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NATIONAL ASSEMBLY SECRETARIAT
ASSEMBLY DEBATES
Monday, the 21st November, 2011.
The National Assembly of Pakistan met in the Parliament House, Islamabad,
at 5.25 p.m. with Madam Speaker (Dr. Fehmida Mirza) in the Chair.
RECITATION FROM THE HOLY QUR`AN
ه�ر � � �� :[ � آآوورر آآ� � �� � ۔ ووه هتر� � � آآ� � � �� � ۔ آآ� � جكوو�ب
خآ��ن � � آآوورر � ر آ
ت� ��ب
آ��ن �ددرر � ۔ آآ� � � �آآ � � � � � �� ���ر � �� ��۔ آآوورر � � � �رر� � آآ� آآوورر دد� رر� � ۔ آآ� � آ
ر� � خ �ررئ �رر� آآ� ��ر ياآ � ۔ آآوورر �ررئ �رر� �� � آآوورر � �ئ اآ � ۔ ووه آآوورر� �رر
خ ��ئ
ٹ، آآ� � �ف �ب
ر� � � ۔ آآخآ��ن آآوورر ر ه�ر �� � ۔�� � � � آ اآه
ظ ]۔� � آآ� � �ن � � � � وورر ووه �� � � � �� � آآوورر � � ظ
STARRED QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS دم � : �آآك آآ� ۔
ٹيڈ ۔ .Question Hour�پ ر � ��بب
خ � �ووبير
ر رر� ��دد � � ) خ ( �ر
دم � : ٹيڈ �� ۔ not present�پ ۔ � �� آآرر� �نخ
دم � �آآل � ٹيڈ : �� �پ 75�� �� آآرر� �نخ
دم �ٹيڈ � �� �� ۔ آآرر� : � �� �پ اآه ��بب
شيك � ۔ � ش �� ۔ آآئ
رئ دد� � �ٹدم � آآس � آآ� �ر
ٹيڈ اآه : �پ
شآرر� postpone � �رر� آآ� ش گ � � آ
خيفپ بررب ب پاآوورر آف ووآآ� آآ� ئ �دد� ،� آ
ددوو�آآ �آآل � � ۔ آبپ � ۔آ
دم � : ٹيڈ �� آآرر� ��� � ۔ �پ
تپاآوورر � �آآ�ب رئ دد� � � � � ۔ ، � ووآآ� آآ� ئ
ٹ �� ۔ � آآگ� �آآل � �� آآرر� �ر
دم � �آآل � ٹيڈ ۔76�� �� آآرر� : �� �پ
Madam Speaker: Answer be taken as read. Supplementary.
دم � : � �� آآرر� �� ۔ ٹيڈ �پ
رھ رر� � ۔ آآوورر constantly � : � �� �� �ن � آآس � � � � شاآل ��� �� آآرر ٹآ� � � ببر آ
پاآ� � آ� � ئ � آ � � � � آآس � � � ��ن � � آآس � آآ�ل � �� ��� آآوورر رآآررخه� يك ه آآئ آجب آ ووه � � �
� � � � �� ۔ �وو� � �رر� � ۔ آآس �
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آآس � �نخ اآه ��ببشدم � : � ش
ٹيڈ �ے �؟ respond�پ
دم � ٹيڈ اآه : �پ
شآرر� �ن ۔ ، � �رر� آآ� ش � � �م � � � � آ � ��بب
� � � ؟ اآه ��ببشپاآرر�� ��ئ � �رر � ش دم � : ئ
ٹيڈ �پ
اآه :ش � � �رر� آآ� ش
تيك � � �ووع �� � � �ن وو�ب � � � � � آآئ يك ررووآآجب اآ �� ۔ �ررے �ن آآئ
خآئ � آ � آآنخ
�وون �خآ�� آآوورر آآ� � آ
ت وو�ب آبپ � � � � آ جب
ي� مئآ� commit�ووع �رر� � آآوورر � � � آ
تون � ۔ � ووه � � � � � وو�ب
ؤو
آ�� � ، � � آآ� آت ددے دد� � ۔ �آآ�ب
تباآب آآئ
۔ ه�ر ��بب دم � : � ��ررئ ببرر� ظاآهٹيڈ �پ
�رر �� ت �آآ�ب ��نخ � �� � آآ� � � �ررے �آآنخ آبپ دم � آ
ٹيڈ �پ دم � ،
ٹيڈ : �� �پ ه�ر ��ررئ � ببرر� ظاآه
آ� � ۔ درر� � �ن آخيك �آآس � د � شاآرر� ، آآئ رررآآء ��نخ
خ دد� وور آبپ ر �ن � � آ
خپاآرر�� ��بير ئ �� �� � ۔ ئ
� � � تدم � جكوو�ب
ٹيڈ �پ ۔ ياآ � �ووع �ووآآددئ
ت آآجب�س � � وو�ب آجب � آ آبپ � رر� � � آ هبپ �ررے � ووه � آآوورر
اآ �� � ، � � خاآ �� � ، � آآس � � جپ�ئ
خ� � �ن آآس � � �� � � آآس � � � دد� � آآس آآ� � جپ�ئ
اآ �� ۔ خاآ �� آآوورر آآس آآ� � � � �ئ
خ �م � � � �ئ
۔ اآه ��ببشدم � : آآ� � �ے �۔� ش
ٹيڈ �پ
خد� ددآآررئ � � � �ن ��دد �ئ
خاآ �� ۔ �ررئ د
خ � �ئ ددرر �آآبب دم � ! �آآبب
ٹيڈ اآه : �پ
شياآ � � �رر� آآ� ش آئ اآ �� ۔آ
دد� ووآآ� � � � � � ��رق � ر � �ن � � � آآس � �ررآآ �وو�رر � � � � � � آآس � � �آآببخاآ �ر
تئ
� ، own� آآوورر � آآس � totally responsibility� ۔ �ررئ ت � � � �آآ�ب اآ �ن ۔ �ررے � ��نخ
ت�ئ
� � تباآب يڈد � � ئ � ۔�ئ
تباآب � � �آآئ
ت � �آآ�ب � �ن آآوورر �ووم ��بب
ت � ، � �ن آآوورر �ے �آآ�ب ووم ��بب
د� ددآآررئ �ررئ خد� ددآآررئ � � � د
خ � � � ۔� � � د ے ۔� ��نخ
تشكئ � ددے � �آآل � � �آآبب آبپ � � ۔� آ
باآ� ۔I am sorry� ۔ئ
ر � � خشاآررے �ر ٹاآ� � � � رر� � آآوورر � � آآ� � آآوورر � آآوورر �� ووآآ� � � � ئ �بب اآه �
شباآ� ش دم � : ئ
ٹيڈ �پ
consensus � � ر �نخ just�� ۔ آآس � آآس � � � رر� � ۔ timely start� � � ��� � �ر
ensure ر آآخ ��ر آبپ ۔� آ رآآدده ��بب
خرخدآآ� �آآ�ددرر �ب
ٹاآ� � آآس � � �۔ د
تپاآرر�ئ ��ئ �ن ��دد �ن ئ وورر ئ
� �آآم � �آآ�ن � پاآ�نخ وس آآوورر آآس �رر � ئؤپاآرر� �و دم � ! دد� � ئ
ٹيڈ رآآدده : � � �� �پ
خرخدآآ� �آآ�ددرر �ب
ٹآآوورر د
دشكس �� � ٹ �� � ددوو�رر � ووه د پاآرر�ن � � � �� �� � آآنخ اآ� � �ررئ �� ئ
ت آآ� �م �ئ � � � ۔ � آآبب
�ررئ �رر � � آبپ �وون � � آتسب � ددرر�آآ اآه ��بب
ش آآ� � ووه � �ج �ن ��ئ دد� ۔� � ش پاآرر�ن � � آآرر�نخ � ئ
� � �ل �� آآوورر آآس پاآرر�� �رر � آآنخ پاآرر�ن � آآررآآ� آآس � ��ئ دد� � ئ ئ � � �� � � �ج آآنختباآب ئ
آآ� آآ� � �آآ � � اآه ��ببشه�ر � �ے messageآآوورر ش باآه � ئ پاآ�نخ � � آآوورر ئ پاآ�نخ وس � � ئ
ؤپاآرر� �و � � رر� � ئ
يك �ل � � � ۔ پخپاآرر� � � ب �ل � ووه �ررئ ئ
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ي پاآوو�پ ��دد �ن ۔� ووآآ� آآ� ئ ٹاآ� � سبب رئخ � �ر ر � �ش �� �� � آآنخ
خپاآرر�ئ �ررر ه�ر � ئ اآه
ظدم � : � � � ۔ ظ
ٹرر ڈ
يك �آآل � � � ۔ � �� آآرر� �� ۔ � آآئ
پاآس باآررے � �ے ئ پاآوورر � ئ دم � ! ووآآ� آآ� ئٹيڈ : �� �پ � ۔ �� �� آآرر� �نخ
ت �ن �آآ�ب
دم � : �آآل � �� ۔ ٹيڈ �پ
: �آآل � ۔75�� �� آآرر� �نخ
Madam Speaker: Answer be taken as read. Supplementary.
Ms. Shireen Arshad Khan: Madam Speaker, I have so many questions to put here
but I would like to ask the most important one question that is it possible for the
Minister Sahib that this load shedding
د but it is casual� � � رر� � ۔ ٹك �د
ت � ع�� � � � ئ آ �� � � � � �نخ ه�ر � � آآ�رر � آ يك ه ووه آآئ
گ � خ ۔ .so that people can plan their plans. Thank you so much�ئ
۔ يڈد � ��بب پاآوورر �ئ دم � : � �رر ووآآ� آآ� ئٹيڈ �پ
Syed Naveed Qamar: Madam Speaker, first of all for the information of the
House, there is no load-shedding being carried out in the country, anywhere today.
If there is any area where electricity is not being provided due to some specific
problem in a particular area, then we try to solve it within that bottleneck. But
there is no national, there is no lack of electricity to be provided. So load-shedding
is basically when there is less generation and more demand. And right now, we are
only generating as much power as is being demanded through the country. So there
is no load-shedding. But perhaps in summer when we do get into a problem, when
there is more demand than there is generation, then certainly this suggestion given
by the honourable member can be considered.
Madam Speaker: When there is more demand than there is generation. So
obviously there will be load-shedding.
Syed Naveed Qamar: Yes.
Madam Speaker: So there is load-shedding.
Syed Naveed Qamar: No. When in summers I am saying there is more, right
now there is no load-shedding, but there might be time when there might be more
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demand than there is generation. So at that point in time, we can look at this
suggestion.
Madam Speaker: So it should be announced, you know the time should be
announced.
Syed Naveed Qamar: Yes I understand that. That’s precisely what I an
answering.
��بب ياآ� ررحماآنخ دم � : ئٹيڈ on supplementary-�پ
�� : ياآ� ررح�نخ گ � � �� �� ، � �� ئخد �ئ
ٹ � � �� �ن � ��رر � �د
تباآب � ئ دم �۔ � � ��بب
ٹيڈ �پ
we appreciate that � آآوورر آآس � � آآسcoming to this question � ياآ دئٹڈخد� � � � آآوورر 45آآئ
ٹ 11د
under construction � ۔ �are they authorized, eligible to build these dams ياآ � illegalئ
باآررے � پاآ� ررووك رر� � آآس � ئ ياآ � رر� �آآوورر ئ دئٹڈخد� آآئ
ٹاآ �� ۔ accord� 1999د
خ � � � � � رر� � آآوورر � �ئ
پاآوورر ۔ دم � : � �رر ووآآ� آآ� ئٹيڈ �پ
Syed Naveed Qamar: Madam Speaker, first of all we are working under the
Indus Basin Treaty of 1960, not 1999 accord. And there is a prescribed procedure
given under which all these issues are dealt with. There cannot be a so called
illegal construction. If there is a construction that is started, first of all they are
supposed to give us prior information and prior notice to that. But regardless of
whether they give a notice or not, we have a remedy whereby we have a
complete prescribed procedure under which we can take them to an international
court of arbitration which we are doing for example in the case of Krishan Ganga or
now we are going again for Nimoo Bazgo and so on, we had gone earlier for Bagliar.
So we have been invoking these clauses and we continue to do so. So if ever there
is a construction on the Indian side, certainly we do take this issue up at the
international forum for arbitration.
دم � : ��ن � آآ� ��ببٹيڈ on supplementary-�پ
ت � �� ��ن � � دد� آآس وو�ب دم �۔ � � ��بب
ٹيڈ : �� �پ ��ن � آآ� �نخ �ررے � growth�بب
�two to three percent � � يك ددل � �� � � آآس ه�ر آآئ � � � � آآوورر آآ� � �� � ه بٹخياآ � �شئ آ� ئ آ
ت شاآب
ياآ neighbouring country�ررے آ� � ئ ياآ ��ر� آ � آآ�� � � � ئ آبپ ياآ � ، � آآس � � آ دئٹڈخ � آآئ بٹ
خآ� � �شئ � آ
دئ � � رر� � ۔ٹ � د بٹ
خآ� �شئ ياآ آ ئ
ت � شاآب آبپ آ
ت �� �ے � ۔آآس وو�ب
ٹآ� آآوورر � � ، آآ�ررب are you ready toآ
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increase it to let’s say like in Turkey, they are doing at 17 percent. � � �� �
د�ئ � � ۔ �� ۔ٹڈخ � آآئ آبپ � � آآوورر آ بٹ
خپ�ب � ئ آبپ آ � آآوورر آ آ � آآوورر � آ پاآس آ � ئ آبپ �رر � � آآ�� آ آبپ آ
پاآوورر ۔ دم � : � �رر ووآآ� آآ� ئٹيڈ �پ
Syed Naveed Qamar: I am not clear….
۔ باآرره �� � آآ� ��بب �آآل ددووئ آبپ دم � : � ددئ �آآ� آٹيڈ �پ
Madam Speaker: What the question specifically was. If the question was that
do we intend to import gas in the form of LNG for example or gas through the
pipeline as through IP and KP, yes we are working diligently on all of these
projects.
۔ ه�ر ��بب دم � : � � � ۔ ��ررئ ببرر� ظاآهٹيڈ �پ
� آآوورر ياآ� �بب آآس �آآل � ، ددررئ آجب ياآ � آ دد ئ � �آآبب ر� ��ببخدم � ! آآ� � وور
ٹيڈ دم �۔ �پ
ٹيڈ ه�ر : �� �پ ��ررئ � ببرر� ظاآه
�وون � �� � آآوورر �رره ددخد� آآ�
ٹاآ� � ��ر� د
تپخياآ� � � �� ئپئ ياآ� under processررئ دم � ! ددررئ
ٹيڈ � ۔ �پ
ع�� ووه � � ووآآ� � ياآ� �بب آآوورر � آآوورر ددررئ شاآل � � �� �بب � �رره آجب ر رر� � ۔ آٹ آآر
تيب ررب
ت�ب � آآس وو �بب
ع�� � آآوورر دم � ! ��ل ٹيڈ پاآ� � � ۔ �پ د� 1959ئ
ٹون � د
ؤياآو ددررئ
� آآنخ اآس ��ے � � آآ� �وو�نخت� �ھ ئ
� � آبپ � �� ��ن � � �ھ ظاآس ��ے � � آ ر� ��ببخ آآ� measures�� � � � وور آبپ � � � آ
� � � � ۔ ع��ن � رر�نخ آآنخ
دم �ٹيڈ ۔ �پ يڈد � ��بب : � �ئ
Syed Naveed Qamar: Madam Speaker, I thought that I had answered this
question.
measuresدد� � ببب ے � �تشكئ � بب
ت پاآ� � violation particularly� ۔ violation� ب ئ ببب � � �� ببت ب
diversion �پاآ ياآ ئ بگ�ييهاآرر � � � � � �� آآ� blockage� ئ س � � � ، بٹپيكئ اآ � آآوورر � � � � � � � �آآ�ب
تآئ آ
ر � � � � � � رر� � ۔ � خباآر گاآ � � � رر� � آآوورر � ئ
خك � � آآس as such �diversion� آآوورر � گئ
تآآ� ئ
پاآ� باآ� even � � � �آآ ، � � � � � �� � ئ س � وو� � � ۔ ئٹپيكئ �آآ�ب � � ووه آآنخ
ٹ� دد�ن � � رر�ووب
usages �م آآ� � �rivers �� �build up � رر� � ۔ �overall � � ررآآ�quantum of water
availability downstream آ� � �� � رر� � ۔ آ� آ ووه آ
دم �ٹيڈ ياآدده So with so many dams coming up: �پ رئ
خ � � آآس � ۔ impact� ووه � � آآوورر ر
Syed Naveed Qamar: Madam Speaker, first of all as I said, Indus Water Treaty
does not allow India to build any hydro electric project in which water will be
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diverted away from these three rivers: Indus, Chinab and Jhelum to any other
usage except for moving it downstream toward Pakistan.
ووه س � � ٹپيكئ � � �آآ�ب باآ��ه � آآس � �ررررووآآ� �� � ۔ آآنخ ے ۔ آآ� �� � � ئ
تشكئ primarily run� � � ووه � � �
of the river projects پاآ� � � ووه � � move down� � � ئ � ۔ � آآس � � �� اآت�ئ
technicalities �پاآ divertآآ� �� � � آآ� ووه ئ � � � � ۔ � آآ� ررووك � � دد�ن � � � �ررئ �
seasonal � آآس � آ impact� � � آآنخ � � ۔ � آ we are making sure � � يٹ يس�ي � آآس � � آآ� فئ
رر� � � ياآ � � � � �ررئ �� � ئ � ددنخ ياآ � � ئ ددنخ باآرره � آآ� ررووك � ئ اآل � �ررشپاآ� �پ ئ � � � ووه
affect � ۔ � � �we are also working to make sure that that does not happen.
