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AWWA CA – NV SECTION WINTER MEETING Minutes
METER COMMITTEE January 15, 2019
OPERATORS DIVISION Antelope, CA ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Chair:
Vice Chair:
Secretary:
Michele Harvey
Todd Artrip
Ron Gallon
Northern CA-NV Delegate:
Southern CA-NV Delegate:
Knowledge Base Delegate:
Technical Development Delegate:
Anh Tran
Dan Baker
Ethan Leano
Rick Small
I. Greeting, Introduction & Housekeeping
Meeting called to order by Michele Harvey at 12:03 PM.
Biggest Turn Out in Our History – 229% increase, 61% utility attendance
This is the largest committee event in history: 80 in attendance – 49 utility (61%) and 31 (39%)
vendor/government. 229% increase over the 2018 winter meeting and 148% increase over the
2018 summer meeting. We increased our CEU hours from one last year to a full 3-hour
workshop on the C715-18 Electronic Metering Standard & Technology. Thanks to Todd Artrip
(Vice Chair) for choosing the topic based on CEU topic feedback from the meeting attendees in
the last year.
Additional Participation – 47 New Participants in Our Roster
Meter Committee Roster – Attendees were asked to check their contact information. No one said
that they were having issues receiving emails from Michele (chair). If you are not, please
notifying Ron Gallon to confirm that your email address is correct. Those on the roster, receive
our quarterly newsletter with notifications of meetings, workshops, presentations, relevant
articles, etc. While we think its a great idea, you do not have to be an AWWA member to
participate.
RSVPs to Our are Important
WhosIn Evite Process - Thanks to everyone who RSVP’d. No issues with the process were
reported. With the size of our meetings, it is very important for us to have an electronic RSVPs.
We base how to setup the room and how much food to buy based on the RSVPs. We ran a little
short on lunch, but 95% turnout v. RSVP. This is an amazing statistic. Our current formula was
to purchase expecting a 85% turn out. We are adjusting our formula to ensure we have enough
food and drinks for everyone.
Workshop CEU Certificates
CEU sign in sheet – Those who signed the CEU sign in sheet will receive their CEU certificate
via email by February 14th. If you don’t receive a certificate by this date, please contact Ron
Gallon (Secretary)
Expanded Committee Leadership
Introductions – We added a position of Northern and Southern CA-NV Delegates to help run the
meetings and expand our services. Thanks to our new Northern CA-NV Delegate, Anh Tran
(City of San Jose Water), who organized the meeting. Thanks to Kevin Barnes (Ferguson) for
assisting. We’re looking forward to our new Southern CA-NV Delegate’s, Dan Baker (Helix
Water District), summer meeting. Ethan Leano (Golden State Water), not in attendance, is our
Knowledge Base Delegate, more on that topic later. Rick Small (City of Riverside), not in
attendance, is our Technical Development Delegate. He is currently working on a formal
AWWA CA-NV Program for Large Meters, Large Meter Testing and Installation. The outline
has been submitted to the sub-committee members. We hope to have the class on the section’s
training schedule in 2020.
II. Upcoming Meetings & Events (Dates and Times are Subject to Change).
Spring Committee Meeting @ Spring Conference in Sacramento
March 25, 2019 @ 2:30pm - 4:00pm
Conference registration is not required for the meeting.
AWWA CA-NV Spring Conference in Sacramento
March 26, 2019 – March 28, 2019
Committee Technical Program Spring Conference in Sacramento
March 27, 2019 @ 7:30am – 5:30pm
Conference registration is required for the meeting.
AWWA ACE19 in Denver, CO
June 9, 2019 – June 12, 2019
Water Education Seminar (WES) - Santiago Community College, Orange CA August 2019 (Date TBA) 8:00am – 3:30pm
Summer Committee Meeting & Workshop – SoCal Location TBD
August TBD
Fall Committee Meeting @ Fall Conference in San Diego
October 21, 2019 Time: TBD
Conference registration is not required for the meeting.
AWWA CA-NV Fall Conference in San Diego
October 22, 2019 – October 24, 2019
Committee Technical Program Fall Conference October 22, 2019 @ 1:30opm – 5:30pm
Conference registration is required for the meeting.
