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Mt. Edgecumbe H.S. Aquatic Facility
Meeting Notes
08.23.12 – 08.24.12
J. Shin
Meeting with Public Safety (Troopers)
8/23/12 @ 9:00a
Sitka Public Safety Training Academy
Present:
(JH) Lt. Jim Helgoe - DPS – academy instructor, cold water training,
(LE) Cpl. Lance Ewers - DPS – academy instructor, former Marine, lifeguard, pool combat training, Red
Cross instructor, scuba, fire department, instructs Mt. Edgecumbe students for aquatic related skills
(ES) Cpl. Eric Spitzer - DPS – academy instructor, former Marine, rescue and combat training instructor
(EN) Elizabeth Nudelman – EED – Division Director
(KM) Kim Mahoney – DOT/PF – Project Manager
(DC) Doug Cook, PE – Counsilman Hunsaker – aquatic facility consultant
(BM) Brian Meissner, AIA – ECI/Hyer – Contracts Manager
(JS) Jae Shin, AIA – ECI/ Hyer – Project Manager
Features/Amenities:
• 50m pool preferred – better for actual swim duration rather than glide portions after kicking
off from walls. Underwater swimming training better due to duration and focus.
• Tower for diving/training – facilitates training in immersion suits, developing courage and
comfort with high water entry. Mid-height and high towers preferred.
• Concrete bleachers –located at end of pool for training sessions. Easy to maintain & durable.
No space under to prevent dropped articles.
• Catwalk above pool – for suspension of ropes and other training props
• Cupola – for natural light and ventilation
• Flexibility – pool should be designed for more than just lap swimming, recreational
opportunities to make learning fun.
• Durable materials at deck, sides and bottom of pool – to prevent damage from heavy props
such as scuba tanks, training props used during underwater automobile/air craft rescue.
Concerned about damage to tile. Could have an area of the pool that’s padded/protected
• Storage - ~ 200 SF needed. Could be in shared storage room. Each users equipment could be
secured with cage type enclosures
• Locker rooms – larger is better
• Adequate deck area for training, staging and training
• Pool Temperature – warmer is better for training because cadets are often idle and makes it
more inviting to small children for lessons
• Sauna/ hot tub – for community use as well as rehabilitation needs
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• Possibility to share pool with coast guard but not with kids/civilians. Paramilitary
environment, stress inoculation/ verbal encouragement.
• Water fountains on deck to preserve time to train
• Showers on deck to ensure cadets have showered prior to entering pool; helps with
cleanliness of pool and gear worn into pool. Four heads.
• Restrooms in close proximity to pool to promote their use (instead of folks relieving
themselves in pool)
• Adequate storage of lane lines – hazard currently laying on pool deck
• Prefers platform/ tower in lieu of diving spring board – one recruit stepping off platform at
one time. Prefer platform to be as high as possible.
• Rope climbing – under supervision, stored/ secured when not in use
• Rope ladder or cargo net suspended 8’ above water for training
• Ladders should be recessed into pool wall so that they are out of the way for competition
swimming
• Decks should be slip resistant – not PVC nor rubber
• Need double doors for easy access for ambulance gurney
Program/ Use:
• LECC (Law Enforcement Cadet Corps) Cadet training – lifeguards, CPR training, first aid
training. Trains Mt. Edgecumbe students
• Teaching Mt. Edgecumbe students water skills. Building confidence and rescued skills that
can be taken back to their communities.
• Other uses – 8 man raft training
• Rehabilitation and continue to exercise despite injuries
• Use index – academy trains 56 to 21 recruits twice a year. 20 to 50 cadets training in pool at
one time.
• Currently paying hourly rate to City of Sitka for use (~$45/hour)
• Current use – twice a week for 45 minutes. Needs more time that current for training.
Questions by DPS:
• Operational costs? (resp. – Approx. $1 million per year.)
• Sites being considered? (resp. – 4 sites on Japonski Island.)
• Schedule of completion? (resp. – Best case scenario would be fall of 2015)
Operational info forthcoming from DPS regarding Blatchley Pool – City of Sitka? Community Schools?
Annual cost to use pool forthcoming.
Contacts:
Michigan State Police – 517-322-5596 1st Lt. Steve O’Neil. Training division. Has great aquatic training
facility.
(Meeting end 10:12 am)
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Meeting with Coast Guard
8/23/12 @ 10:30a
Coast Guard Base on Japonski Island
Present:
(MP) Christopher Mark Philips – Coast Guard – arrived in Sitka 2 weeks prior. Contact: 907.966.5568
(EN) Elizabeth Nudelman – EED – Division Director
(KM) Kim Mahoney – DOT/PF – Project Manager
(DC) Doug Cook, PE – Counsilman Hunsaker – aquatic facility consultant
(BM) Brian Meissner, AIA – ECI/Hyer – Contracts Manager
(JS) Jae Shin, AIA – ECI/ Hyer – Project Manager
Features/ Amenities:
• Min. 25m or yards in length
• Min. 20’ wide
• Portion of the pool be min. 10’ deep
• 10’x10’ min. but prefer 20’x20’ storage space with double doors and floor drains
• Double set of doors from/to exterior for large equipment
• Space to hang 28’ parachute, preferably in the storage room
• Ropes course (16)
• 15’ ht. deployment tower
• Access to locker room facilities
• Desired temp. of 78-82 degrees F.