�س �وو� �دد � �� ر � � � � � ۔ خد�بير
ٹڈخ آآئ آ �� � � � پاآرر�ئ ��ئ آ آآگ� �آآل ۔ آآ� ئ دم �:
ٹيڈ ۔ �پ
ر �خد�بير
ٹڈخ � آآئ آبپ ه�ره آآوورر�� �� ۔ ��دد � ۔ �س � �وو� � �� ۔ �ن � آ �آآل � ��دد � ۔ آآگ� �آآل �س ظاآه
�س � رر� � ۔ آ آ يڈد اآئش ش اآه ��بب
ش � ووه � رر� � � � � � ش ر � �آآل آآ�� � �ن
خد�بير
ٹڈخ آآئ رئ دد� � �
ٹ ۔ �ر
�� ��۔
80�� � ��: �آآل �
Madam Speaker: Answer be taken as read. Supplementary.
� ۔ � �ئ آآظ�ع � �� � Kohala Hydel Power Project�: � � � �ه رر� �ن � � � �� � �
schedule � ۔آآس � � � � آآوورر � � � � � آآس �وو� � � � ووه � � �ج �utilize �
يك observation�� � � � آآے � � آآئ يڈدئ � � � � �وو� � ياآن �ئ رئٹر � �ر
ٹآ� � � �وور delay � آ
آبپ �۔ آآس � آ ياآ CEC� � رر� � ۔ � � � �ه رر� �ن � � آآس �وو� �آآ �ررجب � PDئ recruitment� � � آآنخ
�۔ criteria� � ووه � �ج �� � ۔ آآس � �
دم �ٹيڈ پاآوورر �پ : � �رر ووآآ� آآ� ئ
آ�بيپبل � � � � � � ۔ �ل � � آ �آآ :� يڈد Kohala Hydel Electric Project is a private� �ئ
sector project. ياآن � � � ۔ رئٹ first of all it’s not being delayed. Secondly physicalووه �ر
work has not started as yet. So I think there is some misunderstanding that the
honourable member is going through because there is no PD, there is CEC, it is a
purely private sector project.
� �ئ � ۔ آبپ دم �: � آآ� ��ررئ ۔ آٹيڈ �پ
آ� آآے � � � آآ� ��ررئ: � رر� � ۔ � �ج � آتباآب دآآ � ئ
ٹپڈ دم � ! � �� ۔ � �ن ووآآئ
ٹيڈ precautionary �پ
measures � �low class � fairs دآآٹپڈ اآ � ��ر�� � � � � ووآآئ
خوس � �ئ
ؤ �و ر
ٹ��
خدآآ � مئ
ٹپڈ � ووه � � دد� ۔ � ووآآئ
employees � وون � ��رئ�خ � آآ� يك �� � � ۔آآ س � � آآنخ ي �ن � آآئ
تي�ھي �ر دد��ن � ددئ
ش� دد� �� � ۔ � آآك�
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آ� ددس �وون � � ددئ �� � آآوورر آآس � � � ددوو آآے � � رر� � ۔ � � آآ� � � آآررآآدده رر� � � measuresآ
دآآ � ٹپڈ ياآ �� ۔ � � ��رئ � �� ددے رر� � آآ employees� ووآآئ � � � ددئ نخ
پاآوورر۔ دم �: � �رر ووآآ� آآ� ئٹيڈ �پ
Syed Naveed Qamar: Madam Speaker, this is related to Neelum Jhelum and the
Kohala. But nevertheless I will answer it. The answer to the question is that yes
we also agree that this facility given to employees is misused. Though at one
time, Government had considered monetizing this, because there is a limit to each
person, it is not an endless facility
ين � آآ�ل � � ۔ پيئ but because the Union raised this issue, so we are rightووه � � �هه
now in negotiations with the Union to come to the conclusion whether this whole
process is made transparent because currently I totally agree with the honourable
member that it is being misused.
۔ دم �: �آآ�� ��ببٹيڈ on supplementary�پ
ياآ ددئ � �آآبب رئ دد� � � ��ببٹ � �۔ � آآ� �ر هبٹ رآآ � آآس � ه
ٹدم �۔ �آآ �آآل �ر
ٹيڈ �آآ�� : �� �پ �بب
� � آبپ آ� � ۔ آ � � �آآ � � � � آآ� � � �ن آتباآب باآ� � ئ گ ،� � �آآ� � ۔ ووآآ� ئ
خد� ئ
ٹ � � �د
�ررے آ� � � ددنخ � � � � دد�� � � ، آ آبپ � � ۔ آآس � � وو� � ۔ � آ بٹؤ� � �ص � �آآ� � �ب
گ آآ� � رر� � ۔ خد� ئ
ٹاآ � � �د
ت � � �ئ � � سبب � � ۔ آآ�آآرر � ددنخ سبب
گ �ن �� � ۔ خد� ئ
ٹدم �: � � �د
ٹيڈ �پ
�آآ ر� دد� � � ۔�ببٹبر يڈد ب رئ
خ ��: � ددوو�ئ � �� � � � � رروو� � � م�
� �آآل � � ۔ آبپ دم �: آٹيڈ �پ
ر�� �ٹگ �ن آآوورر � �ج � �رر� � آآوورر � �ن ببر
خد� ئ
ٹ �آآ��: �آآ �آآل � � � آآ� �ن � رر� � � � �د �بب
� ۔
دم �ٹيڈ پاآوورر ۔�پ ر� رر� � ۔ � �رر ووآآ� آآ� ئ
ٹگ � � رر� � آآوورر � � ببر
خد� ئ
ٹ : �د
Syed Naveed Qamar: It is totally different question and
� آآس پاآ�نخ ئ گ خد� ئ
ٹ � � � �د
شدم �! �په�ي � � � � � � � � �آآررس
ٹيڈ ددے دد� �ن ۔ �پ � � � ۔ �آآبب
ي � ۔۔ٹ يسي � �رر� � � �ررئ �� كپپئ
� رر� � ۔تباآب دم �: � � ئ
ٹيڈ �پ
آ رر� �ن ۔ يڈد �: � � � � آ گ � � رر� .because it relates to the same issue� �ئخد� ئ
ٹآآس � �د
ي � ۔ �ررئ � � � ٹ يسي د � ووه �ن � �ررئ � �� كپپئ
ٹڈخد�ئ
ٹ and that is why�� � � �� � ۔ meetد
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there is no load-shedding ر � � �� � آآوورر دد�� وو�ه � �� � ۔خد�بير
ٹڈخٹاآ� � � ،�ن � آآئ so� � ئ
obviously there is lower demand and that does happen شاآ رآآٹ � �آآ� � �ر � � آآ� آآوورر
KESEآآس � � � �آآ� � � � ۔ ووه يبٹ يك �آآ�ب باآ� � manageآآئ �� � آآوورر �آآ� � � �وول �� � ووه ئ
گ � � ۔خد� ئ
ٹباآ� آآ� �� � ۔ آآس وو� � �ن �ررے � � � � رر� � � �د except some local� ئ
problems. Karachi does go through different kind of approach � رخياآر آآ� � آآ�ئ يڈد اآئ
ش وو�ن ش آآوورر
�� � � � ۔ �ن � ��نخ پ�رآآ پي�خ ب ر� � ۔ آآبب
ٹ ببر رر� دم �! �
ٹيڈ �پ گ � رر� � ۔
خد� ئ
ٹ fuel adjustment�د
۔ � �ل � �سبٹ � ��ل � � � � � averagely��ررجب ياآ رل � ئخدبيرٹ د ، � � ، آ� � ��ر� آ �� ووه
� ۔ اآت �ئ و
ؤ ��و رر اآ
ت آآئ � �دد � آآس آآ�رر� وورر � � �� � آآ ه�ر ه � � آآ�رر� � ووه سبب and that is�� � ۔ آآنخ
directly notified by NEPRA, now it does not come to Water and Power or the
Government or the Prime Minister as it used to in the earlier times. � � وون�خ آآ� �
� �� � ۔ د� � �ررجبٹيڈ �ن � آآ�رر� � �دد � � �ل آآئ
ر آآ�� ��ببخدم �: �� رروور
ٹيڈ on supplementary�پ
دم � �� ۔ ٹيڈ رآآ��: �� �پ
خدآآل �� رروور
ٹد�ے � د
ٹگ � د
خد� ئ
ٹ � � �د � �آآل � � �� نخ �آآ �آآل � ��بب
رئ �نخخد�ه �ر
ٹيك د آآوورر آآئ يك ددآآددوو �آآرر �رر � � ۔ آآئ ين ��نخ ئ
خئيپؤئ� نخ
شيس �مئ
خبرئ �آآ
ٹ � � �� � � � ددوو ببر ياآ آآنخ آئ � دد� � آ
ر� � ۔ �ررآآ �� � �� ۔ ووه � �� � � ۔خك � �� ووآآ� � ۔ آآس � � �ر
ت � � � � � � دد� ئ آبپ آ
پاآوورر۔ دم �:� � �رر ووآآ� آآ� ئٹيڈ �پ
� � � � تسب ددرر
تباآب دم �! � ئ
ٹيڈ يڈد �:�پ باآ� � targets� �ئ دد� �� � � �ن � �آآل � � آآوورر ئ
unrelated � � � �information � � � ونؤبل � � دد� �و آ�بيپ exactlyددے � آ آآبب � �� � � آآوورر � ددنخ
باآ� � � �۔ completionئ
۔ اآ �آآ�� ��ببخدم �: ��ئ
ٹيڈ �پ
آآ�آآ� آآ� پاآ�نخ دم �!� آآ� � ��ف � �� ��ن � � � ئٹيڈ ر�: �� �پ
خاآ �آآ�� وور
خ� �ن � ���ل ��ئ
� پاآ�نخ ئتيك � � جكوو�ب ر � height� �ص �� � ۔آآس � ع�ووه � � آآئ
خاآ � ۔آآس � � آآ� آآ�آآر
تپاآ� � �ئ � ئ
خ
� �ف � ��! � آآ� �رر � � �ص پاآ�نخ ئت�ب �وون � � � � �۔آآس �ج � � � �آآ � � �۔� جكوو
ر � آآ� � خير اآ۔آآ� آآس � � �ئ �ب
تآ� � آآس � آآوو� � � �ئ باآرر آ باآرر ئ � � �ن � �آآل � آآ�� �۔� � �آآل ئ
ه�ر �ن � آآ باآه اآ � آآوورر � � ئتپخياآ ��� ��ن � ررووك � � آآ� �� � ۔� � � � ئبئ وو� � �� � � آآ� �ن � ئ
� � � � ووه � آبپ آ ببب � � � �� � ت � ��ب آبپ شاآ� آ شاآ� آ� � � آآس � آ
ت�ب ڈدآآ�آآ� آآ� وو
خشاآرر� �۔ج �وو
� � �رر�ل ��۔ آبپ � � ���۔ � ��� � � آ
پاآوورر۔ دم �: � � � ۔� � �رر ووآآ� آآ� ئٹ �پيڈ
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Syed Naveed Qamar: Madam Speaker! This was not a question but a suggestion
and I also completely agree with the honourable member that if we want to have
electricity which is a big impediment to the, lack of electricity is a impediment to
growth then we have to prioritize our funding towards electricity.
اآ� آآ�ق ��،شدم �: � آآگ� �آآل � ش
ٹيڈ ۔ � � �ددق ��۔ not present�پ
دم �!�آآل �ٹيڈ ۔82�� � �ددق:� �� �پ
Madam Speaker: Answer be taken as read supplementary.
يك � � � � � آآ�آآ� � International Labour Organization�� � �ددق: � � �� �� �ن � آآئ
د�ٹڈخئ �آآ� � �� ددئ �رر� � � � ووه � آآ� � �ررئ � آآوورر �آآ� � �� ددئ �رر� � آآوورر ددوو�آآ � � �� آآئ
يك � رآآ آآئٹبر يك � ب � آآئ �� �۔آآنخ
ٹ آآ�ررب �� �۔� �گ شاآ�نخ
ٹ forwarding ددرر� � � � � � آآ�ررب
agents ببب يك exporters�� � � ووه � آ� � � � ووه � آآئ اآم � �� claim form� �ل آخ�� �۔ ووه آآ� ئ
اآ � � � تاآم � �ئ
خاآ � آآوورر آآس � � claim�۔آآس � � � ئ
ت � رر� �ئ � ��نخ رے � � � ووآآ� آآنخ
ٹبر � ب آآنخ
پاآ� �� �رر� � � � � يك forwarding agents�� ددرر� �� � � � آآ� �� ئ � � آآئ monopoly�۔ آآنخ
آشاآ� رر�۔� ��۔ � آآ� � �� �� � آ ر آآ� �ل � رر� �۔ آآنخخ � ووه � ��� � آآ�رر�ر
دم �: � � �ٹيڈ د�ئ۔�پ
ٹڈخ � �۔� �رر آآئ
� �آآ� � � آآوورروون ك �� � � � ۔�� � �ررئ � ۔�ف آآنختدم �! �ن ئ
ٹيڈ آآ��:� �� �پ �ووم �بب
� �skillsآآ � ر � آآوورر � آآنخخرؤباآ� �ب ر �� � � � ددوو�ے �آآل � ووه ئ
خك �ر
تيك �� �رر� � آآوورر �ن ئ ئ
�وون � � آآ� � � � � ددے دد�تآآ� � � .I will look into it and I will have it correctedددرر�آآسب
اآء آآ�شسخ آآس � � ��۔ .I will act on this� ددے دد� آآوورر آآ� ددے دد�۔آآب
۔ ي ��ببؤكيخ ئ دم �: � �ددآآرر ظاآ�بب
ٹيڈ �پ
ر�خي: � �آآ �آآل وور
ؤكيخ � ئ �وون � �ددآآرر ظاآ�بب
خ �� � � �آآ� � � رر� � آآس � � آآ� پاآ�نخ � � � � ئ ��بب
� � �1250 ٹپ�ب � � � � � � ئ ر� ��بب
خ �رر� � ۔� وور
تب
خپ�� � ��روو� ر� � رر� � آآوورر آآس � ئ
خآآ�ر
� تب
خ �� � آآوورر � � � ��روو�
تب
خ � �۔�� � � آآوورر � ��روو�
دم �: � � �رر ��۔ٹيڈ �پ
پ�� �۔ پاآ� آآ� � � ئ ،ئٹپ�ب �،�رر آآ� � ئ
ٹپ�ب يك ئ پ�� � � ددس آآ� � آآئ آآ��: � ووه ئ �ووم �بب
پ�� �۔ دم �: � ئٹيڈ �پ
آآ��: � I don’t exactly remember, how many plots are�ووم �بب
there? I can just say within 15 minutes....
دم �: � � ٹيڈ � آآ� �دد�۔ floor�پ
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Makhdoom Shahabuddin(Minister for Textile Industries): Within 15 minutes I
will, I can tell the.
�ش � �رر� � �ددوون � آآس � problemآآوورر آآس � آآببخ
� locally �people interested� � � �ص
They� ووه �� � � آآس � � � � � � � locally�۔� internationally �people interestedآآوورر
want it on throw away prices, they
want that. So They don’t remember one thing and that is the government has spent
lot of money buying that land and then improving it then levelling it and putting
roads over there, putting electricity over there, putting, you know, building up the
infrastructures. So, government has spent lot of money �رٹ �� 19� شاآر
يك � �ددوون � � �۔� �ے �ل � آآئ آبپ آآ� �۔� �رره � � آ
دم �: � ٹيڈ �۔ cost�per acre�پ
آآ��: � �ن ووه � �رره � � آآ� �وون �۔ on the floor of the House�ووم �ببخ
�ص
دم �: آآوورر � ٹيڈ � دد� �۔ criteria�پ
آآ��: � We got�۔� آآس � � criteria� � � � the highest bidder�ووم �بب
to ensure, they don’t want to buy this for the sake of multiplying that income but
the question is; they have to set up a plant over there a textile plant. You see
people would like to buy and then they, and then ultimately say after two years,
three years, you know, they sell it.
دم �: � ٹيڈ time period�پ آبپ �رر� �۔ fix� آ
آآ��: � ووه � اآ�ن۔ fix�ووم �ببت � �ئ آبپ � �آآ�۔� آآ� �رره � � آ
�ئ آنخ �� آ ياآ� ررح�نخ دم �:� �۔� ئٹيڈ ۔�پ
ر�� �ن � � � � رر� � � � ٹبر آ� ب � آ
تباآب � ئ آبپ دم �! � آ
ٹيڈ :�� �پ ياآ� ررح�نخ � highest bidder�� ئ
پ�� � � يك State� �� �رر� � � fix rate� � ئ اآ� آآوورر ددوو�آآ �آآل � � � �رر� �� fix rate� � آآئت�ئ
د � وو� ٹآ� � � �ررئ consecutive floods� � فلڈ textile and other goods �waive off customآ
duty � � �گ�ددخبئ � �۔ب
تباآب آ� � � � reservations� ئ گ�دد� � آآوورر ووه issue solveشاآ� آ
خبئ custom�� ب
duty ��پاآ � � ئٹ �۔goods ،�textile goods� �ب
دم ٹيڈ ۔�پ آآ�� ��بب �: � �ووم �بب
Makhdoom Shahabuddin (Minister for Textile Industries): We are negotiating �آآ
� �آآ۔ solveووه
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دم �: آآوورر � ددوو�آآ �آآل �۔ٹيڈ �پ
آآ��: ددوو�آآ �آآل � � � �۔ �ووم �بب
ياآ � � ئ يبٹ دم �: رربٹيڈ � �رر� �۔ highest bidder�پ
آآ��:� ر� fixed�ووم �ببٹر 19� شاآر
ٹاآ�ن �رره � � � that is minimum�وور
ت � �ئ آبپ ووه � � آآ� آ
� � � �ceilings � ياآدده رئخ ر آبپ ر�� � ددس آآ� � �� �،� آآ� � �� �، �ن �ن آ
ٹبر � �رر آآ�� ب آبپ �� �۔آ
� �� �cost ۔� � � رر� �۔� �� ��� �
دم �: �� آآرر���۔ٹيڈ �پ
گ�دد� � آآ� خبئ آ�بيپبل � � � �� ��ن � � ب دم �! � آ
ٹيڈ : �� �پ � economy raise�� �� آآرر� �نخ
ر �� � خد�بير
ٹڈخ �handicrafts, small industryآآئ � �آآبب آبپ ياآدده � mark-up � آ رئ
خ آآ�ر يبٹ � � � آآس � ررب
� � � � � �at least �� � � � �رخبر handicrafts �linked� �� ب آبپ � آ -mark�گ �۔آآنخ
up دد�۔ �even يڈد �ررئ اآئش � � �because industries� �� ��رق ��� economy�رر�ن � � � �دد� � ش
۔ � � آآبب
۔ آآ�� ��بب دم �:� �ووم �ببٹيڈ �پ
آآ��: � �� � ے �۔� � decision �Finance Minister�ووم �ببتشكئ �suggest �۔� �� �ن آآنخ
decision ultimately Finance Minister۔� ��
� �� � � � � � تباآب � ئ دم �: � آآنخ
ٹيڈ شاآ� �� �پ � آبپ models ��آ � � رر� models� �ن � � آآنخ
� �ئ �� �۔ economy�� � �ن � �� � آآ� � �
باآ� � آآوورر � آآ�۔ آآ��: � ئ �ووم �بب
�۔تباآب �وون � ئ
خر � � آآ�
خد�بير
ٹڈخدم �:�ل آآئ
ٹيڈ �پ
د�بي ٹڈخ آآ��: � �ل آآئ ر � � �ووم �بب
خآ� آآس � � � آآوورر Finance Minister Sahib���ن suggestر �۔ آ
� �م �۔ اآ آآنخخ �ئ آآس � آآع�نخ
�ئ۔ آنخ ر �� آخر� آآ�ر
خدم �:�ر
ٹيڈ �پ
يك �ف � �� � � �� ��ن � � آآئ آبپ � آ دم �! � � ��ببٹيڈ :�� �پ ر �نخ
خر� آآ�ر
خ� � � � � �� �ر
�improve economy آآووررtrade ددوو�ئ �فWe are talking about the highest bidder.
