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How to Make Sure You Hire a VP of Sales That Doubles Your Revenue. Not One That Flushes Your Scarce Capital Down the Drain.
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Jason M. LemkinJason M. LemkinSaaStr
Managing Director, Storm Ventures; Founder/CEO – EchoSign/Adobe;
@jasonlk
saastr.com & quora.saastr.com
SaaStr
Managing Director, Storm Ventures; Founder/CEO – EchoSign/Adobe;
@jasonlk
saastr.com & quora.saastr.com
When to Hire (and Fire) Your First VP of SalesWhen to Hire (and Fire) Your First VP of Sales
Or Why Up to 70% of First VP Sales Don’t
Make it 12 Months
Or Why Up to 70% of First VP Sales Don’t
Make it 12 Months
All about Jason M. Lemkin
2x Founder/CEO Selling to the Enterprise.
Managing Director, Storm Ventures.
Co-Founder/CEO EchoSign, acquired by Adobe, 3000+ 5-star reviews
on AppExchange
Grew business from $0-$100m+ ARR in ‘13 at EchoSign + Adobe
Managing Director at Storm Ventures: First/Early Investor in Enterprise
start-ups, including Marketo, MobileIron, EchoSign, Appcelerator, etc.
SaaStr social community – 700k+ views a month on web + Quora
The First “VP Sales” Probably Has to Be You
You Have to Sell It Yourself First. And Then Hire 2+ Reps.
You You + 2 Reps Hire VP Sales
Ideally, Have 2 Reps Doing Well Before Hire VPS
Otherwise, You Won’t Know Yourself
Don’t Want to Hire a VPS Too Early• Too Expensive, Too Confusing
• You’ll Hire Wrong Type of VPS
A/B Test Will Also Help You Learn
Top 5 Things a SaaS VP of Sales Really Does
Note Which One Comes Last #1 Recruiting the Team
• You’re going to need a team, and a good one. Quickly.
• Player-Coach sounds great -- but at best, will be quickly obsolete as a role.
#2 Backfilling and Helping His/Her Sales Team
#3 Sales Tactics
#4 Sales Strategy
#5 Creating and Selling Deals Him/Herself
When to Make The Hire
Immediately - Once you Have a Repeatable Process
Before a repeatable process = exercise in frustration
But just as importantly – if you wait even one month
after you have Initial Traction – you are wasting time
Wasted time = wasted leads & lost 2nd order revenue,
delay in getting to Scale
Change Your Thinking: A Great VPS is Accretive
A mediocre VPS is a cost
center. Feels very expensive.
But a Great VPS is Accretive
Key: Great VPS Raises
Revenue Per Lead
Source: Boston Search Group 2011http://bit.ly/v2Sbgi
Ways Your VPS Will Increase Revenue Per Lead Ask. For the Most $$$ Per Lead.
Close. Closing is an Art – and a Science.
Hire. Better Than You.
Scale. More Reps Than You, More Quickly.
Position. Give Prospects Right Context.
Go Upmarket. Drive to Highest Practical Deal Size
Better. Great VPS Makes Your Product Better.
Fun. Great VPS Makes It Fun.
The Toughest Hire of All in SaaS When
• Too Early: Manager, Not a Magician
• Too Late: Can Take 20 Months!
Who• Been There, Done That – Almost Impossible
• Too “Heavy” a Hire? Or One Without the
Full Experience?
Why• To Take Things To the Next Level; To Scale
• But Usually NOT to Get Sales Going
The Toughest Hire of All in SaaSHire Wrong, and You’re Set Back a Year
A Bad Hire Can Be Far Worse Than No Hire at All – It’s True
A Bad Hire Isn’t Just Hard Costs – It Involves Huge Soft Costs As Well• A B-level VP Sales Hires a B-/C+ Team Under Him/Her
• Revenue Per Lead can actually go down dramatically under a mediocre VPS
• Wastes Precious Leads, Wastes Time, Loss of Second-Order Revenue
• You’ll Lose a Year – At the Worst Possible Time
A Bad Hire is Often Made Just as Things Are Taking Off• So Most Costly Time at All to Make a Mistake
The Toughest Hire of All in SaaSMy Year of Hell. But Then – Right VP Sales -> Reignition.
The Costs of a Bad Hire
Leads Doubled in Year of Hell
Yes, We Grew. But, Revenue
Per Lead Declined.
Whose Fault?
Your VPS is Also Feeding Second-Order RevenueWrong Hire = No Second Order Revenue, Not Just Suboptimal Sales That Year
How My (Real) VP Sales Doubled Sales in 90 Days
Hint: It Wasn’t New Prospects or Customers. Immediately Upgraded the Team to Proven Closers. The First
Week.
Got the Most Out of the Team He Inherited – And Got Rid of the
Ones That Weren’t Working.• 1 + 2 alone Doubled Our Revenue Per Lead.
He Didn’t Even Attempt to Do It Alone.
He Ended Pipeline as a Metric – And Any Real Credit for It.
He Embraced Competition.
Different Stages of VPS. Often, a Different Hire.
Hard to Get Stage Perfectly
Right in Early Days
Few Truly Scale Across > 1.5
Stages. Hence, Most SaaS
Cos. End Up with Multiple VPS
Key Screening for VPS
Sold at Next Year’s Target ACV – Controls
for a Lot of Variables
Sold at Next Revenue Stage (ARR)
Similar Competitive Selling Background
Outbound vs. Inbound Ratio
First 3 People You’d Bring With You
Less Important: Domain Expertise
How to Know If You’ve Made a Mistake
You Should Know Subjectively In Just a Few
Months – Just 50% of The Way Through Your
Average Sales Cycle
Numbers Should Increase in 1 Sales Cycle – with
Keen Focus on Revenue Per Lead
First Few Hires Should be Clear Upgrades – and
made quickly + seemingly effortlessly
So As Hard As It Is – You Can’t Settle
It May Be Tempting to Hire a Placeholder
VPS – especially if You Haven’t Done It
Before
But You’ll End Up With a Crummy Team, and
Lost Opportunities.
Start Early. Start Now.
When It’s Good – It’s Really Good
Great Sales Teams Have Low Turnover –
They Want to Stay Together
Great Sales Teams Feed on Themselves
Great Sales Teams Energize the Rest of the
Company
You Just Need a Great VPS
Q&AQ&A