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Podcast Episode 50 !2014 !
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!Host: Welcome to PMR, Paleo Magazine Radio, where we bring you Paleo
nutrition, exercise and lifestyle perspectives, from both the experts and the
every day. PMR is brought to you by Paleo Magazine, the first and only print
magazine dedicated to the Paleo lifestyle and is hosted by Tony Federico.
!Tony Federico: Since Dr. Atkins and his low-carb revolution, millions of people have tried
low-carb dieting. However, questions still persist. What the heck are
ketones? Is it good for me to be in ketosis? Do I need to count calories while
I’m on a low carbohydrate diet? To shed some light on these questions is
Jimmy Moore, with his new book, Keto Clarity. In Keto Clarity, Jimmy tells
the story of his own experiences following low-carb and ketogenic diets and
combines it with information from over 22 experts in the fields of nutrition
and health.
! In the second half of the show, Adam Farrah will be joining us for a segment
of big-picture Paleo. We’re talking about how to get down without being out.
How to bounce back from adversity and come back even stronger. I had a
great time talking with Jimmy and Adam, so stick around. Paleo Magazine
Radio starts now.
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Tony Federico: Hey, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Paleo Magazine Radio.
I’m pleased to have, once again, Jimmy Moore, the Jimmy Moore. He’s with
us today. He’s the podcaster extraordinaire behind Low-Carb Conversations
with Jimmy Moore, Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb. He’s the author of Cholesterol
Clarity and he’s also the author of a brand-new book, Keto Clarity: Your
Definitive Guide to the Benefits of a Low-Carb, High-Fat Diet. He wrote it in
conjunction with Eric C. Westman, a medical doctor. Jimmy, welcome back.
!Jimmy Moore: Hey, it’s good to be back on PMR. I love this show.
!Tony Federico: Oh, yes. So, really excited about your new book. I think that it’s something
that a lot of people, if they’ve heard about ketogenic diets, they probably have
some questions. If somebody hasn’t heard about it, they’re probably
wondering what the heck is a ketogenic diet, so if you could break it down, if
you could shed some light, if you could provide us with some clarity on keto,
that would be great.
!Jimmy Moore: Oh, no pun intended, clarity on keto.
!Tony Federico: Oh, not at all.
!Jimmy Moore: Ah, it was so funny. I just went to my doctor’s office today. My wife,
Christine, had an appointment with our doctor, just to kind of follow-up on
some thyroid stuff that she was dealing with and I handed him a copy of Keto
Clarity and he seemed genuinely interested. It was—as soon as I said,
“Keto,” he went, “Oh, as in ketogenics,” so he knew even on a face value of
what it was and I think we’re seeing this more and more.
!
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Paleo is the number-one searched term for diet in 2013, but people forget to
look down that list a little further. Number five was ketogenic. So, people are
pretty darn interested in this subject and basically a ketogenic diet and ketosis
and keto, all these terms have been out there for awhile, but nobody’s really
grabbed that tiger by the tail and said, “Okay, this is what it is. This is how
you get there. Here’s the practical things that you can do,” and then, “Oh, yes,
once you’re there, here’s all the health ailments that it can help with,” and so,
that’s what the essence of Keto Clarity is really all about, is trying to share this
information all in one place. It’s never been done before.
! You know, we’ve had weight loss focus with things like the Atkins Diet.
We’ve had epilepsy books written because the ketogenic diet is highly
effective at controlling seizures in people with epilepsy. But nobody has
really taken the whole-health approach, so that’s what we tried to do in Keto
Clarity, but ketosis is really just shifting your body from being a sugar-burner,
which about 99% of the population is probably doing this right now.
!Tony Federico: No.
!Jimmy Moore: Sugar-burners and allowing carbohydrates to form glucose in their body and
that’s primarily how they’re fueling themselves. But there’s another way you
can fuel yourself, probably just as effectively and we argue in the book,
maybe for some people, preferably to be a fat-burner burning fat for fuel,
which means you radically bring up the amount of fat that you’re consuming
in your diet. And you’ve seen me eat before, Tony. You know, I eat quite a bit
of fat in my diet.
!
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Tony Federico: You made a name for yourself as the guy—if you ever need butter, you know,
I think you can always depend on Jimmy for a stick of Kerrygold when you
need it.
!Jimmy Moore: But I never give it away. It’s like I love my Paleo peeps, but I love my butter
more.
!Tony Federico: Right. So, that’s a concept right there that is probably going to throw a lot of
people for a loop and what you said about you’re eating fat to burn fat. Could
you talk a little bit about some of the mechanics behind that and why this
seemingly contradictory idea actually makes sense.