Whereas, the common person, I mean, this is my question? �ووه � آآimprove �۔��
گ�دد� آآ� ��ن � خبئ � low rateب گ�دد� � � � � economy�رر� � boom� دد� � �ن � دد�۔دد� آآنخ
خبئ ۔ب
ے � � �گ � تهسئ How do� ه
we hope to improve this?
آآ��۔ دم �: � �ووم �ببٹيڈ �پ
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Makhdoom Shahabuddin (Minister for Textile Industries): Thank you Speaker
Sahiba! Actually, this textile city is not meant for common man.
Madam Speaker: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Makhdoom Shahabuddin (Minister for Textile Industries): It is meant for a
particular, you know, class of people who resource this....
Madam Speaker: Business community, foreign investment.
Makhdoom Shahabuddin (Minister for Textile Industries): Exactly and it is
meant for textiles, not for a common man.
Madam Speaker: Yeah, obviously then they will get employment in this .
Makhdoom Shahabuddin (Minister for Textile Industries): Certainly, they will
be....
Madam Speaker: So, you need to create....
Makhdoom Shahabuddin (Minister for Textile Industries): There will be
thousands who will get employment, job employment.
Madam Speaker: Yeah, generate.
Madam Speaker: Next question. Syed Asif Hasnain Sahib.
Syed Asif Hasnain: Thank you Madam Speaker. Question No. 83.
Madam Speaker: Answer be taken as read. Supplementary.
ياآ � � ددئ � �آآبب دم �! �آآ �آآل � � � آآ� � ��ببٹيڈ �پ : آ� � 2011� آ 2012آآوورر � �
درر� �ووع � 2020�ووع � � آآوورر خدرر� � �� � د
خك � � � آآ� � �ووع � � � � � � � � � � د
تئ
� undertakingرر� � آآس � �� د� � � �آآٹ د اآش � � � � �ش ددوو�آآ ك � � � آآوورر
ت ئت� � � � �رره وو�ب
� � ۔
Madam Speaker: Minister for Water and Power.
د� � ٹاآ دش � � � �ش
تباآب ه�ي ئ
پ دم �! �ٹيڈ يڈد � : �پ � � � � � processسپيڈد �ئ
تآآ ۔ �ووع � � � � � ددررسب
ه�ر � � � اآهظوس � ancillary constructionظ
ؤپاآوورر �و باآ� � ئ ر � ��� � ئ
خدرٹ � رروود To under� ووه � � � � آآنخ
which this construction place. � آآس رھ � � � ground breakingآآووررٹدبيرٹ � � د � �آآ� � ��بب
�So the work has started. � � �آآٹوب
ؤآو � آآ� � � �� آ اآ
ت � � �� � �ئ There isآآوورر
always a penalty clause. delay � � ��The contractor always have to pay for it. Soآآ�
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they are mindful of it. � �ٹاآ Total quantum of electricity to�ے آآوورر آآس � � complete� ووه ئ
be generated would be about 4000 MW.
Madam Speaker: Pervaiz Khan Advocate
Mr. Pervaiz Khan Advocate: Would the Minister let the House know as to on
which territorial limits Basha Dam is supposed to be constructed, Pakhtunkhwa,
FATA and PATA. And what is the policy for the distribution of royalty?
Madam Speaker: Minister for Water and Power.
Syed Naveed Qamar (Minister for Water and Power): Madam Speaker, as
the honourable member is probably aware, that there has been a Commission that
has been set up in order to determine the exact limits because Basha Dam is being
constructed at annexes of various territories including Gilgit Baltistan primarily but
also Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and other areas. So when it comes to royalty. Royalty
will have to be paid according to the Constitution. And whatever the Constitution
states this will be followed once its Commission has given its final
recommendations on the exact locations and so on. However, I think as per the
design of the power houses, the power houses are likely to be constructed in more
than one province.
Madam Speaker: Abdul Qadir Baloch Sahib on supplementary.
� �رر � ����ن � � � شاآل ��نخ ر� ��ببخدم � ! � وور
ٹيڈ : �� �پ �ل (رر) �آآ�ددرر �جپ بٹ
خئخئٹيفپ �ئ
دآآ � �آآ�ٹپڈ د� ووآآئ
ٹ � �� د دئ � � آآنخ
ٹ آآ� آآس شاآل � � آآ� د اآ� � آآوورر
شد� mention� ش
ٹڈدرر د
خد� � ددھئيپ
ٹگ د
خ� � ��ئ
� � � � د� � � � � ��ببٹيك آآوورر د � � �۔ drop� � �ن � latest position� �ك � آآوورر آآئ
Madam Speaker: Minister for Water and Power.
د� ٹ � � � �� � د �
تباآب ئ ه�ي
پ � دم � !ٹيڈ �پ : � يڈد �ئ dropسپيڈد Including the dams in� �آآ
Balochistan. Some of them are to be constructed with Chinese funding and some by
the Provincial Government and some by the Federal Governments. Right now since
it was not a related question, I have not got the exact information on this status of
each one of these dams, but I can bring that and provide to the Hournable
Member.
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Madam Speaker: Mr. Iqbal Muhammad Ali Khan.
د ٹيڈ : �پ آآ�ل �� �نخ � رر� آآددآآ � ددئ � � آآ� � � �بب د� � ��� � آآنخ
ٹ د اآشم �! �آآ �آآل � � � �ش
يك � � آآئترب
خ � آآ�ر آبپ دم آآ� آ
ٹيڈ �پ � ددئ �� � ددوو�آآ ك آآددآآ
ت ئ �آآل � � � � � � ووه � KESC� � � كبب يك �آآ � آآئ
�ن۔
دم � : � � ۔ ٹيڈ �پ
آآ�ل � گ آآ� � � � رر� � �ببخد �ئ
ٹ �د اآ �ه رر� � �� �آآ� � آآ�رر
خ �ئ
تباآب يك ئ � � � آآئ : � � ��بب � �نخ
PMTs� وو�ن � � باآوو�دد � � �� � ئ رر� � �� � آآنخؤدآآبٹ د ك وو�ن � �
ت ئ آ� ددس ددس ددنخ آ� آ ووه آ ر �� � آآوورر
ٹآآر
� � � � � � � اآ� �� آآنخت � وو�ن �ررآآ �ئ ه�ره �� � آآنخ ه�ر� � �ه آآس � وو� � � � رر� � � �ه �� آآوورر
�� �۔
پاآوورر ۔ اآ � ۔� � �رر ووآآ� آآ� ئتدم � : ووه �ئ � �ن � ��ئ
ٹيڈ �پ
� � !� دمٹيڈ �پ : � يڈد �ئ � compensationسپيڈد � � � compensationآآ� � � � �رر �
rupees �compensation �آآ � � � �That is the only in terms quantum of money. It
is only 10%. �� ل And that will be given out in aووه آآددآآ �� � compensation� � 41�ئٹ
period of three years starting from earlier this year and going on till end of 2012 or
early 2013. As far as KESC is concerned, we will take up this issue with KESC and
inform them of the problem and ask them redress it.
Madam Speaker: Next question. Ms. Nisar Tanveer Sahiba.
Ms. Nisar Tanveer: Thank you Madam Speaker. Question No. 84.
Madam Speaker: Answer be taken as read. Supplementary.
� ر� ��ببخ � �ددئ � � � � question�� �رر �� : �آآ وور � � � � � آآئ آآے � آآوورر آآ�� � � آآنخ
� � آآنخ � �آآ اآخ � � � �آآ �ئ
تپاآوورر question� وو�ب ددوو�آآ � � � ئ � رر� � آآوورر
ت� � آآس � � � � آآ�آآ�ب
� � good Governance رر� �۔ � ت .Thank you�� � � � � آآ�آآ�ب
� � � �� � آآس � � آبپ دم � : آآوورر �آآ �آآل � � � � آٹيڈ progress�پ يڈد � ��بب � � �ئ
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Syed Naveed Qamar: Madam Speaker, as per parliamentary practice, the
Committee’s information is given by the Chairman of the Committee, we only
appear before the committee.
Madam Speaker: Is there any progress?
Syed Naveed Qamar: But there is a significant progress, if I may just update
you. We have had a number of meetings, where we have presented our issues and
in fact we have had three or four different kinds of presentations in front of the
Committee and we are again meeting on Wednesday to further take this issue
forward. Madam Speaker, on the question asked by the Honourable Member. First
of all. I am now forgetting some of the portion of the question. One of the question
pertains to how are we improving the governance within that. And the early
question I believe was that the whole idea is to generate more electricity at a
cheapest possible cost. Madam Speaker, first of all let me say that, that is
definitely a motto under which the Ministry of Water and Power is operating. And
the entire ambit of the policy of electricity that we give. Follows from that motto
that we want to generate more, so we give policies to generate more electricity
earliest but also at the cheapest possible cost. So initially we meet the short term
demand but then over a period of time we bring in policies, which will decrease
the price of electricity.
يك �� � � �ن � آآئ اآتيپبل � � آآظ�ع � � �ئ آ�ب دم �! � آ
ٹيڈ generationآآس � � �پ �To bring in
cheaper electricity is hydle power. يبٹ پاآوورر � � � � � � �ف �رر� � � � �آآ�ب ��ل ئ
�وو اآخر�ئ
ٹس ببر
ٹپيكئ Completionع � � ۔ � � �� شاآررے �آآ�ب � � �آآ� آآ� شاآل New Bong� �بب �
complete � � ووه � دد� �ووع �ے د� � � � start up��� � آآووررٹ د اآ
ش � �ش a number of��بب
other dams � ت � شاآ� آآس وو�ب آبپ � � آ آآنخ � � ���progress � � � �A number of other
projects. There will be more projects started within the period of this Government
than at any given time before. يك آآس � آآئ اآء آآ� شسخ � significant progress� آآب � � � � � ۔ ددوو�آآ
يك �� � � � ووه � � � � � nuclear power �nuclear power generationآآئ آبپ � 1آآس � � آ
آآ� شاآل � � � � � آآبب اآتپاآس �ئ آآوورر � � 2�ررے ئ
ٹ add � � � through�ووع � � � � �ووآآب
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nuclear power � 3آآوورر اآء آآ� � � � � � � آآس � �م �ئ � �ررئ ground breakingآآس � 4آآووررشسخ� آآب
existing� دد� �۔ آآس � شاآ� شاآ� �ررئ � quadrupleآآس � nuclear generationآآ� �ص � � � �
generation � پ�� � �آآ� � � � � �ف � � آآنخ invest� �Through public� � رر� � � �ررے ئ
sector as well as through private sector. � � رر� � � � � capacity� آآنخ ووآآ� � � ووه
incentive wise � � � � آآنخ آآس � cheaper fuels� � �آآ آ� آآ�ل � رر� � � آآ�ل � � آآ� ��ر� آ
replace �� ياآ � � boiler with coal generated �� � � � � � �� � cost of generation� ددئ
ياآدده � � �آآس � � measures�م رئخاآ � � � � � � � � � � آآوورر � ر
ت phase out� � رر� � ئ
ك ددوو�ے � � � � ۔� � وو�ن � �� ۔تدم � � good governance�ن ئ
ٹيڈ � � � � رر� � � �پ آبپ آ
� � �professionals ووه �م �ررئ � �distribution companies �induct �� � �وو�آآم رر� � آآنخ
�Not only at the CEO level but also at the CFO and CEO levels يك اآ � آآئت culture changeئ
آ �� �� آآ� � � business as usualآ رر� � آآوورر آ شاآل � � وو� رر� � � وو�ن 60� رر� � � � � آ
يك آ � � آآوورر آآس � complacencyآآئ � shakeup� � آت There is a need to change�� � � �ووررب
and we �اآء آآشسخ .will be changing it very soonآآوورر آآب
اآ�رر ت �آآ� ئ دم � : �آآبب
ٹيڈ �پ ��بب
� �� �ه رر� �ن آ�بيپبل � ��بب دم �! � آٹيڈ اآ�رر : �� �پ
ت �آآ� ئ آآ�رر about a two months back�آآبب
� � يبٹ � �آآ�ب ياآ � � � � � آآنخ آئ آ � � CEO� آآ�رر يبٹ CEO�� � � � ���� �ن � �آآ�ب
آ� � �م � رر� � آآس � آتياآ � آآس وو�ب ر� � � CEOs� �� � آآوورر � worst� �ئ � � ئ
خ � � �ر � �� � آآنخ
� � � �ررے آبپ د � �آآ� �� � ۔ ددوو�آآ �آآ � �آآل � � آٹ �ررد كبب آبپ آ پاآوورر پكوو � ئ پكوو � � � � ئپئيپ ئپئيپ ياآ پكوو � ئ � ئپئيپ
�آآ� � بٹخپ�ب � ئ باآ� � � � � آآنخ �آآ� ئ بٹ
خپ�ب � ئ آبپ capacity� � آ � � آآوورر � �� آآنخ � آآس � � آآنخ
� ووه آآ� بٹخپ�ب پاآوورر ئ � ��آآ ئ بٹ
خپ�ب پاآوورر ئ � ��ئ ئ بٹ
خپ�ب پاآوورر ئ � دد��ه capacity� ددوو�ن �� � � رر� ۔ � ��رروو ئ
ووه � رر� تآ� � رر� � � رر� � � آآس وو�ب باآ� � �ف آ باآ� � � رر� � ئ ددے 70� � � � ئ بٹ
خ�شئ
رر��۔
Madam Speaker: Minister for Water and Power.
Syed Naveed Qamar: Madam Speaker let me answer the second part first because
that immediate � � � � � ت�� off and on � وو� � � � ��ئ � آآوورر ��رروو � � � � ددررسب
� باآ� � آآنخ �ئ �ررئ � � � � � � آآس � ووه initially� � � � � �۔ باآ� � �� � �ئ � ببب �
generation ووه � �four times ياآ five times per MMCFDئ ٹ ووه �� ووه �ووآآب � � � reduce�� � آآبب
باآ� 48� � �ئ � �� آآبب بٹخباآرره �ه 23�شئ پ�� � ئ پاآوورر ئ � � رر� � � آآس � � � � رر� � � � ئ بٹ
خ�شئ
� � � � رر� � � آآنخ بٹخباآ� � � � � efficiency�شئ So it is not matter of only providingئ
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them with that fuel, but also improving the efficiency of the plant � �آآ ياآ اآ � آآ� � � ئتئ
ياآدده رئخآ� � � ر � electricity produce��ر� آ پكوو � � ئپئيپ ياآ � ئ پكوو ك آآ� � ئپئيپ
ت as far as I� �۔�ن ئ
know � �رر While I was coming here, which would perhaps passed aآآ� � �
resolution for dissolving PEPCO �I would say that I am presuming it has already been
done but if it is not been done it will be done some time today or tomorrow. كت�ن ئ
� CEOsآآس آآ� � � � � يبٹ ياآ � � � دد� �په�ي � � � � � � وو�ن �آآ�ب ياآ آآس � �ئ � � ئ آئ � � رر� � آ
� � يبٹ �آآ�ب � ووه رخ�خ�شيس باآ� � �ررئ �رر�ررب ئ يك CEOsآآ� � �� � performance improvement� آآئ
�There is no reason � ياآ آئ آ پاآوورر � � � ووه � �� � ۔ آآبب ياآ � �ن � replaceم � �م � ئ � �� � ئ
� � � ياآ That will depend on the people that have applied and who might beئ
selected and then at that point in time there is a Cabinet Committee on
restructuring that will have to assess that what is best for that particular DISCO, or
what is the best for that � �CEO ياآ ئ آ� � existingآ آ� � � � �� آ ياآ ئ آ� � So, all thoseآ
things are obviously subject to what is on the table.
