls right, that's rfght, it's not germane. Any other... ,
' any other Ameudments?''
Clerk OîBrien: ''No further Amendments/l
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Winchester.''
Winchester: HThank you, Mr. Speaker. Since Amendment //5 amended the
title of Senate Bi11 889 I would move to suspend Rule 34(d) '
for the purpose of moving Senate Bi11 889 to Tbird Readtngo''
speaker Redmond: ''Representative Skinner.''
Skinper: I'Could we have a clue as to what that rule . is?) I mean those- F . ' ' ' 1. . w . y7 . . . - .f 11 d ' t: ' ' ' îo us t at on ...
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s eaker Redmond: ''That ' s probably th* rule that says when -you. . . 17 - ---- ---'p
skfnner: ''I mean I would. like a f iscal note . . . I should think it would
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show the state was gaining several.oaat léast 150 million
dollars that weRre not givlng away to R.T.A. anymore/' I'd
sort of like to have that printed in the record. ' Here comesJ . ..
. . ' . - '!J , '- the f iscal. note y I ê 11 bet .. Trot trot y trot ;. trot . '' - - .' -.. .- - .. . & - . . . .
Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Madigan-- Madigan/'
Skianer: ''Is that the fiscal note?l'
Nadigan: ê'kr. Speaker, bow many votes are required for Mr. Winchester's
motion?''
fy ' .Speaker Redmond: 89. Which rule was ita Representative Wlnchester?
Aay further discussion? Refresentative Matilevich.''Matijevicb: l'Ifd like him to restate that suspension of the rule, the
rule and what he stated. Because as I see...did he say 34(d)?
' fï ure out...'' MI thought he sald (d) and I couldn c g
Spûaker Redmond: ''D as in David.''
Matijevich: ''Wel1 34(d) is that the one that says no Amendment is. #
in order unless it is confined to the subject of the Bi11?1'
Speaker Redaond: ''That next sentence fs the one that he's worrfed
about. You got the red book or the green book?''
hltijevicb: ''I've aot the green book-''
knqpkçr Rqdp/pd: ''Tbat'z thç wrong rulesr We changed that. ' It's the
' se'cond sentenee there, Repzesenuative Mattjevzch. uù:f.ch ..
would require thate.-'' Okay. Representative Skinnery are :
you satisfied? The Amendment is adopted amending the title
of the Bt11 on the demand of any Member before it's advaneed
it shall be returned to the Order of Second Readingy Ffrst,
Leglslative Day and read by the aaended title on two days
before final passage-''
skiuner: 'Nr. speaker-''
Speaker Redmond: f'Yes.''r ' .
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' ' Re resentative Friedricb-'' ' ' 'opposed vote no . p
' Friedrfch: HI would just ask. for'an affirmative vote.- Contrary to that.. - -
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welre going to be here another two or thrée.days.''
Speaker Redaoad: 'fHave a11 voted who wlsh? The Clerk vfll take the
record. 0n this questfoa there's 110 'aye' and 48 'nol
. . and the motion prevails. The rule is suspended. Mr. Clerk,
fs there a request for a fiscal note?n
Clerk 0 Brien: A fiscal note is filed.
Speaker Redmond: HThe fiscal note has been requested and it bas been
filed. Is that correct?n
Clerk O'Brien: ''That's correct.''
Speaker Redmond: 'CNow *111 you read this comnunication? Wait a minute...
okay. Third Reading. ke need a Supplemental Calendar before
we can do anythfng. You got the Supplemental Calendar?
Message from the Senate. Representatfve Deuster...on Thfrd
Reading. Wefre anticipating your questionoul
Deuster: ''Yes, I thought maybe to move thiags along we can preseut
this questïon at this time while yougre watting for the
jj 'Supplemental Calendar. . l
Speaker Redmond: HI think itls better to wait until we get the
Calendar fn front of us so we know what webre talking abouto''
Deuster: MAII righty thank you.''
(zlerk 0$ Brien : f'/- Message f rom the Se:late 1:7 Mz . Wrf gk t s Secretaz'y. &'
Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representatives
that the Senate bas adopted the followfng Senate Joint
Resolutfon fn the adoption of whfch I am instructed to ask '
concurrence of the House of Representatives, to wit:
Senate Joint Resolution //1. The congratulatory Resolution
for the Y.M.C.A. Hotel in Chicagoy adopted by the Senatel
september 6, 1979. Kenneth Wright, Secretaryo'' . l
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Stearney. Representative Stearney.
- . . . . We lust .rqgd' sopething, what do you want to do wtth it7... g E.'f w
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That was a little island in the Mississfppi River. Representative
Marovitz.'î
Marovitz: ''An inqùiry of the Chair? Mr. Speaker. Wtll there be a
schedule coming out from the Speaker's office regarding the
Veto Session and the dates in October when we will be in
Session?''
Speaker Redmond: 'îYes...yes.''
Marovita: R%i11 that be out within a week maybe?''
Speaker Redmond: ''We11 you'll have ft fn a day or soo''@
Marovitz: 'fokay. Thank you, Mr. Speaker/'
Speaker Redmond: î'Yougll be glad to know that the computer is broken
down so we have to type the Supplemental Calendar. Th1s...
the first thing we#re gofng to do is turn off those lights.
I think lzelve been in the goldfish bowl long enougk for a while.
What are we talklng about... The House will be at ease for
about 10 mtnutes until we get this thing done. 1he rumor
about the computer being broken is a rumor.
The House will be back in order, we've had 5 m'inutes.
On the House Calendar, the Regular Calendar: on the reverse
side appears Senatee.gsenate Bills, Third Reading, appears
Senate Bi11 890. Representative Winchester.l. p
Clerk Leone: adsenate Bi11 890. Wincbester. Amends the Transportation
Bond Act. Thfrd Reading of the Bfl1.''
Wincbester: ''Tbank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and centlemen of the House.
I donlt think there's any need for any great debate on this
partfcular ïssue. Werve debated tboroughly on Second Reading
and now I would just simply ask for a favorable Roll Call vote
for Senate Bi11 890.''
speaker Redmond; ''Representatlve Matijevich-l'
' '. Matiqevich: ''We1l. #r. Speaker 'and Members of the House, 1 wouldn't
' ' thoroughlf. As I !say that we ve dèbated this matter very
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Legislature relatfng to transportation tha't we spent almost
a fùll day on it tyring to tell the Legislature how much
the bonding would cost, how much the interest would costs
. ' whether the bonding program was a vfable program fobche
.7 c ' - ' 'people of the State of Illlnois, vhether the-..the bonds
, would be good for the bondholders or t:e taxpayers. And also
at ehat tlre I recall qufte vfvfdly that there vere many
promïàes made to the Legislators that the bondfng program
would be one that would gfve projects throughout the
State of Illinois and there were many Legislators on the floor
of the House who thought that the bonding Bf11 ought
to be specific as to those projects. I thtnk we in the
Legislature realize that...that there has been much
criticism, so mvch criticism that we had a Committee formed
on long term debtsk. Senator Netsch I see walking through
the aisles right now and Woody Bowman on this side of the
rotunda, who have been studyingov.and the Auditor General .
too, on where the matter of long term debt is getting us.
This is an issue, I thinky that downstaters are very closeI
to. You voted now for House Bill 889, at least the Amendments,
that kead you to believe that you-re going to ge'u something
for nothing. And now here comes the Catch 22. As I said lyesterdayy if there is something that Mayor Byrne with the
Governor, Thompson, in the agreement on Thompson - Byrne. it
may have been in the bonding. It may have been that the
agreement was made as to where the projects are going to
be and I'm sure that to be able to get the committment of
1gotng along..gqbecause R.T.A, let's face it, gets nothing I
in What We JuS2 have done ia the AmendmenL Of 889. It's
0n1V really a Lransfer of fpnding from What now R.T.A. gets
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to convinue me that the Department of Transportation now, in
what we've doney is going to spend manyz mcre dollars in operations
than they should. Youlre not going to convince me that they. :: ' .
u -s .. . .. are going .to peet ou6 fairly-througiôut. the Statewof. Illinofs '
their projects. So much..onobody has said to this House how .
much of a percentage of funds are going to be paid fn
engineering costs. Nobody has told me how much are going
to be new projects. Nobody bas told me how much is gôing
to be spent on rfght-of-ways, then mafntenance aad constructioa
of our existing highways. This is what I call frresponsible.
I made an issue on the Floor of the House as to the Illinois
Conservatfve Unfon gradlng us on our votes on appropriation
Bills. IT11 tell you, if the Illinois Conservattve Union
is a creditible tnstftution in grading us oa the quote,
'Propo:ition 133, these two Bills are the Bills that they
should rate us. Because a11 of us know that when you give
the power to tax and'increase taxes and give increased
revenues that government is going to spend a11 that you
give them. To me, this is an issue that downstaters can
vote against. The heavy bonding and what it will do to
fucure generations, what it will do to the interesc rates .
and that we are.a.taxpayers are going to be paying on tnterest. .
Thls is a Bfll that you're golng to vote-p-should vote agafnst
as a responsible Legislator and believe mey we have not
debated it, not only not thoroughly: we#ve not debated it at
all an d I could urge a 'na' vote.n '
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Skinnero''
Skinner: ''Would the Sponsor yield for a couple of...simple question7''
Speaker Redaond; ''He will...Representative Ninchester/t
. . .. ..skinner) .''How muchuloney will-be:borréwedwunder thts authorization?r . . .
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Winqhester: HTwenty-five year serial bondsol' '
Skinner: ''What will the carrying costs be once a11 the bônds are outstanding
on an annualized basis?l'
Winche'sterz ''It dqpends on the ratey Ca1.' We doneto.ewe don't know that ' '. X . ' - ' ' :
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Skinner: ''We11 give me a wild-eyed guess.l' c
Winchester: l'Six percent.'fI Skfnneri' ''For how much money though?'l ' - '
Winchester: ''About 2 mi11ion...2 million in the first year would be '
the debt service.''
Skinner: ''Ifm sorry... 2 million for what?l'
Winchester; d135 mfllfon at the peak/'
Skinner: '135 million once al1 of them are outstanding? Are we going
to build any asphalt roads with this imoney?'' '
Winehester: HBùilding new roads?''
Skfnner; ''Ts any asphalt goïng to be lafd wfth rhis money?n
Winehester: 'fli's al1 for construction.'l ' -
Skinner: ''I don't think that's responsive to the ansuer- -to the question.
11 donft'think Itm awakea''
Winehester: ''?e11 of course there wfll be asphalt-'' '
Skinnerf MAl1 right. if thereVs gqing to be asphalt: how long willJf
that asphalt last? How long before the road will deteriorate
sufficiently to need resurfacing?''
Ifinchester) ''The asphalt uould be there pe raanently, Cal.''
Skinner: ''We11 that's funny, the asphalt that was laid in 1969 after
the last gas tax fncrease in my district, the first roads that
were laid are'eompletely. un.vounpassable right now. Route 31
betlzeen Huntly and Route 72, for exanple. That's a naxé/um of
10 years. It would seem to me, if I may address the issues
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off at the same tlme whfle we onky have oée highway. Now
I#m fraakly surprised at the Gentleman from the southern part
of the dfstricty wbô's district, I thinks overlaps thatD . . . . . '
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Assembly calledy 'Simon is the Sponsor of this Bill'.'
v jWhen he hears about it I m sure he won t approve of it. .
Of course that von't make any dffference because he's g/ne
to his happy hunting ground in Congress. 'But it just does
not make good sense to sell bonds for projects that will not
last as long as ft takes:to repay the bonds. Now thfs fs
better tban what Governor kalker offered, I mean he wanted'
jus to boad money to replace glass and to cut klass and tobuy picnic tables. At least we#re buylng asphalt here.
But it doesp'.'t Dake sense, it doesn'è make sense at a11.''
Speaker Redmond: ''Representatlve Mautino.''
Mautino: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. W111 the Gentleman yfeld for a
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question? Bob I haven t had the opportunityy nor do 1
want to really discuss Amendments or I didn't prepare any
for any of the Bfllsy 889 or 890. I do have a conce rn
'd Ifrom the statements you made late last evening and I1
like 'co have ycu explain it Lo L1e > because I 'u-ltillk a 1ot Iof votes wfll hedge on ft. Your statement was that by :
increasing the bonding indebtednessy the 60O million dollars,
'Xt.wA11- relieve tbe state's reliance on bond funds for future
years. I'd lfke to have you explafn that to me beeause knowfng
a little bit about finance and bonding I want to explain...
I want you to explain to me bow that can happen by increasing
1the bonding indebtedness that wiil lacer relteve the reltance
on bonds for the program.''- p . v - ' - ..
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in detail. It...if you want to at least g'ive me the opportunity
to get a'more depth answer and come back and answer your question
latery I really am on the spot now. 1 cannot answer it and
make it a- you know, azgood,. intelligent answer to your question-''' , .
Xautfno) ''Okay, because I knov that through a debt servlce, anytime you
get to 1.75 to a 1...or 2 to 1 ratio, which the 1 billion dollars
worth of bonds wil1...wil1 do that are outstanding or
authorized, you cannot possibly,'and I'd like to have aay
economist tell me thatva.that that will reduce relianee on
future fundfng. I just uant to get thïs statement...l'm
going to support it, don't get me wrong, because I think...l
kaow it has to be done but I don't like to have the statement
made on the House floor that by increasing the boaded
indebtedness and debt service it will relieve reliance op
bonds fn the future beqause veîre extendfng bends for the
f uture . ''
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Mcclainoî'
Mcclain: ''Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of
the House, I stand tn support of this measure and I stand Itoday only because l don't thfnk only the quotes ought to 1
Ibe from opponents of the measure. Franklys siuce 1975 the
Illinots Department of Transportation..wl was the Sponsor of
that Bill at that time, as Ted Leehowicz knows, bas been
bopding in order to pay for operating costs of tbe Illinois
Department of Transportàtfon. For che fkrst tfme weVve knowny
since 1974 and 1975, that we needed éome sort of road funding
aechanism so we did not have to rely on bonding in order1
for the Illinots Department of Transportation to...to act l
at all. For the first time the Governor and the Mayor and
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50 million going to the Chicago Metropolitaa Area and 50
million going to almost the other 10l counties. For the
ffrst tfme you have here a 1ot of downstaters promotfng ïty
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in the bottom 96 counties. And because of that I thfnk ltîs
. .a good prcgram fnr dovnstate. We have a dedïcatlon of half
the bond funds. I think i6!s an important parcel for us to
get that dedication and it's a cbange in tbe past poliey of the
last 5 years a' nd I'd urge you to vote 'aye'a''
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Rèflly.''
Reilly: HMr. Speaker, webve debated this essentially same question for
ove'r 15 hours. 1 move the previo'us questton.î'
Speaker Redmond: î'The Gentleman has moved the previous question.
The quzstion isy shall the main question be put? Tbose sn
favor vote 'ayel opposed vote 'no'. Have al1 voted who#
wisht The clerk will take the record. 0n this question
therels l13 'aye' and 35 'no'.and the motion prevails.
Representative Winchester/'
Winchester: ilThank you, Mr. Speaker. I think Representative Garmisa
koutd like to closez'
Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Garmisa-n F
Garmisa: ''Thaak you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House.
Thls fs an fntegral pare of the overall transportati/n package.
It will provide 400 million in higbway constructfon and 200
million of this is to go to Northeastern Illinois aad 200
mlllion downstate. And in addition it contains the authority#
for 200 million of Series B Bonds for public transportation, l180 million of whtch would go to the R.T.A. and 20 million
downstate. And these would be for capital improvements.
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Bureau' of the Budget that the state can readily afford to
market the bonds ln these amounts. And ehe Proceeds tbey're
from are essential to haviùg a meaningful highway program in
Illinôis . :'.'1 'kdttld 'ask 'fo/ a''favorable. vote oa Senqte Bill 89'0
as it's been amended. Thank you very muehz'
Speaker Redmond: HThe question is, shall this Bi11 pass? Those in
favor vote 'ayet opposed vote,''n'o' Representative Bowman Dto> * :
' '' '' 'r p' l ! 'explain his vote . î'
Bovman: Hrhank youy Mr. Speaker. Rarely have I seen a Bfll Sponsor
so inadequately prepared to answer questions and I'm sorry
the debate was terminated before he had.modid have a chance
to pursue some other lines of inquiry. For exampley ft
would be useful to know what the ratio of debt service to
road fund balances would bey secause thn Auditor General'e :
Report that was alluded to here earlfer indicates that that
raelo rfght no= is carelessly hfgh. And it seems to me that
if this funding program does'not buy us an appreciably better 1
. ,ratio we ought to reject. it. Thereês another reason for
ldoing so pertalning to tbe R.T.A. Representative Garmisa
indicated that the R.T.A. would maybe..-fn the Chicago
area get 120 mflllon dollars of new capital improvezent money. p
Well thatls a11 well and good but we've already seen the operatfng
expenses here the operaefng deffcits are growfng at astronomfeal
rates. If you expand tbe capital stock youlre going to add
to that opetating deficit. So that's only going to mean
still yet higher fare fncreases in the R.T.A. area than
are already being projected. I think these are two very good
reasons for rejecting this proposal at this time .''