!Jimmy Moore: Yes, and it only makes no sense if you still run under the calorie paradigm. I
think we’ve all grown up and we’ve heard, “Okay, well, fat has nine calories
per gram, whereas carbohydrate and protein only have four calories per
gram,” and so, it makes sense that from a caloric, from an energy standpoint,
if you lower those things that have the most calories, in this case, vis-a-vis fat,
then you’re going to be producing an energy deficit which allows you to lose
weight and other things that they say happen.
! Unfortunately, that’s not the whole story and you and I both know calories
aren’t the end of the story, either. It’s the quality of those calories and what
does the calories from fat do in the body. They act as an alternative fuel
source when carbohydrates are brought down. Now, you don’t want to be
eating a high-carb and high-fat diet. That’s a bad, bad, bad idea.
!Tony Federico: It kind of sounds like the standard American diet.
!
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Jimmy Moore: Pretty much. That’s what the S.A.D. diet definitely is predicated on, is high
fat, a high-carb and very palatable foods. So, what we’re talking about here is
real, whole food sources of fat, so things like butter and ghee and coconut oil
and full-fat meats and cheeses, real cream, no fat-free stuff here. You want to
get the best-quality, high-fat foods that you can and then, in conjunction with
that, you bring down—because you’re raising up the energy source of fat—
you want to bring down the energy source that you don’t need anymore and
that’s carbohydrate, so you bring that down to your personal tolerance level,
which we talk about how you can figure that out in the book.
! And then, the third element in that is making sure you’re moderating protein
intake and that sounds strange to people, too, because they’re like, “Well, I’ve
always heard a low-carb diet is a high-protein diet.” Well, high is relative. I
mean, high for one person, like my wife, for example, she eats about a third of
her diet is protein and she can do that very well and produce lots of ketones
when we test, whereas if I ate a third of my diet as protein, I would be gaining
weight and that seems odd to people because protein’s been given this kind of
nice health halo and, “Protein good,” but protein can be not-so-good if you
overdo it for your personal threshold level.
! So again, we share in the book how you bring your carbohydrates down to
your personal tolerance level, your protein to your personal threshold level
and then, eat fats to satiety. That’s the essence of getting into nutritional
ketosis.
!Tony Federico: Now, although we mentioned that calories aren’t the sole indicator of whether
or not a diet is effective or not, just because one’s in ketosis, that doesn’t mean
that it’s a free-for-all, does it?
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!Jimmy Moore: That’s right. That’s right and I get people emailing me. They’re mad at me
for some reason and they’ll say, “I’ve got 2.4 on the blood ketone meter,” and
I think we talked about that when I was on last year, measuring for blood
ketones, which is really good, by the way, 2.3, but then, they’re like, “But I’m
not losing weight.” I’m like, “Are you expecting this to be a magic pill?”
! It is not a magic pill for weight loss and I often joke with people. If I never
lost another pound eating ketogenic, just for the brain health benefits, the
clarity of mind—again, there’s that word, all pun intended—clarity of mind,
the mood stabilization. I mean, I’ve never had more stable mood than when
I’m in a ketogenic state.
! And, you know, I think about, Tony, all these people that are on these anti-
psychotic medications. How many of them would actually see benefits if they
got off those stupid poison pills and got on a ketogenic diet, started producing
ketones? Their brains would finally say, “Thank you for feeding me.”
! People don’t realize 25% of the fat in your body is actually in your brain.
That’s why they call us fatheads and if you deprive your body of fat, you’re
depriving your brain of fat and that’s when you start having these senior
moments. That’s when you start having these angry moments. Your body is
craving that fat, which is why raising that fat intake is so critical.
!Tony Federico: Now, I want to go back to something that you said about testing blood ketones
because I think people who are familiar with the Atkins diet, they’ve
potentially gone out and bought keto sticks from the drug store, which is a
urine ketone test tool. How would one go about testing their blood ketones?
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!Jimmy Moore: Yes, so we have a whole chapter in here about using all the technologies for
measuring for ketosis—and I actually just gave a talk about this on the low-
carb cruise this year—about the various ways and you’re right. Atkins dieters
are very familiar with those pee sticks because you can pee on the stick. It
turns a color from pink to purple and it shows you your levels of a ketone
body known as acetoacetate. That’s the ketone body that’s in the urine.