��بب دم � : ررآآ� � آآ� �نخٹيڈ �پ
دم � !ٹيڈ : �پ � ررآآ� � آآ� �نخ
ٹپاآررب � �آآل � � �آآل � ئ ر� ��بب
خ وور � � � 2�آآ ياآ � current CEOs� �ئ
criteria يك � � � transparent� آآس � �� � � آآئش
� �آآررس �� آآ�رر � � رر� � �� �� � � �ئ آآنخ
� � � ۔ transparent� � � آآ� � �� �� � �� � � � �� � � �ج �
پاآوورر دم � : � � �رر ووآآ� آآ� ئٹيڈ �پ
� � آآس � � ووآآ� � ددوون � � رر دم � � �� �ٹيڈ �پ : � يڈد �ئ advertise � � � �Honourableسپيڈد
member from Jamshoaro has said. آآس � � based on that a number of peopleآآوورر
applied. Then not only did we shift through it in the Ministry م� � � �Boards of
Directors شاآررئ � شاآررئ � �applications �They will be shifting through these applications
also and based on the criteria given to them in terms of experience, age and
knowledge of the sector and so on يك short list � ��And that short list will thenووه آآئ
be sent to the Cabinet Committee on restructuring which consists of a whole
number of members of the Cabinet يك آآئ � �open hearing � � سبب short listedآآنخ
members آآوورر دد� � � � آآنخ �If they desire � �� � آآ�وو� � And then a finalآآنخ
selection will be made and then this selection will be sent to the Prime Minister for
his final approval. So � آآس � �stages � �I would think by and large we should not
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get any body who is really not up to the mark in this kind of a process � � � � ووه
د�رر� � � � � � آآ� � prerogative�ف � � ٹ So it is a huge shift from� دد� � CEO� ووه د
there.
Madam Speaker: Next question. Justice (R) Fakharunnisa Khokhar sahiba.
Justice ® Fakharunnisa Khokhar: Question No. 85.
Madam Speaker: Answer be taken as read. Supplementary.
باآررے � د� � ئٹاآ دشر� ��ف � � �آآل � �ش
خ About launching an approval�(رر) �آآ�ء �� : �آآ وور
of Bhasha Dam � آآس � � �� repayment� � آآوورر rate of interest� آآس � � �ن �ن � �نخ
ر�خك � آآوورر آآس �� � ر
ت ئ ددےددئ � entire affectees �compensation� � � آآس � acquireكبب
باآ� ياآ آآ� دد� � � ددوو � ئ � � ئ �۔ missingآآس �آآبب
پاآوورر � �رر ووآآ� آآ� ئ يڈد � ��بب دم � : � �ئٹيڈ �پ
Syed Naveed Qamar: Minister for Water and Power, Thank you Madam Speaker په�ي �
� � � � �The loans have not been contracted as yet. So the issue of what are the
terms of loans the interest the terms and so on has yet not been finalized . We
have had indications support from the Asian Development Bank from USAID from
the Islamic Development Bank and so on and then subsequently they will also be
supplied credit and so on. Right now whatever money is being spent from our own
PSDP � � ددے ددئ � ك آآس آآ� � � � � � سببت No. I had just answered that question�ن ئ
earlier that about 4 billion rupees worth of land acquisition and compensation has
been given, however, the total quantum set aside is 41 billion. So you can see
that there is still a lot of land acquisition that is to take place.
Madam Speaker: Before I take next supplementary
� ددے دد� �۔ PIPS�آآ � � � آبپ گ � � �ئ آخ � �ئ
Syed Naveed Qamar: (Minister for Water and Power), Tomorrow Madam Speaker.
Madam Speaker: Don’t say that. It is going to take time so you look into it.
Syed Naveed Qamar: (Minister for Water and Power), I will start process tomorrow
and Insha Allah.
Madam Speaker: Because I am hoping by end of December probably they will be
done with the construction � � اآت furnishing partئ � �hopefully آآ� ووه اآء
شسخ operational byآآب
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February � � �There was the concern �probably �power connection � � � �ٹاآ So look� ئ
into it and how soon can you do it � آبپ ٠�ن �۔ commitmentآآس �رر � � آ
Syed Naveed Qamar: (Minister for Water and Power), Madam Speaker, as you
know this is a project that one has gone through various stages and anything that
strengthen parliament is something that should have a high priority in this country.
دم � : ��ررئ �ٹيڈ �پ آآ�رر ��بب
دم � : � ��ررئ �آآ�رر ��ببٹيڈ ۔ on supplementary�پ
بل � رے �ئٹ � � آآ� � � ببر اآ �� � آآ� � م � ��بب
خ � �ئ
خدم � ، � �ص
ٹيڈ �آآ�رر ��ررئ : �� �پ � �بب
د رر� � آآس � �ٹڈخد�ئ
ٹياآ �� �� د ۔ � ��ر� � رر� � ئ
( �� � � تد� � � �آآررب
ٹ د �� � آآوورر �بب
تدم � � �� �آآررب
ٹيڈ ( آآس �� � �پ
ياآ دئٹڈخ آآئ ببب ب� � �� �رر� � � � � رروو� ئ پاآوورر � � �وون آآرربب ل ئ
ٹپخ �آآ�رر ��ررئ : � � ررئيئ د� � �� 45�بب
ٹد
ر� � خ � آآوورر �رره آآ� ر اآددرر � آآنخ
خدوو ئخاآدشد� � �� � � �ررئ � 65� آآوورر � ش
ٹ lack of شاآ�ن � �� ��رروو آآ�ك د
political will � �� كت ئ آجب ياآ � وو� � � آآس � � � آ ياآ � �� � �ن arrange � ئ دئ
ٹڈخپاآ� آآوورر � آآئ � �ئ
� arrange �� � Hydro Electric Power باآ�ن � � � ۔ اآ� � � � � ئت ئ
پاآوورر ۔ د� � : � � �رر ووآآ� آآ� ئٹ د �بب
يڈد � : �آآ �ل � .There is a very very unfair comparison � �ئ � آآرر�ن ت � جكوو�ب پاآوورر ل ئ
ٹپخ� ررئيئ
But, yes, it is a matter of fact that in order to buy electricity, youرروو� �� � �
had to pay money. Whereas, �رر� � ، � � � � �آآل � �آآببتباآب ئ آبپ س � آ
ٹپيكئ � ��ل �آآ�ب
اآرر� � � �ت � ئ پاآ�نخ ئ يڈد اآئ
شس �ووع �� ش
ٹپيكئ � � � ��ل �آآ�ب
ت�رر� � � � � � آآس �رر� � وو�ب
period � �� �ن ۔ � �� � � � � ��ل � ووهٹس �ررب
ٹپيكئ priority in the past � آآ� ��ل �آآ�ب
اآ ش �ش آبپ � �� ۔ آ
ٹس � �ررب
ٹپيكئ آددھ �آآ� � � آآ� � � � � آآوورر �آآ�ب يك آ � ددئ � � دد� �� � ۔ � آآئ
And there is a whole list of projects that ��� دد� � ، � � دد� � ، � �ررئ دد� � ۔ دد� � ،
are starting up in this including some that were, infact, signed day before
yesterday in Governor House Peshawar. آ�بيپبل � � � � � I would like assure him � آ
� پاآ�نخ � � � �رر� � ، � ئ يبٹ ے ووه � �آآ�بت there � � � �رر� � ، � � � � � � � �شكئ
is about seventy sites that have already been identified and, Inshah Allah, we will
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make sure that all of those sites are developed and then Hydro Electric Projects are
put up in all of them besides smaller ones that will be put up in all other areas of
the country.
۔ و ��ببؤپاآو � ئ آ�بب د� � : � آ
ٹ د �بب
� و : �� �ببؤپاآو � ئ آآ� �نخ آ�بب آ وس � � �بب
ؤ � آآ� � � �رر� �و اآ �� � �� � ��بب
خ۔ � � �آآل � �ئ
sign � ر دد� � �آآلخ � � فگررر آبپ آ د� �آآ� � 78�� � ، �
ٹ storage capacity point six � � �آآ د
seven six � � � � It is 1.2 million acre feet. آبپ ياآ � � � �� �� �ن � �م � آ � � فگرر ددئ
آآس � �� � �آآ �آآ � آآووررت � دد� �دد� ۔ � �آآ� آآ� �ب آبپ ياآ �� آآس progress � � آ � �رر� ۔ � � �ئ
رآآ�خدبيرٹي �رر� � ۔ آآس � � آآ� د
ٹ ب�ي ياآ � آآس � �بيپ � �ئ آبپ باآررے � ۔ آآ� آ باآررے � � ئ اآ � ۔ � آآس � ئخ � �م �ووع �ئ
ياآ � آآ� � � � � ۔ ر� � ئٹآ� ببر ك آ
ت ئ � �� � � �م كبب
پاآوورر ۔ د� � : � � ووآآ� آآ� ئٹ د �بب
Syed Naveed Qamar (Minister for Water and Power): Sir, the honourable Member,
who has been my predecessor and I have the most respect for him, perhaps his
information might be more accurate than what has been given here. I will certainly
check into that and if that happens to be true, then we would take people to task
for providing incorrect information. But, nevertheless, it depends on how the final
design comes about. And if the final design requires larger storage, then perhaps,
that is what would be done. As far as the entire time table, I certainly will inquire
about it and present it to the honourable Member.
د� � : آآگ� �آآل � ص�ج آآ�� ۔ ٹ د �بب
�آآل � ۔ 87� ص�ج آآ�� : �� � ��بب
Madam Speaker: Answer be taken as read. Supplementary.
د� � : � ص�ج آآ�� ۔ ٹ د �بب
�وون � ص�ج آآ�� : آآس �آآل � � � � � خگ � ، آآس � � ددووررآآ� � � ع��ن � ۔� آآ�
خد�ئ
ٹ � �� � �د � آآنخ
گ � خد�ئ
ٹباآ� � �د د� � وو�ن � ئ
ٹياآ � � � � �ن � � �آآ� � � ع��ن � ،� د ددئ يك � �آآبب � آآئ
آ� آآوورر ددس � � � رر� �� ، � ددوو�ے � ع��ن � � � آ آبپ گ �� � ۔ آآس � � وو� � ؟ ددوو�آآ آخد�ئ
ٹك �د
ت ئ
� رر� � آآس � � � آبپ �ر آٹ � دد� ۔ آآس � ع�ووه � � �پي�
ت� ۔ � � ووه � ��ن � � � ، � آآس � � � وو��ب
باآررے � � �� ۔ آآس � ئ
د� � : � � ٹ د پاآوورر ۔�بب �رر ووآآ� آآ� ئ
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: � يڈد I have lost that because there are a lot of questions that have been � �ئ
asked. � � �گ �ررخد �ئ
ٹ I believe that KESC is following � �آآل � � � �آآ� � � ع��ن � �د
a different principle of load-shedding whereby they say that whichever area gives
them better return in terms of losses as well as paying of bills, they provide more
power to that particular area and this is according to them a commercial decision
that they have taken and it is perhaps working out for them. As far as the issue of
having different rates for different parts of the country is concern, that is
absolutely incorrect. There is a single rate for the whole country. It is true that
NEPRA notifies different rates for different DISCOs all over the country. But, then,
the Government, through its own budget, gives them equalization in form of a
subsidy. And, in fact, that is a subsidy which has run up the entire circular debt
of the country whereby the differential between the rate of the most efficient
DISCO, which in this case, usually is the Islamabad IESCO and the rates of other
DISCOs which are then to be neutralized by this subsidy have historically run into
something over a hundred billion per year. As far as the issue of changing the
meters in the country is concern, yes, I think there is a subsequent question also
on this issue that we do intent to bring in smart meters and smart transformers.
Ultimately, we have to do away with the kind of pilferage that is going on in the
country.
۔ اآ� ��ببخ ئ د� �: �ددآآرر �بب
ٹ د �بب
ووه �� � � �� �� � آآوورر رے وو�ے � �� � � ��نخٹ �شاآ� ببر � ، �� نخ اآ� : �� �بب
خ ئ �ددآآرر �بب
باآررے � � � � ووه � � �� � � گ � ئخد�ئ
ٹاآ �ن � �د
ت � �آآل �ئ � �� � ۔ � �بب �ررے �ن ��نخ
آبپ آآس � آ ياآ �� ئ اآخر�ن � �� �ئ
خ � ر آآنخ � آآبب
ت � � ��ب گ � ۔ � � � ��نخ
خد�ئ
ٹباآرره � � �د �ر �ن � ئ
شآآك�
ر�� � � ۔ خ ر
تياآب � � � شاآ� �م �ووررئ آجب باآ� �� �� آ �گ � �� رر� � ۔� �ئ
د� ٹ د پاآوورر ۔ �بب � : � � �رر ووآآ� آآ� ئ
� � �� � � � رر� � ووه � آآوورر � ��نخت آآس وو�ب س
ٹپيكئ يڈد � �آآ�ب اآئ
ش � � ش
شيڈد � : � �ئ �آآررس � �ئ
گ � � � ۔ آآ� � � � �ررئ ,In terms of transmission � رر� ۔ خد�ئ
ٹ� bottlenecks وو�ن آآ� �د
� transmission lines � � ت� different directions وو�ن �� �� � ووه � �رر� ۔ آآس وو�ب
� � �� � ووه � � رر� � دئ � �نخٹس جپ� رر� � ،آآس � ع�ووه � ، � ددآآددوو �آآرر �� � آآوورر د
ٹپيكئ � plus �آآ�ب آآ�آآنخ
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آ ر � � ۔ ووه � � � آخياآر س � � ��� � آآوورر actively رر� � �� آآ�ئ
ٹپيكئ � � ددوو �آآ�ب �آآ� � رر� � ۔ آآنخ
� � يك آآوورر �آآ� آآ� شاآل � ��� � ۔ آآس � شاآ� شاآ� � آآ�آآنخ further one thousand megawatt آآئ
electricity �ووه � � �� �� �رر � primarily � ئ� تپ�� �ے � آآوورر آآس � � � �ووررب �� � � سپ
there has been a demand to bring in a transmission line through D.I.Khan which, if
needed, will also be put in. �� بل دئٹ د
تپاآوورر � � ظاآ�ب � � ئ س � ووه � آآس � ع�ووه ��نخ
ٹپيكئ � �آآ�ب
underway and that will also start producing electricity. So, Inshah Allah, � � � �آآ
� اآ � � � � ��نخت because of terrorism, our power pylons � � �وورر �ئ �آآ دد� �� �
اآ �تآ�ئ آ شاآ ي�رآآ آآس � � آآ�ھ� آآوورر in different areas. So, there, we also need the help of the
local people to help us in protecting our installations over there.
�� ۔ ياآ� ررح�نخ د� � : ئٹ د �بب
� آبپ � آ ۔� ��بب : �� � ��بب ياآ� ررح�نخ once again I would like to deliberate on�� ئ
the dams being built by India, we are not yet clear � � ببب د� �ٹبگ�ييهاآرر د يك 05-2004� ب � � آآئ
ياآ �۔ International Court of Justiceآآ� �ووع � � � ياآ � � � � ددئ دئٹڈخ آآئ � آآوورر پاآ�نخ ئ ياآ � � آآوورر دئ
ٹڈخ� آآئ
پاآ� يك � � ئ � � ۔آآئ ياآ � � � ددئ پاآ�نخ � � � ووه ئت � آآس وو�ب delayed approachنخ
ٹ � �ررب پاآ�نخ � ئ
آف � � ، � د� � � � ، �ررآآ delayed approach� ۔ � delayedآٹياآ د دئ
ٹڈخ water stoppage�� � ۔ آآئ
آآ� � آآس � � � شاآررآآ � آآوورر اآت kindly can you make us clear what is the issue� ۔ آآس � �ئ
really. ۔
پاآوورر د� � : � �رر ووآآ� آآ� ئٹ د �بب
Syed Naveed Qamar: Mr. Speaker, let me be very categoric on it. First of all
there have been three major, major meaning about which size hydro electric
projects built by India on the western rivers. One was Baglihar, other is Krishin
Ganga and the third is Nimoo Bazgo.
بگ�ييهاآرر � � court of arbitrationب ياآ � � � � ددئٹ India may continue with that� �۔ � �ررب
project. گخ � � گئ we have taken up this and only this year Mr. Speaker and I don’tاآ
know why this atmosphere has been vitiated by those who don’t want to see
Pakistan succeed that when the court gave a specific order, and I have got a copy
of the order here with me, if somebody wants to look at it, to India to stop any
work on the river belt where there may be a diversion of water from that area ببب � �
ٹك �ررب
تياآ وو�ن � �� � �� � �ے � ۔ arbitration �processئ دئ
ٹڈخك آآئ
ت ئ بب
ت so we are� � �� ب
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not late as far Krishin Ganga is concerned, we are very much on time and we are
fighting out that case and In Sha Allah we will get the victory at the end of it. In
the meantime we are continuing with our own project which is the Neelum Jhelum
which is built on the same river and built on using the same waters downstream of
Krishin Ganga. As far as Nimoo Bazgo is concerned, we are going there to
challenge that also but this challenge frankly should have come a lot earlier than
this Government started it. ۔
� تر � � �آآ�ب
خد�بير
ٹڈخآف آآئ د� � : � �ئ آ
ٹ د we are deferring for next rota day. Question�بب
hour is over. Leave Applications.
LEAVE OF ABSENCE
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Ch Ghias Ahmed Mela, MNA has requested for the grant
of leave for 14th and from 16th to 18th November, 2011 due to personal
engagements. Is leave granted?
The leave was granted.
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Dr. Nafisa Shah, MNA has requested for the grant of
leave for 16th November, 2011 due to personal engagements. Is leave granted?
The leave was granted.
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Mr. Jamshaid Ahmed Dasti, MNA has requested for the
grant of leave from 16th to 18th and from 21st to 23rd November, 2011 due to
personal engagements. Is leave granted?
ranted.The leave was g
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Mr. Deputy Speaker: Pir Muhammad Aslam Bodla, MNA has requested for the
grant of leave for 21st and 22nd November, 2011 due to personal engagements.
Is leave granted?
The leave was granted.
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Syed Zafar Ali Shah, MNA has requested for the grant of
leave for the whole current session due to illness. Is leave granted?
The leave was granted.
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Dewan Ashiq Hussain Bokahri, MNA has requested for the
grant of leave from 21st to 24th November, 2011 due to illness. Is leave granted?
The leave was granted.
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Pir Syed Fazal Ali Shah Jeelani, MNA has requested for
the grant of leave from 21st to 25th November, 2011 due to personal
engagements. Is leave granted?
The leave was granted.