Winter Committee Meeting & Workshop – Sacramento County Water
Tentative Schedule: January 27, 2020 Time: TBD
III. Technical Programs and Planning.
Spring Technical Program Class Schedule
Spring Technical Program in Sacramento on March 27th requires conference registration. This is
the first curated conference program from the CEU suggestion list we’ve been gathering from the
committee meeting attendees for the last year.
07:30-08:30 The Evolution of Meter Management Practices: Testing, Replacement and
Revenue Protection
10:00-10:30 An Innovative Optimization Model for Repair/Replacing of Water Meters
10:30-11:00 C715 Test Bench Compatibility to Support Ultrasonic & Electromagnetic Meter
Testing
11:00-11:30 How to Use Portable Meter Testers
11:30-12:00 Factors Affecting Meter Accuracy
01:30-02:00 AMI Customer Service Panel
02:00-02:30 Got Meter & AMR Transmitter Scrap? Trash or Treasure? What is it telling you?
02:30-03:00 AMI Compatible Meter Pit Lids
04:00-04:30 Lessons Learned in Sacramento on DMA Implementation
04:30-05:30 AMI Panel – Everything that you ever wanted to ask a utility about Advanced
Meter Infrastructure
Fall Technical Program Expected on Tuesday Afternoon
In 2018, the committee leadership has done a better job with coordinating with other committees
where there is a mutual interest. For example, in the past, the meter committee and the Water
Management and Efficiency committee (Kevin Barnes, Chair) competed for audiences with AMI
presentations on the same day. To resolve this issue, the meter committee will be alternating
between a full Wednesday AMI + Meter program (Spring 2019) a half-day Tuesday afternoon
Meter only program (Fall 2019).
Utility & Vendor Speaking Partnerships
We expect the Fall Conference call for abstracts will be sent in March. We are encouraging
utilities and vendors to partner on presentations to deliver technical education from a utility’s
perspective.
IV. New Events/Tools/Goals
Meter Committee Website is Shaping Up
The Meter Committee website is under construction. We are adding event information and links
to past conference presentations and workshop presentations. Check it out …
http://ca-nv-awwa.org/CANV/CNS/AboutTheSection/committee/Meter%20Committee.aspx
Ask Your Questions, Search the Archive
Electronic Knowledge Base – Currently, utilities with meter and meter reading technology
questions can email Michele (chair) who will reach out to the utility participants to get their
feedback and publish the information to all the utility participants via email. To improve on this
process, we’re looking into an on-line forum where utilities can input their questions directly to
other utilities through an on-line tool that will automatically archive the question/answers. Our
new Knowledge Base Delegate, Ethan Leano (Golden State Water) will moderate the site.
Topics with in depth responses will be summarized and posted on the meter committee website.
Quarterly Newsletters, Scan Links & Click on What’s Interesting
Electronic eNewsletters – Did you see the Winter eNewsletter emailed on December 12th? Just
take second to open it, look at the links at the top and click on the topics that interest you. This
format is designed to save you time (see screen shot below). The most time sensitive &
important topic be in the subject line. As most everyone is overloaded with email, we’re trying
new things to make the eNewsletter more efficient. If you have any suggestions on improving the
eNewsletter or any other tools, please contact Michele (chair).
Contribute an Article to Source Magazine
Source Magazine – CA-NV AWWA members receive the Source Magazine every quarter. It’s
great way to beef up your resume and show commitment to a leadership track to contribute an
article. Dan Baker had an article published prior to coming on board as our Southern CA-NV
Delegate. The leadership plans to reach out to the group to find some contributors, so start
thinking about participating.
Support for Young Professionals
YP Members – CA-NV AWWA is encouraging the committee’s to reach out to our YP
community. We’d appreciate your ideas on how the committee should do this. If anyone have
any ideas, please contact Michele (chair).
V. Announcements
AB 3206 Update, Meter Accuracy & Testing Status
AB 3206 was on the CA 2018 legislative calendar, but was “held on suspense” which meant is
was dead for 2018. There has not be a reintroduction as of January 12th, but there is still time to
for it to be added to the 2019 legislative calendar. Rosie anticipates that it will be added. We’ll
provide updates to the group via the eNewsletters.