! So, that’s been traditionally used. Unfortunately, it’s not very accurate for
people. Once they become keto-adapted, there are some people who once
they become keto-adapted, they lose acetoacetate in the urine. They stop
spilling it over because that acetoacetate has become the blood ketone known
as beta-hydroxybutyrate. And so, they could pee on the stick and they see it’s
nothing and they think, “What am I doing wrong?” when in fact, they could be
doing everything perfectly right and they’re well keto-adapted. They’re
feeling all the benefits of it, but that stupid little pee stick is telling them – it’s
not validating their choice.
! And so we now are turning people to newer technologies and one of the ones
in the past few years that’s become popular is measuring for blood ketones.
There’s two meters that are out on the market, the Nova Max, which I don’t
think is as good as the Precision Tray is the other one. Now, these are very
hard to find in stores. You pretty much have to go online to find them and the
testing strips are just outrageously expensive. We addressed that in the book,
too. “Call them and let them you know want affordable testing,” but right
now, it is the best way to know exactly how well you’re doing in ketosis.
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So, you measure it and it gives you your blood concentration of beta-
hydroxybutyrate. That’s the active ketone in the blood and it’s pretty good.
You get anywhere between 0.5 and 3.0 and that’s kind of your range for
nutritional ketosis. What I’ve found personally is anything over 1.0 is really
nirvana when it comes to ketones.
!Tony Federico: You’re a keto Zen Master.
!Jimmy Moore: Yes. The Zen is definitely out at that point.
!Tony Federico: So, as far as the actual user-friendliness of one of these devices, would it be
something akin to a diabetic blood glucose testing meter? Is it a finger prick?
!Jimmy Moore: Yes.
!Tony Federico: Is it relatively painful or is it something that it might be worth a little pinch?
!Jimmy Moore: Well, and I’m getting to the painless one here in a minute with the breath
ketones. We’ll get to that in a second, but since you asked about it, yes. The
blood ketones, it would be just like testing for your blood sugar. So, diabetics
are probably laughing at all of us non-diabetics that don’t have to prick our
fingers because we’re whining and complaining about that. But yes, prick
your finger. It takes a little more blood than like a blood sugar reading, but
boo-doop. It comes right out. You know, you get a nice reading.
! I did that day and night and sometimes every hour on the hour during my one-
year experiment doing that and so, it’s really not a big deal after awhile. You
kind of learn coping mechanisms when you are pricking your finger. You
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blow out really hard and that helps keep the pain down and yes. You learn
little tricks along the way.
!Tony Federico: Think happy thoughts.
!Jimmy Moore: Exactly, happy thoughts, happy thoughts. But the information you get from it
is so invaluable because you don’t want to guess. And we can get into that
with the mistakes that I made before doing this, but people guess, “Oh, I’m in
ketosis because I’m eating low-carb.” Uh-huh, not necessarily. There’s some
other things involved.
! Let me get to the breath ketones. The breath ketone is the emerging
technology. Here in the next couple of years, we’re going to be seeing a lot of
companies coming out. Right now there’s only one breath ketone meter that’s
commercially available. It’s called Ketonics from Sweden. This guy has
epilepsy and he wants to be in a ketogenic state pretty much all the time to
control his seizures. So, he went to look for a breath ketone meter because he
said urine was kind of messy and nasty and the blood ketone testing was too
painful with the pricks.
! So, for people who don’t want to do either one of those, try testing for the
ketone body that’s in the breath known as acetone and there’s actually a
couple of good studies that are out there that correlate acetone levels with
beta-hydroxybutyrate levels. So, the breath matches up pretty good and I did
testing side-by-side of both the breath ketone meter, Ketonics, as well as the
Precision Xtra and I did throw in the urine ketone just to see what would
happen. And the breath ketone meter actually matched up pretty well, about
80% of the time, with the blood, which I thought was pretty darn good.
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! It’s a lot less expensive. The Ketonics is about $100 and you can use it
thousands of times. There’s no new test strips that you have to pull out and
put back in. You just blow into it when you’re ready. You plug it into a USB
port and it’s ready to go in about three minutes. And so, I test every day using
that and it’s so painless, so non-invasive, why anybody who’s pursuing ketosis
wouldn’t want to test to see where they stand is beyond me.
!Tony Federico: Yes, so with this particular device, you said you plug it in with a USB. Does
it have a software suite associated with it? Does it do some sort of tracking
for you?