Speaker Redmond : ''Representative Skinner.''
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Borchers: ''We11, since tt looks like we're oh'fire; I think 1:11 Just
mentiou one...:' If I read my htstory right, it's al1 right to
votes for this for a simple reason, we're not going to ever.
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think I'm a fairly good historian and I have an idea, if
hfstory repeats ïtself as ft has a11 over the corld: tfme
after timey century after centuryy we might as well vote fer
it and get the work done becauae we're not going to have to
pay for 1t. Thaak you.''
Speaker Reduond: l'Have all voted who wish? Representative Macdonaldeî'
Macdonald: 'lYes, Mr. Speaker, I would like to explain my vote and at.. -. - . .' '-
the same tfme I have a pofnt of personal prfvflege. I am
voting, of course, against this package because I feel it is
so terribly inequitabla to the particular areas, a suburban ,
f which I come. There is nothing fair about this. jarea o'' ' 1 b through 15 or 16 hoursWe ve beea through it we ve een
of the Amendments that trted to make it better. But my main joint fn rfsfng is to express the apprecfatfon that I f eel 1P I
lfor the outer county people and tbose downstate people who I
stood with the suburbanites agaiqst what is so obviously unfaj r glirt terms of legislatio:t. It would . . .could have beers thati tlàey t1 J'Iwould have been able to be silent because what was happening jIto them. the tuarter.percent of the sales tax, would not really jlhave fmpacted thefr cftizens too severely. Bu: thef/ dedicatlon l
and their valor in helping those of us who have been and who's
citizens have been so severely injured by this particular
legislationy is unprecedented fn the years that I have been
here. And I want to personally express my apprectaelony 1
particularly to ca1 Skinner, Lee Danlels and the many others
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about a 1ot of peàple in the State of Illinofs and youere talking
about effecting the lives of many peoyle. It is a tiue of
inflation, we are suspended in a time when tt ts extremely
, . . . fmpvrtant what wq are qoina to do ln terms of a nrecession .
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the poor can least afford it, those on fixed incomes, whea .
the promise for inflation'is even worse...every day the financial
pages.w.yesterday the Dow Jones took a dfve that it hasa't taken
fn years and years, so that a11 of these thlngs surround us
and yet we seem to isolate ourselves in this chamber as one' group not caring that much about another. So I would like
to personally extend my appreciation to my fellow colleaguès
on both sides of this aisle who have seen the need ofao.beyond
thefr own fmmedfate areas: to help fn a sftuatfon whfèh wfll
have repercussions and implications far, far down the road.
And I appreciate your helpo''
Speaker Redmond: HRepresentatfve Kanes'' .
Kane: #'Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Housey with this 600
million dollars worth of transportation bonds that we#re Iauthorizing by this vote today, the total in transportation
' ' bonds that this Legislature has authorized under tbe new ' - '->
Constftution fn the l'ast 9 years will go over 2 blllion dollars.
Total general obligation bonds that this Legislature has
authorized fn those 9 years will be about 3.8 billion dollars.
The principle and interest of the debt service last year on
the transportation bonds came to 69 million dollars or about
10 percent of the road fund revenues uent to debe servfce.
If this package is passed there are pereentages of debt servtce
that will...the percentage of road fund revenues that will go
. . . to debt senvice will be between 13 and 15 percent. Bond houses
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was first initiated back in 1971 we were iold that we were' going
to get a supèlemeatal freeway system from the bond program.
Since then the Department of Transportation has passed
. . . - . ..lygf slaiïon -%p -4l.1qw .bondau to le .uspd fer aafatenance and ncw' -.
the bonds that ke are authorizing aow is basically befng u'sed
by the Depértment Y Trausportàtion .for cash wflow purposes. . .
't's being used for maintenance. It is not being used for
a supplemental freeway systen. And I think that if we are '
going to go along this route we should remember what happened
to New York several years ago. I remember that righ; after
that we were a11 concerned about what was happening to debt' .
and debt service here in Illinois. We haven't heard anything
about that in the last year or so but if we keep this program
up and keep going down the path we have been going, everybody ,
ïn thfs country fs gofng to be talking about Illfnofs and what
Illinois did and not what New York did and I would urge a 'no'
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speaker Redmond: 'fRepresentative Huskey.''
Huskey: HMr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, from touth Icook county I would also like to acho Ginny Macdonalds rèmarks in the
ltelp uhaf the collar counEiea assisted suburkaxt Cc.ak CotJaty. . .'
I've got to also thank Representative Ted Meyer for filing
a motion to send this Bill to the Rate Study Comaittee and
I've got to chastise Representative Bowman for Just...for' asking questions. Because when you go to shotgun weddings
you don''t ask questfons. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.''
Speaker Redmond: f'Have a11 voted who wish? %he Clerk will take the
record. On this question there's 115 'aye' and 59 'no'.
The Bi1l, having received the Constitutional Majority, is hereby
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Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Deustereîl
Deuster: ''Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order and the point of
order upon which I rfse is to suggest that this Bi11 fs
- . i1'8 nuiif thé''lllindê is Cun-stitution and 'to' eequest 'that:. . J.n vlola
you so rule and that you rule that the Bill should be taken
' . out of the order and not consldered and very specfffcally
and briefly I'd like to make this point. I#m sure that the
people of Cook County and the business community in this
state wfll be challengfng thfs fn the courts. , And the purpose
of mv remarks. in addition to ask for your ruling, is to
1ay a legislative foundation for that successful challenge.
The Illinols Consftutïon provldes ln Article IVy relattng
to the Legislative Branch and Section 8: relating to thel
passaga of Bills, ln Sub-section 8'Nd): the prcvfslor. that 'i
Bills should be confined to one subject. Mr. Speakerp Seaate )Bill 889 is not confined to one subject. Amendment ?/5 to
Senate Bill 889 amends or refeals 14 different IllinoisActs. one, it azends the 1919 State Finance Act on page 3
f the Amendment ; two , it amends the 1969 Illinois Vehicle 1o
Code on page 8 of the Amendment ; three: it apends the Illinoisl
Highway Code of 1959 on page 9 of the Amendment; foury it p
amends the Retafl Occupation Tax of 1933 on page 10 of the
Amendment; five, it amends the Use Tax of 1959 on page 19 1
of tNe Amendment; six, it amends the Service oecupation...
or the Service Use Tax of 1961 on page 28 of the Ameadment;
seven, ft anends the Servfce Occupatfon Tax of 1961 on page
31 of the Amendment; etght, ït amends the Motor Fuel Tax'
jLaw of 1929 oh page 34 of the Amendment; nine, tt amends the
R.T.A. Act of 1973 on page 39 of Amendment //59 ten, it repeals
- z ' . - .the. Reduc&d Transit-rarès'Act for Elderly of 1974 on page . -. . . . . . . . j
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page 60 of the àmendment aad f6urteea and lastly, it amends
the Civil Adminlstrative Code of 1917 on page 16 of the Amendment.
. Now the Illinois Constitution'provides,k''as I saidy that Billsf ' ' '' '
. ''. ' ' . . except for Appropriaifoâ ''.lând we â1l 'rsmember .these 'pniizfbus .-u :'.: . . u -.. u. . . . . , . ay
Bills, in fact Representative Lechowfcz. I thinky offered
an Amendment that we adopted saying ftom now on weê're not
going to have aaymore of these awfuls rotten, horrible omnibus
Bflls that cover everything from the kitchen sink to the
Southern part of the Mississippi River. That's bad evea
thouzh it's not ùnconstitùtional it's bad form and we know it
fs. But the Constitution provides specifically that Billsy. .. . . . . . . - . . . ..
except Bills for appropriations and for the codification revision
or rearrangement of laws, shall be conffned to one subject.lThat is what is wrung, Constibutionallyy with Senate Bill 889.
Now I know the Mayor and the Governor were very anxious to
get us down here in September to try and meet some federal
deadline and to do this as fast and as quick and stick it
to eve rybody or get it passed as quickly as they could. Now
itgs one thing for us to ignore or suspend Rules of tbe House:
bue we can't suspend the Illinofs Constitution. We must
live with that Constitution. What our lèaders, our Governor ' :
and our Nayor and everyone else should have done. they should ,
have introdueed separate Bflls on these separate subjects instead
of one Bill on 14 different Acts. I respectfully make the
point that thisl.Bill: in its present forms is in violation of
the Constitution and if the courts so hold what should be Iobvious to anyone from just listening te a list of the various jActs that have been amended or repealed, if the courts so
hold we'll be back here agafn dofng ft over agafn and dolng
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only on the germaneness, on the rules of order and the other
. duties that you have under our rules, but also for you to
respect: as all of us do, ehe Constitutfonal provisfons that
have been adopted by the pebple of the State of Illinois. whon. . I -. . ' ' . . w . . .. . . . . . .
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Speaker Redmond: î'Representative Madiganvl' '
Madfgan: HMr. Speaker, I respectfully suggest to youy Sfry that ft ls
not one of your duties to rule oa constitutioaality of Bills
and aaain respectfully, Sir, I suggest tbat it is not wfthtn
your power to rule on questions of constitutionalityen
' .. .7 'Speaker Redmond: Representative Contf.' Is there anyone else?
!' . : : Representative Leinenweber.'l ' . -
Lelaeaweber: I'Yeahs I would point out to you Robert's Rules of Order is
newly revtsed and page 215.. khich holds that with certain types
of breaches there are of a contfnuing natures in whfch case a !point of ordertcan be made at any time during the coatinuance
of the breach. Instances of this kind occur when a motfon is
in violatton of national, state or local law, the by-laws or
Constitutton or rules of t:e organfzatfon or the fundamental Ilprincples of parliamentary law. So that the action proposed k
' ' by the motion' would be null and void eveh if the motion - ' '
' were adopted. In such cases it is never to late to raise a D
point of order against a motion. I think Representatfve Deuster's
point here can and must be raised at this particular junetion,
prior to us voting on this and I certainly would join with
him in asking you to rule whether or not this Billo..senate
Bill 889 as amended by Amendment #5, as pofnted out by
Representative Deuster covering a my'riad of different and totallyJ l
unrelated subjects can possibly fall within our constituttonal
provtsions whieh Article IV, Section 8(d), which requires that
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the time on the strdcture of Appropriation' Bills. This is
a procedural Constitutional question aad well wlthin tbe
purview of the Chair. It is not a substantive Cgnstitutional
' . 2 ' .' :..' . . ' ' questiomdl' iorwwW tlier. the.. courr.s likvex' sustallaaetlf.'-'tltev..o.tM. n . . ' u'.
language of the particular Yection but whether the Bill itself
is in order before the Eouse and .1 belfeve it is appropriate '
for the Chair to rule. Thank you/'
Speaker Redmond: î'Anything furtherT This ts a...a subject that I had
antlcipated, qufte fraakly. Some mysterfous way a Conference
Cnmmiztee Report on'l072 appeared several hours before the
Message from the Senate ever came over here requestinaaa
Conference Cnmm4ttee. So I had occasion to look at the conteats
of the Conference Commaettee and the contents of that report
are strangely si'ailar to Amendment 5 to Senate Btll 889.
lI cas veryy very troubled by the éffore that I had anticipated
might be attempted by adopting a Conference Committee to have
incorporated a11 the matters that were in there.. And that jfbeing the case and anticipating: although I never was given the i
courtesy of receiving a copy of this Amendment... I never
saw it until very recentty. I dfd dfscuss the matter wfth the
Bond ''Cotmc'll' '.' ; .was advïsed . . .1 was caucioned that i'a the p
first place a decision of this kind had best be made at the
very initiative and very early stages. And of course we did
'gerlaneaess when Amendment //5 was lnot raise the question of
proposed. There's another situatïon here and that's that
fnasmuch as theo-.it's questioned whether the Constitution bas
been vtolated by not'restricting it to one.-one subject. That(
is somethlng that is decisional and the courts have so held
in the case of Benjamin vs. Devon Banks. That is not a
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h 11 tbe various subjects althougb tiere have beea uanyw en a ,
Chapters of the Statutes that had been amended, that'ïf they
related inar.in general and in a dtrect-'.vhad a direct
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be given under thosevètrcumstances. Due to the magnitude
' ' of this problem and'due to the fact that this matter was
' not raised earlier, it would seem to me it would be most
fnappropriate for me too.wto rule that the Constitutional
requfrements had been vlolated. I think that is a matter
' properly before the courts. I don't have aay question that
this matter wï11 be litigated and that is my rulings Sir.
Representative Deusterg'' )Deuster: ''Yess Sir. 1he House Rules, in Rule 4(n) provfde that one l
Iof the dutles of the Speaker to enforce a11 Constitutional '
provisions, Statutes: rules and regulations applicable to
the House. That rule places upon you, Mr. Speaker: a duty
to enforce not some Con<tftutional provtsions not to fgnore ', Il
Constitutional provisionsa but to enforce them and I respect '
that your decision has been made. I do believe that I don't
lwant to ask you to Jump into the middle of a hurrieane. I I.
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understand the posèure you're in and perhaps your 'respecc '! o
lfor the Judfciary and to 1et them do the difficult work. ;' j
do believe that tt is one of your duties to enforce 1But I lI
the Constitution, as is the duty of a1l of us to support ) 'l
the Constitution. It's in our Oath èf office and particularly
when you are elected to the Office of Speakers you are givea
some additional heavy burdens. and this is one of them and 1,ll
again, would respectfully suggest that 1 would hope that you 1
would comply wtt: this duty and hezp us enfokce the constttutlonl
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Speaker Redmond; nRepresentative Catania.ê'
Catania: ''Thank you Mr. Speaker. . I did just want to add
to the discusslon that there certatnly is precedent
' . for the @mxç.qkpr çonsidqxtng aftqr Amendments have .. . . . :. g . .. . u s o . ë . ! . . . . . .
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' b e ep . 'a d o p y..g d wlh e & h er =.t h q# a:r e c o n s t i t u t f. b p a 1 o r'' n o t: . 2- - - ' .'. '
I happen to remember, because in my first term here
I successfully offered an Amendment to a CTA Ap-
. propriation Bi11. 1 believe it was February 1èy
1973. The next day the question was asked whether
my Amendment and another Amendment which had been .
successfully offered by Representative Joe Lundy
provlding for public hearings for the CTA received
funds had made the Bill unconstitutional and Speaker .
Blair ruled that,qwith the adoption of the Amehdmeut,
the Bill had become unconstitutional and we then
t a full day in maneuverin'g trying to removespen
the Amendments from the Bill. So there is that. 1
precedent for the Speaker.'î
Speaker Redmond: ''We1l, that... that's one... that's one
of the difficultfes. I think that Speaker Blafr 'I' probably was one of the great Speakers that Illinois . . .. .
h d Among other.things he did he gave vs fine *ever a . #' . j1
chambers. He aave us offices. He gave us staff and
he vas alcays defensïve of the General Assembly. So,
I respect Speaker Blair. 0ne of the deficiencies
of the House of Representatives, a:d there are very
many of tbem that I bave found since I have been
Speaker in comparing it to the Congress of the I
United Statesy we do not have any precedents of
'. prevtous rultngs comparible to what you find in
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' ' that we should doy but some péople remember things. '
. But there isn't any place that I can refer to.
- As they say, it is my... exercise in my best
.. .1 u d gm e n t .aan d t.h a t. . i s my r u l i n g s 2.- r . . R e p r e' s e n t a t i v e '
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Matijevich: HMy recollections of some of the things 3
that happened under Bob Blafr; I#m glad we donêt .
have precedence to live by.'' '
Speaker Redmond: HHe was a great Speaker. He had
problems and there's never anybody that had the
clear sailing that I had. I.was unanimously selected
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. Speaker Redmond: HAnything further? Now, Represeatative.o.let's seey .
wedre on the matter of consideration of House Bill 889.