New Standards, Updated Manuals and On-Line Presentations
NSI/AWWA C715 – Cold Water Meters Electromagnetic and Ultrasonic type for Revenue
Applications, Published in October
M33 Manual – Flowmeters in Water Supply, new release
2018 Water Education Seminar (WES) Presentations, available on-line
http://ca-nv-
awwa.org/CANV/CNS/EventsandClasses/WESALL/2018/WES_Speaker_Presentations.aspx
2018 Fall Conference Presentations & Water Education Seminar, available on-line.
http://ca-nv-awwa.org/CANV/CNS/EventsandClasses/conf/AFc18/SpeakerPresenations.aspx
VI. Thanks to Our Sponsors, Raffle & Other Words
Thanks to …
Sacramento Suburban for hosting.
Matt Owens from West Monroe Partners for sponsoring breakfast and the Outback gift card.
Andy Bohn from Neptune for sponsoring lunch
Mark Carey and Rick Relyea for sponsoring MC Engineering, an AMC and a BevMo gift card.
Overview of Smaller Utility Committee Goals, Can You Help?
Kevin Barnes (Small Utilities Committee) would like everyone to know their committee is
designed to give outreach to utilities with 5000 services or less. Many of these smaller utilities
don’t have funding for events like the CA-NV AWWA conferences that provide exposure to
exhibit halls and technical programs. Their committee is working with CA-NV AWWA member
utilities to provide conference sponsorship for an employee of a smaller utility. To lend expertise
to these smaller utilities, their committee will be reaching out to CA-NV AWWA members with
expertise in some defined areas to be a point of contact for these smaller utilities. The committee
is also working with Awards Committee for the Best Smaller Utility Annual Award. If you are
interested in helping out, please contact Kevin Barnes and/or attend the Smaller Utility
Committee meeting on Monday, March 25th from 2-2:30p (immediately followed by the meter
committee meeting).
VII. Open Discussion
Cost of meter test equipment & ability to use in the field (Graham Smith, Modesto)
Consensus of Group: Small meter tester under $1,000, large meter tester under $2,500, Pitot
tester around $8,000.
Michele Harvey, Chair: Recommends you test the large meters in the filed because their
accuracy is subject to how you installed them. As the installation a large meter can affect its
performance, It’s recommended to test new installs to set an accuracy base line.
Jeff Becket, Burbank Water and Power: On small meters (3/4” to 1”), they test 10% of new
meters, out of the box on their test bench. They do random small meter testing using a Mars
portable tester. For the large meters (3” to 16”) they us a Badger 3” portable meter tester. They
test all 167 large meters (3” to 16”) annually, in the field, with a Badger 3” portable large meter
tester.
Todd Artrip, Sacramento Suburban Water: For large meters, their 400+ 3” and 4” meters are on a
5-year test cycle, their 35 6” and larger meters are tested annually. They use a Badger Meter
portable meter tester along with a small vac pulled behind the truck to clean out the vaults.
Mike Simpson, M.E. Simpson Co. Inc.: Michele is correct to test your larger meters in the field.
Many meter vendors offer portable testers or you can build your own like M.E. Simpson using
both Sensus and Badger Meters (4” turbo meter with a valve and a 5/8” meter bi-pass on a cart
for portability). Agrees with having a vac available to clean out meter vault/pit. Recommends
setting up an annual test program, but design your program based on water audit program and
revenue. In other words, set your test program based on the amount of money is being generated
by that meter. You want large meters to always operate properly. Testing is key.
What’s the cost of testing ¾” meters?
Tim Collings, City of Lincoln: They send their meters to Minnesota to get tested. $35.00 for the
meter test and about $80.00 both directions for shipping.
Mike Bortolleto, Ferguson: Mike Wolf in Gustine, CA is $25.00 per test. Around $8.00 in
shipping.
Sean Twilla, Golden State Water Company: They use a company in southern California.
Including shipping, it costs them around $40.00.
Any utilities testing low flow accuracy testing from ¼ to 1/32 GPM? (Dave Wallenstein,
EBMUD). Michele will email this question out to the full email list to get more data.
Dave Wallenstein, EBMUD: Dave is putting together a paper for the North American Water
(NAWL) conference and is seeking additional data to support his presentation.
Nick Leles, San Jose Water Company: SJWC doesn’t test below ¼ GPM as the return on
investment is not there.