!Jimmy Moore: No. Actually it’s not quite that sophisticated, although there are a few that are
coming down the line that will incorporate like your smart phone that yes, you
will probably have some of that. This particular one, it changes color and it
has blinking lights for your level of each of those colors. So, blue is no
ketones. Green, it’s starting to have more ketones. Yellow, even more and
red, the most and again, it has up to ten blinks so you kind of know on a scale
about where you are. I blew into it this morning and it was in the yellow
range for me, which is moderately-high levels of ketones. And so that’s what
you’re looking for and trust me, Tony. You’ll know before you test whether
you’re in ketosis or not.
!Tony Federico: Just your subjective experience of…
!Jimmy Moore: Having done this so long now, I can feel it. I know because my brain is so
clear. I have complete hunger control. Even like a—it sounds a little gross—
but like a little bit of a film maybe on the tongue. You can kind of feel when
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you’re in ketosis. You know, some people don’t like that feeling. I love that
feeling because I know it’s making me healthier.
!Tony Federico: So, let’s talk a little bit about your personal experience, your n=1. You did a
nutritional ketosis self-experiment that lasted a year. I imagine that it’s
continued because you’re still in ketosis today.
!Jimmy Moore: Yes.
!Tony Federico: Can you talk a little bit about what being in nutritional ketosis for a year
actually means? What does that actually look like? What kind of things are
you eating? What’s some of the basic just rhythms of your day? So, kind of
leaving the science behind and just getting down to the practical, nitty-gritty.
!Jimmy Moore: Oh, that’s a loaded question. So, yes, the nitty-gritty of it was I was struggling
back in 2012 and I was having issues because I’d been eating low-carb up to
that point for a little while, seven or eight years at that point, but I was gaining
weight and I was having some sleep issues and I was having, you know,
various kind of problems coming on and I couldn’t figure out what was going
on.
! My carbs have always been pretty low and that’s never changed. I’ve always
stayed right around – my carb tolerance is right around 30-40 grams, even 40
is pushing it sometimes. You don’t get to weigh 410 pounds at one point in
your life without having some kind of something with carbohydrates. And so,
I kid people often that I’ve eaten all the carbs I’m allowed to have the first 32
years of my life, so now the rest of my life, I have to keep them pretty limited.
!
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But I decided after reading The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate
Performance, a great book from Dr. Steve Phinney and Dr. Jeff Volek, a
couple of low-carb diet, ketogenic researchers, they talked about measuring
for blood ketones. So that’s kind of the first time that came on my radar
screen about measuring in another way for ketosis other than the urine sticks.
! And so, I decided, “You know what? I’ve never tested that way before.
Maybe I’m not actually in ketosis,” and that was when I found out, was doing
this experiment, that I was not eating nearly enough fat in my diet. Now, I
was eating high fat, about 55-60% of my diet was fat. By every measure,
that’s a high-fat diet. But it wasn’t high enough.
! So, when I ramped up fat, carbs were already low. That was cool, but then the
other key piece was moderating down that protein and I had to do that and
people are like, “Well, why do you have to cut protein? That isn’t that good
for you.” Yes, it’s good for you except when your body doesn’t know what to
do with the excess amount.
! So, there’s this long G-word we talk about in Keto Clarity called
gluconeogensis. So, when you consume more protein than your body needs,
did you know that that excess protein gets converted into glucose through
your liver? While it’s not a one-for-one the same as eating carbohydrate, it’s
pretty darn close and you’ll notice it in your blood sugar.
! So, if you’re having chicken breasts and broccoli and think that’s pretty good
low-carb, guess what? That’s probably giving you way, way too much protein
and not nearly enough fat, by the way, so you’re going to be hungry two hours
after eating that meal. So, I was learning all these little things, Tony, that over
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the years, I’ve never really seen any book talk about before: ramping up the
fat, moderating down the protein, finding your carb tolerance level, which I
know a lot in the Paleo community say, “Well, starches are okay.” I saw the
Whole30 guys that recently said, “You can eat potatoes.” I’m like…
!Tony Federico: Yes, white potatoes became cool.
!Jimmy Moore: Not all of us can eat white potatoes. It’s just a new way of looking at things
and so, that one year, I really learned a lot about myself, knowing what I could
have and I could not have; what it would take to get into ketosis and stay in
ketosis and by the way, it’s very easy to get out ketosis. You can’t just willy-
nilly, casually try to get into this and think it’s just going to magically happen.
!Tony Federico: So, you’ve got to track. You’ve got to know your numbers. You’ve got to be
on top of what you’re eating?