.. .. .- ' Rep'resentatlvq.kinchest.eç..aall welve- done is read the Billp
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Constitutional objection that Representative Deuster raised,. ' . , . ''
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Winchester: ''No thank you, Mr. Speaker/î
Speaker Redmond: Hokay, proceed.d'
Wincbesterk ''Though I would like to yield to Representative Rigney: '
kho is a Co-sponsor of Senate Bill 889, for opening remarks. '
Re resentative Rigney.'' . ' .' ' ' ' .' ' 'P
Speaker Redmond: ''Representatfve Rigney.î' '
Rtgney: f'Wel1, Mr. Speaker.and Ladfes and Gentlemen of the House, I
suppose the only thing that I'm going to say ia :he uext few
moments that a1l of you will approve of is to tell you at the
outset that I donlt intend to use my full 10 minutes. Now,
for the last several hours and all day yesterday we heard
how unfair House.-senate Bill 889 is to many people in tbe
State of Illfnoiss particularly those who are residing in
. . . .- . . . - .. .- . . - . the-Northeast- 'cœrner' of this s tate . I take except iOn to I
that. I belteve that Senate Bill 889 is good Legfslation. t'1
Now it has been charged that the only reason we are considering
thïs Bfll fs becquse we need massfve ne< monfes for mass transft
in that suburban area and Chicago area. The only reason welre
considering Seaate Bill 889 is because we need massive new
monies in the state road program. Well obviously, b0th of
those are facts of lffe. But at the same time I think we
are making a mal'or improvement in the funding structure of
mass transit as far as the State of Illinois ts concerned.. . ' . . . . . . '.. . ' ' .
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why fn that original R.T.A. legislation we saw fit to take
three thirty-seconds of the sales tax money and return that
. ' . for mass'transit in this area. Now a 1ot has been.said ia the
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that we are taking food off the table for these people, those
who will bave to pay the additional sales tax now to support
mass transit in their area. I would remind you that for the
past 6 years folks in such places as R'ed 0ak and Pecatonica
and Bone Gap and throughout the whole Staee of Illinois have
been paying sales tax money that has been used for mass transit
ia that Northeastern part of the state. I've always felt
this is extremely unfair, to be taking sales tax money from
throughout the State of Illlnois for such a narrow purpose
as this. And I think that's one of the good leatures about
Senate Bill 889, the fact that we are disconttnuing this
practice. And then we also have the practfce whereby we
took 14 dollars of every license plate that was sold in the
City of Chicago and we diverted it from the state coffer
and ve used that 14 dollars for the support of mass transit.
WhaL lt me<ns fsy that ff you lfve fn Chlcago and You drive. . . - . j
1a Volkswagen and you pay an 18 dollar license tag, 14 of that l :
stays in that area for the support of mass transit. So youl
are contributing the magnificent sum of 4 dollars of your
license plate money for the support of the state road fund.
I have never felt this is right. I think that this is a feature
of the o1d original legislation that cried out for reform.
I also never understood why we gave authority to Lhe R.T.A.
to levy a 5 percent gas tax in tbat..-fn tbat mass transtt
area. In other words, why should the automobile owner be' .' L . . . ' ' . .
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new monies that are needed for b0th mass t'ransft and for a
road program in this state. So when we look at the bottom lfne
on Senate Bill 889, unlike many of you I belfeve it's good
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legislationu..l ''thfpk wèlwre.deing a number of thïngs.fnvthfs '. .: . . .. . . - x . . , .
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one of the 107, who wfll gfve aa 'aye? vote here fn just
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Speaker Redmond: ''Representatfve Pferce.î'
. Pferce: ''Mr. speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, lt's very
very difffcult to vote for legfslatfon thae facreasea taxes.
I intend to gote for thfs package today and this legislàtion
' because of my deep feelfng that the future of transportation
fn the Unfted States for the balance of this century must
fnclude a vlable publfa transportation system. If we prefer f
' to drfve our large cars we so have that rlght we still have#
the rfght to go buy gasolfne for $1.10 a gallon or whatever'
le will not be able jït goea to. But many people, many peopto afford to drive their cars and park their cars and continue
lon'and work. And these are primarily lower and middle income
people, students and the elderly. And in order to provide
-- ' tra'n'sportation' ' f o'r thela we' ' m'ust'' have a viable uass trans i.t m - '' l ' - . .system, public transportatton systen. I'vezneverwbeeav'ashamed
; to explain to the voters in Lake County that I voted for
R.T.A., tbat I support R.T.A., that 1 even ride R.T.A., that
1 even leave my car home wost of the time and take R.T.A.
when I can, including when I have to transfer. I think many
of us are going to have to learn to do this. We're moving
1 Eoycott bas us where it 1co a different world. The Arab oi
hurts. We're gotng to have to realize that public transportation
,- . :. = .. . . .ia. & pa.rpEer of bighway transportation and the two must be
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works it helps the lower and 'middle income people in our
country. Now the sales tax on food and medicine is, in
my opinion: extremely regressive. For that reason the Democrat
. . Task Force that I chaired drafted legislatioa, it Passed
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yeare entirely the sales tax on food and medicine. We can
afford it, we have a budget surplus in this state of more
than half a billion dollars, over 500 million dollars, in
' yfaet it s over 600 million dollars and with the 100 million
we need to keep in the Treasury according to the Covernor
still leaves us a surplus of over half a billion. We have the
. money to override the Covernor''s Veto of the sales tax
exemption for food and =edicine. Wefll be back here on
October 3 to do that. Today we have the opportunity of keeptng1
the R.T.A. alive, of keeping public transportation alive.
Unfortunately we have Members ia this House who have almost -
a hysteric opposition to public transportation. When they
campaigned agaiast it originally they told tbe suburban voters
that publfc transportation would allow fntracfty people to
come out here and get jobs and maybe even move out to the
suburbs Yes, they used raèial fears aad racial prejùdizce to. ? . . . x . . . .
' f f 11 assed. I ;'fight R.T.A. fn the suburbs when ft or g na y p
supported R.T.A. at that time I support it now. The hysterical
opponents of R.T.A. and public transportation have lost their
credabllley entirely. That doesn'r mean that the R.T.A.
has been well run. The R.T.A. in many ways has been poorly
run...the C.T.A. the same way. We hope our colleagues from
Chicago wi1l lnproye the C.T.A. and lts' 'Patronage praetices
aad its wasteful money. Every day when I leave the I.B.M.
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. to have their lunch. Andyl. believe me, every day a large '
' limousine with the R.T.A. license plate pulls into Marina City
and takes those officials to lunch. That's wrong. That's
. .. . . . ' ' . why I vdted f or thë/'Ailèadmél'it - f ö' audit the R.T.A. .' .' The R.T .A. . .
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audited on a continuing basfs. But despite it's faults, s
despfte fts flaws. and there are many, we need public transportatf n
we have to live with public transportation the rest:of our
political lives and so our children the rest of their lives
and for tbat reason 1 intend to vote 'aye' for thts package
and hope that ft wJbks because we need it-''
speaker Redmond: ''Representative Bluthardt.'' - '
Bluthardt; ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. First,
I#d like to preface my remarks by saying the chief Co-sponsor (1
who first spoke, in my opinfon, has a strange idea of what
. fairness is and I can more readily understand how we got the l
1970 Constitution with him as a delegate. To the second
speaker I'd lfke to say this, that noe a11 of us who oppose Il
' jthis Bill oppose the R.T.A. I was one of the Members of i1
this House kho voted to create the R.T.A. back, what, 6, 7$
' ' I t out and I openly campaigned for it even - - j-'years ago. wend ;lthough my communlty ïn ay area voted against it. I appeared f!
. Ipublicly in behalf of it. I think I've supported every
. )Bill and every Amendment that would strengthen and improve
lthe R.T.A., I thfnk I opposed every Amendment Lhat Skinner
offered to dismantel the R.T.A. So my feeling is, yes that
we do need mass transportation, not only the six collar.o.six
collar county areas affected by the R.T.A. but the entire .istate needs mass transportatlon subsidfes- I- .what I'm concerned
about here and I think 1' can prove it, is that there is no
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' medicine from that tax. And I'm sure they don't have the
' ffgure because they never, never intended to reuove the
sales tax from food and medicine. So ft's purely a charade. . . . . - .
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' ' we ought to give the poor and the elderly, thoseionrêfixed incomes ' ' '
some relief in the vay of removlng the salés tax from féod aad
medicine and I certainly intend to vote for that veto override.
But the point is though that they never did. Part of t:is
package ïs not to override tbe Covernor's Veto but to keep the
poor paying that sales tax on their food and on theirumedicine,
and that's unfortunate. I thfnk ttfs also unfortunate that
you wlll take 147 million dollars from the 'people of suburbaa
Cook County to substdfze Oass transportation. That ls a
substitute for'the preseat 29.7 million dollars they. are . . -. I
pay'ing mzder the gaéoline tax. If you call that fairs then -
I say you hâve a =ïghty strange fdea of what fafrness fs.
I would urge you to v'ote against this Bi11J'
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Katz.''
lKatz: ''Mr. Speaker and'.Ladies and Gentlemen of the House: I have heard
some flistinguished Merrtbers of thfs House get lzp. and def erldii
here the substance of Senate Bfll 889. I have noe heard anyone
and I defy anyone to get up and to justify the abominable
procedures that have been follow/d fn bringing tbis up to the1
pöint where we are today. We àre in the process of passing
a Bi11 that wi11 ,have enorùous effects in Cook County... 5;No1e
businesày lfke the automobfle dealer busfnessy )wfl1 bel1drasttcally effeated, people wiLh mfllions of dollars ia
investments. Poor people in chicago will be paying a sàles
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new. law. And when it gets to the Senate we will see and you
and I knov the answery that there will stfll not be an
opportunity for a single person to be heard on the merits or
. ' . . . . ' ' . . - - . . ..demerits '. YJ thi: Bille . k. Y-xeceivedc A-belegram. > é.S I 'l.M ' s!!<@c..1 F '.- '.n . '.' .' . . . . - . . . .C . : . .. . X Gm - s . . . . . - . .v
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General Assembly back into Session for Wednesday. September N
5, Noon, to cbnsider transportatfon. Do you realfze that-l
am here and cannot putiin a Bill? I tried to put in a Bill '
that's on the Calendar as House B11l 1 to try to deal simply '
with what they allege is the emergency. The only emergency
that I've heard anything about that canît wait until Gctober 3
is the one about the loss of 70 millfon dollars In federal
funds. Well, House Bill 1, that ts on your Calendar, put '
fn by Representatfve Creiman and 1, would take care of that.
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funds and it woùld give us an ample time to have a hearing.
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soldiers to play parts assigned to us. Great figures in 1Illinolsy Governors and Mayors have gotten together and decided
what this ought to be...' So .accordingly. why should we bother'' ' ' b b1e 'to' u' t in -Bi11s' 7 Why sbou' ld Q' e botbe: to 'be able - '' - '-' 'to e a p
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to have hearfngsr It is true, of course: that the Illinois
Constitution in Section VII of the Constitution of the Judicial...
of the legislative artïcle says that our Committees shall give
reasonable public notice of meetings. Do you realize that'
on sfmple little Bills that ihvolve a pittance or nothing
we give six and a half days notice and invite people to come
in and to be heard? Do you realize that on this Bill that
effects the futures and the lfves of millions of people in
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taken care of- wïth the passage of that Billy that little
Bill. House Bill 1 that sits down there. Of course, you understaa
that in issuinz the càll for this Session, this Special' .) . 1 *. '' ' ' -
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Bills. H é'lilited this to Senate Bill 889 and Senate Bill
890. And the only appropriation Bill that he put in was a '
Bill involving the Pension Law's Comma'ssion. Càn youlimagine
' that? Qhe Pension Law's Commissiony a Conference Co=msttee
fs sitting out near Pinkas //7 out in the stratosphere. They
have a Bill ïnvolving the' Pension Law's Commission.and that
Bill, that Conference Committee, is coming back in with a
complete revïsion of transportatfon approprfatfoas fn Illïnois.
'You won't have a chance to voee on that ether than 'yes' or
'no '. You von't be able to vote any item up or down.' You ïlIwill not be able to impose, to put an Amendment on it. You !
w111 not be able to deal with the transportation situation1because tbat Conference Commlttee is the only one. that has the j1power to pass an appropriatloa Bill at this limited Session. 1
1 do not begrudge the Governor's role às Governor in Illinois
but 1 do really object to the issuing of calls of the kind thatbring us here. If the Governor wants us to consider transportatioa' ê
lin Illinois it should be an open Session. Any Member of this tBody should be able to propose Bills dealing with that
problem. But by the very restkicted way in which this eall was '
issued, limiting it to 3 Senate Bills, 1 of whfch dealfng
wtt: approprsatton ls.out'ln ltmbo and we'zl onzy be abze, aoe .
Lo amend ft but only vote ft up or doen, We are really fn the Ii
posftion llke lfttle chfldren. We can only vote 'yes: or 'n o' j
on thfs wbole package. That fs a mistakea .that is unfair and
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' what has taken place ïs that by a combinatioh of tremendous '
political power the voice of reason cannot be heard. Legislators
cannot put in Bills, no.'one is in the mood for compromlse.
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that ehfs fs uncenstltutfonal my constftuents wi11 be paylng
a 1 percent sales tax from this point on. And we .will have
had raxmed to us by powerful,political forces a package that
we have not had a fair opportunity to be heard on. It is
one thfng to have a fafr fight and to lose that fight. That
is the risk you take ia a Democratic socfety. But ft is another
thing to have something rnmmed down your throatjwithout a. . ' . .. .. .
fair opportunity to be heard. Without an opportunity to introduce
Bills, tb have wftnesses come fn who want to present thefr
vfews orz this package aad'that, my friends, fs the >xay thts
should have been done. And believe mey that the Democrattc
process is not solely a question of ethics. It is also a- j
question of getting tbe best'package possible. It may be
that if we had been willing to hold hearings, if the Governor
had had a call that permitted hearings, the pebple would have
come in that had somethfng to say. You knowy we don't have
a monopoly on the brilliance fnptne State of Illinols. People ,
might have come ïn our Committees and taken apart this package
and made suggeations that even the Covernor and the Mayor would
have thought had merit. They light have improved that package.
But because this has been done fn such a high-handed manner,
not permftting any 'reasonable opportunity for Eegislators
to innovate or particfpate, we have lost the opportunity toi
give the people of Illin uis the chance to be heard and to !
benef it f rom thefr kisdtm , which fn maay instances is greater
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agreed upon. I obl-ect to that. I think the procedure is
abomfnable. the package should be better and 1 would urge
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Conti: NYesy Mr. speaker aad Ladies and Gentlemen of the House: like . '
the two prevfous speakers/l'rlm not lfke most of the collar
counties and my colleagues out to dismante'l the R.T.A.. neither '
. am I agafnst the Yoad program. In fact, fn a few minutes
we'll be passfng thfs Bfll here today only because the
proposition was not'divided. Oaly because'the road program
for downstate fs on this package and that's the reason why
thls proposal is'gofng to be passed. But 1et me tell my
dounstate friendsy b0th 'Democrats and Republicans: I was here 1
in the 71st General Assembly and you webe promised roads and
y0u never got them. 1 was here in the 72nd General Assemblfand yQu kere 'Pr/mised rgads and you never gOt them. I left
' here in the 73rd Generàl Assembly and you wer e promised roads
then and you'never got them. And for the last 20 years youl
were promised roads and you never got'them. But 'tbfs greàt
cealilzon propcsal. ft a11 depends on wbo youVre talking to.
if you/re talktng to a Republican it's a Byrne - Thompson
proposal. if youfre talkfng to a Democrat ft'all of a sudden. l
becomes a Thompson - Byrne proposal. And I J'ust hope that .
you doEeastaters who are helping put this R.T.A. package together
are not going to be disappoldtedlnext year because we can
live with the 245 oillion dol1ars...49 million dollar appropriatioa
for roads and bridges, we cannot live with the mueh greater j
amount of 352 mlllion dollars that is earmarked for the Regional
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grants. It eliminates the A.T.A. authorfty to levy a parking
tax. It elimfnates the R.T.A. authority to levy up to a 5 percent
gas tax. The taxes that are being elfmïnated will be consolidated.
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5 percent in the collar counties. The new tax is not needed.
Although the cbalition plan became avaflable only- a few
' hours before the Special Sessions Republican Legislators offered
a number of alternate plans. Many of these provided even
better finaùcfal support to the R.T.A. than does the Governor's
' plan. None of tbem required aay new taxes. The transportation '
. ' package will be enforced to continue the exploitation of suburban
Cook County through the R.T.A. The package requires tax
proceeds to be spent on servfces benefitfag the county in which
taxes are cotlected. For the collar counties this provides !
some protection but for suburban Cook County it means the
continued funding of the admale..administrative operations
of the Chicago Transit Autborityk, Since this package will jbe identified with a Republican Covernor it will be Republican
legislative candidates that will take it on the chin in
next years election. Thisxproposftion comes from two peoplel
' that do aot ' hav.e to face tha elector attù for aclotluer 3 years , II :.Mayor Byrne and Jim Thompson. The difference fn that election f
may well be between a Republican Majotity and a Republican
Minority in the 82nd General Assembly. Although it is true
thatqall suburban Representatives oppose tbe transportation
package, the election results followlng the enactment of the
state income tax clearly demonstrated that the voters do1
not distinguish between the party symbol and the voting records l
of legislative dissidence. The current surplus in the state. - * - . ' . .