Mike Simposon, M.E. Simpson: Concurs with Nick.
Martin Casillas, Kamstrup: Recommends contacting the Water Research Foundation/Utah State
who does this type of testing for research.
AMI Technology & Staffing. How do you plan your growth with the emerging technology?
(Kellie Eng, Sacramento County Water Agency) Michele will email this question out to the
full email list to get more data.
Jon Conover, City of Sacramento: Sacramento currently has 120,000 AMI endpoints installed,
15,000-20,000 to complete. During this process, they are moving staff from old work (meter
reading) and using them spot check the new installations and confirm the reads. The meter shop
has ~15 staff with 2 dedicated to trouble shooting. There is plenty of work for staff. Positions
were not eliminated, but added. Recommend checking your job descriptions to make sure they
cover the new/shift in duties.
Todd Artrip, Sacramento Suburban Water District: Sac Suburban has a mixed system of AMR
(aka drive by) installed in the 1990s, legacy AMI installed in 2010, and are currently teplacing
both systems with cellular-based AMI. The staff that used to drive and read meters are now
going behind and replacing the legacy system that is no longer active. Also, be aware that the
CA Water Resources Board D3 Certification is affected by how the staff’s time is spent. We
can’t award distribution credit for any time performing meter repairs in the shop, but WE CAN
give credit for meter repair done in the field. It has to do with the direct hands-on interaction
with the distribution system. Contact Todd (Vice Chair) if you’d like to get a copy of the email
he received from the water resources board.
Michele Harvey, Chair: As a vendor, we recommend that you visit each meter at last every three
years to make sure you can find it and that everything is in good condition.
Gary Lee, Aclara: Deployment of AMI usually results in the reorganization of staff, not the
reduction of staff. After AMI, tasks are more customer service oriented; for example, addressing
continuous consumption (aka leaks).
How are utilities protecting their AMI broadcast frequencies? (Scott Twilla, Gold State
Water)
Michele Harvey, Chair: Some solutions use a frequency that is licensed via the FCC, while some
have a frequency-hopping algorithm using a frequency band regulated by the FCC.
AMI – Who has installed? Any dual water/electric systems? (Javier Romero, LADWP)
Michele will email this question out to the full email list to get more data.
Jeff Beckett, Burbank Power and Water: Burbank is using Itron for water and power.
Kevin Lewis, San Francisco Water: SFW has an Aclara water AMI system with 180,000
endpoints. The power side of the business plans to join in the system.
Door Tagging. Is anyone doing this? Potential Issues? (Christopher Tapia, City of
Oceanside)
When asked if they are using door tagging, a large number of utilities in attendance raised their
hand. Some of the potential issues has to do with animals and the elements.
Chris Freels, Soquel Creek Water District: SCWD leaves a lot of door hangers for continuous
consumption (aka leak) notification, but watch out for political issues. Chris found that it’s really
important to have good communication between the billing and field departments. There’s lots of
things that field staff see that billing doesn’t and it really helps to let them know what the reasons
that a customer might have had high usage so they can relay that info to the customer if they call
and inquire why they had a high bill.
Michele Harvey, Chair: At the NAWC conference, a representative from San Jose Water
Company talked about making the decision to use door tags to notify customers of impending
service shut off. The program was successful. 90% of the customers receiving the door tags paid
their bill before the deadline, eliminating 90% of the truck rolls.
Terry Fong, City of Napa: – One instance of hanging a door tag resulted in someone reporting a
house break in to the police. The employee was in a city vehicle. Their door hangers give 48
notice to service shut off. They record the time of the notice, so that can be tracked back to the
trucks which are tracked via GPS on their fleet software.
Mark Dubose, Orange Vale Water Company: OVWC has been using door hangers for over 100
years. After a number of customers said that they didn’t get their 48 hour notice of shut off door
tags, they started putting relevant notes on the copies of their tags (color of door, anything
specific about the drop off). If the customer calls later, they can read back the detail to prove they
were on site. Pictures would also be useful.
Brady Chambers, Citrus Heights Water District: CHWD takes pictures with what they wrote on
the door tag.
Sean O’Reilly, Alameda County Water District: ACWD uses the free “Timestamp Camera”
smartphone app. It takes a picture and automatically records, the date/time and has a custom field
for adding ntoes.