!Jimmy Moore: Absolutely. And we actually, for the book, created this nice little acronym for
people for keto. K stands for keep carbs low and low, of course, is relative to
your tolerance level. E is for eat more fats, so you want to have probably
more saturated and monounsaturated fat than you’ve ever consumed in your
entire life and of course, omega-3s are in there, as well. T, test for ketones
often. We just talked about, you know, how you could do that and then, O,
overdoing protein is bad. So, this is the kind of thing that I hope people rip
out and throw on their refrigerator to remind them that if ketosis is your goal,
here’s how you do it and here’s how you get there and hopefully, it keeps them
on-track.
!
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Tony Federico: Give us an example of a low-carb, Jimmy Moore breakfast versus a nutritional
ketosis Jimmy Moore breakfast.
!Jimmy Moore: Well, number one, a low-carb Jimmy Moore breakfast would have been at
breakfast time, not 8:00. And so, it would be like a couple of eggs cooked in
butter with a couple of pieces of bacon. So, that would be a typical low-carb
breakfast and maybe sometimes throw, you know, some spinach in there, any
number of things. It would change, but that would be a pretty good low-carb
breakfast.
! Unfortunately, when you’re in nutritional ketosis, there is no such thing as
breakfast or a snack or a lunch or a afternoon snack or dinner or after-dinner
snack or a midnight snack like we’ve been taught in this culture. We have
eating by the clock, as we say in Keto Clarity. We got to stop eating by the
clock and start eating to your satiety level. So, are you hungry? Hm, that
means you should eat something.
!Tony Federico: What a crazy concept.
!Jimmy Moore: I know, right? Are you not hungry? Hm, maybe that means you should not
eat something even though it’s 5:00 in the afternoon. The rest of your family
is all getting ready to sit down to dinner. We’re trying to shift some pretty
major cultural paradigms that are in our head and, and that’s a biggie, Tony. I
only eat about once or twice a day now because that’s all I can eat.
! You know, when we go to these conferences like Ancestral Health Symposium
or PaleoFX, it drives me nuts because I’m like, “When do I get to eat?” It’s
like I usually eat to my hunger levels and I’m like hungry at, you know, 4:00
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in the afternoon or whatever and so, we’re still in-session and so, you have to
kind of shift when you do those kind of events.
! But at home, it’s pretty much, “You know what?” I’m working during the day
and I’m getting all the benefits of the ketones and then, about 3:00, 4:00 rolls
around. Hm, okay, I guess I could eat, you know? And it’s not this like
ravenous, hungry feeling that, you know, “If I don’t eat now,” and my wife,
Christine, will tell you, I used to get really, really, really hungry, especially on
my low-fat diet days. If I didn’t eat, I was screaming at you.
!Tony Federico: I wouldn’t like Jimmy when he’s hungry.
!Jimmy Moore: No, no, no, no. Incredible Hulk had nothing on me when I was hungry, man.
!Tony Federico: So, let’s say you wake up. You’re rocking it. You’re feeling good. You know,
get through the work day. When you actually sit down to eat, I guess I’m just
curious of what that plate breakdown.
!Jimmy Moore: So, what it looks like now?
!Tony Federico: Yes. Just so I could kind of visualize it.
!Jimmy Moore: Yes. So, whereas I would have the couple of eggs with a couple of slices of
bacon before. Now, you’re ramping up the calories and it’s by design that
you’re doing this and I’ll explain why in a minute. So, that two eggs now
becomes four or five eggs, cooked in purposeful amounts of butter, so two or
three tablespoons of butter.
!
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Tony Federico: So, we’re not just like doing a thin coating on the bottom of the pan. We’re
getting serious with the Kerrygold.
!Jimmy Moore: Yes, yes, and you have to because you don’t get to 80% fat in your diet
without ramping up the calories from the fat, from those kind of sources. So,
then on top of that – and see, I allowed dairy. Dairy has never really bothered
me, so I allow cheese on top of the eggs and then, I put sour cream on top of
that. I have a whole avocado on the side of that and then, oh, yes, if I want a
few more calories, I’ll throw a couple of pieces of sausage or bacon on the
side of that.
! So, as you can see, a much larger meal than that one I used to eat, but I could
eat that meal I just described, Tony, for example, and I could go easily 12-24
hours before I have to eat again, whereas the two eggs, two bacon, cooked in a
little bit of oil that I used to have on my low-carb, it was by design, so I could
eat something at lunch because I knew if I ate more than that for breakfast, I
probably would be hungry.
! So, that period of intermittent fasting that kind of spontaneously comes on, is
so important. People neglect that. “Well, I have to eat lunch. I have a lunch
break at my job.” Well, just because you have a lunch break doesn’t mean you
have to eat something during that lunch break.