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repayment has been extended by another 5 years. This is
September 9 1979 and 20 years from now. Ladies and Gentlemen:
- . .. . . ..- that. packagew... that money W 11 never '.be ' returned. - For those. . .. . .. . .. .. . . .: - -L--e.s z .. , - .t .. . - . . - - .. - .. . . .. - .(i x' . ... - x.y . .- . ?-l -.uu.-.-.- . - . . ..pu.. -...,' u-----va.g .. -w..z.o.= x-cuo.-.r.E.-3'' u;t z:. c .
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the package provides the R.T.A. with l80 mtllion dollars more .
fn bonds. The provisions adding 4 more Kezbers to the R.T.A.
board will not help either the suburbs or the Republicaa
Party.. A larger membership merely diffuses responsibilities
for board decisions and makes it easier'to co-op a non-chicago
' Kember. Finally, theisugarplum that was tossed into the
' ' ' transpoktatïon pa'èkag' e 'wlziclz requfres 'an annual audft of the '-. >
R.T.A. znd that's a joke'. If itrisn't a J-oke. ask your
Auditor General. It''s not the R.T.A. that we want examined,' x j
. ;fe's the C.T.A. thatzis , : dralnfng the R.T.A. Thfs-..these audlbs
' j, *111 to show what we already knowy that the R.T.A. is grossly
mismanaged. àccording to the lawy since the R.T.A. uas created
ïn 1973 it should have been korkfng towards the goal of
establisbfng a comprehensive system of public' transportation
to serve the'entAhre six county region. Instead, the R.T.A.
has been engaged almost exclusively in divising ways to dump - -
more money on the C.T.A. and to get around any new C.T.A. fare
increasesw C.T.A. =ismanagements were one' of the main reasons
for the creation of the R.T.A. but the R.T.A. has done aothing to
end or reduce this mismanagement. Let's look at four examples
of ho> the C.T.A. has been lfvfng off of our money. The
average salary has been mentioned several times'in theelast
few days...of a C.T.A. employee is 27,143 dollars. The C.T.A. llntends to g'ive iis employees an 11 percent pay increase this
' year. The President's Council on Wage recomgen. ded a 7 percent. . . . .. . . - . k . . r. m ! .. 1 < nzqz;. Cw .;.)=? ;..-.js.. . f .uj -. -1 . * 1 . .*-..'* .m L ' : < c!. . - ' - - -
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75.' employees provfdes for a quarterly cost of living adjustment.
It's the only public agency to have a coatract of this kind.
The difference between the quarterly contract and the standard
. ' . . . . J Jmnlval cpatr-'a- ct i. 15 millipn dollyrg . to -. thez, taxpakers . .- The .* .=- . - .. - u. . ck ) Jaa -. * : yk -. . . n -- .. . .. . --- -c..-..:..r-..... . . ul -. ?: 1j tssarlc-l.cz aa.u.--s-rr ir . ... .-z . -. -. : ... uus. . ... - .. :t. . .T... , .z7-t-. e.. . - .- . ... . k -..-' - ' unfoa contract prohibits use of part-tfme bus drivers. Although ' . ' '
bus schedules are such tbat many bus drivers sit out as much
as half of their shift. Part-time drivers would save the C.T.A.
and the taxpayerè about 30 mïllfon dollars a year. If the
R.T.A. had been seriouè about its public responsibilities over
the last 6 years they would have taken very' lfttle effort
. to preveat the kind of use.of public funds that have 'just
been described. The money that could have been saved so easily,
and still can be, amounts to about 100 mfllfon dollars a year
Ior one-half of the expected take from the proposed regional 1
l. sales tax dùring this first year. We have only scratched the. j
' surface of the R.T.A. and C.T.A. mismanagement and 1, like
lleague Dan Pferce hope that this Centleman that wasmy co ,
picked to head the C.T.A. with impecable integrfty, Gene Barnes
will probably straighten that out. I am in hopes..ethatfs my
only lfght and hope that he will do it. The regional sales tax I
' is unf air in a %'M-' rtt '.reqùirizé' suk Urbaa taxpayers t; ; Pay tax es - - - '>
for servlces whfch they cannot see in the forseeable future.
That is why ft's so objectional and so painful. Equally painfull
is our certainty that this tax is totally unneededs that the
funding can be provided through other sources without new
taxes. And that.the talk abouè R.T.A. deficfts would be non-
existent if the R.T.A. and the C.T.A. were not running the
way that makes them perennial parasites for suburban money.
Now the City of Chicago had a great leader. Yesy he was a great
. - . . leadqr apd >1 think helll go down in history as-onm of.the greatest. r . . . ..l . . . . . - = . . . . . - . l -.7: '-U r
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. how we voted so that she can come into our dfstricts and work
inst us if we don't vote for her package that was bypassingaga
the legislative process. Welly Mayor Byrnes, I have 187
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. - . ' .' precincts in the City ofwchicago. . You donlt-have to come out . -. .
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I would like to meet this great new messiah. I know thfs Bill .
fs gofng to pass. I knov it's golng to pass only because the '
' f ult aay of my downstateroad program is on ft. And I doa t a
colleagues. If I were fn thefr shoes I*d have to go back after
20 years or belng promised roads, I'd w'ant to go back kith
souethïng fn =y hand at the next election and say, 'look.
. - . we didn't gixe yountax xq.lief-, we didngt give you gnythfng bu&. ' . . - . - .. . . Q
at least we're gotng to get 600 tons of concrete downstate
t and it's not dry. Don't 'couùt'too much on ft.'' 'Se
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Bowmano'' 1
Bowman: ''Thank you, èlr. Speaker. Well, Eadies 'and Gentlemen of the
House, welve a11 heard about the big lie. We a11 knok what )the big l1e is. kell there's a corollary to the big 1ie and
ltllqt 1 s the--b. i-g. -b-qnpxe .-.-Th. e. -b.i..g .bqnezg is if you do something !
I .stupid enough and outrageous enough somebodyy everybody in If
lfact, will assume that you had a higher motive in doing it.
That's exactly what the Byrne - Thompson tax increase is.
The Byrne - Thompson tax fncrease fs a bfg boner. lfhy dfd
the Mayor ge for something like this? Welly in my opinioa
the reason she did is that she wanted some money for some
city streets and some money for some snos; renoval equipmeat land I think thatls very laudfble. I lfved through that last
winter Jùst barely and I would happy to vote for that kind of-0 -. - !.. t. x r- , . . . ... cct . .. rlk-snt.-- - .( =. .unz. . . . v =.u- - : . : - . - -. . . . . . ' . yj . r j. (y e '. j. s-. -!: o o h i gh k -!.71 at :( s t h e . ' *j - ** -L'IZ Y- . -- ' . ... . . .
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the newspapers and even ff theyFre not watchfng ft on televfsioa
they know. And they will know that this is a boner. I'm
not going to repeat the details of what I had on .the chart
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Downstate. downstate gets the largest road program in the
statels hietorkbwith no new taxes and in spite of the fact thatthe road fund has been z-n chronic difficulty for a number of
years. What do we get fn the metropolitan area? We get
nev taxesu'nev fare fncreaàes and c'ontin'uz-ng deficits. Nova
there is an z-mbalance there that is going to occur to some
people. They may not be able to ftaure out exactly how tNe . .
'Rude Goldgerg Akchine' works but they can see when their
s' downstate brothers are getting somethfng for nothing and theyArel
getting nothing for something that there is a problem and they're '. j
' Ibex-ng had/' Thfs fs a boner, Ladïes and centlemen. it is I
a big boner. So if you don't want to get burned, vote against. . t
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Daaiels: îsir. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House: J'ust a
few moments Just to cover with you some of the problems
that we have discussgd with mny of you individually up
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maay of you assfsted us in the closfng moments of the Sess on
in June in an effort to stop at that tfme aa ill-conceive
plan of transportation. We were: indeed gratified tè have he
' assistance of many of you from the down-state area whea
we were talking about the road program. And yes, indeed.
as we've gone through the road program we, too, have beea
. ve ry ve ry plr-p ud and Ve.ry g lad vt o. -he tp . y ou.. r e c e ive--s-ome . -- ..
earmarked f unds whiclz this new compromis e tells us has
g i v en t o y o u a s a r e s u 1 t o f o u r n e g o t i a t 1. ons i n a sk i n g th eI
Governoz co earmark some raad funds for down-state since '
it was after our meeting with the Governor that these fun s
were earmarked. And yes, uefre happy that ve szere able t
help you receive many new arrangements through the new
alleged compromise which we could call the grandson of
Thompson-Byrne. It is Vndeed through legislative compro-
mtse that we are able to enact lavs to benefit the people.
of the State of Illinois. And it is in that spirit that >
we have brought many of our proposals, the suburban collaIcounties, the suburban Cook County proposals, to your at-
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tention. Three in number, three separate times, three
alternatives to what we consider to be an onerous tax
new tax: 20@/0 tax increase, on the citizens of the nortbera
part of Illinois and particularly in the city of Chicago
and suburban Cook County. In looking at the compromise
that we have been told is the compromise that we should
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Is the loss of a state' subsidyyaa loss of 3/32ndVs of the .
sales tax for the use by the .RTA. a compromise? I think
. ' not. Is the pitting against each other of various parts o
the state, down-state vs. up-state, and now the real area
the suburban Cook County area: which is really the area
t 11 X t ' S b e i n g t a k e ft a d V a n t a g e O f , i S t h a t a C O m P r O mi s e ?
- . -. - I t hj. nk n o't:L '-' - .y'o+'=L a'dri e s 'h nd ' G en t'l'e' 'm'ê n'' 'o' f tli'e- Ho us è - po s - '
sibly the most regretful action of a11 of this is the 1on
term effect that it's going to have on the people of t hi
state through its legislative process and the fear that
those of us from the collar county area and the suburban
Cook County areas will have at any time the covernor Of
the State of Illinois and the Mayor of Chicago get togetherl. Ithe net result will be those of us from the collar counti.es
and suburban Cook County areas will be taken advantage of
as we are in tbis plan. So to briag my comments to a - 'J
close, I first want to thank al1 of youy each and every
Member of tbis House, for the attentfon that you have
paid to the transportation package. And to thank each
'' and 'every on@ of you for the time that you have given us
when we presented the three alternative programs that we
worked out in an effort to reach indeed and truly a real
compromise for the people of the State of Illinois, aa
effort that would not pit one part of the state against
yanother, that would not have the state remove itself fro .' ''. .
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plans and the colleagues on this side of the aisle that
have worked so hard: Jack Davis, Jenny Macdonald, Elmer
' . . . C on t i . . I wa'n t - t o f h ank': .vq u f o r t he t ime y ou 'M e M iven us . . . -
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was the fight that we felt was right and just for the .
people of northern Illinois and the state. Our proposals
were a11 positive in nature. We can only say to you as th
vote is cast that we will continue to work in that vien
and to do our best fot the people of the State of Illinoi ,
but lfke any other fight we a11 learn: we a11 become rfch r
. in our experiences and we a11 remember an'd we'want 'to .tha k
you for the learning experience that you're giving us .
today and we want to thank the Governor and the Mayor for
their compromise which we don't think is a compromise.'î
Speaker Redmond: Representative Kane. -l
Kane: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House: we have
in front of us a transportation program that is made up o
two parts. The first part is a highway program that is
largely funded by the issuance of additional bonds and
wedve already talked about that part of the program. . ->
Tbe other part of the program is a mass transit program
that is funded largely by the imposition of additional
sdles taxes in the Cook County and metropolitaa region.
And one thing I think that has lead to a 1oL of the dis-
illusionment by people and taxpayers in this state and in
other states is the difference or the feeling that they
doa't .. Lhat there is no relationship betrzeen the taxes
that they pay and the services that they receive. And I
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that is only going to increase the disillusioneent of
taxpayers with thdakinds of services that they are recetv ng
- because they see absolutely no relationship between the
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' is flawed. But I would speak to my fellow down-staters. .
We've been told that this a good program for down-state.
i b t ld t'hat we're going to get a bighway programwe ve een o
and welre not going to pay for it. Welly I question that
Because we are going to pay for it. We#re going to pay
for it when we pay our share of the taxes to pay back the
bonds that vefre only going to get a third çf. But even
granting that down-state is going to get more highways
than down-state is going to pay for in the short runy I wo ld. . . .. !#ask and I would urge each one of you from down-state to
think about what the implications of that is for the
future > because down-state is a minority in the General
Assembly and after the next reapportionment down-state is
going to be an even smaller miaority. Wegre going to 1os
maybe one legislative district, maybe two, maybe three.
to the suburban and to the metropolitan area because' *' ''- =Q =TV=- ' - 'e'M -' - 'e *'* * ' - ' ' '' *e' '.I. .m r w= =-= = . '=% = N - - e-
;1thatfs where the population is moving. And right now
we are imposing six cents sales tax on at least half of t e
population of the state and on at least half of the Membe s. j
of this General Aseembly. It's not a tax that we would
vote for if we were voting for it on our own constituents.
It's not a tax that we would vote for to support mass tra s-
portation in our o:m distticts. And what's going to happen
t<o years from now when there are other needs in this sta e
and there may be additfonal needs for revenue? A1l of the
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on tbe collar counties. 0ur protection down-state now
and in the' future is only in tre'ating this state as a
- whole, not in making the regional differences more abrupt
. not in mqking the emotions different, nqt in treatingtone ...
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' . .the'state. And down-state can only be losers. We can .
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only be losers and our people can only be losers 11 , we in
. crease the regional differences in this statei because we
are going to be a permanent minority. I've been told by
' a 1ot of my friends in my district: people who have sup-
ported me in the past that they need this highway program
that they need the jobs, that we need our road repaired
and that we need this program for transportation. And
I've been told that this is the only game in town and thaI
i f we don' t get thi &.. particular trans po r ta t ion pro gr am > we # re
not going to get anything. And I would say that thmt argument
is not true. It just doesn't hold water because Illinois
is going to have a transportation program. Illinois is
gôing to have a highway program. The state needs it.
Chicago needs it. The economy of our state dictates it.
The program will be there and the J'obs will be there gnd . . - .- ..
the question before us right now ts not whether itfs this *
program or nothing. The question before us is whether we
settle for this program or we settle for a better programj
U h the'r wedre going to Vote for this program , or a prograw e
that does not pit one area of the state against anothery
whether weîre going to vote for this program or a program
that will cost taxpayers less and will result in more cona
crete than this program does. The question before us is
whether we#re going to vote for this program or a program
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. Darrov: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Centlemen.of the .
House, last evenlng'when the motion was put to take thls B111 off the
- table two down-state Democrats voted to.... against that '
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from Sangamon aéd I joined with the Minority in.supporti g c
most of those Amendments. I felt therefore that it would
be appropriate if 1 discussed this Bill at this time. Wh n'
I came down to Springffeld and before I left I vas a lfte e
' disheartened to hear bow labor and certain labor organiza . '
ttons were supporting this Bi11. This has a regressive
' it thai fôr y-e:àts the uhibns have bàen a'ga'in' t'sales tax in .
I#m happy to see that Doug Fraser and the leaders in I11i
nots from his union have not joined the other unions in
turning their backs on the poor, the il1 and the old. The
issue has arisen as to whether this legfslation will
scuttle the overrtde of the Bill repealin' g the sales tax
on food and mediclnes. If you look at the legislatïon and
the break down of this we will see that the state actuall
is 4 million zollars richer through this legislation. Th re
is now over 6 hundred million dollars in the state treas ryê
as a surplus. This will pass 19m sure and Governor Thomp oni
will then take to the streets and the T.V. telling us tha
w e q a nn o t a f f o r d th a t oxe r r i d e >. . t h a t th e- mo n ey j u s L -i s n o -. -' there because of thfs transporeatfon package. And I uane
you Members of the press to realize that I'm telling you
now and wefre telling you in the past the money is there
aud the money will be Lhere for the override regardless
of whàt Governor Thompson says. This is not going to
' sabotage that program. I have discussed. this matter N ftb-- .. u w 7 û r
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uhen we stt here and we look at this matter and we count
. v rter times we have' the votes and we ve counted them time a
' - ' b' zi ab l.p 't..p pa k e ' i n' y c 1z a' n' g e s . . .u e h av e - h a- d 4 0 .. t o 5 0 - - .- '
piththis legislation. I think changes should be made. I .. . . . 't
think in the long run many of us will regret it. but I'm .
' ' also a realist. This program is 'the best program for '
down-state aad at this time 1'11 bave to break with my
. Gentleman friend from Sangamon and support the program.
Thank you.''