Todd Artrip, Sacramento Suburban Water: Sac Suburban uses FedEx to send the 48-hour
notices to the customer. The cost is added to the customer’s water bill. FedEx provides the
delivery date/time.
SB-998 Discontinuation of Residential Water Service. (Christopher Tapia, City of
Oceanside)
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB998
Michele (Chair) will coordinate with Sue Mossburg about SB-998.
Tracking Hydrant Meters via GPS (Rick Small, City of Riverside)
Jon Conover, City of Sacramento:. They have two installations. One is on a water truck. The
other is via permit and is based on the design used by Sacramento Suburban. The hydrant meter
has a cellular AMI endpoint with a protective cover, but no GPS. The protective cover is made
by Placer Water Works. A check valve is added to prevent registration by air passing through the
meter while in transit between sites (carried in truck bed). Site-specific meters will include a
back-flow device and a cellular end point. They are installed and removed by internal staff. The
cross connection group certifies that there is an air gap and no possibilities of cross
contamination while hooking up into the hydrant.
Jon Conover, City of Sacramento: A vendor showed Sacramento a demo that they liked of a
hydrant meter. The meter included a register with integrated AMI radio and an external GPS
device.
Martin Casillas, Kamstrup: Question to Jon Conover, “With all that on the meter are you
afraid of vandalism and theft?”
Jon Conover, City of Sacramento: Contractors pay for stolen or vandalized meters. When
it is site-specific it is locked down, the contractors pay a 1.5x cost on anything that is
associated with it. If it is something out of the contractor’s hands, Sacramento just repair
it.
Oni Brown, City of Vallejo: – Vallejo just started using mobile hydrant meters and found when
they are thrown in the back of the truck, airflow through the meter can cause negative
consumption. So, they are using 2.5” caps to cover the meter ends to eliminate this issue. They
would like some kind GPS units that can be locked down to avoid tampering.
Todd Artrip, Sacramento Suburban Water: Sac Suburban do not lock our hydrant meters on to
anything. The contractors submit and electronic permit the get from their website and pay a
$2300 equipment deposit and $50 permit fee. The permit mut be resubmitted every 3 months
which forces Sac Suburban to check usage reported by the cellular unit. If there hasn’t been any
usage, they contact the contractor to see if they want renew or return the meter. They test their
hydrant meter/backflow device annually.
Oni Brown, City of Vallejo: Question to Todd Artirp, “Even if the customer doesn’t use
any water, do still require them to bring meter in?”
Todd Artrip, Sacramento Suburban Water: Sac Suburban absolutely wants the meter
brought in, because they need to test the back flow annually.
Michele Harvey, Badger Meter: A utility in the Seattle area is using cellular AMI and an
external GPS device to track usage and location of their hydrant meters. The utility uses GPS to
track many of their assets, so they are using the same system for the hydrant meters. Contact
Michele if you’d like more details on the GPS product.
Michele Harvey, Chair: The cellular endpoints technology currently does not include/provide
GPS location data, but could in future designs.
VIII. Topics for Next Meeting
Ultrasonic & Mag Meter Applications and Performance (Sergio Barragan, LADWP)
SB-998 Discontinuation of Residential Water Service (Christopher Tapia, City of Oceanside)
Meeting Adjourned 1:58 pm by Michele Harvey / Chair
Potential CEU Topics
The importance of large meter testing and tracking (presented Winter 2018)
Meter mechanical / no moving parts
Meter installation
Backflow record keeping / testing / make and models
Reading old & new meter register components
Load rating for meter boxes and other information
Ultrasonic vs. Mechanical
Customer engagement for AMI, AMR & Cellular
Water audit ideas, methods and how in depth
Developing benchmarks for time and or use to develop calibration programs for utility meters
Ultrasonic vs. Mag Meters
Developing a calibration program for single unit meters
Water Loss Calculation
Stainless vs Bronze
Undersize Meters ¾”
Vintage of Meters Being Tested
Cost of testing small ¾” meters
Proper Testing Procedures for Large Production / Master Meters.
Decision Making Process & Analysis of Test Results for Meter Replacement Programs (Business Case)
How to Effectively manage a new meter & AMI Installation Program
Cross Connections / Backflow Tech.
