SETTING THE SCENE

SETTING THE SCENE

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2010/08/27/college.grad.blues.cnn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-_wDwmOQ1U&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMvARy0lBLE&feature=youtu.be

http://www.npr.org/2012/01/16/145179563/do-law-schools-cook-their-employment-numbers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQsPC2n4T6Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y05HnXomG88&feature=iv&src_vid=ShliKfsLQo0&annotation_id=annotation_566398

http://balkin.blogspot.com/2010/11/my-deans-vision-speech.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/29/opinion/law-school-is-worth-the-money.html?_r=0

Debt and the Pursuit of the Public Interest Among Lawyers

and Law Students

SVHE Conference 2013

Job market

Should students expect a higher than average salary (even accounting for student debt) simply because they decided to study for 3 years when their peers did not?

Scamblogging

• http://insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot.com/ (see in particular http://insidethelawschoolscam.blogspot.com/2011_08_01_archive.html)

• http://thirdtierreality.blogspot.com/• http://butidideverythingrightorsoithought.blo

gspot.com/• http://subprimejd.blogspot.com/• … and on and on …

http://lsatblog.blogspot.com/2012/04/law-school-applicant-numbers.html

From http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2270175

Debt

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/17/business/law-school-economics-job-market-weakens-tuition-rises.html?ref=davidsegal

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/business/law-school-grants.html?pagewanted=1&src=rechp

Earnings Premium for JDs compared to Bachelors Degree: $53,300 annually.http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2270175But see, response: http://abovethelaw.com/2013/07/another-garbage-study-offering-misleading-statistics-on-the-value-of-a-law-degree/News coverage here: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/07/18/debating-yet-again-the-worth-of-law-school/

Teaching – Not Teaching?New York Times front page article: David Segal, What They Don’t Teach Law Students: Lawyering, Nov. 19, 2011

Some Radical and Not-So-Radical Proposals

• Move from 3 year program to 2 year program• Paying Students to Quit Law School (Akhil Reed Amar

& Ian Ayres)• Work Co-ops Integrated Throughout (Northeastern

Law School’s model)• Systematic Reductions in Class Size (common)• School-based Job Incubators • Reducing the Main Campus “Tax” or “Take”

Carnegie Report: Emphasis on Practice and Experiential Education in 2L and 3L Years

Traditional Law Student Model

Abandon Public Interest Commitment Sometime During Law School After Taking On Considerable Debt

Current Crisis Model

Take Whatever Job is Available After Taking On Considerable Debt

Possible Fixes

Assume Tremendous Debt?