' Speaker Redmdnd: ''Representative Davis. ' -- ' ' ''
Davis: ''We11, thank you, Mr. Speaker. It wasn't a very good
day yesterday for the collar countiesy suburban Legislato s,
and when I rose this morning I realized tn my sleepines
at 7:00 o'clock that tt was my birthday. And I thought,
geey what a wonderful birthday present I'a goiag to get
today if things continue along the same track tha t they 1are . I was also reminded o f that by my wif e who had sent
a l o n g tw o p r e s e n t s . O p e ne d o n e f i r s t . I o p e n e d t t an d
' i b t t f u1- swe a t e 'r arfd 'a'' I-i' t't l e n-ii'te' ' ' ' 1 f - -- - -' ' ' '-'' -t w a s a e au , y o u;.
had a good day todayy things are going well for the tax- !
p ay e r s o f t h e S t a t e o f I 11f no.f s an d f o r t h e s ub u rb a n and
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' a beautiful sweater. She thoughtfully included another
package whlch I opened and ït was a carton of preperation
11 and two large cans of vasoline. And you can imagine tb
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floor. We were called funny money artists, but the pro-
grams were there and God bless the down-staters who stood
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defecting today and voting for a road program. Theydve
been corrupted and blackmailed and cajoled and wheedled-
to the point where theylre not going to get any roads un-
less they vote for thls. So I canlt blame thea and I bea
tbem no i11 grudge. My grudges are born in other dir.ecti ns
I suppose, particularly on the food and medicine. The'me -
dacity and the duplicity thatls been witnessed in this
chamber in the last 24 hourss fs just absolutely incredib e.
And Representative Darrow, don't believe for a momene tha
the deal hasn't been cut tG withhold the veto override on
food and medicine in the fall because that's exactly what s
going to happen. I won't take up any more of your time.
I'd just like to close with a small paraphrase of a praye:
that I remembered: 0ur Governor and Mayor who art in
Chicago and Springfieldy give us this day our daily road
and forgive us our oppositiony as we try to forgtve those
who gave us the sales tax. Hallowed be thy name, thy r1
kingdom comey thy RTA will be done. Lead us not into
taxationy but deliver us from that taxationy for thine
' is the sates tax and the fare increase and the RTA foreve
Amen H
Speaker Redmond: nRepresentative Preston.l'
Preston'. ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. Ue've
heard ample debate on this Bill. We heard pobate yes-
terday when we considered the motion to take this matter
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Johnson now, would I be right in suspecting you on pre- '
vious question? It's premature is what I'm trying to sa .
You want to talk? 0k. Representative Johnson.''
Johnson: OAs long as we have a coupl'e of minutes. Representat've :
' Kane spoke from one side of the down-state perspective.
Let me speak for just a minute from the other side of the
down-state perspective. Over.the last few. months I think -
like most down-state Legislators, I talked to a variety o
people in our district and variety of people in down-stat .lIIllinois and they aaid a number of things and I think this
Bill answers a11 of those things. They said they weren'
too excited about the possibilfty of a gas tax increase.
I think there's some question about that. This Bill does 't
have a gas tax increase. They said they wanted to stop
the indirect state subsidy of the RTA. This stops the
state subsidy of the RTA. Most importantly theU talk about. -- .- . w e.-. - . ... . '-. ... -**-.''-'-'-
9stopping the road diversions. And we#re doing this in th's
Btll over a four year period. They fre concerned and par-
ticularly concerned in central Illinois and in southern
' Illinois about local roads and local bridges and this Bil .
is very generous in terms of the 15 million dollars for
local bridges and the 45 million dollars for local roads.
They talk about coaLrol of the RTA énd making it accountab'le
and weîre dotng that here by providing Eor an annual audi ing
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. thi s program now, it's going to cost us 2 or 3 times. ... . ... . . : ' . ' . . - . ...
, the amount of money down the road to fix the roads, not
only in terms of dollarsy 'but in terms of human cost, in
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condition of the ro ad , in terms of repairs to our automo- '
biles and our trucks and so forth and generally in terms
of convenience. And they also talky and I think this is
. not an illegitimate concern, about the J'obs that are gene ated
by the road program and the jobs that would be lost if .
we don ' t pro ceed with this road program and this Bill
. . . . . an swe r s . th att-. . -Th is B i l l an swe r.s-. the-up ro'b.lem-wi-t h t h e . - :'-w ' . '
po ten tial loss of f ederal f unds . From a down-s tate Legi-
s lators pers pective , and I ' m looking at i t as I have
to f rom a down-s tate Legisaltors viewpoin t , I don # t know
how we could do any better and I certainly urge a11 down-
state Legislators and hopefully 107 Members of this House
to vote 'yes' on House Bill (sic) 889.'1
Speaker Redmond: f'Representative Steele. Representative Steel .t:
Steele: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of th
. .- - House..- I rise also to express my support for'Hous'e B'i-1-1-u-''- ''
. . Senate Bill 889. It may not be ideal for each of us in
al1 respects, but it ls the best program that weRve got
here to consider.today/ W' e've discussed. Welve .consLder d. .. v . .pu - - Q.
WeAve amended, for some four mohths now various road
programs and time is running out for our state and it's
time here today for action. I'd like to emphasize that a
major ingredient and a major element of thi s new road pro-
gram is the fact that sales tax on gasoline are going to
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legislative chambers. It's a very important ingredient
in this road program, whicb w111 redound to the benefit
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I think that we should support this program.p . .
' speaker Redmond: ''Representative Tuerk.'' '
. ç, z4 'Tuerk: Mr.I. Speakery. Members of the Housey durfng the past
. hours I've heard the terms inqquitable. unfatr aad many . -
other accusati6ns.along those lines'. And to some extent '
I understand what the people are saying because in my 6. ' . . . '' -'
'terms down here I've seen' and had the experience df votin '
on thousands of Bills: not all of which have been fair.
I can just recall one month ago today as a matter of fact
when we were al1 here debating and voting on what was
consfdered to be a good Bi11, namely the corporate Fer-
sonal property tax replacement. I didngt consider that
a fair Bill. There were many of us in this chamber that
didn't at that time. But tbe fact remains it passed and
it is now law. This Bill undoubtedly is not fair to ally
'no-r was tbe original RTA legislation fair to all, nor is
the down- s t at e t r ans i s t le gis la ti on f air to a 11 y nor is ..
the f ac t that I pay , and I repeat , I pay 5:. a hundred
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' I consider it thd Bill not totally repugmant' to me .to be
able to stand here in. éuppoet of Senate Bill 889 and' ' '
that's the way I intend to vote.' Thank you.''
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- = =- == .- . Stuffle: Yls: Mr. speaker and Members. I ve hesitated to
speak on thiss not beiag an expert on transportation. .'
Representative Conti talked about the fact that the roads
. . ' have been promised and promised and promised and he's rfg t.
' But I see in my area for the first time the beginning of
. a road program of roads that heve needed resu'rfaciag for .
20 yearv. The committment is there and I think the Legi-
slators in our dzstrict and others are goxng to see to it
that ftgs kept. I've only heard t<o other dovn-staeers
speak to this issue. 0ne for it and one agal'nst it. But
I will say this, people in the city of C-hicago on my side
of the aisle I'm very proud of. Representative Garmisa.
my seatmate, the Transportation Study Commission help put
together the basic ideas that went into this with few
modifications. We have a road program for down-state and
we ought to be proud of it as down-staters. It has in it
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. . 91books. We talk about fundlng schooly funding a formula,
that formula's been there for some time. It ought to be
' fuqded. Mauy- people zhavqws.aid thia.iq par.ticularly. a. - 'a.v .--.s'z
' program just to create jobs for the friends of us <ho
belong to organized labor. But I say this, the entire
economy of down-state Illinois is geared to roadsy is
geared to transportation. Jobs are essential to our economv
to create a situation where we can move products aad prod ce
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. . Illinofs. Teople have responded as never before except
possibly oa the issue of education.in down-state Illinois. . - . .. - . . . .
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and that we came toqether and put toqether a compromise ..'
' as I said, with the help of people like Represeutative
Garmisa. We responded to that need and I hope they wi1l
respond to us and cast an overwhelming 'aye? vcte for .
this Bill on behalf of down-state that has been waitiag
Representative Conti for too damn loag. Thank you.''
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Wolf: nThank you, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House. While
we have a few moments I'd like' to make a few observatfons
and I direct thfs specffically fn ehe main eo some of
my down-state colleagues: especially on this side of. the
aisle. I've sat and listened patiently to some of the
remarks and I'd like to make a few. Let me point out
first of a1l that the six northeastern Illinois counties
are approximately 2/3rd's of the stategs population. %ho e
- .six.counties up there.provide .the bulk of the sales tax-.. - -#
revenues that go into the general revenue fund and the in
come tax and during tbe 6 terms that I've been down here
. we lve. voted for and I hake supported maqy things thàf h'avel .
benefited down-state areas such as funding your teachers
retirement pension funds, even though the cfty of Chfcago
levies a tax for the bulk of tbeirs and other matters.
lAnd I do so Iglllfngly aùd have done so wllllngly and I renall
that Abraham Lincoln once said, 'If oneiNould only vote
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'.. thing like that of-coukae 'from the Mayor of Chicago, but' '
I don'e expect ft and vouldngt expect it from the admini-
stration on the second floor who has put my Leadership in
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'on between up-state a'nd down-state Republfeans. I woulsl
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just like to say that that it is my belief tbat we could
have avoided 'a sales tax. But this would have necessttat'e
and affected certain sound management reforms within the
CTA and by givlng the CTA the money up front we#re never
o 17 n g t o s e e t 1: e k 7.* n d s o f ' r e f o r m s t h a t b a ck.a 1 c s o u n d m a n a g e -&B
me n t wo u1d demand . S o j us t le t me a s s ure y ou down- s t a ter
that in the coming Sessions there will be many times that
I'm in this General Assembly that I will continue to sup-
p o r t p z: o g 'c am s ' t o h e lp d ow n . - s t a t e c o mmu n 1 'u' i t e s e v e n t t. o u h; h'
the area which I represent does not gatn any immediate
. benefits and I will continue to vote with you against
tax increases without ref/renda. And I'm a'ust sorry that
you were placed in a position today by the Governor and t.e
Mayor of the city of Chicago when you couldn't recipro-
t e ''c a .
speaker Redmond: ''Reprœsentative Birkinbine.'' Representative .
Leverenz, are you seeking recognition? 0hy pardon me.
Representative Birkinbine.''
. . . . . . - . . . . . r: -. .... . - - - .. Birkznb.iner-uThank -youy Mri-speaker.-l move' the prevlous que'st on. '
Speaker Redmond: ''I still think it's a little prematurey Repre
sentative Birkinbine. We've got a Problem with the Senat .
Representative Robbins.''
Robbins: ''Thank you. Ladies and Gentlemen of the Senate (sx'c)
we are .. we are one state and I'n considering this Bill 'i
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mentioned that this Bill does end the diversions. It .doe
give money for roads in a11 states and it does fund .
the mass transit authority which needs to be kept going
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' of this Bill, is the shape' of our.. the deplorable shape '
of our roads. The number of people that are driving these
mini cars that aren't really made to go over 30 miles ..
an hour and arengt safe to drive over 30.mi1es an hour oa. . . . :.
our roadsy the number of young people and older people
that this summer have lost théir lives or been put in an
a u to . . b e en p IJ t in the h o s p i ta1 .r iding mo to r.cy c1e s over . - - - -..
the Stabe of Illinois beeause directly because of the sta e
of our roads. Now, as you know I have voted for some of
the Amendments. There's some changes that I would like to
have seen made in this Bill, but if this is going to' be
the Bill so be it. But think first of a11 that it will
actually cost the people of the State of Illinois nothing
because if they don't spend it to keep up the roadsy they re
going to spend it to buy shock absorbers, paying for the
. . . .- . - c a r s .th a c go e s o f f . t h e ro ad and r un s. .i n t. o th.e -..d i t ch . and .-- - -..- '. -w-
the bridge ''buttment' and whether you realize it or not
the single car accident is one of the most numerous in
. . traffic fatalities. that we-have. So .1 think you should.- '. -
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program for better roads in Illinois, I voted for a pro-
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it's kind of hard to get a mechanic tov'work on your car, I
so maybe we can catch up with their back load after we ge
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93.l worked very closely with my colleagues on the.other side
there from aotually suburban Cook and from the collar
counties and 1 have on many occasions, I have tri'ed to
. . represent .tA Gasuburban viewpoint.even to Membexs pn .thz's - '.'. ' ' ... . ... . r . . . ... ' . .= = ' r u w.t 4 ** . . ' r *- '- . . ' v . ' . w.. ' o W Y ..y - . D . ' . .. .. . . .* - . .. D % - .-. . .7 xxz -.- . = = . .w à .. .- ...J-% . '. , .- - = J=-'J =. . ...zQ .%S...-... a . .. K..r=. '-'r. - - - .-- - ' . . '' '- - ' -'= ' . - . . -J - -œ - ..=r '.:n .'. ..x = .. - . s':t'd'e . - . We-m .asz'iell-'-e''lv), .- e--t rlf-ed u n s u c ce s s f u 11y >. b u t I b e 1':E e'k . -. - = . -. .. .
I owe an explanation to the many hundreds of people who .
have wrl'tten to me. -As Representative Katz had stateda
. . these people'had no opportunity, they had no opportunity
because we only had one B111 here that we had to work on.
It has been mentioned here and with the task force we
had put together from suburban Cook and from the collar
counties we had alternatime-œolutioas.. There are alterna '
tive solutions. 0n behalf of those people who wrote to
me and it's quite a stack that I have receiveds please do
not impose any new taxes on us. It's unfafr to us.for the
amount of services that we are to receive. The people
ia my area are for a viable mass transportatz'on progran..
We applaude the fact that actually our colleagues from
down-state are going to recefve the roads. I think z't's
long overdue. I think there are many areas in suburban
. . . Cook County that .is long overdue .for some road programs. -. ;We know that. We wzll help to try to get those roads, buy
not at the expense of a 20Z increase in sales tax in our
area, a sc/u increase in the collar countiess.and. the remvoval
of the half fare for senior citizens and for the students
a IOF. increase in the fares on top of a1l this. I just
don't feel this package that we have, the only package
we have to vote on, in all good conscz'ence on behalf oF-
my constz'tuents, in a11 of suburban Cook County and in th
collar counties that my colleagues and I have worked alon. . .. . r ... . . .... . - *' ''* *
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take this uader consideration tn your Subcocmittee the
. ' next time you meet. 1 must vote 'no' on this even though
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. the answer.. There are alternatives and I have to vote
# ' ' 11 -no . Thank you.
Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Neff.''. . . . . . - ' ' . + - . ' Q
Neff: XThank youy Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the .
House. Yes we have a Bill comfng up here that certafn' ly
I don't like a11 parts of it and I think everyone us sittAng
here, 177 Members, will find parts thev do aot like or . . . .
think it should be cahnged. And I can sympathize with soa
. o f t h e p e o p 1 e t h a t I t h i n k a r e m a y b e g e t t :7 n g h u r t m o r e t h a
t h e y s b o u .1 d o n t h i s 17 a r t i c t! la r B J..1.l6.-.' ' . 'B'? t': w e a l 1 h av e. t o .
1 i z e t h a t 1 t ' s a m u s t t h a t w e p u t s o m e k z.- n d o f a p a c k a g' e' ' 'r e a
through here to help finance our highways. Now the State
of Illinois has over 4 thousand miles of 18 foot pavementsyjlpavements that in bad condition, pavements that some of them
!we have been driving on for 40 and 50 years these pavem.ents
were byilt. So itîs a mustwe do-something .and .rT' -weniqn-'n
do something immediately it won'e be long untx'l in many #
of our areas we#re goi'ng to be drfvfng lfterally on grave!
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been abte to keep them patched up and they wil1 literall'y '--- -
be gravel that we'll drive on. You know that happened to
the State of Pennsylvania here last winter and spring.
That many of tbeir state roads were literally gravel and
that we will have the same thing here. Another thing that
we must look at here in the State of Illinois: we have over' ' . ' k- v .b '. - .-- tA. L- : -.. .- k r.- . . .
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support this legislation.''