!Tony Federico: Right. Read a book. Go for a walk.
!Jimmy Moore: Go walk for an hour, whatever.
!
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Tony Federico: I mean, these are deeply-entrenched behaviors. You eat breakfast. You eat
lunch. You eat dinner. There’s such a social component to it. Do you find
that you’re able to adapt to social situations while still adhering to your
dietary objectives?
!Jimmy Moore: You know, it’s funny. Christine and I went to see some of her family in
Indiana this summer. It was kind of a family gathering. She’s got family
there and we’d go to these family get-togethers and, “Oh, it’s a mealtime,” and
so, Christine and I would kind of look at each other because we’re not used to
eating because every time we turned around, “Are you hungry? Can we get
you something to eat?” And I know that’s how people express love, especially
in those kind of families like that.
! After awhile, “Oh, we’ll make you a bowl of cereal,” or, “We’ll make you a
grilled cheese,” and Christine and I would just say, “We’ve already eaten,”
which was technically not a lie because we’re eating ketones. Almost you
could see it pained them a little bit when you turned down that offer of love
because that’s how a lot of families and grandmas express their love is, “Oh,
well, well, I want to make something for you. I’m good. I promise you I’m
good.” I’ve done this long enough now that my family and people that know
me know that if I’m not eating, then I’m in a purposeful sense of fasting
because I’m completely satisfied with what I’m eating. They may not
understand the why. They just know the what.
!Tony Federico: Right and I think that that just comes down to kind of being a personal
conviction. You have your eye on the prize. You know what you’re doing,
why you’re doing it. I think that’s why books like this are so important
because it gives you more than, “I want to lose weight.” You have the whole
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health component. You have the mental clarity. You have the longevity
component. So, it really gives a lot more weight to the decision so that if
somebody does kind of push you or kind of press you, “Well, why not? Come
on. Just have a little of this. Have a little of that,” and you’re like, “No, I’m
good,” and you can say, “I’m good,” and leave it at that. You don’t have to
get into a big argument with somebody, but you know why you’re good. You
know why you’re doing it.
!Jimmy Moore: Right and I really appreciated what you just said, that this really isn’t about
weight loss. It’s no secret I’ve had struggles with my weight over the years,
but to me, it’s really not about the weight as much as it is all these intangible
aspects of your health that show, hey, you’re in pretty good metabolic shape,
no matter what you look like on the outside. You’re in good metabolic shape
because of this way of eating and so, that’s, that’s kind of one of the central
themes we threw out there while a lot of people think, “Well, I’m in ketosis. I
automatically lose weight.”
! It’s really not about that. It’s just about shifting the way your body uses the
fuel that you’re giving it and so, being a fat-burner is so much more than,
“Okay. We’re just going to burn the belly fat.” You know, there’s a lot of
things that can be underlying that will prevent you from losing weight, so
don’t think this is a great panacea for weight loss, but again, if this was the
way that I could feel if I never lost another pound, I would do it for the rest of
my life.
!Tony Federico: So, you have some success stories in the book. Was there any one in
particular that stood out and that really gave you that good feeling that, you
know, anybody who’s in this business who’s blogging, who’s podcasting,
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hearing those success stories, hearing that your message actually helped
somebody is really kind of what it’s all about. Was there one that really kind
of touched you?
!Jimmy Moore: You know, there were so many great success stories of both doctors, which we
had a whole chapter of doctors that are using this approach with their patients
and many of those doctors, themselves, started using nutritional ketosis and
found improvements in their own health and then, they’re like, “Hey, I want to
put this on my patient.”
! And then, I had another chapter where we had a great highlight of eight keto
success stories and one is a personal friend of mine. Her name is Lynn Ivy.
She’s out of Durham, North Carolina. She’s actually a patient of Dr.
Westman’s, my co-author and she was dealing with a lot of issues, 344 pounds
on a 5’4” body and she dealt with so many things that were discouraging in
her life.
! Her mom got Type II diabetes and eventually succumbed to the disease at 74
and so, Lynn was having to take care of her and once her mom died, she’s
like, “Wait. That’s going to be me in the not-to-distant future if I don’t do
something,” so that’s when she turned to low-carb, high-fat ketogenic thanks
to Dr. Westman telling her about it. And she just was a rock star. She went
90% dietary fat, 8% protein, 2% carbohydrates and she lost a total of, get this,
200 pounds, and she’s now kept that off. And I see her regularly. Christine
and I drive up to Durham.