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Mr. Liaqat Ali Khan, Parliamentary Secretary, has
requested for the grant of leave from 21st November, 2011 till the conclusion of
the Session due to visit abroad. Is leave granted?
nted.The leave was gra
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Mrs. Farhat Khan, Parliamentary Secretary has requested
for the grant of leave for 18th November, 2011 due to illness. Is leave granted?
The leave was granted.
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For Information:
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Mr. Moula Bakhsh Chandio, Minister for Law, Justice and
Parliamentary Affair has informed that he will not be able to attend the Session on
21st November, 2011 due to official engagements.
�� � ۔ آآ�� ��بب ر � � � � � ۔ �ووم �ببخدررر
ٹآررد آف آ د� � : �آآ� آ
ٹ د �بب
POINTS OF ORDER
Makhdoom Shahabuddin: Thank you very much Sir. You were not in the Chair and
the honourable Speaker was in the Chair, I had made a commitment that within
fifteen twenty minutes I will give little information to this august House because
honourable member from there you know asked about the textile city. So the
question was Sir, the supplementary question was that in all you know there are
about 1250 acres and how many plots are there and how many been sold and
what are the rates.
So I would like to submit over here Sir, there are about 277 plots, nothing
has been sold so far because the moment we supply the textile city with
electricity, with the power, then people will start buying Sir. And how about the
rates Sir? Sir, an acre, a plot you know which is worth five acres, the price is 21
million Rupees per acre and if it is from five to ten acres, then the price is 20
million per acre and if it ten to fifteen acres, it is nineteen and a half million
Rupees per acre. So that’s the break-up. Now as far as, now Sir, there is a sport
industry also. For example people are making buttons and things like that. So
obviously they would like to go and for a smaller plot, it could be half an acre, it
could be one acre, it could be something like that. So half an acre, there are 30
plots, one acre there are 32 plots, two acres they are about 119 plots. So five
acres we have 96 plots over there. Thank you very much indeed Sir, that’s all.
د� � : �� � ۔ � �� ��ببٹ د .be very brief�بب
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آ� � آآوورر � � � آتباآب � � � � � � � � ئ آبپ �! � � آ �۔ �بب � � �� : � �� �بب بب
وون � ررآآوو�ئ � ٹئخاآ� �ھئ
ترئٹ آآر �� � گ � ووه � � �� � ۔ آآبب
خد �ئ
ٹك � � � �د
ٹيسپ دمئ
ٹدرر� � � د
خياآ � د دئ
ٹيڈ �پ
آآوورر available� �ررآآ � � آآس � آآ�رر � آآ�رر � �ررے باآررے � �م � � � ئتباآب � � � ۔آآوورر � � آآس ئ
� � �۔آآنخ ��دد � ��بب يڈد �ئ ۔ � � � پاآرر�ئ ��ئ ئ �ل � �ن � � آآوورر �آآ � آآ� � ��بب
�� � � ررآآوو�ئ � �گ دد�وون � � � ۔� آآ�شاآ� �� �آآبب آآوورر اآ� � � �ل � � خ � � ئ
تآآس وو�ب
رر� �ن ه�رآآ باآرره دده � � ددووئ يڈد � ��بب آآس � � �� �رر � � ۔ �ررآآ ررآآوو�ئ � ، �ئ ياآ آآوورر � � � � ئ آجب آ ياآ � � رر� � ئ
� � آآوورر �تگ � مئبپ
خد �ئ
ٹياآ �� � �د گ � ئ
خد �ئ
ٹے � ۔ � � � � �د
تشكئ دد�� � آآوورر � آآ� ��ن � � � آآ� �آآنخ
آ � �� باآدد � آ آئ � � ررآآوو�ئ � �گ �ش �� � ووه آآش�م آتاآب
خ وو شكپ
ت �� ۔ protestآآ� ��ب
يڈد � � � �۔ � �ئ يڈد � ��بب د� � : �ئٹ د ۔ �بب ��بب
Syed Naveed Qamar: Sir, obviously I am not aware
�exactly ياآ � �آآ� �آآ � ۔ � � they are getting closer to winters, so overall� آآ� �آآ � ئ
ك � ٹيسپ دوومئ
ٹاآرر� � � ۔ � ررآآوو�ئ � � �آآ � �� د
ش۔ � آآس priority � ��over all other consumerش
early stages گخ �ئ د
ٹ so let me find out, the honourable Minister has� � �� �� �د
gone out of the country because of the illness of his wife, but I will find out from
the concerned department and give you the answer. ۔
د� � : � �بب ٹ Adjournment Motions د و ��بب
ؤپاآو on point of order-� � رر� � ۔� �ئ
آبپ � آ آ� � � � آآ�� � �� �ن � آ اآخباآدد � �ئ � �ررك ئ آبپ � آ د� � !
ٹ د �بب : و
ؤپاآو �ئ آآ� �نخ آ�بب آ �بب
وس � آآ�آآؤ � وو�ن � آآ� � �� �� � ۔ � �ررے �و آبپ � آآ� � آآوورر � �� � آ آبپ ر � آآوورر � � � � آ
خر
اآ �� �ن ۔خباآدد � �ئ � �ررك ئ آبپ � آآوورر � آآ� �ف � آ
تباآب ر � ئ
خوس � � آآ�آآر
ؤرئ آآوورر �و
ٹ � � ببر � � � � � سبب
د� � : � � �� � ۔ ٹ د ۔Adjournment Motions �بب رآآدده ��بب
خرخدآآ� �آآ�ددرر �ب
ٹ ۔ د
ADJOURNMENT MOTION REG: INCREASE IN TARIFF OF ELECTRICITY RS 3 JOINT
AND 8 PAISAS PER UNIT
۔ � ��بب رآآدده : � � �� �ببخرخدآآ� �آآ�ددرر �ب
ٹ We move that the business of this Houseد
may be adjourned to discuss a recent definite urgent matter of public importance,
that increase in tariff of electricity Rs 3 and 8 paisas per unit is arbitrary, unjust
and such increase will cause grave hardship to the poor people of the country.
� باآ� آآنخ د� � : ئٹ د ، � �آآ�� �بب � ��بب دآآ� � آآ�بب
ٹ ، د ر � � آآ� آآے آآ�ل �ددررئ ��بب
خشاآ� � �ووووررر
بڈد آآ� ۔ ، � �رر � ، � شاآج ?Minister for Water and Power, do you oppose it��بب
Syed Naveed Qamar: Not opposed.
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د� � : آآس � � � ۔ ددوو�ٹ د ووه �بب د�� �� �
ٹيڈ � آآئ آبپ ۔ � � آ ه�ر ��بب آآ � � � ۔ ��ررئ � ببرر� ظاآه
�ھ � ۔
� رروو� ��ن � � � آبپ �ن آ !� يك � �بب آآئ �۔ �� �بب : ه�ر Adjournment ��ررئ � ببرر� ظاآه
Motions پاآرر� � Adjournment Motion move � � � آآ�رر� �وو �� � ۔ �رر� ئ آبپ � �� ۔ � آ
پاآرر� � �وون � alliesرروو� �� �ن � آآ� رروو� ئخ آآس Adjournment Motion move � � آآ� آبپ � � ۔ آآ� آ
آ�ه � � � � پاآرر� � precedent� رروو� دد� � � آ �� ۔ �� آآ� � �رر� ئ اآخھ � آآ� �ئ
ٹ يي � ئبئ
ر� � خ � وور ياآ آآنخ ئ
پاآرر� � � آآس � �آآنخ �! آآ� رروو� ئ � شاآ� رر� �� � � �� � � �� ۔ �ببتجكوو�ب
وس �ؤپاآرر� � � �� � ۔ آآس �و پاآرر�� ئ آآ� ئ � � � � �� �� آآوورر
ت آآ� � ووه � � � � آآ� �م�ب
باآ� جتيك آآ�آآ � �� � ، � آآ�بي ددئ � �ئ
ترب
خ � � آآ�ر آبپ دد� � � � �آآ �ل � � � آ
ترب
خپاآرر� � آآ�ر � رروو� ئ آبپ آ
پاآرر� � ئ �آآنخ آبپ اآ �� ۔ آ
خ �! � � �ئ دشكس �� ۔� � �� ۔ Adjournment Motion �بب
ٹ � د
اآرر�خد� �: ئ
ٹ د رررئ � � � � �بب
خرؤدووآآب
ٹيڈ ر� آآئ
خ ببر يڈد � ��بب � � � �ئ
تباآب ر� � �ے decide � � ئ
خ�آآ � � آآ�ر
۔ 259�ل � �وووو �ے � آآوورر يڈد � ��بب د� �� � ۔ � �ئٹ د آبپ � آ
Syed Naveed Qamar: Mr. Speaker, that is correct, this is the sixth Parliament
that I have been a member of, since 88, every consecutive Parliament I have
attended. And the tradition here is, even though the rules knows specifically bar
members of a coalition party to ask questions, but it has been tradition not only of
this Parliament but also the House of Commons as well as the Indian Parliament. So
by and large I think that tradition should be maintained over here. And this is
exactly what was decided in the Business Advisory Committee also.
د� �: � � ۔آآس �ٹ د �بب رئ � �
خرؤدووآآب
ٹيڈ ر� آآئ
خ ببر � ��بب ه�ر ظاآه � آآ� decideببرر� � 259�آآ ببب � �
convert � ��Then everybody can debate on it. � �ووآآ � � �not as moved ��your
one is the first one to move it.وووو � � � ۔� آبپ ۔ آ
ه�ر: رررئ ��ررئ � ببرر� ظاآهخرؤدووآآب
ٹيڈ ر� آآئ
خوس ببر
ؤ �و اآ �� ۔ آآ� �
خ � آآس � �آآق � �ئ � � � � � آآ�آآنخ
ش �! �آآررس �بب
� � وو�ن � �� � آآنخ آبپ آآس � � � �� � آآ� آ ۔ آآس � �� آ�ه implement� آآ� � �ررم � ۔ � آ
وو�ن � � � �آآ � �� � ۔آآ� وو�ن � � آآس آآوورر د� �� ٹآددھ � د آ �� � Adjournment Motion ر� �وووو
خآآ�ر
پاآرر� � اآ �� � � allies�ے � آآوورر رروو� ئخ �ئ
تباآب ے � ۔ 259� � ۔آآ � آآس � ئ
تشكئ �
تباآب � � ووه ئ
Mr. Deputy Speaker: I am treating your Adjournment Motion as the first
Adjournment Motion.
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!� ه�ر: �بب � �� � 259��ررئ � ببرر� ظاآه right� � آآنخ � �بب آبپ � � �دد� � � �آآ � � آآ� آ
آآس � � �ئ باآوو�دد � � � Adjournment Motion� ئ پاآس � ۔ � ئ آبپ آآ� آآ� � �ف � آ � رر� � آآ�
ياآدده � آآس � � � رئخ Adjournment Motion ر � �سبب آبپ � � آ آآ�جب باآوو�دد � � آآس � ددئ �� � ۔آآس � ئ
پاآرر� � ئ � � رروو� آبپ ياآ �� ۔آ ب�ئ � allies� � � � آآ� آآ� آآ� � ئ يك � � �ل � ۔ آآس � � � آآ�جب � آآئ
� ۔
� � � آبپ د� �: � آٹ د ووه � � � رر� Adjournment Motion � it’s the first one to moveبب
� � آبپ ر� )۔ first one آخآف ددئ آآ�ر (�رر آ ر� � � � رر� � ۔ ��ررئ �رر � �نخ
خ � � رر� ۔ آآ�ر
ر�): �� �خآف ددئ آآ�ر (�رر آ ياآدد ��ررئ �رر � �نخ ك �ئ ئ
ت آآ� �آآ� � ۔ �ن ئ
تيب �۔ � � �ن � � �ب بب
� � � ۔ �� ئتب
ش ددآآس ياآدد � � ۔ �ئ ئ � �وووو يك آآ�آآء آآس آآ�آآنخ � � � � �آآ � � جكوو� رر� � �ئ
تب
ش ددآآس
ت وو�ب
تيك آآ�آآء جكوو�ب � �م � � �ئ آبپ باآ� ۔ آ ئ ياآ ئ يك ��بب �ف آآئ
خ ج آآوورر serious question� �رر�دد� � اآ �
ت�ئ
تآ� � آآوورر جكوو�ب يك آآ�آآء آ ر� � � �ئ
خ zealously آآ�ر space� آآ� يك � � دد� guard� آآس � �� � ،آآ� آآئ
باآ� � � دد� آآ�آآم �� � ۔ ئ رآآدده ��ببخرخ � ۔ �ب
تيب يك � ررووآآب يك � ۔ � � آآئ � آآئ آآ� � آآ� � ددوو�ن � آآس �آآ� � آآنخ
ر� � ، � خاآ �� ۔ tradition�� � � � رروو� � ،� ببر
خپاآ�ل � �ئ � � � آآس � ئ
تر ددووسب
خ، آآس � � �ے �ر
� � ۔ � خ
according� � �ف � � جكوو� رر Adjournment Motionووه آآس � �وورر �� � �� آآ�آآص
to traditions, according to parliamentary norms اآ �� ۔� �� ۔خاآ � آآوورر � �ئ
ت � � �ئ
� � ه�ر ��بب د� �: وو� � � آآس � آآوو� رروو� ددے ددئ � � ببرر� ظاآهٹ د we are treating it as the�بب
first Adjournment Motion �� 259ووه � � � رر� � ۔ آآ� �� � اآخد� �ئ
ٹ then they can� د
debate on it. ه�ر ��بب Move it� ببرر� ظاآه
،ررآآ� آآ� آ� ظاآررق � ��ررئ ، � آآ�ح�نخ دآٹآ� ، د � ۔ � آآوورر �ے شاآ� �آآ� � آ ه�ر: �� �بب ��ررئ � ببرر� ظاآه
ياآ آآئ يك آآ�آآء � ، �ددآآرر آآس � آآ�� آآ� آآوورر آآ� �ووررئ �� � �ئ آآوورر �� ��ه �رر � سبب آآ�ف تر �ددق ، � �ب
خر
ياآ � � � � � دآآل ددئٹيڈد �� د رئ
خ � رروو� آآ�� � �آآم � م� بٹ
خ � ! � �� � � � �ب آ� �� � ۔ �مله � � �بب آ
� � �ل � �ررررووآآ� � ددس ت � ۔�ررئ ددرر�آآسب
تب
شبل ببررددآآس اآ�ئ
خيڈد �� ئ رئ
خبل آآددآآ � رر� � ۔ � م� گ � �ررئ ئ
خد� ئ
ٹ� � �د
ياآ �� ۔ �� ۔ suspend� آآوورر رروو� � ر� � �ئخيك آآ�آآء � ر � � �ررئ آآس �ئ
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Minister for Water and Power, do you oppose it?
Syed Naveed Qamar: Sir, I don’t oppose the Adjournment Motion.
يك ددوو�ئ � � ۔ � �رر �� �� د� �: � آآئٹ د .is going to move it�بب
� ��ن � � � � � ۔ آآس � ررآآ� � آآ� � ۔ ��: �� �بب �� �ررتهب ره
خرخ � ب آآوورر آآ� اآ �دد
خ ررآآئ ، � �نخ
يك آآ�آآء � �� � ۔ �مله � � � �� ر � ۔ � آآ�� آآوورر آآ� �ووررئ �� � �ئخدد�ن �ددق �� � ۔ � �ررے �ر
� ۔۔۔۔
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�ء) دآآنخ
خ (آآد
۔ يڈد � ��بب د� �: � �ئٹ د �بب
Syed Naveed Qamar: Sir, while not opposing it, I would just point out that the
name of the honourable member Raja Asad has appeared in both the Adjournment
Motions, which is not proper, it has to be dropped from one of the Adjournment
Motions.
د� �: � آآس � دد� �ٹ د �ددق �� movers � ۔ آآس � � �بب
تهب ره
خرخ آآوورر � ب اآ �دد آآ� ��بب
خ we are� ررآآئ
clubbing it. Naveed Qamar Sahib, you want to convert it into 259? OK. We have
admitted the Adjournment Motion and the date and time for discussion will be fixed
later on.
آ� � 3آ ياآ� ررح�نخ Calling attention notice�س ئ
دد�۔ ترب
خ آآ�ر آبپ �وووو � � آآگ آ اآ�رر ��بب
ت: � ئ ياآ� ررح�نخ �� ئ
Mr. Deputy Speaker: I think we will take it tomorrow because Industries
ددے رر� � آبپ آ آ �� ۔ �ددآآرر �ددرر ��بب � � آ آبپ reply۔ �� آآ� � آ آبپ � prepared� رر� � ۔ آآ� آ
�� ۔ .we will defer it for tomorrow� ۔ ياآ� ررح�نخ آآس � � � � � � ۔ ئ
دررآآ خ: آآس � د ياآ� ررح�نخ آرر� � ۔ response� � آآس � make sure�� ئ � � آ � �� ۔ ددوو � ددنخ
د�ئ � � �آآل � � آآوورر �� آآ� � �۔ �ببٹڈخ � �رر آآئ يڈد � ��بب د� �: �ئ
ٹ So we can make it د
sure. � �آ 4آ د� ٹڈخ Minister for Law, Justice and Parliamentary Affairs to move�� � �ئ
Item No. 4. ��بب �ررووق � Advisor to the Prime Minister on Law, Justice and۔
Parliamentary Affairs to move Item No. 4.
THE MEMBERS, ELECTION COMMISSION (OATH OF OFFICE TERM SALARY
ALLOWANCE, PERKS AND
PRIVILEGES BILL, 2011
Mr. Ghulam Farooq Awan (Adviser to the Prime Minister on Law, Justice and
Parliamentary Affairs): Thank you Mr. Speaker! I beg to introduce a Bill to provide
for the oath of office and terms of office including salary, allowances and privileges
of the Members, Election Commission of Pakistan [The Members, Election
Commission (Oath of office, term, salary, allowances, perks and privileges) Bill,
2011]. Thank you.
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Mr. Deputy Speaker: A bill to provide for the oath of office and terms of office
including salary, allowances and privileges of the Members, Election Commission of
Pakistan [The Members, Election Commission (Oath of office, term, salary,
allowances, perks and privileges) Bill, 2011] stands introduced.