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is, 'Shall this Bill pass?.' Who wants to closes anybodyr-
. Representati've Garmisa. Another former illustrious House L
u. Membera Senater 'Lemkef.l' '
Garmzsa: I wzll be very brlef, Mr. Speaker and Ladzes and ''
Gentlemen of the House. W. e have heard the arquments both . .
pro and con on thz's latest compromise of the transp'orta-. .
tion funding proposal. And I believe that the arguments
of those in opposxtzon havè been answered b0th fairly and
fully. They have been answered to my satisfaction and I
hope to the satisfaction of a 3/5thTs Majority of the Mem ers
of this Body. I would emphasize at this point that there
has been little or no disagreement suring this debate on
one thing and that is the needy the great needs for a so1 -
tion to the present funding crisis and without it we wi1
see our state and 1 ocal highwaysy our streets, our roads
crumble into decay and we will see deterioration.and cut
' backs in vital mass Lransit sdrvfces at the'very time-ohe' ' '-
our long range energy outlook dictates we should be up-
grading and supporting ever more efficient transportation
= . - : Tao-d e s ..'.t adi'e's' 'and centleae.n b f ' tlz e Hous q ' we-- all:..k..now.. 'Jr:-.' .'. -,' . ' ..
and do not disagree on this central fact and as responsib e
Representatives of the people who elected us we know we'
have got act. I grant that the proposed solution before
us is noL all things Lo a1l people. N1o compronise in an
issue of this sort ever iss but I do believe that the Ame d-
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' highway progra.m in cold storage? Can we afford to put ou
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would be the.height of irresponsibility. I would ask '
therefore for your favorable consideration on Senate Bill
8 8 9 . Th a n k y o u . ! ' . . . . -
Speaker Redmond: HThe question iss 'Shall this Bfl1. . . ' Let
me.. 1et me caution you that when this is over we sta'll
have work Lo do so doa't be mislead. The question isp 1'Shall this Bi11 pass?.' -Thoye. in favon vote 'aye#.-oppoa d
vote 'no'. Have a1l voted who wish? Representative
Winchester.'' 'I
Winchester: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In a way to explain my
vote and rkna way on a point of personal privilege. -
I asked to be the Sponsor of this Bill because I rruly
' believe in the road program and because of the publie
outcry 1'n my Legislative Dfstrict for new roads, partfcularly
wider roads and much safer roads than what we have now.
It was a tough issue and I think I've taken a 1ot of verb 1- - --
Jabuse. Most of it I understand and accept because I am
the Sponsor of the Bi11. I'm sorry that is has to turn ou
u in such .a wqycthat a rcertafn grovp of our Legiskarett'a'' arv - -' '
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State of Illinois told us tbat there were two big problem ;
' t h e b u s 1 n e s s ' . c- 1 i 'm a t à à n d t h e ' n e e d ' ' f o r t a x r e' . 1 i 'e' f ; 'f o r t- h e. ' . .7
individual taxpayer of Illinois. There are 3 words that
- - - . : can describe this Bill.that is presented here.. 0ne is- . ..,. r .. e ' t L Y J '
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that it's irresponsible to borrow money and to destroy th '' roa'd fund even more. A'f'ter this Session we know that wha> .
wefve done for the business climate is increase the incom
tax on business here in Illinois. We know what wefve .
' done for the individual taxpayers, at least for some of
them, those who live 'in Cook County, increased the sales
tax 1Fo. We are going inwthe opposite direction from the '
direction we should go. And one of the most preposterous
results of this is if you make $1.00 purchase in Lakei
county youlre going to have to come up with 41.05 and
%ç . I think a11 of as are gofng to have to send a lptter
to our Congressmen and ask them to introduce legislation'
to have the U.S. mint start printing up some kind of a
medium of exchange which is kç so that we can avoid the
problem of having either the businessmen swallow that kc/.
or the taxpaywrs haav. e .to pay Ahe 3/4*s cent-up there-.Thi . .
is something that is absolutely unworkable. It's going to #
destroy the business climate in northeastrn Illinois. It s
- . .- goiag to even further drive business'eaterprise factorie' -. . ' ' '' ''
and sales institutions out of the State of Illinois, out
of the city of Chicago. Xou al1 know that it's a bad Bi1
but you#re following the Leader. Youfre hoping that some-
:t wherey' either in the Senate or in the courts, this thing
will come to an end because it's bad for northeastern
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Harris: nThank you, Mr. Speaker, L'adies and Gentlemen of the
'. u x '' ' ' d t tu'i . ' 1 1 : z. . m .O US e. n my J u g eme n S IS an e XCe en P e Ce 0. .. .'
legiélation. Xe have several roads that have been on the
drawing Boardy so to speaky in southern Illinois for the' . ' . . . .... . ra -. .- x - c - -- :'=' 7 L. 5 ZJ ' . . ' '' ' ' '' ' '' '- '
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' p'iece of legislation. 'One exampley is a road from the .
. Herin energy area... 148 .to.13. This is nowaa must'. Itls .
in there. It's in the Bi11. I want to thank my colleague
' and my friends from the city of Chicago. I want to thank
al1 of those in northern Illinois who's helped southern
Illinois to make this, not only a' southern I'llinois Bill, -
but a Bill and a road program for the State of Illiois fo
a11 the peopley something that'll make us proud of , som -
thing that's going to make the State of Illinois have the
. best road program in this 'country. Thank yoa very much.f'
' Speaker Redmond: MRepresentative Friedrich.''
. I' drich: HMr. Speakery Members of the House, I think wefre 1Frze
a11 aware that there's som'e inequities in this Bill but '
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'Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Friedrich.îî
Frfedrich: H butfor years the people of my area in down-stat1
have lived wfth the fact that a 1ot of our license fees 4
are going to run the RTA. This gets us out from under it
Webve been irked by the fact that 3/32nd#s of the sales. '- .x
' ' - taX Of certain'careas did not go to 'help schoo'ls-an-d's'o-' '- --- '- . . . on
and we made up the difference. That was inequity we've
lived with for years. So T think that finally we#re gettt g
a r o u n d t o w h e r e w e ' r e g e t t i n g s o m e j u s t i c e d o v n t h e r e w h e e
w e d i d n ' t h a v e i t b e f o r e . N o w c e r t a i n 1 y y o u a 1 1 k n o w t h a
th e r o a d p r o g r am an d p a r t i c u la r ly t h i s p a r t w i t h r e g a r d t
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Speaker Redmond: Have all voted who wzsh?.. Representatzve
Skznner ' ' ' ' ' ' - '
Skinner: ''I shall continue to contend that a 20Fo sales tax in-- . - . ; ? - -. . - ... - - . . . . - - - . . . - ..- I = ( . a : > h- n 'û r- . !. @ . . ' z J. . . .. ... ..
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' that there are only two defections of those people' who . '
live in the six county area outside of the city of Chicag
- two defections. Well'you can look at them. -Theyfre over
in the right hand column. on the other handy 1. do repres at' a r t () f d o w n - s t a t e 3 c o u n t 1 e s a n d I ' a m v e r y 1A a p' p y t o h e aP > . -
Speakers from down-state using the agguments that I used
' agaznst passage of the Regional' Tran'sportatèon Authority
z'n 1974, the facts that there were diversions from the
state road fund going to the RTA that shouldn't have been
used to build roadsy the fact that there were diversions
from the general fund that should have been going to
senior citizens' property tax relief and to state aid edu
cation. What can one say? I think that the Governor
and the Democratic Majority here have managed to gafn con ro1
of the Legislature next year. I think they have knee capp d
the Republican party in suburban Cook County. I think the#
have made a Republican Governor extremely vulnerable in
virtually anything he wants to do in the future. I think
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to c'ongratulate you Gentlemen and Ladies for some of the
best strategic thinking and movement that I have seen sin e
I've been in the General Assembly.''
Speak er Redmond: HHave al1 voted who wlsh? %he Clerk wz'll tak
the record. 0n this question there's 1l0 'aye' and 65
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? Ay e 1 . 0 p p o s e d ê n o ' . T h e e a y e s ' h av e 1 t . T h e n o t f o a
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Madzgan: Mr. Speaker: dId you declare that this BI1l passed?
S p e a k e r R e d mo n d : ' ' Y e s . ' '
Madigan: ''With the extraordinary Majority7.''
Speaker Redmond: HYes.H
' . 11 11 'Madlgan : Thank you . .
S p e ak e r Re dmon d : '' We d i d t h a.t lo e f o r e v o u mo.v e d . to . r e c o.n s :urd' e r & . .w -..
the vote.. The House will be at ease for 5 minutes tfll
we get the message from the Senate. If there are.. the
p o s s i b a' . .1 i t y t h a 2 t h e S e n a t .a m a y d o s o m e t l'z 1.- n g w i t 1: t h e
Ho u s e Am e n dmen t s . My m emo ry 17 s th a t t h e r e we r e s om e H o us e- l
Amendments on Senate Bill 889. Some probably will be
concurred' in and some may not be. So itîs possible that
the House may gèing to have to do something after the Sen te
has had their say. So I don't think anybody should plan
to leave the quarters too soon... Representative Brummer<''
Brummer: ''Yes. We also have 6b9 to vote on yet. Do we not?.'' ,
speaker Redaond: ''Well that's what werre waiting for from the
p 1 - -- . ....g . - ' ' - ' ' ' ' -. ; - . . e n a t e . . ' ' . 7- - ' - '
Brummer: ''0k. Thank you.''
speaker Redmond: î'The House will be back in order. Mr. Clerky
message from the Senate.''
clerk O'Brten: uMessage from the Senate, by Mr. Wrigbt Secreta y.IMr. Speaker, I'm directed to inform the House of Represen
tatives that the Senate has refused to adopt the first- ' Q =. ' u Z. f- J 'Z %- K ' - ' M ' ' * ' ' L.- - 4 k. w. - - . - . . ç .= .uv s. - - .
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1979 at the Secodd S'pecial Session by a three'-fifths vote
Kenneth Wright Secretary.''
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68 E in request that a second Conference Committee be ap- '
pointed for Senate Bill 669.''
Speaker Redmond: ''The question is on the Gentleman's motion. '
Is there any discussion? Representative Walsh.n .
Walsh: l'How many votes does it take to suspend that Rule9.ll
Speaker Redmond: HI'm looking. Parliamentarian? 89. .1* 1
Walsh: 'fMr. Speakery I object to the Gentleman''s Fequest for .a ' '
unanimous consent.''
Speaker Redmond: î'House wiql come to order.. ''
Walsh: HForget ' the bell Speaker.''
Speaker Redmond: 'lYou knew that when you were a fighter, dida'
you? Used to be know as 'Fainting Bill Walsh' in those
days.. Used to fight in the heavy weight ranks with a11
those tiny little kids in Fenwick. .. House wI'11 be in
order... House will come to order. Representative Ebbese .H
Ebbesen: 'Q esy Mr. Spealteru l was. wonderfng if Representative . --â,
Walsh might not reconsider his objection to this motion.
You know , the inconvenience... some of the House Members
. . have obviousry left the floor. But -1 think kf we could .' '
get leave for unanimous consent on this Conference Commit ee
which is going to be.. it's inevitable it's going to be
formed .. could be working in the time that the House is
sLandine in recess. Appreciate it if you might az've thaC' o
some second thoughts Representative Walsh... I guess mayb
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d 68E z'n request tuat a second conferencu committee be .an .' f z zq 11 ' ' '7Q '
appointed f0r Senate Bill Do>. '' '
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Walsh: ''We11, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Eous ,
I oblect to the Gentleman s motion and I don t do it
whimsically. I object pretty much,on the basis of much '
of the discussl'on that has gone on wA'th respect to what... . .% .- - < . <. . . . JZ .
. * < . ' . . x '' . ,.. '':we have done yesterday and today in terms of not knowing
what uas gol' ng on on the limited nature of the Governor'
call: on the fact that we deserve to be apprix d in so fa.
as possible and to sell with some modicum of respect
for the Legislature tt seems to me that we ought to comp y
with our rules, mihimal as they are, to have some infor-
mation on Just what's happening. I oba'ect and object
strenuously to the Gentleman's motion and frankly, Mr.
speaker, I hardly see nine much less 89 Members on this
floor and if we intend to go around pushing buttons I ê
. . .:. tsoa.,, 'wzll vxgorously request a verz Aca
speaker Redmond: NYou knpu the House Members better than to' - . . - . . - - - - . . - - j' -
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skinner: ''Mr. Speaker, the Member who made thx's motion suggested
that the House Members might be inconvenienced by havinco
'' to come back to the floor. Well my constituents are
going to be inconvenlenced forever by the nassive tax
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league. He used four'ounce gloves. Have a11 voted who '
wish? Representative Walsh.'' . '
W a 1 s h : ' ' I r e q u e s t a v e r i f 1 c a t .i o n , M r . S p e a k e r . ' ' ' ' -
Speaker Redmond: ''You will get ity Sir. Have a11 voted who .. . ...
wish? The Clerk will take the record. 0n thfs.question
there's 97 'aye' and 25 'no'. Representative Walsh reque ts
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Barnes'. ''Thank you, Mr.vspeaker. A requést to beuwerified if
that's possible .''
Speaker Redmond'. HRepresentative Walsh, may Representatfve Bar es
be verffied?'' '
' ' Walsh: HFor what... would the Gentleman give us a reason why
he requests 'that?t'
Speaker Redmond'. ''What's your reasong.''
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distanc'e phone call. I1d like toy you know, I've got
somebody ' holding.''
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son place the call?.''
Barnes: î'The other person.''
Speaker Redmond'. M He placed the cally Representative.''
Walsh. : 'I'here was the call placed? From the building hereg.u
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Bower 'aye'. Stuffle taye'. Representative Lechowicz.'l
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Friedrich: ''Mr. Speaker, you did warn uss but I heard the .
fable of the shephard h'poy and the wolf and usuklly when
you aay five minutes it's an hour and a half.f'
Speaker Redmond: HWel1.. you may be right. Poll the absentee .H
Clerk O'Brien: HAbramson. Ackerman. Birkinbine. Boucek. Bre lin.
Capparelli. Chàpman. Daniels. Darrow..o'' - :
Speaker Redmond'. ''Representative Darrow votes present. . votes
9 # f1aye .
Clerk OîBrien: HDeuster. John Dunn. Epton. .H
Speaker Redmoad: HRepresentatfve Ep'ton 'aye'.'''
4 ,1 . . .Clerk 0 Brien: Ewell. Ewzng. Gaines. Goodwin. Harrzs.
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Clerk O'Brien: ''Neff. Peters. Piel. Reed. Reilly. t'
Speaker Redmond'. îfReilly 'ayè'.'f
Clerk O'Brien: ''Riclzmond. Ropp.''
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. . . do you persist in your -request of a verificatloa; Ok . ' .
' ' Representative Walsh' persists in his r'equest for a verifi '
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Hoxsey 'éye'. Proceed with the verification of the Af-. . .
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- Clerk O'Brien: I'A ffirmative Roll Call. 'Alexander. Anderson. ' '
- .. . E.M. Barnes. Beatty. Bell. Bianco. Bircbler. Borcher .
Booer. Bradley. Brummer. Bullock. Campbell. Capuzz'. .'
Christensen. Cullerton. Currie. Darrow. Dawson. Dipr .ma.
Domlco. Doncvan. Doyle. Ralph Dunn. Dyer. Ebbesen.
Epton. Farley. Flinn. Friedrich. Garmisa. Getty.
Giorgi. Greiman. Griesheimer. Hallock. Hanahan. Hann g.
Harris. Henry. Hoxsey. Huff. Jaffe. Johnson. Emil
Jones. Keane. Kent. Kornowicz. Kosinski. Kozubowski.
Kuchàrski. Kulas. Laurino. Lechowicz. 1'
Speaker Redmond'. ''Representatfve Wolf ''.aye'. Wikoff 'ave'.
Mccourt 'aye'. No, pardon me. Ackerman 'aye'. Richmond
'aye' Mccourt was 'noî. Mahar 'no'. Hoffman 'no' 1'
Clerk 0 Brlenr Continuzng with the afflrmatzve votes' Leon.
Leverenz. Madigan. Marovitz. Matijevich. Mautino.
McBroom .''
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Representative Williams.''
Witliams: HYeah from 'aye' to 'no' please.''
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Walshy Representative Marovitz asks leave to be verified.'
Walsh: 'fMr Speaker, since I denied that Privilege to anbther
Membery I don't see how I.'.=can grant it to Representative
Marovitz.''
Speaker Redmond: HOk. Representative Gaines 'aye'. Represent -
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Walsh . ''Dawson . ''
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Walsh'. ''Ralph Dunn.fî '
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Wa ls h @ f' G r e 1 man . ''
Speaker Redmond'. HHe's here.'' '
W a l s h : ' ' G r 1 e s h e i m e r : ' '
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Clerk o'Brien: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'ayeTo''
Speaker Redmond: 'lRemove him.'l
Wa ls b. : '' H a n ah a n . ''
Speaker Redmond'. nIs he here? How is he recorded?.l'
Clerk O'Brien: DThe Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye' H
' S p e a ke' r Re dm on d : '' Remo v e h i m . ''
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Clerk O'Brien: HTh'e Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye' ''
Speaker Redmond: nIs he in the chamber? Remove him.''
Walsh; ''Johnson.''
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in the middle aisle.''
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Walsh: ''Margulas..'l
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: in front here. He's got a more subdued garment on today.
Walsh: ''That's why I didn't.see him.''
Walsh : '' Mc Gr ew . '' ' ''
Speaker Redmond'. McGrew here? I hear the voice. Oh, there h
is trying Ryan's seat out.l'
Walsh: ''OlBrien.'''
Speaker' Redmond'. ''He's here.''
W a 1 s h : ' ' P r e s t o n . ''
S e a k e r R e d m o n d : ' ' H e ' s h e r e o n t 1't e ' p 1A o n e . n- - e x t t o D u n n . ' 'P
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Speaker Redmond: HSchneider here? How is he recorded?.''