!Tony Federico: Two hundred pounds, wow.
!
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Jimmy Moore: Two hundred pounds, amazing. But she’ll be the first to tell you, that weight
loss, way cool, but all the other health benefits that she’s gotten doing this, her
fasting blood sugar levels regularly in the 70s. She has ketone readings well
above 1.8, pretty much all the time. She is a fireball of energy.
!Tony Federico: Yes, that’s awesome, man.
!Jimmy Moore: Cholesterol ratios are all perfect. Her blood pressure levels came down. She
has coconut oil, olive oil, butter, heavy cream, cream cheese, hard cheeses,
whole eggs, macadamia nuts and she limits protein. I love how she calls
protein. She said, protein she treats like a condiment to her high-fat meals.
!Tony Federico: Interesting.
!Jimmy Moore: Yes, so she’s a very inspiring story. Again, call her a personal friend. Was
really happy to share her story in Keto Clarity.
!Tony Federico: That’s awesome, man. Well, Jimmy, thank you so much for coming on the
show. It’s always a pleasure to talk to you.
!Jimmy Moore: Yes, man. Thank you.
!Tony Federico: So, of course, Jimmy Moore. He’s a blogger, podcaster. You can find him on
Livin’LaVidaLowCarb.com. His book, Keto Clarity, it’s in stores now. We’re
going to have a link where you can pick up a copy in our show notes. That’s
going to do it for our interview with Jimmy Moore. Stick around. Paleo
Magazine Radio isn’t over yet.
!
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{Music}
!Tony Federico: Hey, everybody. Welcome back to another segment of big picture Paleo with
Adam Farrah. Adam, welcome back.
!Adam Farrah: Thanks, Tony. How’re you doing, man?
!Tony Federico: I’m good, man. I’m good. So, hit me. What are we talking about today?
!Adam Farrah: All right. So, the last segment we recorded, I warned you that I had a little bit
of a cough and I was going to try to go the whole 10 minutes without
coughing on ya.
!Tony Federico: Which I think you managed to do.
!Adam Farrah: I did. So, now as we talk, what is it, like six weeks later or something,
because we had…
!Tony Federico: Yes, in radio time, it’s been no time at all, but in real-world time…
!Adam Farrah: Right. You know, I am actually just coming out of a real nightmare of, you
know, bronchitis and sinusitis and a couple of different antibiotics. I got to
see antibiotic resistance up close and personal. It’s real. It’s not just
something you read in the papers. I guess what that gave me, I mean, of
course it gave me a lot of time to think about stuff.
!Tony Federico: I’m sure you were spending some quality time with the couch and then,
maybe with the chair and the bed.
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!Adam Farrah: I’m sure I’ve been that sick in the past, but honestly, it’s been so long since
I’ve been that sick, I don’t even remember. I couldn’t give you another time I
felt that – I was that sick, so you know, I guess the first thing is stay healthy so
that you don’t need antibiotics because the workings of the antibiotics are not
guaranteed anymore. I was on two different ones and they kind of worked and
kind of didn’t and I’m still struggling along and so, stay healthy because I
think we’re running low on options to get healthy. But the big picture today is
I guess I’m sort of calling myself out.
!Tony Federico: The mirror is being held up, Adam.
!Adam Farrah: Yes.
!Tony Federico: So, what were you doing that kind of set yourself up for this, because you
know, I think compared to most people and certainly to, you know, a lot of our
listeners, they might be surprised. It sounds like you’re really living the Paleo
lifestyle, you know. In previous segments, we’ve talked about how you’ve
downsized and really reconfigured your life to allow for meditation and yoga
and all of these things that seem very positive. Where did you get off-track?
Where did you come off the path?
!Adam Farrah: I wrote a book and published it.
!Tony Federico: Ah, that tends to mess things up.
!Adam Farrah: And I don’t – yes, I mean, I love the book and I’m so thrilled to have gotten
the book out there and everything. But yes, I mean, it was a combination of
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sort of the book was a big stressor and kind of getting the book out and getting
it launched and doing the things I needed to do and then, I probably over-
committed on top of it. And then, you had some scheduling things and some
life stuff and just a bunch of stuff, you know, probably because I had things
sort of packed, as it was and then, you get the few life things on top of it and it
just becomes unmanageable.
!Tony Federico: This is funny because we had actually talked previously about saying no.
!Adam Farrah: Yes, yes. I thought of that.
!Tony Federico: So, you weren’t saying no. You were saying yes.
!Adam Farrah: Yes, and I actually could have said yes to more, but apparently I…
!Tony Federico: Ah, ah, so it could have been a lot worse.