MOTION FOR THE CONDONATION OF DELAY IN THE PRESENTATION OF REPORT
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Item No.5, jee. Begum Nasim Akhtar Chaudhry,
Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Law, Justice and Parliamentary Affairs to
move item No.5.
Begum Nasim Akhtar Chaudhry: Thank you Speaker Sahib! I want to move that
the delay in the presentation of the report of the Standing Committee on the Bill
further to amend the Central Law Officers Ordinance, 1970 [The Central Law
Officers (Amendment) Bill, 2010], till today be condoned.
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Now, I put the Motion to the House. I has been moved
that the delay in the presentation of the report of the Standing Committee on the
Bill further to amend the Central Law Officers Ordinance, 1970 [The Central Law
Officers (Amendment) Bill, 2010], till today be condoned.
(The motion was adopted)
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Item No.6, jee. Begum Nasim Akhtar Chaudhry, Chairman
of Standing Committee on Law, Justice and Parliamentary Affairs to move item
No.6.
Begum Nasim Akhtar Chaudhry: I present the report of the Standing Committee
on the Bill further to amend the Central Law Officers Ordinance, 1970 [The Central
Law Officers (Amendment) Bill, 2010].
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Jee, the report of the Standing Committee on the Bill
further to amend the Central Law Officers Ordinance, 1970 [The Central Law
Officers (Amendment) Bill, 2010] stand presented.
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Item No.7, Jee, Ch. Nisar Ali Khan Sahib, Leader of the
Opposition.
POINTS OF ORDER
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�ف):تپخ آآ� (�بب د� �! ��ررئ �رر � �نخ
ٹ � �� د آبپ �آآه �ن آ
ت � �� �۔� � �رر �ن � point� �ررب آبپ آ
ياآدد � �۔� � �ئ دد� � آآ ياآ � �� � � آآ� �ج ئ � ئ يڈد اآئش ش آبپ آ ياآ۔� �ف آآس � آآ� � آآس ددنخ � � �� ددئ
يك � آآئ � � seriousرر��ن۔�دد � شاآ� � ر�آآ� ��ببخ � � وور � آآوورر
خ �ص وو � �ل پاآ�نخ � � �ررے ئ
رخياآ۔وور آآ�ئ �رر� � آآوورر آآس � �رر ددنخ ياآ۔آآبب آئ ك � آ
ت ئ آجب �� ووه � آ آ� � آآوورر � �نخ ر� آ
خ � � � �ن � � آآس � وور �آآ� ��بب
پھ� � ج�پ
working day �آ� � � � �آآ ر�آخياآ�� � � وور �ئ آ� � �ن �۔� � آ ر
خد�بير
ٹڈخر� آآئ
خ � وور �! � � �آآ � �بب
� � � � � �� � ��۔آآنخ ر� � آآس آآ�آآنخخ � ببر آآنخ ببب � � �� رر�۔� � � �م � � � آآس آآ�آآنخ � �۔� آآنخ
� ر�آآ� �ن آآس آآ�آآنخخ ، commitوور
ت آآ��ب پاآس �ے �۔�نخ ئ درر
ٹآررد آ �� � � � � �� � ��۔� �� � ��،�نخ
� � �م � � � آآس آآ�آآ� � � � �م � �، � آآنخ ��ن � ��ئ �ن � �� ��۔� آآنخ اآ �ے � آآنخخ �ئ
ٹ �� �ررب نخ
آبپ آ � � آآس آآ�آآنخ ياآ �ددئ اآشباآ� �گ � �۔� � �ش � �۔ئ اآه
ش � �، �ن � �رر� آآ� ش �ن آآوورر س � آآ � شاآ� �آآ�ه
ت � � آآس وو�ب ك � �۔� � � � � آآس آآ�آآنخ
خ آآ� ���ن � � �ئ آبپ � �� � �۔آ آبپ �۔� � آ
تيب � �ررب
�ن � � اآت �ئ �نخ �آآوو� ��بب ر�آآ�
خ وور آآوورر � �ل �شاآنخ �� دد�۔� � � ر��
خ ر آآ� � � � �رر�ل
commitment � � ۔ووه � � �� � �� آآس�� �implementation �رخ �ررے � � �م وور � ��۔�ن آآ� ددنخ
يك � � �۔� شاآ� � � � � �� �� �۔آآئترآآررب
خ وور ر
خ رروور ه�ر � � ۔�ن � ه
ترآآررب
خ � وور آآنخ � � � � آآبب ن � آآبب
� ببؤ�وون � �ن � �ب
خ � �۔آآ� آآنخ ر
خد�بير
ٹڈخ �� � �دد۔ behalf� آآئ
ٹپاآ� � آآ�ررب د� � � � ئ
خبڈ ج وو
شرآآ �س
ٹ� 95� � ببر
� آآنخ � �آآبب آآ� � آآنخ � آآ�آآنخ آآس � آآنخ �۔� ددآآرر د�خ د � � پاآ� ئ �ف � � �۔آآس �� �آآ � پاآ�نخ ئ
accountable �� � �پاآ ئ اآ�� � � ووهخ � �ئ ل accountable�۔� آآنخ
�آآ� � �۔�ئٹ �� � � �� آآوورر اآخ�ئ
� تباآب � ئ
ت ررآآب آ� ���� �ن �� �ددئ �� آآوورر � آآس � � � � � � �ن � �ے �� آ ووآآ� �آآووآآرر � �۔�دد
!� ،� �� �ببتباآب � ئ يك � ددنخ آآئ ددوو�ے ددنخ
تباآب رررآآء � ئ
خ وور اآ�ن � آآنخ
ت � آآ� �ئ آبپ accountable� � آ ��۔�آآ
� رررآآءخ وور آآنخ ك
ت ئ � � � �۔�ن � ووآآ� آبپ آ � � ��دد� � � آبپ آ � � ددنخ آآ� � � � � �ل
accountable � �آآ� �� � پاآ�نخ �۔ � � � ئ ��جب ياآ �۔� � �جب � �� وو� �ئ باآنخ رئخ � ر �آآ� � رر� �۔آآنخ
� �آآ� � �� � آآوورر � �ف �� � � � پاآ�نخ � �وو��ر � �� وو� � ۔ � ئ � �ے � �� وو� �۔آآنخ �۔آآنخ آآنخ
�perks and privileges آآ � � آجب �۔آ �آآ �آآ ��ل � �� يك آآئ � �۔� شاآ� � � آآ�آآنخ آآس � رخد�بير
ٹڈخئ
accountable, � �آآبب � �آآل �� ۔آآنخ � آآنخ پاآ� � اآن ئخ � ئ ياآ � � � ددئ ��بب اآه
ش ���ن۔ش
ش� � � �آآررس
� ���total production � � � figures� �۔� � � �ل آآنخت جكوو�ب ياآ � وو imports, �order� آآوورر ه � ددئ
� پاآ� � �رر� �۔� آآس آآ�آآنخ � �ے � � � �ررآآ �۔آآس � ئ آبپ يڈد �وورر �۔آ اآئش ش � ��ن � � �آآ �بب �۔� � آآنخ
� � آآس � دد�نخ ڈدآآخ �م � ��ف �رر� �۔� � �رر�� ج ياآ ��ف �رر� �۔آآس � � ��ن � ��ف �رر� � ئ
� آآ�س ��۔� شاآررئ �� آآ�دد � � �دد�� � آآنخ دد�۔آآنخ � � وو�رر � دد�نخ دد�۔آآنخ ر � دد�نخخآووآآر � �آآم � آ پاآ�نخ � �۔ئ
ر� خر� آآس �آآ� � �رردد � � � آآر
خ � � آآر آبپ � �رردد �۔� آ آبپ �ل � ��۔� آ � �� �شاآنخ آبپ دوو� � آآوورر آ
ٹ � � د آبپ يك � آ آآئ
� � � آآس آآ�آآنخ � �� آآووررش
��س ۔� آآس �آآبب آبپ � �آآق � ��۔� � � آ ڈدآآ � � آآس آآ�آآنخخ �ررئ �م � � �۔ج نخ
� آبپ � ! � آ �وون � � � آآ� ruling��۔�ببخ � �۔��� �۔ آآ� آبپ آ ببب � � � working day���ن � �
� �آآ آبپ �ن � �۔� آ ر� ��ببخ �ن وور آجب � rulingآ � �رر ددنخ آجب آ ر�آآ� ��بب
خ�� �� � � commit�� � وور
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ياآ � ددے ددئ �وون � �نخخر� � � � � �۔آآ�
خآ�ئ ، وور ياآ۔آآس � � � �� آآوورر �آآ آآوورر آ آئ ك � آ
ت ئ We want toآآوورر ووه � آآبب
hold him accountable, �� �آآ � �� � � پاآ�نخ ه�ر � � � آآ� �� �ے �۔ئ باآه � � �� � ��۔ �ن ئ
آبپ آ � �� آآوورر آبپ �� �ے �۔� �ف � �� آت � ��۔آآس �ج � �آآ�ب باآدد آئ � � � � � آ ر
خ � آآ�آآر ياآ �ے �۔ئ
ruling � � � � �دد � آبپ �! � آ ��۔� � �ج � � �بب � � آآ�نخ ياآدد ��۔آآ� �� � آآس آآ�آآنخ پاآس �� ��رئ ئ
ruling ن آآس �۔���
۔ اآه ��ببشد� �: � ��رر�آآ� ش
ٹ د �بب
آآس � � ��۔�ن � آجب د� �!� � � � � آٹ د اآه:�� �بب
ش � � � � �رر� آآ� ش � Monday� � آآس ددنخ
� آآس � � � �� � آآوورر آجب آآس � �ن � آ آجب � � �� ��۔� �آ ياآ �وون � � آآس � � � welcome�ررئ
تباآب ئ ه�ي
پ mathematics��۔� ياآ ئ �calculation وورر� � ��بب ��ررئ �ج � � �وورر آآ� � �۔�ئ
� �� �۔ � � �۔� �� ر��ببخ �بير اآجب
تر� � �� �۔�ئ
خ � آآ�ر ببب آ� �۔� �� � آآس � � � آ
figures �game ووه � � �۔ آجب million ton 18�۔ real figure� �۔� آت �ررئ �ووررب
ت� � آآس وو�ب
� �� ت �� � � �million ton 17.3�۔ shortage� �دد �۔شاآب
تك �۔شاآب
ت ئت�ررئ � �آآووآآرر � آآس وو�ب
آ� � ك آتل � � National Fertilizer Corporation�۔� port ئ
پاآ� quantum� ددئ �� �۔�ئٹ �۔آآس � ئ
�totally shortage � � � � ۔آآس � ددس�points � � آآوو� �ن � يڈد اآئش� floor� � ووه � � ش
statement �۔� � � �بب �ن۔ووه � 17.3دد� �بب آآوورر � � � �بب � � ددس � �۔آآس
shortage � �اآآآخآ� � آآس � � ئ �� � آ
تپاآ� � � ��� � شاآب اآآآ� ئ
خباآ� جكوو�ن � ئ ياآ �ئ � ئ
ت � جكوو�ب �بب �۔آآبب
� � آآ�س � ���۔ �رر ددنخ � ددنخ ددوو ددنخ يك ددنخ � �ووع �� آآئ آجب باآ� � � آ دد� �ن � �ئتر� � دد�ب
خ� � � آآ�ر
facts figure آ� �ررئ آ� � آ د�ئ � آٹڈخ دد� joint responsibility� شاآ� آآئ يڈد � ��بب ياآ �ئ دد وون � ئ � � �آآبب
آآس � �ووع � آجب ياآ �� � دد� � � آ �۔ � ئ
ببب د� �: �ٹ د debate � � � � �proper motion move�بب ��بب اآ�ے � ��ررئ �رر � �نخ
خ �ئ
رررآآء � ووه آآ� خرررآآء � � وور
خ � � وور � آآنخ
تباآب �وون � � وو� �آآق ووآآ� ئ
خ�ف ) : � � �ص
تپخ آآ� (�� �بب ��ررئ �رر � �نخ
باآررے � � آآظ� � ئتيك آآوورر � � � �ب ر� آآئ
خيك آآوورر وور � �دد دد� � � �� آآئ رر� � � �رر رر� � ووه آآس آآ�آآنخ
ت�ب
باآررے � �ن �ے � � � آآ� facts and figuresئ � پاآس contestدد� � � �رر �وون � �� �ے ئ
� � � � ۔ �ف � ر � � �ببخ شاآررے فگررر � � � � آآنخ �ف �بب
ت �ووررب
تياآ آآس وو�ب � �م � �� ئ بب
ر� �ببٹ � �ر آ� � � � � �ن۔ � � � �ن �بب � � آ �بب و� �آآبب
ؤدررآآو
ٹ � د
ت � � آآ� ررآآب
ت� � �ددب
� ���ن � وو� � � � آبپ آ � شباآعب ئ يڈد اآئ
ش � � � � ش آبپ � ۔ �ھ � �ف دد� � ��آآه � آ
شباآعب ئ
آبپ يك � � � � � ��� �ن � آ پ يك �� � � �پ پ رئ � �م �� � وو�ن � � �پٹ � � �ر �ف دد� ��نخ
�ل ر� � �� �شاآنخخآ� � �� �ررآآ �ن � وور آ � آآ�آآ آبپ دد� آ � � � �ن � رر� � � � �� �رر
� � �ررررووآآ� � � جكوو� ر � � � � � � � � � � آآ�آآنخخ �� � � � آآر ياآ � آآ�آآ � � آآنخ آآوورر �ء �ررررووآآ� ئ ��
اآ��خيك � � �ئ آآس � � �� � آآئ ياآ � ��بب آآ�ے � � � ئ يك �� آآوورر باآررے � آآئ آآ� � � ئ ۔ ددوو�آآ �
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آبپ اآ ���ن � �ے شاآ� آخ � �� �وول �آآئ آبپ � � � � � آآوورر � �ف آ باآررے � آآنخ ددے رر� � � � ئ �نخ
� ووتياآب �وون � � � � � �ررئ �ووررئ
خ آآ� � � دد� آبپ � 18ه � شاآ� � � � � آآ�� � � آ � � آآنخ � �
� ووه ت �ررئ � 18�ووررب
ت�وون � آآس وو�ب
خ آآوورر � آآ� ر �
خ�خ � ۔ آآس � � 17.3� ووه local industry� ئٹ� ر
خ�خٹ� � ئ
�وون � �خد � � �وورر �� آآوورر آآس � � � � � �� � � آآ�
ٹياآ � � آآس � رر�ررد ه�رآآئ درر دد� import� آآس � دده
ٹآررد � آ
� � رر� � � �تطووط � ��ن � وو�� جكوو�ب
خاآ � ددوو � � � � �
تپخياآ � ئبئ اآ � ئ
تپخ ئبئ بٹ
خپاآ� �شئ � �� � � ووه ئ
� رر� � آآوورر � تبب �ب وو �quotation Federal Government � �
تياآب رر� � �ووررئ �
ت جكوو�ب وو��
باآرر � � � � ووه � local productionآآوورر ئ باآرر ر� �ن � ئخ � � � � وور ه�ر �سبب اآه
ظ � شاآ� � �وون � � ظ آبپ آ
دد� � � � � � آآس � �آآبب اآه ��ببش �رر� ش � � �بب
خد� ددآآرر � � �� آآ�آآص
خر� � د
خ � وور ببب � � �ن � �
ڈدآآ�آآ� �خ ووه ج � �� ياآ � � �ئ ياآ آآ� ئ
ترآآررب
خ وور ياآ ئ اآ � �� آآ� � � �
خآئ � آ آآس آآ�آآنخ � ووه ه�ر باآه � ووه � � ئ رر
� ووه � � � آآ� آآ� � � �ن پاآس �آآ� � �بب � �ے ئت � 80�� � � � � وو� � آآس وو�ب � ��بٹ
دد� �۔ ��ن � دد� � � � fakeدد� � � ووه آآس � � �آآبب اآه ��ببش ش � � � �وون � آآبب د
ٹپاآس رر�ررد ےئ
آآ� � ت � � � ووه 80�آآب
ٹ آآ�ب درر � � رر� � Interior Minister� آآوورر �ن fake� � � ��بٹ
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� شاآ� � دد� آآوورر � ر � آآنخخي� س�
خئ بپي اآم � �� آآ� �� � corroborate� � آآ�ي�
خ ��ن � �آآ �� � � ئ ياآ � آآنخ �� ئ
�آآ � � � � درر � آآس � � � رر� � ��ببٹد � � � د
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ٹرآآ د
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رآآرروون خه� ه پاآس يك آآ� آآ� آآے �ئ يك آآئ � شاآ� � �وون � � آآئ آآنخ � � � � �ن � � اآه ��بب
ش�وون � � ووه آآ�� ش
� � � � رخ آآبير آآ� � آآ� آآے آآوورر آآ� � � آآ�� �� ياآ يك �ررئ آآئ يك � آآئ �ن د� ددآآرر
خ � � � � � د
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estimate ددئ � � �ے � رآآرروون � �ببخه� �� �� � �ن ه ياآ �ررئ �ررئ � آآ� ددوو رآآ � آآوو� � � ��
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رآآرر �خه� يك ه يك � آآس � آآئ ر� آآئ
خرآآرر � دد� � � وو�� وور
خه� ه ر� �رر
ٹيك � شاآر د � آآئ
ٹپاآس رر�ررد ر � � � ئ
خياآ � � � رر�ررم� ددئ
� � �آآ� � دد� � � آآوول � � � �� � � دد� � � آآنخ ر� � � � � آآنخخ آآ� � ر رآآرر
خه� ياآ � ه ئ رآآرر
خه� ه پاآس ددوو � ئ
دد� ٹاآ�� �نخ ر � � �� � � �� �ن � � �ن �رره �ئخ آآ� آآ� آآے آآ� � آآبير آبپ � رر� � � آآوورر ��ن � وو�ن آ
� � آآ� � � �ئ �ببتياآ دد� � � آآس � �آآ�ب � � �ررئ � آآ� � � ��ن � آآس �بب رآآرروون � �بب
خه� ه
اآ �� � � �� آآ�آآ خ � � � � � �آآ �ئ
خآدد� � � � �� آآ�آآص روون آ
خ � � �ر
ش � � � � �آآررس
خص
رآآ �رر �ن � � � �آآ� ٹ � ببر آبپ � رر� � � آ
ت رر� � �آآب ��ن � � � � �ن � آآ� �ھ � ددنخ
ترب
خ � آآ�ر آبپ � آ
�شاآ� رر� �� �ن۔ ت � �� � جكوو�ب آبپ � شاآ� رر��� �ن آآوورر آ آبپ آ
يك آآئ اآه ��ببشد� �: ش
ٹ د آ ��۔ important issue�بب � � � �ھ � ووه آ � ��بب آبپ � آآ� آ
� � �ببتاآ �۔� ررآآب
تآئ � آ � � �بب ر� �رر � � � � � � �آآبب
خاآه : � �� � آآ�ر
ش� �رر� آآ� ش