Clerk O'Brien: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'ayeV.''
Speaker Redmond'. ''Remove him.''
91Walsh: ''Sharp.f'
Speaker Redmond: l'Refs here.''
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. . Speaker.Redmondà HWhat's the cou' nt? 107 'ayeê a'nd 33 'no' and .
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Ebbesea: ''That was the motion, we isked for a Conference ' .' . '
Committee. It was in the motiony wasn't it?.''
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Ebbesen'. HOk. Well then we have to have a motion to appoint '
c o n f e r e n c e C o mm 1 t t e e . '' 'a
S p e a k e r R e d m o n d : f î N o v I a p p o i n t M e m b e r s t o a C o n f e r e n c e C o m Ia i t e e .
Mr. Ryan have you given.. have you t'urned yours in? You
have mines Mr. O'Brien? 0k. Do you want to read them?
' Is that customary? It's Ebbesen, Rigney, Matijevich,
Mcpikey Mcclain.wRepresentative lelcser has just arrived
from Meigs Field. Agreed Resolutions... ''
Clerk O'Brien: ''House Resolution 17, Hanahan-G.iorgi. House
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Ackerman. 20t'h '.by Johnson lauds the distinguished career. . . : - .. .. . . . . f As s o c a: a t e .uud e wh o w. s' r.e t i ring uono rab le ux-- zb'u' r ' . - '''o an g ,
. Flessner. 21 by Johnson also seeks to laud the notable
record of Andrew Steczk, another Assocfate Judge of the
Circuit Court of Champaign County. 22 by Johnsoa spreads
the recorcl of the distinguished career of the Assocfate
Judge in the Circuit Court of Champaign County, Honorable
Richard 6. Skillman. 23 by Johnson again honors a Judge
from the Circuit Court of Champaiga Couaty, Henry Clem.
24 by Johnson. canonizes the Circuit Judge of Champaign
County, Arthur LH.col. 25 by Johnson recognizes Associat
Judge front Chàmpaign County, .lohn Delamar and 26 by
Johnson cr' owns a Judge John Townsend of Champaign County.
I move for the adoption of the Agreed Resolutionswî'1.
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tion of the Agreed Resolutions.î'
Speaker Redmond'. HRepresentative Darrowv''
Darrow: nThank you, Mr. Speaker. I would call the House's
attention to Rule il A which limits the number of Resolu-
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I . ' House Resolution z8.welcomes'pope John Paul the 11 to'tbeI
' State of Illinois' and the city of Chicago on his visit
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. . ' to this cityy. but in.his present positx'on as the Pope of . -
' the Catholic Church this is' his first vistm'the Holy Fath r - -. . >
his first 'visit to Chz'cago and I resented the fact the '
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Want to have a' Clarification Of tbe matter that 1Vm suri ' '
that a11 of the people of Illinois welcome this Holy maa
and wish him a very pleasant stay in our lovely state and
hope to God that hefll come bere more often. And 1, Mr.
Speakery if it's appropriate Iîd like to ask leave of the
House to include a11 the Membership on House Resolutl'on
28 welcoming the holy Father' to this state.''
Speaker Redmond: HLeave? Rearing no objection leave in grante .
The question is on Representative Giorgi's motion for the
adoption of the Agreed Resolutions. Those in favor 'say
'ayeê. 'Aye'. Opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it. Agreed
.. Resolutions are a'dopted. Death Resolution.'' ' - - ' - '>
Clerk O'Brien: HHouse Resolution 27, Lechowicz, with respect
to the memory of V.H . Andy Andersonv''. . . . r . := . 1 '-' ' A''L- '
..-. '= '-..,='.- - ' ' Sp e ake.r .Re dmon (IJ 'Rep.res en t a rive M a di g an are y.oua. s.e ek xn'g :.a trww'. .'. ' . .. ' ' - .- - .. . .. . . . .<V .. >.. - . .' . . - ' x.'. - - . - - . . - ' > * '
. . : . p yytentlon or recognl Ion.
Madioan: ''Only if we have completed consideration of...HC>
Speàker Redmond'. '' .No we haven#t. Representative Lechowicz
moves the adoption of House Resolution 27. Those in favor
say 'aye' 'Aye' Opposed 'no'. The fayes' have it.
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. Clerk 0 Brien: Representative Sumner requests to vote'#aye' --
on Amendment 2 to senate Bill 889 'f '' ' '
S e a k e r R e d mo n d : f ' An y ob J* e c t i o n ? H e a r i n g n o n e l e av e i s g r an t' d . ''
. P . >1 . 11 ' .Clerk 0 Brzen: Senate... Representatlve Marovitz requests to
vote 'no' on Amendment 49 the motioa to table Amendment
49 to senate Bx'11 889.6'
Speaker Redmond'. HAny objection? Hearing no objection leave. j, 'Is granted.
Clerk O'Brien: ''Representative Cullerton requests to vote 'ao'
on the motion to table Amendment 49 to Senate Bfll 889.1'
Speaker Redmond: HAny oba'ections? Hearing none leave is grante .
Representative Madigan. Madtgan .'ï
Madigan: n Does the change of votes on Amendment 49 change
' the res ult? ''
Speaker Redmond'. ''No.''
Madigan: HBut if they give leave they caa.'' P
Speaker Redmond: HWou'ldn't change it. Wasn't verified then, n t
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not asking leave to change it on that one. I know cause
I saw them up here. Representattve Laurino.'l
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Speaker Redmond: ''We11 we*ve already granted leave. I asked
if there were any objections.''
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Laurlnor You vere still conversing while you te'cognized me.'' .
Speaker Redmond: Representétive Bowman. '
11 . . 'Bowman: Yes, there were oblections. I thxnk they have to be
honored. It was timely. He was seeking recognition.''
Speaker Redmond: HLet me talk to the Parliamentarian as to'
whether or not the objection was timely. Parliamentariaa
advfses me the obl'ection is too late. Representative. . . -
J O I'1 e S f 1
Jones: 'lYes, thànk you, Mr. Speaker. I think in a11 fairness
to every individual in here is that the chàir should real y
not entertain a motion to change votes on those controversial
Amendments because even though those changes do not chaag
' the outcome, if some of us can sit here and vote for thin's
that we believe in and other I'ndx'viduals pretend they vot
for that and afterwards will change their minds, so I thi k
1111 come up there and fI'll out a slip too aqd change- my--. -. -..;
v o t e o n 4 9 a n d I h o p e a wh o le lo t o f o t h e r 7.* n d i v i d u a ls
come up here and change their vo tes as we 11 . f' '
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chàir that we eliminate that changing of vote completely.
They don't permit it in the Senate. I don't see any reaso
for it in the House and I think it's a bad practice. The e
are some Members that take advantaoe of I'L so if yourllD
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Agreed Resolution. Message from the Senate.f' .
Clerk O'Briea: ''Message.from the Senate'' by Mfu Wrighty Secre ak'y. ' . . . - . - . .? . . . . . .. -
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- . Mr.-speakery. I.'m diricted.to Inform .the .House of- Represen .
' tatives the Senate concurred wi'th the House in 'adoption .
of their Amendments //5, 9, 24,45 and 57 to a Bill the fo1
l o w :.' n g t i t 1 e t o w h :.* t : S e n a t e B 1 1 l 8 8 9 . C o n c u r r e d i n b y t e
- - . S e n a t e S e p t e mb e r . 6 t..la yu :-+ 9 7 9 u a tj. . 7 t. h + ,2. S e c o n d ''-S p e e 1.' a 1 '- S e s s i o n '- ' '- .
b y a t h r e e - f :7 f t h s v o t e . K e n n e t h W r i g h t , S e c r e t a r y . ' '
Speaker Redmond: HThat's 889. Anythfng on 8907. Sere comes
the victor. Representative Borcbers.''
Borchers: 'Q have.. I think one of the greatest shows on .earth '
was going on the last two days and I wonder who am I to
' pay the.. my money for the tickets to? Have you any idea
who accepts thi's money for this show?.''.' j
Speaker Redmond: nFormer House Member, Jim Edgar. House Joint
' Resolution Constitutional Amendment 21 Qqual Rights Amen --''-
ment. Representative Chapman. Senate Bf11 150, reappor-
tfonment.legislative Districts. Are there any volunteers
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Kane. Representative Conti. Are we talking about the
state legislative districts or the Congressional district ?1
Do we want to call Bob Blair back for help? Representati e
sklnner.''
Sktnner: ''Am I not correct that Representative Blair is going
to back in place of Re.presentative Van Duyne? Donvt ,they.. --v .
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' ' ' there. J.J. Wolf. The Gentleman from Johnson County.e-.
H o w a b o u t 1 e g a 1 i z i n g . m a' r 1 J' u a n a %. ' I s 't h a tl o n 't h e ' .' C a 1 e a d a r ? ' . .
Representative Pierce has filed his bottle Bi11. Some-
body have a motion to discharge the Rules Committee and. . . . . - , . . . = ..uq -=
. * ' . ' ,v = - ' u. -' * . -' *-- ' *' -- ' '' '-' ' -' -put on the Order of Second Readzng...? Representative
Macdonald: do you want to call your costal zone managenen
Bi1l? Message from the Senate..'' ll
Clerk O'Brien: HMessage from the Senate, by Mr. Wright, Secre-
tary, Mr. Speaker, I'm dfrected to inform the House of
Representatives that the Sentate has concurred with tbe
House in the adoption of their Amendment //1 to a Bill theI' jfollowing title to whit: Senate Bill 890. Concurred in
by the Senate September 6th, 1979 at the Second Special. - v.- .- = ' . ' =v x ' == -.v ' .=- -'== = r== == .- vm = mrr=w-.=- == = & *'= = =' '== =' ''' '
session by three-fiftbs vote. Kenneth Wright, Secretary.h'! .
Speaker Redmond: HWe have one more. We have Senate Bill 669.
SO Stay in your Seats. Supplemental Càlendar //2. 0n the
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. transit for student and elderly half fare programs are
reduced by 16 and % million dollars to one-fourth of that
' ' would be affective on the fir<t of October. October of
this year. %he public transportation fund is reduced by
59 million dollars to 84 million to reflect the discbntinua-
tl'on of the current funding structùre. There are increases1
in the series B mass transit bond appropriatton by 40
mtllion up to 55 million to reflect the increase program
due to the new bond authorization provided in Senate Bill
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the series A'.bond road construction is increased by 130
million to reflect the move ahead option due to a new bon
auLhorization provided again by Senate Bil1 890 A total '
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Speaker Redmond: HProceed.'l
Jones: lo t says that the reimbursement to mass transit for
student and elderly half fare programs are reduced by 16
and a % million to one-fourth of the annual amount. This .
is consistent with the discontinuation of the state's re-.
imbursement program on October the 1st. Welly where is
the legislà&ion that :ay: th:t.the gtate wfll dfscoutinu --. - . - .. . :. .. : ': e'''' ' ' '' ' - '- ! ' '7 ' * '' ' '. . - . . .. . . u = . p....z yk n z . : . : : )
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their retmbursement?''
Ebbesen: ''I think it's a part of Senate Bill 889.''
Jones: ''The what?''
Ebbesen: ''I think it's a part: of Senate Bill 889.''
Jones: ''That's in 889711
Speaker Redmond: nRepresentative Birkinbine.'f
Bfrkinbine: HIhank you, Mr. Speaker. 1 question the germanene s
of that which was added by the Second Conference Committeeilto Senate Bill 669, wbich as I read it is a B111 4e:1i.g .11 p
with the Pension Laws Commission.'' #IlSpeaker Redmond: ''Parliamentarian advises me that by definitto:ll
the appropriation Bills are exempted from the germane 1
provisions. Subject a11 of its own. Representative
Leinenweber.s'
Leinenweber: îîMr. Speaker, I demand pursuant to Rule 34D that
since.. J.n as much as this Conference Committee report
proposed an Amendment, changing the title of the Bill,
that the Bill be returned to the Order of Second Reading,
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- . . Spe aker Redmon d : ''ParliamentafiN ' . advis ds . me ' tha t'r-the Rule tha .1-
youfre talking about applies to Amendmentss not Confer-
ence Committee reports. Representative Leinenweber.f'. . m . e . '
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' ' èo'nferen'ce'comvittee report suggests that this Bill be
amended in part by changing the title of the Bi11. So '
we would be in the effect of adopting an Amendmeht. changiûg
the title of the Bil1.M
. Sp eaker Redmoad : ''l1.og a47: we . goin: to re turn . the Conf erence Com- ' ..
mittee to Second Reading?'' '
Leinenweber: ''Pursuant to 34 D.îf' . ..% ' .ï- ' - Dl 2 L + 5 ' .:Y k..'ll : ' ' *' ' '
. ' s p e ake r Re dmo nd : -''R: p r ë': en tât i#e etdii-clîk'f tèt' , il o # @) u h 3ve àny
commen t on that? No , I think that it 1 s ingenious s but
it doesn't apply. Anything further? 1he question is
on Representative Ebbensen's motion that the House adopt
the Second Conference Committee report. Representafive
Gene Hoffmaln ll
Hoffman: nThank you, Mr. Speaker. Does the adoption of this
Conference Committee report take the same number of votes
as the Bi11s?H
Speaker Redmond: ''It takeé 1-07.'' '
Hoffman: ''It takes 107 Members to be preseat and voting 'aye' 1l
on this Bill to have it passed.''
Speaker Redmond: ''Ihat is correct. Tbe questicn's on the Gentle-
l'; .man s motion that the House adopt the Second ConferenceCommittee report.to Senate Bill 669. Tbose in favor vote
'aye'. Opposed vot e 'no'. Representative Meyer.''
Meyer: '' Hr. Speaker, I have a parliamentary iaquiry regardia
Rule 23D, the first line says under the entitlement of
rlghts of the public says, 'Meetings of Committeesuand' . 1.-- ' ; '-- ' -
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. ' subcommitte'es shall be' held open to the publicy' 'and I l
lwould like a ruling from the chair if the.. as I underst nd
it the.. the Conference Committee met in Senator Rockls w-- jl . .office and if this would be .. if Rule 23D would be withi
the purview of .. kf this meeting would meet the Section s
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119.requiyed by y3D?H . . . .
Speaker Redmond: ''We11 the Constitution does provide for the
Joint Legislative Committee shall be open. I have no' .. ' . . . . ' '' ' ' i d ' b -f (5 . m e t o ' f 'li e - ' f f e c t - t h a t t i à' t p' f o k i s i o n o f ' = ' ' ' ' :. . . . . . . . e.v enc.e . e r e e
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jtthe Constitution was not followed.
Meyer: ''No Sir. I'm talking about Rule 235.1' .
Speaker Redmond: nThat applies to House Committeesy the Parlia en-
tarian advises me.n '
Meyer: HMay 1 puxsue tbât a little bit further Sir? It says
Committees and Subcommittees. It doesn't say House Commit ees.''
Speaker Redmond: ''Yeah, well these aren't joint rules. These
are House Rules that control the business of the House
and I would feel that under those circumstances that your
objection isn't well taken. Representative Leinenweber.î'
Lefnenweber: HMr. Speaker, if this should be any chance get
107 votes, 1 would ask a verificatfon. 1 think it could
detonate a bomb on the other side of the aisle without
hurtfng anybodyel'
Speaker Redmond: ''You will get ity Sir. Anything further?
%he Clerk will take the reeord. On this question there's- -. . . . > -. -- -' ' -'' '''*' * I 1 T ''W'* R
(j '112 a#b aùB 44 no an2 the House oes.. by the...waitJ
a minute yeah. A request for a verification by Represen-
tative Leinenweher. Another former distinguished House
Membery Senator Mcclendon. Very distinguished ..... veri-
Lfication has been requested . Mr. Clerk will you verify
the Afffrmative Roll Call? Representative techowicz has
requested a poll of the absentees. Mr. Clerk poll the
absentees.'' i
Clerk Leone: HPo11 of the absentees. Bianco. 11
Speaker Redmpnd: XAbsentee pplis '.polltthe absenteçs.'l '. - .M x. . . .. - ' J<; .?. - . - - . - . . . * - - - : : . ' '
n '- '''-'*v'r-= <' - -- ' C l.e r k I;.e Vne ': '' B 'r e s l tn . C a p u z 1. . Ch ap man . D av i s . D e u s t e 'r .'I
Epton. Friedland. Margulàs. McAuliffe. McGrew . Meyer.
Mugalian. Peters. Reed. Schlickman. Schneider. Jktnnerl. Waddell. Burnidgey 1'm sorry. ualsh. Willer. ''
Speaker Redmond: %fill you proceed with the verffication of the
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E.M. Barnes. Beatty. Bell. Birchler. Borchers. Bower
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Christensen. Cullerton. Darrow. Dawson. Diprima.
Domico. Donovan. Doyle. John Dunn. Ralph Dunn. Ebbe en. .