!Adam Farrah: It probably could have been worse, yes.
!Tony Federico: We’re lucky we’re even talking to you today.
!Adam Farrah: Right. Right.
!Tony Federico: So, at this point, you know, you’ve hopefully come through, at least on the
path to recovery, recognize that you were loading yourself up, burning the
candle on both ends. How are you charting a course towards recovery? What
is your, your game plan coming out of this?
!
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Adam Farrah: I think I used to really put business and training into two different buckets and
I wasn’t able to say health and training and taking care of myself is number
one and business is number two, like I was still uncomfortable saying that, but
I basically said, 1A is focusing on myself and taking care of myself and my
training and doing all the right things and business and writing and my
commitments to the Paleo community and the different training communities
is sort of 1B. And just having to stick to that. I’m just constantly checking
myself as far as what I’m committing to and, you know, how important the
stuff that I’m trying to do is relative to health and relative to my training.
! And it’s funny because in the December-January, 2013 Paleo magazine, I
wrote an article called, “Fight for Your Life.” I talked about, you know,
making space for the stuff that’s really important to us and probably when I
wrote it, I was doing a good job of that. By the time it came out, I wasn’t, but
I guess I’m just sort of calling myself out and it’s a reaffirmation. I mean, you
know, you fall off the horse and you get back on. It’s just a reaffirmation, but
definitely a challenge to everybody. If you’re good at offloading stuff and
downsizing, maybe figure out how to check yourself and make sure that
you’re not picking things back up again without even realizing it.
!Tony Federico: Right and I think that it’s probably going to be surprising, I guess, you know,
somebody listening to this, “Ah, you know, this guy, you know, it seemed like
he had it all together. Had this, you know, perfect Paleo life.” Well, he still
got sick. He still got knocked down a peg, but I think that that’s a good
message, too, that you know, really no matter who you are and what you’re
doing and what kind of work you do, whether it’s working at a bank or
cooking or writing for Paleo Magazine, I think you’re still human, still
figuring things out. And I’m assuming that this is the case with you, but I can
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certainly speak from my own personal experience that, you know, even you’re
writing about health, even if you’re sharing a positive message, just that
activity, just engaging in these variety of projects, stress is stress at a certain
point.
!Adam Farrah: Yes, yes, absolutely.
!Tony Federico: So they’re worthy stressors, or things that, you know, it’s an honorable stress
to take on, but at the same time, it’s still having an impact and too much of it
is still too much.
!Adam Farrah: Even when it’s a passion. Yes, and I think it’s important that we come out
with this stuff because sometimes I think it’s – and I do this with others in
other areas, or even the health and fitness areas. You know, you look at these
other people sort of like they’re super heroes that are doing stuff that you’re
not doing or that are so much better than you. And I think it’s – that’s what I
try to do in my writing, too. You say, “Hey, look. Woops. Let’s get back on it
and learn the lessons and go forward,” but yes, it happens to all of us, I think.
!Tony Federico: Absolutely. Hey, we’re all in the same boat, you know? Trying to swim
through and keep our heads above the water of life. So, Adam, I wish you
success on your path to recovery. I’m interested to talk to you in another few
weeks and see how far you’ve come, if you’ve been able to say no, even to
your passions.
!Adam Farrah: Yes.
!Tony Federico: But thanks again, man. I appreciate you coming back on the show.
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!Adam Farrah: Awesome, man, thanks. I’ll talk to you soon.
! {Music}
!Tony Federico: All right, everybody. I actually wanted to make an announcement. This was
the 50th episode of Paleo Magazine Radio. It’s a little milestone that
everyone here at the Paleo Magazine team is proud of. We’ve had quite a few
guests here on the show. It’s been really fun so far and thank you, thank you,
thank you, for your support.
! It’s because of you, our loyal listeners, that we can continue to do this and if
you have a chance, we always appreciate feedback. We’d love to hear from
you. You could shoot us an email directly at Tony@PaleoMagOnline. You
can go on iTunes and leave a review. You can let us know if we’re doing two
stars or three stars or heck, maybe even five stars and again, thank you for
your support for listening to the show.
! Next time on the podcast, I’m going to have Relentless Roger, the co-host of
Relentless Roger and the Cavemen. Doctor Podcast here. It’s going to be
great. We’re going to keep on rocking this thing. Thank you, thank you,
thank you so much. I’m Tony Federico and on behalf of everyone at Paleo
Magazine, thank you for listening.
! {Music}
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