� �بب اآنخش �ررئ ش اآ � � � �بب
ت �ررآآ آآ� � �ررئ آ� ووه ددنخ دد� آ � �آآبب ببب � � � � � � �� � آآوورر �بب
� � تباآب اآ ۔ � � ئ
ت � � �ئ آ� � �بب � � دد� ۔ ��ررئ �رر � � آ ووآآ� �آآبب ووشاآنخ � � آآ� 259� � �رر
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� آجب �motion moveآ نخشيس �� � آآس � � آآ�كئ آ د� �� آآس � �� � آ
ٹ �� � � �ررئ � � � �وود
� � �� � � � � ووه �� � �ن � آآ� �� �ھ � � ��آآه � د � � آآووررٹڈخد�ئ
ٹ� � �ررئ د
�ن �ن � اآت �ئ
تباآب ئ شاآررے ��ن � اآ
ت � �ئ
تباآب ئ � � �بب shortage �95��نخ ببب � بٹ
خ آآ� �شئ �ررئ
د� � � ٹاآ �ن �ن � shortage�وود
ت �ئ
تباآب اآآآ� � �رروون ��ن � ئ
خ� shortage� � � � � ��ن � � ئ
بٹخپاآ� �شئ رھ رر� � � ئ
ٹ ببر
تيب اآآآ� � � � �� � � �ب
خ � � �آآ� � � رر� � �رروون ��ن � ئ � �ف �بب
اآ � وو� � � رر�خآئ آ اآ �� �ن �
خآئ م� � ووه � آ آ� � آآ� � آآ� آآ� آآے � � آآ� � آآے � �� ��بٹ آ رر � � �وو
ياآ �ررے �ن ر�آآرر � � � رر� � آآ� �م � �� � �ررئخاآ�� � � ر
خآئ �� ۔ ددوو �ررئ � � � �ررئ � � آ
شن �� � � رر� � �ن ش
شيس پاآرر� � �مئ ئ پاآرر� � � � ررئ � � � � � � � ئ
ؤكووآآب
خاآرر� � � �ن � � آآئ
�welcome آجب دشكس � �۔ 259�� � � آٹآ� �ھ � � د � �� � آ
آآ� د� �: ��ررئ �رر ��ببٹ د آ 259�بب د� �ھ � �ووع � �۔ �� �� �وو � � آآوورر آ
ٹ د بپ
�ف ) : � �۔ تپخ آآ� (�� �بب ��ررئ �رر � �نخ
�� �وو � �۔ آبپ آ اآه ��ببشد� �: �رر� ش
ٹ د �بب
اآه : � دد� � � دد� ۔ ش � �رر� آآ� ش
درر � ۔ ٹآررد آف آ �آآ� آ د� �: رر� � ��بب
ٹ د �بب
آآے رر� � : د � � آآوورر آآ� �ے آآ� � � � �ببٹرے ��آآرر �د
ٹر� �رر ببر
خ آآ� � � �ررے آآ�ر آجب �! آ �� �بب
� يك � آآنخ وس � assureآآئؤاآ�ن � آآ� �� � �و
تاآء investigation order�� � آآوورر �� decide�آآئ
شسخ�� � � آآب
� � � آبپ اآء آآ� ۔ آآ� �وورر آآ�ف � � آشسخ .Thank you Sirرر� � آآب
رآآدده ��ببخرخد� �: �آآ�ددرر �ب
ٹ د �بب
ياآ � �! �ررئ رآآدده : � �� �ببخرخدآآ� �آآ�ددرر �ب
ٹ availabilityد �نخ
تباآب � رر� � آآ� � � ئ
تيب ئ �پ
تباآب باآررے � � ئ �ئ
� پاآ�نخ �رر 18� � � ئ �� � آآوورر اآ�� � requirementئ� � �آآخ� ببررآآببرر � � � � � �م �ئ
� � �م � پاآ�نخ � verities growئ � آآنخ پاآ�نخ � � � sowing first November� رر� � �ررے ئ
ك �� � آآوورر ت first irrigation� � � � � آآ� sowing� �� ئ ر�
خآآرروون � آآوورر ��ن � دد� �� آآ� ر
آآ آ� � آآوورر � � �� � � �دد � � � آآس � � � � � آآ� �رر � � �دد رر� �� � � ووه �رر� � �م � آ نخ
� first irrigation�م � � � � ووه �� � � ��ت �ررب ه�ر آآس � � � � � � sowingه �� �� آآوورر
�fertilizer available اآ�� ۔ � �ئخوس � � آآس � � �� � �� � آآس request�ئ
ؤ� � آآس �و
�رر� � پاآس � � ووه � ئت جكوو�ب رئ
خپاآس � �� �كر ئ �
ت جكوو�ب باآ� �� �ئ ررر
خرؤي�ب پ
ٹ ��رب � �� اآخ � � �ئ
تباآب ئ
available � �اآ � �ررتدآآل � وورر� first irrigationئ
ٹ� �وورر � � �م � �ددآآ � �وورر root formation� آآس � د
� آآ� �ے �۔ yield� � آآوورر آآس � �ررئ
ر ��ببٹ سيي�� د� �: �ددآآرر �ددرر �نخ
ٹ د �بب
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: رٹ سيي�� آآ��نخ �ددرر اآ �� �ددآآرر
خ �ئ
خ �! � � �ص � ���بب ع�جب ر
خد�بير
ٹڈخ� ووه � � � abroadن � � � آآئ
د� ��� �� � �مله آآ�� � � � 259� � � � آآ� � �� � � ٹآ� آآس � د � � �� � آ
national exchequerآآوورر آآ�� �ررآآ � رآآٹد� contribution� آآس � آآس � ببر
ٹرھ � �ئ � آآوورر آآس � د
ٹ� �ررئ رربير
� transparency� �� آآوورر �ے �ل � ووه �� � �خ
آ �� � � � �� آآ�آآص � � آآس � شاآ� شاآ� آ
دد� �۔ د� �آآ�۔ � آآس � �آآببٹ �رر ��ر�� آآوورر آآس � د آبپ �� � آ
اآ �خد� �: ررآآئ
ٹ د �بب � � ��بب
� � آآجب�س �ووع �آآ ببب � پاآ� � ددنخ ر�� �� � �� � ئٹبر آ� ب � آ
تباآب ر� � ئ
خآف ددئ آآ�ر آ اآ �� � : � �رر
خررآآئ
ر�آآرر � آآوورر خ � ووه ر
تباآب � � ئ ر� � �رر �� آآس آآ� � آآ� � �۔ � آآ�س � �ددآآرر �ددرر �نخ
خآف ددئ آآ�ر آآ�رر آ نخ
تباآب ياآ ئ درر� ئ
خد� � د
ٹ � آآس � �م � � آآ� � د
تپاآرر� � ووه �ه � � �� � � ��دده جكوو�ب � � ئ ر� � آآنخ
خ � � � وور
تيب ئ �پ
درر�خ kill� د اآ
خاآ� resolve�ئ
تد ��ئ
ٹيڈ دئٹاآ� د
ت ووه آآ� � � �ئ ياآ ��دد �دد � ؛ ئ
ت آآس وو�ب � �� آآس � � � �� آآوورر
تباآب �وون � ئ
خ �ررے �آآ� � آآ� آآ� آآے � آآ� رآآدده ��بب
خرخ � � رر� � �ج آآ� �ب
تياآ آآس � �ووررب باآ� �� �� ئ ئ
د� � � � � � �خ�وون � د
خد�ئ � � آآ�
ٹڈخٹاآ� � � � ��ن �ن �ے � � � رر� � � � آآئ � � � آآ� ئ
د�ئٹڈخ�وون � � ووه آآئ
خ آآ� اآ� آآس � �� آآس �دد � �� � رر� �� � � �ن � � �ن آآوورر
تآئ ر� � �� آ
خووآآ� وور
ٹاآ � � � � � � � �ف � �� � آآس � �ے ع�� � دد� � آآ� � �گ ق � � � � �ئ آآ� ��بٹ
ببب �ررے � � � ق � � � � � يك ددوو رره � � آآنخ آ� � � � � آآئ � � approach� � ووه � � آ آبپ � � آ
آآ� � ووه آآوورر درر� � رر� � � � �ن � خد�ئ � د
ٹڈخر� آآئ
خياآن وور رئ
ٹ � دد�ر �وون � � � � �دد
خ آآ� � �� آ آ� � آ � آ
آ �� آ ياآن � � � دد� � � رئٹ � � � �ن آآس � دد�ر
تباآب �ررئ � ئ رآآرر
خه� ه � � �رر
تباآب � ئ � آآ� ��ررئ ��بب
� � آآ�س � �� �ددآآرر ��ببتباآب ووآآ� ئ رآآرر
خه� ه ياآ �رر ئ رآآرر
خه� آ� � � ه شاآ� آ ببب � � آبپ دل � �� � � � آ
ٹڈخياآدده � شكئيپ رئ
خر
� � � � آآنخ �� �� �� تباآب � � � � ئ آآ� � �گ � آآنخ رآآ
ٹر�آآرروون ��ن ووآآ� �� ��ن آآ� ببر
خد � ر
ٹڈخوئؤآآو
آآ�رره آآ� � رروو� � �ے ع�� � � � رر� � � ت � ووه آآس وو�ب يبٹ � � ررب رروو رر� � آآوورر �ه � �دد � رر� � �نخ
آآوورر آآس � ر� � رر� � خ � � � آآ� آآس �ج � � � آآ�ر يبٹ ر� � � � �� آآوورر ررب
خر� � � وور
خ �� � � � �� وور
تباآب ئ
�� � �ش � �� آآوورر � �ل � � � تباآب د� ددآآررئ � آآوورر آآس آآ� � � � �� � �ش � �� � آآس � ئ
خر� آآس � د
خوور
آبپ � آآ�ف دد� � آ آبپ آآ� � � � � � آ ر� ددآآ� ��ببخ � �دد � � �ن وور آبپ �� � � آآ�ف دد� ووآآ� آ �نخ
�� � آبپ � �� � �رر� � آ آبپ آ ببررئ � � �رر� آبپ آ اآ� � � �گ � ظ� � � � credibilityآآ� ظ
�� � آآ�ف دد� ووآآ� ۔ �نخ آبپ اآم � � � � � �آآق � آخ ئت �ن جكوو�ب
د� �: ��ٹ د �� �وو ��۔ �بب اآه ��بب
ش ۔ �رر� ش
اآ �� ��ببخ �� ررآآئ
تباآب � � � ��ن � ئ
تباآب ه�ي ئ
پ رآآ � �� �۔ �ٹرآآ � �� � �� �� � ببر
ٹاآه : ببر
ش� � �رر� آآ� ش
رے �م � � � ��ن � جكوو� � �۔ ��ن � جكوو� � �۔ ٹ � � �� ببر
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This House may discuss the shortage of urea fertilizer in the country under Rule
259.
د� �: � � ٹ د We will start the debate on Wednesday. Leader of the Opposition�بب
بل � يك ئ ر � � آآئخدررر
ٹآررد آف آ ر� � �ن آآس � � �آآ� آ
خرآآ شاآ ببر
ٹ �ووع �� �۔ � �ر ۔آآس � � � �۔ ��بب
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Mr. Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar, Adviser to the Prime Minister on
Human Rights to move item No. 7.
THE NATIONAL COMMISSION FOR HUMAN RIGHTS BILL, 2011
Mr. Mustafa Nawaz Khokhar, Adviser to the Prime Minister on Human Rights. I beg
to move that the Bill to provide for the establishment of a National Human Rights
Commission [The National Commission for Human Rights Bill, 2011], as reported by
the Standing Committee, be taken into consideration at once.
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Mr. Zahid Hamid sahib you are opposing it.
اآه : آآس � � � � � � ۔ ش � �رر� آآ� ش
ھ �� � �� آآ� �� � � �ن ۔ٹ يي � شاآ� ئبئ رآآ� �� ��بب
خ ر آبپ د� �: آ
ٹ د �بب
REG: DELAY IN THE PIA FLIGHTS SPECIALLY HAJJ CALLING ATTENTION NOTICE
FLIGHTS.
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Item No. 9. Raja Muhammad Asad Khan to move item No. 9,
calling attention of the Minister for Defence.
Raja Muhammad Asad Khan: Thank you Mr. Speaker! We invite attention of the
Minister for Defence to a matter of urgent public importance regarding delay in the
PIA flights specially Hajj flights, causing grave concern amongst the public. Thank
you.
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Chaudhry Ahmad Mukhtar, Minister for Defence to make a
brief statement.
Chaudhry Ahmad Mukhtar (Minister for Defence): Thank you Mr. Speaker! We
know that PIA was going through difficult period and we had problems. The
problems were because of various reasons. Some of the reasons were not in our
control and so we would like to oppose what the honourable Member has said.
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Raja Asad Sahib if you want to ask any question.
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دئ � � �ٹ آآ� د آ� آآے � � آآ�رر � �� � �آآل � � � آ آ�بيپبل � ��بب آ � �آآ : �� �بب ررآآ� � آآ� �نخ
ر�� �خر � � ۔ �آآ� ر
خ آآس � �م � �ے ۔ آآ� � � � �ر آآ� � آآوورر � � statement � آآوو�ن � �� �
� ر � آآنخخ�ف آآ� �ن � � � ؟ � dismiss �� � � آآر
خك آآس آآ�رر � ج
ت � � آآ� ئ
ش � �آآررس اآ ۔ �ئ آآنخ
تياآ �ئ �ددئ
رددآآرر � � ۔ �� ۔ خ ووه �� ررآآر
د� �ٹ د د� ۔�بب
ٹ : � � �رر د
۔ : �� � ��بب I think that if we take that the M.D. was talking on a ��ررئ آآ� �رر
lighter mood and �آآ �� � � ياآ �وون � � � ددئخ آآ� � � آآوورر
تباآب باآ�ن � � ئ باآ�ن ئ � � � heinous crime ئ
�ف آآ�خ � ج � آآنخ
تباآب � آآ� ئ آبپ آ� � � � � � �ن � �گ � �ن آ � � � �وورر � � � آ � �� ۔ آآنخ
So, we have taken that point well and I am sure today he will get to � �� �� ۔
know that the thing was called in the Assembly and he was reprimanded by the
honourable Members.
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Abdul Majeed Khan Khanan Khail to ask one question.
� آ� آآے � آآ� �� آآوورر � �آآل � � �آآ� � آ � ��بب � ، �آآ �� �بب پيل : خ� اآنخ
خ �ئ �آآ� �نخ �بب
اآ � ت�ر �� � �ئ
ؤاآ ددوو�ے آآئي�
ت�ر�� � �� �ئ
ؤ�ر�� � � � �� � ۔ آآ� �ددئ آآئي�
ؤآ� آآے ووآآ� آآئي� � ووه � � � �� ۔ � آ
پاآ�� �دد �� � � � � �� � � �� � �ه ئتآ� آآے � ��ب � آ � � ۔ � آآبب پاآ�نخ � ئ
ت � � � ووه � آآ� وو�ب
آ� آآے � � � � � يڈد �� � �� آ رئخ�ر �� � � � �� � �رر� � م�
ؤپاآ�� � � �� � � � آآئي� � ئ ببب � ۔ � �
� ۔
د� ۔ ٹدم � : � � �رر د
ٹيڈ �پ
آ� I would like to send these papers to you for you to see ��ررئ آآ� �رر : د � � آٹ� � رر�ررد
� which have been cleared by the Saudi Air Services. This record has not ف��
been made by any of the PIA employees. I would appreciate if you could have a
look at it �� � ف�� �� �نخ � � �آآ � � in the first five six days and to
everybody’s surprise, the punctuality of PIA, the first three days ,was more than
89%. So, the 11% flight which got late were mainly due to other reasons like
passengers not reaching that place. � ، �آ � � � آ آ� ، آآنخ � دد� � � آ رر �رر � � وو�ه آآنخ
يك � ��� � � آآئ يبٹ ئؤيك دد� ف�ب د� رر� ۔ آآس � � � آآ� آآئ
ٹڈخد�ئ
ٹ د � آآوورر � � � wheel ووه شاآ�نخ اآ
ت� �ئ
آرر� � ووه شاآررئ دد� �ن delay ف�� آ پاآس �آآ � ئ آبپ so that you can have a�� �� � ۔ � � � آ
look and the honourable Member will appreciate that. It is not the only fault of
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PIA, it is a collective problem of all the countries who operates from Jeddah during
Hajj.
� آبپ آ �� ، � � � ��ن � � آآس � د� � :ٹ د They are yes� ۔ information dusk �بب
because � بٹؤ � ف�ب آبپ �وون � �ل � � آ
خ � آآ�
تآ� � ۔ � شاآب ر� آ
ٹ � شاآر بٹ
ؤآرر� � �ئ ف�ب � � ��رر � آ آجب آ
ك ت � � �� ۔ delay � ئ آ� � �� � ۔ � آآس �� � آآنخ ر� آ
ٹ � � � شاآر آ� � �نخ � آ �� � ۔
ك � � �ن ۔ �� � وو�ن � �ت ئٹ�ر �ررب
ؤآ� � � آآئي� ر� آ
ٹ � شاآر
پاآس � � آرر� � ۔ �ررے ئ رئ � آٹ � aircraft ��ررئ آآ� �رر : � �آآ� ببر ددئ �� � average age � آآ� آآنخ
they are 22 years old. And good airlines like Ittehad and all these planes, their
average age is five years old. آ�� � ۔ � شاآ� �� �� � �ش � � �آآ� آ We are � � آآنخ
going through a very difficult period and the Government has decided that we
should lease the aircrafts rather than buy them out. � گخدد� رر� possibilities آآوورر آآس � �ئ
� I am sure once we can approve our flyings, these things will decrease
automatically.