Ewell. Ewing. Farley. Flinn. Dwight Friedrich. Gafne .
. .Garmisa. Giorgi. Goodwin. Greiman. Hallock. Eannig.
Harris. Henry. H'oxsey. Huff. Johnson. Dave Joaes..' '
. Emil Jones. Katz. Keane. Kent. Kornowicz. Kosinski.
Kozubowski. Kucharski. Kulas. taurino. Lechowicz.
Leon. Madlgan. Murovitz. Màùtino. YcBrobt. Hcclàin.
McMaster. Mcpike. Molloy. Mulcahey. Neff. Oblinger. '
o'Brten. Patrick. Pierce. Polk. Pouncey. Preston.
Rea. Reilly. Richmond. Rigney. Robbins. Ronan.
Ropp. Ryan. Sandquist. Satterthwaite. Schisler. .
Schraeder. Schuneman. Sharp. Simms. Slape. Stearney.
E.G. Steele. C.M. Stiehl. Stuffle. Sumner. Swanstroa.
ITaylor. Telcser. Terzich. Tuerk. Van Duyne. Vinson.
Vitek. VonBoeckman. Watson. White. Wikoff. Winchester.ll
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I ;Speaker Redmond: any questions of the Affirmative Roll Call? jI
, , 1Representatfve Leinenweber.
Leinenweber: HAlexander.''
speàker Redmond: ''She's here.'' l
Leinenweber: ''Anderson.'' '
Speaker Redmond: ffilefs here readfng hfs metallurgy bookv''
Leinenweber: ''Btrchler.''
Speaker Redmond: ''He's here getting ready to get married.''
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it
Leinenweber: MBower.'' lII
speaker Redmond: ''He's here.n 1
Leinenweber: Darrow. l ,,Speaker Redmond: î'Representative Darrow here? How is he recorded?
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- ..'- Clerk Leone : MThe Gentleman is'recorded as voting 'aye'.''
Speaker Redmond: HRemove him. Representative Capuzi? Capuzi
# t 1raye .
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Speaker Redmond: He s here.
Leineaweber:kl''Farlyy.''
Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Friedlandy for what purpose
do you arise? Friedland 'nol. Proceed with - the-.''.' Leineaweber: ''Farley.f' . - . - -'. ' .
Speaker Redmond: ''1'11 be there. Proceed. Farley's back ther .H
Leinenweber : ''Harris . ''
S e ak er Re dmon d )->2LH'&r r i &?- L' -1 s -' h e i I'z t hè ' c hai: ? - -1 -k1 ' t?''*6- ' -'-- ' ' ' - - '. p on e e
him. Representative Rarris in the .phamber? ' Take him off '1
Leinenweber: HHuff.''
Speaker Redmond: NHuff is here.''
Leinenweber : ''Emil Jones.o
Speaker Redmond: ''Emil Jones here? How is he recorded?.''
Clerk Leone: MThe Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'.n
Speaker Redmond: HRemove him.'' .
Leinenweber: ''Katz.''
Speaker Redmond: TRepresentative Katz? How ïs he recorded?'' - ' -m'-'p
Clerk Leone: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'ayel.'l
Speaker Redmond: HRemove him.î'
Leinenweber: HLaurino.''
Speaker Redmond: l'Laurinozhere? How is he recorded? Wait a
. uzlcminute. TheyRre pointing. Is Laurino here? Darrow has
returned. Put him back on. Emfl Jones has returned. Put
lhim back on. Laurino here? Put him back. . . Take Laurino
off the Roll Ca11.n
Leinenweber: ''Leon.''. . . . . g . =.? = 7 .' -
. - . .&p-'ê la k e r R'e d m o n d : - ' l I * :*1t. Rw h i ln a m i n u t e a E; o . H e ' s h e r e . r ' 1Le inenweb e r : ''M aut ino . ''
Speaker Redmond: HHautino here? He's fn tbe back there.'l
Leinenweber: ''McBroom.''
speaker.Redmon : e s ere.
Leinenweber: Pres'
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' ' ' speaker Redmond: MHe's here: he never 'leaves his seat. ''
Leinenweber: ''Richmond.ê'
Speaker Rednond; HRfchmond here? Hoe is he recorded?''
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Speaker Redmond: ''éemové' %X%.'' - ' ' -
Leinenweber: '' Richmond.'' '
speaker Redmond : ''Richmond a second time? We took him of f onc .''
' Leinenweber : ''Ri ney . '' 'g . . . .
' ' ' S eaker Redmond : -''He ' s here . ''. . '.' . . - - - ..P . . .
Leinenweber: HRonan.''
Speaker Redmond: f'Ronan, fn the back.'î
Leinenweber: Sëhlizrer. .. . . .-.= v
Speaker Redmoéd: I'Representative Schisler here? Schltsler.I
How is he recorded?'' - 'l''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'.'' 1
clerk Leone: lSpeaker Redmond: ORemove him. Representative Katz has re-turned.I1
Put hiln back on . ''
Le inenweb e r : ''S churteman . ''Ispe aker Redmon d : ''Wai t a minute . Re p re s en ta t 1ve Ka t z , f o r wha t
u r po s e do y o u a r i s e ? ''P I
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Speaker Redmond: 'lRecord tbe Gentleman as 'no'. Representative.
Capuzi? May Representative Capuzi be verified?''
(Leiqenweber: ''Certainly.''
- lspeaker Redmond: ''0k. Proceed-''
Letnenweber: ''schuneman-''
speaker Redmond: ''Re's here.''l
Leinenweber; ''slapew''
Speaker Redmond: DHe never leaves his seat.'d
Leinenweber: ''Stearney.l' 47 . *' '-- . ' ' . . . .L . - = - -.' ' ' ' C- ' l :*M=n-**-*
' Speaker Redmond:uuWait a-Yihute. Wait a ninute. Is Slape $l
here? There he is in the middle aisle. He's ia the wrong. l
place. Representative Harris has returned. Representatiie' . jvr i
Richmond has returned. '!
Leinenweber; HStearney.''
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Speaker Redmond: HPut them baèk on. Representative Stearney?- r . . ' . ' ' - . . .
. llow is he recorded? s tearney? ''
Clerk Leone : î'The Gentleman is re corded as vo ting # aye ' . ''
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Speaker Redmond: f'Is Van Duyne here? Heds here.''
Leinenweber: 'fvonBoeckman.n
f, ' . 'tSpeaker Redmond: VonBoeckman s here.
Leinenweber: flWatson.n . .
speaker Redmond: ''Representative Watson. Hefs here.''
Leinenweber: ''Sam Wolf.''
. speakex. Rqdmond: ''He's here. Anything .further?'' .. = - -. -
Leinenweber: ''Içe're trying to figure out some writing herem'l
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Van Duyne have those bridges
been regiscered? Have the bridges been registered?''
Leinenweber: ''Wel1 that's all, Mr. Speaker.n
speaker Redmond: ''What's the count? Representative McGrew I
don't think we took you off, did we? 0hy you want to be
recorded as 'ayè'y is that it? Representative Burnidge.
No. Representative XcAuliffe. 'Aye'. 110 'aye' and 47
. - 'no?...- And the House- does.adopt by a three-fifths con-- - - -- . I
j #s t i t u t i o n a l Ma j o r i ty t h e S e c o n d C o n f e r en c e C omm i t t e e r e p o. tt o S e n a t e B i 11 6 6 9 . . . M e s s a g e f r om t h e S e n a t e . ''
C 1 e rk t) e B r f en : ''Me s s a g e f rom th e S en a t e , by Mr . Wr f gh t , S e c r e-
: 1 1 ltary..
Speaker Redmond: 561:11 be right there..'l
clerk O'Rrien: ''l'm directed to fnform the House of Representatives
that the Senate has adopted the attached Second conference
Icommittee report to Senate Bill 669, adopted by the SenateISeptember 6th, 1979 at the Second Special Session by a thjree-
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Speaker Redmond: ''There's a difference between.. opinion be-
tween Representative Lechowicz and the chair but just to
be sure I thought that I declared that the House did adopt
the Second Conference Committee report to Senate Bill 669
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124.- ' by the three-fiftbs Constitutional Majority. That makes
it twice sacred. Message from the Senate. Did you read
that? Ok. Read that one.''
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C le r.k. 0. . Br i en : .A .me s s az e-sf-r om- th e S en a te b y Mr . W4i gli t y . - . -
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' ' - - - s b. t a' ry . Mr . '' Sp eaker I ' m d ir'e'c t e d t o inf o rm -the Ho u s'e '' 'e re ,
of Representatives that the Senate has adopted the fol-
lowing Senate Joint Resolutiony the adoption of which
1'm instructed to ask Concurrence of the House of Represe - .
tatives to whit: Senate Joint Resolution 112, Resolved.
by the Senate of the Efghty-Ffrst Ceneral Assembly of the
State of Illinois, the Second Special Session thereof;
'. the Houae af-Representatives concorring thereim-that when --.--'
the two Houses adjourn on Thursdayy September 6th, 1979
they stand adjourned sine die.''
Speaker Redmond : HRepresentative.... Resolutions. I want
Representative Taylor's yesz'
clerk O'Brfen: ''House Resolutfon //14, Taylor and a11.''
Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Taylor.''
l'aylor: ''Mr. Speaker, could you have the Clerk to read the
Resolution?''
' - ''' ' . S p e ak er .. Re d mon d. : !'M r . C1e rk ,. w il 1 y o u r ea d th e Re s o l-ut i on ?.61 -.-.-..u -- .-
,, IClerk O'Brien: Whereas the Honorable Andrew Young has renderred >1
distinguisbed service to the:tunited Stated as GMi-swmK A
of the gnfted Natfons sfnce January 1977 and whereas
' he came to the high position well equiped by formal educa
tion and wide experience being a graduate of Hartford
Technical Seminary in Hartfordy Connecticut and an ordai ed
minister of the United Church of Christ and having dealt
for many years with human relations and civil rights from
b0th religious and pplitical advantaqe points and whereas
. . . j = . ' .1- n 1957 he was employed by the National Councfl of Church s...l
Speaker Redmond: MParliamentartan please come to tbe podium.''
clerk OgBrien: 'Q .. where he worked for 4 years witb the
Council's department of youth and later in his career hel
. served as Chairman of the Atlanta Community Relations coa-
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'.'vjç e ra e 'f ; STATE oF luulNolsik . . v HotlsK or RKFI'ISKI:TATIS/f'S
.L.. is .C vohxc.. - . : M . . . . .- . .= . . - . . - ' ' -- - '-J ='a- 'z. '1' ) -r'v. ) -', yL 'ZQ ' '' . . - .. . . .. . . . . . . . .y- . ... . .... ... . .j
. mission and-whereas he was.:an associate of the late
Dr . Martin Lu ther King Jr . , the leader o f the Southern
C h r i s t t an L e a de r s h i p C o n f e r e n c e , an o r g an i z a t i o n f o r
'' - h h b e apg e xeç ult>vg d>pe ç.l;p r s in - -1 9 6 4 pn - xe çu t ive. . : . . w lç.!!. e : . . . . . - ..u y # . . .a- - - U - ' ' ' '
- . ' Vice President in 1968,. and wbereas he 'was dlected to '
the U.s. House of Representatives in 1972, the first Blac
congressman from Georgia in 101 years and was re-elected
in 1974 and 1976 and whereas Andrew Young whose oath of
. office upon becoming ambassador was administered by U.S.
Supreme Court Jus tice , Thourgood Marshall, on January 30 y
19 7 7 rendered va luable service in dealing with a wide
range .0 f i sg.tues. .iBc-lud ingz. h',manxiri-ght s. , e qconomi'c : develcopv: . - --. , -..
ment, Majority rule in Southern Africa, disam =ent in
arms limitations and provided the United Uations with
1outstanding leadershlp as a cabinec level officer and is
' a member of the National Security council in President
carter's administration, therefore be it RESOLVED BY. . I
THE HOUSE 0F REPRESENTATIVES OF THE EIGHTY-FIRST CENERAL l' j
ASSEMBLY OF %HE STATE 0F ILLINOIS: that we congratulate
the Honorable Andrew Young for his dedicated and distin-
1quished service as ambassador to. the Dnited Natioas, Lhati-.- ..
Iwe commend him for his many years of valuable work in thej &interest of human relations and civil rightsy and that we
' exterzd best wishes for his success in the future.'f
Speâker Redmond: tlRepvesentative Taylor.î' t
Taylor: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I
know by now that I do not have the votes. I'm sorry
Mr. Speaker that they waited until this hour in order to give1
me an opportunity for a Resolution that you just heard
that should not be controversial at all. I have had agree-' .. . ' - - - . -. . g '. . = - . *
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. '' 'me.n t s -f ro m . b.o th s i de s o f t là'è 'ai é le f è s tb rd'ay t h a t tb'd ' ' 'p' j
!Amendment... that the Resolution would be accepted and
today I found out late 1n' the afternoon that my Resoluttoi
lhas been assigned to the Committee on Assignment. Nothing
wrong witb that Resolution. Andrew Young is a friend of
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mine. He was one of the highest Black Representatives in'' : .
this Unt ted s tates and I res ent the f ac t: that you have
p e r s o n s o n t h i s f 1 o o r t h a t f e e 1 t h a t t h i s i s s o m e th i n g
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not be able to pass this Resolutiony but at this particul r
time, I would like to have an opportunfty to'have this
Resolution voted up or down. I want to go' on record ia
this State of letting you know where the people of this
General Assembly, the 1aw Body of this State, on a Resolu=
tion like that and you can not accept ft. Mr. Speaker
and members of the Housey I move for the adoption on
Resolution //14.9'
Speaker Redmond: ''Does he have unanimous consent? Representat've
Collins objects. RepresenLative Taylor.''
Taylor: HI move that we suspend the appropriate rule to have
Rouse Resolution //14 heard immediatelye''
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Taylor moves to suspend the
approprtate rule to permit the imm/diate consideration of
ilouse Resolution 14. There's no oblection fs raised...
Wait a mlnute now. The question is on the adoption..
the question is on the adoption of tbe Res.. of the motion &l
to suspend and it requires 107 votes. The question's on
the Gentlemanfs motion to suspend the rule. Those in
' favor vote 'aye'. Opposed vote îno'. Have al1 voted who
wish? llave a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish?
Have a1l voted who wish? Clerk will take the record. 0n
this question- . Representative Taylor...''
Tayler: Habsentees please.''
Speaker Redmond: î'The Gentleman has requested a poll of the
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clerk O'Brien: ''Po11 of the absentees; Abramson . Anderson.
Balanoff. Beatty. Bell. Bianco. Bluthardt. Breslin.
Capuzi. Daniels. Davis. Deuster. Dyer. Ebbesen.
Epton. Ewing. Friedland. Friedrich. Gaines. Garmisa.
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Taylor: HMr. Speaker I want to thank you. But I tell you thfs
is a s ad day , Mr . Sp eaker . 'rhree s t rikes i s anyb cdy ' s j'
b a1l ame and yo u ' r e out . ''B
Speaker Redmond : ''Representative Balanof f desires to be added
to the Roll Call as gaye'/ On this question there's 98 - .
'aye' and 15 'nob.. 14 'no'. Motion failed. Nov the
question is on tile .adjournment Resolution. Wait a minute.
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I voted 'aye' on the Second Conference Committee on 669
and then was off the floor for a moment and didn't get
' back quite on time. I1d like to ask leave of the Rouse
to be verified as voting 'ayee.''
Speaker Redmond: ''Any objections? Hearing no objectiony leave
is granted.''l
Scbfsler: ''Thank you.''
Speaker Redmond: HThe adjournment Resolutfon. Senate Joint l..2 - 7. - ' '- ' R - :t f d :i7 é. n'' ? î EJ ' Z ' - - - ''- - * ' - -. . - ..- 'u:.s R e s o 1 u t i tm--.2V c e P're j; .?p tudytu.' X e 7: .@ y . . - - r - . .. . . - . .. , .. . . ..
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'
speaker, I move that we adopt the adjouramenc
1f - - 'Resolution.
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carries. And the House now stands adjourned... The.Resolux .: . . - ' ' . .. '. . . . - z .=- .c -. ' (: . .=.. .- -..- L . .. r o r.'' ' ' - ' . . ; . ' . . ' . , ..c . ' . . . '. . . . '$- i '* ' -.. < . - =' 2 . ' . $ ' . . x .:J....-. . . . .. j * . . jy jj ' ''jj - .tion s adoption. Representâti e Mad Ran. . . . . - -
Madigan: ''Mr. Speaker, I move that we adjourn sine die.''' ' Speaker Redmond: NAny discussion? The question's on' the Gentle'-
man s motion tbat the House now adjourn sine die. Those
in favor say 'aye'. 'Ayef. Opposed 'no'. The fayes' have. . .:
' it. The motion carries. The House is now adjourned sine'
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