SALSASALSASALSASALSA Cloud Panel Session CloudCom 2009 Beijing Jiaotong University Beijing December...

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Cloud Panel Session

CloudCom 2009Beijing Jiaotong UniversityBeijing December 2 2009

Geoffrey Foxgcf@indiana.edu http://salsaweb.ads.iu.edu/salsa

Community Grids Laboratory

Pervasive Technology Institute

Indiana University

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Panel Topics

1) What does cloud computing mean from your perspective?

2) How is your approach to cloud computing better than that of others? Some controversial views would be fine.

3) What is your grand vision for cloud computing and what are the major research challenges that will need to be overcome?

4) What do you think is the role of academia and industry in addressing those challenges? Should certain challenges be addressed primarily in industry? What are the opportunities for academics?

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What does cloud computing mean?

• I define Cloud Computing as “Whatever large scale computing is supported commercially”– Platform as a Service defines commercially supported software

• “Grid Initiative” produced several interesting systems/technologies but little commercial interest– Not clear how existing Grid Systems (e.g. TeraGrid) and

technologies (e.g. workflow engines) evolve and even can be sustained

• Need to build scientific computing environments around commercial best practice developing “academic” enhancements only when necessary

• Expect both public and private clouds to be useful

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How is your approach to cloud computing better than that of others?

• MapReduce++ will support a broader range of applications than current Hadoop and Dryad

• Commercial cloud solutions are very impressive and expect growing use by scientists

• FutureGrid not better than other clouds – it is helping users develop Grid and Cloud systems and applications

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What is your grand vision for cloud computing and what are the major research challenges that will need to be overcome?

• Computing Environment for Science will consist of– MPI engines for classic important large scale simulation– Clouds for large number of medium size jobs (middle of

Branscomb Pyramid)– Local machines as now

• Integration of components?Simulation on MPI engineand data processing in cloud?

• How to support clusterapplications?

• How to integrate threadingand GPU’s

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What do you think is the role of academia and industry in addressing those challenges?

• Industry will develop clouds for “sweet spots” in revenue generating computing

• Academia needs to identify role of clouds in science in both simulation and data analysis– Support of MPI and role of MapReduce obvious issues

• Probably clouds are attractive for campus (university) computing systems

• Industry and Academia should work on broad research issues in all areas of computing for the future – Location issues importance for performance (data—computer and

computer—computer for parallel computing)– Security– Simplicity – I am a bit suspicious of research agendas that complicate

clouds

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FutureGrid is a new part of TeraGrid