Program/ Use:
• Need (2) 2-hour blocks per week (8-10am) – up to 10 trainees
• Need (6) 8-hour blocks per year during the week – up to 40-60 trainees
• Underwater vehicle/aircraft rescue prop. Approximately 6’x’6’x4’ – metal frame with seat
• Lifeboat – approx. 6’x6’
• AMSEA (Alaska Marine Safety Education Association) - AMSEA'S mission: Reduce injury and
death in the marine and freshwater environment through education and training provided by a
network of qualified marine safety instructors
• Willing to be in facility at the same time as Troopers
• Willing to pay/rent pool
(Meeting end 11:30 am)
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Meeting with Executive Committee
8/23/12 @ 1:13 pm
Mt. Edgecumbe – Randy Hawk’s Office
Present:
(RH) Randy Hawk - MEHS Superintendent
(SJ) Stan Johnson – MEHS Building Maintenance Superintendent
(EN) Elizabeth Nudelman – EED – Division Director
(KM) Kim Mahoney – DOT/PF – Project Manager
(DC) Doug Cook, PE – Counsilman Hunsaker – aquatic facility consultant
(BM) Brian Meissner, AIA – ECI/Hyer – Contracts Manager
(JS) Jae Shin, AIA – ECI/ Hyer – Project Manager
Recap of morning’s discussion with Troopers and Coast Guard – good opportunity for MEHS students for
aquatic related curriculum.
Operations and Maintenance:
• Need pool manager and pool maintenance personnel
• Pay rate of maintenance personnel a problem – attracting and retaining talented personnel
problematic
Use:
• P.E. classes vary between 25 to 30 students
• Schedules vary
• School schedule – seniors out by 2:30, others out at 4pm. Recreation times could be between
2:30 to 5:00 and after dinner 6:45 to 9:45.
(Meeting end 2:15pm)
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Meeting with Building Committee
8/24/12 @ 1:00 pm
Mt. Edgecumbe HS Science Classroom
Present:
(BG) Bernie Gurule – MEHS - Academic Principal
(CB) Carl Blackhurst – MEHS - Recreation Coordinator
(MM) Michael Mahoney – MEHS - Teacher (potential swim coach & most swimming experience)
(AY) Archie Young – MEHS - PE Teacher (for Rich Calkins)
(EN) Elizabeth Nudelman – EED – Division Director
(KM) Kim Mahoney – DOT/PF – Project Manager
(DC) Doug Cook, PE – Counsilman Hunsaker – aquatic facility consultant
(BM) Brian Meissner, AIA – ECI/Hyer – Contracts Manager
(JS) Jae Shin, AIA – ECI/ Hyer – Project Manager
Site:
• Strong suggestions against site 4 (Alice Island) due to distance from MEHS campus. Safety a
concern as well as connectivity to existing power plant infrastructure
• Site 2 & 3 preferred with an emphasis on site 3 (old power plant site)
Programmatic Needs:
• Recreation – would like water slides
• Water Safety
• Competitive swimming – estimate 50-70 members, water polo as a P.E. activity or club sport, 1
meter board, kayak, snorkeling, scuba and canoeing
• Physical Therapy – for rehab of athletes
Features/ Amenities:
• 25 yd. min. with another separate body of water for training
• Adequate storage
Schedule:
• 8:30p – 9:45p – recreation swimming
• 4:00p – 6:30p – Swim team/clubs
• Summer operation – TBD – cost of pool operation needs to be considered including staffing
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Sketch provided by Doug Cook of Counsilman-Hunsaker on a possible configuration of a 50 meter pool
that would meet needs of Mt. Edgecumbe, Troopers and Coast Guard (configuration shown below is in
‘recreation’ mode vs. training or competition mode)
Final thoughts:
• Balance between training, recreation and competition
• Next meeting to be towards the end of September
• Goals between now and then – establish site selection and configuration of pool
(Meeting end 2:47 pm)
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Meeting with Public
8/24/12 @ 4:30 pm
Mt. Edgecumbe Field Building Meeting Room
Present:
Approximately 40 participants from the public
(EN) Elizabeth Nudelman – EED – Division Director
(KM) Kim Mahoney – DOT/PF – Project Manager
(DC) Doug Cook, PE – Counsilman Hunsaker – aquatic facility consultant
(BM) Brian Meissner, AIA – ECI/Hyer – Contracts Manager
(JS) Jae Shin, AIA – ECI/ Hyer – Project Manager
Public Comments:
Suha Tokman (local swim coach)
• 50 m competition swimming pool
• Separate warm up/ warm down pool
• 10 lanes
• Bulkhead
• 1 meter springboard diving
• Team has 100 kids
• Good filtration system and state of the art equipment
• Huge deck areas for staging and teams
• No waterslides blocking lanes
• Swim camps could be run there
• Get future pool manager involved now in the design process
• Currently the local teams cannot be competitive because they do not have a diving program (or
facilities). This takes away from the total points allocated to a team.
• Currently have only 1 hour for coaching which is a joke, need 3 hours
• Simple and functional
More public comments/questions:
• Concern about operational burden to the community
• Aqua rehab desired with water temps around 92 degrees
• Community needs amenities for older/senior generation
• The new facility could be economic engine
• Is it more economical to develop project by private sector versus through the State? (resp. – no,
the cost is the same and the quality better managed)
• Have you explored alternative energy systems? (resp. – yes, many types including ground source
heat pumps, heat recovery systems and pool covers)
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• What’s the availability to the public and what will the fees be? (resp. – not established at this
time but the priority would go to Mt. Edgecumbe High School, Troopers and Coast Guard.)
Photos of participants:
(Meeting end 6:30pm)
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