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Malik Shakir Bashir Awan, not present. Ms. Nighat Parveen
Mir Sahiba to ask one question.
� � � �� � �وو� � : �� پاآ�نخ �آآم �� آآ� � ئ � �آآل � � � �جب آ�بيپبل � ��بب آ � �آآ �بب
� ف�� � � � آآنخت�وون � � آآ�آآ�ب
خ � آآس � � �� � � آآ� آآنخ ياآ �� وو�ن � ��دد � � �ئ آ � آآبب ووه � آ
� � �ن ۔
د� � :ٹ د ۔ �بب � � ��بب
آ� آآے � � � آ : � � ��بب employees � � � � وو�ن � efforts ��ررئ آآ� �رر � � to handle
135 thousand Hajjis آرر� � ووآآ� آ آ� �� ��نخ آ� آ آ and the number of people who � آآبب
are available to them for service has daily doubled. So, I am sure that less and
less problems will be there for the Hajjis.
Mr. Deputy Speaker: Mrs. Nisar Tanveer Sahiba to ask one question, not present.
Mr. Ramesh Lal on point of order.
POINTS OF ORDER
رر� � : � �وون � �ررے �م � �ببخ � � �� � ۔ آآ�
ترآآررئ � ۔ �آآ� وو�ب
خ ۔ � �ررئ �وو �م � ددلاآر � � ��بب
� � �� � �� �� �� � � �� دد� ۔ � آآ�آآنخ �رر � �م آآ�م � ددوو پاآ�نخ ئ �م � � �ررئ �وو ياآ آآ�آآم �ئ
اآ �ن � آآ� �� ت �ئ
ت�وون � ددرر�آآسب
خرآآررئ �ن �رر� � ۔ � � � آآ�
خاآم � ۔ �ررئ �م � ددلاآر
خ � ئ � � آآنخ
ش�وو آآس � �ب
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�� آبپ �وون � � آت � ددرر�آآسب آبپ � وو�ددآآرر � ۔ � آ پاآ�نخ �� � ۔ �ررئ �ررئ �وو �م ئ
تياآ � ۔ � آآس � ��ب ددئ
�نخ
آدد� �� ۔ � آ ياآ �� ��نخ آآ� �� رروو� رروو� دد� ئ آبپ رآآررئ � � � آخ � �� � � � آآس � �ررئ �م � ددلاآر آبپ آآ� آ
� ۔ تباآب �ف �� آآ� ئ
خ � ج هبب آ�� ۔ �� � � �ه ر آ
خباآر دد� � � ئ
� � � � آآس � �� د� � : � � �رر آآ�رر� �ن � � �� � � � آآنخٹ د اآم �بب
خ � ۔ آآ� � � � � � ووه آآس � ئ
۔ blame � �م �� � � ��بب � آآ� �دد� � ۔ � ررح�نخ اآ � � ۔ � �� رر� ��ببخ �ئ
وس � ��ل آآ� رر� �� ۔ � �ف ؤ � �و �بب : � آآے ررح�نخ دد� �� �ن clarification �بب ۔ �� ��بب
� � � � �آآ �ل � � آآنخ رآآجبخ � آآوورر �ے م�
ت�� ۔ � � � � � miscommunication �ے �آآ� ددووسب
اآ � � توس � �ئ
ؤ � matter � �ررآآ آآ�ف � �� � آآوورر � investigation � � �� investigation آآ� �و
personal level دشكس �� � �ٹ د آ� � آآوورر آ يك � وس � آآئ
ؤ �و .this is a national issue � � � ۔
Obviously, any agency, whichever agency is given the mandate to investigate,
investigate ل � � � �آآ � .As an Interior Minister, I just gave the assurance �� � ۔
ياآ � �وون � آآس � �� � ددئخ آآ� �وون � �ددئ آآوورر
خ آآ�
تباآب ياآدده � ئ رئ
خ personal level � it is my right to give � ر
my explanation and clear the record. � �باآ��ه �آآ ر � � آآ� آآ� � ئخي�� �ف � � كئ
خ�ے ج
� �� آجب � �ه رر� � � �ف � � � �رر�دد ددئ � ببررئ �آآ �ن ۔ آآوورر آٹ� � � �� � appreciate ررب
ر � خي�� face � � كئ ه�ر باآه � آآوورر �� �ل � � � آآس � ئ
تباآب � آآ� �� ئ
ت � ۔ � � � �ن � � �ررئ � �سب
settle �� � تيب ئ �پ
تباآب �وون personal hit � � � � � �� � ۔ ئ
خ�ف آآس وو� � � � �� �� � آآ� آآ�
� � � � � آآ� تباآب ر� �رر � آآ� ئ
خ � � ، دد� �ررے آآ�ر
تباآب آآس I think � ۔ � response � �� آآ� ئ
� ��رر� � � �تيب ے � ۔ � آآ� �رر �� � ��ل � آآ� رر� �� آآوورر � �ررب
ت �شكئ
تباآب آآ� � �� � �رر � ئ
يك باآ� �� � �ف آآوورر �ف آآئ ك � �� � ۔ � آآ� � � رر� �ن � �ئت � ددوورر ئ
تباآب � � � ئ
تباآب آآوورر � �� � ئ
� � � هبٹ �� � � � � هتباآب دآآ� ددوو�ے � شاآ� ددوو� آآوورر � � ئ
خيك د ياآ � � attack �� � � آآئ آئ this آ
is my responsibility to give the clarification. Thank you Sir.
۔ د� � : � �ددآآرر �ددرر ��ببٹ د �بب
آ�بيپبل � � رے آٹ � آآوو ررببر
ت �ے ددووسب اآ ��بب
خ � ۔ ررآآئ ر : �� �بب
ٹ سيي�� �وون � آآ� �آآ� �ددآآرر �ددرر آآ� �نخ
خ�� آآ�
ٹاآ �� �� � � � �ئتباآب ٹاآ �� � �آآ� س � ئ اآ �� �ن آآوورر �ئ
خ �ئ
خ � � � � �ص
تباآب درر � �ے � � ئ
ٹآررد آف آ آ
condemnable � � ه�ر آرر� � condemnable � ه ياآدد آ يك � ئ � آآئ ۔ � � ۔ ببررآآ � � ۔ � آآس � وو� � ��بب
ره آآوورر �ن � ��ببخ �ن ووه �� � ددررووآآر
اآ � � � � ت � آآ� �� � � ووه �ئ
آآس � � �� ۔ آبپ ۔آ د� � : � �رر �س ��ببٹ د �بب
آآس � � �� � ۔ د� � : �رر �س ��ببٹ د �بب
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��� آآس � � � �رر �س رر�ئ : �� � ۔ � �ددآآررتباآب � �� � � �� �� ۔ �� � � � ئ ��بب
correctآآس � � � ددوون ۔ووه � آآس �� � � �بب
آآوورر �ن ووآآ� ره ��ببخ �ن � �� � ددررووآآر
اآ � � � � ت � آآ� ��� � ووه �ئ
د� � : � �ٹ د ۔�بب ��بب ددآآرر �ددرر �نخ
� � ۔ � خ
باآ� � �ص � �ئ � � ۔ ددوو�آآ �� � � ئ : � �� � رر�ئ ��بب رٹ سيي�� آآ� �نخ �ددرر �ددآآرر
� خ
اآ �ن ۔� � �صتباآ� � � � �۔� آآس � آآ�ق �ئ �وون � ئ
خ رر� � �� � ووآآ� � � � � ددوو�آآ �� � ۔ آآ�
ياآ � ووه آئ � �� آآ� آ ببب پاآرر� � � آ � � ئ � � � � آ اآ ��ببخ� � � ۔ آآس � �� � � unattended� ررآآئ
result oriented� ، � � �آآ � ووه � رر� � � � خ
�آآ � آآوورر آآ� � � �صتبب اآب
شآ� � ٢٥٩ئ � � � ��رآآررددآآدد آ
ددے دد� � ۔ �� د� � �� � آآوورر � آآس � �آآببٹ د ر mechanism� � ددوو ددنخ
خآآس � � � �� � ۔ � ��ررئ �ووبير
�� � ۔تبب اآب
شد� � �ن � آآوورر � � �رر ��� � � ئ
ٹ ووه آآس د ه�ر � ۔ � آآبب باآه �� � � ئ آآ�هي ��بب
د� � : � رروو�ٹ د ۔�بب آآ� ��بب
اآخ �ئ ه�ر باآه �� � ووه �ے �ل � � ئ اآ
خ �ئ
تباآب آآوورر � � � ئ
تيب � �ب آبپ آ د� � !
ٹ د �ه � رروو� آآ�: � �� �بب
اآ � ۔ � آآ� � آآخ �ئ
تاآ � � آآوورر � � � � �� � ددررسب
خ �ئ
تاآ�ن � رر��۔ �آآ � � � �ن � � � ددررسب
شسخ� � ب
� �ن � � آبپ � آظ � � آآددآآ �� � ووه آآ�ط
ظ آآ�ط د� � !
ٹ د گ رر� � ۔ �بب
خر � �� �ئ
ٹن � آآ� � آآ� ووآآ� �� �ر
� � � ددنخ آبپ �� � � ددوورر � �� � ۔ � ددوورر � �� � ۔ آتباآب ر� ددآآ� � � � ئ
خ � � �� �۔آآ� وور
تباآب ئ
آ�ه آآ� �وودد � رره آ آبپ ردد� � �� �� � �ش �وون � � آخرخ �� � � آآس ددووررئ � ب
ظپاآس آآ�ط � � ۔� آآ� �ے ئ
� آآ� � آآس � آبپ رئ �وورر�� � ۔ آخ � آآس � آآ� دد� آآ�آآر آبپ �� ۔ � �� �ووررئ � � � �� � � � آ
تباآب � ئ
�وو ر دد� ددوو�وون � �ررے دد� آآوورر �نخٹ �ر آبپ دد� ۔آ ياآدده دد�نخ رئ
خ آآ� � آآ�� �رر� � ر ڈدآآررآآ
خ ج آبپ آ رر دد�� ۔ � آآس �
آ� � آآ درر آآوورر �ف � � �ن آٹآ� � ووه � د اآ۔ �آآ� � � آآس � آآ�ل � رر� �ن � � �گ �ن آ
خ � �آآئ
ظوورر آآ� آآ�ط
� ظ آآ�ط د� � ! آآنخ
ٹ د � � � �بب آجب آ� � ۔آ � �� � � آ
ظ آآ�ط � آآنخ آبپ ، � �� دد� � ، � آ دررے �
ٹ � � �� د
ياآ � �آآ� � ��بب ددئيبٹ � �ررآآ �ب آبپ �� �� آآوورر �وورر �� ۔� آ آبپ �وون � � �� � آ
خ � ووشاآ� � �ص آبپ آ
� ��بب بٹخدبٹيڈ دئ
خيڈ ياآ �ئ � ئ بٹ
خي�ئ ي
ٹ � شئ آبپ � �� � دد� ۔ �� � � آ آبپ ددے دد� ۔ �� آ بٹ
خي�ئ ي
ٹ � �� آآ� � شئ آبپ � آ
� آآ� آآس �ج ��ه �� ت آآ� �عب آبپ ون � ۔ آ
ؤآ� � �و آ
تآ� � � وو�ب دد� � � � � � �ن � � �گ آ
خددآآع
دررآآ �ن � � � رر�خ آآ� د آبپ ر � رر� � � � � � آ
خ � � � ۔ووه � آآ� � رر� � ۔ رر�ر آبپ آآس � �� � آ آآوورر
� � �ررك ددوون � �بب آبپ آ آآوورر �ن تباآب � � آآ� � � ئ
ش � آآ�� �رر� � آآ� � ۔ �س آبپ آآ� �م � رر� � ، آ
� آآ� � � �ررآآ �وول � �� ۔ �ئ آبپ � � آتباآب � ووشاآ� � � � �ن � ئ آبپ آ آجب آ آآوورر �
ش � � �آآررس آبپ آ
وس �ؤ � �ن آآس �و
خ آآ�ل �� � � آآ� ��رص
ظ � � آآس � � آآ�ط آجب �� � � ۔ � آ رر� آآوورر
ش �� � ��س
� �ووتروورر ��ب
خ � �ر
ظ آآ�ط يك آآدد� � � � � � � � � آآنخ � � � � آآئ آبپ آآ� آ آآوورر � ددوون � �آآبب ن � آآوورر
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� �� � �� � �ش �وون � ۔ آ بپ � � � � � � �رر� � �ج � �� � � � � آ آبپ � � � ، آ آبپ آ
� �� ۔
۔ د� � : �� � ۔ �� آآ� ��ل ��ببٹ د �بب
�� آآ� ياآ ۔ � � �بب ٹاآ� ددئ � ئ آبپ باآ� آ �۔ �ئ � ��دد� � Leader of the Opposition ��ل : �� �بب
� دد� �ن ۔ �ببش
� �آآررستڈد�ب
خ � ج پاآوورر � � ۔ آآنخ رے ئ
ٹ ببر � � آآوورر ر ��بب
خ �� � ۔ � � �ووبير اآ
خ �ئ
شيك �آآررس آآئ
� �ررٹاآررب
ش ش ياآ � اآ �� ۔ �! �ررئ
خ �آآ� � ۔ آآس � � �ئ رآآ
ٹيك � ببر � آآئ آآوورر آآس � �� � � � ع��ن � ے
� � � تباآ� � � � ��رر � �سب � ئ
تھ � �سب
ٹ يي � آآس � ��ن � � رروول � وو�ق � � � ۔ شاآررے � � ئبئ
ش
ياآدده ��� ۔آآس � � � � � � �آآررس رئخ� رر� � suffer� � � �� � � � رر� � � �ررآآ ��رر � ر
�وون � ش
� �آآررستڈد�ب
خ � ج ر � ��بب
خ �� � دد� � ۔ � � �ووبير آبپ ك � � آ
ت ئ ببب � � � �
تب
ش۔آآوورر �� �م �س
� �م � �� �ت � جكوو�ب آآوورر �بب ے � ۔آآوورر � ��ن � �م �
تشكئ �وول � آبپ آ درر�
خ د � � � �� آآوورر اآ
خن � جپ�ئ
يك آآ�ف �ي � �وول � آآس �ج �ئخدبيپٹ�وون � د
خباآدد دد� �ن � � �ج آآ� يك �آآ �� � �آآ � � آآس � �ررك ئ آآئ ددوو�آآ
� دد� �وون � � آآ� � � � ۔آآووررخ آآ� آآبب وس � � �ے �ل � � �� �
ؤ �و � اآ
خباآ� �ئ آ� ��ن � ئ آ
� � � �وو آبپ پاآرر� ، �� آ اآ رر� �ن � آآررآآ� � �ف � ، �� � � ئتپخ�ر شئ
ش ددوو�آآ � آآ ك� رر آآ� � � � ۔آآوورر
� آبپ � �� ۔ آٹوب
ؤآو individual�آآ� آ آبپ آ ببب اآم � � � �� ۔�
خ �� � � ئ �� � � � � سبب
تباآب پاآرر�ن � ئ ئ
� آآ�دد � ، ��بٹ آبپ پ��ن � آآ�دد آ � � � ۔ ئ آبپ � آآ�دد آ �ووع � � � ��بٹت � �سب آبپ آ ببب � �� � ۔ � آبپ � آ
پاآرر�ن ڈدآآررآآ شاآررئ ئخ � ۔ � � � آآ�دد � � �۔ ج آبپ � ، �� �� � آآ�دد آ آبپ nothing is equal� � رر�آآ �� ۔ آ
اآ خ � آآ� ��ه �ئ آبپ � ۔ وورر� آ
ش � � � � شاآررے آآس �ج ، � � آآ�م � � �� ۔ � � ئ �آآررس آبپ آآوورر شاآرروون � آ
اآ �ن � � � ت �ئ جب
خ � �� آآ� آآ� آآے � جپ�ي �ووع � � ، � � � 85� � �بب
ت ء � �سب � � آآوورر �ے ��آآنخ
د� � � ۔ � �� � ، � آآ� �رروون � � �� � ، آآنخٹوس � �ے شاآ� د
ؤاآ �ن � �و
ت� � � � ۔� � �ئ
تپخ � � ئبئ آبپ ر� � رروول � � آ
خ � آآ�ر آبپ رئ � ��ل � � ،� � آ
ٹ �ر ڈدآآررآآ
خاآ � � � �رروون � � �� � ۔ ج
ر� � خيك آآ�ر اآ ۔ � آآئ
خ tactics��ل � �آآ �ئ اآ �� ۔ �بب
خك � �ئ
ت � � ئ
تدآآ�ب
خاآ � ۔� ��ل � � �� �� د
ت�ئ
رئ دد� � ٹر� ددآآ� � � ��� آآوورر �ر
خي�ر� � ۔ وورر� � � � � �ن � آآدد� وور �
ٹپخپاآرر�ييمئ رے � ئ
ٹ � �! ببر نخ
شيس پ�پيكئ آآئ
� ياآدده �نخ رئخپاآرر� �ر ر� ددآآ� � � ئ
خباآ� � � ۔��� � � �ن � �ررے وور � � � �� � ۔ � �ئ � � �م ئ
اآ �ن ۔ � �� ۔ت � � � � �ئ اآ �ن آآوورر �نخ
ت � � � �ئ باآدد آآنخ �۔ � � �ررك ئ
ت آآ��ب
د� �ٹ د � �بب �� : The House is adjourned to meet again on Tuesday the 22nd
November 2011 at 5 p.m.
[The House was adjourned to meet again on
Tuesday the 22nd November 2011 at 5.00 p.m.]
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