New Tech in Re-Purpose / Reclaimed Water
AMI systems. How they work? What is required (District Assets, Height Restrictions) Different Types
Effects of Chloramines on plastic body meters and static meter sensors
Installation methods for plastic flow-tube state meters in CA
Life Expectancy lanning fort the Distribution System
Review & Compare all AWWA Meter Standards for revenue meters. i.e C700, C708, C710, C715, etc.
How do you use these Standards & supporting documents such as M6.
Using portable meter testers
Rural Water Systems Challenges. Mixed meter configurations
New Ideas from previous Meeting
Meter Testing Data (what to do with it) – Dan / Helix
Attendees Note: Attendees that signed in are on list
Alcantar, Oscar City of Vallejo
Arnold, Jacob Soquel Creek Water District
Artrip, Todd Sacramento Suburban Water
Avenarius, Todd GSFM, Inc
Baptista, Tamara City of Pleasanton
Barela, Tony San Juan Water District
Barnes, Kevin Ferguson Waterworks, Meters & Automation
Beams, Jerald Sacramento Suburban Water
Beckett, Jeff Burbank Water & Power
Bennett, Christian Sacramento County Water Agency
Blake, Scott Sacramento Suburban Water
Bortoletto, Mike Ferguson Utility Solutions
Brown, Oni City of Vallejo
Bryant, Collin R & B Company
Campbell, Kolby The Ford Meter Box Co, Inc
Casillas, Martin Kamstrup
Cater, Matthew Orange Vale Water Company
Chambers, Brady Citrus Heights Water District
Chester, Derek Core and Main
Clark, Tom San Juan Water District
Collins, Tim City of Lincoln
Conover, Jon City of Sacramento
Cornejo, Kevin Mueller Systems
Cox, Jeremy City of Woodland
Drake, Kelly Citrus Heights Water District
Dubose, Mark Orange Vale Water Company
Eckard, Michelle Carollo Engineers, Inc.
Egger, Ben Alameda County Water District
Eisenberg, Daniel Suez AS
Eng, Kellie Sacramento County Water Agency
Ferrell, Shelley Kamstrup
Foley, Eric Badger Meter
Fong, T City of Napa
Freels, Chris Soquel Creek Water District
Gagnon, Joshua Sacramento Suburban Water
Gallon, Ron Zenner USA
Garcia, Oscar Cal-AM Water
Garner, Steven CA-NV Section AWWA
Harvey, Michele Badger Meter
Hassell, David City of Napa
Helphand, Brian Badger Meter
Hopes, Guy Sierra West Consultants
Huizenga, Bob Burbank Water & Power
Hurst, Ken City of Napa
Jensen, Brian Coreandmain
Jividen, Kyle Sacramento Suburban Water
Kamiyama, Steve Aqua Metric
LaJeunesse, Dave Aclara
Lambros, Chris Coreandmain
Land, Greg Master Meter
Lansen, Adam San Juan Water District
Lee, Gary Aclara
Leles, Nick San Jose Water
Lewis, Kevin San Francisco Public Utilities Commission
Martello, John Ferguson Water Works
Meurer, Rex Citrus Heights Water District
Middlestead, Rachel Sacramento Suburban Water
O'Reilly, Sean Alameda County Water District
Owens, Matt West Monroe Partners
Palomar, Raul Sacramento Suburban Water
Pickens, Steve Bakman Water Co.
Ramirez, Abel Sacramento Suburban Water
Randolph, Jeff Aqua-Metric Sales
Ray, Sean Bakman Water Co.
Relyea, Richard MC Engineering
Reyes, Tyler Sacramento County Water Agency
Rozumowvgz, Richard Area West
Sampler, John San Francisco Public Utilities Commission
Simpson, Mike M.E. Simpson Co. Inc.
Smith, Carlos Sacramento County Water Agency
Smith, Graham City of Modesto
Stevens, Craig City of Sacramento
Taylor, Josh Sacramento Suburban Water
Terry, Jimmy Badger Meter
Thomson, Ross Diehl Metering US
Tran, Anh San Jose Water Company
Twilla, Sean Golden State Water Co.
Van Dusen, Darren San Juan Water District
Wallenstein, David East Bay MUD
Williams, Forest Sacramento County Water Agency
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